>>738020125
Mogged by Majora's Mask.

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I was there in Christmas '98. Exploring Kokiri Forest in my grandparents' living room as the adults watched me play, one of them is now gone. Miss you grandma, you only ever played Zombies Ate My Neighbours but you kicked ass at it.

>>738020308
but you should still play OoT first

>>738020125
you favorite game is overrated dogshit

>>738020617
Doubtful, and I don't know why you feel this knee jerk reaction.

>>738020125
The greatest game of all time is just going to be your subjective favorite.

Why is there a thread seething about this every single day?

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>>738020125
>m-m-muh nostalgia!!!
Great games are timeless.
Ocarina Of Time is a living proof of this, as countless kids born decadeS after its release have discovered the game, and been absolutely captivated by it.

This applies to a huge majority of the pre-2007's true Golden Era classics, that zoomers have started digging through now that the mainstream industry's been raped beyond salvation.
In case of OoT, and many other 1998 masterpieces, the reception has been overwhelmingly positive. Eye opening even.

>>738021212
Zoomers eternally seething it mogs open world craftslop zelda.

>>738021278
>Great games are timeless.
That's another phrase I figure. Your taste in games has been anchored around an old game. You don't even like great games that come out these days.

Mogged by Botw and totk

Ill never forget watching my brother play OoT the year it launched. You really had to be there

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>>738021392
>That's another phrase I figure
That's not even English, son.
The term "timeless" is a well established word that anyone can sense when they see it:

A movie can be 100 years old, and still glue you to the seat for the entirety of the show.
A piece of composed music can be 300 years old, and still shake you to the very core.
Similarly, a 30yo video game can indeed immerse, captivate, and emotionally move you stronger than any 2020's AAA slop ever could.

>Your taste in games has been anchored around an old game
Correct.
Is that supposed to be some sort of "gotcha!" thing now?

Yeah, we Millennials got to witness the growth of the industry. I started with the 8-bit NES, and every few years, my family traded EVERY piece of vidya for the newer gen device + game. We have first hand experience with the rise and fall of the gaming as a cultural phenomena, because we WERE there.

Games like Doom, FF7, Ocarina Of Time, MGS, RE1-2, SH1-2, Thief, SS2... etc, were all revolutionary releases at the time, and still put many, many much more recent title in shame.
And I can assure you: 20 years ago, no one was embracing this modern casualization, streamlining, DEI censorship and price hikes.

>>738021796
>That's not even English, son.
Not even reading the rest, you need more than an elementary grasp on vocabulary to engage with me.

>>738021789
>You really had to be there
No you didn't, stop unironically copying this dumb boomer phrase. Anyone can play the game and experience its good qualities, and many people still do, it didn't change and you don't have to had gone to Woodstock to truly experience it or whatever.

>>738020125
>OG OoT
it was great at the time but the master edition is just better and MM/WW hard filtered tourists

>>738021212
for some people the highlight of their month is finally making a bait thread that hits 500 replies

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>>738024334
>master edition

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>>738020125
I went through a faggy contrarian phase where I thought it was cool and unheard of to prefer Majora's Mask for how unique of a literal gameplay loop it had and the transformation masks letting you do things you couldn't in Ocarina, but after playing through Ocarina and the 3DS remaster combined probably like 5 times by the time I was in my late teens I realized that it really was just that good. It remains the best execution of the 3D Zelda formula it established.
>>738024334
Master Quest is a cute novelty but I can't really say I prefer any of the altered dungeons besides maybe Inside The Great Deku Tree. They even made the Water Temple easier which was gay as hell.

Nintendo cannot fuck up the remake of this.

Like, it would be genuinely impressive if they actually did somehow and managed to make something genuinely terrible out of it despite having the absolute best base to work from that exists.

>>738025390
they already fucked it up once with the 3DS demake, so everything's possible

>>738020125
I liked it as a kid. I don’t care if you like or not. I don’t really care for it much anymore myself. 2D Zeldas are more fun.

