>>737995507By ignoring the boomers and giving zoomers and millennials what they enjoy.
>>737995507Action-based combat instead of turn-based combat.
>>737995507Understand the difference
Persona already did that, they were literal whos until P3 - P5
>>737995754This. I would have never accused Metaphor of seeking a wider audience. A modern audience more likely.
>>737995507>>737995645>>737995679what was the mindbreaking moment that led you to the decision to spam the exact same shit hundreds of times a day every day for months on end?
>>737995507>wider audience>moderrn audienceJaps are dying out. They need the western money.
>>737996279A detailed character creator would be appreciated, especially for Persona where you’re supposed to self insert into the protagonist
Infinite growth forever! Don't you love it? Seems sustainable.
>>737996318Complete with the fully rendered uncensored dick with multiple sizes and textures!
>>737996404Well Persona is supposed to be a teen series, so idk about that. But sure, whatever.
>>7379956793 million copies of FFXVI were sold in a single day.Nice try, turn-tranny.
>>737995507>Wider audience Give up. It's over for Atlus.
>audience only buys game for romance>remove the romance>no one buys the game
>>737996404>>737996437would be a funny gag to have dozens of penis sliders and options but it's still mosaic'd so it looks the same no matter how you customize it
>>737995507Metaphor was supposed to be Hashino's wild card experimental game, but he defaulted to the old formula. You missed your chance, you old codger.
>>737995507As a semi-normie who is familiar with Persona through seeing people talk about it online but has never actually played one of the games (which I imagine makes me exactly the "wider audience" that they could feasibly attract) here's what turns me off the games:1. I'm not a teenager, I don't care about high school drama.2. Turn based combat is boring. BG3 and E33 have proven that normies can tolerate turn based combat, but they clearly like those games despite them being turn based, not because of it. If you're going to make the game turn based, that just puts even more pressure on you to make every other aspect of the game amazing in order to make up for it.3. Visual novels are boring. Unless you're someone who is already a huge fan of anime, there is no way in hell you're going to tolerate long stretches of reading anime trope dialogue and watching cute anime girl PNGs emote.4. Probably the most important thing, because it affects your first impression of the games: Literal hours of cutscenes at the start of the game before you even get one single taste of actual gameplay is absolutely inexcusable. Only people who are already guaranteed to like this kind of game will tolerate that, anyone else will just drop the game before they even get a taste of whether or not they like the core gameplay.I imagine Persona fans' responses to this will be that if the devs followed my advice it would fundamentally change the game and ruin it for the original fans and yeah, that's pretty much what would be necessary for this series to achieve wider appeal. Either accept that your franchise is going to stay just as you love it but die or accept that it's going to change to something you don't like but live. I'm not saying one is better than the other, as a fan of Fallout I would have preferred the series died in the 90s rather than being turned into the abomination it is now.
>>737996497Also atlus bleeds sales because of their>let's release a brand new game with like ten hours of extra content THROUGHOUTIt gets to a point people just skip the original release.
>>737996518Nice wall of text just to say that you're a fag. I ain't reading that.
90% of weebs know about Persona. It's the de-facto most popular JRPG among 14 to 40 year old western and eastern peopleWhat more this motherfucker wants? For GoW, TLOU and FIFA dudebros to get into Persona too?This is fucking silly
>>737996489i vaguely remember that being a thing in a saints row game
>>737996518based and true. i can no longer slurp anime vn like i used to
>>737995507Did persona 5 sell like 10 million copies
>>737996497Metaphor was good and there's absolutely a place for turn based JRPGs. It obviously wasn't high budget so I doubt they lost money on it, they should probably try a sequel where the MC isn't an ambiguous mutt colour with blue hair
>>737996518Let’s not forget that DOS2 sold 10 million copies. I think there’s some benefits to turn based combat for even the average consumer, sure it might not be inherently or immersive as appealing as action, but it’s slower pace allows for a wider audience to enjoy (not everyone can deal with fast reaction times).I think, for Japanese games specifically, the problem is that trying to make turn based combat with a console controller is going to inherently result in a lot of menuing, which is offputting for nornalfags. Persona has actually done the best in this regard by tying actions to every button on the controller. But jap devs are so used to console development that it’s still a hurdle for them in the wider market.
>>737996518>I'm not a teenager, I don't care about high school drama.This. Spending your adult life fantasizing about being popular in high school is mostly a Japanese thing, its why so much of their fiction revolves around high school. But the average westerner doesnt do this.
>>737995507Until they ditch the heavy Japanese audience they're never going to break in to "mainstream". But then they'd lose the Japanese audience/weaboos
>>737996785The time management stuff is so core to Persona’s identity that it has to say. Ig college would be a good compromise?
