>Fighting games are not a product. They are an art form. >"What is the point of fighting games?">This question I think really encapsulates the division between seeing fighting games as products versus seeing them as an art form because this is the type of question a marketing department will ask. >But in terms of art, you cannot ask the question, what is the point of its design? There is no answer to this question. It's like asking, what is the point of jazz? Jazz is an artistic expression that was later on commercialized, but there is no underlying marketing appeal that it's trying to tap into. People like it for different reasons.>Hey, you like jazz. I love jazz. A bohemian hipster millennial may love jazz because it's a sign of sophistication and a culture that they're not familiar with. But that is not the same reason why Charles Mingus loves jazz. >But what happens in gaming is that rather than the marketing department getting the album after it's recorded, after it expresses Charles Mingus' vision, and then trying different campaigns and covers and different marketing strategies to get it out there to different demographics, which I think is perfectly fine, and I think that is what marketing is for.>Instead, what's happening is the marketing department is sitting in on Charles's recording sessions and are like, "I don't know. It's a little much, don't you think? There's a lot of noise happening. This is a little aggressive at times." People we've found prefer jazz to be light and soothing and relaxing. And our demographic research has shown that that actually creates the longest engagement because they like to listen to jazz as they clean and as they read.>So all of this like noisy percussion that's really hurting it as a product, Charles. So why don't we take this down a notch, relax it, and let's do something, you know, Kenny G. Have you heard of Kenny G? That's basically where we've ended up at this point.>MarkTrenchant insight, no?
>>738017714>Best Video Game Critic?Definitely not a Dodonpachi obsessed poser who can't form a coherent sentence.
>>738017714Me, myself and I.
>a primordial soup of techniques, that will be subjected by a darwinian selection of gameplay styles
>>738017714pictured: Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, and Count Basie
>>738017815Did you even read the OP?
>>738017714So game devs should be in total control of game design and the marketing teams should market and find ways to promote the game after the fact?This hurts our society.
>>738018389fuck no
>>738018714isn't this how japanese games were marketed in the west? The games were finished and localized, all the western marketers had to do is sell it
>>738018389The carefully curated lines chosen as a way of saying artistry good, commercializing bad and then posted to a community likely to agree with it? Yes, I've read them. Maybe he should've said SF6 lacks gameplay density and promotes resource snowing.The point about fighting games is wrong. I don't like the original Mortal Kombat. It's obvious they didn't care much about what would sell and just made a game they thought would be good. I like MK9 way more, and that shows more signs of chasing trends by being a lot more like SF4 and of course being another entry in a beloved franchise. Making a game you think will be great without ever considering what other people have tried often ends up making a bad game. He tries to suggest an original fighting game is a great song. Even if he was specifically talking about good games, there's a world of difference between playing a fighting game and listening to a song.
>>738019021>and then posted to a community likely to agree with it?Actually he mainly posts to his patreon now and they're very open minded people there.>there's a world of difference between playing a fighting game and listening to a song.I you can't see the direct link between Louis Armstrong and Third Strike then I feel bad for you. Take an art history class, please.
>>738017714Unironically, this guy is better than /v/ obsessing over mandalore or sseths or some shit. I can't bring myself to make fun of this guy at all, the only bad thing about him is that he likes character action garbage.
I don't like critics.Reviewers are more fun.>They know at least they are biased, and admit it>Act like complete retards, but in a fun way>They may admit they actually are in this for the money besides the fun, instead of some pretentious shit.>Actually plays the games.>Will not pick up a game they do not enjoy unless annoyed ad nauseum by fans and friends, and are actually at least a bit curious about the game itself. Otherwise, they won't review every single shit that comes their way.>They are not really obliged to sell you the fame for sponsorship money most of the time, their sponsors are usually completely unrelated to the game itself.>Will at least highlight lots of good shit and bad shit. The critic will only highlight bad shit to the point you won't even want to try anything that comes their way.>At the end if the day, the opinion of wheter a game is dogshit, fun or kino falls into you.
>>738019346>I you can't see the direct link between Louis Armstrong and Third Strike then I feel bad for you.Louis Armstrong, someone you picked entirely on your own in direct contradiction to his own words about Charles Mingus?
>>738019545He is MUCH worse than either of those
>>738018083This. Your gut first impression about a game is usually right 99% of the time.
>>738017714>Best Video Game Critic?morkie morkhog on logmhorkg
>>738019592This guy uses other people's footage, pays people to write for him, is an unironic gay furry, and plays the lamest laziest garbage ever. There is not a single interesting game on his channel.
>>738019684No he ain't, shit eaterhttps://youtu.be/aaa1gY3kvo0
>>738019628wut?
>>738019565Certainly the most autistic critic! (and that's a good thing)
>>738017714FarnhamBladerCombat Overview
>>738019823Mark is literally retarded lmao, I'm not watching that slop
>>738020054You listen to a gay furry that pays people to write about crap for slav teens while spamming 2016 memes and a literal retard who's entire career is reviewing atmosphere movie games and how they relate to his sedentary life of sitting at a computer desk all day. I don't think anyone should listen to you at all.
