>>737995289Play the game (yes it tells you)
>>737995328I played it. I still don't get it. I know that they're the same person but I can't find 'how'
>>737995289Don't think too hard about it.
itt: Brainlets that can't comprehend that gods don't exist by the same rules as humans. Same tier as the retards who can't understand Mohg-Miquella.
>>737995328It doesnt tell you tho.Its not made clear wether mariks can just transform into radagon or also split him off from her and have radagon exist at the same time as a seperate
>>737995454I'm guessing their binding vows were taken quite literally
>>737995454Its in there about tears, shattering the self, and rebuilding it. Its heavily inspired by alchemy concepts so try thinking about what you're reading and seeing through that lense.
>>737995547>using le gods excuse to defend poor writing
>>737995570It does tell you, but you have to have a little bit of Alchemical knowledge to understand what you're reading. Its like watching Metal Gear Solid without first watching Escape from New York and Mission Impossible. You're missing out on key references that enlighten the player.
>>737995289>>737995328Marika and radagon were real people then the Elden ring (hehe it's an entity) devoured them like grey goo alien shit they no longer exist
>>737995653it actually doesn't tell you, no matter how much you vaguepost about alchemy
>>737995653Ok then explain it then.
These games don’t have Lore.
>michael_kirkbride_mephala_design.jpg
>>737995653Kojima wrote this. Seeing a frog creature in the marsh next to a Goodrich soldier?OOOOOOOHH That means he was LE CHEMICALLY TOETUREE AND LE CHANGED BY THE ALBINAURICS! HAHA SO DEEP AND EPIC STORY!
>>737995289>Marika turns into Radagon>jerks off into the bottle>turns back into Marika>injects the cum
>>737995861Kojima is unironically the greatest writer of our time
>>737995915K kojima
>>737995868there was a similar pic. Radagon shots cum in air, transforms into Marika and she spreads her legs while the cum falls down. Does anyone have it? i cant find it anymore
>>737995653It doesn't tell you.>>737995328It doesn't tell you.>>737995289It doesn't tell you. Radagon's origins are obscured by design. It's bait for players to think about. The important part is that vying for godhood always leads to ruin and unnecessary sacrifice.
>>737995289They has sex so hard that they mixed into one being
>>737995289I figured it was like mitosis or something. He's basically a god so isn't going to be bound by the same rules.>>737995490This
>>737996098false. it spells it out for you speed reader.
>>737995289Marika probably invented him using herself as a basis so as to use the Gate of Divinity in the first place, hence why she was seemingly alone atop Enir-Ilim in the DLC Story Trailer. Marika probably gave him a separate body, akin to the Mountaintops Erdtree Avatar becoming two Avatars, then later began reassimilating him.
>>737995328Miyazaki deliberately cut stuff out of the game that explains how the Marika/Radagon thing works, he didn't want people to understand it.
>>737995653I am a lorefag but alchemyfags are insufferable and give us a bad name. Yes, there are references to alchemy in the game. But taking that fact and stretching it to "the entire game works on alchemy logic" is retarded.
>>737995454I think the situation with D is supposed to parallel Marika/Radagon and partially explains it. >The two known as D are inseparable twins. They are of two bodies and two minds, but one single soul. Not once do they stand together; not one word do they speak to one another.I think this means that Marika and Radagon are of one body and one soul, but two minds. Or one mind and two souls. Not sure which.
>>737995289Radagan is Marika's tulpa. He's her undying faith in the Golden Order only it did die which is why she's at war with herself.
the only story of elden ring is what you the player experience as you play it, the nature of marika/radagons duality is supposed to be mysterious because because the tarnished does not exist in a world of fact, just rumors and whisperswhen you stop trying to interpret fromsoft stories in terms of literalism like you're trying to create an objective historical account, the purpose of the lore and themes and what they add to the game become obvious
>>737996653There is nothing to imply Marika and Radagon were ever seperate. Just that they grew to hate each other.
>>737996901In other words, "it's just vibes bro"
>>737996642Thanks for the concession, laddie.
>>737995547Yeah it kind of bothers me when people imply that Miquella and Mohg/Radahn are literally having physical penis in butt gay sex. Same with Marika and Godfrey, they're supernatural beings ascended to a higher plane, they obviously don't require actual copulation to create life.
>>737996993sure, i guess if you think all worldbuilding and themes are just "vibes", but if you believe that, i believe you probably stopped mentally developing around roughly fifteen years of age
>>737996895Bingo.