>OoT remake
>Link starts using the Hidden skills
I think I would cry.

>>738024849
>to prefer Majora's Mask
try outside the fucking franchise for an actual based take, you just look dimwitted to say one Zelda is some elite taste

>>738025390
1. They will make everything 1 4th as fast.
2. With Disney cartoon graphics.
3. With big attack markers on bosses things do quest here things this is how you do this puzzle for modern gaming audience.
4. Fast travel.
5. Fully orchestra ost like links awakening but while fully killing the feeling of the original game.
6. A mode where the game plays itself so you don't need to figure things out.
7. Enemies die in 1 hit instead of taking
8. If you spam attack your character goes into an animation lock.
9. The highest damage a enemy can do will only take 1/4th of heart


There is your Zelda remade bro

>>738020125
the problem I have with threads like this is the implication of what sort of games are better. like the industry hasn't watered down adventure elements at every turn for the last 25 years. OoT isn't that smart but neither are the open world combat sims that followed it.

>>738025970
Oblivion killed off Zelda 3d for me
Binding of Isaac killed 2d Zelda

Skyrim killed off oblivion because it was so trash I could never play the series again

>>738025948
>There is your Zelda remade bro
You made it sound delightful, so I'm in.

>>738025970
>watered down adventure elements
like what are we talking? Witcher 3 is straight up how I see a mature Ocarina of Time in modern time. no you don't go into a whale. but yes you do get teleported to alternate realities and you find secret passages and it's quirky and it's also gritty.

Complaining about the graphical or other hardware limitations missing in Ocarina of Time is like complaining that Beethoven's symphonies don't have electric guitar. You can add that stuff later, and maybe it even improves it, but the original is still an enjoyable masterpiece.

>>738025449
The 3DS remake was one of the only reasons people bought the 3DS at first. The black and gold Zelda 3DS that came with it is now incredibly expensive to buy used because so few people want to resell it and so many people want to buy it. The game was wildly popular, and people generally like it as an option to the original, although plenty of people prefer the original for a variety of reasons. To me, "fucking up" a remake is worse than that.

>>738026210
That's like comparing the first album of Korn or slipknot and then switching it to modern "rock"

Witcher 3 combat is the worst physical combat I ever seen in a game and it is just loved for it's gay ass story

>>738025864
>you just look dimwitted to say one Zelda is some elite taste
Why do you think I began that post by saying that I went through a retarded phase when I was younger, Anon?

OoTsnoys never explain what they want the OoT remake to play like which I find pretty damning.

>>738026451
It would be nice if it was faster dark souls like the feeling of oot speed but the combat of souls games

>>738026319
>Witcher 3 combat is the worst physical combat I ever seen in a game
it's better than Oot, so truly a moot point

>>738026451
Ootsnoys want the Oot remake to play like nothing. They're snoys, they want PS5 to get games.

>>738026451
Nobody except retards would want an Ocarina of Time remake/remaster to play differently outside of QoL changes like assigning items to the D-Pad or gyroscopic aiming.

>>738026734
The fuck you talking about none of the weapons feel like they make any impact which is the opposite of oot oot one weapon makes fighting all enemies feel different where witcher it's call of duty combat but in melee

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>>738020617
>>738021043
>>738021392
>>738026798
Retard brown

>>738027029
>meanwhile in Oot
>hit an enemy
>they turn blue
weeeee

No one actually cares about this game
It's just a weapon to shitpost with. See the OoTsnoys posts to see what I mean.
Also Mega Man Legends was the better game.

>>738027580
Oot seriously never gets genuine threads. It's always a thread about it sucking, or a thread about how heckin totally tubular it was when they were 8 years old.

>>738027580
Ocarina of Time is a solid game but I think you can only really love it after you do several randomizers of it, only then you'll be able to really appreciate every mechanic and the way everything is made, and that's just using glitchless logic because it gets crazy if you factor those in. I still prefer MM when it comes to vanilla though

>>738021212
why has it been sucked off every single day for decades? its about time we corrected course and spoke the truth on this trash.

