>>737940480
if they really do this to chrono trigger it's genuinely an affront to god

>>737940480
The novelty really wore off after octo1

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>>737940480
Well the new DQVII remaster didn't do this, to my surprise. Still not a huge fan of its kinda generic 3D look and it makes some characters uglier.

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>>737940559
Imo that chibi NDS look would be perfect but I guess it ironically looks better on weaker hardware and would look too clean on new consoles and PC? Dunno.

>>737940480
Sukoden looks fully 2D but it's the ugliest on there. Maybe artists just suck today?

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>>737940804
Suikoden just always looked kind of ugly

>>737940480
I like SO2 a lot but you're right. mixing pixelshit resolutions should never have been a thing, also what's with the blur everywhere?

Whatever. Theres a million other games to play. The originals still exist. Play how you want. Or dont. I dont care.

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>>737940480
>Pixel art, painted 2D and pre-rendered bgs can look so amazing today
I hate indie slop for the most part they some indie games show how it's done.

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>>737940804
The new games do this dumb "sprites sticking out like a sore thumb" as well though and the backgrounds look very cheap

>>737941268
AI sloppa

>>737940480
I don't remember a 2D sprite in a 3D world being 2.5D. 2.5D would be a side scroller using 3D models

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>>737941268
>"sprites sticking out like a sore thumb"
i really don't understand why all the games do this now. we used to make games like bof 4 which literally uses THREE DEE ENVIRONMENTS but the 2d characters still blend with it perfectly and it looks cohesive

Reminds me of all the indie games now doing paper characters, apparently not getting that when Paper Mario did it it's because the whole world is made of paper.

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>>737940480
I like them
If you want original 8bit graphics then just play the originals, retard.

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>>737940969
i always loved what the woods looked like

>>737941209
>>737941418
>stop being critical and wanting things to be better
feet first into a woodchipper with you bugmen

>>737940515
This is exactly what will happen and """people""" will slop it up.

>>737940621
soul
and why do we need games to constantly use all of your specs? we should accept games that work on weaker hardware.

>>737941517
They do look better tho
You won't be happy with anything but original graphics
So play the originals
nigger

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>>737940480
The Star Ocean one is okayish and gives me PSP nostalgia, but yeah I'd still recommend the original to any new player.

imagine trying to impress someone with this pixel shit when metal slug exists

>>737941618
>They do look better tho
no they look like dog shit as this thread shows. they are openly hostile to each game's original vision, they have no atmosphere, look incohesive and just like some self-referential boomer nostalgia trip. and if you think they are so awesome why not take your own advice and ignore threads you don't disagree with and pick one of the many threads that glaze them

>>737941632
Problem is that even when the graphics aren't awful there is always subtle or not so subtle censorship. SO2 is a good example changing the whole religion aspect and the Christian church even with a village designed around it. It's always cringe and like spit in your soup

>>737941903
to be fair they've been doing this shit for 20 years already

>>737941615
Honestly good point. Sadly most normies are graphics whores.

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>>737940621
This is what a CT remake should be like, full Toriyama style early cel shading

>>737940480
It looks fine. Stop being a bitchbaby about it.

>>737941568
>>737940515
CT doesn't even look good.

>>737942135
>looks fine
>double check jpg in OP
No.

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>>737941360
BOF3 and 4 were literally perfect for sprite art during the PS1 era. Love those games.

>>737942180
Yes, it looks fine. You just want to complain about something that doesn't affect you at all whatsoever, and not to mention you still have free access to emulate the originals if you really wanted to.

>>737942272
It affects me because I would like a good remake instead of a shitty one. Stop retardposting and simping for billion-dollar companies like a subhuman.

>>737942323
Then make your own instead of crying anonymously on here. Such an unproductive waste of time this is for you. Troons passionately make romhacks and fantranslations yet here you are just crying over something you have exactly zero control over. Be the change you want to see.

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>>737942143
All the more reason to not just make it a shitty DQIII style "HD 2D" remake which means reusing its in your opinion ugly sprites, as demanded by normie grifters. The SNES version of DQIII itself was an amazing pixel remaster

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>>737942420
>just make your own AAA game
>stop criticizing billion-dollar company
Jesus Christ eat your cancer supermarket food and die already

>>737942135
This.