>>737995595That's usually what I do. I know nothing about alchemy so that didn't come to me
>>737995915Ehh his shit is boring as fuck and poirly written. Also his fetishes everywhere
>>737996642Where? Explicitly where in the game does it say that? You'd think the wikis would have it. The lore videos and posts. But I've never seen it.
>How the fuck is he the same person as MarikaMuch in the same way we ourselves are actually two beings constituting a single being, but expressed through the magical realism which is Hidetaka Miyazaki's hallmark narrative style (i.e. a more abstract concept is presented in the form of very literal imagery). Yes, we are dyadic rather than monolithic entities. Jung called it the anima and animus; it is reflected in the body itself through the left (logical) and right (intuitive) brain hemispheres. The dyadic principle can be easily verified through the bicameral mind, a state of consciousness in which your 'awareness' or 'perception' is multiplied; you perceive reality twice instead of just once. I've experienced this state of consciousness only two times in my entire life, but it is definitely still possible. The US government did research into this in the 1980s, some of which can be accessed via CIA-published documents, particularly the Gateway Project files. They found that through the synchronization of the two brain hemispheres (hemi-sync) a transcendent state of consciousness can be attained, enabling things such as astral projection, remote viewing and generally improved intuitive awareness. This, interestingly, lines up with spiritual insights which survived from the days of antiquity, e.g. Jesus' teaching>"If two make peace with each other in a single house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move from here!' and it will move."Miyazaki tends to engage in a process of reflection upon these kinds of concepts which interest him through his art, which is what renders his games some of the most interesting and intelligently written out there. Sadly this flies over most gamers' heads because they lack the education required to pick up on any of it.>and how'd they fuck?They probably emanated their children and birthed them through the Erdtree. Most births in ER run through the Erdtree.
>>737996954Marika and Radagon had entirely separate lives during Radagon's time married to Rennala, and there's little reason to think that they were carefully coordinating teleporting around with one always seeming to be MIA when the other was doing anything. Plus, the nature of the Enir-Ilim ritual seems to require the lord staying at the tower, and Marika probably wouldn't have abandoned her entire body to try using the gate, especially since she might be weaker as a god if both her flesh and soul weren't made divine.
>>737995289religious mumbo jumbothe same way jesus is god or whatever
>>737998520>Most births in ER run through the Erdtree.That's an assumption fans have, but we really have no reason to believe this. Certain animals, such as the land octopuses, seem to still conventionally give birth (conventionally for them anyway), and we aren't given reason to believe that Liurnia relied on the Golden Order for birthing most life on the continent. There are also depictions of pregnant women on some of the chairs in Leyndell.
>>737999018So 'it doesn't make sense and people who claim it does know little'
>>737998520I agree Miyazaki intends for some Shadow and Jungian stuff to be read from Marika and Radagon and the Land of Shadow, but Marika and Radagon had to have been separated at one point for a purely normal reason: When Radagon and Marika were wedded, they would have been a grand, city-wide ceremony.
>>737999681>When Radagon and Marika were wedded, they would have been a grand, city-wide ceremony.source?
>>737999681So long as no one approached the bride and groom during the ceremony, perhaps Marika could have created a ruse with the same arts she used to make the Mimic Veil. However, unless she only made some wedding walk procession public and dressed to hide most movements for good measure, the nature of the Mimic Veil arts might become obvious. Perhaps a projection of sorts was used a la Morgott and Mohg, but those arts seem to be unique to her cursed twin sons and the Lamenter.
>>737998520The CIA did a lot of wacky experiments with astral projection, telepathy, literal magicians, etc. Doesn't mean any of it actually worked. The closest thing there is to CIA crackpot experiments actually being real is the hypnosis stuff, it is actually possible to hypnotise people but it typically only works if the person is already under the affects of alcohol or drugs.
>>737995289People are gonna throw a lot of text at you, but the truth is we don't know. It's kept deliberately confusing.
>>737995289MagicMAYBE the amber egg
>>737999042Yeah but it's implied that any birth outside the Erdtree cycle is blasphemous. In fact I'm pretty sure that's what the blasphemy that Rykard is accused of actually is, it was specifically him causing the births of Rya and the other snake people.
>>737999797Because that's how kingdoms operate since time immemorial. >>737999862Miquella has a projection, too, so maybe you're onto something. >Source?Miquella helped Freiya after Malenia and Radahn's battle, and he was already in the Haligtree at this time. He could only have been there via projection.