>>738020054STFU! Would a retard make this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYEJQ6Hj600&t=162s
I'm gunna keep it real with you dudes, if someone has ever reviewed morrowind that channel is bad, and they have at the very least sucked a cock before. There is not one single example of this not being true. I know for a fact Mork will never do that. If you ever want to know if you should ignore a channel, just check to see if it has a morrowind review. That's what I do.
>>738017714Have you noticed that all the best video game critics are the losers you met in first year university who loved Pulp Fiction and listened to nu-metal... curious
>>738020537amen brother
>>738020370This is unironically a highly educated opinion by fighting game standards.
>>738020451>mindbroken schizo brings up morrowind out of nowheremany such casesthe game has that effect on people where it buttblasts them to the point of mental illnessif morrowind mindbroke (You) then i feel bad for you and i hope you get the professional help for you need
>>738020749Why did you out yourself immediately as a shitposting rpgtard, no one cares about what you have to say about video games and you cannot post a SINGLE popular channel with a morrowind video where the person didn't come out as gay or trans.
>>738020864i play all video gamesyou are a mentally ill poser, however
>>738020980Still waiting for a single example of a morrowind review that wasn't made by a person who didn't come out as gay or trans
>>738020679>This is a highly educated opinionfightinggamebros...
>>738020980>i play all video gamescringe
>>738017714If he's such a great critic then where's his review of Saros? I need to know what I'm supposed to think about it. It's a new, big game for all hardcore bullet hell lovers after all.
>>738019907Mark wasn't talking about Louis Armstrong there, he was talking about a completely different person, so it's unreasonable to equate Louis Armstrong songs to the songs he was talking about. I maintain the same point about his song metaphor: there's a world of difference between playing a fighting game and listening to a song.
>>738021069https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGhRON2SgYkHow do you like your crow served?
>handsome, fit and charismatic, women love him, men want to be him>sophisticated, well spoken and soothing voice>married and has kids, healthy and wholesome midwest guy>actually posts arcade clears and master console games on hard modes>expert at every game in every genre>basically the only critic who focuses on analyzing gameplay mechanics instead of doing story summaries, has his own video essay and editing style instead of just following shitty trends or trying to do unfunny comedy skits>complete integrity, will never be bought as a shill, only gameplay matters>comes up with his own new terminology that instantly becomes recognized and adopted in elite gaming circles>wears sonic t-shirts, doesn't care if perceived as autistic>contributes to community efforts like shmupslam and shmupmame>initiated hundreds of zoomers to hardcore arcade games and forced boomer dad gamers to reevaluate their laziness>not just a critic talking, is developing his own game, no doubt will be a genre defining masterpiece>very successful at doing the thing he loves, people pay him millions on patreon just to hear his enlightened opinions>has the ideal loyal bromance bff who shares his high level player, critique and designer skills and regularly contributes to his channel, their brains have started fusing together>is beloved by all the community and respected by top superplayers like jaimersno wonder losers hate him
>>738021157Anyone who has ever actually played fighting games knows most fighting game shilling is max dood saying a game has shmoovement then getting washed in bronze and quitting to play ff14, or jiyuna trying to convince people blazblue is the spirit of Japan while sucking at literally every single video game. The bar is rock bottom. The best you get is jwong soifacing over whatever he's getting paid to shill so he can buy his kid some diapers.
>>738021351I was trolling but after reading this reply I now understand why Mark is such an intellectual powerhouse in the gaming community.
This right herehttps://youtu.be/PGv4ixLllWo
>>738021405Anon this dude literally has a gay porn stache
>>738017714VIDEO GAMES, FAGGOT, VIDEO GAMES!
>>738017714Matthewmathosis.
>>738021429You pay for a Patreon to listen to another man talk about video games
>>738017714He's cool but he makes up too many "terms".
>>738017714this faggot is a gigantic tool
>>738017714Can't you just say>Fighting games have been streamlined?What insight do I gain from this whole bunch of nothing
>>738021586This guy has the "I suck at video games" accent
>>738017714>>738019750new 'hoghttps://www.patreon.com/posts/155643045
>>738021479NTA but I clocked maxxedshilliantroon the moment I saw his ugly bug-eyed face, the fact that so many cattlebrained normalfags lack physiognomy check tells me they are probably dysgenic themselves and are desensitized to the bugmen visage due to familiarity.
>>738021493I figured that post was clear enough that it wouldn't make anyone confused as to what the fuck I was saying. Still, I wanted to go over it more directly without rhetorical questions.
>>738021585Play Redpulse. Play Gunvein. Masturbate to Armed Decobot.
crazy and sad that he plateaus at 50k views while dysgenic noskill retards like assmong gets millions
>>738021934loli sexo
I don't understand anything being discussed in this thread, zoomers and their obsession with internet celebrities is bizarre.
