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obviously WH? it isnt even close, the WH power creep is absurd
>>738015478Tbf SW universe can just mass produce clones and WH universe is heavily divided amongst itself and has Eldritch forces of evil actively undermining it. The SW universe could be the straw that breaks the camels back so to speak
>>738015378Warhammer ships can destroy entire biospheres and individual battles field more soldiers and material than are used in entire wars in star wars. Psykers and demons are also stronger than all canon force users, though obviously depending on where they fight, that could change.
>>738015727What is an Executor Super Star Destroyer?It's bigger than the battleships in Warhammer, and has more firepower.
>>738015378Warhammer 40k has regular machine guns? No blasters?
40k has ugly girls, Star Wars has hot babes. Star Wars wins
>>738015727The death star can blow up planets too and zabrakians are the psykers of sw. Also sw has smarter people.
Warhammer only wins in the elite infantry department.
>>738015378Yeah, even high ground won't help SW in this one.
>>738015378>Imperium tries to invade the Star Wars Galaxy>Warp does not exist there>cant use warp travel>cant use psionic ability>entire Navy is uselessGame over
>>738015685The SW galaxy is tiny compared to warhammer. At most around ten million clones were used in the clone wars, and a few tens of millions of droids. This is of course very stupid, but even taking more reasonable but non canon EU numbers, it still doesn't compare. At its maximum extent, the galactic empire had ~25000 ISDs, staffed and crewed by ~40000 people each, so one billion just for the standard capital ships. Considering infantry, space stations, the death stars, and terrestrial enforcers, there were probably 10 or 20 billion men in the imperial military. In 40K, there are trillions of guardsmen, and that's a very conservative estimate.
>>738016002>>738016091Short run designs that were so expensive that they pushed the empire towards economic collapse with just a couple of each built. Also, the death stars, while extremely impressive weapons even by 40K standards, required strip mining a unique planet of a non-replenishable resource.
>40k Imperium says progress and innovation is verboten>Star Wars has no such problems>get hands on power armor and 40k ships>reverse engineer them>Kuat, Fondor, Corellia and all the other shipyards and armor companies start shitting out mass produced Space Marine armorStar Wars wins again
Not even Revan could scratch his armor
>>738016532>he thinks power armor is what makes space marines powerfullollmao even
>>738016318Can the Imperium build a 19 Kilometer long battleship?>>738016486The Empire could build a dozen and have plenty of funds to spare for the death star project.
>>738016532That lightsaber is more ridiculous than kylo rens
>>738016620>reverse engineers the biological implants and geneseed too>improves them>makes Super Space Marinesa hyper autist society that forbids progress and research will always loose
>>738016849>reverse engineers the biological implants and geneseed tooi would agree but there is no precedent in starwars for this unlike the reverse engineering of ships and equipment so untill there is that option is off the table
>>738016551they dont need to
>>738015378that entirely depends on which universe the fight is set inif WH40K - there are more belligerent entities of a single faction alone than there exist sentient beings in the entirety of the Star Wars universe, plus they have Chaos gods, Necrontyr, and the Astronomican so obviously Star Wars would loseif Star Wars - the Force is God and defeats evil in the long run, therefore WH40K losesif a neutral universe where there is no Force or Warp hacks, Star Wars still loses because, again, any single faction - even the wimpy small ones like Eldar or Tau - has more members in it to fight than there are sentient beings in the entire Star Wars galaxy, making Star Wars lose by attrition by default; there are more Imperial Guardsman than all the battle droids and stormtrooper put together x10000, the power creep is totally unreal, absolute Lensman mechanics
>>738017021i mean we have the entire Kamino thing that is centred around mass-cloning.Plus the Palpatine clone and even more if we go into Legends territory.
>>738015378Warhammer>>>>>Star Wars>>>>>>>>>>Star Trek>>>Harry Potter>Dune>Lord of the RingsIn terms of power levels.
>>738015378unironically star wats solos it>better ships>better weapons>bigger armythe only thing that carry the WH are rhe spess muhrines and that's it
>>738016625>Can the Imperium build a 19 Kilometer long battleship?Yes, for example the Gloriana-class, which would shrug off turbo lasers like they weren't even there and could concievably survive a hit from the death star. >The Empire could build a dozen and have plenty of funds to spare for the death star project.If they could have, they would have. Palps twisted his economy way past its sustainable output for the lols
>>738017112cloning =/= superhuman genecrafting
>>738016625>Can the Imperium build a 19 Kilometer long battleship?you know that meme image of the super duper super star destroyer that's bigger than the death star and holds Executor super star destroyers in its hangar?the Imperium in WH40K has thousands of those, unironically, and mass produces death stars like they're cruise ships
>>738017084Yeah I agree with this, Star wars really can only beat WH40K around 20k to 39k
>>738017084>the Force is God and defeats evil in the long runDoes it though? Because if you really look at it objectively, the force seems to aim for stale mates
>>738017084in the neutral galaxy, i wouldnt be so sure. The Star Wars galaxy has a better life to offer to the 40k Imperium. Think the Tau recruiting humans with something as simple as better living conditions, but kicked into overdrive. 40k suffers constant non stop rebellions. If a Star Wars factions manages to actually unify them, 40k has a HUGE problems. And as it happens to be, united rebellions are Star Wars strong point
>>738017242no, the Imperium has not gorillions of them. You have no idea about 40k lore if you even think that. They have an extremely limited amount of Ships that go into the Executor size range and they are unable to build more of them.
>>738017242That's not actually true. Even the really huge cathedral ships aren't much bigger than an ISD, and the largest capital ships (of which there are at most a dozen) are on par with executor in size. That said, pound for pound, they are significantly stronger and WAAAY tankier.
>>738015378these two universes are incompatible due to contradicting concepts. you can pin star trek against mass effect for example because they're relatively equal, meanwhile warp and hyperspace and the force and psy powers contradict each other because both are supposed to be omnipresent.
>>738017414The Force is just realspace warp but sentient instead of random.
Reminder that the "giant, super duper horror meatgrinder" that was the Siege of Vraks had less Casualties in 19 years of warfare than World War 2 had in a fraction of that. im not kidding, look it up. 40k isnt half as large with numbers as secondaries make it out to be
>>738017414Plus 40K heavily makes use of the immaterium so we can't just say "disregard jedi and psykers"
Warhammer is less woke and has a cooler gun so he wins by default. Star Wars also brings to mind the Donkey/Vampire Bat hybrid looking grim visage of Kathleen Kennedy which is a major loss of points.
