Don't care, buying two.

>>738016403
>>dogshit d-pad
>>dogshit triggers
>>dogshit haptics
But enough about the shitch controller

can't expect anything better from the company that introduced lootboxes

>controller is revealed
>/v/ loves it
>price is revealed
>/v/ suddenly hates it
Browns, browns everywhere.

>>738018235
>>controller is revealed
>>/v/ loves it
wrong

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>>738018235
>if you don't shill overpriced garbage you're brown
you're promoting a scam, you're as brown as indians

>>738016403
That's not a Pro Controller?

If it means chinkshits will make a better clone that actually implements the shit you'd get a Steam Controller for, which are:
>thumbstick layout (symmetrical but much closer to D-pad/ABXY reducing thumb strain)
>dual touchpads
>four rear buttons
>gyro
>back sensing
>programmability
Then Valve still wins by showing that controllers can be done better instead of copying and pasting the exact same fucking Xbox controller since 2013 and doing abso-fucking-lutely nothing to make it better besides circlejerking around paper specs.

>>738016403
Pretty sure reviewers are saying the opposite, don't worry OP I'll buy one and tell you all about it. It's only $100 so no big deal if its bad.

>>738016403
Reposting this from a /g/ thread before "muh windows compatibility" jeets get uppity

>It can work just fine given the right software. Valve understandably didn't want to get stuck into a licensing black hole by supporting Xinput which is a proprietary Microjeet translation layer. It's not a Valve thing, it's a Windows thing. I find it fucking hilarious that this boils down to people getting mad because Valve doesn't want to directly support Microjeets walled ecosystem.

>Let be honest, it's a fucking controller aimed at Steam users, so why the fuck would Valve give a flying fuck about edge case users who are both not using Steam AND using Windows?

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>>738019035
Yep. And making it not compatible with Xinput is a part of that, kicking the old crutch of relying on Microsoft's 20-year old code to the curb and pushing for new modern implementations and standards. Nerds who are mad at it being unusable without Steam will make it usable on its own for free anyway.

so the 2 biggest issues for me are the lack of xinput and the dpad
looking at this review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4MivhL4ruY&t=2751s , the dpad seems to be better than the steam deck, but a membrane dpad can only be so good
and the second issue of having to use steam input can be circumvented with a third party progarm similar to something like ds4windows. the only issue being, it makes windows think the steam controller is a 360 controller, so you wont be able to use gyro

im using a vader 3 pro, any recs on a new controller, i just like wasting money every now and then on something new since there's nothing wrong with my vader 3 pro rn

It's not for me but I hope people enjoy. I don't use back buttons or touchscreens at all, seems completely pointless for me to 'upgrade' from my xbone controller, even still.

>>738016403
>Heavy
>bulky
what are you an anemic woman?

The rest could be legit concerns. Is there a feelable indicator on the depad when youstart actuating the next button? because that is what I look for in a dpad so you dont accidentilly do side activations.

>>738019476
You've posted a DInput configuration screen thoughbeit, which was a superior API that Microsoft purposefully gimped in 2005 by turning the analog triggers a single axis.

I won't debate that SDL is the better API, much like Vulkan, that should be adapted on every platform.

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>>738019543
They got the pad design right, it shouldn't have ghost diagonals.

>>738016403
don't forget
>250hz report rate
>no xinput or android support
>no aux jack
>no stand
See most consoles come with a controller, valve kindly gives you the option to pay $100 for it before they even announce the price of their console.
There's no way anyone can spin this controller as being a good product for ANYTHING except the steam machine.

>>738016403
for me its
>no dock
>100$ for nothing more than a 8bitdo
>no xinput lmfao this shit put me off 100%
thats me

>>738019915
>good enough
>xinput is deliberate kick to microsoft's balls, android is deliberate to not promote one of the biggest competitors to steamos
the fuck do you need an aux jack for, if you wanna wireless headphones just use wireless headphones
printables dot com will have 50 stands for it in a month

>>738019035
Like they have for UMPCs? Fat chance. This will be the only option again.

>>738019915
>250hz report rate
do you even know what this means? You understand that means 250,000 times per second, correct? Do you? And you understand that is a real to the computer rate and not made up bullshit like other specs say that are actually impossible for the hardware.

Pop quiz:
You move a stick with your thumbs any direction or speed that you choose. Tell me how fast and over what distance you would need to do that for the sensor to not pick it up. Actually think about and answer the question. How fast, it is easy to calculate, and the result might surprise you

>no xinput
you understand this is a good thing yeah?

>no aux jack
What lol

>>738019543
>so the 2 biggest issues for me are the lack of xinput and the dpad
>looking at this review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4MivhL4ruY&t=2751s [Embed] , the dpad seems to be better than the steam deck, but a membrane dpad can only be so good
>and the second issue of having to use steam input can be circumvented with a third party progarm similar to something like ds4windows. the only issue being, it makes windows think the steam controller is a 360 controller, so you wont be able to use gyro

The controller is shit and im tired of valve fanboys sucking Gabes cock. The dpad is shit, the analog sticks are tmr sure but they grind against the ring of the plastic cause they are not smooth gliding after the switch 2 pro controller this makes every other controller feel like fucking shit, the back buttons are shit like the steam deck cause they are in a awkward position and hard to press, no xinput, no headphone jack, the plastic's feel cheap as fuck etc. Sorry but for 100 dollars the switch 2 pro mogs the fuck out of it. INB4 analog triggers which are worse than digital for 99 percent of games that isnt forza or grand turismo.

>>738018235
What was revealed is that you need to use it via Steam so they can't use it with their pirated GoG games and emulators. $100 is nothing, it's that it gets in the way of their thousands of dollars worth of piracy lmao.

>>738020229
You can add non-Steam things to Steam, and someone will make a crutch a la DS4Windows to make it work with everything within a month of it releasing to the public.

Who the fuck wants touchpads? Honestly. I remember laughing so fucking hard at that fucking gay ass shit on the ps4 controller, suddenly people are saying it's good, what the fuck are you retards smoking? It's shitty mobile tier garbage, fuck out of here, it's not good, I don't care what you can do with it, it's STUPID.

>>738019915
>stand
can we just behead cucksole faggots please?

>>738020332
console refugees are excited about not having to use mouse and keyboard for games that filter them.

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>>738016403
FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER

>>738020332
DS4 touchpad is in a retarded spot. Steam Deck touchpads can be used as superior sticks with direct input instead of directional input.

>>738018358
It's neither overpriced nor garbage. Also, no one's shilling it.

