>only usable with SteamInto the trash it goes.
Console walled garden badSteam walled garden good
>>738034414Source?
>>738034414The STEAM controller? You don't say
>>738034449Who said console walled gardens were good?
>>738034530polygon
>>738034414I dunno why I'd need it when my old xbox controller still works pretty well. What does this thing actually offer? The touchpads seem frivolous.
Literally untrue. >Linux kernel modules show that the Steam Controller had native support years ago, even without Steam running Any problems are pre-release or windows jeetware issues.
>>738034449This, but unironically
>>738034695If you have used the steam deck ones they are incredibly intuitive for games that aren't fully controller compatible but can still be played with them, as you can quickly do a couple of things with the trackpad that you would do with the mouse and then back to the gamepad. It works quite well.
>>738034826Literally untrue>Linux kernel modules have shown that Steam Controller is not recognized at all. This seems to be huge oversight by the engineering team experts say. Hopefuilly Steam Controller 3 will fix this issue.
>Source: My ass>Source: Crackpipe>Pick one of the above or combine them together
>>738034530it's fake news. only if you want to reprogram, or use the trackpads.the controller part works like any other xbox or ps controller.
Literal fake news.
Computers recognize it as a mouse and keyboard by default. Early reviews mentioned being able to navigate their computer BIOS with it.You can probably hold the start button to swap to it being a generic controller like on the Steam Deck, but I'm not sure
The fact that it works on phone over 2.4ghz is interesting. I haven't used a third party that worked that way yet.
>>738035397wtf is lizard mode?
>>738035397wtf is bpm?
>>738034530Reviewers, such as >>738035397
Imagine unironically not wanting to use steam input with this thingThat's literally the point
>>738035397Ubuntuchads got eff'd
>>738034695why did this get deleted?>>738035007i know a lot of people really like them for FPS but for using them as a mouse on desktop mode they are really nice
>>738035397Deal breaker for me, if you're charging a premium, then fucking fix your shit, i dont care what you have to do.
>>738035510A really basic input that gives you mouse on the right track pad and enter/escape to A and B
>>738035851>having to create an account and keep software running at all times to use a controller is good actuallyFuck off.If any other company did this, nobody would defend it.
>only usable on the switch 2into the trash it goes.
>>738034414>>738036035Exactly why I bought an 8bitdo controller that works on both.
>>738035990>Buys an advanced controller only to restrict it to 10 years old chinkware tier functionality
>>738036169>onlyAnon other controllers have modern features while STILL providing an xinput mode as an option, it's simple convenience. Valve has no fucking excuse.
>>738036169>chinks allow 80% of the features for 40% of the price, and more ergonomics
>>738036228Why would they need an excuse when retards will run defense for them.
>>738034414what's next? will they take away the ability to use my ps5 controller with my xbox series x?
>>738036228Then use those controllers, wincuckNobody's stopping you, feel free to sink with Microsoft>>738036251chinks use a feature set from 20 years ago, yes
>>738035972There's nothing to fix, broke bitch.
third-party controllers won once again
>>738036035technically it does support dinput
>>738034449What walls? It literally says lizard mode works on Android, and tinkering with it is explicitly permitted.Android support is doable if someone programs it, and valve isn't going to dmca you over it.>>738035972What's to fix?? You want it working on ps5???
>>738036617Do you know what lizard mode is, anon?It's practically useless, especially on android
>>738034449a console controller can play any game on a consolevalve's controller can't play any game on pc outside of their own store
>>738036539>>738036617>buy this piece of plastic that only works on a system that at most 1% of steam users use or have steam running at all times and add non steam games to itIf you dont see the problem in this, you're too retarded to even argue with. This will be another hardware flop for valve
>lootboxes are good when valve does them>trannies are good when valve promotes them>overpriced hardware is good when valve does it
>>738036902Yes.
>>738036690It CONNECTS, which is critical. The rest is just software to translate lizard input into more usable input. Which is actually the easy part really. Getting a device to read inputs is like 65% of the work.>>738036810>only works on a system that at most 1% of steam users useSo.... out of all steam users, only 1% of steam users are steam users??I...are you... what?????