>>737942434
I'm tired of shit looking like Dragon Ball. Everything is fucking Dragon Ball. I came to hate the style and seeing people praise it makes me rage.

>>737941346
AI could make better remakes desu

>>737942480
The day you can make a coherent argument instead of crying senselessly without the need to include ad-homs or memetics is the day you'll truly be a man. Today is not that day.

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I don’t understand how people think it looks ugly or cheap.

>>737942434
>autism capital with lgbt colors
That's the audience, huh?

>>737942530
It's 2026 and you think "stop criticizing the movie and just make your own" is a good argument, you are by all means a subhuman ruining the internet for everyone

>>737940480
The super Mario rpg remake was the perfect way to modernize chunky sprites to 3d models. I like it quite a lot, it's a shame that 2.5d is the generic go to for most

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It doesn't work for every game but when used right it looks great. Genuinely don't understand the hate.

>>737942542
It really depends on the game
>low poly and pixelated models with modern lighting (octopath)
kino
>everything is realistic but characters are pixelshit (star ocean r)
cheap and ugly
DQ kinda falls in the middle

>>737942518
It looking like dragon ball was a selling point the same as dragon quest

>>737942583
It actually is a sound argument since nobody is forcing you to interact with this medium.
>u r subhooman for ruining net for evry1!!!
Foid behavior.

>>737942617
It's forced hate

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>>737942542
because you are cherrypicking the best looking one which still looks retarded most of the time with standard 3d environments clashing with blown up exaggerated sprites and 10 layers of bloom. that's ok for an ugly nes game like dq2 but a timeless classic like star ocean 2, chrono trigger, ff6 or dragon quest 5 would definitely deserve better than this

it's easy to make slop and you can tell

>>737942542
The fucking blur/depth of field. Can't see shit.

Nobody who has ever used the word "slop" in a sentence ever had anything of value to say, ever.

>>737942687
Yes 40 years ago, before 50 Dragon Quest games and the rest, and now it's shit. Low quality, low effort.

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I sunk so many hours into this old ass game it's unreal. Does this count as 2.5D? At the time I thought it looked great.

>>737942698
>It actually is a sound argument
If you want to shout from the rooftops that you are mentally 12 and not a serious person, yes
>what the fuuuuck, stop having standards, just make your own car if you don't like it
Discourse poison and a self-selecting tell of dumb thinking. Not surprising that you love this lazy slop

>>737942903
Take away the characters and it's really just some random 3D mobile game.

>>737943010
I guess I think weapons, monsters, buildings, environments, robots, cars, magic all look really appealing on the toriyama art style.
My only real issue with his art was always the humans, his art makes it really hard to make them stand apart from each other.
Like that joke image of
LEAKED DQ12 protag and it's just gohans face

>>737943101
See >>737942957

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>>737943085
>Does this count as 2.5D?
Technically but 2.5D isn't even the real problem, picrel is partially 2.5D but it's beautiful because it's drawn and lit in a way that it looks cohesive while these new pixel remakes for some reason want sprites to stick out like a sore thumb (overcompensation for how lazy the method is I guess).

>>737943054
It’s a good looking 3D game actually. That scene has great use of color and lighting. Blows the shit out of the entirely 3D DQ5 remake.

Ideally SE would just give an option for 3D characters for the people who don’t like the clashing art.

>>737943295
No one who isn't a zero-standards slop gobbler ever complained about calling garbage products slop and there is a reason why tranny jannies filtered goyslop almost immediately

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No, low effort, low resolution, purposefully low animated pixel art is ugly as fuck.

>>737943427
See >>737942957

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>>737942143
>CT doesn't even look good
?

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>>737940621
I just want this or PS2 era graphics back man. Honestly looks like good PS2 era graphics are the hardest to make because you need good art and very creative and resource intensive texture work and shit. All indie games do is PS1/N64 crap and all these remakes do is take pixels and drown it in new graphics effects

I'm playing Star Ocean 2 Second Story R for the first time (I played the first remake/remaster or whatever) and the 4th game and watched my friend play the 3rd. This series is a proper mid tier series but I really do not understand why people hype up the second one as the best game in the series. It really doesn't stand out in any unique way and there isn't a whole lot to the game. I like HD2D when done right like Octopath Traveler does but it looks off in this game.