>>738020139
>good enough
Not when I can get 1000hz for $50. It has nothing to do with needing more, you don't NEED 240hz monitors. But if you price 120hz monitor 2x that of a 240hz monitor you better have a damn good reason.
>xinput is deliberate kick to microsoft's balls
Shooting yourself through the foot to hit the enemies' leg is still a bad plan.
>the fuck do you need an aux jack for
I love this response. Why would you need useless features? On a controller with fucking capacitive grip sensors.
How about having feature parity with the market before you double the price and lock it to your platform?

can you ever discuss anything on 4channel

>>738020485
wow, 3 lies in a single line
congrats!

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>>738020424
can someone explain what this guy's endgame is

>>738016935
FPBP.

One for me.

One for my 'Ick on 'Eck.

>>738016403
it's just steamdeck without screen

>>738020638
>wintoddler
opinion discarded

>>738020762
Buying the new steam controller with no survivors

>>738020202
>the back buttons are shit like the steam deck cause they are in a awkward position and hard to press
How the fuck are they in an awkward position when they're in the exact position your fingers naturally rest?
>no xinput
Thank god for that.
>no headphone jack
Irrelevant meme "feature"
>Sorry but for 100 dollars the switch 2 pro mogs the fuck out of it
Lmao. No trackpads, only 2 back buttons that aren't unique inputs, sticks that will drift in a year, and no capacitive sensors on sticks or grips.

>>738020485
Don't bother replying to people like him. He's not here to argue in good faith and just wants a shit flinging contest where he hates whatever the popular thing is as a substitute for a personality or brain.

>>738020638
Why do you need that? Most non-retarded games run physics at 60. What's the point of sampling the input 25 times per frame?
>Shooting yourself through the foot
Steam is gaining steam (not sorry) with its own ecosystem that's usable on Windows but is increasingly decoupled from it. They are very much taking a shot at Microsoft with this, and not pointing it their way in the slightest. Worst case scenario, they just miss and we get something like DS4Windows for the luddites who want it for regular PC usage.
Capacitive grip sensors set to pause are genius, and you can get up to some shenanigans with it too. Imagine controls changing depending on whether you hold the controller high or low, so it changes depending on if you focus on face buttons or sticks. Or adding gyro sensitivity when you turn too much and have to overextend.

>>738020638
>Not when I can get 1000hz for $50.
You have no idea what you are fucking talking about

Please read this
>>738020197

>>738020638
>Why would you need useless features?
To make latency worse for no benefit, of course. Give me the dead restrictive API, Gayben. Gimme aaaaaall the bloat. I need my controller to be worse because the market is doing it too!

>>738021130
>that aren't unique inputs
They are, they don't mirror any buttons.

>>738020638
>Why would you need useless features? On a controller with fucking capacitive grip sensors.
Are you implying the capacitive grips are a useless feature? Retard.

>>738020097
>100$ for nothing more than a 8bitdo
Which ateshitpoo has trackpads, capacitive sticks and grip sense again? I seem to have forgotten.

>>738020202
>A tendie also shilling for Microsofts proprietary translation layer (Xinput)
Just when you thought you've seen it all, another drooling retard comes around to prove you wrong

>>738020762
It was kinda funny before the controller released. Now it's getting a bit stale.

>>738020762
Hey, I've only posted the pasta 130 times. Just checked by searching for "fucking let me buy" since I'm pretty sure I haven't changed that part in any post. This is an imageboard so other people are going to use that image.
As for my endgame, I want Gaben to let me buy the controller already.

>>738021552
Yeah I get that. I'll stop once I can actually buy it.

>>738019212
Lizard mode? Anyway, what is stopping me from using this on any giving emulator?

>>738021819
Oh, so you're a poorfag too? Yikes.

>>738022082
Bro he's saying it's not for sale yet

>>738019543
The issue of third party steam controller software only emulating Xbox 360 control scheme is how the controller would work out of the box if it supported xinput

>>738020398
I've never owned a console. My 3rd party controller comes with a charging stand and costs $45.
>>738020816
You wish. I've been on linux since gnome was still on unity.
>>738021217
>>738021232
You sound like the console faggots claiming they don't NEED more than 30fps for like 10 years kek.
I don't need to take a twitch reaction time test to know 1000hz feels better than 250. When every device I own is at 1000hz, you bet your ass I'll feel as single device running at 1/4 of that.
>>738021279
Some people may use it but the mass majority won't. Which is exactly what the aux situation is. I'm surprised on a mostly PC user basketweaving forum there's so many voices begging for FEWER features.

>>738018353
Every attempted steam hate thread turns onto a steam appreciation thread.

>>738022264
Whaddya mean, I already have one?

>>738022417
>I don't need to take a twitch reaction time test to know 1000hz feels better than 250
not when the 250 has a faster actual response time than the 1000hz because of poor quality

>>738020485
Its reasonably priced for being hands down the best controller available if you SIMPLY use steam, which 90% of pc gamers do. Its also not shilling if people are organically excited, unlike the windows patch to compete with steam os (lol,)

>>738022417
>You sound like the console faggots claiming they don't NEED more than 30fps for like 10 years kek.
>I don't need to take a twitch reaction time test to know 1000hz feels better than 250. When every device I own is at 1000hz, you bet your ass I'll feel as single device running at 1/4 of that.
You are wrong and don't know what you are talking about. High number on package = buy is boomer level thinking
You don't need to guess, it's math. 250hz is real 1000hz is not. You need to understand how it actually works at all

This
>>738022657

>>738022518
Yeah cause the steam shills find them

>playstation controller only works with playstation
>ok fair enough
>nintendo controller only works with nintendo
>ok fair enough
>steam controller only works with steam
>wtf is this

>>738022417
>trusting the chink saying "it 1 birrion hertz per second it very fasto"

>>738023036
I thought PCfags whole mantra was that PCs were less restrictive than consoles?

>>738020485
valve shilltrannies going overtime
I could use a side gig, how much are you niggas getting per hour to post like this?

>>738023132
>playstation controller works on windows with a few crutches
>nintendo controller works on windows with a few crutches
>but steam controller will totally be locked down forever
idgi

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>>738020485
>overpriced nor garbage
>no xinput
>locked to steam shit unless you want to run 3rd party software
>all for $100 when other controllers can do the same with even more features for less cost

>>738016403
what controller has a good d-pad? what does a good d-pad look like?

How come joysticks are so incredibly advanced they use quantum physics now but d-pads are still the same garbage?

>>738020202
>Headphone jack
Does this shit actually work on PC? Like if I connect my Xbox or PS controller to the PC, audio can come out of the connected headphones? Does that work over Bluetooth and or 2.4ghz connections? Or just wired

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STILL THE GOAT OF PC CONTROLLERS

>>738020202
I love how trackpads were never an argument point until the steam controller got revealed now everyone and their mothers suddenly can't play pc games on controller without then, odd

>>738023321
>no xinput
not an argument, when you play on pc you should be playing on steam already, no reason to play any games outside of steam
>b-but my emulators
you're not going to play those old games, you played them already and are simply waiting for the next novel new experience to release on steam, stop fooling yourself.