>TMR>Trackpack >35 hours battery life>replaceable battery>ifixit partsYep, I'm going to buy
Remember the previous steam controller failed so hard they had to sell it on clearance for $5 to get rid of it
>>738037028>The rest is just software to translate lizard input into more usable input.Barely any of its buttons do anything in lizard mode, afaik you only have>right trackpad (mouse)>right trigger (left mouse click)>left trigger (right mouse click)left trackpad (arrow keys)>left joystock (also arrows keys)>A (enter)>B (esc)That's all you get. How the fuck are you supposed to map that as a gamepad?
>>738037180Do you enjoy lying?
>>738036810>"That's Life" by Frank Sinatra starts playing >On today's Chuddie's News: The New Steam Controller is confirmed not to work on any system besides SteamOS>Our source says only 1% of users will use the controller>Valve is expected to declare bankruptcy by the end of this year
>>738034449>walled garden >let's you run pirates games or any exes you want and modify anything as much as you want too >walled garden consoletards cant be this retarded
>premium controller without xinputGeniuenly why lol. 90% of older titles and emulators run better and have best compatibility with it. Same with mods that add controller support - almost all use xinput.
>>738035510Think of it analogous to the Lizard Brain. It's the part of the brain that keeps its function even when other parts are shut down like in a fight or flight situation.
>>738037180And why is that relevant?
>>738037264Damn dude, i was absolutely wrong, its 5%, guess it fine then
>NOOO I'M TOO STUPID TO CONFIGURE LIZARD MODE AS A CONTROLLERJust like with the original Steam Controller, Steam Controller 2 is filtering retards
>>738034608Xbox controllers can be used on pc and phone and they don't complain about needing an xbox app open. If you want to be treated like dirt you don't have to pay $100 for that
>>738037537history repeats itself
>>738034414jesus christ is God adonai is omnipotent
>>738037687You have less than half the controllers inputs available in Lizard mode. I also couldn't help but notice you made no attempt to reply to me directly >>738037216 where I pointed this out.
>>738034414>symmetrical sticksInto the trash it goes.
>>738037490False. Lots of modern emulators have already implemented sdl, wich it's better than xinput nowadays.
>>738036035switch 2 pro controller has worked natively on PC since launch.
>>738037703You dont have to use any app with Xbox controllers on android. Im using one for emulators through BT without any issues or Xbox app.
>>738034414You can use any controller on the Gabecube tho.
>>738037804>NativelyFalse. You need Steam to detect them or third party software.
>>738037216By making software that properly talks to sc, like steam. You clearly don't understand software for shit but ill try explaining.Imagine steam controller as a well studied traveler. Imagine android as a foreigner who speaks the most MINIMAL FUCKING ENGLISH. You are bitching that the traveler sucks at communicating because the other guy doesn't speak fucking English, even though he still KINDA talks to it already.That's essentially what lizard mode is, an intelligent dude talking to a troglodyte who doesn't know English as Best he can.
That shit looks not even useable regardless>>738034449This kills the drone
>>738037790SDL is ass the fuck are you talking about. They still shit out bugfix focused releases.
>>738037919this is 100% false. it connects to the pc fine and uses xinput. it's been this way since the switch 1. the JOYCONS are the things you need third party software for.
>>738036035>AsymmetricalConfirmed trash
It's crazy that I keep seeing people compare it to the dualsense edge and xbone elite.Those aren't good controllers, and literally nobody anywhere buys them.This shit is 1.5x the price of an xbone or ps5 controller, that is fucking INSANE.I feel like I'm losing my mind that people keep saying "It's better than the $200 slop that no one touches!"like no shit.
>>738037748>nooo you didn't answer ME! ME, King of Cocksuckers!lmao who is this cuck? Set lizard mode to xinput, faggot.
