>>737943152
Replace the spray with napalm.

ass

Report them for homophilia until they get banned

>>737943152
misleading thumbnail

>>737943152
Dedicated servers.
Support for large playercounts, not this eternal 5v5 6v6 nonsense that caters to consoles and shit corporate servers.
Actual drop-in drop-out gameplay, not 20-45 minute autism fests so that you can cram gear progression into a single multiplayer match.
No matchmaking or similar system and no sunk cost ranking system that doesn't do anything anyway.

This was already solved, it was simply unsolved due to engagement-oriented, cash-shop focused matchmaking slop.

>>737943152
Private servers

>>737943152
>implying I'm not both at the same time

By killing casuals.

"people that play for fun" are nearly always people that just hate other people winning

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>>737943152
your pic makes it look like the guy on the right is having fun and the one on the left is suffering. so if the people that play for fun really want to have fun, they should be like the toxic overcompetitive players, according to your own pic

>>737943152
>"people" that play for fun
They just want free wins without trying
Fags

>>737943152
Stay in your unranked safe space you little nigger.
For fun players that queue ranked deserve to be bullied.

>>737943152
I have no idea. I thought ranked vs casual modes would solve it but they even exist in casual mode. Like why do you even care if you lose in casual if it wasn't your fault? It's not like it affects anything.

>>737943686
>>737944437
That's not true. It's because we know it's just a game so a little bit of fucking around is fine. You can be the best player that ever played but once the servers shut down, you're just a nobody. Why take any game so autistically serious?

>>737943152
be more toxic

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why don't you have a team if you're a supra-competitive nigger
why don't you play RTS/FGs if teammates only pull you down
Woops, sorry, I killed you guys larp sesh. Carry on

>>737945632
You can apply this crappy logic to life, too
When you die, you're just bones, so who cares? Why take it so seriously?

>>737945850
Not really since you can affect things even once you're gone. Having children is your pathway to immortality. Once the servers shut off you're just some loser who wasted the best years of his life getting really good at something pointless.

>>737943152
Everytime I see something like this my first assumption is someone picks up a competitive game and wants to ruin a match for everyone else because they don't want to get ego checked.

>>737945967
That's weird because my first assumption is it's about fags who play casual but still expect their teammates to play perfectly and will constantly deride them for every mistake despite making plenty of their own.

>>737945850
>reductio ad nihilum to justify pouring your heart into a moneyless hobby that nobody will ever take seriously
maybe the casuals are on to something, maybe rankedfags are ill

>>737945941
This assumes a whole lot
>the skills won't carry over to another game
>you have to be good at something that "has a point"
>people who are really good at something are "wasting their lives" on it

>>737943396
How would dedicated server work when toxic comp fags goes onto raiding spree

>>737943152
Dedicated servers and server browser. You can't really fix the problem with automated matchmaking, there's too many variables. Give players the tools to craft their own spaces and find other likeminded players and it'll work out eventually.

>>737946260
>You don't understand. Maybe it will make you better at something equally as pointless!

>>737946187
>it's an argument when he does it
>it's a fallacy when I apply it to something else
I think you're just mad that people are better than you at something

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its simple, we kill the toxic comp players

>>737943152
play unranked
and if someone gets buttmad in unranked remind them its unranked

>>737946284
vote2kick or just deal with it. They will go away. Or find another server to screw around on for a bit. Or get good.

>>737946353
Because it doesn't apply to life, you fucking nolife retard. You can actually affect the world in real life. You aren't affecting anything when you waste 20,000 hours playing a pointless game. Every game shuts down at some point. What will happen to you then? Suicide is the obvious choice.

>>737946187
Reducto ad nihilum doesn’t mean what you think it means

>>737943152
Grief the entire community by cheating.

>>737946353
Not that anon but being good at videogames is like being good at jacking off. It's ok and it feels good but its kinda useless.

>>737946523
maor like rectum ad nilanalum lamo

>>737946651
At least jacking off won't come to an abrupt halt making you question your life and choices.

>>737946047
If someones sperging out in a casual mode or unranked they're retarded.
I don't play those but I see plenty of people going
>lol dude it's just a game
as they ruin the experience for everyone involved in actual ranked matches.