>>738016403
I will wait for a chinese copycat that doesn't look like shit and supports any device, for $20 less.

>>738023427
The retarded D-Puck disqualifies it sorry.

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>>738019212
>You need to use an app that requires a app for the controller so you can use apps outside the Steam application
Dumbest controller ever.

>>738023321
>no xinput
That's a good thing.
>locked to steam
Justwerks on Linux. Maybe stop using an OS made by cow shit worshippers.
>all for $100 when other controllers can do the same with even more features for less cost
What are these other controllers?

>>738023016
Eventually its enough people its not shills .... do you want think linus tech tips always shills, or just covers shit?

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>>738023576
just got done with silent hill 3, might play 4 next.
What games are you going to play anon

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>>738023621
Chinese game controllers for $50 bucks. Also no screen on controller, Valve is behind on tech.

>>738022657
Yes it's about added latency. Adding 1ms of latency from controller to receiver is better than adding 4ms of latency. If receiver -> pc is 20ms and fluctuates between 20 and 40ms then it doesn't matter.
It's perfectly fine to ask the billion dollar company why they cheap out on receivers and gyros but throw in a million capacitive sensors and jack up the price. I would pay $150-$200 for a quality steam controller combining the benefits from 3rd party controllers and adding their capacitive everything. I'm not paying $100 for a worse controller but it has touchpads.

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>>738023621
vader pro 4
>adjustable joy sticks
>gyro
>6 customizable buttons
>BOTH Dinput and xinput
>can pick them up for around 60-70 usd online

>>738023427
The left stick on mine stopped recognizing down inputs. I only had it for 4 months, and baby'd the shit out of it. Fuck Microcock.

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>no xinput

>>738023576
Technically the lack of XInput isn't a problem since you can just launch your games through steam and enable steam input. I still won't buy it for this reason though, because I know the real reason Valve is doing this shit. And no, it's not because of "muh Direct Input supporting more buttons" shit that they'll try to use as their excuse.

>>738023764
>no trackpads
>no capacitive sticks
>no grip sense
>b-buh it has a screen tho
>>738023836
>no trackpads
>no capacitive sticks
>no grip sense

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>just use the OS notorious for not being supported by games and its tranny proponents having to install windows VMs/partitions to actually play vidya

>>738023321
>I'm too poor afford something with twice the features of dual sense edge at half the price
>I'm too dumb to understand emulation of xinput
>I'm too picky to rely on steam and too stupid and lazy to use 3rd party software
>Also, patented fucking lies, as if literally any controller even has the pads or capacitive grips, regardless of price

Really outing what kinda user you are.

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>>738016403
Has almost no chance of beating pic rel for $19

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>>738019212
BAZZ WON

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>WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO JUST USE STEAM TO LAUNCH EVERY GAME ON YOUR PC?!?!?!?!
Sure is a mystery, shilltroons... sure is a mystery...

>>738024169
Nothing does, it's the new F310, if the F310 was actually good.

anyone know how to trick a game on steam into using playstation button prompts, i spent most my time on playstation so having to deal with this retarded abxy rtrb ltlb shit instead of the more intuitive cross circle square triangle r1r2 l1l2 is becoming a pain point

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>>738016403
>no headphone jack
Not even Nintendo is this retarded anymore. I was interested until this omission was revealed.

>>738024131
linux runs vidya better than windows and even microsoft themselves admit it. keep clutching your jeeted stinky turd os buddy

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/windows-11/what-is-windows-k2-everything-you-need-to-know-saving-windows-11
> For gaming, Microsoft views steamOS as the benchmark, and is working to optimize the platform so that steamOS and Windows gaming performance are comparable. Within the next year or two, it believes that Windows will be able to truly compete head-to-head with steamOS in gaming performance on identical hardware due to foundational changes that are being made to the platform in the coming months.

>>738016403
this shit just looks like it has bad ergonomics. The price is whatever, thats the same price as the switch 2 pro controller, which I find exceptionally comfortable. I cant imagine using this for long sessions to feel better than slightly uncomfortable.

>>738024335
....any PC or setup worth it's salt has usb, or Bluetooth, and any headphones have Bluetooth, wireless usb dongle, ect. This is like bitching a ritzy high class bar with premium craft drinks doesn't have Bud light

>>738023621
Does Teknoparrot work on Linux? No? Then FUCK OFF.

>>738024487
I can't tell if 4chan is overrun with normies now or if the propoganda has worked and people are unironically praising bluetooth audio.

>>738024264
A shame it doesn't have gyro aim. Could've been perfect

>>738024487
When literally every single one of your competitors has a feature and you don't, you're alienating a massive population that just expects it to be there.
I like using my 1980s MDR-V6s with my Dualshock 4. I won't buy a Dualsense because the headphone jack doesn't work on PC. I use my headphones with everything. Gaming on the couch is nice, but I want my headphones.
I was planning on getting a Steam Controller day 1 until I found out it didn't have a headphone jack. It wasn't even a thought in my mind that it wouldn't have one.

>>738024487
Bluetooth audio is dogshit.

>>738024632
If you plug headphones into a controller connected via bluetooth, doesn't that make them bluetooth headphones?

>>738024632
Not praising it, but this is stupid.

Bluetooth, wireless dongles, or audio jack in the actual computer.

You absolutely have options, and if you bought a cable only headset and need more length, that's your fault

>>738024785
the steam controller's puck isn't bluetooth

>>738024852
Funny because the Steam Machine doesn't have a headphone jack either. Valve is the new Apple.

>>738024726
>a massive population
I really think you're overestimating this. You're even trying to virtue signal about having 1980s headphones. Who the fuck does that besides you? The 3.5mm argument ship sailed a decade+ ago with the iPhone. But it is your decision after all, just don't buy it. It's a free country.

>>738024889
Steam Controller doesn't support headphones.

>>738024726
>Fags who only buy headsets with audio jack but also can't sit next to the computer are a huge part of the market

I HOPE most customers aren't THAT fucking stupid, i struggle to even find headsets these days without a wireless dongle.

>>738024970
and it should, that's the point

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>>738024968
>with the iPhone
This isn't a problem for anybody with a real phone.

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>NOOO MY TRANNY DISTRO IS ACTUALLY GOOD YOU JEET BROWN TURD ABLOOBLOOBLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That's cool and all but still not paying $100 for a controller with rubber for the d-pad, face buttons and bumpers when chinesium ones have snappy, tactile buttons, the same features and can be used without adding every single game you ever want to play ever to steam, that justwerk with any application at half the price
lol

Steam Controller is gay and lame. Where the fuck is the Steam Frame?

>>738025028
Nice reading comprehension, retard.

>>738024897
Who's absolutely needing antique 3.5 jacks, and absolutely can't afford a 3.5 to usb converter when dropping 1 k anyways???