>>737999863>hypnotiseWho told you that? It works if the people allow it or a unaware of it. As soon as you are aware you can block it or counter the hypnotic effect. Needless to say hypnosis isn't scientific.>ciaPlenty is redacted, like fatalities. Soviets had their fair share of research, too.>Snake, some telepathically talented people can bend spoons otherscan create hurricanes. Careful, Mantis is one of the strongest.
>>738000107Social media itself is basically mass hypnosis
>>737999042Yeah, I believe only humans and demigods are incarnated through the Erdtree. Animals are obviously exempt from this, and I somehow doubt demihumans or trolls would get the privilege of Erdtree burial/rebirth as well.>>737999863Remote viewing definitely works; you can try it out yourself (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thq8sVv0lps).Of course it's ultimately up to you what you believe; my point was simply that the multiplicious nature of the higher beings in ER is inspired by real-world phenomena and concepts.
>>738000282>Remote viewing definitely worksHow many fingers am I holding up right now?
>>737998950That is all speculation. The crux of your argument is that it's silly to think about Radagon and Marika being conveniently away while the other is active. Nevermind that currently lord of Leyndell already does this in-game. Where he goes gallivanting across the continent to hunt Tarnish while larping as a nobody, all the while the Veiled Monarch is supposed to be ruling without showing his face.
>>737995289He's just her twin brother and they later fused like in Dragon Ball.
>>737995289>>737996023Finally, found it
>>737995289do you know what a tulpa is? well it's the same process here
>>738000282Thank you for reminding me that this board shares a website with /x/.
>>738000329Try the method in the video if you're really interested; I initially didn't believe it myself.
>>738000516I'm not giving a view to a pseudoscience grifter.
>>737995653>alchemical knowledge there is no "alchemical knowledge" because it's all made up shit, kek
>>738000516I don't get it. You think about an object you don't know the appearance of and then you try to draw the appearance of that object just by randomly guessing what you think it looks like?
>>738000892>randomly guessingIntuition is not random. The way I see it, these methods are designed to help you tap into the true essence of your consciousness/soul/innate energy, whatever you want to call it. Remember, language and images are merely a superficial external framework through which we delineate and express thoughts. But what are the actual thoughts in themselves? That's a much more mystical question related to the true nature of our being (which is neither the material matrix of our flesh nor the logical-computational matrix of our mind).
Shamans are tree people. Their flesh, minds and souls are capable to be cut and reattached. Horned people tried to make superhumans (gods) by grafting shamans together and then made an ascension gate. One of the shamans, Marika, ascents together with horned god and then proceeds to kill him and his people. Then Marika has children, all tainted by alien gods. Shamans become nobles, forget past experiments done to them by horned, and repeat their experiments onto themselves. Part of horned god was grafted to Marika and takes over her, becoming Radagon.
>>738001483How would " the true essence of your consciousness/soul/innate energy" be able to connect to something over long distance?
>>738001717I think the gate of divinity predates the Shamans being jar'd. It feels like the Hornsent had a longstanding culture of having a god and a lord ascend together to divinity and it was basically just a more mystical and fantastical version of coronation and royal succession. These statues all over Enir-Ilim seem to be a big hint. You have a god and a lord being bound together by a spiraling horn, evoking the crucible.
>>737997179Godfrey absolutely raw dogged Marika, though.
>>738001949>bound together by a spiraling hornOhhhhhhhh. Not that anon, but thank you. I have not been able to reconcile that tail thing (now a horn) for ages. I thought it was a serpent, but serpents are too obscure in the dlc for the Hornsent to have worshipped a serpent and it not be more explicit. It's just a horn, duh.
>>738001808I'm not sure. There are many theories floating around, but ultimately anyone's guess is as good as mine. We know from NDE and OBE reports that we can apparently instantly move across vast distances via pure intention. Our ability to unconsciously manifest synchronicities is another bit of evidence hinting at the fact our consciousness is capable of much more than what is suggested by the framework of the vessels we exist in. Iirc it was Rupert Sheldrake who theorized that our consciousness is actually not purely localized at all, and that its apparent spatial limitation itself is an illusion generated by the bodies we incarnate into in the Earth realm.