>>738037965why does Valve not provide the software for Android steam controller support yet?Also, that's not really what lizard mode itself is. Lizard mode is a fallback state of emulated basic m+kb controlls that the controller switches to, it is not using lizard mode when you connect it to the right 'communication' software (i.e. the steam input API), it switches back to its normal mode for steam.
>>738037632>Our expert wants to make about a correction about the previous report: Only 5% of users will use the controller. The remaining 95% will find their PCs bricked when trying to plug the device.>It's over for Valve
>>738038162>Set lizard mode to xinput, faggot.You can't, that's the problem. Lizard mode is hardcoded and not customizable in any way as far as I'm aware. Also see >>738038171
>>738038049It also does shit those could never dream of so.... worth it Protip for malding brokies, you can afford a steam controller by donating plasma literally twice
>>738038171Priorities. They have sc launch, software tweaks, making steam input with sc spic and span, steam machine, steam frame, half-life 3(?) and simply don't have time right now for perfecting an extremely Fringe case.Also who plays serious games on phone's???>>738038176Windows can use it if you have steam, aka literally any gamer on pc.
>>738038375>DRM for hardwareInto the trash it goes.
>>738038429>DRM for hardwareWindows?You don't get to cry about it winjeet
>>738038375>simply don't have timeThey had 10 years since the last steam controller they released already...
[Windows and Android users can't use it. That's fine by me, what's wrong with that?
>>738034449My Xbox controller works on my Xbox, my PC, my phone and my weird meme Chinese systems. Where's the wall?
>>738038585>play in Xbox, android and Chinese shitLol kys
>>738038019Into the trash it goes
>>738038705Just like Windows, Android, most consoles, and cheap junk from China
>>738038429>Confusing necessary software needed to even get the thing running, with drm that actively bricks things if you don't use it how they like.>>738038518Considering hardware designing, testing, q/a, steam input, linux, and everything, yes, trying to get it working on linux, which would take huge updates on steam app anyway, yes, it's on the back burner.You are seeing mountains moved, and complaining rubble was left behind.
>no please valve support the indian operating system I'm too stupid for Linux I'm loving the seethe
>>738039225>terry in the picSteam controller doesn't support TempleOS, get rekt faggot
>people legit mad because you need to have steam running>as if 99.9% of people who play games on PC didn't have steam runningA tiny, worthless minority loudly screaming about shit no one cares about
Lol xinputrannies in suicide watch, Go enjoy your drifting controls and ultra-cheap Chinese materials
Can I point out that the only reason other console first controllers work on PC so well or at all is because valve went through the effort of building the translation layer that made them work. Before that it was a wild west of dodgy drivers and bloatware that had the potential to fuck up other USB devices which Microsoft did nothing to address in the decades they had to do it. Yet now this controller is being criticized for not working with other devices as if the onus isn't on companies like microsoft and sony to support the functions of it properly. They're in an unwinnable position. If they add partial windows support they get flooded with support tickets being told their controller doesn't work properly from people who don't know how xinput works, and if they don't support it they have people calling them hostile and anti consumer. How has Microsoft not put gyro in their controllers STILL? What are all controller paddles and back buttons just glorified macros? Why was raw pointer/mouse input an option for consoles DECADES ago? Why would anyone want a steam controller that doesn't do the things that make it worth having?
>>738039497>i use arch btw
>>738034414if only there was some sort of software that people could create to make peripherals work with other programskys
>>738034414>>only usable with SteamNot my problem, lol. This is a Steam(OS) and Linux controller. Imagine not having SDL drivers for every controller possible included in the kernel. Fuck xinput lol.
>>738039510>valve went through the effort of building the translation layer that made them workYou do realize you don't need Steam to use Xinput controllers for emulators and non-Steam games, right?Christ's sake, Valve cultists are something else.
>>738039650>Imagine not having SDL drivers for every controller possible included in the kernel.you mean like most distros? lol
>>738034414Huh, you are mostly corect, however on non steam stuff it works as a touchpad mouse.