This is such a non complaint.

>>738024098
>no trackpads
non issue, only even usful for a select few games
>no capacitive sticks
all vaders come with hall effect

>>738025120
Not even Apple removes the headphone jack from their computers, even the shitty 12" Macbook with a single USB C port still had one.

>>738024157
>dual sense edge
who cares about sony shit
>needing to emulate controller imput rather than having it native
sounds like a shit controller
>desperately relies on steam and nothing else
about as bad as sony and xbox cucks with that blatant drone-isms *slurp slurp*
>literally any controller even has the pads or capacitive grips
"reassigns back pads for gyro" woooow innovative

>>738025036
you running a jeeted operating system and your controller choice are 2 separate concerns. you can use your chinky controller on my tranny os if you like. you may be happy to know the tranny os is smart enough not to switch your audio device when a controller is plugged in.

>>738025283
that's because those are desktop computers
the steam machine is a console for your tv
the ps5 and the xbox do not have headphone jacks because it makes no sense
they put them on the controller, but mainly for microphone use because you have the tv volume on
if you have a microphone it's better to just hook it straight up to the console

>>738016403
>heavy
since when is heavy a bad thing? I'll take something that feels solid over something super light any day of the week

>>738025115
>Apple killed the headphone jack in 2016
>my 2024 phone still has one
>my 2023 laptop still has one
>my 2025 desktop PC still has 5
>my 2024 car still has an aux port
Nobody but Apple gave up on the headphone jack. Valve is the new Apple.

>>738023771
You keep ignoring my replies since you are a fucking retard. you don't know what you are talking about, you have no mechanical engineering training, and you don't know how anything works. You don't understand so you go based on what some Chinese garbage company tells you
You don't even know what hz means lol

>>738024335
sir, your pc should be equipped with a usb dac occupying a slot on the front panel of your tower while you use detachable cable open-back headphones

>>738019212
yeah the steam input shit is kind of dumb and I'm worried about how the dpad and back buttons feel, if they're anything like the steam deck I will not like them.

>>738024970
>Steam Controller doesn't support headphones.
Your fucking computer does.

>>738016403
>the touchpad placement
i don't know what they were thinking

no, i know what they were thinking
they were thinking "oh yeah pc gaming today is just console gamers jumping ship from their dead ecosystem"

>>738025343
>who cares about sony shit
Nobody. But if its twice as good at half the price, can you REALLY call it overpriced?
>sounds like a shit controller
Unless you want understand this emulation is literally rolled into steam input. That's the entire appeal, it can do almost anything via steam input
>about as bad as sony and xbox cucks with that blatant drone-isms *slurp slurp*
The only reason it relies on steam is IT'S LITERALLY not even out yet to have 3rd party software.

Its like arguing windows 13 is shit because it doesn't YET have any programs.... despite not even existing yet


>reassigns back pads for gyro
There are no back pads, you just outed yourself for being retard and having literally no idea what sc does.

Good job.

>>738024852
Ah yes, my favorite way to use my controller is at my desk 6 inches away from my mouse and keyboard.
The point of the controller is bridging the gap between traditional pc gaming and couch gaming. A controller with aux means any device the controller connects to, the headphones connect to. That includes a microphone too.
>>738025560
What comment? I already addressed lower latency, there's nothing wrong with asking for quality 1000hz in a $100 controller.

>>738025695
My fucking computer is 15ft away and I'm not running a cable to it. My Xbox controller has a headphone jack, it is superior.

Why is it so impossibly difficult to find a quality controller that has the full combo of TMR sticks, 4 back buttons, PS layout, good d-pad and latency WHILE still keeping features like rumble?
The Steam Controller looks like it might be getting close but I'm not sure if I should take the risk

>>738025210
>non issue, only even usful for a select few games
Wrong. You being unable to think of uses for them doesn't mean they're useless.
>all vaders come with hall effect
That's nice. Do they have capacitive sticks though?

>>738025036
>clicky
zoom! zoooooom!

>>738025753
Just replace the sticks on a DualSense Edge yourself.

>>738025721
>There are no back pads, you just outed yourself for being retard and having literally no idea what sc does.
>makes argument his controller is better and has features the others don't
>refutes by saying other controllers can replicate said features
please go be a dumb chud somewhere else, thank you

>>738025734
>Ah yes, my favorite way to use my controller is at my desk 6 inches away from my mouse and keyboard.

Your shitty pick of headset isn't valve's fault

>>738016403
First party scampad shills are fucking losing it LMAO

>>738025734
>there's nothing wrong with asking for quality 1000hz in a $100 controller.
you are saying this as you don't even know what this means. You think higher number = better and that's not how it works. Let's say your sensor frequency was higher at the sensor level, what next? What's next in line? What about after that? How about the windows layer now?
A well designed system at 250hz is better than a poorly designed system that claims 1000hz but can't deliver it

>>738025853
Bro are you trying to suggest ANY CONTROLLER even CONCEPTUAL has back track pad???? What are you fucking talking about.

>>738025503
You're just being purposefully obtuse now. No flagship phone since 2020 has a 3.5mm jack, this is universally true across Apple, Samsung, Google, Xiaomi, Huawei, etc. your budget phone is not a representative sample. Even in the headphone space wireless takes the cake, IEMs and similar are enthusiast tier. The fact is 3.5mm is on its way out. I could just as easily complain about computers removing the 1/4" TRS jack I use for my headphones but I don't.
Regardless, I was criticizing your reading comprehension because nowhere did I say I'm using an iPhone. I use a Pixel with GrapheneOS.

>>738025812
Would still need 2 additional back buttons and I keep seeing all sorts of issues with the rubber grips, not dropping 200 bucks on that no offence
That's kinda what I mean, I've seen many controllers especially the 3rd party ones get so close but there's always some off-putting issue

>>738026089
Not to mention no pads.

Pads are an IMMENSE game changer. You can map like 32 buttons easy to a pad with mode shifts.

>>738025898
>A well designed system at 250hz is better than a poorly designed system that claims 1000hz but can't deliver it
Yeah everyone fucking knows that because you've repeated it 10 times as if it's not addressed.
High frequency gyro, high frequency puck, plugged in over usb, routed through the chipset or if you're lucky direct to the cpu with it's own usb controller. There's multiple places for latency to be added.
There's nothing wrong with asking a $100 controller to have a high quality, high polling rate sensor. Those exist no matter how much you claim otherwise.

>>738026225
>There's nothing wrong with asking a $100 controller to have a high quality, high polling rate sensor. Those exist no matter how much you claim otherwise.
That is what it has right now. Do you know anything about their design requirements and why they chose the specs that they did? Do you know if that have specific averaging in place for higher accuracy vs just a raw higher polling rate?

