>Most elfs in fantasy are super magically advanced beings who are noble and pure hearted>Meanwhile Elder scrolls Dark elfs/Dunmer....>Smoke, do drugs, get drunk, stab eachother in the back for fun, magically harass eachother for fun, worship fake retard gods, worship actual demon gods, create legal government corruption, complain about everyone, complain about themselves, eat bugs, eat bug eggs and have women who are historically the biggest whores in Tamriel to the point the most famous Dunmer women in history fucked the emperors BHC after fucking some random Nord.Name a more retarded race in any fantasy game
Dagoth Ur...whateva happened there
>>738040934Khajiit are pretty retarded, but they're a more endearing and funny type of retarded, as opposed to the pathetic and annoying retarded Dunmer.
tolkien elves are the exception, there's far more subversive versions of elves
>>738040934In other words they're the greatest race in any fatasy game
he was gay, vivec?
>>738040934>n'wah
>>738040934Morrowind dunmers saw what happens with dunmer that allow themselves to be globalized by the imperial dogs and decide to take their cultural traditions up to 11.
>>738040934its crazy how pretty much everything you said there seems to be retconned and we only see it in morrowind. its a shame because it actually makes them interesting.
>>738041598https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrrHmnEyhQ0&t=30ssmall independent game company only enough budget for one mention pls understand it's why I remember it
>>738041779oopshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrrHmnEyhQs&t=30s
>>738041598>pretty much everything you said there seems to be retconnedThe fuck are you talking about? No other game except Morrowind even focuses on Dunmer enough to address those things at all, let alone retcon them.
>this shit is the only morrowind thread on its anniversaryYeah this board is unironically over
>>738040934It's because they are arabs
>>738040934my favorite thing about the dunmer is how despite all the curses, cataclysms, and lost race wars they suffer from, they always act like pompous assholes. any other people would take their patron saint cursing them as a sign to change their behavior, but no, dunmer will double down till they die.>no, actually i LIKE being grey and ashy all the time!
>>738042509>Nords gave up their literal god given gift because they SIMPLY THOUGHT that Kyne was punishing them for using it to create a Nordic EmpireKWAB for all the eras.
>>738042509They're still uppity arrogant assholes even after being reduced to refugees that have to rely on the limited tolerance of Nords after their shitty homeland become even more shitty. Its almost respectable how unrepentantly scummy they are.
>>738042632jurgen farthuffer was a bitchmade hippie that shouldve died at red mountain.
Elder Scrolls worldbuilding did a good job of differentiating itself from its Tolkien inspiration, which is something a lot of fantasy settings fail to do. It kept getting worse at it though. Cyrodil should be a jungle.
>>738042967>its Tolkien inspirationit was a dnd campaign actually. that itself is tolkien inspired, but tes didnt start pulling directly from tolkien until todd saw the lotr movies.
>>738042967it all started going downhill from Oblivion.
>>738042837It makes sense as Nords treat their religion with the most reverence compared to all the other human races.
So where is The Elder Scrolls™ in this game ?
>>738043382>be talos>conquer tamriel with the thu'um>literally become a god>be jurgen windcaller>lose ONE fight>"noooo we shouldnt shout at people. the gods dont like it."with great warriors like this, its no wonder the nords couldnt take morrowind.
>>738043382>Nords treat the religion the Imperials gave them with the most reverenceFTFY
>>738043812The Imperial religion is literally a combination of both Nordic and the Ayelid religion. The Nordic aspects are still there, it's just more encompassing. They are also "not the same" in one manner (Kyne is not strictly Kynareth), in that their interpretation also give a new aspect of the religion. Like there is thing that both KYNE and KYNARETH represent but they are two similar but different deities, where one can exist with the other.
>>738042632>believe the voice is a gift from Kyne, your warrior goddess>lose one battle>somehow conclude that your warrior goddess has punished you for using her gift to wage warJurgen was a fucking retard and I hate Bethesda for writing something so dumb just to have a convenient excuse for why only the protagonist gets to use the cool power in battle. Also fuck them for reconning it into being dragon magic instead of unique Nord spellcasting.
>>738040934>>Most elfs in fantasy are super magically advanced beings who are noble and pure hearted>>Meanwhile Elder scrolls Dark elfs/Dunmer....Darkies are always evil anon.
>>738040934>>738041289>>738042060>welcome to morrowind!
>>738044173Morrowind gives a detailed explanation of how the Tribunal converted the Dunmer from Daedra worship to their new religion. They did a whole thing of incorporating the Good Daedra and reframing the old religion, so the transition wouldn't be too harsh. The Tribunal religion was presented as like the natural evolution of what the Dunmer already believed in. It also makes sense that the people's interests would be better served by gods who used to be mortal just like them. Like you can buy the fact that people converted from one religion to the other, the appeal is obvious.Skyrim doesn't explain anything like that for why the Nords suddenly believe in the Imperial religion instead of their own, they just do. It makes them seem like servile cucks more than anything. No idea what you're on about because that's definitely not in the game, you just pulled that out of your ass.