>no support outside Steam>the humble reWASD user
>never spend more than $30 on a game controller
>>738039656You don't need to use Windows xinput cancer
>>738034414>>738034449saaar this is not how it works>>738034530>>738034705>>738035686all you need is the raw driver, which is open source, and anybody can make their own stuff
>>738039718>you mean like most distros? lolI'm talking about normal human distros. (Arch, Debian, Fedora, openSUSE, Ubuntu) And derivatives. Not fucking void or nix tranny distros. I have my:>DualShock 3 & 4>DualSense>8bitdo 64bit>Wii remote>GameCube controller>Nintendo Switch Pro Controllerconnected without any issues.
>>738039823>imagine using chinese trash
>>738039906ik I was just being cheeky
>>738039823>chink trashI paid $20 for my 360 controllers, wtf is wrong with people?
>>738039823Gonna pop out that shit dpad and beat you to death with the controller.
>>738039972I love you anon <3
So how is the dpad on this thing? Can I play fightan on it?
>>738039656You don't even know what translation layer means bro.
>>738040053The consensus so far is: maybe?
>>738039823>>738039985It has the lowest latency of any wireless controller, last time I checked.
>>738037804This is not truetime to bring out your favorite chart again explaining why you are retardedYour switch 2 uses direct input, and then uses software to fake it into xinput :)The drivers are detected and downloaded onto your computer via windows update as part of the "plug n play" protocol that is 30 years old.It is no different than a steam controller in the "lizard mode" your people whine about, except its "steaminput" is part of the plug N play catalogueYou shills were whining SO much about xinput before this chart was made, as well :)
>>738040121no it doesn't. switch 2's lizard mode is xinput.
>>738040053I played tekken 8 and sf6 on the Steam Deck, you have to get used to the dpad, but I can back and wavedash, ewgf, fireball, uppercut no issues. It's a bit mushy, oldschool but somehow good, can't explain it. But I prefer playstation style dpads in general.
>>738040154wrooooongoxinput does not support the switch 2 controllers features.Anything more complicated than an original xbox 360 will NOT work natively with xinput.xinput is ancient shit that everybody just EMULATES with software :)as per the chart >>738040121This has been the industry standard for a long time
>>738040295>xinput does not support the switch 2 controllers features.yes. I said LIZARD MODE.
>>738040121>this retarded chart againController input is handled like this:>controller -> driver stack -> Steam Input -> gameOutputting data to the controller is like this:>game -> Steam Input -> driver stack -> controller(i.e. the reverse of the same path)
>>738040316And I explained how you were stupid and wrong, wrongo"Lizard mode" is a STEAM controller thing.Nintendo doesn't HAVE anything like thatThey have not even announced anything like that.Next time try not to LIE like a retard, m'kay? :)>>738040482>SAAAAR DO NOT USE PC ITS A DRIVER STACKwe know you are retarded and don't understand english, pajeet
>>738040518The chart is wrong because you put Steam Input both before AND after the PC.
Yeah Valve should be like Sony, who famously made the touch pad on the PS5 controller work natively on Windows.
>>738040295I hate this whole xinput debate.An analogy for how retarded this is, is if a translation device could make you seem to natively speak any language by plugging it into your throat.But if you use it to present a speech in Chinese, people shriek that you can't do that because you can't speak Chinese, AS YOU YOU ARE SPEAKING CHINESE with the implant. But they say that's not good enough because YOU don't know Chinese, even if the implant is indistinguishable, and works fine assuming you aren't around heavy magnetic fields or whatever.But people insist you literally can't speak Chinese, as you are literally speaking Chinese.
>ABXY>i primarily play nintendo>games says hit X>it's the wrong buttongod bless my autism
>>738040560I am aware you don't know how steaminput handles things, pajeet>>738040594the only reason it exists is for shills to scream and bitch and try to stop people from considering buying it.xinput is faked though because its a device stuck in 1800's english, chinese, and russian, and JUST those 3 languages.
