Kill off Cloud and replace Jack as the protagonist. Completely overhaul the combat accordingly.
>>737969267Stop making them Sony exclusives
Why do you people care so much about sales, we don’t work for Square Enix.
Get rid of all the committees. From now on, the whole game is made by 10 or less very passionate people.
>>737969504/thread
Stich it all together into one mega game when 3 comes out. Cut out all the open world fluff in rebirth and squeeze troughs/backtracking/falling down a hole into a dungeon in remake
kill chadley
baked lighting, separate zones, parry that doesn't negate damage, pretty tifa model, no checklist.they ruined every good thing in ff7 remake intergrade for midbirth
>>737969267Make it linear and well paced. Also replace all the writers with good ones.
>>737969267It's over for the FF brand. They should focus on DQ (still has prestige) or create a new IP that will appeal to Zoomers.
>>737969267They need to add difficulty to the game and reduce the amount of bars everywhere I don't want to wait on 5 different bars just to use basic tactics. They should also remove the gay shit from the story the honey bee is enough.
>>737969504>>737969658They did that immediately after Rebirth flopped. It didn't help.
>>737969267Get rid of the gays and ugly-ass NPCs for starters. Crimson Desert had model-tier random ass villagers and nobody complained about that.
Make part 3 be a complete non-sequitor shitpostJohnny is now the main characterReno and Rude are now a hecking wholesome gay married coupleSephiroth looks at the camera and says that it sucks that the cringe compilation has to be part of the canon, they were all bad games but it just has to be this way
>>737969267There's no way to save it. They pulled the time jannies shit in Remake "defying destiny" as they said. It's such a move where there's simply no course change possible you have to fully commit to it. I wanted a faithful improved version of the OG but ok. I thought well at least Rebirth will surprise us.And of course it didn't they spent basically retconning the events that transpired in Remake differently.
>>737972951They either pussied out after the loud ones complained Remake wasn't just 1:1 remake, or they legit don't know what the fuck they're doing with the story.
>>737969267Regardless of what happens it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to their intelligence, utter trash. They could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point fans like them became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is DC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
>>737974141yeah, you are right
Japs are so fucking dumb sometimes
>>737973540Sometimes it seems as if the game is gaslighting you. If you get the REDXIII date in rebirth he talks about how we cant defy fate . As if he didnt witness our battle with the arbiters of fate.
>>737974141But is EC good?
>>737974141based
>>737969267They had a hostile takeover attempt last year. Everyone knows how they can turn it around but square and its autistic fanbase. Follow the tencent model of pumping out Gatcha, MMOs and GAAS. Never make anything non skinnerbox related again. Stock jumped 50% when shareholders thought the raiders would win only for it to crash back down after they lost.
>>737969267>sinking shipCope harder
>>737976848May we see the sales numbers?
>>737969267Any video game with Nomura as the Director is doomed to be Kingdom Hearts. There is no saving it. He doesn't understand video games.
>>737974141>AC - Advent Children>BC - Before Crisis>CC - Crisis Core>DC - Dirge of Cerberus>EC - Ever CrisisWhoa, I didn't notice that. Is there an FC? Does First Soldier count? GC? Genesis confirmed next game!?
>>737976983Hamaguchi is the director you schizo.
>>737969267Do you mean save Final Fantasy the franchise or save FF7 remake?If its the franchise, just make FF17 turn based again and in a mixed scifi setting and not have it 100% fantasy (like FF16)If its FF7 remake, then it cant be saved. Theyve already fucked that up. Just cut the budget of part 3 because itll flop anyway.
>>737976952It sold well. Why do you keep pretending otherwise when they said it did? What do you gain here by constantly acting like they're lying?
>>737977490They can start by showing the sales numbers like they did with Remake
>>737977528>lying
>>737977407nta but Nomura holds the higher rank as creative director. Hamaguchi is the director for gameplay. He is on the same level as the world design director and the action director.
>>737977407
>>737977740nta but really? damn I thought these two assholes were at the helm
>>737977560Remake got the covid buff. Rebirth was always going to sound like a flop compared to that. You cannot recreate the circumstance of locking everyone in their home.
They could still play it straight with part 3 and try not to fuck with the perfect ambiguous ending of the original game but we all know that won't happen.
>>737978004I genuinely thought Rebirth was a slightly better game in general but yeah I guess a lot of people were put off by the "original story" they went for with the ghost janny multiverse shit.
>>737977939No. Nomura and Kitase are in the overall direction group. Then you Nojima and Toriyama under scenario and Hamaguchi is in gameplay.
>>737972569What does this even mean? Rebirth was the last game, it was PS5 exclusive, by the time it hit PC no one cared. The next one will flop if it's PS5 exclusive
>>737969267Tried the demo on the Switch 2. It's amazing how they do everything in their way to slow down the pacing of the game. That segment in Nibelheim with Cloud dragging and crawling for 10 minutes was just mind boggling as well as the slow crouch walk on the planks. Is the game full of moments like that?
>>737978294It's basically a big excuse to spend as much time with the characters and world as possible yeah
>>737978294>That segment in Nibelheim with Cloud dragging and crawling for 10 minutes was just mind boggling as well as the slow crouch walk on the planks.That was fucking shit and only there to shill the Dualsense's haptic feedback features like the dynamic strength on the triggers and such.>Is the game full of moments like that?The first game, Remale, was full of moments like that. I think they tone it down a bit as the game goes on.
The problem with the game is that they tried to make it appeal to the type of Sony "gamer" who buys "video games" such as God of War and Uncharted and The Last of Us. More of an interactive drama than a video game.
>enjoy Remake despite its flaws>get to Rebirth>can't stand it because of how much it doubles down on everything wrong with RemakeI'm aware most people here hate the remake project as a whole but did anyone else actually have an overall positive experience with the first part only to be massively let down by part 2?
>>737978415The first part was absolutely atrocious. I played through the whole thing and didn't find anything redeemable about it at all. It's too short, too easy, too boring, the npcs are clearly designed by firms that outsource the work to indian people who have zero clue what the game is they're even working on. If you liked anything about it that's really bizarre.
>>737977740Hamaguchi is the one who made Sephiroth appear at the end of part 1.>>737977939They are at the helm. This are the schizos that wanted the remake to be different whereas Nomura wanted it to be like the original.
>>737978415>doubles down on everything wrong with Remakeelaborate? I thought Rebirth was slightly better than the first game and felt more like a "game" to me since it had many interesting locations. please keep in mind I skipped most of the chadley repetitive open world filler and only focused on green companion quests + main story
>>737977839Nomura is the creative director of rebirth, Hamaguchi is the director you schizo.
>>737978558Nothing schizo about realizing the extent of Nomura's (lack of) skill in directing games.
>>737978509Kitase wants it to be like the originalAdding a Sephiroth boss is a gameplay decision yes.
>nothing bad is ever Nomura's fault>...but also Nomura didn't even do that>...but also, the game is good because NomuraTheir hypocrisy knows no bounds.
>>737978509Hamaguchi has recently folded and admitted that no story changes will happen
People like to blame Spirits Within, but Advent Children has been the cancer killing Squeerix for the past two decades and the chickens are finally coming home to roost.
>>737977839Toriyama handles EC? First heard of it. Thought he was hit by a car after Mobius.