>>738020125
it was my favorite as a kid but nowadays I can't really play any 3D zelda without getting bored anymore. And it's not even a matter or being bored because I've played them all to death, I've never finished TP and I just can't bring myself to get past the first like two dungeons before dropping it and playing something else. I recognize that they're well made I guess I just don't find them very engaging anymore.

>>738027982
MM is interesting because it's basically open world Zelda, but without the massive scale of BotW and Totk and busyworked dotted around everywhere. I would love for the next open world Zelda to try something like MM again, a smaller but denser world with all sorts of meaningful side content.

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The year is 2026
Modern 3D tools, game development workflows and level editors are still limited to placing loose geometry on loose geometry. Sometimes you see some BSP, or maybe a octree stuff, but its rare.
And if you do it in tiles, there is a good chance the setup do not allow it to scale to 3D. Modern 2D games are struggling to make as complex dungeons as ALTTP.

So OOT and MM remains at a point where nothing is even trying to close in the distance.
Especially since its at a level where hitstun, animation, hitboxes and interaction is at a level that has not been dated in any way. Its competition of its age barely kept up.

>>738020125
>Why aren't people capable of placing their nostalgia. You are talking about a great point in your life when you played this game when it was new. It hasn't been new in 28 years. It's just your nostalgia doing all the talking.
Marco Meatball is playing the series in a reverse order and just started OoT. At the end of Twilight Princess he said "I get it now." and he was like "I'm SAD!!" because of the Midna finale. 1 hour into OoT and he says "I might like this better. It's got more personality."

It's not just time, bro. People play this game and see something in it. It's the music, it's the imagination it gives you. It's how it's not rigidly linear and lets you loose in a "mysterious Hyrule" once the Deku Tree ends. Something OoTsnoys can't see when they talk about it now, is how wonderful Hyrule is when you've never seen it yet. When you don't know what's to the west, or where the Castle town is, or what "Lon Lon Ranch" is. What the little forested area with nothing is.

The same feeling BotW created is something OoT actually created for first-timers initially. It wears off, but that first impression is so important, and the game rewards curiosity with NPCs that seem interesting. Side quest hints, and where the main quest is eventually found, and following the main quest leads to kino. The Adult Twist is a pivotal moment even if you've caught on to the game telegraphing it through items, or all the dialogue saying "You're not a real man".

He had a good point on his stream, Marco. He stopped while Zelda's lullaby was playing in the Castle garden, and pontificated on what makes it special. And he says
>It's a mother singing for her child.
And it's what the game is about. OoT is Nintendo singing a lullaby for children. And it's not past its age to be mesmerized by that as an adult. It's mature to be an adult and recognize what a game means to children.

If you don't know who Marco is, then fuck off btw

>>738021278
>Laura's Cloud Save
>I don't know who that is
Woman! Woman! S-SEX-- SEXO, SEXOOOO!!!!
HUFF HUFF HUFF!! MMMhhhMOOCHMOOCHMOOCH

>>738031149
>Modern 2D games are struggling to make as complex dungeons as ALTTP.
elementallis.

>>738032376
>random eceleb shit
>impressions before actually playing
>waxing poetic about your own imagination and not what the game actually is
>pretending that the purpose of a lullaby is suddenly a profound revelation
>pretending that the game is a lullaby
>pretending that lullabies somehow have some sort of intrinsic and enduring quality, and that it isnt the result of being imprinted on a formative mind (nostalgia)
you're literally proving anon right that all you have is nostalgia and emotional appeals. also, judging a game based on the story and cutscenes discredits their opinion. while they are factor, they are only a PORTION, and much smaller than the actual gameplay.

imagine being this emotionally mindbroken by a fucking n64 game. LMFAO

>>738032969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPhfbtjqWM8
just listen to this, HATER and then fuckn
DIE
Just fucking DIE
DIE DIE DIE HATER
HATER DIEDIEDIE!!!
FUCK OFF, AND LET US ENJOY THINGS UUUUUGHGGHHH!!!