>>737996584Seething retard
Fatlus left out in the cold once again.
>>737995507To be fair, the setting is just retarded. They should have stuck with a high fantasy setting and medieval elements. I guess Atlus just felt that they needed to counter Final Fantasy's "Magitek" (techno-fantasy) setting, instead of just going down the classic LOTR, Forgotten Realms or even Dragon Quest route.
>>737996318The mcs still have a personality, you just get to choose how that plays outThey were never full self inserts
>>737995507>make profit>NO WE NEED MOAR PROFITBehead all bean counters.
>>737995679>PROFITS>MADE MONEY>PROFIT>WE WANT MOOOOOOARKill all bean counters.
>>737995507the turning point of enshittification
>>737996962this is just ffxiv
>>737997234The whole post apocalypse thing is just one dungeon. It at least explained the fantasy races as a result of a bunch of furry survivors.
By producing games faster and with less people. Tons of companies stay afloat making niche games. Game production is cheaper than ever and it's only going down in cost. If they are unable to keep the lights on, that's a pure fucking skill issue.
>>737995507Coincidentally, all Atlus games will feature interactive attacks and at least one barefoot party member.
>>737995507they had a wider audience, they reached it with persona 5then they decided that they wouldn't make persona 6, giving up that audience that they foundstupid dumbasses should have just made persona 6 if they wanted to keep that audience. they already had it, they just needed to make a new game instead of doing literally nothing for a decade. people can't buy games that don't exist
>>737998151This would be an improvement. Straight-up turn-slop is just stale and boring as fuck.
>>737995645you didn't buy Persona 5 Strikers shut the fuck up
>>737995507how do you get much wider than a fatlus fan?
>>737998293lmao this
>>737995507Partner with RGG studios and make more ARPG SMT games like Raidou.
>>737996475Having romances is basically free advertising because waifufags can never shut up about wanting to fuck half the cast. Atlus are retards for ignoring that part of the fandom.
>>737995507It doesn't matter what they make, the trannyliser at fatlus will ruin what eng translation there is and ruin the sales and reputation.
>>737996785>But the average westerner doesnt do thisAnon, Prom is a central plot point for a lot of American media. Don't lie.
>>737995507I fear the worst for SMTVI.
>>737995507maybe stop with the royal versions so i can actually buy the game
>>737999237my headcannon is that they removed it to see how much impact it has on sales, and that they saved it for the updated version just in case
>>738000256gonna take 10 years anyways
>>737999237This. Theres been multiple threads in the past week that reached bump limit just arguing over who best girl is.
>>737996627yes but bigger penises had bigger mosaics so the slider there technically still had an impact on something
>>737995507they could start by not making their protagonist look absolutely retarded
>>738000498I don't get what waifufags see in the romances in persona. You get basically one or two social link scenes that are different, the same cookie cutter event scenes for the holidays, and that's it. None of the romances or consequences for romancing multiple girls can come up in the main story because it's all optional content. It seems half assed compared to playing a dating sim.
>>737995507Release Metaphor Re-Refantazio already for one. I want to play the damn game in its complete state already.
>>737998638every element of the RGG games was all your opponents being humans so they could all fit into your heat action cutscenes and generally have fighting-game-like properties and gameplay. Would never work with the SMT demon models
>persona 6 still not outgood they should fucking suffah
>>737995507add sex
>>737995507ohnonono
>persona babies thinking they weren't always the "wider audience"
>>737995507wasnt persona 5 a massive hit with normalfags in the west? what more do they want? what market is left to attract??????
>>737995507metaphor original look seemed so much more intressting. like a less sexulized dragons dogma but as a turn based rpg.instead we got elf ears person with a woke story about murdering evil white men for the sake of minorities
>>737995507they need to make more walking sim movie games yay!
>>738006127the japs want the COD audience. which is why every franchise they have is sliding into shit.
>>737996785> its why so much of their fiction revolves around high school. No it's because they actually target the teenage demographic with their comics and cartoons.They didn't stop sunday morning cartoons aimed at kids who had the day off like the west did with saturday morning cartoons. They do their best to target the younger demographic with their comic magazine sales. So if their target audience is actually being their audience, of course it'll be made be familiar to them, aka: in middle/highschool.It's only the west where kids have such shit taste in media they don't watch cartoons, read comics or play videogames and more and the last 15 years have been kids watching shit on youtube and playing almost exclusively minecraft/fortnight/roblox
>>737995507>fatlus>wider audience
>>737996785> Spending your adult life fantasizing about being popular in high school is mostly a Japanese thing,>But the average westerner doesnt do this.I laughed from how untrue this is.
>>737995507have they tried making MCs that dont look like faggots ?