>>737978654>Remake ends on the idea that the story is now free to go in a wild new direction with an ending that is potentially entirely different from the original>um actually no we're not gonna do that its pretty much gonna end in the exact same spot and AC happens as is even though we've now added a bunch of shit that contradicts AC like Red's voice changing Literally what was the point of the Whispers if they won't actually have a meaningful impact in the end? Just to theorycraft? To make people think things might be different but ultimately they won't be? That sucks, they should've embraced the whole Rebuild of Evangelion thing and gone for a different ending but they didn't because they're cowards.
>>737979051No I like both Spirits Within and Advent Children. I hope Spirits Within will have representatives in the next Dissidia.
>>737979361Evangelion effectively doesn't have an extended universe. FF7 is more like Gundam OYW where they can add a lot of stuff around the OYW but never override it.
Fire Nomura, bring back the Gooch
>>737969267>OH N-
>>737978654Do these guys even know their own story? Remakebirth is a sequel. Advent children already happened in the prime og timeline, so what does the remake timeline have to do with it and why does it need to link up with it?
>>737977490A public company has to lie for shareholders lol
>>737979914Do you? Remake happens after OG but before AC.
>>737980116AC is part of the OG timeline and continues from OG FF7. Why would Remake link with it?
>>737980589Because Kitase said so. And because Remake happens after OG and before AC.
>>737969267FFVII remake is a downgrade, it'll sell well, but not amazing like square wants. the only FF that needs a remake is 8. 8 needed more development time.
>>737980695They are different timelines. Its like saying Remake Part 3 needs to link up with disc 3 of OG FF7.
>>737969267Completely ignore the plot of the Final Fantasy 7 and turn it into a crossover sequel to Final Fantasy 8. We have to go full schizophrenia.
Do what every fucking "sequel trilogy" does.>1. Return to form/pretty basic>2. Goes off the balls the wall retarded>3. acktually rewind, let's pretend this never ever happened and then we're just going to do our own thing and pretend nothing in the 2nd game exists.Why is this so fucking common?
>>737981137They are the same timeline. You are betting all in into Part 3 doing a 180 and wildly changing the narrative when Parts 1 and 2 remained faithful. Remake is part of the FF7 Compilation and therefore the same timeline. SE themselves don't have the resource to create an entire FF7 AU Compilation.
>>737979698Damn really gonna miss those banora apples.
>>737969267Bundle it as one game for $30 instead of three games for $120 each.
>>737981410>They are the same timeline
>>737982802Enlighten us. How are CCR and Remake trilogy different than the main timeline?
Make everyone has fun as Yuffie/Cloud, and release it on PC day one. I really hope they figure out a way for Barretts basic combat a little more interesting.
>>737977458turd based sissies don't play games.
>>737969267Demake/Extreme optimization for mobile phones and lower end hardware maybe
Let Cloud save Aerith and finally be happy. People prefer happier endings in troubled times like now.
>>737969267Hour long explicit sex scene with a girl of your choice, gays can get a half hour scene
>>737977458Part 3 should just be a 10-hour sex scene with Tifa. It would sell millions.
>>737969267This game is going to bomb even harder than RebirthUnlike millennial uncs who didn't know any better and had to deal with ancient technology, players today dislike sausagefestsThey'll spam tulpa Aerith in every chapter cheapening her death including an awakened parallel universe Aerith with ZackThey will never deviate from the original story and will add a bit more plot so it ties to AC
>>737978483"The food here is terrible, and the portions are so small!"
>>737977560Funny how they're quite with the sales for FF7:R but have no problem bragging about Nier Automata sales.
>Funny how they're quiteESL retard kek, nier sissies will never get a sequel
>>737969267Not possible.
>>737983119Have you even played the games? The events are already different. Is this bait?
>>737969267Give Aerith/Zack the true ending they deserve
>>737976257Square is infamously bad at making gachas though. People act like all gachas are equally shit but Square gachas are so far behind the rest of the pack in reality in basically all regards that the actual gacha gaming scene looks down on them and avoids them like the plague for their bad reputation. They have basically zero hope in the service market.
>>737969267outsource to Sandfall
>>737979020He said he has complete trust in the story Nojima has been writing. Part 3 will deviate from OG.
>>737969267I can't believe square is still this shit with unreal engine. The entire landscape constantly looks like it's covered in vaseline.
>>737969267imagine getting outclassed in the remake department by Falcom.
>>737969267Can't be done. Accept it.
Probably not possible at this point.
>>737969267>sinking shipIt's literally the only ff game that still sells
>>737974141Sadly true
>>737969267can't salvage this shitit was off the rails in 7R1
>>737988420See >>737977740
>>737988420>He said he has complete trust in the story Nojima has been writingI'm always amused by how autistic fans will lap up company statements from japanese people as if they carry weight.They have faith in Nojima? Wow, this is such [great news]! Why the fuck wouldn't they say that? What else are they going to say?>I think there's a 50/50 chance Nojima will write something really shit for part 3These are multi-million dollar projects. Every interview is always going to be "everything is going well, sales are good, production is good, the future is bright" and nothing else. Every company in the world does this and everyone knows it's meaningless. But SE fans in particular will hear these statements and genuinely think it's concrete evidence that there's nothing to worry about. But then again these are the same people who will buy it no matter what, so it's not like they're ever going to feel lied to.
>>737969267I dunno man. The whole Zack thing feels weird and I don't like the added stuff they've done with Clouds schizophrenia
>>737969267Literally the more time passes the more rebirth smells like a rotting cow. Part3s failure is baked in.
>>737969267Here are the only demands I have for the next game>have the same amount of stuff to do like in rebirth>fix the lightning so the characters look like in remake>add a:c clothes, so I can finally play with tifs in that styleAnd the hardest one yet:>have a good conclusion to the story with the time jannies and parallel worldsotherwise that shit should never be added as it honestly didn‘t add anything meaningful to it. People cry about the story changes, but nothing really changed. The only thing that was changed was that shinra president actually blew up the whole thing and maybe the parade. Everything else is more of an addition than change.
>>737995510>they aren't changes, they're additionsSo it's been changed
>>737995510>nothing really changedThe same but varying degrees of not-as-good.
I think it's the lack of attention to detail that's the most insulting>NPC animations lack cohesion and pathfinding even in key momentsCloud/Zack being escorted to the Shinra Manor in the flashback is a key example. 5 NPCs all scramble with the same animation and trip over terrain, stop on a dime and reposition. Then there's the scene where a guy walks out of a burning house with a stock animation. >The animations for the main characters are kind of trash aside from main cutscenesTheres nothing more immersion breaking than being in a scripted walking sequence and the pathfinding on Aerith means she stops and starts every 5 steps to reposition>The NPC dialogue is towns and cities feels unfiltered Again, immersion breaking. NPCs talking over each other and the cast with stock dialogue that comes in waves as opposed to sequentially>Enemy battle choreography is offThis was a problem in FFXV as well, enemies that can hit you from off screen because the camera gets stuck on an open world piece of terrain is just bad design>The tonal problems in Shinra Manor, Coral, Coral Prison, and the boat ride I get they want to pad the game out a bit but by removing all tension in areas that required it, they've created this happy go lucky road trip thing with very little tension and release.