>>738020125
You had to be there.

>>738027982
Should just replay Botw and get the same notion, but it's actually in-built by the developers, rather than a mod.

Twilight Princess is enough proof of why Ocarina is so great given how the former blatantly copied the later down to getting an upgraded version of a prexisiting item you had in the last dungeon.

>>738032376
>Marco Polo
you don't even know what it is

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>>738034297
TP is better because of the ways it's not just Oot. Oot could never.

>>738034221
>Should just replay Botw
I mean, if you liked BotW it's the logical choice but personally I hated it. I only gave rando OoT a choice because I loved the base gameplay and level design so it's a great way of going back for seconds, with BotW I couldn't stand the first go

>>738026451
Stop trying to force "snoy" as a generic term. You just sound retarded and out yourself as a troll.

>>738020125
OoT was great for its time. Not of all time, just its time.

It used to be good, but now it fucking sucks.

>>738035015
Modded SoH kicks ass

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>>738034297
TP isn't bad because OoT is so good. TP is just semi bad because it's... a 6th gen semi mid game. It's got great moments, but it has confusing story beats, and often tries way harder to do something they already did better with simplicity.
The difference is in writing. OoT had Toru Osawa who also worked on the Famicom Detective games, who had a knack for developing and unfolding a narrative. Majora's Mask and Wind Waker had some other guy who also had writing as his main forte. TP had Aya Kyogoku, a QA girl who recently joined the company and played an everyman, and somehow got to be the main writer of TP's script, and then went on to (ruin) direct Animal Crossing New Leaf.

A lot of the mistakes come from there. Foids can write, but a lot of foids just think they can write because they're not good at other more practical things, so TP's dialogue is pretty muddied with cute writing that doesn't go anywhere, because she was just vibe-writing, while previous Zelda writers did more systemic writing. OoT has a script that is fully of thematic clues from beginning to end. They call you "not a proper man" and "just a child", and talk about healing "sadness" and stuff like that. All of Sheik's lyrics are about the passage of life through time from birth to rebirth, mirroring Link's coming of age as you start to notice all these "adult feelings" (the girls leaving Link, and leaving family behind), and about facing the greatest darkness that corrupts the world: Just a "man", who Link fights with his childhood's innocence in the blade he pulled out.

In Majora's Mask they also play on the themes of regret and the whole "what if the world ends one day?" and explore that and all of the game's moments and dialogue are foils to that subject. Wind Waker does the same, with the water above the "old world" figuratively meaning the renewed perspective that new generations of children have, in a next-gen product, who don't understand past Zelda shit,
>1/2

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>>738035230
>cont.
...are replacing the ones who are aging and remember and cherish what Zelda used to be. That's reflected in Link and Tetra vs The King of Red Lions and Ganondorf, who live in each world, New vs Old Generation, and the old guys are evil -- even the King admits in the end "I was the same as him" in his yearning for more of Hyrule and not the Great Sea. Wind Waker is about letting traditions go, and staying attentive to what renews children's interest, just like Nintendo had to recognize once they saw Zelda fans of the NES days losing interest in Nintendo doing what they used to do.

TP doesn't have any of this IMO. It's way more self-serious, "canonical", and it doesn't tackle a deeper subject. Maybe "Bravery"? There's some good heroism in TP, and it is satisfying to see Link develop trust with Midna, and then save her at the end. But ultimately, the writer of TP is no longer "speaking" to the gamer and the Nintendo fan, or the Zelda fan. They're hollowly speaking to fans of OoT going
>"Isn't this just like what you wanted??"
But that's all there is to it. TP as its own thing does not transcend in the way that the other Zeldas are transcendant. Even Link's Awakening has a nice theme about dreams and memories, and telling you that this short Game Boy Zelda you experienced may not be something as important as the "Main" ones, but even though it was "all a dream" you remember every part of it, and it has a place in your heart etc.

