What is the biggest reason that the Wii is a bad console?
>>737947798Underpowered. Not many games. The pointer wasn't accurate enough to be a lightgun.
>>737947798forced motion control gimmick for nearly every game.
>>737947798It's a fine console, much better than gamecube at least.
Weak hardware, I bet most other problems could have been solved easily had it been closer to a 360 or a PS3.
>>737947936Not really any point in saying that when the GameCube library is a subset of its library.
The jack-off motion is something that should never be used for a controller input.
>>737948005I consider the gamecube a completely skippable console.>hurr lets get the worst versions of 6th gen games and cut out all the fun features and because it's easily emulated underage pc kids will think it's the best because they get a fraction of an iconic generation and awful bing bing games.
>>737948201Storage space is really the only advantage the PS2 had over the GC. On every other front you'd be better off playing the GC version.
>>737948320That should have said "media capacity", not "storage space".
>>737948320Nah, games were designed around the PS2 both graphically and control wise. You're settling for the worst of all worlds on cube, and the exceptions can be counted on one hand.
>>737947798The Wii was a bad console because it kept me in the video game community. I was going to quit video games for the most part after gen 6 after being pretty bored with it by the end and playing since the Genesis/Super Nintendo. The Wii (Revolution) was/is a lot of fun, was a great idea and just showed me that being called a "casual" isn't really a bad word when you look at what makes you "hardcore" to fit in. It was still very much experimental though so not every game was great, but at least it embraced what made it unique. The biggest drawback of the Wii from a technical perspective is no HDMI out (and obviously not being at least 720p). It would have made it more expensive and would have made making games for it more expensive too, but it would have future proofed it and maybe extended its life a bit more. Also I wish WM+ came a bit earlier than it did since it could only really be used in a small handful of games. Also, no, it's didn't enhance non-WM+ games. I guess I was just one of the rare people who wasn't part of the "I don't wanna come home and flail around my house" crowd since, in 99% of the games, you weren't jumping around your house or physically hiding behind chairs or anything. Basic arm movement or slight flicks of the wrist isn't "flailing around the house" and being too exhausted to do that is actually unforunate to me.>much better than gamecube at leastNot the biggest bar to jump, but still true.
>motion controls without motion plus aren't accurate enough to be implemented in real games outside of waggling to replace a button>nunchuck doesn't actually have 360° stick control>wildly underpowered>shovelware buried everything that tried instantly>dogass friend code system and geriatric online infrastructure kneecapped indies and multiplayer games>even the first party games were by and large ass>permanent storage was handled with an SD card>480i output by defaultThat's just the shit off the top of my head. The Wii was exactly as bad as it got shit for at the time and it doesn't matter how many kids look back on shit like Carnival Games 16 or Calvin Tucker's Redneck Chicken Shoot Jamboree fondly, the Wii era was an abominable time for games.
>>737947798The games
wii games freezing is the most scariest shit ever. for whatever reason they all make a sound from hell. ps2/ps3/xbox never did this when they crash they just go silent.
>>737949046>motion plusWhat did this thing do exactly.
>>737948201>>hurr lets get the worst versions of 6th gen gamesTendies will shit and piss themselves shouting "RE4"
it's not a bad console. It has a solidly decent library.Again, if you add up all of the exclusives on the Wii, and then all of the exclusives on the PS3 or 360, the Wii probably has the better library.
>>737949210Made Red Steel 2 one of the best games ever made
>>737949293Because it's the better version. So is Killer 7 for that matter.And Sonic Heroes.
>>737949308>add up all of the exclusives on the Wii, and then all of the exclusives on the PS3 or 360, the Wii probably has the better library.Absolutely not.
>>737947798I have no idea why but the majority of wii games looked uggly as sin, for some reason ugglier than Game cube games. Why I think game cube I think crisp, is slightly geometric likes, when I think wii I think pixelated and blurry as hell.
>>737949360Yeah, because the other systems started to be multiplat boxes, and glorified PCs around this time.Nintendo systems, at the very least, always have Nintendo games, and they always have some quirky bullshit like Zach and Wiki, or whatever.
>>737949308>it's not a bad console. It has a solidly decent library.That doesnt make it a good console, the thread is full of good examples how it could have been imrpoved and the games quality never enters the equation.
>>737949510that's literally the main thing that makes a good console.
>>737947798Batteries
>>737949536No, do you buy a car because you like the seats?
>>737949357PS2 version is better outside of longer loading screens and, in the case of RE4, the cutscenes. PS2 version is also better for Viewtiful Joe too because it had more features and content they could fit on the disc than Nintendo's ridiculous, neutered mini-discs shit would hold. Gamecube was more powerful obviously, but that didn't mean anything when you have less of a game because of it and the ports offer more and do more for a relatively comparable experience.
>>737949624>car analogy Anyways, I'll still pop in my wii sports from time-to-time just to see the environment. Something about the golf course in particular that was just so peaceful to me.
>>737949210It had an accelerometer and substantially improved gyroscope inside so the controller could continue tracking accurately even when the Wiimote's camera wasn't pointed directly at the IR lights in the sensor bar. That's why so many games without it just had you waggling, because the controls before then were mostly estimated based on where the cursor was rather than proper motion.