>>738017289but that wouldn't matter, because if the Imperium decided it wanted to control the entire galaxy, it could simply roll over all non-Imperials through a war of attrition, because it can spare theman AVERAGE planet in the Imperium has a population as large as Coruscant's, and that's without an ecumenopolis, but just a couple of hive citiesthe Imperium literally loses BILLIONS of citizens every hour of every day to conflict with its enemies across the galaxy and hardly notices because there are quintillions more behind it and further quintillions being bredand you want to put that into a "level" playing field where the Imperium isn't crippled by Chaos gods, tyranid swarms, or ork waaaghs? sorry, but Star Wars losesI don't say this out of preference for Warhammer - anything but - I'm just saying this is how 40K operates: with cringe grade-school sandbox "oh yeah well my character has infinity+1 shields that are immune to your anti-shield lasers!" logic oneupmanship
>>738015378The Galactic Republic/Empire is basically on the tech level of Tau on a much larger scale. The Imperium would probably win in the long run but it would be a closer math than a lot expect.
>>738016091Death Star was one small fly, There are thousands and thousands of battleships in WH40.
>>738015727>Warhammer ships can destroy entire biospheresWhat is Base Delta Zero?
>>738017414I know nothing of ME and ST but the mass effect boys look like they would rape the Star Trek dudes
>>738017576if the imperium goes full mobilization to roll over the entire galaxy, it would collapse the very same second because internal rebellions and uprisings would tear it apart. It needs all that manpower within its borders for a reason. That is not even mentioning that even gathering such a force would take some 50-100 years of prepreation
>>738017630The Imperium can't even make cyclonic torpedoes or produce battleships anymore. The tech to exterminatus a world or system is limited and finite in wh40k.
>>738017691listen lil bro, I like Star Wars better than 40k, but you're not going to win a power creep lore battle against a franchise that's built purely on hyperbole, it's comparing apples to anuses
>>738017859It doesn't matter. Imperium simply has much more of them.
>>738015378the empire would rape the imperium simply because they can safely travel through hyperspace
>>738017879the hyberbole comes from people who know the setting only from memes and youtube videos. Actual 40k isnt halfway as crazy as most posers make it out to be
>>738017691Something that took hours of sustained fire, as opposed to a single volley
>>738017879I'm just saying destroying a planet's eco system in a matter of hours is not unique to Warhammer. It was the Covenant's primary MO in Halo and the Romulan/Cardassian alliance did it to a Dominion planet in DS9.
>>738017928oh right I forgot that means if the Imperium was in Star Wars universe, Star Wars would win because the Imperium wouldn't have access to the Astronomican and warp travel would be impossible and they'd be too fucking stupid and xenophobic (even against humans) to grasp hyperspace, so their ships couldn't go anywhere except the slow way so even a small organization like the Rebel Alliance could take them out again however that only occurs if they are in the Star Wars universe, not their own or a neutral universe
>>738017949Exterminatus is performed with specialised munitions. BDZ is done with standard weaponry.
>>738015685It takes a decade for a batch of Clone Troopers to be ready for combat. They can't just generate Clones out of nowhere. They have to grow and train the fuckers.
>>73801795940K exterminatus doesn't take hours. You're not wrong about star trek, star trek ships are fucking eldritch abominations with 90s beige interiors, and the enterprise D could probably slag Terra. It's just star wars which is relatively weak, which is a good thing for its setting actually.
>>738017895Not really, every exterminatus is carefully considered. The mechanicum barely knows how to maintain the imperial navy. The Imperium is a crippled empire on it's last leg.
>>738015378Why DOESN'T the Imperium just clone humans?
>>738017959of course it's not unique to 40k, but 40k has many many many more options for doing ittyranids for example do it simply by existing
>>738018143I agree that SW isn't on par with 40K in sheer power, I just think the example of being able to sterilize a planet isn't an especially strong argument since almost every naval force in major sci-fi franchises can do it.
>>738017156Imperium has sheer scale and even their Guardsman are better than Storm jobbers.Star Wars does have far better ships though.
i believe the Imperium would struggle incredibly hard against the Rebel Alliance. The sheer mobility of the Rebel Fleet and even their Starfighters is utterly bonkers. The Imperium is incredebly strong, but it is also a slow behemoth. The Rebels could cause some serious damage in the Imperiums back line and cause massive damage against agri world and mining world resource shipments. And if they manage to infiltrate the imperiums hives and organize the disgruntled populace, shit is getting real serious.
>>738018360Yeah but Rebels look so lame
>>738018407Let me amend that. Rebel troops look lame, their fighter craft are sick.
>>738018187Clones in 40k (at least Imperium generated ones) typically don't 'work' right. Usually because they don't receive a soul. They do use clones for certain things, like cherub drones, where you're just going to lobotomize a meat sack and stuff it with cybernetics.
>>738018187Why would they ever need to? They can just recruit from loyalist planets.
>>738018407>>738018478>Rebels look lamewhy do so many turd-world America-haters love Star Warsthey're hardly any different from Colonial Marines in Aliens or any generic American army man from the past 80 years
Youre waifu a shit
so if the clones are sentient in star wars, why dont they just say no to being a soldier lol
>>738018517I'm not a lore expert but aren't "Blanks" highly sought after because they're unaffected by Warp influence?
>>738018360>ally with radical Inquisitors>get some Rogue Traders on their side>promise the radical AdMech to innotave and research to their hearts content>offer the imperial guardsmen and navy personell hope and not being treated as disposable meat>they are fucking everywhere among your organizations and populationthinking about it, the Imperium might actually have a much harder time against the Rebellion than they would have against Palpatines empire
>They need machines to destroy planetsHow cute
>>738018572So this looks better because they look like a proper army instead of a rag tag group of homeless bums who were handed guns.
>>738018572Most people think of the Tantive IV's dumbass looking security team when they think of Rebel soldiers.
>>738018657literally WWII US Naval uniforms, and it still looks based
>>738018572I think the issue comes down to the Lucas-era Rebels who generally seem like hardened combat veterans and look the part, and the Disney-era which looks like downtown San Francisco.
>>738018517Vat grown and clones are different. Cherubs (mostly) and Kriegers are vat grown and do alright. The clones of heroes of the imperium are cursed with bad luck. Lack of a soul barely means anything in 40k.
>>738018736
>>738018595A clone without a soul doesn't manifest in the same way as a blank. Sometimes blanks are described with no soul, but they are also often described to have a kind of negative soul. Which is why blanks can have a power level depending on how stronk their nega-soul is, like an anti-psyker.