Those are also good little emotional hymns to children who play games as they develop their feelings and a reminder that "hey it was just a game."

In short, most older Zelda games, mainly OoT, MM, WW and LA, contain more of a "magic" because they actually communicate with the player about stuff that you can relate to, and in that sense OoT is not just about "needing to be there". We may not be kids, but you can still play OoT and empathize with what being a kid who plays it is like. Even if you missed that generation.

>>738035230
>>738035620
Bringing up Wind Waker but I gind it ironic how that game gets brought up as an example of a game held up by aesthetics when said aesthetics actually do elevate the game more than something like Skyward Sword which relies entirely on aesthetics to hide just how hollow it is

>zoomer still seething he was born around TP/SS years
sad

>>738020125
>objectively review this game
>it's an actual 9/10
>for its first entry in 3D, this is actually fucking amazing
>NO NONO NONO THIS GAME IS OVERRATED YOU ARE BLINDED BY NOSTALGIA REEEEEEEEEEE
these people are insufferable

>>738035915
They both try an evocative art direction that ultimately doesn't have a lot to do with why it's good. Look at the DS ones. That's also WW's art-style, but they're only 8/10s.

>>738035915
>retard doesn't realize that Wind Waker is a shallow as fuck experience and the graphics are the ugliest in the series

>>738035915
Aesthetics are literally all Wind Waker has, besides I guess making the hero just some kid with no prophecy behind him able to take on Ganondorf with the Master Sword.

>>738020308
I agree, but it's still a great game

>>738031149
I doubt any new "gamer" can complete Ocarina's Water Temple dungeon without yellow paint, they would be stuck there forever and abandon the game

>>738020125
why do botwsnoys seethe so hard over OoT?

>>738026210
Christ, no wonder /v/ is so shit these days if these are the types of people posting here.

>>738020125
I grew up with it. Beat it on the Thanksgiving weekend it came out. It was shit then it's still shit now.

>>738038842
Because the game isn't designed around making the dungeons optional.

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>>738025864
>try outside the fucking franchise
Finally, my time to shine! Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon is a better 3D Action/Adventure game.

I don't think OoT is impressive anymore today but Majora's is still one of the greatest games ever made and it's baffling that no one has ever tried to copy it

>>738020125
it still holds up today

>>738020308
Seriously. Every time someoene calls OoT the greatest game of all time I laugh my ass off. It wasn't even the best Zelda game on the N64, how the fuck can it be the best game of all time?

>>738020125
It's the perfect transition of a 2D adventure game into a 3D adventure game, much like Mario 64 was the perfect transition of 2D Platforming to 3D Platforming.

>>738020308
4 dungeons

>>738038842
Other way around. Botwfags barely even know OoT exists while OoTfags are sobbing and shitting their pants 24/7 because BotW has liberated the franchise from their multi-decade death grip.

>>738041457
Majora's Mask is not better than OoT. Only contrarians say that.

>>738041495
>Dude how can BotW be worse than OoT, it has hundreds of shrines VS just 8 dungeons!
See how stupid you sound?

>>738041539
Contrarians? You mean people who played both games? The mainstream opinion right now is that BotW is the better game than OoT, does that make you a contrarian for disagreeing? Or just someone with a brain?

4chan has lost its fucking mind ever since 2016. You attack opposing viewpoints even worse than Reddit does these days.

>>738041724
BotW being better than OoT is literally comparing games on entirely different Metrics. They're not even the same type of game.

>>738041539
I'd say it is. It's definitely more charming and eerie than OoT.

>>738041539
It was really smart of the developers to make Majora's Mask so different. You can't really say either game is strictly better than the other because they're both completely unique in terms of progression and story.

