20 years later, are they still the peaks of the medium?
>>738007913I'd say SG is still unsurpassed as far as grounded science fiction goes. Muv Luv is decent.
Should I try reading moege?
>>738008407Moege tends to start off well and become increasingly boring in my experience.
>>738007913ML does not hold up. There's a reason why nobody talks about anything except for the chomp anymore.
Rance is better than both of those series.
>>738007913I don't know anyone who still cares about muv luv anymore
>>738007913According to /vn/ the peaks are Muramasa and Umineko now apparently.
>>738007913No.
>>738009002Those are just the ones that get shitposted the most.
>>738009002>>738009012That's still just kind of splitting hairs over stuff that's all must-read anyway.
>>738009221Every vn in this thread so far is a must read but only Rance, Muramasa, and maybe Fata Morgana are good.
I will never read Umineko
English mystery VNs on Steam from the past few years:>Beyond R: Rule Ripper>Birth ME Code >Blankspace>Clean Slate>CORPSE FACTORY>Decide 4 God (Out now in full 1.0)>Detective Instinct: Farewell, My Beloved>The Divine Deception>Entropic Float: This World Will Decay And Disappear>The Game of Fourtune>Head AS Code (remake)>Look Inside>Methods: The Canada Files>Methods: The Detective Competition>The Price of Flesh>Quantum Suicide>Reaplaced>Shards of Chaos>The Specters Desire>SYNESTHESIA>Tead>Thief's Roulette>Whispering Memories>The Zodiac TrialEnglish mystery VNs on Steam that are to-be-released:>The Lost Delinquents of Rollings High>Motives: The Ultimate Problem>NO MORE WORK FOR ITO>Ubel>Underground22>The Wonderland Killings
I AM THE BONE OF MY SWORD
>>738009443Not a single one of these look good.
>>738007913Both are overrated as fuck, I gave both a fair shot and ended up dropping them.
>>738008679This, and the more chad the MC is the better the visual novel.
>Hentai Prison and Tokyo Necro forgotten already Sad.
>>738007913I don't get the hype with Steins;Gate. Do I need to be autistic to get it?
>>738007913Not video games
Has mages gone under yet? Every project seems to be in development hell these days
>>738009390you missed out anyway if you weren't reading it when witch hunt was still doing the translations. back when the fanbase was a lot less cringe.
>>738010221they are still alive somehow even though I heard they were insolvent. Maybe they got a loan somewhere
>>738007913More like peak reddit
>>738009002Umineko is so long and annoying that anyone who got through it *must* be a superfan, even though it's utter dogshit 99% filler.
>>738009997A bit, yes. S;G is good if you are earnestly into otaku culture.
>>738009997S;G hasn't aged well in my opinion, it doesn't hold up unless you were there in the few years after its release when time travel hype was at its peak.
For me, it's Little Busters.
>>738010960It’s still the best constructed time travel story (actually about time travel, not just a plot device or setup for fish out of water or something) in any medium. Unless you have others you think are better
>>738007913uncslop, both
>>7380079135 greatest VNs of all time1: Cafe Stella2: Riddle Joker3: Senren Banka4: Angelic Chaos5: Other VNs are mediocre
>>738011507>uncslopSo better than anything from the last 10 years?
>>738007913quick, explain what the title "muv luv" means and why that is the title to a complete non-weeb non-gamer.hard mode: do it in one sentence
>>738011379My problem is more with time travel itself. It usually feels cheap and S;G doesn't do a good job with most issues that crop up from time shit like a lack of real consequences.
>>738007913Not after you read your third visual novel.
>>738013547I actually think it does a great job of feeling consequential and remedying inherent time travel story issues. The whole attractor field, single active worldline, and limitations to their time travel functionality avoid the issues of being easily able to solve problems and being too freeform with the timeline, multiple timelines cheapening everything, losing any firm grounding in the events or setting. The combination of the butterfly effect but with huge, nearly immovable significant events is intuitive and makes every little action significant in a chain in unravelling a huge knot. Every dmail becomes a herculean task to undo. They’re hugely consequential
I don't know a single thing about Stein's Gate. What's the goal? What are they trying to do? Most time travel stories are trying to prevent some some of disaster.
>>738007913Sumika best girl
>>738007913Does anyone know where I can get the fakku 18+ DLC patch for Maitetsu?
>>738007913>are they still the peaks of the medium?They never were.
>>738007913the best VN made is EXTRAVAGANZA
>>738015151A dystopia but mostly when it comes to Steins Gate it doesnt mean anything at all.