>>738018736The navy is gay. Just like the rebellion is gay.
>>738018812the rebels looked alright in Rogue One, but Blandor is definitely bottom of the barrel
The ability of the ships in SW for FTL travel that is safe, reliable, and faster than 40k by several orders of magnitude would give them a huge advantage that the 40k verse could never adequately defend against.
>>738018407Rogue One rebel soldiers look like proper insurgents. They would blend in fine in some Hive World
>>738018947What would happen if a Rebel cell went up against a Genestealer Cult?
What I don't get about nu-40K is that if Gorbachev can tell all these bitches "You are accepting Primaris now, you are taking these weapons now, Mars is doing this now, fuck you" how come he can't do something actually practical like restoring the legion structure and having the army, navy, and marines all unified again? An attachment of 1 squad of SM would enable the otherwise same Guard Company to do way more than they can with their existing elite squads. The whole Imperium's military would be made stronger. Oh no the warboss has made an appearance and our Guard Company is barely holding out! Nvm, Assault Squad just jumped in from where they were waiting, did a decapitating strike and then jumped out and now we are mowing down greenskins by the dozens again.
>>738018538>Be factory worker on hive world #2422>Get conscripted into the guard>FML>Already brutal conditions traded for having to live in some fox hole filled with water with a commissar breathing down my ass>Fucking grots keep stealing our equipment in night raids>Fucking hell.jpg>A fly comes out of someone's ass and starts whispering to me.>Wtf.png>Says I can be free by embracing Nurgle>Embrace Nurgle because that commissar bitch killed my friendMany such cases.
>>738019046Depends on the timetable. The Rebels arent as hyper autistic as the Imperium, so once they figure out what Genestealers are and how they spread, they might develope some blood-sample device to uncover them. The question would be if it isnt already too late at this stage
>>738018947>proper insurgentsthey look like Vietnam-era US marineswhich, again, is based
>>738015378the guy on the left is like 3 meters tall at minimum
>>738018357>has sheer scale no it doesn't and most of the astra militarum are jobbers whose only work is being fodder>Guardsman are better than Storm jobbers.again not true, the troopers have better training and equipment, their spec ops forces also have better numbers than the assassinorum, this isn't even taking legends into accountthey also have better technology in general (weapons and armor)
>>738018947that's just standart issue real life helmets wtf why did they get rid of the iconic helmets from ep6? >>738018572
>>738018572What? American hater? The Empire is america and the rebels are the vietnam or whatever country getting colonized.
>>738015378Star wars would win based only on that their ships suck compared to other sci-fi, the only advantage they have is teleporting space marines onto vessels>b-b-b-but exterminatus!That is ether virus bombing planets or firing cyclonic torpedos, which is not that effective in void warfare
Mfw I accidentally touched a plague fly and now I infected a whole planet
>>738019102because they don't want entire legions falling to chaos like in horus heresy retard that's commond knowledge
>>738019365>The Empire is america and the rebels are the vietnam or whatever country getting colonized.>The EMPIRE of British-accented aristocrats relying on naval supremacy are America and the REBELLION of American cowboys and farmers with guns and fast ships getting help from mealy-mouthed alien FROGS are VietnamI think Star Wars was too subtle for you, did you know Aslan in Narnia is Jesus?
>>738019615You can Death of the Author the conflict into pretty much anything but boomer ass George Lucas intentionally wrote Space Vietnam in the 70s.
>>738019670there wasn't anything "vietnam" about the original star wars in 1977, let alone 1980, at most you can tie the Ewoks of Episode 6 into it, but the American Revolution analogues are so blatantly explicit that to deny them can be nothing more than gaslighting, you cannot get any more obvious without renaming Admiral Ackbar to General Rochambeau and calling Alderaan the Boston Massacre
>>738017050Not a WH fan, who is that?
>>738019976The corpse emperor.
>>738017947WH has cyber insects that devour planets and EMPs that can run through universes. There is also a virus that could hack all the droids in Star wars.
>>738019554You literally didn't even read the codex let alone Black Library to say this. Gorgeousman already has thrown out the codex limits and is literally Imperium Secundus'ing all over the place (like he did the first time, the perfidious man he is). He already is one Chaos Corruption away from the Imperium falling completely. If he's going to do that, he might as well make his army actually effective.
>>738019976The emperor basically physically died and is sitting on the throne while his body rots using psychic powers to prevent more demon shit from flodding in
>>738016625>Can the Imperium build a 19 Kilometer long battleship?Just a bigger target for cyclonic torpedos.On a side note it is sad how both franchises have declined so fucking hard.
>>738015378Warhammer and not even close, the better fictional empier that could stand a chance are the ones in Supreme commander since theyre roughly the same scale
>>738015378Everyone is talking about Star Wars or Warhammer, but nobody is talking about Ultimate Epic Battle SImulator 2, which is the actual game in the OP imageAnyway that game is an abandoned toy for seeing big stupid crowds slam into each other but nothing more.
>>738018635Gross
>>738020076>>738020239That's sad. Why is WH nothing but misery porn? This is why SW has been more popular and well received. WH would never get a TV show or movie simply because it's obsessed with dread and schadenfreude. George Lucas understood well why the hero's journey was so necessary to having your work be well received by the viewer.
>>73801631840k numbers are so retarded. Trillions of bodies in reserve but every battle is shit like "200,000 chaos worshippers attacked this planet and killed everyone in 3 days"
>>738016551But Horus can. And did.>>738015478True but also the logistics scale in SW is just as absurd just in the other direction, with the clone army being less than 10 mil. Thats not galactic scale, not even close: soviets had more troops by the end of ww2.
>>738019976John space, the creator of space marines (who are named after him).
>>738021176Sci-fi writers can't into scale
>>738021176Star Wars numbers are almost as retarded. We've had military battles on Earth with more combatants than the entire Grand Army of the Republic. Sci-fi is almost always retarded like that.
>>738018187Why would you invest your limited resources into making something you have no shortage of?
>>738021176the most important event in 40k's history was the siege of terra and the official numbers for it were like 500,000 traitors vs 500,000 loyalists, and somehow the death toll for it was in the millions (with singular primachs somehow getting kill counts in the hundred thousands), but the solar system had a population in the trillions, so in reality not even 0.1% of the population of earth died.