>>737946260
95% of pro players are childless ungroomed unfit out of shape dudes despite money.
Rankedboars are the same except no money which is even sadder
>>people who are really good at something are "wasting their lives" on it
Most rankedggers aren't even good by pro standards and live completely unfulfilled lives and their hobby of choice doesn't even fulfill them.
You can deride fulfillment and acknowledgement from other hobbies like music, visual arts etc despite never making it close to the top 0,1%
You will never ever ever ever have the same feeling wasting away on dota 2 or LoL or CS, and thats why you see people trying to recreate that feeling by pointing out their ranks to exactly 0 (you)s, ain't that sad?
You can call me a niggerfagcasual whatever but you can't call me wrong

>>737946745
I wouldn't know, I don't play ranked. I just know in casual there are so many people that take it too seriously. They also play like ass but pretend like they're better than everyone else. I suspect many are indian.

>>737945358
This is true until you play a game like team fortress 2 which only has casual mode or when overcompetitive players play casual for the sole purpose of pubstomping

>>737946284
Uhm, like, just kick them? Are you retarded?

>>737946901
>overcompetitive players play casual for the sole purpose of pubstomping
I've noticed a law of nature. It says that whenever a premade team queues up with one another, there will be one faggot who shit talks constantly because they know they have their buddies to back them up. This doesn't even just apply to games but real life as well. Every group has a mad shit talker cause he knows he has backup.

>>737946838
Yeah, it's like I thought
Just seething about someone being better than you at a game, so you make up a bunch of shit about who you think they are
lel

>>737943152
>>737945731
>>737946376
Anyone who uses the buzzword toxic (which came from Jeffery “Beat a bitch up” Lin aka Riot Lyte) need to be ostracized and ridiculed for saying it.

>>737943152
dedicated servers
>I wanna play in the 2fort 24/7 with like minded people who are stoned as fuck? I can
>I wanna do MLG PRO CIRCUIT sweatfest? I can
>I wanna join [4ch] WHEN NIGGERS LMAO BOTTOM TEXT? I can
instead the "matchmaking" lumps everyone into the same pot with the same fucking forced 50% winrate shit
I hate modern gaming so much its unreal

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>>737943152
>Join up for the "picking grapes" competition because I like picking grapes
>End up with 4 baskets full of grapes
>All the other competitors can only manage 1 or 2 baskets
>/v/: "This is totally unfair how dare that guy pick so many grapes?! Why won't the competition organizers do something so that I get to pick more grapes! They should take some grapes from his basket and give it to me, so I can win sometimes!"

>>737943152
dedicated servers.
>server is just for fun
>someone ruins it
>gets kicked
>problem solved
worked perfectly fine in the past until companies decided that every game needs to be some esports slop and they NEED to force you into queues against tryhards

>>737946838
Yes goyim make more slaves for dr. Shekelstein. Make the cattle infinite so we can extract resources from them endlessly from now to the end of time

>>737947219
I have 3K hours of dota 2, ~~5K on usf4 + sfV. top 1% in both games. Means jack shit. I know the scenes, I went to the offlines, I followed the pros like some fangirl. I was on "elitists" discord. Sad people. Don't kid yourself. Should've picked up a bass guitar like one of my friends who now plays in bars. Small stuff but 10x more fulfilling.
I'm warning you but you'll have that realization anyway when you near 30

>>737947407
What a nolife loser, I bet he spends all his time picking grapes!

>>737947510
I'm 39
Shut up and stop trying to condescend to me
There's nothing wrong with competition and competitive people

>>737943152
being competitive is just having decent reaction time and a good sensitivity. most tryhards can play on autopilot

>>737947686
Damn that sucks

>>737947686
>There's nothing wrong with competition and competitive people
How are you faring in the "getting laid" competition?

>>737947407
You forgot
>Goes around to every kid that picked less grapes than him and mercilessly derides them while pretending the kids that picked more grapes than him don't exist

>>737947686
Damn, so you wasted your whole life and not just the beginning of it. That's kind of sad when you think about it.

>>737947852
Never happened

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>>737943331
>homophilia

>>737947835
No complaints
Again, you people are all just seething that someone is better than you in something. So you guys make up things about them

>>737947924
>Damn, so you wasted your whole life

like this

>>737947938
>People never shit talk those who play worse than them despite playing like trash themselves
Yeah bro, sure.