My biggest gripe with Metaphor was the attack forms looked like sci-fi alien slim tech and the game viibe was Knights and Castles. It was my first Persona game and it was pretty enjoyable.
>>738005484Hi Barry. How nice of you to join us.
Maybe one day one of these SEA hate threads will get to bump limit again
>>737996709Metaphor is one of their best selling games of all time and on PC in particular greatly exceeded what they were expecting for it so I doubt they lost any money on it whatsoever
>>737996257when final fantasy 7 wasn't on the nintendo 64, he swore a life long grudge against squaresoft.
>>737995507Sega buying Fatlus is the worst thing that could have happened to them. These big corpos ruin franchises and and run them to the ground because their hyperfocus on profits make them lose sight of everything. If Atlus was already part of Sega before Persona 3 they wouldn't even exist right now, they would have been shut down since a long time ago.
>>738009183Barry won btw
>>738008517>We want the gamer girl audience
>>738010410How many dozens of times have you said this I wonder
>>737996518the fun part is that if they do this then all they'll do is kill their niche and flop around helplessly in a bigger pool while getting bad word of mouth.
>>737996467Those are bad numbers for final fantasy considering the money put into it, while Metaphor's profits were good considering it's a new IP and the development costs are lower comparatively, considering the gameplay is almost exactly Persona.
>>738006339>woke storyDid Fatlus think leftoids and browns would buy the game, if they put shit like this in it?
>>737995645This, sure it hasn't worked for any company who has tried so far... but THIS will be the one!
>>738010746You've been posting this screenshot for approaching 2 years now and still no one cared lmao
>>738010746>>738010818
>>738010746Damn, looks like FFXIV is woke as well.
>>738010746They did the same thing in Dawntrail and that flopped horribly lol
>>737995629The zoomers and millennials enjoy Disco Elysium
>>738010723You can take it being a new IP out even, selling over a million copies already puts it in the top 10% of all games the company ever made, selling 2 million much faster than the p3 remake did puts it right behind P5 for sales
>>738002317If you play Persona for the romance you are playing the wrong game.
They're making these games on a budget of 2M probably and their games are known by every weeb and even normie at this point, what more do they want?
>>737996518I played through Persona 4 on vita a while back (no true ending), and couldn't finish P5, and I agree with this. Persona games had and could have much more mature themes and character.
>>737996518>As a semi-normieWhy are scum like this using this site? Go away to r*ddit you loser.
>>738010957Does FFXIV do this as well?
>>738011289The best part of this schizo's ramblings is that he took this one from a scene where the characters literally talk about how DEI doesn't work, he just can't tell because his English is terrible
>struck a nerveYeah, the retards seething here are all FFcultists.
>>737995507>make main character look like girl>give it male body and male voice actorwe must appeal to wider audience sama-san
>>738011289Doesn’t it do the whole equity not equality shit?
>>737996785>>737996518>these morons completely missing the purpose of the high school settingFor fuck's sake. IT'S THE GIRLS. The games are set in a high school because girls are at their hottest when they're 14. There's nothing else to it.
>>737995507Been playing SMTV recently and that game is already "wide audience" -slop. I don't know what more they could do to make it more palatable for the gun and ball gamer.
>>738011078That's the only thing the SEAs that got into P5 on PC are playing for
>>737995645THEY ALREADY HAVE THATITS CALLED RAIDOUTHE REMAKE CAME OUT RECENTLY AND YOU IGNORED ITPLAY IT YOU SCUMSUCKING NEWFAGGOT
No-one will remember your game if it's made for a wide audience.
>>738011009Japanese people dont have the souls required to write something like disco elysium. A character like cuno could never emerge from a JRPG.
>>738011405I don't want game characters talking about DEI or diversity or any of that shit even to criticize it. It should simply not exist at all. Same for feminism.
>>738011563There's an npc that tells the mc about how equity started and it devolved into racewars lol. Metaphor is very smart with addressing that stuff.
>>738011804Don't play an RPG with writing that has anything to do with society then Nintendo is where you want to be
>>738011678Well, they are retarded.
There will be more time between Persona 5 and 6 than GTA 5 and 6.Except Persona is made of animated portraits of 5 frames in the bottom left, while the models are doing basic animations.They use the same combat system they made since Persona 3, a 20-year-old game.The story is still shit because it's basic shonen core where characters become retarded when the story loses steam.Persona is an overused formula that lost its steam once jrpgs stopped being new, the only way to salvage this is to cut costs and shit mainline game every 6 months
>>738011746Yeah no one remembers call of duty lmao
>>738011960All inspiration comes from life.Everyone's experiences and knowledge is a direct result from their personal feelings causing friction with reality. There is no escaping this.
