The three games she chooses as examples (Waco Resurrection, Braid, Flower) do not raise my hopes for a video game that will deserve my attention long enough to play it. They are, I regret to say, pathetic. I repeat: “No one in or out of the field has ever been able to cite a game worthy of comparison with the great poets, filmmakers, novelists and poets.”Why are gamers so intensely concerned, anyway, that games be defined as art? Bobby Fischer, Michael Jordan and Dick Butkus never said they thought their games were an art form. Nor did Shi Hua Chen, winner of the $500,000 World Series of Mah Jong in 2009. Why aren’t gamers content to play their games and simply enjoy themselves? They have my blessing, not that they care. Do they require validation? In defending their gaming against parents, spouses, children, partners, co-workers or other critics, do they want to be able to look up from the screen and explain, “I’m studying a great form of art?” Then let them say it, if it makes them happy.I allow Sangtiago the last word. Toward the end of her presentation, she shows a visual with six circles, which represent, I gather, the components now forming for her brave new world of video games as art. The circles are labeled: Development, Finance, Publishing, Marketing, Education, and Executive Management. I rest my case.
>>737941156If movies are an art form despite being largely about showing tits and explosions with some talky stuff in between then so are games. Not every game needs to be art for the medium to qualify.
>>737941292>believes Paper Boy is equivalent to Bicycle Thieves
the writeconcious of gaming
>>737941156Bump
...You rest your case?
Neither kojima, kamiya, mikami or miyazaki believe games to be art. So why should I?
>>737941156Games are art. Art trannies who engage with the medium to get hard inside theirown rectom are not correct
>>737941156>Video Game art NOT artExcept Project Nortubel
I would rather talk with this dude than the boring faggots that inhabit /v/ to be honest
>>737943317great art you got there
>>737943554Modern casinos are the epitome of soullessness.
bye
/v/'s corpo worshippers keep making this dude out to be some kind of insane toxic autist but he's much more chill than the average video game seether on here or reddxtter
literally who
Plenty of games have unique and expressive styles that stand the test of timePlenty more are just corporate garbage to make a quick buck in the momentYou can easily see the difference, for example mouse pi is corporate garbage and something like fuga is a passion project for the developer irrespective of potential profits.
>>737941292fpbp
>>737949014BogHog's mouthpiece. He's alright.
Why are you putting Eberts words on that dude's mouth? I know he thinks vidya is art, I watched his DeS demake vid, what is this jewry?
>>737950474'hog in the 'log
Doesn't anyone in here even play shmups or is it just seething character action monkeys
>>737941156>The three games she chooses as examples (Waco Resurrection, Braid, Flower) do not raise my hopes for a video game that will deserve my attention long enough to play it.So you decided to play more "art" games, but there weren't enough tits and explosions to hold your attention?Skill issue, you are vidya illiterate
>>737951339i tired a few, they suck unless they have goon elements like wings of seduction.there was one decent one with heavy focus on rogue like elements. but i forget what it was called.
>>737950474If I hear one more mention of BogHog I am going to lose it.
>>737951512I heavily suspect this post isn't even ironic
>>737941156I didn't read that shit, but the only people who care if video games are art or not are gen Xers whose parents yelled at them for wasting their time playing video games instead of doing homework or sitting around and watching TV with the family.
>>737951512Star of Providence? Previously know as Monolith.
You ever get that feeling when you're working on 1cc'ing a shmup and you feel a bit of unease over booting up the game for the first time if the day, like what if I don't get better today, what if I play worse? That's the good shit, it's hard to make a single player game like that. I think there are a lot of people who can't deal with that sort of thing, but it's part of what makes me want to play them for hours at a time.
>>737951768>working >on 1cc'ing1ccs are not workif you want a real challenge try learning an actual skill like programming or art
>>737952832Work is any effort expended to complete a task. If a task is performed recreationally it is play. Therefore games can be both work and play, and are often better for it. Additionally, creating things isn't inherently commendable. Like if you design a shmup meant to be played with analogue controls, the world would have likely been a better place if you had just focused on getting that 1cc.
>>737953291>a shmup meant to be played with analogue controlsWhat are rail shooters?
>>737954487Slop for babies?
>>737954627What are video games?
>>737941156Being "art" is not an honor. A statuette of Jesus in a jar of piss is "art".Art is any form of communication of subjective/emotional content. I don't care what other people think, because most other people don't even try to have a solid definition of "art", they're happy to let it be a vaguely defined cloud of stuff they poke through manually every time they try to determine whether something is art.
>>737941156mork
>>737951745nah it was a smaller indie game where you select pilots that have modifiers. it auto scrolls from bottom to top.
>>737952832Based and real take from Boghog.Faggots feel obligated to hunt for pointless 1CCs and achievements for games they don't even like. It's mentally ill behavior. The fact is, if a game isn't fun enough to make an average person WANT to get good at it, then it's the game's fault. It's never the player's. This is especially true when life offers so many more gratifying skills you could be getting good at instead (which are also far harder). Difficult video games are basically competing for your attention with every hobby ever, and it's their job to convince you they're worth investing your precious time into.
holy fuck. this thread made me realise that gamers don't care about art
>>737957979Nobody born after 1990 care about art,
>>737957979Gamers care about SLUDGE.>inertia when moving>walky talky sections>long cinematics>radio chatter from NPCs>endless collectables>parry mechanic in 100% of games
>>737960103Oh hi Mark.
>>737943285Maybe ask an actual good dev
>>737949535>passion project for the developer irrespective of potential profitsthey have passion indeed, but for what
Videogames can be art, but not every videogame is art.Just like Crime and Punishment is art and porn novels you read at night aren't
>>737961926>Crime and Punishment is artlmao
>>737941156Any definition of art that doesn't use circular logic is going to also include videogames no matter how hard you try to exclude them, this is why the true question is "are they considered art yet?" (spoiler: no, it will take at least 30 years or so for that to be the case for the majority of people) rather than "are they art?">>737943554By that logic books aren't art because some are used to brainwash people into cults, movies aren't art because some of them are little more than an excuse for product placement, music isn't art because corporate jingles are a thing and so on.
>>737961926Sin and Punishment > Crime and Punishmentyou cant even 1CC a book, nerd