>>737947973
Being 39 and talking about the importance of competitive gaming is pathetic. I don't care who you ask.

>JUST LET ME HAVE FUN
Screams the retard, dragging the whole industry to the ground with his deranged ideas about what video games should be like.

>>737943152
I play League (aram only) and CS (casual only) a few hours a week, and don't really have issues with toxicity at all. its 90% good interactions. Having a focused ranked mode is usually enough to contain the turbo sweats.

>>737947967
What, you mean you don't fuck humans?

>>737943152
maybe casuals should stop playing competitive games

>>737948030
>op posits question
>i answer it
>UMMM PATHETIC MUCH?
What is this female style of argumentation

>>737947973
>No complaints
Spoken like a true casual.
Numbers, please.

I don't believe "toxic overcompetitive players" are a real problem for anything but certain people's egos

>>737946901
>equip black box+conch
>compshitter has no idea how to handle this development
Still don't understand why playing the same classes with the same weapons over and over again is supposed to make you good at tf2.

>>737948048
Pretty sure it's the tryhard retards that bring GAMING down and not the people who think GAMES should be fun.

>>737948112
I don't remember OP asking you how old you are.

>>737948131
some people see everything as a competition and it is pretty annoying to deal with them

>>737948130
Unless I say something pathetically low or zero, you won't believe me anyway
25-ish, I stopped counting

>>737948131
They are a problem, you faggot. 1v1 me on rust.

>>737948272
1. don't play competitive games
2. queue with a group of friends or like-minded people and play casual modo
3. rise to the challenge and stop whining

>>737948131
they are as they are almost always the people who whine for the entire duration of the match and disconnect if the game isn't going their way 10 seconds in

Real ID

>>737948296
True, I don't believe you.
And even if I did, for someone being competitive that's a rather low number, even if you stopped counting.

>>737948369
real compfags don't quit
you described a casual who isn't getting his free win

>>737948156
You don't think games should be fun, you just want easy wins

>>737948448
It's higher than average, but a lot of years I was fucking the same people over and over

All you need is a good ranked system including a way to prevent smurfing (which isn't as big a deal as people think it is). If you're a retard you'll get matched with other retards, if you're a tryhard sweat, you'll shoot up the ranks to face other tryhard sweats. It's just that simple.

>>737943152
Easy, the people who play for fun go away and the toxic overcompetitive ones watch their game die
It is tradition

People who get mad about competitive players when they play together invariably create a purity spiral
>using the best strategy is tryhard
>using the 2nd best strategy is now tryhard because the 1st best is banned and 2nd best is new 1st best
Continue until nobody is allowed to play anything but Ganondorf on pokefloats

>>737948464
delusional
many competitive players have been banned from tournaments because they can't keep their power level down

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>>737945760
my post is still undefeated btw

>>737948572
>Ganondorf on pokefloats
KINOOOOO

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>replying to your own dumb post and declaring victory

>>737948572
In most cases, the fate of one-dimensional shit like this has largely to do with what kind of game is in question. I think most games would need robust system mechanics and a very good layer of universal options to give way to diversifying options even at the highest level of play. I can think of only a handful of games who tend to land at that spot (mostly stuff like Starcraft, various iterations of Guilty Gear and KoF and so forth.) I think a lot of the problems with the modern approach to competitive gaming is a result of something like LoL and CS being the two grand measuring stick. Both games that are hellishly one-dimensional at their highest level of play.

>>737948473
I don't derive pleasure from winning, at least not as much as fucking around. I used to lose all the time with one kill left because I was going for funny and stupid killcams. It's okay if you need to win in order to enjoy yourself but there's more to life than that.

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Good post! Still not an argument tho

>>737948938
Ah, you're a sandbagger with an ego.

apply this to real sports, anon and you will see how fucking dumb you are.
>a group of people gather to play volleyball after work
>the level of play is not high, but everyone has a good time
>someone who plays for literally the entire day all days arrives, dunks on everyone and constantly berates his team
>"why don't you just get good?"
>"if you trained more you wouldn't get wrecked kek!"
>"you just want your easy win handed to you."

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>>737943152
I don't owe you anything just because you're bad at the game. Get fucked or get good.