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BotW doesn't have this

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>>738041791
>eerie
That's the most obvious you've trolled so far.
>>738041807
It was, but MM is not a better holistic experience. it's a short-story and OoT is a 3-act adventure.
>>738041861

>>738020617
Yes

The N64 is a piece of shit, but a few of its games have stood the test of time. The multiplayer in Smash 64 is still relatively decent to play today. Star Fox 64 is a decent rail shooter, and its scoring system adds a ton of replay value. Pokémon Puzzle League is a Panel de Pon clone that's super addictive and playable. Dr. Mario 64, despite being ugly as hell (the N64 couldn't even display sprites on screen without messing everything up), is still playable. Among a few others...
Ocarina of Time isn't on the list, in my opinion. I just don't consider it a really good game, and I didn't back when I played it as a kid.
The fact that it runs at 20 frames per second and consists of braindead exploration, combat and puzzles doesn’t help. I can't believe there are people who play Ocarina of Time today and still have any illusion that they're playing something truly exceptional.

But I understand how impressionable people overvalue things due to social pressure. 80% of the population is too stupid to see things with their own eyes, and they let their personal experience be influenced by what society says. It's the same phenomenon that makes someone read a crappy book or see a ridiculous art exhibition and think they've had a transcendental experience just because the author’s name is famous.

Mega Man Legends aged better.

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>>738041915
When you play BotW. It's a fine experience with moments of peace of mind unlike anything you get from other contemporaries.
But when you finish BotW, you're left with no satisfaction. Because the story isn't good. The cutscenes aren't good. The attempt to cue in the "Legend of Zelda" melody falls flat. The game lacks an oomph after all it's been, which seems to highlight a fundamental lack of something, despite having had 10/10 traversal and a living breathing forestscape and mountainsides and tropical forests and the desert. BotW is a great hike, but that's all the game is. It's a trek, not an adventure.

>>738022950
Zoom zoom

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>>738041993
It doesn't have an emotional payoff.

>>738041915
bro you witness the deaths of all the people who eventually become the masks you wear

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>>738042038
It lacks a collection of ideas and summation of where they took you. The champions only serve to highlight how shallow the lore and characters of BotW are.

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>>738020308
>>738021043
Kids kids. This is best zelda game. Oot rip this off

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>>738042079
It lacks a proper story.

>>738020125
The fuck kind of games do you think are better then?

>>738025390
We both know that 99% of the discussion will be about the dumbest shit and not the actual quality of the game.

>>738020308
Which is in turn mogged by Twilight Princess.

>>738025390
Is this confirmed yet? Are they making a f remake? Why they cant port the 3ds remaster on the switch?

>>738020125
I didn't grow up with it and I understood it entirely when I played it later in life. OoT is genuinely fantastic and it's not simply nostalgia. The game introduces and makes use of all of its gameplay mechanics throughout the entire playthrough, while also having great pacing.

>>738020125
Yes of course because its impossible to talk about “the object in reality” isolated from “your perception of the object in reality”. The only way we can communicate with each other is through our own unique perspective of reality around us.
What would even be the point of trying to analyze art the same way you would solve a math problem or perform a scientific study? Those are not valid methods of analysis for this type of thing.

My experience with Ocarina of Time was amazing, it was unforgettable and probably will never be matched by an experience with any other game.

I don’t think that means that everyone’s experience or perception is equally valid on all things, though. For example why would I trust the opinion of some zoomer who grew up on Fortnite and Minecraft about their opinion on video games when we have nothing in common?

>>738041508
this, for most now botw is what zelda is, they know nothing of the other games

>>738020125
After playing enough rom hacks I will say the control holds up enough to be practically timeless. Not having two joysticks is about the only restriction. It's a game with nearly untapped potential.

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>>738020125
Do people think mario 64 is overrated? Or star fox 64? Why oot gets shit on?

>>738020308
>I sure love farming for equipment after I go back in time!
>I sure love having to restart a quest after the day changes!
>I sure love having a time limit for a series known for exploration!
>I sure love having to use a guide to find all the useless masks!
>I sure love having only 4 shitty dungeons
>I love standing around waiting for time to pass in the evening because I have nothing better to do while I wait for an NPC to catch up on their schedule
MM sucks

it's still a great game, and you haven't even played it.