>>738017473The dumbest part is that when they avert the dystopia during the climax they immediately get shifted to a WW3 timeline which they then also avertAll of this just comes out of nowhere and doesn't feel like it means anything because it just gets easily erased anyways.
>>738007913
>>738007913Both are shit.
>>738007913Read more
>>738018319There is foreshadowing, and it feels significant, as it is directly related to he inciting incident of the story that we had never gotten the full details of until then, and it wraps a thematic bow around everything
When does pic related get good?
>>738019892>it feels significantIt really doesn't since it's a massive problem that disappears as conveniently as it showed up.
>>738020828A clever solution doesn’t need to be trying, but it also requires a lot of precise timing and coordination, with the MC having to improvise and take on for the team. And again it was foreshadowed. We know that she tried to give her research to her dad. Pandora’s box was still kicking around, unaccounted for in that worldline
>>738020227At the end
>>738011507obsessed with generations. obsessed. no one before you was. your whole psyche is owned by tiktok, unconscious subhuman.
>>738007913Isn't Alternative like 20 hours of SOL before the plot actually starts?
>>738009889Henpri has no right being that fucking good when its basically juvenile sex jokes half the damn time but man it had me laughing. There's also the strong cast of supporting characters too. It was great. Can't wait for their next product.
>>738007913MLA is overhyped dogshit that has been all but forgotten at this point (seriously, show me one zoomer who has read it). On the other had, S;G is a timeless classic.
>>738009889>Tokyo Necro forgotten alreadyI'll never forget>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8JuPPO04QI
>>738007913nuh uh
>>738021839Speaking of which, which are the side stories wprth reading? I see there a bunch like SG0 and SG My Love or something.
>>738021920Based
>>738021920baste
>>738021920my negro
Like RPGs and many other good things, VNs are relics of a bygone era that are almost completely dead. It sucks, but time marches on and leave you behind.
>>738022421>Duck: "Like RPGs and many other good things, VNs are relics of a bygone era that are almost completely dead.It sucks, but time marches on and leave you behind.">Champion Duck: "....No."
>>738009443Some of these look good.
>>738021920Name? I tried looking up black pantyhose and mecha tags on VNDB but couldnt find it
>>738015864superelmo on sukebei
>>738022945Bro? That's full metal daemon. The GOAT vn.
>>738021920>killing is le badNice game Muramasacucks.
>>738007913>muv luv is over 20 years oldBros...
>>738023756>literally everything in the series aside from Alternative (and maybe Total Eclipse) has been kusogehungry tank-chan devoured the writing quality...
>>738009002>MuramasaObjectively true.>UminekoIt's without a doubt very entertaining, but as a story it's not very good desu, still a good read.
Is fata morgana good ? Its really overwanked all over youtube
>>738023014Lol no, faggot shill.
>>738009508MINE IS THE WAY OF THE SWORD
>>738023896answered your own question
>>738007913Yes because SG has best girl Mayuri in it.
>>738023574This must be bait, because I refuse to acknowledge that we might be living between "people" so retarded they're unable to understand Muramasa's message.
Is there someplace to find old VN's translated? I misplaced my fan translation of demonbane and can't seem to find it.
>Muramasakeks trying to ruin another threadSigh...
>>738024156
UBW > HF > Fate
>>738023574Steinscucks are mentally incapable of understanding or appreciating themes.
>>738024398nobody cares about fateslop lmao go away
>>738024398Only Shounentards favourite route is UBW
>>738024083Pretty sure most of the older VN download sites like Erogedownload are still up and still have their downloads in all their "part 1 of 14 at 50 kb/s" glory. Failing that more popular older VN like Demonbane are easy to get from nyaa or just a google search of "... English download"
>>738024616yours is HF isn't it?
>>738024553I care!
Only immature people get filtered by Muramasa.
>>738024704Of course, its called having taste
>>738007913>Reddit;Gate
>>738024080nta, but what's your interpretation of the game's message? (genuine question)
>>738008020fpbp
Read anon, read
>>738024398UBW > Fate > HF
>>738021920Name a more overrated VN.
>>738026372umineko
>>738026372higurashi or muv luv
>>738026372The two in the OP.
>>738026069Does anyone know where I can get Majikoi in Japanese? I've looked everywhere and I can only find the English version. I don't wanna have to buy a copy of the original Japanese version, it's like, triple the price of the English one...