>the implication: competitive players are much better than play for fun players and are playing against them
>the reality: matchmaking is based on outcomes, so the sweatlords rise above the play-for-fun fags
if you consistently played casually you'd not have sweatlords up your ass, or the sweatlords or be so much worse than you they would not be a problem

>>737943152
Gamer gulags and genocides.

I have the perfect solution. If you're a tryhard and you want to STOMP on TURTS (new players) you buy "rank down DLC" that costs $29.99 plus tip each time and brings you down 10 ranked levels so you can beat the shit out of children. Any attempts to lower your rank artificially will ban you from the game permanently, forcing you to buy an "unban pass" that costs $99.99 plus tip

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>>737943152
Its been solved since the 90s, modern devs just pretend they dont know it for some reason.

>RTS games (that are worth playing, not Starkek and Age of Empires) kept the server browser
>a clear divide between casuals and tryhards, everyone is happy
>every other game does "skill based" matchmaking which results in the problems described here

>>737948512
lol casual

>>737949261
it's mostly "muh proprietary corpo IP"
as in, money
if the game's developer can't also charge you for the servers (at a nice jewish premium) it's not a good incentive to let players host their own servers
and games that do have "custom" servers nowadays are nothing but sanitized, corpo-approved garbage

>>737949002
It's not sandbagging to go for funny final killcams everyone watches. I just don't tie my ego to my winrate.

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>>737949464
Because you can't win against people in your own skill bracket, that's why you sandbag and demonise people better than you. There are plenty of games you could play for fun that aren't competitive and yet you choose to pull this shit in PvP multiplayer games.

>>737949631
Old call of duty didn't have skill brackets, retard.

>>737950163
Every game with MMR has skill brackets, even in unranked multiplayer.

>>737949008
The dude prob ragequit rather than berating since most irl sports are scheduled for reservation.

>>737950413
What mmr? Have you ever played cod before?

>>737949008
As a player of pickup basketball, people absolutely will either berate you or exclude you from playing with them if you're clearly fucking around and say "it's just a game lol"

So what do people bad at the game want me to do? Somehow UNlearn how to play? To let them win? To just press random buttons until the match ends?

>>737950710
Put up enough of a fight that I feel engaged but still lose. You exist to entertain me only

>>737949008
I remember this dude in kickball got booted off by everyone because he was pitching in a way that makes it impossible to be fun to play

>>737950653
it works both ways, yes

>>737943152
Winning is fun.

>>737950618
https://gdconf.com/article/interview-josh-menke-on-the-evolution-of-matchmaking-in-competitive-multiplayer-games/
Literally every cod game since COD4 has used some form of SBMM, yeah nigga it's a game with MMR

>just playing for fun
>getting mad when losing

>>737943152
when did wanting to win competitive games become toxic? why does meritocracy utterly mind break recent generations?

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>>737943152
>How do solve this conundrum?
Creatively portray their flaws and why they should reconsider this mindset, without breaking your own ethics.

Also dedicated server >>737943396
Matchmaking algorithms are now created specifically to create a feeling of insecurity in your skill, a need to climb the ladder...
Not even going into cashshop & disguised P2W xp-booster practices.

>>737943152
If you can't take the heat get out the kitchen. Casuls should go play their casual babby games.

>>737945760
>you can play one genre of vidya
>rts dont have team modes
woof

>>737948112
Zoomers are extremely high E

>>737952018
I play wow for the pvp

Me and my friends all leveled rogues and we exclusively play to world pvp. We grief pve players by killing them while they try to summon or do quests. The only thing I log on for. We joined a guild thats exclusively rogues.

Id imagine its really frustrating to be stun locked by 5 rogues.

>>737943152
by playing games that you let call the overcompetitive players whatever slur you desire

>>737947967
Are you serious with me?

Imagine the scene when The Duskbloods comes out

>>737947358
>game has casual, competitive and arcade modes
>people still repeat this shit from the garbage meme image

Sheesh

>>737949008
I think the worst is the smurfing pro streamers
>professional nba player goes to a middle school to have fun dunking on "shitters" and makes videos about it

>>737949008
Would it be okay for you if the guy who is a professional dunks on everyone but doesn't berate them? Or would that still make you mad?

>>737954703
>No one ever chimps out in casual mode
I wish I lived in your world.
>>737956195
It's bad but not as bad.