>>738015378Imperium of Man would nuke the shit out of the Sith Empire/Republic, here's why:>Dudes literally just running into your shit until they or their enemy dies.>Psykers (Force Users) are usually cucked in W40k as the lesser species.>Tanks, weaponry, aircraft, spacecraft even W40K's Imperium would beat the shit out of every Sith and Jedi for HERESY! and laugh about it without having to call in Ordo Malleus.
>>738020941>WH would never get a TV show or movieI pray every day that this continues to be the case.
>>738017859Where did you get the idea they can't produce torpedoes or warships? Do you know how often ships get fucked up in 40k? They can make them. There are ship building yards on many planets. They may have lost the ability to make certain kinds like how Storm Birds are no longer a thing because they lost the STC for them, but that's different.
>>738021772>We've had military battles on Earth with more combatants than the entire Grand Army of the RepublicI blame Karen Traviss. In AotC the Kaminoans say they have a number of "units" ready. It should have been assumed that clone troops are sold in batches of at least battalion size, but more reasonably in regiments or divisions. It was her article in SW Insider that laid out the "one unit=one clone" rule.
Trek > Wars > 40kI want a game where the TNG crew end up in the grim darkness of the far future.
>>73802119010 mil is still order of magnitude more than space marines.
>>738020941It's grimdark. The misery porn makes the good parts stand out more. The Emperor suffers on the throne, but his suffering keeps the hope of countless billions alive. He's Jesus on the Cross basically. Even suffering, he still finds a way to reach out all across the galaxy and save individuals.
>>738022172Isn't that what the mirror universe is for?
>>738022298The MU is Grim Stupid
Stargate Command could take all challengers.
>>738021254This isn't Halo
>>738018936>The ability of the ships for FTL travel that is safe, reliable, and faster by several orders of magnitude would give them a huge advantage that they could never adequately defend againstOld ones thought the same too.
>>738022172Is Star Trek really that op? I only know a few clips with a bald dude, chess played in 4D and shaka the walls fell
>>738021190Horus isn't Revan. Nobody in SW could even clash with him.
>>738019976A liar and a failure
>>738015378>>738015685clones are worthless, literal dogshit that can't aim, can't take a hit, can't do anything they're whack as fuck they're just numbersand a variety of 40k factions are also just numbers, that can takea hit, hit harder or have extra shit, and their numbers - for literally every faction outside of necrons - is magnitudes higherstar wars has a space advantage but that's it, it doesn't have a numbers advantage, it doesn't have a weapons or defensive advantage, in fact it falls behind in all those metricsbetter logistic capabilities is not enough to counter all that out
>Star Wars has Thrawn>Warhammer 40k Imperium has >Guilliman>The Lion>Rogal Dorn>The Emperor, yes the Emperor he is in play again and able to possess people, as he did Guilliman and burned Nurgles Garden>Custodes>Grey Knights>Space Wolves>Black Templars>One trillion, trillion, Guardsman>Mechanicus>Over a Million, Million ships in the Navy>Titans>Weird shit. >Star Wars has a Death Star that can destroy planets>Warhammer40k has Kryptman.
>>738022613none of 40k's ship weaponry outside of maybe the eldar/necron/blackstone fortresses can penetrate navigation shields
>>738022241No: SM number in the millions, granted thats still retardedly small. But they arent the primary fighting force, thats the guard.
Warhammer and it's not even close, and I say this as a Star Wars fan. Star Wars is an adventure for kids set in space made by a hippie Californian Buddhist in the '70s. It's technology and weapons are deliberately retro. Space battles were designed to look like WW2 movies dogfights. It doesn't have even 1% of WH40K insane bullshit that was designed by manchildren nerds to one up each other.
>>738016551revan isn't exceptionally powerful, he was a good strategist and a charismatic leader but that's about it.
>>738015378Would WH mistake the "force" as chaos?
>>738015378No contest. You know how the Empire has better ftl? Well they can hightail it out of this warp poisoned galaxy!
>>738023636there is no mistake about itburn the witch
>>738020239It's not his corpse. Emperor is fused with the throne.
>>738015378The only advantage star wars has is that the force isn't fucked up by chaos so a very strong sith or jedi could deal huge damage in a limited area. But Warhammer is willing to destroy planets on a whim.
>>738023479God this poster just radiates soul
>>738022941Sounds like a stalemate to me
>>738022106>Karen TravissThat's a name I've not heard in a long time.What's she up to recently? Last I heard she was helping ruin Halo.
>>738023479Luke morningstar looks quite nice here
>>738023997i'm surprised she was never tapped for a black library book. her brand of "my guys are the most special in the universe and better than all the others" autism is a match made in hell with sc chapters.
>>738023882All the original trilogy posters are ultra soulful.
>>738024358Luke should've ended up with Leia. Also! Do you have the last one? Return of the Jedi?
>shoots your Space Marinewhere is your emperor now, 40keks?
>>738024461
>>738024530No emperor:(The first poster mogs the rest
>>738022884Stormtroopers are not clones
>>738022919but thrawn and the emperor have been building ten billion billion star destroyers each with a starkiller base cannon hidden in the space around exegol (only accessible by special star map) and the emperor has absorbed the power of the force dyad of kylo and rey giving him infinite medichlorians AND the dead are speaking
The fuck lil' 40kiddy gonna do?
>>738026241In Star Wars defense, Halo is more technologically advanced. SW would be classified as Tier 2 by Halo standards
>>738026241>blocks your pathhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8obhySoWRLc
>>738019976God Emperor of mankind post Horus heresy. A corpse tied to the golden throne and kept "alive" by old world technology and the souls of a thousand psykers each day. Ironically, despite being a perpetual he can't resurrect himself yet because the chaos Gods would flood the universe and humanity would fall.
>>738020941>This is why SW has been more popular and well receivedExcept SW is misery porn too if you take the EU shit into account. If you think about it only droids have actual free will, everything else is just a slave to the whims of "the force".Both series used to be good but now have awful problems.Also at least in Warhammer while you can question the methods of the Emperor, he is an actual person who is trying not let extradimensional concepts and things like "fate" rule over reality.
>>738026628>>738020239So he's like Gwyn from dark souls?
>>738026956Not really. Gywn caused 99% of the problems in souls
>>738026956The God Emperor is more like GW attempt at making an in universe allegory for Jesus Christ, with some gothic/gore tech amalgamation mixed in.
>Tyranids snatch Nihilus
>>738015378*steps on a space marine and squashes him by accident*
>>738018635In terms of evil galactic empires,Frieza Force > Decepticons > Saiyans > Viltrumites > Necrons (peak) > Empire (Star Wars) > Imperium of Man. That's mainly down to Frieza himself and the Ginyu Force. Frieza is going to BTFO every other galactic monster out there up to and including Thanos and Galactus, but the upper echelons of the Frieza Force are still strong enough to destroy planets and fly many times faster than the speed of light.
