Prediction: blue button pressers choose A, red button pressers choose B
>>737994514Gaben said both are wrong.
>>737994514Stationary objects can't pass through portals. This has been demonstrated in game time and time again.
A. The momentum won’t affect the object itself, but slamming into the bottom plate will make the cube jump. How high will depend on its impact force, but the speed of the moving portal shouldn’t affect the exit velocity of the cube
>>737994817At approximately WHAT SPEED will it go?Assuming 100mph, it will be EXITING 100mph and not have any chance to decelerate til fully through. And since an object in motion tends to stay in motion, it won't just HIT THE BREAKS, when 99% of its mass is going 100mph
>>737994561>source: it came to me in a dream
>>737994514What the fuck is the jannies' problem? The last threads have all been deleted barely 50 replies in, including the one earlier today.It's B btw.
>>737995074Only one frog on the catalog. I approve.B
>>737994902It tends to, if the scenario took place underwater we’d have a better understanding of of the physics taking place. Underwater, the cube does not need a direct collision to move like B. Water can transmit force through velocity, pressure, and displacement. Since water is much denser than air, the same motion creates a much larger force on the cube. But since its air, and we assume the speed is within a workable range for equipment a human would design, the exit velocity won’t transfer
>>737994514A goes with red because they don't believe in cause and effect>The cube isn't moving>Nothing happensWhat happens afterward and its consequences don't matter to them.
>>737995165This proves it's A but B-lets always post it
>>737994597>Stationary objectsNo such thing. Motion is relative. In this case, the cube is moving towards the portal, moving while passing through (or otherwise it wouldn't be passing through) and there's no reason for it to stop afterwards, so it keeps moving.
>>737994514It's A. You are essentially dropping a box with a hole cut in the bottom, over the cube. Once inside, gravity shifts (because the hole is at an angle) and it tips over.The button question is retarded. No, even that gives it too much credit. There IS no question. If everyone presses blue everyone survives. Therefore anyone pressing red is volunteering for euthanasia.
>>737995394It illustrates how absurdly retarded A is. If you think it's proof, you might be absurdly retarded too.
>>737995489This has to be bait
>>737995479>You are essentially dropping a box with a hole cut in the bottom, over the cubeWrong.
>>737995182Water isn't even necessary Best analogy since the cube is multiple planes, is if you suddenly fired a chain out of a cannon with an end hanging out. The end in the cannon would instantly move, but since the chain is all attached, lime the cube, if 90% of the cube is going 100mph out the end, it Will drag the last 10% no problem.You could also imagine if you stood 2 feet in front vs right by the hole. Right by the hole you'd be ripped in half, but 2 feet away, NOTHING is there to arrest the IMMENSE speeds
>>737995489The cube doesnt go flying off the platform and it only moves through the portal quickly because the portal moves over the platform quickly. It shows that the cube at rest stays at rest. If the portal didnt send the platform through too, the cube would just gently plop out. People who think that it somehow gains momentum coming out the other side basically think there are 2 portals.
>>737995479>The button question is retarded.It's an representation of US politics. The colors even line up. The left (blue) puts their life on the line when all they really accomplish is maintaining the status quo. Meanwhile the right (red) gets by just fine even the left wins, but if they win then they do everything in their power to get rid of the left.
>>737995590>the cube at restExcept it's not at rest. There is no such thing since all motion is relative.>People who think that it somehow gains momentumThat's Afags, except they think it loses momentum. BGODS simply see that it already has momentum and will keep that momentum.
>>737995558The chain analogy only works if you already assume part of the cube exits with high velocity. The cube’s position changes, but its momentum does not suddenly become the panel’s momentum.saying “90% of the cube is going 100 mph out the end” assumes it’s B before proving it. Rigidity only transfers forces internally after some part of the object has been accelerated. If no part of the cube receives that acceleration from the portal, there is no internal dragging effect to begin with.
A bros don't look :(
>>737995770>>737995165The cube doesnt go flying off the platform when it comes out the other side. If the platform didn't go through too and the out portal was at an angle, it would just fall out gently. Its no different than just suddenly tipping the platform it's sitting on. That alone proves it, aside from the fact that B people always have to resort to the most elaborate mental gymnastics like saying the cube wasn't at rest in the first panel.
>>737994514>physicists say B>best LLMs say B>high IQ people say B>low IQs who demonstrably don't understand relative motion say A>>737994817The speed of the moving portal will actually impact it. If the 100mph orange portal piston stopped halfway through the cube, then the half of the cube on the exit side would experience an impulse force propelling it and tugging on the lower half of the cube on the entrance side. The cube on the entrance side would literally get sucked in.
>tfw you've poisoned the well of discussion by repeating your shit arguments enough times that people will be repeating them for the rest of time as long as /v/ survives
>>737995896Irrelevant. He didn't go through a portal, which is a huge factor. The launcher had him effectively not even moving relative to the road.Relative to the portal the cube is absolutely moving.
>>737996109You’ll have to explain where the velocity came from, not just what happens after velocity is already granted.
>>737994514A. You don't jump when a hoola hoop falls on you.
>>737996237You don't understand bro, it's RELATIVITY
>>737996202If I hit you with a hammer, you experience a force because you apply a force both equal and opposite to the hammer with your dented head. But if I hit you with a portal which is not a hole but more like negative space, you apply a force with you but there is nothing there to resist your impact, thus you are pulled in. Portals in motion exhibit strange and unintuitive mechanics but they have to for relative motion to work.