I added a big curly moustache to the mona lisa. I haven't changed it, I just added to it. It's the same picture, so don't cry about "changes"Nothing really changed
>>737995623>it‘s been changedNo, the general story line is still the same. They added time jannie and multiverse plot to it, which I can agree as change. Everything else is still the same as the original but with more things to do and more character plotlines. But in its core it‘s still the same game, there are no real changes to core story.
>>737995759>at its core it's still the same
>The tonal problems in Shinra Manor, Coral, Coral Prison, and the boat rideespecially this. Rebirth is campy compared to the original. Totally different vibe.
>>737995759Yeah the overarching plot isn't the same though. Time Jannie's and multiversal shit isn't the same as the original.
>>737995803kek
>>737995824>Shinra Manor changed from a a tense side piece to 3 hours of nonsense where Cait Sith needs to throw boxes at metal switches right next to a guy with a gun for an armUnironically what were they thinking
>>737995803
>>737995803This is not the same argument. That is the change. Take the mona lisa one post, which is also wrong, as an example. Take away the the time jannies shit, it‘s just like adding more flowers to the background or a sun or clouds.>>737995835Anon can you read? My entire point is >I hope the multiverse and time jannies come a good conclusion, as they are the only real changeEverything else (aside president blowing up shinra) is more of an addition and not a change and if that thing has not a meaningful conclusion it never should have been added.
>>737995948>it‘s just like adding more flowers to the background or a sun or cloudsSounds like a change to me
>>7379692677R3 is just the OG FF7 but with better graphics
>>737995948>The only real changeDisingenuous to ignore all the other changes, so I ignored a stupid point.
>>737995878>we need this game to be long at any cost, it literally does not matter how shit it is, just make sure the game is long
>>737969267I loved Rebirth for the most part but the alternate timeline shit was just fucking awful. Took all of the weight and tragedy out of the deaths of Aerith and Zack.
>Cid is a completely different character>Entire towns and dungeons are removed>Tonally it's completely different>The story progression is completely different >Every moment of tension is removed and replaced >The core cast is completely different in terms of personality>Entire character moments are removedAnd most egregious of all, for me at least >Dyne has a completely different personality and motivation, and is now a fucking messNo changes huh
>>737995510>People cry about the story changes, but nothing really changed.You're such a slimy faggot.>you're wrong to cry about the changes because it hasn't even been changed>ok there are changes but they aren't really changes, they're additions>if you complain about the changes, you're wrong>if you complain about the story being the same, you're also wrong, because there are additionsYou really think people can't see through these weasel words?
>>737996158>we added time jannies to jessies death scene>this isn't a change, it's an addition!
>>737996158>Zack and Cloud were always meant to team up through the multiverse, we just couldn't show it in the original!>Temple of the Ancients and Cetra were always supposed to be one area, we just couldn't show it in the original!>Cid was always supposed to be a happy go lucky friend of Aeriths mom, we just couldn't show it in the original!Kwab
>>737996254>>737996158>CidIt's going to be some mental whiplash if he's all of a sudden abusive in Rocket Town
>>737996254additions!!!
>>737972496If you mention FF amongst zoomers they just think you're a gay retard so you're right
does anyone consider part one in far higher regard despite Rebirth being a direct sequel? it just felt more cohesive a standalone game than Rebirth.
>>737996410Rebirth feels like japanese people got a list of everything shit about western AAA games and used it as a guide. It's all the worst things about western AAA game design in one place.
>>737996297Honestly that would make it even more funny. A high level 'what the fuck was his problem" instance.
>>737996410Nah. Part 1 feels like a glorified proof of concept with some of the worst pacing and filler I've ever seen. Rebirth is better but still not great. I found it hard going back to Remake after playing Rebirth due to all the positive changes it made to combat in particular. I really don't like how they tied off the Time Janny shit in Remake then pulled it back in Rebirth as it felt like they were going in a different direction.
Even though you all proved me wrong I'm going to keep saying the changes aren't changes.
>>737996303>time jannies and multiverses are the real changes and everything else is more of an addition>so time jannies and muliverses are also an additionI always forget how many of you are retards, who lack basic reading skills
>>737996462>Hey Shera you goddamn bitch make us some fucking tea>Oh hey Aerith your mom was a real nice lady haha
>>737996410Oops, forgot to hover the score.
>>737996505>>737996509Heh
>>737996548>game a has 20k users and 18.8kUsers like it>game b has 15k users and 11k users like it>that means game a is more liked than game b?????????????????
>>737969267squeenix have failed to do anything good with ff7 after the original game, why would anything change now?
>>737996610>87% vs 80%Try to keep up, lil gup.
>>737996548Kind of disingenuous. Rebirth was launched at full price and was review bombed until they lowered the price, whereas Remake was released heavily discounted. Steam users are salty mfers
>>737996687Do you think it's conceivable that anyone could dislike these games for a valid reason or do you always have a way to dismiss negative feedback regardless of what it is?
>>737996726Of course people dislike games. But can you really look at all the negative reviews from day 1 directly mentioning the price and just say "Yup they must really dislike the game!"
>>737996687>Kind of disingenuous. Rebirth was launched at full price and was review bombed until they lowered the priceFirst off, this does not really fit with the "review bomb" narrative, because 76% on launch is actually higher than what it currently is. Second, the most recent reviews (i.e. "current") score is a 74%, which is lower than the lifetime score, signifying that this purported "review bomb" must not have been very significant, because the lifetime score is higher than the current recent score.
by making it much less boringI finished with 90 hours and was one of the most boring experiences ever
>>737996885>I played a game I found boring for 90 hoursUnironically why?
>>737996885You must be a boring person
>>737996885The few people still buying the Final Fantasy VII Remake games genuinely believes that more game = better game. So Part 3 is going to be even larger. It necessarily must be, in order to appease the 1 million people who will buy it no matter what.
>>737996778>because 76% on launch is actually higher than what it currently is.Yeah and look at the following 6 weeks you disingenuous knob. The negative reviews on the first 6 weeks largely mention price and the fact it didn't launch day and date with PS5.
>>737996917I like to finish things>>737996925>>737996935Game has too much filler and annoying mechanics, some things are nice, it's a pretty and well polished game but boring
>>737996970How far are you gonna try to move the goalposts, anon?The CURRENT RECENT review score is 74%, which is LOWER than when it was purportedly "review bombed"Is your assertion that Rebirth is CURRENTLY being review bombed?
>>737969267Playable Sephiroth
Abandon the entire nu-trilogy and just remake the original game like they were supposed to do from the start.
>>737996778You surely aren't implying they lowered the price immediately
>>737997037>The CURRENT RECENT review score is 74%, which is LOWER than when it was purportedly "review bombed"The REVIEW BOMBING lasted some 8 weeks until SE lowered the price. Are you stupid ?
>>737969267have aerith and tifa make out, Zack dies protecting aerith and Cloud jumps into the lifestream and spends eternity fucking Sephiroth to protect the planet.Aerith and Tifa eventually forget about both of them and decide they're actually into girls and make out after a grief session.Barret fucks Yuffie into submission and migrates to her land to be together and meet her dad after she's pregnant and giving him a grand materia as a downry
Just accept that every single time anyone ever thumbed down this game was for an unfair reason. It actually has 100% approval once you ignore all the negative feedback that doesn't count.
The Steam ports are a bit shit
>>737997135hire this man
>>737996778Actually just looking at the recent reviews they're all talking about the state of the port not the game. I suppose if you truly want to look at it properly, Metacritic has Remake at an 8.2 User score for the PS5 version (largely bug free) and Rebirth has a 8.9 User score for the PS5 version.So Rebirth is better?