>>737952750
Honestly if you're dumb enough to pick a PvP server at this point you deserve to have this happen to you. It's the only reason anyone plays on those hellholes.

>I only play for fun I don't care about winning
>Except when I lose
Lmao

>>737943152
Force companies to stop designing every multiplayer game to be an engagement farming Shodan-approved hellscape.

>>737943152
Git gud

If you play for fun and not to win, then constantly losing shouldn't be a problem.

Anyone worse than me is a shitter scrub that deserves to be farmed. Anyone better than me is a no life loser playing like there’s million dollars on the line

There is no conundrum, that little dork getting maced is having fun

>>737943152
I can't take this image seriously because I've been called a tryhard in Marvel Rivals when I mainly just chill with gacha these days

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>>737952018
Prefer this one

>>737952750
>playing wow
I was going to say the same as >>737956630, if you are too dumb to realize that pvp games attract schadenfreude addict and encourage it, you deserve to learn the lesson until you quit the game.

>>737947303
don't think toxic is a buzzword, anon. Don't think it came from that guy either.

>>737948464
most compfags are casuals posturing

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>>737943152
The cure is simple:
1v1 multiplayer games
> muh tryhards make me lose
yeah that is what ranks are for
If having the appropriate rank for evenly matched opponents makes you mad, guess what: you ARE the toxic overcompetitive players

>>737957935
This image was made by some care bear faggots who’s ego was hurt because they got dumpstered in a PvP game

Non retards enjoy both genres, not everyone wants to play against a fucking AI all the time. Competitiveness is inherently a masculine trait

>>737957935
>>737956630
Youre welcome then.

Every mmo game that allows pvp i exclusively prey on weaker, less prepared players. I love punching down as hard as possible.

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winning is fun

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>>737943152

>>737962190
What really happened was that all the people who couldn't be assed to play in pugs and scrims would instead just snipe normie servers and jerk off to their high stats.

>>737962339
What the fuck is a pug and a scrim?

>>737943152
>people who play for fun (by winning)
>people who lose and cry

>>737943152
I don't try to turn games I don't like into casual baby sandboxes.

>>737962369
Pickup and practice games. Basically something that people used before leagues and ranked matchmakings became a thing. People would host sites where you can sign and then when there's enough people a game will be hosted, an ancient matchmaker. I tried playing TF2 this way but it was just not as fun as pubstomping.

>>737943152
You have social modes with relaxed rules and wacky features that people can hop on and fuck around in for fun

And you have competitive modes with strict rulesets and hardcore settings for the competitive players

Halo solved this shit in 2004

>>737943152
It's not a real problem. There's no such thing as being overcompetitive. The point of a game with a win-condition is to win the game. If there's something in the game that a casual has a problem with and thinks is "tryhard" then the problem is the game fucking sucks and is imbalanced, not that someone is trying to win and also happens to be checking your ego in the process.

>>737946376
I miss the Joker before... You know

I like how /v/ likes to roleplay as a hardcore gaymer but 90% of you fags don't even play videogames lmaoooo

>>737952396
>2V2
>preferred rts comp format
casual

>>737943396
yeah but people would be able to tell when you're putting bots in dedicated servers

>>737963290
>It's not a real problem.
It's killed multiple games.

>>737964476
Which games? Sounds like they were shit to begin with like I said.

>>737945632
>It's because we know it's just a game so a little bit of fucking around is fine
no one's making fun of you because you're
>just having fun and fucking around a bit
we're making fun of you because you always spout that as an excuse after you fuck around and die without making any impact on the game

>>737964476
>looks at the most played multiplayer games
>they're all "toxic comp esports" games
hmm

>>737943152
Design your game for one crowd or the other and stop trying to force mass appeal.

>>737965612
>Waaahhh, you made me lose one out of the 20 games I'll play just today
Cry more, bitchboy.

>>737943396
>Support for large playercounts, not this eternal 5v5 6v6 nonsense that caters to consoles and shit corporate servers.
This has always been a flawed mindset. There's a very very VERY specific sweetspot in player count and design where it actually works the way you think it will, and even then it usually depends on the way the community has generally agreed to play the game.