>>737995507Matthew 7:13-14
>>737995507"Wider audience" is code for DEI
>>738012005I don't get why you're still pining for persona 6 when it's just going to be another poor emulation of p5 like p3 reload from zoomer devs that don't know how to make an rpg from scratch if it ever does show up
>>738011894I'd say the best part of metaphor is that the people of the towns tend to call out the party's mantra of trying to help everyone as idealistic and not really feasible. Even at the end of the game when you get to walk around the capital there's a bunch of people who comment on how even though you've become the king not much has really changed yet and they don't expect much to happen.
>>738012009The only one that people remember is MW2 because it controversybaited with the no russian mission. All other cod games just bleed together.
It’s always funny seeing people play Persona 4 for the first time and have aneurisms because it says working for the family business is good, actually.
>>737998216I did, and I regret it. Fucking piece of shit game.
>>737995629>By giving zoomers and millenals what they enjoyMore gay people, ugly black girl bosses, furry shit, live service crap, white men evil?
>>737995507A switch port, duh
>>737996571I don't know, I liked both base p4 and p5 better than their respective "enhanced" editions.Haven't played Metaphor yet.
>>738012115because it's the next mainline entry and the only "original" thing we'll get since SMT5.No one has any hopes for atlus, that's why they scrape whatever they can from the franchise by pimping persona 5 to every mobile game in existence and remaking games from their golden era.They'll squeeze this dry then most likely shut down, a shame since they made great games over great games in the ds/3ds era
>>738012005Honestly why has atlus not done the next persona yet? Persona 5 was beloved and sold a bunch of copies. Are the japanese simply retarded and allergic to giving customers the things they want? Feels like the same sort of thing as them never releasing their anime and manga outside their little island despite a massive potential consumerbase, and then complaining about how everyone pirates their anime.
>>738012119That's really the whole game and not just the NPCs, but you do have supporters that know full well you aren't being realistic but they think their chances are better voting for someone with that kind of ideology vs. someone that wants to radically alter peoples' lifestyles with a bunch of armchair leftist shit when living conditions are dogshit and the igniter market is basically a crisis
They can do anything they want, as long as it has an anime artstyle normies will flee from it as if the sky was falling. Outside of 1 or 2 popular/overrated anime they can not and will not care when they see that art style
>>738012323>Honestly why has atlus not done the next persona yet?I personally believe they can't mix the DEI bullshit with their personal vision. This "expand for a wider audience" completely transforms your product into slop. Persona is like Atlu's baby.
>>738012317Oh so you're a schizoid fuming mad because metaphor didn't flop and culturally appropriated a dead dungeon crawler series, got it
>>738012213As a haru enjoyer the fact she received actual screentime was a huge bonus. Overall I liked strikers and dont understand why it flew under the radar as much as it did.Now tactica was actually shit.
>>737998151I will now play your game
>>738012453>As a Haru enjoyer
>>738012453>why it flew under the radar as much as it didBecause it's entirely different genre, like releasing a sequel to cowadooty but now it's a sportsball game.
>>738011009>>738011768>t.
>>738012539Forgot to add, it released as standalone on pc BEFORE THE FUCKING MAIN GAME, that was a brilliant move from Sega.
>>738012323>has atlus not done the next persona yet?because they don't have the talent, it's really simple, ever since P5, they went into trouble at every corner, trying to get fucked by Sega, then they did nothing but remakes and re-releases, SMT5 got stuck into dev hell, Metaphor was good but they tried to change from the persona formula, by making a textbook persona game, now they have no idea what to do.>>738012427I don't get how you deduced that, Metaphor was a success and the company isn't in trouble for now, but you can only rely on P5 for so long before you go under
>>738012517She has a nice outwards personality that conceals a shade of sadism and potential insanity beneath the hood. I really enjoy her character, it's a damn shame she was introduced so late.
>>738000031Used to be the case. Currently though? No.
>>738012349I mean aside from Louis who they had to write as comically evil in the last second to justify killing him, the other candidates were so unrealistic there wasn't even a choice.>I'm going to make it so everyone can get drunk>I'm going to kill all the ugly people so only beautiful people are left>I'm going to hunt the wealthy, oh wait those wealthy people aren't oppressing my tribe maybe we shouldn't attack them without reason>I'm not even in it to rule I just want to sell my gauntlet runners
>>737995507Maybe they should remake it 4 times in 3 different genres so people have options on how they want to play.
>>738012251Yes. I'm sorry the World moved on and left you behind.
>>738012624calling me a communist while hitting me with terveisin? Unforgivable behavior.
>>738011745I'm waiting for Raidou remake Super though, fatlus. You can call me retarded but you can't say I don't get simple patterns after enough examples.