Damn I’ve never seen Bfags lose this quickly
>>737996516Listen to this faggot shit
>>737996516If there is nothing there to resist you, then there is also nothing there to apply a force to you. No resistance means no contact force. Acceleration requires force.
>>737996516>But if I hit you with a portal which is not a holeIt is a hole though.
>>737996237Think about the moving piston and the air in A or B. As the piston moves through the air, air has to go somewhere out the exit side. Its like firing an air compressor into the exit portal. Air must come wooshing out. If you are standing near the exit portal you could put your hand out and feel a bunch of air being blown past you. The entrance portal is pulling in all of these air particles that have nowhere to go. They dont just plop out and fall down like A.
>>737996202>You’ll have to explain where the velocity came fromNo you don't. If I have one portal above another one, then something will be infinitely falling / accelerating -- where does the "velocity" come from in that case? If I put a piece of cardboard over the exit portal, would the cardboard be moved? How is that possible?
>>737996002>The cube doesnt go flying off the platform when it comes out the other side.Based on what? The gif that contradicts how the portals are shown to work in the games?>If the platform didn't go through too and the out portal was at an angle, it would just fall out gently.Why? It's moving. What would make it just stop like that?>That alone proves itYou've just said words. You haven't proven shit.>the most elaborate mental gymnastics like saying the cube wasn't at rest in the first panel.How exactly is that an "elaborate mental gymnastic" when it's just a fact?
>>737994976>>737994514Both are wrong because Portal uses scripted physics for this shit.
>>737994514Prediction: A choosers say 1/2, B choosers say 2/3rds
>>737996707It only appears to be a hole when its stationary. But the portal is moving
>>737996182>Relative to the portal the cube is absolutely moving.i completely agree, which means it's not just going to stop after passing through and will keep moving.
>>737996823A moving hole is still just a hole.
>>737996787B. 50%.
>>737996719The falling example has gravity. The moving-portal cube senario still needs an identified force. if the cube starts at rest and the portal is not a physical surface or force field, what force gives the cube the panel’s velocity?
>>737996837Don't talk that way about your mother.
>>737996946You can't just look at a perpetual motion device and say "Well duh, it has gravity".And you completely ignored the second part of my post
>>737994514in game B simply can't happen, therefore it's A
>>737996202It's whatever force accelerated the piston. The cube is already moving before it enters. It's moving while it's passing through. There's no force to stop it, so it will keep moving after passing through.>>737996946>if the cube starts at restThere's your issue. You're starting from a false premise. It's not at rest since it's moving towards the portal.
>>737997048You never answered the central question, explain where the velocity came from, not just what happens after velocity is already granted. If not this will result in you spiraling half-cooked ideas around while baiting for opportunities.
>>737996934You retard
>>737997163Going purely by the engine, both A and B are equally valid. A, however, falls apart in the moon cutscene while B is still able to explain what happens there. Thus, B is the canon option.
>>737996109>LLMs say BBrainlets and outsourcing their critical reasoning skills to a language model, name a more iconic duo
>>737997228How so? Both of my answers were correct.
>>737997220velocity is literally defined as distance over time. even in the A example, the cube is literally moving in order to exit the portal. You already think it has velocity, just that for some reason you think it magically stops once the cube completely exits the portal.
>>737997238the moon isn't moving in the cutscenegoing purely by the engine, B is impossible, however there are edge cases where you can clip through objects which would create an A scenario, therefore A is correct
>>737997197You’re arguing in bad faith, the “relative to the portal the cube is moving”, you’re switching reference frames in a way that benefits B, but doesn’t prove it. Saying “whatever force accelerated the piston” only works if the portal behaves like a physical moving boundary that can do work on the cube. If the portal is just a transmission surface, then the cube’s position changes, but its room-frame momentum does not automatically become the piston’s momentum.
>>737997541Wait can object B move towards object A without object A moving towards object B?
>>737997310You’re mixing up transfer rate with exit momentum. the cube is being transmitted through the portal over time, so its position changes during the process. But that does not prove it gains continuing velocity after the transfer is complete.
>>737997619The question is whether the portal transfers that portal-frame motion into the cube’s exit momentum. Relative motion alone doesn’t prove kinetic coupling.
>>737997687You are making up terms that don't exist to avoid answering a simple yes no question.
>>737997737>>737997737proving relative motion doesn’t transfer the force from the portal to the cube
People get stuck because they can't comprehend an object in 2 planes at once. Once it partially enters, more and more if its mass goes from stationary, to moving fast. Lets say, to be generous, 20% of cube is left on other side. Still 80% is traveling 100mph, and they ARE connected. So its a question of, can 80% of its mass going 100mph, drag 20%?I'd say yes
>>737997817Why do you need force transferred to the cube?
>portal is moving>A fags just start making up words in order to describe this without saying "moving"
>blue button pressers choose A, red button pressers choose B>gaslighting, ragebaiting and deceit from B side>mostly straight answers from A side Just wanted to make sure.
Didn't the j**nnies just wipe this thread?
>>737997315the moon isn't moving in the cutscene
>>737999395Ah fuck I forgot the meme arrow. I consneed defeat.
>>737998306That was a different one.
>>737994514B.Blue button.I'm white by the way in case that matters.
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