>>738026241
>>738015378Star Wars is the creative vision of one guy, it copies stuff and even entire scenes from other movies but does it earnestly. You can endlessly pick apart the movies and there's some pretty cool esoteric behind the scenes stuff like the Whills.Warhammer is a corposlop setting that haphazardly plagiarizes to sell toys. Its fans don't even engage with the source material nor do they recognize its plagiarism. They watch low effort "video essays" because they don't read or if they do it's a fucking Warhammer book. It's supposed to be "edgy" but there's no actual depth beneath its edge like there is with what it ripped off. Even though Star Wars is literally a fucking movie for kids its easily cooler than Warhammer.
>>738026241It's unbelievable how gay the Didact stuff was then again 343 did revive Guilty Spark and direspected my dead nigga Johnson.
>>738015378The scale of 40k is just too retarded. Like the Star Wars Empire would do a lot of damage, don't get me wrong, with their easy FTL, but the crew of the Death Star would die of old age and/or get consumed by warp mutations before they could finish blowing up 1/4 of the Imperium's worlds.And Big E in his prime could melt Palpatine with his mind from several solar systems away. That guy did not fuck around. Sheev wishes he could operate on that level.
>>738017084star wars would win instantly because putting your warhammer guys in communication range would crush ninety percent of them and give the rest typhus from overcrowding
>>738027825you dont need to blow up every single world, just the important ones.Agri world gone? The next 5 planets in line starve.Mining world gone? The manufactorums and forges of 10 worlds stop production soonForge world gone? The armed forces of two subsectors run out of shit to fight with
>>738015478on average its not as much as reddit wants you to think for every space marine there is like a million normal loser guardsmen.
>>738015378Power-scaling-wise, it's Star Wars. The high tiers in Star Wars are one man armies. Darth Vader has feats putting him above planetary levels of destruction and massively faster than light. He's also a master Force user. Palpatine, Yoda, and Luke are of a similar power level. They would pulp everything from a Necron to Khorne in a 1v1 fight.WH40K has way more troops to draw an army from, so much so that they can just keep throwing troops at the Galactic Empire until Vader/Palpatine get tired and then kill them that way.
>>738020941>WH would never get a TV show or movie simply because it's obsessed with dread and schadenfreudeand that's a good thing! lets just hope it stays that way
>>738027963I mean, how would they even know?Also I didn't consider this, but if intelligence is flowing freely between both sides, the imperium hard stomp. As soon as they get FTL drives the empire is fucking done for. Meanwhile even with perfect information the Empire has to aviud and out maneuver their opponent.
>>738015378Depends on whether blasters count as plasma weapons. Plasma is most 40k factions go to MEQ eliminator. Tech wise the Empire/Republic are about on par with the Votann with the bonus of their equivalents of a navigator and warp drive being easy enough to produce that you have privately owned FTL starships.
>>738028170>how would they knowIntelligence gathering?>as soon as the Imperium gets FTL drivesThats the fun part. They dont. Innovation is heresy. They dont innovate. They dont adapt. Try and you will burn at the stake.
>>738027542There are only 7 of those left in the galaxy, I think. They are irreplaceable artifacts because the people that built them(the eldar)no longer have the infrastructure needed to produce more.
>>738028112>Palpatine would pulp Khorne in a 1v1 fightIf you're not going to take the topic seriously then don't post
>>738020941Warhammer really is only superficially dark and there was literally a Warhammer movie starring John Hurt like ten years ago and it was bad because Warhammer is bad. Like there's a story where they introduce a character named Ephrael Stern and she's a sister of battle with ultra anti-chaos powers and that was published in 2003 well before Warhammer became "woke". People just make shit up about Warhammer because it's the only "dark" setting the social media masses seem know about.
>>738028462Every single piece of information in this piece is incorrect other than John Hurt starred in the Ultramarines movie. You couldn't even be arsed to look up on a search engine that the movie came out 16 years ago. You managed to cap the movie cover but not even get such a simple thing like it's release date correct.You're just a stupid person.
>>738028808I said "like ten years ago" not "exactly ten years ago"
>>738028462I mean to be fair there’s already a canon chaos corrupted sister of battle so it’s whatever.
>>738028872HERESY! YOU ARE SPEAKING HERESY!
>>738027205If we're talking about figures who denied being a god only to later conquer the known world and be worshipped as one he's way closer to Augustus and Claudius than Jesus, not to mention the Emperor's design is traced from Tarzan.
>>738028391>Thats the fun part. They dont. Innovation is heresy. They dont innovate. They dont adapt. Try and you will burn at the stake.That's a meme. Tech priests absolutely do innovate, even if they have to navigate political bullshit to do so. Once they have enough influence they don't have to give a shit about even that, as proved by Cawl slapping his dick on the table with absolutely no personal consequences.As for adapting? Tactically they adapt constantly. Fighting the tyranids means any commander who can't adapt will be lucky if the swarm kills him before their superiors get hold of them first. That's ignoring the fact the inquisition has free reign to do whatever the fuck they feel like unless they piss off their own Ordo sufficiently, and they can make non founding tier space marine chapters their personal bitch.
>>738029158Also chaos makes innovation dangerous because what you made could look like a chaos symbol from a certain angle and now it's summoning daemons
>>738028462I watched that movie, it wasn't bad overall but animations looking like late 90s 3D videogame cinematics was pretty sad.
>>738029127It's implied he used to be a lot of powerful historical figures, before he became the big E. The betrayal, sacrifice, partial resurrection and mankind's worship makes it pretty obvious someone at GW tried writing him as an allegory for Jesus.
>>738015378Imperium wins ground battles, Empire wins naval battles
>>738029127He is all of those. He is Jesus, and Augustus, and Claudius. They literally described him as the combination of every great leader in humanity's history because they wanted him to be as uncontroversial as possible. You're not supposed to fixate on what kind of person he is, or get bogged down by his identity at all.
>>738029904>It's implied he used to be a lot of powerful historical figuresI mean Tarzan did that already with Philip José Farmer's novels in the 70s and the series esoteric roots in Thesophy's ascended masters but ok.
>>738015378isn't this a /tg/ and/or /tv/ question?
>>738030474Literally this. Empire's slip space travel is free real estate.Imperium is absolutely fucked in that regard, but wins on almost all other fronts.