>>738012778
>>738012931>funniest estradiolbrain
>>737995629Yay, John Persona-Man is in Fortnite now and the kids want to play him even though they have no fucking idea who he is
>>738012871Is the world better now?
>>738013048No, because evil white men keep ruining it. The sooner we get rid of them, the better.
>>738013035Vittu täräytänkö?
Persona 6 will have a university/office setting.Japs are finally starting to face reality.
>>737995507I'm not interested in playing Persona. I already tried an entry and have concluded it's a terrible series made for a very specific type of loser.I didn't even try Metaphor because they just made Persona again. If Fatlus wants their RPGs to reach a wider audience maybe they should stop making all of them Persona-lite.
>>737995507>"Get woke, get rich"What could possibly go wrong, heh?
>>738013198Persona is for the "I'm such an edgy Pokémon player that needs dating sim in their high school power fantasy monster catcher that deals with "adult topics" in an "Immature Way" as it reflects the growth of my personal character from an edgelord into a responsible adult!" in short its just a coming of age story.
>>738013097I asked a serious question faggot, if you are just going to make jokes, and quibs I'm done.
>>738012834My biggest gripe with metaphor is that it didn't deviate away from the biggest weakness of the persona games. That being the weak chickenshit shounen writing. If they actually wrote the plot for adults, all of the political and racial diversity stuff probably would have been interesting.
P5X has another forehead character.
>>737995507Why? cause they get greedy? its a niche game thats (relatively) not very expensive to develop so it makes a profit from its decent few mil sales. Trying to make it bigger is a mistake.
>>738013356The world of Marathon is so cartoonish and exaggerated that any commentary it has of real world issues is pretty hollow. It’s similar to The Outer Worlds in that regard.
>>738013356Every JRPG franchise has juvenile writing: Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Xenoblade, Trails... I don't know why would you expect from Atlus anything different.
>>738013941>Every JRPG franchise has juvenile writingI know, which is why it would be such a fresh thing to actually kick off a JRPG frachise with adult writing. There is an empty niche right there, waiting for someone to do it.
>>738014109Define adult writing>Hurr durr drugs and sex and hook ups and sex and taxes and adultery and drugs and onlyfansAmerican "adult" writing everyone.
>>737995507By releasing a new game once every 2-3 years instead of ports on ports on remakes on ports of remakes on re-releases on spin-offs. Persona 5 is over a decade old, SMTV is five years old, and Metaphor is closing in on two years, and the only thing we know they're working on is a pointless remake of P4.
>>737995507Stop being a pussy and finally make college age Persona.
>>738014393Never.
>>737995507no way you can make Fatlus larger LMAO
>>738014393Fuck that
>>738014317Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>738010818From my outside perspective it looks like everyone who enjoyed metaphor was under like mass psychosis.>absolutely hideous visual presentation>woke as fuck story>furshit>most of the characters look gay or like insane leftists with purple/blue hair>clearly AI generated textures(atlus says it uses AI)>otherwise it's just an uglier Persona graphically speakingI don't see the appeal AT ALL.
>>738014589Just say you didn't play it. We can tell.
Reminder that your favorite JRPG franchise is inferior to Persona games. Tribalists will never recover.
>>737995507>play persona 4 at 16>love it>play persona 5 at 19>barely tolerate it and end up hating the whole cast by the end>play persona 3 reload at 21>be profoundly bored by every single interaction and character because I already know what are they going to say 10 minutes before they do because it's all nothing but anime tropes and retarded highschool relationshipsthese games are made for teenagers and japanese manchildren, yakuza 7 mogs all of persona, will try shin megami tensei 3 because I heard it's low on story and mechanically interesting
>>738014643/thread
>>738014589>chatgpt, write a post about metaphor from the perspective of an upset southeast asian
>>738014317>Define adult writingCrime and punishment by dostojevski?
>>738014780Anon, please. You've never read it. Also>Muh Russian depressed nihilismGrow up.
>>738014643Anon-kun...
>>737995507add good stories and full voice acting
>>738014317something that tries to explore an aspect of the human experience in an interesting way, following cookiecutter 40 year old anime tropes that serve as a power fantasy for teens and hikkikomoris is not interesting unless you belong to one of those two groups.
>>738014843Slaughterhouse five by vonnegut?
>>738014317Adult writing is something written vaguely enough with little point to it that you can say whatever you want to about it and sound as smart as you want with minimal risk of being openly contradicted by someone else that read the same thing.
>>738014317>Define adult writingExpedition 33
>>737995507They just need to release another Persona, only boomers care about SMT.
>>738014914Sophomores read that in high school.
>>737995507Stop making the same recruit demons crap every game, solved.