>>738040654>I am aware you don't know how steaminput handles things, pajeetI know how it works, I outlined it right here >>738040482
>>738040667>saaaaaar use the EXACT CORRECT WORDS (the only words he knows) OR IT IS WRONGyeah don't care, pajeet.fuck off and learn more english.Chart is fine and accurate as it is.
>>738040581So true! And Microsoft too, for letting us control our Windows desktop with an Xbox controller! Valve would never.
>>738040731The chart is utter nonsense
Valve is the Apple of gaming
>>738040747>saar this chart is UTTER NONSENSE!and yet it shut you fags up for a week :)
>>738040784huh?
>>738040818>saaar explain my stupidityno :)
>>738040101Use the wired version like a normal person.
JUST WAIT FOR THE EVENTUAL 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE OR GET REWASD IF YOU ARE AN IMPATIENT FAT FUCK ITS NOT THAT HARD. ITS GONNA GET THE SUPPORT IN A MONTH TOPS YOU ARE ALL RETARDED, THIS HAPPENS WITH EVERY SINGLE NON-XINPUT CONTROLLER EVER FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
>>738040834if you're gonna shitpost at least try to make sense
>>738040858>THIS HAPPENS WITH EVERY SINGLE NON-XINPUT CONTROLLER EVERFriendly reminder the original steam controller (2015) never got additional protocol support for dinput or xinput.
>>738040863>saaar my shitbrained pajeet mind must be able to understand you or you cannot post!oh noooooo the pajeet shill is making rules!what EVER will I do? :)
>>738040931Thats cause Its NOT X INPUT its not that hard of a concept to learn
>>738041052you would think it wouldn't be hard for these same people to learn to shit in a toilet but they can't do that either.
>>738041052You can make quite literally any modern controller emulate xinput, all they'd have to do is update the controller's firmware to support it.
>>738039985My 360 controller developed stick drift. That's why I got the controller in that pic.
>>738041168emulating xinput isn't native.everything just emulates it, and so will steaminput.no point in updating an outdated thing they aren't tinkering with anymore.
>>738039287>No templeOSSupport Linux support any unis open source code for him but you cannot because you are vibe jeeter
>>738041214>emulating xinput isn't native.for all intents and purposes, it is (since it is still PnP for the end-user if done properly), this is what the vast majority of third party controllers do.
>>738034449FIPPYBIPPY
>>738041265>its the exact same thing dudethen you have nothing to argue over because Steaminput is doing exactly what you are arguing aboutand no, it still isnt.
>>738037180why do so many people lie on the internet?
>>738041328>then you have nothing to argue over because Steaminput is doing exactly what you are arguing aboutIt isn't, since Steam Input is a high-level software input translation layer, while a controller emulating xinput protocol is communicating entirely at a low-level (native input driver sees the controller as if it's a native xinput device, and treats it as such)
>>738041204>My 360 controller developed stick drift>mfw have 3 360 controllers under heavy use, none with stick driftBS. You may have been extremely unlucky, either way you can change the piece rather easily yourself and not worry about it afterwards
>>738041398completely false.you are using the same shit steam OS does, per this chart >>738040121using a wrapper at the user level.same shit.again and again and again.the "native input driver" you speak of DOESNT EXIST.You have the game-side interface, and the controller interface.the controller sends its own modern non-xinput shit, the software fakes it into xinput, and then the game gets xinput stuff back.
>>738040858>ITS GONNA GET THE SUPPORT IN A MONTH TOPSYeah, just like Valve eventually allowed Artifact players to invite friends like they said they would
>>738041537Typo, I meant native xinput driver
I'm still using my 8bitdo ultimate I got on sale for $35 two years ago
>>738041582the native xinput driver is nothing more than an ancient roadblock microsoft refused to fix for years.Everyone uses wrappers to fake their way through it.Microsoft is looking to replace it entirely with gameinput, and will then AGAIN use a wrapper to fake xinput for older games looking for it.AGAIN, per the chart. >>738040121
>>738041537>you are using the same shit steam OS does>the controller sends its own modern non-xinput shit, the software fakes it into xinputNo, controllers that emulate the xinput protocol via firmware do not require any software installation whatsoever, not even a driver install. They literally use the xinput system driver. For example, if you took e.g. one of those 8bitdo controllers (that has mode-switching), its xinput mode is emulating the protocol and is recognized by Windows automatically as an xinput device, no software is required for this.Also, stop redirecting me to that dogshit chart.