>>737949308>Again, if you add up all of the exclusives on the Wii, and then all of the exclusives on the PS3 or 360, the Wii probably has the better library.I can tell you 10 games for either PS3 or 360 I'd gladly play at the drop of my hat.I can't even give you 5 Wii games.>B-BUT MUH MARIO>MUH GALAXYI'm so fucking tired of bing bing wahoos
>>737949840I love Galaxy but replaying right now I can say that's a better example of the Wii sucking than not. That game's biggest faults are the shitty motion controls and the lack of a real analog stick. Galaxy 1 and 2 alongside Brawl were also the biggest first party titles until fucking Other M so it just highlights again how weak the line up really was.
>>737949319Wasn’t Red Steel 2 like a cowboy samurai themed shooter? I only played the first one.
>>737950182The Wii port of Twilight Princess suffered greatly because of the controls.
>>737947798Alex Mario
>>737950382That's because they didn't think them through. They took a game they engineered for play on a standard controller with no motion control mapping to map to motion controls. So there was no actual action translation of action to onscreen results, all you could do is wiggle the remote to do actions that were already coded for the GC version.
>>737949472Multiplats are games too.>Nintendo gamesThese are just games, and at the time, very low quality ones.
>>737949624I buy a car because I want to drive. I buy a console because I want to play video games.
>>737950503I used "action" too many times in that second sentence...
>>737950514>Mario Galaxy and Galaxy 2 are bad gamesBetter than Gaylo.
>>737950650You probably won't find anyone to agree with you, even Mario fans find Galaxy 1 and 2 to be incredibly dull.
>>737950687Only two of the best games in the entire series.Why are you pretending to like Mario?
>>737947936>Turn on gamecube>Game boots>Turn on Wii>Health and safety warning, press any button to continue>Wiimote batteries dead>Have to steal batteries from remote (which were previously swapped from the wiimote, but this still powers the wiimote, for some reason)>Waggle remote to game channel>Waggle remote to "Play" button
>Galaxy 1 and 2>DKC Returns>Mario Kart>Super Paper Mario>Kirby Epic Yarn and Return to Dream Land>Wario Ware>Rhythm Heaven>Skyward Sword (which is actually good)>Xenoblade Chronicles>Fire Emblem>Animal Crossing>Smash Bros BrawlIt has a perfectly solid library of Nintendo developed and published games, and that's not even counting third party stuff.It's a perfectly fine console, actually.
>>737950753Modding the Wii and setting it to boot directly into Homebrew Channel so you didn't have to dig up a Wiimote was quite a game changer in hindsight.
>>737947798Overpriced GameCube
>>737951247>>Skyward Sword (which is actually good)What an odd thing to have to clarify
>>737947798>Motion controls were a bit undercooked>Should've left binding controls much more open to the playerbase instead of just praying that developers would get better at control layouts instead of worseThat's basically it.>>737948201PS2 is also easily emulated.>>737949319>Nintendo shadowdropped motion+ so that even most game studios didn't know about it until it was outThe failure of the Wii U was deserved.>>737950514Mutliplats are always just worse PC games though.
>Skyward Sword is never mentioned in any Wii exclusives listsFunny.
>>737951916I like the game to some degree. I even bought the Switch version.
>>737947798>"bad console">literally the best console ever madeKek retard
>>737951909>Mutliplats are always just worse PC games thoughWe know better than this after 5 generations of botched PC ports.
>>737947798Not bad, but definitely flawed. The weak hardware was a very shortsighted choice. Remember the game droughts in 2011 and 2012?
>>737947909>The pointer wasn't accurate enough to be a lightgun.can't speak for original hardware or the initial iteration of the wii remotebut wii remote with motion plus included + dolphin bar on dolphin is perfect for lightgun gamesif the aim feels bad it's a game dev issue and not the console's fault
>>737947798The complicated online multiplayer system, the lack of good third party games while also being a dumping ground for shovelware I think were the biggest issues for consumers, while it being underpowered was the biggest issue for developers. The hardware is the larger fault because the multiplayer and third party support could have been fixed during its life cycle.
>>737947798>Ass-backwards online system>Control scheme that was revolutionary on paper, but most third-party games used it poorly or not at all, and very few games offered the ability to play with a classic or GC controller>Comically underpowered, no built-in ethernet port or HDMI support, shop only sold retro games and short timewasters while its competitors sold full modern titles on their shops>If it ever got multiplats, they would ordinarily be watered down from the PS3/360 originals due to said weak hardwareAll things considered, if it wasn't for brand loyalty, its affordability, and its family-friendly image, the Wii would have bombed, then the Wii U would have been released under a different name to distance itself from the former and seen as an improvement.
>>737947798It's actually the greatest console once you make it a homebrew machine.
>>737956096But the Wii U can do the same thing with a more powerful base hardware to work from.
>>737950753You could, eventually, purchase an official "rechargeable battery" slate. It was helping homes pioneer the concept of easy, rechargeable bricks. Not just accessory accessory accessory recharge AAs to last 10 minutes.Nintendo is a company that likes being inventive with its hardware and and media.