>>737996653We already know how Raagon came to be. Marika was cursed by the giants that she hates so much, that's why Radagon has the red hair of the giants. That's also why Marika only likes her blonde children, and absolutely hates the redheads. The whole reason she had her woman moment was because her golden child got skinned like a pig by Ranni's assassination plot.
It's weird how the titles of king and queen rank below the title of lord. Morgott is called a king and Renalla is called a queen, but they both rank below Radagon who is called a lord.
>>738002359this idg how people are still so lost on radagon's origins.
>>738002359>The whole reason she had her woman moment was because her golden child got skinned like a pig by Ranni's assassination plot.Marika was actually part of the plot to kill Godwyn, she wanted him to die both body and soul so he could be resurrected and succeed her. For whatever reason death is necessary for divnity. Radahn has to die before he can become Miquella's consort and Miquella sheds every part of himself except his spirit, which is essentially the same as dying. Ranni is the one who had a woman moment, she highjacked Godwyn's death as an opportunity to free herself and in doing so she made it impossible for Marika to resurrect Godwyn, which is what caused Marika to crack and shatter the Elden Ring.
>>738002808That would be neat but Radahn only died because he wouldn't come willingly.
>>738002964He was willing, in a sense. He's clearly a might makes right kind of a guy so I imagine he basically said "if you can prove you're stronger than me, then I'm yours"
>>738002057And radagon
>>737999969Only artificial or cursed life is considered abhorrent, hence the Albinaurics (manmade) and the Omens (cursed).>>738000105Depending on when Miquella healed Freyja, he might have still been connected to Trina, and Freyja was basically healed in her dreams but also for real.>>738000282We don't know what that door mural is trying to depict. It could just represent souls being kept safe in the Erdtree. Also, even if the Elden Ring and the Erdtree might help rebirth people, they might simple facilitate the soul's movements and people still have to be conventionally born. That's if the Great Rune of the Unborn is even meant to be used for rebirths, or if it's truly just for those who have yet to ever be born and rebirths are a misapplication, hence the dangers of Rennala's experiments.
>>738000357Morgott's true self is in constant hiding, hence the moniker of "veiled monarch", and no one knows what he looks like. We have no reason to believe that Marika was such an absurdly private person, and neither was Radagon, even with his insecure desire to force the Carian preceptors into secrecy. Furthermore, judging from the Lamenter in the DLC, Morgott's technique stems from his particular curse. Marika and Radagon wouldn't have access to said curse as a tool.
>>738001717Anon, the Shamans are extinct save for Marika. Even she might have been tortured in one of those jars, hence the cracking into stone/ceramic and what might be a Tooth Whip scar on her rise in the DLC trailer. Also, since Marika is the Empyrean, any hypothetical hornsent spouse would have had to be the lord, not the god.
>Misgotten are the bastard offspring of Marika and Godfrey>Demihumans are the bastard offspring of Marika and RadagonThen why is the Golden Order Greatsword being held by a Leonine Misbegotten?
>>738000357>>738003513but Marika and Radagon even talked to each other in a church, where Marika told him that he wasn't on the level of a god yet. IThey were separated for a certain period. And the separtion is possible, like Miquella and Trina did.
>>738002359We know that Radagon hated his red hair, but he might have it because Marika redirected a curse to him, not because the curse birthed him. Marika also doesn't actually care for any of her children and even tells them (as related by Melina's dialogue) to become a god or a lord lest they be sacrificed. Marika had long planned for the Tarnished's return and burning a path through the Erdtree, so the Night of the Black Knives was just an opportune moment to kick the plan into motion. Based on Gideon's dialogue about "the queen's sorrow" when Miquella was kidnapped, Miquella might be the only child she remotely cared about, and even then it might have just been as a tool.>>738002619It probably takes after Dark Souls' terminology a bit, with "lord" being used in a quasi-religious since (outright religious for DS). Also, Elden Lord is something like "Erde King" in the Japanese script. It's basically the overseer king among actual allies, and the emperor in cases of nations made through conquest.
>>738003772I talk to myself every day
>>738002808Marika wasn't part of the plot, Ranni would have never coordinated with her on anything and there would be no need to rob Maliketh instead of ordering him to fork over part of the rune. Ranni seemed to operate under the belief that the Two Fingers can hijack control of an Empyrean through their flesh but not their soul. The Two Fingers' inability to boss Marika around like that (or force Radagon to open the Erdtree, if he'd be their means of control) indicates that such a power might not actually exist. The Dark Moon has its own machinations. Perhaps Ranni was also seeking a way to de facto extend her natural life span and thus undermine the Two Fingers by being her own kind of perpetual monarch too.