>>737997083>>737997098Alright, guys, I know this very simple idea is going to be extremely difficult for you to follow along with and understand, but please try your best and bear with me.You assert that Rebirth has a bad score solely due to some purported "review bomb" and not the game itself. The lowest score in the alleged "review bomb" period is 75%. ...so why is the current recent review score 74%? Is it currently being review bombed? Or is it possible that it earned the 74% on its own merits as a game?
>>737997268>and not the game itself.Actually recent reviews seem to be related to the poor porting.
>>737997268>so why is the current recent review score 74%?Because SE can't port to low spec systems lmao
>>737997259>>737997268Ahem: >>737997180
>>737997268>Steam portOkay how's the mainstream consensus removed from port begging shitters that can't run it?
>>737997332>>737997351>Actually recent reviews seem to be related to the poor porting....no, they seem to be saying it's bloated open world slop and should have been a linear game (like Remake was, which is coincidentally rated higher)
>>737997180>>737997332>>737997351This
>>737997389This criticism doesn't count because the side content is optional.
>>737997389Disingenuous.If you want to get a proper consensus, look wider than Steam (who are bitching about the port). Rebirth is much higher on Metacritic.
It would be hilarious if SE skipped PC on part 3
>>737997463>Disingenuous.Wait wait wait wait wait, hold on. (You) are saying that every single negative review that Rebirth has ever earned on Steam are all fallacious and are due to things outside of the game's control, such as nebulous "review bombing" resulting in a score higher than it's current score, and cherry picked reviews that mention performance. ...meanwhile I post negative reviews that talk about why the game got a negative review, and you say *I'M* being disingenuous? And look at how many people are agreeing with these reviews and using Steam points to give them little emojis showing that they agree with them.
>>737997568See >>737997180
>>737997568Not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying that you're conflating general consensus (which is on other sites) with people moaning about the state of a port.
>>737997568Remake 8.2Rebirth 8.9
>>737997609>Not what I'm saying at allOh, so you agree then that significantly more people played Remake than Rebirth and that Remake is also more highly rated on Steam, and that all the negative reviews for Rebirth on Steam seem to cite it being bloated open world slop (while Remake is not) as most likely being the reason for why Remake has a higher rating (and more players) than Rebirth?(looks like this review had a comment on it, but it was deleted)
>>737969267Provide the game in vulkan or make it compatible with general DX12 instead of DX12_Ultimate. That basically free player base increase right there.
>>737997609game constantly crashing? not really fair to criticize a game for that, is it?
>>737997715>Strawman shitNah. People are bitching about the port.
>>737997774It isn't crashing on PS5, where it has a higher user review score, so I can only assume that PC users are complaining about the port
>>737997780Can you give us some examples of negative reviews you'd consider valid? Or are you just going to pretend everyone who disliked it is only complaining about the port (which is actually a fair reason to complain, even if you pretend otherwise)
>>737997846Can you use a review aggregator that isn't tied to complaints about a port or does that completely destroy your narrative?
>>737997780>Nah.Ah, so then you *are* incorrectly saying that every single review for Rebirth is due to things that are unrelated to the game. >People are bitching about the port.The overwhelming majority of reviews are expressing the reasoning for their distaste for Rebirth itself.
>>737997878Remake 8.2Rebirth 8.9
>>737997872>No I cannot give you an example of a valid criticismOkay, just wanted to check.
>>737997943>The only reviews I care about are on SteamWhy?
>>737997897What is this and why are you spamming it now?"Remake 87%""Rebirth 80%"Is this the childish shit I must do to get through to you?
>>737997897Feel better?
>>737997969>SteamLmao
>>737997969>>737997962
Worst thing about these episodic releases is that ultimately, there is absolutely no cohesive vision whatsoever.It's the tv series plague, where fan rankings etc cause a character to get resurrected etc.
>>737997962I'm not talking about steam or other people's reviews. I'm asking you personally what criticisms you'd consider valid.
Seems like all the negative reviews are talking about the same thing:>bloat (minigame/sidequest/chadley)>"cringe">ubisoft towers>open world>disrespectful to the OGHonestly, I'm surprised no one is complaining about the homosexual DEI NPCs.
>>737998057Negative steam reviews don't count. I've made that very clear. I'll now remind you another few times. Watch.
>>737998034I've already listed them here>>737995660
>>737998023I think I've noticed it most in the changes to the battle system between Remake and Rebirth. Remake feels very odd to play through now, like the battle system wasn't full baked. And that's not even getting in to the reactive changes they've made between Remake and Rebirth, in typical SE fashion well behind trends
>>737969267They cant, they should just copy nintendo and make dissidia party, chocobo racing 8 deluxe, super cid bros, ff tactics engage, dissidia brothers melee, star cloud, shinra fps, etc
>>737998083Okay, thank you
>>737998139You're welcome buddy
>>737998080>Negative steam reviews don't count.They count when they're complaining about their PC specs. Why don't they count when they're talking about the actual game?
>>737998134When Remake came out I would not listen to anyone who criticized the combat. They were all wrong. Now Rebirth is out, I can accept Remake combat did have flaws. Rebirth is currently flawless in my mind and in my arguments. But that may change when part 3 drops.
>>737998135>chocobo racing 8 deluxeDidn't they already make that?
>>737998193I think they'll take it even further and Rebirth will look off by comparison 2bh. I guess we'll see in a year or so.
>>737974141/thread
>>737995660All problems that were present in Remake too which makes me think that SE just doesn't see them as issues and will be in Part 3 as well
>>737998134Yeah the way the characters feel differs. In remake it feels like the characters are planted to the ground while Rebirth sports the floaty game feel.
>>737998135You're trying to be funny but being realistic THIS is what is going to ultimately kill Square Enix. Their inability to actually make games of different genres. And it really doesn't help that they are trying to change Final Fantasy into differing genres well and doing it badly.Say what you will but Square Enix being locked down as the RPG developers has been its own burden for the company. Konami has different genres like Castlevania, Metal Gear, sports, etc. Sega has Sonic, Yakuza, and even Virtua Fighter, Capcom? They are the variety kings. And naturally Nintendo has a diverse set of games of different genres.Square Enix really is kind of sucked when it comes to this. They specialize in a genre that not only has fallen out of mainstream popularity but also is seemingly quite costly to make in particular if you want to maintain a certain graphical standard for modern times. Square Enix is drowning in its own RPG hell. So yeah they are fucked. And it doesn't help their attempts at making different genre games are quite bad like Balamb Wonderworld.
>Cloud instead of resting up for this time critical mission let's go visit my parents because neither of the two guys I'm taking along can get this key card >Aerith is kidnapped by Shinra but instead of scrambling to find a way up to Shinra Tower let's dick around in the sewers>Cloud lets go through the Shinra welcome tour even though Aerith is probably getting dissected by Hojo right now>Cloud lets play mini games in Kalm even though we're being hunted by Shinra>Aerith really wants to ride the Chocobo Cloud you should put a summer hat on it>Barrets friend is now a mechanical monster let's let him handle it>Even though we're being hunted by Shinra let's dick around in Cosmo Canyon and site see>Even though it makes no sense the Temple of the Ancients and the Cetra Capitol are right next to each other given the catastrophic effects the Black Materia has on its capitol let's not ask questions about why they're next to each otherIt's all so tiresome
Why did they spend so much time developing Fort Condor in Yuffies story only to largely ignore it in Rebirth?