>>738030561its a multimedia franchise that includes vidya
Star Wars simply on the premise that plasma weapons in 40k are some rare super powerful tech, but they’re just bog standard in star wars and less prone to exploding randomly. 40k’s imperium tech sucks vs SW, compounded by the fact those using it are bumfuck retards.
>>738024507Space Marines have extremely inconsistent power scaling. Sometimes they can 1v1 God, sometimes they lose to random jungle vegetation or a small child with a bb gun.
>>738031073the rule goes:>has no helmet>has a tabletop model>has a name>is a novel protagonisthe can 1 v 1 god>wears helmet>has no namewill die to a random ork boy
>>738031180The thing is, there are so many of them, so you're guaranteed at least a few outliers that will like, blow up the death star or some shit and win the war. So in aggregate they still win arguments like this.
>>738015378it's actually funny the way people wank WH40K when in reality it gets wiped by a ton of sci-fi factions
>>738029330It came out in that middle period were Warhammer wasn't obscure but also wasn't as mainstream as it is now so I guess the budget was super low
>>738032782because they don't know any sci-fi factions other than Warhammer
>>738031073The idea of space marines being invincible and undefeatable, taking on 1000 enemies solo and coming out on top has always been pure wank. The only time this is ever the case is in books, where the writer can write whatever dumb bullshit he pleases and the main character always wins because the writer said so, and action video games where you control a singular character, where literally any protagonist can take down gods and armies by himself because that's just how these kinds of games work (see also the Fire Warrior game).In any setting where they aren't given exclusive access to plot armor, such for instance as the tabletop wargame they originated from, they've never been anything more than above average infantry.
>>738034227each space marine legion brought thousands of worlds into the imperium. by definition they are far beyond regular infantry. you are lowkey retarded for even attempting to argue this position
>power level argumentsyou have to be 18 to post here
>>738032782True but we're talking about Star Wars, not the Xeelee Sequence.
>>738034227>space marines aren't powerful>see the game with rules for balancing between factions proves ittabletop muhreens are de-powered compared to their canon performance for the same of gameplay
Doesn't warhammers infantry have like comedically shitty range to the point even RL weaponry outsnipes them?
>>738015378Every single Sith would just fall to Chaos
>>738034606Lasguns are no more lacking in range than modern day combat rifles. As for the bolter boys, Space Marines have computers in their helmets doing ballistics calculations for them so calling their range "comedically shitty" is dumb.
>>738034357I never said they were on the same level as regular infantry, I said they were above average infantry. I was originally going to say elite infantry, but honestly your basic tactical marine or whatever the primaris equivalent is called ain't shit compared to any other faction's elite infantry.>>738034604>space marines are totally powerful>see these books where the writer is in love with them and they literally can't lose to anything if the writer doesn't allow it prove itDon't make me laugh.
>>738034861your hatred is utterly irrational. if they were so weak they wouldn't have needed to be split into chapters in the first place. you are disregarding large chunks of the setting to pursue an obvious grudge.
>>738034606No? Space Marines have insane range ability through their training and equipment.Then if you want to really get into it there are Assassin's of the Imperium who are sniper specialists that are only limited by the Coriolis effect, and can pin point specific parts of a body or organ from maximum range.
>>738031180>will die to a random ork boyI don't know why people like to downplay the Orks. Orks are fucking dangerous, they're on par with Space Marines.A Single Nob could kill scores of Clone/Storm Troopers by itself.
>>738015378Star Wars only winning move is death starring Terra. They lose in every other way.
>>738035018Splitting them up had nothing to do with them being super powerful, it was about not having an entire legion be commanded by a single person who could be corrupted.
>solos your SciFi
Who are the blacks of WH40K?Like how SW and trek have their versions of the jews
>>738035628orks
>>738035246Depends on the Ork clan and who is leading them. They can get smacked around by those Cross Gits a lot.
>>738035628Chaos are by far, especially Logar.
>>738035587>that bit in the book where the girl jumpscares by turning into the shrike mid-sex
>>738035628Void ship serfs
But who are the Jews of WH40K, Eldar? Tau are the Asians, I mean Fire Warrior made that pretty clear with how they all had Asian accents and the slant eyes.
>>738035628chaos space marinesthey just ruined everything. absolutely everything. for basically no reason. because it was in their nature. because they felt they were owed more than their already privileged position.
>The chaos gods are super powerful and can never lose! >Get those asses handed to them by randos all the time>I-it's because if they win then they lose! >So, they can't win?>...
>>738035936the birth of slaanesh event hasn't happened yet for humans.
>>738035973Litterally cant exist with out advanced life forms thinking about them. Another strike against these super powerful "gods"
>>738023479>>738024358>>738024530The first poster is the best and you can see it slowly lose quality even if still top knotch by todays standards.
>>738036059im just saying they're not going to do much until suddenly they do and its the apocalypse. i believe thats also what happened in classic warhammer, though ive never really been into that setting
>>738035936The Emperor was trying to defeat them through making the entire Imperium non-religious through his Imperial Truth. The idea behind that is people who pray and believe in superstition add power to the warp through manifestation of their latent psychic power that every single human has and sending that into the warp, empowering Chaos.The Emperor was trying to cut off that 'food source' if you will, but he failed as we all know so that's gone.The next thing that could be a massive pain in the arse for Chaos is the Necrons and their Pariash Nexus, the Black stone Pylons they built millions of years ago, the same ones that were on Cadia.The Necrons if they utilise them, they can nullify all powers of Chaos and the warp just like a Sister of Silence does but on a Galactic scale.
>>738035246>Space Marines aren't that tough, They're killed all the time>The things that kill Space Marines: The things that people point to that can kill a space marine, therefore space marine bad, are often 10 times worse than the space marines themselves, ya no shit space marines can die to them Drop the Tyranids into Star Wars and it would go 100 times worse for them then just fighting space marines.
>>738036167He failed because the imperium is just a fraction of all races in the galaxy. It's like trying to save space on your computer by deleting text documents. You would need EVERYONE in the galaxy to stop giving a shit and be peaceful for the chaos gods to feel any effects.
>>738027478How are the necrons more evil than the imperium
>>738036248Hands down the most retarded post of the year so far
>>738036245>He failed because the imperium is just a fraction of all races in the galaxy.Humans are a pretty significant part of the sentient galaxy though no? Quite literally the Skaven of 40k. I don't know if Tyranids would add anything since aren't they a hive mind without individuals or am I misunderstanding them?