>>738026225
They already tested latency. Using puck or wired its basically top tier

Why would you need more voltage of it works???

>>738016403
youre so right, no one should log on to steam on may 4th 12pm pacific and buy the steam controller
save them all for me i mean uhh we are boycotting valve

>>738019212
The "other Linux" row is wrong.
The drivers for the controller are baked into the Linux kernel. As long as you're not running an ancient kernel it'll work fine.

Get rid of the touchpads, take 30$ off the price tag to compensate. Then maybe ill buy your controller

>>738019212
Mintbros...

>>738025880
I'm not an electrical engineer, I don't have the controller in hand and I haven't done the math on the signal integrity from the million capacitive sensors to the antenna.
Valve claims they lowered the polling rate for reliability but I've heard that from companies justifying cheaper components a million times before. I don't buy it the same way I don't buy 16000hz polling rate mice giving you an edge over the competition.
Other companies make it work and are highly competitive in the controller market. Flydigi, gamesir and 8bitdo all manage to do it with varying degrees of success. They also do it at half the price.
>Why would you need more
The cry of console cucks for 20 years now. How far /v/ has fallen.

>>738027864
>The cry of console cucks for 20 years now. How far /v/ has fallen.
This was meant for >>738026494

>>738027864
I mean people tested it and 8 steam controllers on puck at once had barely a slight jump in latency

And don't get me wrong, sure, I bet it sounds odd, but valve has ABSOLUTELY won my benefit of the doubt hardware wise with steam deck.

But REGARDLESS of that, if it turns out to be a massive lie, we will know fast. But I doubt they'd sell a shit product to save a few cents per controller

>>738023616
There's other things I don't like about the controller, but the Dpad is actually the best of any on modern controllers. It's so good for fighting games and stuff. I really wish the Steam Deck/controller copied them (or PS Vita's)

>>738028369
>It's so good for fighting games and stuff.
That's because it's not a dpad, it's just a wider, flatter, lower, stick.

>>738025036
Of course the brown animal likes those niggerdisgusting microswitches.

>>738023308
Most modern games and emulators now use SDL, so playstation controllers work without any crutches actually

>>738024335
>>738025571
>sir, your pc should be equipped with a usb dac occupying a slot on the front panel of your tower while you use detachable cable open-back headphones
Lol I dunno about that, but even the cheap Apple dongle DAC is so much better than anything in controllers, or 99% or phones and stuff, that is the reason why I stopped caring.
(It would have been cool if they included one with something like the DAC in LG phones, but it would shorten battery life and most people are too retarded to even know the difference anyway)

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>>738021374
name 10 games that NEED that, oh wait there is none dumbass jeet

>>738028794
all of them

>>738028794
Need, as in can't be used with mouse, keyboard, or other peripherals? None.

Absolutely unmanageable with a normal controller?? Plenty dude, plenty.

Openxcom extended being a good example, too many fucking binds, too many things you need to use.

That's literally the whole point, want to use a controller, which is more comfortable and portable, but games are built for desktop controls?? Sc got you covered.

>>738027727
They also need to get rid of the gyro, hand grip sensors, all that shit. It all just inflates the price and no one cares about it.

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it's the screw holes for me. comfort is #2 after reliability and I'm almost positive I'll find them annoying.

>>738028194
The steam deck was a success and even launched an entire subgenre of pc gaming. I wouldn't say the controls were a success and the new controller is basically a deckless deck. The controls were acceptable for the benefit of having pc handheld gaming.
I've used the og steam controller since release. I still use it daily to control my pc from my tv. I'm basically the intended audience being a linux user and already using a controller on a linux machine from the couch. The lack of quality buttons and triggers really makes the new controller fall off. Removing features that have been on controllers for decades, being behind on modern features, adding experimental features and charging AAA price is a weird combination.
I'd rather use my cyclone 2 for gaming and og controller for navigating a desktop since the new controller adds almost nothing I'd want. I'm looking into buying the steam frame and this controller apparently is trackable with VR, I could see a real usecase for that.

>dogshit d-pad
It's one of the Xbox controllers
>dogshit triggers
>dogshit haptics
I don't have it in hand right now, so I couldn't tell you, but if it's similar to the Steam Deck, they're quite good in that regard and better than the Xbox controller and DS5.
>heavy
Steam controller: 292g
Ds5: 280g
Xbox controllers: 250g
>bulky
My hands are big, so it's convenient.
>meme trackpads
For playing FPS games (I'm more interested in RTS games), controllers are more comfortable for me than a joystick or gyro.
>$100
It has TMR and replaceable battery like old phones, those two things make it 1000 times better than current controllers prone to drifting no matter how clean they are for $70 or the meme of the Elite controllers that are $130 to $200

>>738029214
>It's one of the Xbox controllers
Fuck do you mean
It's a membrane d-pad, it has nothing to do with xbox controller d-pads (unless you mean the 360 which no, it isn't that awful, nothing can be that awful)

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>>738029014
>openxcom
lmfao

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>>738016403
>bro what's the issue with requiring steam software to use steam hardware?!
Remember all steamies are schizophrenic cultist for a billionaire. Watch these retards try and strawman my post with
>windows 7
Instead of acknowledging the underlying problem this situation present and WILL present ad nauseum into the future.

>>738029147
>wouldn't say the controls were a success and the new controller is basically a deckless deck. The controls were acceptable for the benefit of having pc handheld gaming.
People were literally begging and saying they'd suck off valve employees for a steam deck control scheme without deck a year ago.

To be fair, you DON'T sound like a shill, but people absolutely fucking nutted over the pads, one dude even DESTROYED a steam deck just to make his own steam controller.

That doesn't happen if the control scheme is garbage.

https://youtu.be/ycMgIToLav8?

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>>738016403
>>dogshit d-pad
>>dogshit triggers
>>dogshit haptics
these aren't true, right...
i was hyped for this controller, someone please tell me these aren't true

>>738029519
It's hard to tell because Valve only sent the controller to reviewers who aren't really that deep into the controller space

>>738029395
You could just use linux instead of getting cucked?

>>738029446
The reason being the touchpads and the gyro I would assume, because comfort wise it's not great and the d-pad is dogshit that misses diagonals all the time

>>738029332
The D-pad on modern Xbox controllers, and even the 360 controllers is disgusting in shape and uncomfortable for me. The DS5 controller, which isn't better, is more comfortable than that garbage (I have 5 controllers: one for Xbox, DS5, DS4, Stadia, and a Logitech F710).

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>>738029573
>>738019212
OK I'll use Linux
>plug Xbox controller with USB C to andriod phone
>download chink gacha from play store
>works flawlessly with my controller without configuring anything
Steam controller
>plug it in via USB C to phone
>doesn't fucking work
Woooooooow really showed me retard

>>738029736
>download chink gacha from play store
Easy, don't play gacha shit faggot nigger

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>>738029707
Take a picture of your "modern" Xbox controller with a timestamp. I'm 1000% sure you have the one from over 10 years ago.