>>738017714>Best Video Game Critic?That's easy it's /ourguy/ soon to be /ourgirl/ Synthetic Maam.
>>738021585I get all my political/gaming opinions from Ordinary Sausage
watching e-celeb shit is cuck mentality
>>738021405we need a term like "insight density" to assess a critic/essayist value, I put this dumb shit in the background for a few minutes and he did not say a single sentence containing insight. just babbling. it's all shallow garbage.
>>738021934>>738022020i'm so tired of 'hog making lolislop, i miss when he used to draw chubby girls
>>738020451>they have at the very least sucked a cock beforeWhat's wrong with that?
>>738021934>>738022778Does Bog actually like this shit or is it just to sell to pervs?
>>738022617Please for the love of god no more terms. We already have "retarded"
Matthewmatosis is the only good one
>>738021769You mean irish?
>>738025989kek
>>738019592>Actually plays the gamesThe guy in the OP has livestreamed himself 1CC'ing arcade games several times.
>>738019592>>Actually plays the games.Doubt, most of Sseth's anecdotes are copy pasted from /v/irgins, AI generated and/or ghost written by his sycophants. This faggot barely plays the games he reviews unless they involve organ harvesting or some autistic online multiplayer milsim.
If you think player expression is a real thing you shouldn't review video games.
Mark is good at reviewing arcade games, critiquing modern game design and flaying remake culture. But, he's always been weak in his analysis of Character Action games. When it comes to those titles, Combat Overview is the best one, and he livestreamed MNM runs of several NG games proving his skill in the genre. I'd say those are my top 2 when it comes to games analysis. Cvit is a retard who thinks every game should be DMC. ChaserTech is probably 3rd, but he's on Mork's nor Combat's level. Bladder is a fucking retard. And the rest of them focus too much on plot summaries.
>>738026392How is player expression fake?
>>738026820Character action games aren't good dude, and there's like 5 games barely worth playing total. Anyone who defines themselves by this genre is a literal retard.
>>738017714
>>738017714Mork and boho gay sex
If you are playing shmups there is literally no time to play other games. Anything else orbiting it is going to get 1% as much of your attention. The same goes for other genres, someone who is playing fighting games is going to spend 99% of their gaming time playing those games. If you don't you're just gunna suck and not really understand those games. I think the choice of main game here says something about a person, like DMC/ninja gaiden/whatever is something you just consume in passing. A lot of retarded normalfags just do nothing but play these superficial and passive orbiter games, they really don't get it.
>>738027038>Character action games aren't good dudeSkill issue.
>>738027509Anon sexo
>>738027509here's my shart btw
>>738027781>he thinks a game with an infinitely long input buffering queue system isn't designed from the ground up for retardsBig skill issue
>>738027880Solomon's Key is for literal autistic psychos
>>738027959>words words wordsPost your DMC bingo card or MNM clear.
>>738027880>AC4Absolute shit taste.
>>738017714>Trenchant insight, no?You're a retard.
>>738017714Mork gem
>>738028619I don't usually pay attention to his non-shmup stuff but you memed me into watching this and 99% of the video was just him absolutely shredding through the game, what gives? Did you literally angrily watch the whole video looking for 1 second of him messing up?
>>738027509You can practice shmups for only 20 minutes a day and still get good, it just takes longer. The key is consistency.
>>738027509I agree with you. I don't know how mork does it. He must have lived a life with a very good administration oh his time idk. But yeah if you are serious about getting into a genre you don't can't slop around
>>738029509My point is that I don't think Mark really gives a shit about anything he's talking about compared to like... the ketsui 2-all he's supposedly working on. Anything else is just goofing around. Someone on the outside isn't gunna get that because all they do is goof around.
>>738017714/v/ will never get me to hate this guy. Only eceleb I've seen since mathewmatosis that actually has something insightful to say about video games. Plus, he actually has the tact to be apolitical, unlike every single eceleb these days
>>738021805Why does he have no YouTube videos for >>738021934Games don’t market themselves anymore.
>>738017714I find his word crafting abilities admirable. It tricks a lot of pseuds into listening to him. Maybe in a few years with enough practice he'll be able to get his shit together and make something meaningful, but as it stands, Action Button, Jason Graves, and The Sunshine Feeler blow this guy way the fuck out of the water.
>>738031276>Action Button, Jason Graves, and The Sunshine FeelerYou might be actually retarded
>>738031276>Action Button, Jason Graves, and The Sunshine Feelerliterally who?
>>738031276https://www.youtube.com/@JasonGravesPoser/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@The1SunshineFeeler/videoshttps://www.youtube.com/@ActionButton/videosjust looking at the types of games they review i know they're complete shit retards, are you brain damagedyou probably play shit like kirby
>>738031276None of these niggas have 1cc'd an arcade game nor have a MNM clear. I do not care.
>>738029832Uhh everything is political chud