>>737940480
These threads make me mad and I don’t even play these games. Retro JRPG fans are autistic.

>>737943578
it's a shill, they always shit on source material to elevate new thing

>>737943248
Nah, everything is bad. The monsters look like plastic toys. When I think of Toriyama's art style in games, I think of a generic game. It works as a novelty but it's been fucking 40 years now. Enough is enough.
Eguchi was always the better artist. There, I said it.

>>737943593
i miss real life photo backdrops, always an instant atmosphere boost. also games looked cloudy and comfy before dynamic lighting

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I like the HD-2D style

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>>737942617
Everything that doesn't look like picrel is ugly.
Fuck lighting.
Fuck shadows.
Fuck post processing.
Fuck shaders.
High resolution and crisp textures are all that matters.

>>737943593
Games could have stopped graphically at that PS2/3 era and I'd be happy so long as they dedicated more time to the story/gameplay etc. It's called a video game for a reason, when they facial capture/model people etc it's just so fucking boring.

>>737940621
its a great look on a handheld with a small screen. but for a home console i think dq10 looks best.

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Soul

>>737943830
>crystal chronicles
the middest of mid

>>737942518
Chrono Trigger's original art was by Toriyama.

>>737943830
lookin' good

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>>737943725
based and same

>>737943830
The perfect universe for an MMO. Square made a huge mistake not making this the focus of their MMO world. They literally designed everything to meet an MMO worldbuild and threw it away.

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>>737943895
It looks and sounds good which is the point. And it's actually fun in co-op
>>737943950
Samefagging to shit on FFCC? Did its developer rape your mom?

>>737943830
kino
>>737943987
vomit

>>737943987
Couldn't have chosen a worse screenshot. Looks like those LotR Lego games.

>>737943987
Beautiful masterpiece

In 10 years, alphies will be praising how good HD-2D looks whilst shitting on the next trend.

>>737943987
everything bad about video game graphics in one image
>pixels (yes pixels suck and were born out of hardware limitaiton)
>over-saturated hdr
>bloom
>tone Mapping
>heavy dof
>motion blor (see the attack)
>specular highlights making everything look even sharper and jaggier
>clipping everywhere
>the most generic plastic props
impressive

>>737944386
You don't know what any of those mean.

>>737944429
nice projection. which one confuses you, i will explain it for you with an example from the image. tone mapping? too bright and dark and midtones look cheap. classic post 7th gen thing

>>737944386
>>pixels (yes pixels suck and were born out of hardware limitaiton)
Bro you don't tip your hand immediately, at least save it for the fifth point.

>>737944637
just a harmless fact, ask the AI of your choice. it's weird to me how much they still force ugly pixely sprites today

>fucked up grammar

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>>737943807
We peaked like 15 years ago and then something weird happened and it became acceptable to release the ugliest low effort shit.

>>737944754
>and then something weird happened
Part of it is indie games lowering the bar for standards and expectations

>>737944832
Also the talent of developers back then were not passed on to the next generation, so they got even lazier.

>>737944689
I savored the tears over Belmont's Curse looking the way it does. 100 times better than any muh pixel shart crap

there's nothing wrong with HD2D graphics

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>>737940480
I'm just glad the general opinion on it seems to be souring finally, I remember when octopath first came out /v/ was defending the style to death

>>737944994
t. spreadsheet monkey/coffee maker at square enix or retard who already spent 500 bucks on these turds

>>737945171
The mentally ill impulsiveness of (you) needing to attack me with ad-homs only cements how correct I am.

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What even started this dumb trend? Was it this?

>>737945089
It's fine as a novelty but it's just overdone at this point and DQ7R has shown people that even the most bare-bones full 3D remake is more compelling.

>>737945089
There has never been anything but derision for this style with small pockets of "I like it so it's fine." on /v/.

>>737945450
That isn't even remotely the same as HD2D. Not even close. That game is top tier btw, of course it was FROM Software yet again making something unique that was great at the time. Wish it was ported to PC, sad to see it stuck on PS3. Would happily buy it again.