>>738002808I wonder if Godwyn himself was in on the plan, and he intended to come back not knowing Ranni was playing them
So Radagon's body basically became the sword of the Elden Beast at the end right?
>>738003084Miquella is using his charms on Radahn's fragmented soul throughout the boss fight, even rushing out of the gate early when Radahn's consciousness begins further awakening. The chains on Radahn's armor imply a form of captivity too. They're certainly not meant to be a form of loose armor like Red Bear's or Malenia's sets.
>>738003084Well son of a bitch that makes that fight more palatable.
>>738003997you should visit a psychologist then
>>738004163Radagon and Marika's body, hence the sword basically having two spines. The item description even confirms it's made from a god, and it's certainly not made from the Elden Beast.>>738004234See >>738004190 , anon. The fight is not meant to be palatable, it's Miquella abandoning all of his goodness to chase power and claim he's bringing "peace" through the fruits of countless murders. If you get grabbed once but use Miquella's Great Rune, a second grab will even have him say "Let your thoughts... be only of love." Miquella abandoning his love, so he's literally being a "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrite of a god.
>>738004429You misread. Anon and I were talking about Malenia vs Miquella, and Radahn saying >Yeah, I'll go along with that silly promise. If you can beat meMakes that fight waaaay easier to accept.As for Promised Consort, yes. Miquella begins to influence Radahn right before he goes super sayian or whatever he was going to do with that red energy. What's interesting is that this may have a subtle precedent if one wishes to reach a little. The Talisman of Lord's Bestowal has this to say.>A talisman depicting Godfrey, first Elden lord, receiving the precious sap. Increases poise after using a flask of tears.>The Lord accepted the sap stoically, without any sign of wavering. No wonder Lord of the Erdtree casts a long shadow over the lands.And the icon has Godfrey's eyes hidden in shadow. Could it be that Marika had, at times, taken control of Godfrey, much like how Miquella does of Radahn? Could be.
>>738004429*Miquella abandoned his love. Sorry for the typo, can't get to sleep at the moment. Also, as an added detail of Miquella's moral fall, he replaced the Haligtree as his symbol with his own crown; a figurative and literal canopy to shelter the marginalized was replaced with something masturbatory and self-centered.
>>738004602FUCK I meant Malenia vs Radahn*
>>738003704Either the misbegotten "crusader" used to work for Radagon at some point and got it as a gift or Radagon simply discarded the sword (since it reminded him of Rennala) and the misbegotten found it in that cave (and decided to call himself a "crusader" for some reason).
about to play this for the first time. any tips?
>>737995289Fuck off, that's not important, why don't you fuckwits ever ask the really important questions like what kind of tax regime was in place in Leyndell that allowed Morgott to hold on to power and afford the nobles to live in such oppulance?
>>738004602Radahn is unlikely to have ever gone along with the vow for the war in Caelid. Miquella would be working toward a world Radahn wouldn't like, and the fact that Miquella exists due to Radagon's betrayal of Rennala would probably make him inherently hated by the Carians. Miquella was likely just desperate during the Shattering and already compromising his morals with a sort of back-up plan if the Haligtree cocoon didn't work. Miquella might have also feared Radahn conquering Leyndell, opening the Erdtree, and becoming Elden Lord on his own before Miquella's cocoon plan was complete.I don't think the Talisman of Lord's Bestowal indicates that Godfrey was charmed by Marika, just that his behavior was already stifled from Serosh's influence and he was unflinchingly resolved to take on the burden of conducting myriad fights.
>>738004814Morgott didn't let the nobles live in opulence, he kicked all of their asses out, whether in general or because they sided with Godrick and Godefroy. There's a group of nobles trying to get in through Leyndell's main gate to no avail, and a second group of nobles approaches the side gate with the Draconic Tree Sentinel only to be shot by Guardian Golems.
idgi aren't they brothers. that's kinda gay innit
>>738004705try finger but hole
>>738004942>tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooootalso, before they were kicked out, no taxes were getting collected after everything went to fuck
>>738004705Just play it blind and embrace not knowing.
>>738004705After you marry Ranni, make sure to go back to her tower and talk to her at the site of grace for a slightly better ending cutscene.