>>738036245He failed because Horus brutalised him and forced him onto the Golden Throne where belief began in short order that the Emperor was a God and religion sprang forth. At the time of the Great Crusade just before the Heresy, Jagatai Khan spoke of exactly what you're mentioning, the Xenos races were so few in number were so miniscule that none represented a threat anymore, that humanity has utterly defeated them or forced them into complete retreat, yes even the Orks. So imagine if you will there was no Horus Heresy, no great civil war and that the Primarchs didn't turn traitor, that they continued crusading in the name of the Emperor. Eliminating all Xenos was not an unrealistic possibility and then if human held true to the Imperial Truth then Chaos would be and I'll say this inelegantly here, Chaos would be fucked.
>>738027478>Frieza forceDragon ball runs on JRPG rules. I could literally argue that any character would have a hypothetically higher power level than Freeza and therefore could no sell everything he does.>B-But Dragon Ball characters can blow up planets. Fucking less than a hundred power level Master Roshi blew up the moon in the second story arc and yet I'm supposed to believe "Over a million" Freeza somehow failed to instantly vaporize Namek. Viltrumites are closer since that universe has something actually resembling rules.
>>738036245All canon material indicates that his plan would have worked if not for the heresy.You have to consider the fact that with the Emperor's trajectory, xenos were not going to be a variable for much longer. Humanity was in a different weight class when he was running things.
>>738036571The canon also says that everything is part of the plan. EVERYTHING.
>>738036601No, losing to Horus wasn't part of the plan. He fucked it there. Then he put himself in the throne, which was even worse than just dying and seems to have doomed both humanity and all of creation in a number of different ways.Hard to give a fuck though because nothing ever happens. 40k is a completely stagnant setting
>>738036748To be fair, any time they do try to do anything Marine fags will cry that they are changing the helmet and that the Kneepads now look slightly different.
>>738035875DEldarOr rather, Craftworld eldar are torah jews, DEldar are talmudic jews.
>>738036235Tyranids are my favourite 40k race.
>>738037034They're pretty neat ngl
>>738037034>>738037089But I can't fuck a Tyranid... genestealers don't count.
>>738037034so you are a woman? Post tits please.
>>738037206huh?
>>738037194I'd kill for a 40k porn parody strategy game where you run a notTyranid hive and breed notImperials, notEldar, and notTau.
>>738037034DISTRACTION CARNIFEX
>>738018187Cadia's primary EXPORT was guardsmenSo much that even after it got Abaddon'd there is still no shortage of native cadians across ALL of the imperium. They were shitting out guards by the trillion.Now remember that this is just -one- of the guard worlds, and ask yourself if cloning is even needed when you have all that meat.
>>738037268nids are most popular with women.
>>738015378Chaos from 40k would effortlessly corruption The Force, and that would result in everyone in Star Wars being corrupted. Everyone would then die on both sides due to how Chaos works. It would not even be close.
Realistically, he would solo.
>>738037635He'd get beaten by a Librarian.
>>738018187The Imperium does clone humans. The most famous, iconic and popular faction in 40k is comprised exclusively of clones of the Emperor of Mankind. Hope this helps.
>>738037405Noted.
>>738037405>The Giger Esque faction is most popular with womenLMAO, truth is stranger than fiction.
>>738037995I've been told it's because sisters feels too much like pandering, whereas the space locusts are just genderless biotechnology horrors. The only people nids pander to are people that think nid designs look cool.
>>738037034they are by far the most boring and least visually appealing insect race in all of fantasy and science fiction and that's saying a hell of a lot when you're competing with fucking helldivers
>>738038386>lovecraft space bugs are boring nigga you boring
>>738038438They do look lame. Compare Lictors with basically anything else and you realize how much cooler Tyranids could have been instead of generic bugs
>>738038292>The only people nids pander to are people that think nid designs look cool.Based>The only people nids pander to are people that think nid designs look cool.Yeah that makes sense reminds me of an esport that had a singular female player who was decent but got overhyped and she knew she wasn't that good and quit because of it. Sisters are my second favourite since Battle Nuns are hot.
>>738036524Frieza was emotionally agitated and the moon is hollow. Namek is huge possibly far more gigantic than we realize.
Okay how about Warhammer 40k vs the Half Life univers? Xen might give some chapters a run for their money
>>738037995It's just an anomaly emerging from the fact that close to zero women have interest in this. Science fiction, historical battles, tabletop wargames, miniatures this is all stuff women despise so the intersection of them all is pure gyno repellent and you're left with some weird dregs that are either heavily neurodivergent or faking interest for their boyfriend.If you polled male seamstresses about celebrity fashion you'd get some aberrant fucking answers as well.
>>738038386They're Giger ripoffs but with colour, what you are saying is literally impossible; Bad bait.
>>738038720>If you polled male seamstresses about celebrity fashion you'd get some aberrant fucking answers as well.True, and reminder it'd get even worse if you stripped away the gays (essentially act like pseudo females).
>>738038438>>738038727wrong, CLASSIC nids are giger ripoffs, modern nids are ultra-generic "bug enemy alien" like the "demons" from nu-doom
>>738038981>>738037350This is quite literally a new Nid no? It's just a colour Giger creature.
>>738039058are you blind?
I think a Clone Era troopers could take on the IG
>>738038835>male seamstresses>stripped away the gaystheres nothing left
>>738039621Exactly my point. "Female 40k fans" is not a real group of people
>>738021190the clones only made up a fraction of the republic's forces
How well would the Star Trek Federation do in 40k
The Emperor of Mankind should just let the demons flood Tera revive himself and start over. It is very frustrating him just sitting there while he could do so much more if he was physically there. So what if a planet gets wiped out it happens every day.
exactly what would the Imperium do against the Empire just doomstacking 25k star destroyers and casually jumping from anchored fleet to anchored fleet and systematically taking apart the entirety of the Imperium's navy? Like it doesn't even matter they have more ships in total, they're too slow to respond to anything the doomstack fleet doesAnd if they doomstack themselves, the Empire fleet splits off into groups of 10 and starts taking out 2500 of the Imperium's most valuable planets every week in the year it takes for them to realize what gigantic mistake doomstacking was when you're a factor 100 slower than your opponent
>>738040567If the Emperor dies the Talismans of Severn Hammers will trigger. The entire Sol system will be destroyed, and every solar system within several light years will likely die as well. The psychic blast is supposed to be enough to potentially permanently wound the Chaos gods, at least at the time of the Heresy. If the Emperor died in this scenario, The Force would likely not survive the blast either, lol.