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>>738029791
>Look em go!

>>738029519
I watched a number of reviews (take them with a mountain of salt because these are people who definitely would suck off valve) and essentially:
>d-pad passes "le contra test", apparently "improved", retro gay copes says it's a little on the sensitive side (opposite to the deck one) and half circles come off easily
>triggers feel like dualsenses (not talking about adaptive triggers, that isn't there)
>haptics are similar to the decks (obviously they're not gonna work with dualsense haptics, so go figure)

>Screenshot_20260501_140625_Edge.jpg
You are talking to a gacha playing chimp who uses edge on his fucking phone.

>>738029394
Its a single example, but yeah, you couldn't pay me to play that on normal controller. Too many binds, toggles, and mouse input is so necessary its not funny.

Also why the laugh? Its niche, but its also top tier turn based tactics. Unless you simply don't like old graphics, games, or turn based tactics, I've never met anyone saying oxce sucks

Xenonauts literally tried recreating it and had a sequel.

>>738029648
Yeah, definitely pads. Its sole reason I told rog ally to get fucked

Also couldn't you just use stick if you were THAT particular about diagonal? Never noticed a problem myself...

>>738029736
>OK I'll use Linux
>phone
You had one fucking job. Can't even be consistent in your own post

>>738019212
>lizard mode
why is this even a thing
why not just have an xinput mode with normal controller functionality but none of the extra buttons/trackpads/haptics

>>738029446
I'm talking about the other buttons. The pads people either absolutely love or have no idea how to use. The dude in your video even said the whole reason he looked into doing the project is for a controller with trackpads.
Triggers have no haptics, aren't dual stage, don't have locks, and aren't mechanical switches. abxy are membrane and I can never go back to membrane. Same thing with the dpad.
The only point against mechanical switches is noise. There's silent mechnical mouse switches but I haven't seen a controller use those, maybe it's not viable for some reason.
>you DON'T sound like a shill
For the steam controller 1 I kind of was. That is until I realized the touchpad gimmick doesn't really work for me.
I really can't competitively game on the couch when I know I can perform better at my desk. For casual games you really miss out on traditional controls and the effort you put into mapping chords and key combos just kinda falls off when you have to relearn them coming back to the game a month later. Half of the combos are workarounds for lack of buttons anyway.
I thought the new controller would solve every issue I had with the old but I realized valve is leaning harder into touch controls and the physical buttons are just to get more traditional controller marketshare. The whole thing is really built around touch controls, the same way the HTC Vive wands were built around touch until they compromized for the index and finally gave up for the frame.

>>738029949
because valve wants a walled garden

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>>738029921
>mad about where the content from screenshot from than the subject of said content
As a wise man once said
>I accept your concession

>>738029949
Valve hate their customers

>>738029914
Sorry faggot but that problem don't affect me.

I'm buying it.

>>738029736
>plug it in via USB C to linux PC without steam installed
>works through SDL
not my problem

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Since it is a symmetrical controller, does it work well for rocking dpad and abxy hits?

>>738030065
Notice he didn't deny being an edge using phoneposter animal who plays gacha.

>>738023573
>A well designed and customizable trackpad hits the mainstream consciousness
>People start to realize it's potential
>>Why are people talking about it so much? It must be a deep state conspiracy
Gee anon, it's a fucking mystery. Maybe we'll never know.

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>>738029852
Faggot

>>738030279
wtf? why does your leg look like my leg? (Obviously mine is a lot less fatter since I don't eat like a pig but still)

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>>738030279
>no (you) in the reply
2/10 see me after class

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>>738029998
>>738030069
>Valve choosing not the support Microsofts proprietary API for their Windows walled garden means they want a walled garden themselves.
Its becoming increasingly clear that anyone who gets hung up on the Xinput thing is either a Microjeet shill, ignorant, or just plain retarded.

>>738030564
They support nothing but SteamOS

>>738030503
Nigger I'm in bed using my phone.
>muh phoneposter
suck my dick

>>738029949
>Why not just be every other controller doing literally the same thing as literally every other controller, and remove all additional features

Is this even a question??? Who would anyone buy it if it WAS just another 8bitdo????

>>738030635
See>>738019212

If you can have steam on it, it works. If it can't, it has lizard mode. And thats before 3rd party software enables more.

>>738028481
I don't know if you used the one on the "Elite" rather than this one, but the shape isnt that flat, and way it clicks makes it work just as good for platformers as cross shaped ones.
I really don't get how anyone could prefer the steam deck, Switch, or PS5 controller's Dpad better. They're not even close to being as good as the Xbox "Core" controller's. I prefer them for other things but nothing that primarily uses a d-pad.

>>738030759
That's not native support. The only native support is SteamOS (which extends to other linux distros as a byproduct)

>>738024718
Gyro aiming with a cord is retarded. To properly use Gyro you can't be tethered to anything, because believe it or not that cable weighs you down.

This controller is the cybertruck of games

>>738030759
I don't know what the big deal is about that; solutions can easily come out soon, either from Valve or through open source on GitHub. For example, when Stadia shut down that crappy service, the controller could be used with a program, and shortly after, Google released a way to use it as a normal controller, and it worked fine.

>>738030915
all Valve has to do is put out a firmware update with additional control input modes, but they won't do that if people keep defending the walled garden.

>>738029920
>d-pad passes "le contra test", apparently "improved", retro gay copes says it's a little on the sensitive side (opposite to the deck one) and half circles come off easily
That's conflicting information, but at the very least it sounds like unwanted diagonals aren't a problem. I'll have to watch the video.

Hey Valve, I need you to ruin my top of the line latency just so a gacha playing swarthoid using edge on his phone gets to use deprecated API.

>>738030984
What the hell are you talking about? They prioritize its use within their ecosystem and software; they'll have time for others later. The DS4 and DS5 couldn't be used without third-party software (DS4Windows), and it wasn't until recently that they bothered to simplify it. Even then, you still have to download from Sony to do things like update the controller's firmware. They can fix that crap in no time. Besides, you're one of those autistic who aren't even going to buy the controller, so it doesn't affect you at all.

How much do Valve employees get paid for writing posts in this thread?

>>738031292
They've had HOW LONG to design the new steam controller???
They never extended support for the original steam controller either, which released 10 years ago

>>738016935
I'm buying 4 for $399 and I'll still have 999 cash left for a gabecube. t. not poor

>>738030825
This is a dumb argument. It works, and how it works is accessible to 90% of use cases with no problems.

What's it matter if its not "native" to Windows, if it works on windows???

>>738030915
Exactly .