>Cloud bring me the black materia>She's not real Cloud make her lift her top again>Call Red a Dog again Cloud>Cloud remind Barret of his dead wife>Make Tifa show you her breasts Cloud>Make the Chocobo wear the summer hat Cloud>Make a pass at Yuffie Cloud>You should put your hands in Tifa's pants Cloud>Make Aerith talk about her dead mom Cloud>Add the Moogle Trio to your deck Cloud>Cloud play the Brawler mini game again I think you've almost got it>Pick the outfit where you can show off your chest Cloud>Cloud tell Aerith that Zack is deadDid Schizo Cloud get taken too far in Rebirth?
>>737998503SE actually tried to branch out but then decided 30 million sales for nu tomb raider was disappointing so they sold it off.
>Ah yes>Ilfana>A delectable specimen>I dissected every inch of her>The data I absorbed...>Did you know a Cetra vagina has 3 times the Bartholin glands than the average human? The muscle contractions are twice that of our women. The Cetran cervix is 4.5 times as absorbent to semen than any other mammal on this planet>I have her reproductive system perfectly preserved in my labDid anyone else think Hojo went a bit hard in this scene?
>>737998550>Barrets friend is now a mechanical monster let's let him handle itI always found it bizarre that so few reacted to this. It feels like something lifted from RE 5&6...
>>737998647It was 8m actually which itself is absurd and doesn't need to be inflated to make a point.If you sell 8 MILLION of something and don't make money, that's a huge problem
>>737974141dc was good
>>737998708It's fucking surreal and is a tonal cliffdive compared to the original
>>737998725the trilogy sold 30 million, I added the three games together. its still absurd to look at that and think it's not worth keeping. now they dont even want to say how much rebirth sold but they have to smile and say "its doing fine" well if 8 million is disappointing enough to entirely can an IP rebirth must be over 10 million sales by now
>>737998708Every time the Re games do something indefensibly shit the fans pull out the exact same routine.>that scene in the original was ALWAYS badWhich is funny because, first it wasn't, and secondly even if it was how is that a defence of the new scene? If it was always shit why not put in something good? Deflecting to the og is just a cope. They refuse to let any criticism of the remakes stick."Stop comparing it to OG" they say, until it suits them.
>>737998878What was the tone of the original?
>>737999201Sick em
>>737995824Why didn't I feel that way in the OG? I spent 60 hours and have yet to reach Rocket Town.
>>737969267dont release the 3rd part as an exclusive, thats all they need to do
>>737998503>Konami>Sega>CapcomYet I didn't play any of those and keep coming back to Square Enix games.
trim the unnecessary fatthese games take twice as long as they need to be
>>737969267by letting Aerith liveits that simple
>>737999201I found it more contemplative, tense. Dyne was looking for a way out and his friend turns up to tell him there's a way to go back to normal. He comes to the realisation that he's too far gone and kills himself as a result of his actions after a brief moment of sanity. It was a great moment. And then the camera pans up to show the rest of the cliffside and the sun. Really great scene. I just don't think epic boss fight and Palmer added anything to it.
>Vincent still works for Shinra as a guard dogLmao as if the guy wasn't humiliated enough
the final boss fight is such a slog, I just wanted it to be over already
>>737999651They neutered Dyne too, in the OG he was still head honcho running a reign of terror. In Rebirth he's already toppled and stuffed into a cuckshed.
>>737999651Can you recap how it plays out in rebirth? I actually dont remember despite playing it. That really says alot about how bad and forgettable the remakes are.
>>737999651I dont find suicides heroic or inspiring. Dyne in Rebirth was more cliche, but at least he didn't end up pathetic.And yes sometimes suicide scene can be good too, to reflect the gritty things that happens in real life.I'm not favoring one over the other, more simply that the scene is too mundane to complain about.
>>738000184What 7R complaints aren't too mundane for you
>>737974141is this why final fantasy fans are all over 35?
>>737969504This. They need to stop fucking up the releases. When they finally ported the first one to PC it was so late AND was an EGS exclusive. The second one at least wasn't EGS but still released too late. If it just comes to everything day and date it'll do fine I think. Especially if they release it on Switch too, tendies ate up the port of the first one so hard they expedited the port for Rebirth and it's almost out already.
>>738000416making shit games for over 2 decades that are only bought by people who are obsessed with the cast leaves little room for growth.
What does the Lifestream even do?
>>738000561anything the shit writers need it to do whenever it's convenient. right now it's for epic crossover cameo battles, perfect for poggers streamer moments.
They should've just remade the game instead of making a sequel with awful retconning amd added story elements, and made it one game
>>738000184It's not supposed to be heroic or inspiring. That's the point. It's Barret realising his friend is too far gone, it's more a character development for Barret and his relationship with the group and Marlene.
>>738000561Literally identical to the force in star wars. It was even nonsensical in the end fmv in og ff7.
>>738001089In that case it does not really differ much tho from what we got from Rebirth?I think Dyne is too mundane to complain because he is essentially a non-character in both versions. His only purpose in the story is to give Barret his motivation. Doesn't really matter in which way he died really.
Why is the dialogue so awful in these games?
>>738002713eng or jp? I think it's better in JP and I can see parts of the vision there (it's still definitely overexaggerated compared to the original though). eng dub goes full ham though.
>>737969267It can´t be done. SE is just a mediocre company, they own the IPs but they no longer have the talent to live up to the expectations that were once associated to them. If VIIR had one or two problems it would be one thing but everything about it is overall terrible even when you are not comparing it with the masterpiece that was the original FF VII.
>>737969267just go back to playing the OG.
>>737969504rebirth stalled hard before 1M copies on pc because people realized the games are just bad Nintendo ports are barely hitting 100k copies sold
>>738004498but muh empty shelves#ad
They can’tThey killed the game when they decided to make it a trilogy instead of one good remake because they honestly thought FF7 fans were that starved for itBut even the most brainwashed retarded superfan of 7 can see this is a 40 hours game streched thinly across a trilogy of 80$ 120 hours games
>Final Fantasy 7 RebirthRebirth of what? I didn't get it
>>738002414>case it does not really differ much tho from what we got from RebirthYes heavily. Are you stupid
>>738005457Bizzaro Sephiroth is called Rebirth Sephiroth in weeb, that’s why he’s the final boss of this part
>>738005920What I do is, I start from a position that all criticism of 7R is wrong, and then I work back from there and see what sticks. Usually this leads to "the original was bad too" or "it doesn't even matter" or, as you can see in this case, a combination of both.I won't tell you the new Dyne scene is good, but I will make complaining about it seem silly and pointless. Now you understand my process you'll start to notice it a lot more.
The only improvements compared to the original are gameplay and graphical fidelity
>>738000561
>>738005920Not heavily. In the end Dyne still dies, and the lesson for Barret is still the same.At least he didn't have to lie to Marlene now that her dad died like a bitch.Why do you care that much about Dyne, when there are other scenes worth critiquing like those of Aerith or Zack's.
>>738006440jej
>>738006280>>738006471Well would you look at that
>>738006471so what you're saying is....... the dyne scene in rebirth..... is actually the same as in the originaldamn, that means... anyone who says they don't like it.... is just wrong!