>>738014930I fully expected metaphor to piss all over this game, I just didn't realize by how much after how big the e33 shilling was
>>738014995what metaphor character is memorable to you and why?
>>738014930>french melodrama soap opera with FF Tactics Advance endingKEK
>>738015085Most of them are because they have high quality character stories and there's a point to them being in the game. More than can be said for almost the entire E33 cast
>>737995507Put a dating sim to attract lonely nerds. That's literally it. People act like Persona 5 got popular because of 'muh stylish jerpg' but literally all you have to do is stick a waifu simulator and not have your gameplay be complete ass.
Didn't Metaphor do pretty fucking good for being a new IP
>>737996318>A detailed character creator would be appreciatedI get the feeling this is a complete waste of effort in JRPGs. When you get the freedom that protagonist is mute and lead around by other characters like WKC, for example. It's just not worth it for the genre.
>>738015227Persona is not a "waifu simulator" series, nigger. Romance is less than 5% of the game. It's less than 1%.
>>737996518Sounds like you want the mainline SMT games.>1. I'm not a teenager, I don't care about high school drama.>3. Visual novels are boring.>4. Literal hours of cutscenes at the start of the game before you even get one single taste of actual gameplayNone of that happens in SMT.
>>738015293In case you were actually unaware the bait article from OP came out of a game informer interview hashino did last year where he talked about overhauling how Atlus as a company makes RPGs which is something he's been talking about since before metaphor even came out
>>738015293Yes. There is no mythical wider JRPG audience they're fishing for. What Atlus doesn't want to acknowledge is people caught onto their bullshit of releasing definitive editions later down the road, primarily so they can port shit to underpowered Switch, so now people just wait hurting those initial sales. You reap what you sow, fuckers.
>>738015203the cast of E33 is extremely small specifically because each one is used with a very specific purpose in mind, Meanwhile metaphor has endless conversations with not very interesting people, even discount reinhard von lohengramm gets ruined at the end when his actual plan is revealed to be just nuking everything because he's eeeeeeeevil
>>737996962what the fuck is going on in SEA
>>738015294>you CAN'T have VA options for the MC!
Metaphor was fine. Browns won't stop seething because of the lack of dating simulator elements.
>>738015227But P3 and P4 didn't pull nearly as many normalfags. It really was the stylized UI and faux-nigger vocals that did them in.
Can they just stop making slop and go back to making SMTs? V wasn't my favorite but it's still the best RPG released in the past like 6+ years by a lot
>>738015405This is probably the thousandth time you've said this but sadly you'll never win people over because anyone that actually plays RPGs is not adverse to reading like E33 cultists are
>>738015293Yes. It sold a couple of millions. Somehow it captured the attention of some hyper autists spergs and now it's eternally shitposted by him/them.
>>738015227If you want a dating sim go play Final Fantasy.
>>738015393Oh. Yeah, I guess I didn't know that. Thank you.>>738015404I'll admit that I have a fascinating history with Atlus. I jumped on when P3 and P4 were huge back in the day, right? But I jumped on when FES existed, so I didn't know this was a thing they liked to do. Obviously Golden wouldn't exist for a while and I figured that was just to move the handheld it was on. Despite the fact that I should have probably picked up on it, I got P5. Beat it. Royal came out much later and then it just kinda dawned on me that Atlus actually genuinely takes their audience for granted.
>>737995507>a wider audiencethat's not good
>>738015521You can date Barret in Rebirth?
>>738015482It's funny because the E33 devs who are nothing like their audience liked metaphor enough to collab with it and le director liked Louis enough to mention him specifically
>>738015554>Didn't get the Cloud sucking Barrets BBC scene
>>738015726>straightest jeet
>>738015293>Didn't Metaphor do pretty fucking good for being a new IPAtlus is complaining that the genre is too niche and stale, so they are definitely not satisfied with sales figures. The game was in full production for eight years, so it's likely that they still haven't broken even yet.
>>738015910>ass: talken out of
FemMC
>>738015910On the other hand, every single word in this post is a lie
>>738015910>lying on the internet
>>738015554>You can date Barret in Rebirth?The "date" with Barret is just bro night.
>>738014317Some people miss the point and say that writing about "adult themes" like war, drugs, sex, relationships and whatever else means a story is for adults. This ends up with delusional weebs thinking Naruto or whatever anime they watch is for adults because it covers themes they don't see in western cartoons. But the theme doesn't matter, what matters is how you tell it. Childish writing will openly treat you like a moron because that's what kids and teens are. Characters will plainly state their motivations and feelings, and will keep repeating it. Conflict will often come from kids behaving like kids to be more relatable, for example someone afraid of losing popularity at school or struggling with their new found sexuality by freaking out near the opposite gender. Anyone over 20 will be treated as ancient and unrelatable, probably out of touch characters, mentor figures, villains and more.>>738015197You didn't counter his argument. French melodrama soap opera sounds exactly like a story written for adults. Written for adults doesn't necessarily mean good (and written for kids doesn't mean bad) but it is the kind of thing children would find boring.