Like in the lower stages of adding more players, you're just increasing the margin in which a team with mostly competitive players will beat over a team of mostly casual players, and making it harder for any competitive players on the latter to carry their team to a win, which just makes them rage more. A team that's 4:2 casual:comp vs a team that's 0:6 has a slim chance of winning, but a chance. A team that's 9:3 vs a team that's 2:10 has no chance at all.

Then when you go further in, and you have like, 24v24, 32v32, 64v64, etc., and then people (either naturally or through game systems) just start splitting into 5-6 player clusters/squads, which just wraps back around to reintroducing the issue and players raging at each other for not taking it seriously within a small scale.

There's just no escaping it. It's only in cases like TF2--where the vast majority of pubs have decided to just play casually, not care about trying to win, and just do silly shit instead of actually playing the game for its unique team-based play--that the higher player count per match actually helps reinforce the play for fun. That, or FFA games that can get really wacky with a shitton of players, and people have already made peace with losing because they already only had a 1/8 chance of being the winner even with smaller amounts of players.

>>737947979
anon, those aren't the competitive players, those are the people "just trying to have fun" their idea of fun happens to be being an asshole to people online, you wouldn't want to shame them for just trying to have fun would you?

>>737949008
>a group of people gather to play volleyball after work
>the level of play is not high, but everyone has a good time
>guy shows up and blows an air horn every time people try to serve
>people tell him to stop
>HURR I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE FUN YOU TRYHARDS!

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>>737958256
I'm good at PvP and I support >>737957935, the very premise of PvP is comparing yourself to others and winning mean ruining someone's run. Playing with peer or with any proper matchmaker mean you'll never do better than 50-50
Playing PvP mean complaining about balance all the fucking time because your favorite class will never be treated fairly

>Non retards enjoy both genres
Exactly what the pic say, yet PvPtard try to convince themselves they are manly for not playing against AI.

There are two forbidden arcane magics that buckbreak composhitters like no tomorrow: Dedicated Servers and Custom Levels.
Every single time I saw a competitive scene form, they quickly isolated themselves to a handful of """hardcore""" servers that only run stock maps. The sight of any modded maps makes them uncomfortably avert their eyes. The custom servers running any gameplay modification make them gasp and clutch their pearls. They cannot subsist in this environment.
Use this knowledge wisely.

>>737968303
>comp players hate custom servers
>every time I saw a competitive scene form, they quickly created their own custom servers
>use this knowledge wisely
You sir, are retarded.

>>737969387
Reading comprehension, do you have it, nigger?
I said that they hate servers with custom gameplay modifications (which are usually impossible w/o dedicated servers, though there are exceptions), and they also hate custom maps (except very rare cases of absorbing a competitive-oriented map into their circlejerk routine).
Do you understand it now, or do I have to break it down further for your underdeveloped brain to grasp?

Stop tracking persistent player stats across games.
Literally that easy. Nobody needs to know their lifetime K:D ratio. Tracking win rates causes people to stress out about dropping below 50% wins, which triggers tryhard behavior. Matchmaking ratings in general are cancer, this isn't fucking chess, you do not need an Elo rating to play shootan games.

>>737943152
Play a different game

>>737969895
In TF2 almost every new cp map was originally just a custom map being played by tryhards until Valve began making them part of the main game.

>>737943152
Don't play ranked
It's that easy

>>737943152
>be toxic comp player
>bully and grief other players
>get mad when their favorite game dies
>move on to new game
>repeat

>>737969918
That will just make people play the game less.

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>>737970060
Meanwhile in the real world...

>>737970130
>ignoring the pile of dead games behind the ones still alive

>>737943152
The problem was already solved but then they phased out private servers.

>>737970197
Both CS and Dota are 10+ years old, all the "toxicity" and "matchmaking cancer" doesn't seem to bring the numbers down.

>>737945632
If you're not taking it seriously why do you care if you win or lose?

>>737963767
>preferred
Where do you see this word in my post?

>>737943152
make vote kicking or even vote banning players easier. also more resources to customer service so that harmful players can be reported and penalized

>>737943152
"If you were REALLY good you'd be playing ranked right now. Casual gamemodes are for fun and practicing new characters or builds, friend."

>>737945760
Why do you think that there are only two groups, "People who don't know anything about the game and just play whatever" and "Professional-aspirants"? "People who understand the basics of the game" shit all over you.