If you don't like the new Dyne stuff it means you don't like the original Dyne stuff because the new stuff is the same as the old stuff. By the way, you shouldn't even care about if it's good or bad. Who cares? There's other stuff.
>>738006280>>738006471>Why do you care when you should care about other shitYou're incapable of discussion
>>738006614You just don't understand nuance.
>>738006280Well what I do it, I point out stupid shit in the remake and laugh at people who think that by being disingenuous they're making a point. You should be able to see me in all the threads now.
I don't care about Dyne but I don't like people saying they dislike the new Dyne scenes
>>738006471>Why do you care that muchWhich parts of Rebirth does this apply to specifically?Does it only apply to the Aerith and Zack scenes?Why does it apply to those scenes but not others?
>>738006782You have too high expectation for a mundane scene.>>738006898Because those of Aerith and Zack deviate quite heavily from the original, and they were important plot points.Dyne's scene, even when they change how he died, still had the same resolution and purpose in giving Barret what he needs as in the original.
Looking back, it was a bad idea to begin with.
>>738006898The only complaints I'll accept from others coincidently align with my own issues with some of the Zack stuff that I take issue with. Everything else is people bitching about nothing.
>>738007003There's more to storytelling than getting from point A to point B.>who cares what happened or how, as long as the end of the scene gets to the same pointYou're just a retard honestly.
Is Rebirth the most hated game of this generation along with TOTK and Metaphor?
>>738007143nah that would suggest a lot of people care about it
>>738007042The only mistake, really, is taking one (1) 30 hour PSX game from 1997 and turning it into three (3) full length games that are, so far, 40 hours + 80 hours, with a third one still on the way, and the games are no longer on the console they started on, and it's taking 7 years from first release to last release. I can't imagine any universe where that pitch goes through, but SE did it for some reason. Maybe that's why the previous CEO is gone now.
>>738007143Metaphor is only hated by poltards, people don’t think about it
>>738007273>The only mistake, really, is taking one (1) 30 hour PSX game from 1997 and turning it into three (3) full length games that are, so far, 40 hours + 80 hours, with a third one still on the way, and the games are no longer on the console they started on, and it's taking 7 years from first release to last release.But anyone with a decent level of technical knowhow would have understood early on that the size and scale of FF7 couldn't have fit into a single game at PS4/PS5 visual fidelity. That generation of RPGs were made possible by no voice acting, prerendered backgrounds, and very rudimentary polygonal characters. Square probably knew this very early in development, and proceeded anyway.
>>738007468>But anyone with a decent level of technical knowhow would have understood early on that the size and scale of FF7 couldn't have fit into a single game at PS4/PS5 visual fidelity.If you removed all the bloat from Remake and Rebirth, they could have turned it into one (1) game. They probably could have turned all three of them into one game.
>>738007139You are the kind of people who complain that FTL should not exist in movies because it violates le physics.You insists that this scene should be this or that for a very unbendable reason or otherwise you won't enjoy it.Even the OG has its moments when it is contrived or forced. All JRPGs do this to some extent. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy it or that you keep bitching about scene because waaaaahSo have your shit and keep complaining. Do not enjoy games ever.
>>738006280>>738007575I see now how this works.
>>738007537>They probably could have turned all three of them into one game.Maybe two games with reduced scope (not full voice acting), but I highly doubt it could have been a single game.
>>738007663It absolutely could have been a single game. Probably all 3 of them could have been a single game. Voice acting is overrated anyway, and it's almost universally bad in English. Remove all languages except Japanese. Remove all bloat. Remove Chadley.
>>738007575>You are the kind of people who complain that FTL should not exist in movies because it violates le physics.Wrong. Also really weird leap.>You insists that this scene should be this or that for a very unbendable reason or otherwise you won't enjoy it.Also wrong. Are you having a melty?>Even the OG has its moments when it is contrived or forced. All JRPGs do this to some extent.I didn't say otherwise. But if your best defence of the new Dyne scene is "every jrpg is badly written" then maybe don't get so heated about defending it?If you don't think the new scene is good why throw a shitfit when others criticize it?>you just hate everything!!!!The ultimate crybaby screech when they don't like a discussion. I love lots of stuff. What are you basing "you hate every game ever" on? You sound like a toddler arguing in a playground.
>>737969267The third will be titled FF7: RETURNScreen cap this.
>>738007139>There's more to storytelling than getting from point A to point B.That's true. But saying so seems to have caused a schizo meltdown.
>>737969267aerith is revealed as in control of lifestream and is actively messing with time to destroy tifa who stole her man
>>737969267reboot it againjust make it same style as ff7, static backgrounds, turn based
>>738007793>Also wrong. Are you having a melty?You just don't want to admit it>If you don't think the new scene is goodI didn't say that>The ultimate crybaby screechis you when you throw fit in every single unimportant scene and frame it as the ultimate criticism
I like the remakes
>>738007967Ok, what would be a valid criticism of 7R?
>>738007139>There's more to storytelling than getting from point A to point BThere's more to storytelling then being killed or suicided
>>738007575Have you ever considered replying to things that people say instead of making up arguments for them that they didn't say and then getting mad about those instead of what was actually said?
>>738008067Did you not look at my posts above?
>>738007967>You just don't want to admit itI don't want to admit that I think FTL should not exist in movies? What the hell are you talking about?My point was that there's more to good storytelling than arriving at the same point. Most stories end in the same way, hero triumphs, lessons learned, etc. But how you get there can be told well or told badly. But apparently me saying this leads you to the conclusion that I hate every videogame. Care to explain?
Why does Dyne's scene make people this mad?
>>737969267Fire Nomura, the time wraith shit has taken a perfectly acceptable story that worked and perverted it into kingdom hearts tier shit.Square needs to figure out if it wants the combat to be classic turn based rpg or full on character action. This half and half shit doesn't appeal to either audience and makes the flow of combat feel like 2000s world of warcraft.In the end theres really nothing that will be done squeenix is so far up its own ass and the same fuckin idiots who wasted 700 dollars on a ps5 to play this shit and 16 will continue buying their games and squeenix will continue to see this as success. The fact that they lost goty to a bunch of unwashed french monkeys who literally just did a turn based rpg with quick time events brings me immeasurable joy. Losing to a system you abandoned 18 years ago much have stung like a bitch.
>>738008190Why are the defenders of Dyne's scene so incapable of making a good argument
>>738008164Ok so how does Dyne being killed now constitutes "told badly", and how does in the original it was "told well"?
>>738008128I did. I just saw you spewing out a bunch of things that no one ever said that aren't part of this conversation, so I just invited you back to real life where you might read what people type and respond to what people type instead of making up arguments for people to have.
>>738008280Instead of typing babblewords why dont you just point out to my posts that you disagree with and tell me why
Don't care, still buying FF7R3. Why? Because otherwise gacha cancer takes over.
>>738008190I can't let people get away with not liking it. They need to know their criticism isn't valid. The same goes for anything else bad they might say about these games (aside from the one criticism about the Zack additions that I'll accept because that's my opinion)
>>738008262Before we move on can you please explain why me saying there's more to good storytelling than arriving at the same point led you to conclude I hate FTL and all videogames? I don't think we should brush past that.