>>738040567It's not that so much as the loss of the astronomicon. I agree with you btw, he needs to pass on and reboot, but I believe he didn't want the astronomicon to go out because it basically undoes the entire great crusade and kicks things back to square 0 in the age of strife
>>738040256They're relatively OP. Likely job to Chaos, though. Star Wars would fair better than Star Trek in the spiritual battle. But like I said, I think Chaos would effortlessly corrupt The Force.
>>738040256shields general, space magic as well as the ability to travel light years without warp travel are all pretty powerful
>>738040831Sounds like sunk cost fallacy
>>738015378>stormtroopers are just regular humans who can't shoot>space marines are 9' tall juggernauts with mad skillzOne space marine could probably solo the entire staff of the Death Star.
>>738018187it doesmost servitors are cloned stock
>>738041017Nobody is that skilled. Besides turrets would get him or something
>>738040995Yeah but I can't blame him. He didn't have much time to decide, he'd just been mortally wounded by Horus, and he didn't want to lose like 10-20 thousand years of progress. And that's what happens without the astronomicon. It's basically the instant end of the imperium.
>>738036524>Freeza somehow failed to instantly vaporize Namek. anon he didn't fail he explicitly hollowed it out but left it intact so he could kill goku by his own hand instead of by the planet blowing upread the manga
>>738041118He should just alter his appearance into an elf and go save the aeldari or something
Sigmar would wipe the floor with all of them. For the Warhammer!
>>738019113>>Get conscriptednah, there's no shortage of people who are trying to get the fuck out of their shitholes with military adventurism and the more primitive worlds see it as an honorconscripts are for planet defense when the actual guard and PDF need bodies
>>738021176brits have zero sense of scale by living on their weepy little island all their lives
Warhammer is so gay.
>>738028391>They dont.They do and the only forces that would ever oppose safe ftl travel are the navigator houses themselves and any particularly zealous priests who think the Emperor being a divine lighthouse is too spiritually important but they get overruled by every single military organization the second they figure out safe, fast, reliable transport with zero daemons is on the table
>>738037463Even if the force worked similar enough to the warp, it would stomp the chaos "gods" because the force has an entire galaxy united under it, an entire galaxy worth of souls juicing it up. It would be at least GEoM level, if not hivemind level in raw psychic power.
>>738042004The Force has been nearly destroyed or otherwise significantly corrupted by singular individuals. Corrupting the people alone influences The Force. I know you may like Star Wars, but it's literally not even close. The Force's interconnectedness is its weakness. Chaos just existing might instantly destroy both universes if given assess to The Force.
>>738042201>assessaccess*Booty-brained
>>738042251gotem
>>738042251DAS WHAT I SAID! ASSESS!
>>738018187>>738018517better yet, fuck cloningwhy the fuck doesn't either side just mass IVF test tube babies to make armies? Like we already due that IRL (minus the clone army thing)none of the fuss and fuckery that comes with cloning and gene degredation
>>738040781The Force is a universal concept. It exists in other galaxies and even a 40k analogue race couldn't kill it off.
>>738019968there is nothing even remotely resembling thew circumstances of the american revolution in the original series, it's a hodgepodge of the american civil war, WWII and VietnamThe CIS in the prequels are way closer to the American revolutionaries (probably unintentional)
>>738015685Star Wars's primary advantage is not numbers, but sheer interstellar mobility. They can have an entire army dropping on your capital world within the week while your own army is currently stuck spending the next couple of decades getting in fistfights with demons in the Warp.
only good thread on /v/ee rn
>>738043508Vong don't use and can't be affected by the force thoughever.
>>738016227The force is just warp fuckery.
SW for intellectualsWH for „intellectuals“
>>738044820ST for intellectuals?HALO for Mexican intellectuals
>>738044598Thats just blatantly untrue you ignorant secondary.
>>738017242This lol?
>>738020941it indulges the triumphant spirit"nah i'd win"
>>738015378Well, Space Marines can't withstand plasma even from Tau rifles, so it's a matter of both armies one shotting each other. Space Marines can withstand more punishment, but ultimately a few bolts of plasma from a blaster will eventually melt away their insides and kill them. Going by numbers, keep in mind there really aren't that many clones. So this is actually a very even battle if only one chapter is involved. If it's every chapter, 40k wins.Also, Star Wars armor is incredibly strong. A lasgun probably won't do much to it. Only Tau weaponry behaves similar to blasters, which clone armor is very good at dispersing to prevent penetration, something that cannot be said about ceramite. So against plasma, Clones are actually more resilient than a Space Marine.
>>738046346I got Halo for steam deck and I have to make a Microsoft account to play it. Can you believe that?
i think that clone troopers are cool, but i also think space marines are cool. clone troopers turn into the galactic empire which is still really cool. later in the warhammer 40k plot they go full primaris which is where they lost me. the counterpoint to that is the starwars sequels suck. so im not sure which faction i want to win. i think warhammer is a little more autistic though than starwars. so i think im gonna have to give it to the republic empire in this round.i think the classic beakie space marines is pretty cool and i think they should bring it back. its like the clones having the strange paratrooper helmet. lots of really good designs in each universe. but i think starwars on average has the better aesthetics. also if jedi are involved i think one jedi can probably destroy one of those giant space marine robots singlehandedly. clone troopers are not as strong as a space marine but they seem smarter and more competent also. it would be interesting to see how a battle would work in an urban setting between a space marine squad and some specialized highly trained arc trooper units. i know the space marine armor is strong but idk if its going to take a direct round or not from a rocket. against blasters im suire its just like fighting tau and taking their shots. not sure how the lore stacks the tau weapons up against space marine armor.would jedi and sith be immune to psykers or whatever those pyschic humans are in warhammer?
>>738046912Sorry I thought a SM chapter was 1 million. Star Wars would actually rather easily defeat the Astartes. As for the rest of 40k, SW loses due to attrition defeat. SW easily out classes the 40k verse, but simply does not have the manpower to kill them faster than they can suicide charge their few ships.
>>738049470Star wars past it's original 6 movies is a far bigger fall than WH will ever be
>>738026241>the tiny Mass Effect Reaperkek
>>738026241The Forerunners are War in Heaven-tier threats. It's not a fair match-up.
>>738027542This, mostly stomps everything else in the thread.You need something on the scale of the Culture to win against the W40k galaxy, it's just that huge and fucked.
Easy fucking peasy.
>>738037034LONDON
>>738051693insanely obscure combination of niche knowledge poitns