>>738026024Relative morality or whatever it's called exists but it doesn't actually matter and you should still do what (You) consider good SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A MAN-SIZED SPIDER
>>738026538just find a copy on sukebei
>>738011946Where's Dracu Riot, Sanoba Witch, and Noble Works
>>738026372steins gate
Beat Al route of Demonbane the other day, that was really fun. Music was amazing as well. Can't wait to get to the other routes.https://youtu.be/H8lfy_5oG0c?si=PYMo8q-1qvD28mcQ
>>738026917Wrong and cringe.
>>738007913rapeGODs won
>>738026762can't find it there, only the sequels or whatever
>>738028036just go to chink sites and download [090828][みなとそふと] 真剣で私に恋しなさい!(mdf+mds).rar
>>738028180Will Sayonara no checklist ever be translated?
>>738007913Steins;Gate isn't the peak of anything.
I started reading fata morgana after finishing umineko, so far so good, I just wish it had voice acting, umineko VAs were so good.
>>738008020Watch or read literally anything other than anime holy shit
>>738007913No, the peak is probably Muramasa/Rance but they're up there for sure. Along with Dies Irae. Shame that S;G was lightning in a bottle and nothing from MAGES except maybe Chaos Child even comes close. Is it because the Nitro+ people were doing most of the heavy lifting? After A;C I'm convinced Chiyomaru cannot fucking write.
>>738026069What a hottie
>>738007913I'm thinking of reading (yes, reading, because visual novels aren't video games) Subahibi. Is it as good as some people say?
ENTER
>>738030708Like what?
>>738007913You posted the two most overrated things in the whole medium. Literally worse than DDLC.
>>738034470Whats the best VN
>>738035001Either Sengoku Rance or 999
>>738007913>are they still the peaks of the medium?new peak incoming
>>738035109Realistically, what are the chances of this being good?
>>738007913actually theyre both the worst thing ever. im so unique with my cool opinion.
>>738036495This but unironically
>>738009002I would place Muv-Luv above these two by a mile.
>>738035425I think the issue with Mages atm or whatever they're called is budget and not necessarily quality. So maybe with Steins Gate they can get a better budget going
>>738009012Fata was good, but it's interesting how it has zero presence between the Nips, same goes for Umineko, but a bit less.
>>738007913Umineko
>>738007913this is a pretty good VN
>>738007913I don't see Witch on the Holy Night on here
I read absolutely everything mentioned here a lifetime ago. Fucking v normies should've been gatekept.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI WISH I HADN'T PIRATED THAT VN
>>738038529Is there a better vn protagonist than Battler?
>>738009002Umineko is really bad and I consider it an excellent litmus test for finding people with good taste. If someone praises the music but points out the obvious gaping flaws in the story, they're a living breathing human worthy of interaction. If someone acts like the story is well written, the length is acceptable, and the constant asspulls are logical they are a smug retard and can be discarded.
>>738039567You've never read anything longer than a tiktok story,
>>738038919
>>738039684Your only counterargument is, "it's good because it's overwrought and puerile?" Haha, sure.
>>738007913Not even close, there's a lot of VNs out there beyond the entry level reddit ones.
>>738039725Touko anons really are blessed, she's sex in every appearance
>>738026950They don't make them like Demonbane anymore
>>738011310LB! is still Key's best game and definitely one of the top 10 VNs of all time.
Never forget.
>>738026950I remember really liking this ending but I don't recall a single thing about Demonbane.
>>738040369they all lived though
>>738040624whats some lvdoge from 2025-26? last thing i played that was "recent" was sakutoki after rance 10
>>738040868That battle animated was the best part of the anime. The only good part, really.
>>738008020>SG is still unsurpassed as far as grounded science fiction goesIt's not even that good of a time travel story.
>>738039567This.Ryukishit is a hack especially for his notmystery slop that is praised by every single wannabe elitist
How much you like muv luv depends on how much you like the characters when reading Extra and Unlimited. If you didn't care and just wanted to get to the mecha stuff it's not going to hit the same. It's not supposed to be for everybody
>>738042185I liked Extra and Unlimited but I thought the mecha stuff was a complete slog after the CHOMP arc was over.
>>738042308I still liked it all the way to the end, I would say it was more rushed after the chomp than boring though
>>738007913Nope, Muramasa is better. MLA is garbage.
>>738038919Because it's shit.
>>738040435it was very formulaic, basically monster of the week formula, around 10 episodes each of build up. Understandable that you'd forget what happens.
>>738041290Name better time travel stories, any medium
>>738007913Clannad unironically blows both of those VNs out of the water.
>>738044129Magic Treehouse
>>738044129Dark