I can't let people get away with liking it. They need to know my criticism is valid. The same goes for anything good they might say about these games. People should know that what they like sucks.
>>738008463Still can't come up with a better defence for the new Dyne scene than "it ends up the same anyway so who cares - also disliking it means you hate all videogames"?
>>738008350>>738008463Ahem: >>738008445
Fans of the new Dyne scene appear to be massive spergs. That's what I learned today.
When people throw criticism at me I deflected it by saying that I hate being called a videogame hater.It hurts my soul so deep.
>>738005457 They haven't decided name for part 3 yet,It's all you need to know about this project. They literally make shit up as they go along It's called rebirth because Nomura thought it was cool. There is no deep meaning
>>738008262It's simple.If it's in the OG, it is good.If it's in the Remakes, it is bad
>>738008626ok but anyway >>738008445you didn't just say that stuff for no reason, right? you weren't wrong, right? you're not just being stubborn now, right?
>>738008350>Instead of typing babblewordsI'm just telling you what you're doing. >why dont you just point out to my posts that you disagree with and tell me whyI thought I already did. >>738007575 (You)>>738008067 (Me)My issue with your post is that you made up a very weird scenario about FTL travel in video games and then you projected it onto the guy you're arguing with. And then you made up another "this or that" scenario to be mad about. Then you said "do not enjoy games ever" which isn't what anyone is saying. So really you just had a meltdown about things no one is saying, all because you made yourself upset about it. You really should just read what people type and then respond to that. There's no need to make up 3 new scenarios of things or opinions you hate but that no one is actually talking about every post.
>>738008712>My issue with your post is that you made up a very weird scenario about FTL travel in video gamesDo you not know what a hyperbole is, retard?I did not mean to say he is a spergless no fun allowed, even though maybe he is.It's a way of saying that there are people who are so dense that things in fiction should be in a way, otherwise they can't enjoy it.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief
>>738008712Funniest part is all I said was >>738007139 but he has decided I'm an OG purist who hates all videogames (and FTL??) just because I said there are good ways to tell stories and bad ways to tell stories and you don't ignore that just because both come to the end end point.The Hobbit book and film trilogy still end up in the same place but obviously you can talk about one working better than the other. If anyone disliked Five Armies I wouldn't declare that they hated EVERYTHING and start schizoing out.
>>738008190 All remake scenes are bad.Seto scene was one of my favourite scene in og and in rebirth, i never wanted to punch bugenhagen and nanaki so bad because they kept overdramatically yelling. They didn't even do music right, it was Nobuo's best piece.
>>738008914Anon, I play final fantasy games, I understand suspension of disbelief. I believed in it the moment I saw Cloud carrying that sword.Your "logic" means nothing in these games, or in fact anything that happens in any fiction, can ever be called bad.
Why does every game have its own dedicated schizo on /v/?
>>738009048They're useful for when you embarrass yourself and you can't answer the question and you need to change the subject
>>738009048>he's just finding out about BA7RY nowThis has been going on a long time. If you say anything bad about 7R he will appear to melt down at you, just like Barry before him. Thankfully we have a good test to expose him.
>>738009026There is no such thing as a consensus in criticizing fiction.What you call bad, others might call good, or good enough, etc.Things also gets better or worse since release date. Many youtubers are arguing that XIII is good now.
>>738008914>Do you not know what a hyperbole is, [anon is angry]?I do know what hyperbole is. You're not using hyperbole, you're creating fictional extremist arguments that no one ever said which are completely unrelated to anything, and you are inflicting them upon your enemy. That's being a schizo. >I did not mean to say he is a spergless no fun allowed, even though maybe he is.That's exactly what you said, and you are even doubling down on it while trying to excuse yourself from it. Bizarre.>It's a way of saying that there are people who are so dense that things in fiction should be in a way, otherwise they can't enjoy it.I think you should stick to replying to what people say, lest you type out a paragraph of retarded arguments no one is making and then start arguing against those instead of anything that anyone is saying.
>>737969267what sinking ship? rebirth has the best combat of any video game and the entire game was literally flawless lol
>>738009157>BA7RYThat’s terribly lazy Be more original
>>738009172>There is no such thing as a consensus in criticizing fiction.>What you call bad, others might call good, or good enough, etc.Ok? So maybe discuss these things instead of throwing a tantrum and making schizo unrelated claims when you see an opinion you don't like.If someone says the dyne scene is bad and you disagree, tell us why. Don't declare he hates FTL and... everything else in all fiction. You really just sound like a kid losing it.>>738009157I did suspect this was him.
>I do know what hyperbole is>You're not using hyperbole
When someone says they disliked the new Dyne scene, they're actually calling Casablanca a bad movie.
>>738009279>So maybe discuss these things insteadI already do that. I said what I thought about that scene. I did not start with calling out names, only after he did first.
>>738009284>I wasn't wrong, I was using hyperboleCan you tell us about a single time in your life when you admitted to being wrong. Just out of interest.
Tifa ball
>>738009384>Can you tell us about a single time in your life when you admitted to being wrongCan you though?
>>738006280Ahhh ok, now I see how this works
Played the remake on ps4 when it came out and had a good timeIs rebirth worth picking up? Thought about getting that dual pack of rebirth and remake both on steam when it’s next on sale
>>738009436Yes. I said there's more to storytelling than getting from point A to point B, and someone elegantly explained to me why I was wrong. He was right and I was wrong.Your turn. I did ask first, by the way.
>>738009463>Is rebirth worth picking up?honestly no, it's a boring slog. I had to force myself to finish it and the reward was not worth it. it only got worse the longer I played and the ending sucks. pirate it if you're really curious.
>>738009048Actually, what's interesting is that only Final Fantasy games that are part of a trilogy have a schizo. >I-XII No B-class schizos.>XIIIA B-class schizo has recently appeared for this game.>XVPatient zero, the original outbreak.>Type-0 The only FNC game that does not have a B-class schizo.>VII RemakeHas had a B-class schizo basically since Remake released.>XVINo B-class schizos.What's even more interesting is that the B-class schizo for XIII and the B-class schizo for VIIR are probably the same person. Trilogies are just bad news for Final Fantasy.
>>737969318Unironically something like this. The #1 reason I stopped playing Final Fantasy games is because all of the protagonists are either twinks or femboys. Give us a grizzled lead now and then.
>>737999201>>738000184>>738002414>>738006280>>738006471>>738007003>>738007575>>738007967>>738008914>>738009172A lot of angry posts about an unimportant mundane scene you don't think anyone should care about
>>737969267Part 3 is the Rebuild timeline up until Cloud goes into the Lifestream Coma, at which point the whole Rebuild “series” restarts at the intro train scene and then the rest of the game plays out as an actual remake, all three discs, strictly adhering to the real VII plot with none of the time jannies or additions like that.
What do you achieve by criticizing 7R?What's done is done.My take on it is that if I hate it, I would leave and not let it rent free on my head, and discuss games I like instead.
>>738009595Is there a cure?>>738009740That's our BA7RY. Don't like something about 7R? No matter how big or small he will fight for hours, day or night, to stomp out that negativity. Remind you of anyone?
>>738009463Yeah they are pretty good
>>738009784I can like a game and still talk about one scene in it I didn't like.Seeing a post saying one bad thing about a videogame and jumping to the conclusion that they're obsessed with hating the entire videogame (and everything else) is kind of schizo.