>>738004047>Marika wasn't part of the plotMaybe she wasn't part of Ranni's plot specifically but it does seem like Marika had her own plans to kill Godwyn (and like >>738004061 suggested Godwyn may even have been a willing participant) that Ranni ruined. I don't see any other way to make sense of what the finger reader in Deeproot Depths says. She said Godwyn was supposed to die a true death but then something went wrong.
>>738004047>lust provoking image
>>738005092We don't really know if the Golden Order even had an economy. Everything might have been handled with threats of violence, a barter system, and exchanging stray runes like a mix of life extenders (possibly) and magical steroids.It'd be neat if some Envoys arrived at Enir-Ilim for Miquella becoming a god, but their absence might imply that Miquella's plans were too infeasible (or outright impossible). In contrast, the Scarlet Rot outer god ruling through Malenia might have had a high likelihood. The Envoys at Leyndell were basically there to troll. Curiously though, there were some Envoys at the Deeproot Depths in the on-disc 1.00 version of the game (or I'm misremembering and they're still unused in the data).
>>738004602>Miquella begins to influence Radahn right before he goes super sayian or whatever he was going to do with that red energy.Definitely seems related to Serosh being placed on Godfrey's back to basically make him behave more civilized, just visually alone the parallel is clear.
>>738005204The wetnurse saying "should have" in that context seems more like she's still bemoaning what would be the conventional outcome of the murder, it's just that Ranni's plan caused something the wetnurse thinks is even worse. There'd also be no point in murdering seven other demi-gods if the plan was just to kill Godwyn.Weirdly enough, the Japanese text for Lhutel's Spirit Ashes implies that her demi-god was actually revived, so that makes for eight unnamed members of the golden lineage who Ranni murdered. Baffling that someone fully revived goes completely unmentioned by the rest of the story though.
>>737995653>but you have to have a little bit of Alchemical knowledgegnosticism is gay and fake
>>737995289because he was born from Marika using the Rune of the Unborn>>737996668>Miyazaki deliberately cut stuff out of the gameDid he cut out the Rune of the Unborn?
>>738007539exblain
>>737995289>caring about dogshit lore of a dogshit game for faggotsLMAO.
>>738007996Marika created Radagon with the stolen Rune of the Unborn, so that they could merge as one and complete their ascension. You need a Goddess and a Consort to merge as one for true divinity to be reached, but Marika was a usurper with no true Consort, and the Shattering was meant to burn runes in sacrifice and for them to be shattered and merge as one, which then brings back the Elden Beast
>>737995570you see marika transform into radagon right in front of you.
>>738008716That's a lot of assumptions
>>738008608I'm not buying your book, Joe
>>738005351>hooooooooooooonk
>>737995605>it's bad writing because my autistic brain can't comprehend it
>>737998520we have a few examples of how demigods could have been born. when miquella bleeds it creates new plants such as the sacramental bud, nectarblood burgeon and empyrean blood burgeon. when malenia allows the scarlet rot to bloom in the battle with radahn she has to shed her pride in the process, which becomes millicent. we have renalla using the rune of the unborn cycling her "daughters" through the reincarnation cycle of death > stone > spirit > rebirth. it's implied that rykard's melding with eiglay created the manserpents. I suppose the jarring process could be considered an analogue since the small ones act like children. my suspicion is that the birth of demigods mirrors the process of miquella shedding aspects of himself in the land of shadow. and demigods are discarded aspects of marika, which is why by the time we find her she's nothing but hollow ceramic housing the elden ring.
>>738009445why are you like this?
>>738009470like what I'm just speculating.
>>738009929do you have to be SUCH a dick?
>>737995289the real answer is that all empyreans have the ability to switch their sex in case the elden lord is type a or type b. marika just managed to split this aspect off and do selfcest with it. we literally see miquella split his off too
>>738010087so what, they grew a dick, tucked it up their own ass and made themselves boypreggers?
>>738010223no they were split up as two bodies for a while already first, marika got regular girlpreggers and they didn’t join back up into one body until later, well after the twins were born
>>737995809They do
>>737996834ThisD was the hint basically. If you can understand D and his bro u can understand marika
>>737995289Were they the "same person" in the sense that it was almost like a Jekyll and Hyde situation where Marika would "turn" into Radagon and back? That seems to be the case when taking into consideration the Radagon boss cutscene where we literally see that happen. But maybe it's the result of the Shattering and not something that was the status quo before. Still, what is the "metaphysical" nature of Radagon and Marika's "connection" is very vague. Where they two beings that converged (the Law of Regression incantation description seems to imply that they were), or were they a single being that "split" into two? I always thought that the whole Jar Saint thing mixed with Radagon's Crucible-like nature were a hint that Radagon is sort of like an amalgamation of various being that was born from the Jar process, maybe in the same Jar as Marika or maybe even "in her" as a result of the process, making him a sort of paralel to the Jar-folk, like Alexander. But maybe I'm overthinking it and he was just stuffed in the same Jar as her.