People complaining about native support are fucking tech illiterate. Hey, ps2 shooters don't natively support mouse either, but with the right settings and minimal effort from steam input on emulator, I can use a mouse to aim far better than sticks.

>>738030984
Why would they focus time on that instead of the core hard and software??

Steam ecosystem relies on a lot of people doing their part, outside valve, 3rd parties, ect. Its basically communism for gaming except it actually works.

Who cares who makes it work persay if it's eventually made to work?

>>738029014
I don't understand how people find touchpads to be an acceptable input method. Even on the couch, I would rather use a mouse and keyboard. Any added comfort or convenience from using a controller is negated by how awful it feels to do anything with touchpads. I would rather not play a game at all than to suffer through it like that.

>>738031474
see >>738031374

>>738031374
And you have it so it affects you? That's because few people bought it, so they didn't even bother. Again, those problems don't affect you because you're not going to buy the controller and you don't use Steam. It doesn't affect me because I use Steam OS and Steam, and that's where it's intended to be used.

>>738031453
limit is 2

>>738031619
I do use steam and I'd buy the steam controller if its lack of support was actually addressed

>>738031374
>They never extended support for the original steam controller either, which released 10 years ago
It literally is still supported, what are you talking about????

>>738031535
You sound like you have crippling nerve damage if track pad causes suffering.

>>738031559
I literally just said that old steam controller is still supported in every respect, besides MAYBE part replacement directly from valve. But I can use steam controller first gen RIGHT FUCKING NOW to play serious sam.

>>738031374
https://github.com/Alia5/GlosSI
Aldo here

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>>738031292
>The DS4 and DS5 couldn't be used without third-party software
False. Steam automatically displays which games support dualsense, and this doesn't require steam input.

>>738031703
You know what I meant, faggot. Don't be so obtuse

>>738031701
You're not going to buy it because you're a whiny faggot, I hope there's no stock for you, that problem is solved quite easily, especially now that there are many more people interested than at that time.

>>738031736
>soon to be deprecated
lol
lmao even

>>738031753
Be careful, you are responding to a paid shill.

>>738031837
>that problem is solved quite easily
then why hasn't Valve solved it?

>>738016403
we get it bro, you only play gachashit.

>>738019212
unironically, why is this allowed?

>>738031753
One, I don't know which you mean, nerve damage or support?

If nerve damage... sure, maybe its just you are too hardened in your ways, and that's fine. That's literally just taste, and fine.

>>738031739
That's with Steam installed, meaning third-party software not from Sony. Again, you couldn't use a DS4 or DS5 without third-party software, and it was useless; it still wouldn't recognize it.
I tried using one to play Sekiro and Dark Souls in a pirated way and I had to do a ton of workarounds.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sx-mX0C-IFE
https://ds4-windows.com/download/hidhide/

>>738030825
>native support
The only "native" support is Microsofts API, which means Valve would have to enter a licensing agreement. It's because of Xinput and Microsofts market share that gamepad support beyond the Xbox layout has stagnated. Do you people advocating for Xinput support not realize you are advocating for a continuation of Microsofts walled ecosystem?

It makes zero fucking sense for Valve to support it. 1) Because of the aforementioned licensing. 2) It's targeted towards Steam users, why would they give a shit about an edge case of users who are both not using Steam AND using Windows? 3) It means it could put Valve in a position to claw back from Microsofts grip on controller support from Xinput being the industry standard, which is good for everyone. 4) Why would they bother supporting an API that gimps the controller and makes most of its selling features useless?

And lets be honest, we all know shortly after release someone is going to cook up a translation program to use it outside of Steam, just like what happened with the original Steam Controller.

>>738031898
Yeah I'm not replying to that faggot any further

>>738031938
Because they want people to use it on Steam first, they don't give a damn that autistic like you can't use it on their $50 Android phone

>>738032104
>which means Valve would have to enter a licensing agreement
Only if they want to stamp "official xbox certification" all over the product. You can provide emulated xinput compatibility without certification. Also, I never said this was an issue just with xinput, it doesn't support fuck all beyond steam/steamOS

>>738032141
I can't believe you're defending this.

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>>738032045
>pirated
It's the crack's fault
>That's with Steam installed
It doesn't depend on Steam, I don't even have Steam input enabled, the game works with direct input.

>>738032315
Oh dear, a small indie company like Valve couldn't possibly afford that

>>738031938
Solving the problem creates more problems. Releasing a controller with a lot of unique features and then supporting a mode that disables all of those features just opens them up to issues where people think their controller is broken. It is better to force people to use it as intended and wait for someone else to make unofficial support for unintended ways to use it. It is not like this is a critical issue unless you hate Steam and don't want it running in the background.

>>738032241
You're complaining about something that won't affect you at all if you use Steam, and eventually, before you know it, someone will fix it in no time, probably even faster than Valve. Other companies do the same or worse.

>>738032315
They don't need to create a custom driver, they just need to update the controller's firmware.

>>738032191
Holy fuck you don't understand software licensing whatsoever and its disgusting.
>>738032141
I bet in a year you'll be able yo use it just fine on android if you want, one way or another.
>>738032315
I have no doubt Microsoft wouldn't try to ass fuck them with barbed wire on price. Steam os is currently anally raping Microsoft

>>738032402
>Releasing a controller with a lot of unique features and then supporting a mode that disables all of those features just opens them up to issues where people think their controller is broken
Steam Controller literally already has a "lizard mode" that does this anyway, but it unfortunately does not use an input protocol that's actually useful for it.

>>738032498
It would literally take a simple firmware update to implemented an emulated xinput protocol. It's the same as most other 3rd party controllers do it when they aren't "certified". See the Stadia controller's final firmware patch for an example of this.

>>738032191
>Also, I never said this was an issue just with xinput, it doesn't support fuck all beyond steam/steamOS
My brother in Christ, what the fuck do you think support outside of Steam/SteamOS is? On Windows is Xinput.

The only other possible options would be an Apple OS (who cares) or Android (which is Linux based, like SteamOS).

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>>738032359
We've gotten so far into the valve monopoly of pc gamers that using steam REQUIRING an account is no longer brought up. So in actuality this hardware is tied to an account and software.
This is worst than the meta quest bullshit and you know damn well steamies were the first ones bitching about that shit.
Fuck these cultists.

>>738032327
>It doesn't depend on Steam, I don't even have Steam input enabled, the game works with direct input.
False, because it's already happened to me. I have a DS4 and a DS5, and they didn't work without Steam or DS4Windows. I already uploaded a video of those typical errors. It wasn't until a year ago that Sony started providing more support.
>It's the crack's fault
At the time it came with two different repacks, one Fit Girl and another I don't even remember if it was ElAmigo, Now I have them through Steam where I don't have to do much to get them working with any controller

>>738032624
>or Android (which is Linux based, like SteamOS).
Refer back to >>738019212

>>738032635
Meta's account system and software is far worse, but yeah I agree that defending this is completely absurd.