>>738041589same except my right trigger stopped working so i remapped it to one of the back buttons. it's probably just dirty in there but i'm too lazy to fix it.
Where does valve manufacture these controllers? Where do they get the materials from? Everything probably looks so funny like just imagine a big factory line of the ugliest gooks and chinks you can possibly imagine like screwing shit on by hand and machining parts in like the dustiest ass place. And there’s like huge turnover rates but the jobs are all easy as possible to deal with the revolving door of employees because everyone’s like dying or whatever. Ahahahaha. Damn this realities like a complete embarrassment dude nothing is even slightly interesting or worth building dude what the fuck. What the fuck is this? Dude holy shit those chinks make the crappiest pc parts, if this controller isn’t made by white men im not buying.
>>738041731>controllers that emulate the xinput protocol via firmware do not require any software installation whatsoeverWRONG AGAINstupid stupid idiot.are you the plug n play retard that thinks automatic processes to setup the software FOR YOU behind the curtain are "native support" ?try consulting the chart again, you must be struggling to read it :) >>738040121
>>738041559Hi Artifact poster i havent seen you in a while
>>738041872Now you're just making shit up and are not arguing in good faith (as if you ever were). Cya faggot
>>738041850>crying about materialsABS plastic has been used for controllers for 40 years bro.>made by chinksso the same as xbox and sony's overpriced garbage?>>738041913>SAAAR YOU ARE *shuffles poo-stained cards* MAKING THINGS UP!>SAAR I AM GOING TO LEAVE NOWits almost like people WANT retarded shills like you to leaveNext time, don't show up m'kay? :)
>>738041251Wanna try that post again, in English?
>>738034414Well I unironically think it's better to use a switch pro controller and a dualshock over this then. At least they work on everything.
>>738041731Why were you talking about xinput emulation via firmware when nothing on windows DOES that shit, faggot?You need custom hardware with microcontrollers for that.It's completely irrelevant to 90% of controllers unless you buy some custom arcade sticks.>>738041913>Faggot reddit-cries and declares he is running awayStay the fuck out.
>>738042121>Why were you talking about xinput emulation via firmware when nothing on windows DOES that shitI'm talking about the controller's own firmware.
>>738042190and the only controllers that USE that firmware are... nothing relevant to the argument.stupid retarded pajeet is desperate.This isn't some custom rasberry pi bullshit.
>>738042276it's what most third party controllers do to achieve PnP native xinput support.
>>738042338>it's what most third party controllers donope.>PNP>nativeit IS the retard who doesn't know how anything works!PNP isn't native support, retard :)its also scanning online to see if it has the driver and downloading it.
>>738042457Nah It's the 8bitdo shill trying to hide his nature.The shitty chinkslop guys started using it because its cheap and their controllers are dogshit without any advanced features anyways.
So everything else is fine? Kay then, will buy.
>>738042457>>738042546These controllers communicate with the native xinput driver, literally the one that Windows has built-in. I only used 8bitdo as an example, the same applies to a lot of other 3rd party gamepads
>>738042667>it IS the 8bitdo shill>panicks and claims he was using 8bitdo as an example>8bitdo wasn't mentioned by him, was recognized as the source because its the only noteworthy slop using xinput like thisooof caught lying and street-shitting>doesn't deny his sloppy chinkshit can do xinput because it doesn't have anything goodOOOOOOOF
>>738042750>>8bitdo wasn't mentioned by himI mentioned it here >>738041731The same applies to Gulikit, Logitech, Google, Gamesir, Razer, etc.
>>738042854>saar its good thing just like gameSAAAR and googleso its REALLY cheap and shitty, got it.thank god nobody with controllers worth a damn does that.