>>738008971No, it's clearly told to the player, it's even spelled out by Marika
>Game has unexplained mystery/miracle related to divinity and the gods and shit >THE DEV CUT IT OUT! THE WIKI CAN'T EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE THE DEV IS MALICIOUS
>>738010995>Were they the "same person" in the sense that it was almost like a Jekyll and Hyde situation where Marika would "turn" into Radagon and back? No
>>738010521that's not how that works, how the fuck did Radogan give birth to Radahn and Miquella if Marika didn't impragnate him up the butt with a giant futa cock? don't they teach biology in highschool any longer? jfc
>>738010995>Were they the "same person" in the sense that it was almost like a Jekyll and Hyde situation where Marika would "turn" into Radagon and back?Yes
>>738011149how do you explain this then?
>>738013118Jekyll created Hyde in his laboratory, then used the mystic ritual to fuse Hyde into his body. It's all there in the lore if you know where to look.
The erdtree is a tower like the neightreign ones so whats at the top
>>738013226GW retard.
>>738010995Radagon must have been his own person otherwise the melding of flesh in jars wouldnt make much sense in correspondence with marika and her lore. Also the red and white flesh mushrooms and the whole alchemical rebus thing. Otherwise radagon would just be marikas version of miquellas st Trina and he doesn't seem to be that
>>738013316That's exactly what he seems to be.
>>738013316Nope.
>>738013359>>738013361>o radagon leal hound of the golden order>we have yet to become oneThey're not a Trina situation
>>738013219>Jekyll created Hyde in his laboratoryWhat? Like wanking off into a test tube?
>>738013271You can see the tower retard
>if we make the story obtuse it means it's goodfucking retards
>>738013523What don't you understand about it? Maybe you are just thick?
>>738013563every souls game starting from demon's souls has shitty story that is badly delivered
>>738013665mommy milky
>>738013523who are you quoting
>>738013840>>738010887
>>738014443that's not what he said.
Messmers kindling is literally his heart
>>738013414*yet to become meBut same thing
What if Maliketh is also Marika in disguise?
>>738014623Maliketh was known as Gurranq when he served the Gloam Eye and after he betrayed her he became Marikesu/Maliketh as he became Marikas new shadow and why Maliketh is her "half brother"
>>738014709>Ashes which keep their renown even after death cannot be strengthened by merely corporeal glovewort.
>>738014535>>738013414It's not the same thing. You conveniently leave out the fact that before this she calls Radagon her other self. The implication of the line is that Radagon wants to be the main persona, he wants to be God. However he remains the tulpa.
>>738014848The line is her bodies other half because radagon isnt her hes been melded through the jar ritual with her. Hence the red and white flesh mushrooms
Officially done with Elden Ring invasions. This shit blows.You have these cool ass scenes in your head as you finish your build but once you invade the reality in 99% of cases is that it's 3 dudebros where 2 of them are spamming delayed lightning bolts at you from a distance while one spams unparryable shit at you that you can't retaliate against because a lightning bolt would hit you and then you die.And even if they are somehow bad enough to die the next grace is always 2 feet away in ER and there are no consequences for them losing.
>>737995289He would ejaculate straight up into the air, switch to fem, then catch it in her cunny.
>>738015757>the next grace is always 2 feet away in ER and there are no consequences for them losing.Why would you want to ruin someone's day? Redfags are mentally ill.
>>738015757>PvP got progressively worse and now they are making a pure PvP game on a NintendoWe are going to witness their first massive flop
>>737995328???
>>738015934You don't invade a 3v1 to have a good time because it's never going to be oneYou invade them to make the host miserable
>>738015934NTA but back when DeS was around I would invade and try to play the role of baddie in a level up to and including giving the host opportunity to recover or win. Rather than competitive mode it was more like play an enemy mode. I always thought this is actually the intended mindset for invasions. Every game afterward moved away from that where it just became a pvp mode.