>>738016267>Anon says Persona is childish because teenagers act like teenagers.>Anon says the writing is childish because characters directly state their motivations instead of leaving them unclear to be "deep".
>>737995507Go back to why P3+4 was successful: It was a, relatively, small scale game using good (but at the time almost "literally who") voice actors with its demons recycled almost 1:1 from SMT3, DDS and Raidou. Hell, P4 copied P3's style almost 1:1 and it was great for it.Most importantly: Fuck the West. Translate it, sure, but don't care about them as much. West doesn't like their high school fantasies. Japan does. Barring Persona 2, every Persona game has had a high school setting.
>>738013941door thirteen
>>738015910Atlus is finding out the hard way that only boomers enjoy turn slop and that Persona 5 was only popular due to the Japanese teenager dating mechanics.
>>738015294People don’t mind it in FFXIV, but having more choice is nice too
>>738017037Except P3 and P4 didn't have nearly the same success with normalfags. It was the meme UI and the nigger vocals.
>>738016427>Anon says Persona is childish because teenagers act like teenagers.No, it's childish because it's only truly relatable to children. Adults don't have the same struggles and will find the writing boring. Just like writing about the struggles of being an average salaryman will be boring to teens.>Anon says the writing is childish because characters directly state their motivations instead of leaving them unclear to be "deep".Nothing to do with depth and I'm not even talking about Persona but more in general. Most JRPGs will have characters repeating the same things over and over because they think you're a moron with ADHD who will miss details if they're not repeated, and will over explain things anyone could figure out for themselves. Dialogue like (gross exaggeration before you say anything):>We must stop the villain from gathering all the power crystals!>What? The villain got the power crystals?>Yes! The crystals which are called power crystals because of their incredible power!>Are the crystals really that powerful?>Yes! In the ancient war of whatever the evil faction used the incredible power of the power crystals to...I remember playing the demo to the recent Trails remake and during the first hour at least it was full of over-explaining repetitive dialogue like that even just talking about the exam. I swear you could cut half of the dialogue and nothing would be lost. Hell, the game could start in the tutorial dungeon and you'd still be able to infer everything from context.
>>738011621This man understandsAnyone who wants Persona to take place in college or a workspace full of hags is a gay retard
>>738017137You have your games mixed up. Lotus Juice is in P3 and 4, he didn't do any vocals for P5.
>>738017276LJ is rapping, but he sounds like an asian rapper. The vocalist in P5 is trying to actually sound like a negress.
>>738017264>it's childish because it's only truly relatable to children>Adults were never children so they can't relate.>I am super smart btw (I can't roleplay).
>>738017264There is nothing more childish than the desire to be seen as mature. You pretentious loser.
>>738015554You could date Barret in the original.
>>737995507Let it die.Let the fucks in charge fuck it up. They're paid for it. I am not.
>>738011621This. Get this through your demoralized heads. Nobody wants to date ran-through hags except losers.
They should drop everything and focus on etrian odyssey
>>737995507A wider audience? why?These games are made on a literal shoestring budget, selling 1 million copies is enough to recoup costs.
>>738017446Take that antisemitism down a notch.
>dude i have a secret plan>i like older women and will ask a teacher out on a date>i'm going to ask her out>i asked her out>i'm going out with her>the teacher convinced me to go to cram school>i want to marry the teacher>big surprise dating a teacher has consequences>oh no turns out i misunderstood the whole thing>i want a girlfriend, but i want you to know that you're my friendPersona's high quality writing.
>>738018009>Implying that's not funny as fuck.Have you ever thought that you might be a bitter cynic asshole?
ITT:
valuing profits over artistic authenticity is just what companies should do to survive
>>738013356To be honest I don't think modern Japan is capable of adult writing anymore. Or management won't let them. Or both. Most, perhaps even all, of their 18+ rated media (that aren't just straight up pornography) should be like 14 at the absolute highest. Although this is really true for the west as well to a large degree.
>>738018186I can hardly wait for you boomers to turn on Atlus after they switch to action based combat. The melt down will be glorious.
>>737996518>Literal hours of cutscenes at the start of the gameBraindead zoomer tik tok addict spotted. Can't even sit straight for 10 min and watch a cutscene
>>737996785Jock who peaked in highschool is a pretty common trope
I played Persona 3 Reload and 80% of the dialogue literal shit that will bore you to death. What made those retards think I'll enjoy doing shit like studying and exams? As if they're grooming perfect corpo slaves that will do mindless garbage for hours, no wonder them suicide rates are so high.