>>737945514
the 3ds remake should've demonstrated that already

>>737945550
>There has never been anything but derision for this style
Complete and total lie this board was huffing octopath's shit and dreaming up remakes that could use the style the moment that it came out
>>737945450
Literally octopath it was the first to use the hd2d thing as a marketing tactic, 3d dot game heroes was never that popular and is just a voxel game with a shit lens effect added (it's also not even that visible in the game the screenshot you posted it extra zoomed in at a normal distance it was only at the edges of the screen)

>>737945639
>Not even close.
>a blend of pixels and 3D with bloom and DoF all over the place
>literally made by a tech demo company
Dunno seems close

>>737943943
Yes, what's your point?

>>737945897
Ah just a stealth FROM hate post, got it. Nevermind, carry on with the seethe.

>>737941360
>bof 4
It does look incredible but sadly the game itself never clicked with me. Random encounters, mute protag, character design that looks very fighting game-ish, awful camera in villages, the slow start...

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>>737946265
What do you even mean? Afaik From only published it and when I want to shit on SlopSoftware trust me I'm not hiding it

>>737945639
>sad to see it stuck on PS3.
ps3 emulation is good these days

>>737944902
Talent can’t be passed on. But it’s more that companies don’t want to pay more (or even the same) to retain certain artistic standards in their product nowadays. Better artistic direction doesn’t always translate to bigger profits after all.

>>737942903
I pray every day that they at least leave DQV alone. Maybe they will because there's already like 2 remakes of it which may not be great but at least better than this.

>>737940515
I want this so bad for the fake outrage

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2d goes with 2d, 3d goes with 3d

>>737943734
this post reeks of attwhorism and zero defence

>>737946843
They will do it and I'm all for it!

If this shit was done in 6th/7th gen more often you'd lap it up like crazy, /v/.

>>737940515
Chrono Trigger fans deserve it.

>>737946843
>fake
Are you a flatearther or something? Sometimes people genuinely just dislike something. And I'm actually sure they won't give it the 2.5D treatment because they know CT deserves better. Personally I'm not touching any remake because they always censor shit or fuck something up.

>>737940969
Suikoden 1 was ugly. It had maps that were basically just babby's first rpg maker project.
Suikoden 2 is much better.

The issue with Suikoden remaster is there's a complete disparity between the backgrounds and the sprites. They're already not properly scaled but the backgrounds make things even worse.

>>737943159
are you out of your fucking mind?

>>737940480
>the fucking psp grass in star ocean

>>737945639
>game is top tier btw
absolutely not
being able to create your own characters was fun though
the dungeon design was pure garbage
some effects killed performance
some bosses were clearly not playtested
it's a gag game that you're intended to play for a few hours and then pretend was the best game ever, which I can see you likely did

>What I'm used to as a kid
GOOD
>What I'm not used to
BAD

>>737940480
Id rather they go back to fixed perspective backgrounds with 3d models on top

>>737940480
Suikoden isn't even "HD pixel," you goofball. See, you can't even tell but you still get mad.

I like how Falcom 2D/3D games look (Trails in the sky/Ys Origin/OiF/VI) and Recettear

So if I go along with the status quo ITT and get mad at everyone who tells me I'm wrong it automatically makes me an expert? Old good; new bad!

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it alright

>>737947632
/thread

>>737942434
I don't even hate 2D HD but this legit looks like shit and the worst case scenario. I hate Twatter so much.

I think it looks great
/thread

It can work when done well. worst examples of the style have too much visual clutter and obnoxious bloom/blur

>>737940559
I respect the hell out of this. The original game couldn't fully capture the art style of the concept art so they had to work with what they had. That can produce great looking games but it was done working around heavy restraints that only existed because of the technology of the time. This is one of the only remakes that actually attempts to bring the original designer's art to life instead of just trying to make a prettier version of what they had to work with in the past.

I really want to ask an artist that was working then and is still in the industry. I can't imagine they would say, "If I had better technology at the time, I would have done the same exact work".

Basically I hate people that think videogame art should arbitrarily conform to certain things like muh pixels just because they've been used for so long. It treats games like toys and not serious attempts to convey things on a screen, even if those things are cartoony. It's like imagine a past where artists could only paint tiny dots one by one. Then someone handed them a proper brush and they just kept making dots to create pictures instead of brush strokes not even because they thought it would make great art, but just because it's what people expected artists to do. You're free now bro go wild show me something new fuck

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HD-2D is okay but I like this style of games that we got on the PS2 the best.