>738016939
Rent free

>>738032359
It's not that he can't afford it, it's that he doesn't want to, to tell Microsoft to go to hell. All the crap with Steam OS, Proton, and now Proton ARM is to be more independent of them. It's also because Microsoft is launching its next Xbox as an OEM PC.

>>738032045
There were like 5 games total back in the DS4 days that supported DS4 natively, MGS5 among them. Pretty insignificant.

>>738032327
Cracks don't affect controller support at all.

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>>738032624
>why do you people want the 100 dollar controller to have similar compatibility with a 20 dollar chink controller?!

>>738032460
???
Okay, explain yourself.

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>>738032778
>Cracks don't affect controller support at all.
So you haven't downloaded that many games, and you're lucky that you don't need to generate a configuration for the controller.

>>738032778
The emulators didn't recognize it for me, and most of the games didn't either.

>>738032868
Remember the Stadia?
When that shit service shut down, jewgle put out a firmware update for its controller to allow it to be used as an xinput controller (albeit bluetooth only for the xinput mode). They didn't have to pay for any "xbox certification" whatsoever, it's an emulated xinput protocol. This is how most third party controllers are able to support xinput, btw - they simply fake it.

>>738032816
Then buy the Chinese controller. I don't see that as a problem that affects me, for example, because I play almost everything through Steam.

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>>738030564
Based Garfield poster. Fuck Microslop and fuck xinput for holding controllers back.

>>738019212
lol, fuck windows and the jeets that still use it

>>738032674
He said its Linux based, not that it would immediately work out the box. Fix your reading comprehension.>>738032778
>Cracks don't affect controller support at all.
They can. Specifically if steam detects its a shitty steam crack, steam won't let you launch it through steam, preventing steam input.

>>738032816
Why does a complicated heavily software based device act SLIGHTLY more picky about compatible software? Gee, i wonder.

Almost like the more complex the software is, the more involved it is to make it work elsewhere.

>>738033110
People complaining it sucks while Microsoft cites steam os as their competition is funny.

>>738032970
What proof do you have that they didn't have to pay for it? Besides, it was Google's way of coming out looking good after shutting down servers. Also, you can see that the controls weren't in place until the company decided to implement them. Why? Because they wanted to prioritize it and were only interested in its use in their services.

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>>738033069
>I play almost everything through Steam.
That's the saddest thing a PC gamer can say.

>>738033232
>What proof do you have that they didn't have to pay for it?
You only have to pay if you want your controller to have an official xbox certification, that's literally it. Look it up if you don't believe me. Do you really think those cheap chink controllers that work out-the-box on windows had to pay for certification?

>>738031994
>Controller built and marketed specifically for Steam and Steam OS
>Surprised when it doesn't work outside of Steam and Steam OS

Are you retarded?

The LLM steamie bot is just hallucinating shit now.

>>738033310
>having to create an account and keep software running at all times to use a controller is good actually
Fuck off.
If any other company did this, nobody would defend it.

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>ABLOOBLOOBLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUH TRANNY DISTROOOOO NOOOOO PAYING 100 DOLLARIDOOS FOR RUBBER BUTTONS AND D-PAD IS ACK!CHULLY A GOOD THING!
LMFAOOOOOooo
>thinking gabe's cuntroller isn't made with chinesium parts too
Holy fucking shit, the fanboyism

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>>738033384
Thank you a sane anon. With daily users dropping like a fucking rock; this place has become infested with steam cultists.
Fuck even reddit isn't as cock guzzling as these faggots about Valve.

>>738033260
I have a lot of games from GOG, Epic, and emulators installed on my PC. I have five different controllers, but the games I play that really need a controller are on Steam (almost all the Souls Likes). I also have a Steam Deck and have already tried Steam Controllers, so I don't know why you're making such a fuss over a simple controller that you probably won't even buy because it doesn't have the same support for Windows.

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If $100 is too much to throw at something for yourself then video games shouldn't be your priorities at all.

>>738033384
>>738033512
Hell, I use Steam myself and even I think this is complete bullshit. The people defending it HAVE to be trolling, I refuse to believe the fanboyism is this bad now

>>738033384
>any other company did this, nobody would defend it.
No other company actually gives a shit about user experience. Its why epic is suffering despite all the free games. People TRUST steam

>>738032509
I don't actually know what lizard mode means, but when I am presumably using it with my Steam controller without Steam running I think it is pretty obvious that I am doing something wrong when trying to map emulator controls and most of the buttons do nothing while the A button gets mapped to the enter key. Maybe I shouldn't expect so much of people, but having just the features people are less familiar with not work seems like it would be more likely to make someone think it is a problem with the controller when everything else works as expected. In contrast, it is trivial to just make a desktop controller map with an action maps to swap between standard controller controller and a map for controlling the mouse and desktop.

>>738033304
And they don't want to do it because they prefer to prioritize their platform over Windows, and that's something that even a third party with free time will do for free.

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>>738033429
Worse than that. Remember how the steam deck "went out of stock" for a while a couple months back?
Turns out they were stripping them for parts to put on the steam controller. (the touchpads, buttons, etc are exactly the fucking same). And magically the stock issues are being resolved soon after the controller became available to pre order. Valve is literally repacking shit and selling it at a premium lmao. Fucking retards deserve to get ripped off at this point

>>738016403
I knew when this thing released to high reviews from all the sites that the brownoid subhumans who infest this site would start crying about it

>>738033675
How is that good for the consumer?

>>738033605
It's too irrelevant to really complain about, something they won't support for long and is just part of their corporate meme war against Windows. Besides, you're using Windows. If you complain about this but not about telemetry and other similar crap, it's a real joke.

>>738033850
It doesn't affect those who use Steam for all their games.

>>738033864
Steam also uses telemetry btw

>>738033737
Interesting theory, except if you have 500$ products, stripping them into junk to make 100$ product, leaving the leftovers unused, this is literally burning money, and arguing it is at a premium

>Mwahaha I'm turning 500$ into 100$, I'm such a greedy capitalist

At least make sense bro.

I think its more like they probably halted production on SD with ram instability, to not bleed too much money, but since sc requires little to no ram, they focus on that.

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a 3rd party controller doesn't natively support all systems?
never been done before...

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>>738033737
Fags will buy this shit and then wonder why the state of gaming is terrible, despite perpetually funding the pozzed, low effort slop lmfao

>>738033935
It's not a fraction of what Windows is, and they're also more transparent.

>>738034097
at least they use dinput

>>738032635
>Hardware locked behind software and an account is bad. I can't believe it doesn't support the Microsoft API for an OS that is also software that requires an account.
I'm not advocating for hardware locked behind an account, but I need you to understand how utterly fucking stupid you sound with this argument.