>>737995645>Demake kys
>>738017341>I am super smart btw (I can't roleplay).I'm not smarter than the average. All I'm saying is that kids haven't fully developed their brains yet which shouldn't even need saying, so writers have to make things more explicit and redundant.>Adults were never children so they can't relate.We can, but to me being around teenagers IRL they are insufferable. Spending hours and hours reading dialogue where it's teenagers talking to each other sounds like hell. Again, just like it must be hell to them to read hours and hours of boring adults talking about office drama instead of school drama.>>738017397I don't desire to be seen as mature and I don't know why you're defensive as I didn't say stories for children are bad. I love Dragon Quest and that is a very childish series that does treat me like a moron, again because of the target audience. But I also like E33. Both series can talk about the same thing, for example, how to deal with death, but they will do it in very different ways since as I said the theme is not what defines if it's childish or not but the way it's told and dealt with.
>>738018413>after they switch to action based combatThe Raidou games are already a thing
>>737995507interesting conclusion to reach, wasn't his "wider audience" targeting metaphor a huge flop compared to the "very explicitly for the japanese audience" persona games?
>>737995645>just let Michael Jordan play baseball bros, he'll be good at it, he's so athletic!this is what people sound like when they want RPG devs to make action games.
>>738001326which is odd because everyone knows its Tae.
>>737995507So why didnt they add romance to metaphor? Im sure that would have attracted a lot more people
>>738014109Persona 2
>>737995507So just persona clones with with even worse writing?
Western normies want Persona to be about angry and jaded 40 year olds without any aspect they find creepyCurrent Persona players just want Kimi ni Todoke but with some action here and there
>>737995507By letting me fuck my fairy wife.
>>738020840western normalfags will win in the end. you'll see.
>>738020840>Western normiesThe loudest faggots on xitter aren't "normies."
>modern audienceRIP Atlus I guess, enjoy being liquidated.
>>737995507>wider audience>how we can evolve our jrpgThey are speedrunning their evolution directly into extinction hahahahaha.
Better than your favorite game.
>>737995507The only selling point of a JRPG is it wastes 60+ hours of your life so its good for depressed people who need an elongated distraction, this is also why they are always dogshit.Turn based combat is fucking boring, If you have turn based combat you better rank among an all time top 10 story in videogames + anime or its going to play like a hyper stretched out mediocre anime series, of which there are hundreds per year that nobody wants to watch, let alone crawl through at an excruciating pace. The novelty of walking around anime environments and listening to shitty fetch quest dialogue wore out 20 years ago.A huge blocker is the existing fans basically don't want gameplay, they want a marginally more interactive visual novel with no friction and their standards are in the toilet as long as there's dating sim shit it in. Fixing this is basically impossible because they have specced completely into strengths other than game design, they are like the polar opposite of capcom.
>>737995507Translation:"We (the Atlus team) got assigned a new middle management boss from the Sega side, they really like numbers going up and have no respect for our success in a specific niche, so I guess our next game better do big numbers or we go bust/through some 'restructuring' or such".
>>738018391Its mostly about what their staff are into. Japanese nerds grow up consuming Shonen shit and it rots their brain, in America they watch capeshit and that also makes them awful, stunted writers.I don't think japan even has a culture around novelists and reading because their language is so retarded it needs picture aids to communicate effectively. The few who write interesting shit are still juvenile coomers but they are at least influenced by less mainstream manga, movies and golden age anime like evangelion the way kojima and yoko taro are.
>>737995507dunno, no matter how many times she turns around I don't think anyone will notice
>>737995507Take a break from Persona. I mean from the spin offs, and all their new games trying to be like Persona. Bring back older titles and do something interesting with them. Snow board Kids hasn't been touched in decades. Make new shit in general. Sega won't do this because they like milking shit to the ground
>>738023345>Snow board Kids hasn't been touched in decades.There's a good reason for that.
>>738023441There's definitely room for potential to revive this IP and make it not suck. Or hell, make a new sequel to Trauma Center. The problem is all these CEOs are too worried about taking a risk and not making a profit out of it, so of course they're going to keep making design choices that are boring and safe.
>>738019898We must go wider. WIDER!!!
>>737996962no way this shit is real ...right?
>>737995507>Fatlus needs a wider audienceCan they get any wider though?
>instead of Project RE Fantasy we got diet Persona without the elements people likedthere was no point in making that shit over P6
>>737995507This is somewhat true and sad because 99% of "gamers" nowadays don't own anything but their shitty phones. If anything they'll have to try to develop their future games with this limitation in mind.