>>738009284Hyperbole is like:>The Whispers killed or revived or prevented the death of like 100 people so far.Schizo is like:>You are the kind of people who complain that FTL should not exist in movies because it violates le physics.When talking about Final Fantasy VII.
>>738009172XIII lives rent free in your head. Let it go.
If they haven't learned from P5, Metaphor and E33 for FF17, then I don't know what to tell youThey keep pushing the narrative that "oh kids don't play turn based, we need to do ACKSHAWN" and have been proven wrong for almost a decade now
>>738009812>Is there a cure?There does not seem to be a cure, unfortunately. It has been hypothesized that getting a job or a girlfriend might cure the B-virus, but no one has ever successfully implemented the prevention measures. Symptoms can only be managed via outlet, which means the symptoms still happen, but the host to the B-virus may be able to control where the virus manifests itself. For example, heavy expression onto 4chan may be mitigated by instead creating multiple Twitter accounts and expressing oneself there instead.
>>738009905>I can like a game and still talk about one scene in it I didn't like.literally impossible for insecure fanboy schizos
>>738009905I can hate a game and still talk about one scene in it that I like.Seeing a post defending a thing about videogame and jumping to the conclusion that they''re obsessed with stomping out every criticism of the entire game is kind of schizo.>>738010034I don't hate XIII.I'm more like I can accept that game has flaws but it can still be good and enjoyable.Every FF is like this to me
>>738010075I guess that means BA7RY will be a problem here for many years. At least more people are aware of him and know the simple test that exposes him.
>>738007756If all 3 of them were a single game, sans Chadley, it probably WOULD have been another masterpiece
>>738010060>learned from P5, Metaphor and E33Why would you want that? Two of those games are terrible and the other one is just fine.
>>738010117>Seeing a post defending a thing about videogame and jumping to the conclusion that they''re obsessed with stomping out every criticism of the entire game is kind of schizo.Agreed, so you won't mind telling us what some valid criticisms of viir would be
>>738007756>It absolutely could have been a single game.No
>>738010214>If all 3 of them were a single game, sans Chadley, it probably WOULD have been another masterpieceProbably. No bloat, all killer no filler, disc filled to the brim with necessary content. We might have even been able to dodge the time jannies. Alas...
Watch this everyone, he's about to fail the BA7RY test.
>>738009784What use is talking about video games? That's what I always say. That's why I think more "general" thread makers (like this one) should eat 30 day bans, so that I can see more Twitter posts on the 'log.
Barry won btw
>>7380108127R threads should be 100 people agreeing that it did everything right, while not caring about anything it may have gotten wrong
The time jannies should have turned Cloud into a cute shortstack futa.
>I'm actually not a schizo who exists only to tell everyone with a criticism of 7R that they're wrong no matter what it isok so what's one valid criticism of 7R?>.............................Every time. That's our Ba7ry, folks!
>>737969267Game's shit
>>737978654Kitase says so many things
>>737978654Kitase also said we don't know how it will end, they flip flop like crazy
>>738012932>>738013072>>737978654>no one wanted changes>everyone wanted changes>no one knows what's going to happen nextI'm so confused how these things could all be possible at the same time. Do I need Lifestream technology to understand this?
>>737969267Change the huge materia questline and keep everything else 1:1
>>738012915>>738012932>>738013072>>738013148>>738013270Kys.
>>738007042This is where they went wrong
>>737969267I still haven't recovered from Rebirths ending. I just wanted a one to one remake with CGI tier graphics and voice acting. The only thing they did right was the combat system. What the actual fuck were they thinking
>>738007068You're clearly itching to tell everyone about your Zack complaints, so just go ahead man
>>737972569are you retarded?>>738004498stop lying
>>738007907Tifa's life is miserable suffering post og, she shouldn't mess with the timeline then
>>738007143So, overhated, then.
>>737976983Nomura, Nomura, Nomura. It’s all Nomura with you people. Do you actually look at the credits of these games? He’s a director and character designer. He’s not even a writer on most of the games he’s worked on. I swear, Square’s attempts at positioning him as a public figure resulted in the loss of brain cells for Square Enix fans.
>>738008164>that imageSephiroth is a lucky man
>>738013683did he ever do a single thing wrong, in your opinion?
>>738013683Everyone is able to detect the unmistakable influence of Tetsuya Nomura except his biggest fans.
I think I'll buy Rebirth again when it's ported to switch 2, just to spite everyone here.
>>738013683if he has no effect on the writing then he is no director at all. The role of the director is to direct and have vision, not be a managing faggot that just handles people hoping that it works and tryign to steal credit if it does. You cant rely on the talent of workers when its full of weeb zoomer faghgots
>>738014051Why stop at 1 copy? Some people bought 4 copies of Remake on Switch out of spite.
>>738014051you say this and you'd still sulk if anyone called you a fanboy
400 (you)s trying to fix square enix slop instead of forgetting about it and becoming hardcore e33 fansastroturfed goty ever
>>738014291Why is it that particularly the FFVII (+Remake) fanbase is always convinced that people are only capable of liking one game?
Since no consensus was reached, I'll say the solution is letting me save Aerith and marry her
>>738007468>But anyone with a decent level of technical knowhow would have understood early on that the size and scale of FF7 couldn't have fit into a single game at PS4/PS5 visual fidelity.That's complete horse shit.
>>738013148They need to grow some balls, for god's sake.
>>738008242>The fact that they lost goty to a bunch of unwashed french monkeys who literally just did a turn based rpg with quick time events brings me immeasurable joy.E33 was released after the year where Rebirth was a GOTY nominee. Rebirth lost to a Playstation Ad because Sony needed to take away focus from Concord flopping. Even so, Rebirth would have lost to Metaphor.
>game 3 confirmed to be so peak the director is addicted to itAll of you lost
>>738015080We already know we'll love it no matter what. That's what being a fan is. Better than hating everything and FTL travel in films.
>>738015080Is the game 3 hours long
>>738013072>Kitase also said we don't know how it will end, they flip flop like crazyI honestly hope part 3 has an alternative/ultimate ending, just so I can watch you purist boomers and turn-based manchildren have another mental breakdown.
>>738015496Alternate ending how? It's either holy stops the meteor or not. If yes, then AC, if not then the world ends (or aguably the world resets into another remake).
>>738016174That's how the OG ended, and they don't see it as a happy ending.
>>738016445So will holy stop the meteor or not in this new happy ending?
>>738016174I actually like Holy nuking the earth as the original ending. I always just imagined it sorta like Ideon where it just brought humanity back to the stone ages or something.
>>738016639Arguably it did and then time loops to the Remake games for a redo. But even in AC where the meteor didn't kill everyone, they still did a humanity reset by abandoning mako energy
>>738015496The worse the ending is, the better. I want as many tears as possible.
>>737969267Lmao. I was a massive FFVII fanboy when younger and I will never play these games
If you ignore all the faults in Rebirth, it's as good as E33.
>>738017053good, they are disastrous remakes and a stain on the original game's legacy.
>>738017053>I was a massive FFVII fanboyNow you are a tranny?
>>738017247>disastrous remakesThat's because they are sequels.I wish they saved the gimmicks for a FF8 'remake' instead. It would have worked perfectly.
>>738016570Holy stops meteor in all endings, because Aerith summoned it before Sephiroth arrived to the fg.