>>738045620The Tribunal aren't even "Gods". They're "gods", the same way Mannimarco is a god.
>>738047151Yes they are. Define god in context of Elder Scrolls.
>>738045247>The face a Dunmer refugee makes when he's drank his 50th Sujamma after a hard day's work at yelling at the local stormcloak racists in Windhelm
>>738040934TES Mer are the only elves worth a damn.
>>738047228Aedra and their strands who created Mundus. The gods are Aedra, from the original et'Ada, who relinquished their existence to create the mortal plane. They are the ACTUAL Gods of TES. An example would be The Dragon GOD of time and its many aspects via Akatosh, Alduin, Auri-El, Alkosh.
>>738045620The Empire is so fragmented and an echo of its former glory it doesnt surprise me most Nords would be servile to the Imperialized religion
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>>738040934dunmer are so sick man. even before I knew their lore I just though dark elves with red eyes were sick, then I learned what they were all about and I was sold. I've never played another race in TES
>>738047469If you just reject the concept of Walking Ways then sure. Also, if your definition of 'god' doesn't include the Daedra or people like Talos it's a pretty shitty definition.
>>738040934That's a whole lot of words just to say your outlander ass is mad you can't cook a good kwama egg, n'wah.
>>738047469This is also why the elves don't see Talos as a God, he isn't an Aedra, or Aedric aspect, and see his addition as a form of religious/political propaganda by Man. Then there's the Dunmer that worship Daedra (lmao).
>>738047736see >>738047803The Dunmer worshp the Daedra because of Veloth's heresies.
>>738045620I'll never not be mad about them cutting the nordic pantheon in Skyrim. All just to make sure the Oblivionfags wouldn't get confused.
>>738040934Dark elves do tend to be evil in most settings...
>>738041880Doesn't ESO also have Morrowind?I haven't played it
Blood elves could have been awesome but Blizzard decided to fag them up.
>>738047736Aedra and Daedra in Old Aldmeric is an ancestral signifier in its translation ("our ancestors" vs "not our ancestors". In the most metaphysical sense, it is ancestral worship of those who sacrificed and created the living world. The Daedra are only worshipped like a god but they are themselves not gods, more like divine personhoods who had no hand in creating Mundus.
>>738047862>>738047803>>738048176Elves don't like Talos because of his association with Lorkhan and because he's a human, that doesn't make him any less of a real god. See the Armor of Tiber Septim in Oblivion. >Implying Daedra aren't godshttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Monomyth>"Auriel pleaded with Anu to take them back, but he had already filled their places with something else. But his soul was gentler and granted Auriel his Bow and Shield, so that he might save the Aldmer from the hordes of Men. Some had already fallen, like the Chimer, who listened to tainted et'Ada, and others, like the Bosmer, had soiled Time's line by taking Mannish wives."https://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Redguard_Forum_Madness> "And, finally, Daedra is EITHER DAY-druh OR DEE-druh, depending upon your inclination. DEE-druh is the Dunmeri preference and, since they made up the word, will be more acceptable come TESIII. Means 'Our Stronger, Better Ancestors."Both the Aedra and the Daedra are et'ada ie gods, the distinction between the two was a later invention.
>>738048331See alsohttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Nu-Hatta_of_the_Sphinxmoth_Inquiry_TreeThe definition of god provided here >>738047469 is inadequate
>>738048331Lorkhan is an Aedroth betrayer, he did not participate in creating Mundus, hence his "god" status is that of a Missing God. He cannot be worshipped because he preserved his power like the Daedra and the Magna Ge. They are not even Earthbones (Ehlnofey) who are Aedric spirits that became mortal that further shaped the world of the setting and eventually gave way to Man and Mer.
>>738048671Tiber Septim mantled Lorkhan and he's both worshipped and considered a real godhttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Blood_of_the_Divines>Lorkhan is an Aedroth betrayer, he did not participate in creating MundusNigga he died giving his divine spark to Nirn what do you mean "he didn't participate in the creation of Mundus". > He cannot be worshippedhttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shorhttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Shezarrhttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sheorhttps://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-third-edition-throat-world-skyrim"The population blamed and then curiously exalted the leader of the local witches’ coven, Jsashe, a self-proclaimed priestess of Lorkhan."
>>738048126They were awesome in BC, but then Blizzard decided to just resolve their entire story by the end of the expansion for some fucking reason.
>>738048971That's a fucking heresy and you know it.
>>738048971The fucking Psijic Endeavour is another of Boethiah's LIES, anon. The Aldmeri Dominion was right to render Daedra worship illegal, it brings nothing but death and destruction in want for apotheosis.
>>738049245Lie in what way? The Walking Ways lead to apotheosis, there's no lie. I actually do agree that Lorkhan's ultimate goal of having someone achieve Amaranth and creating a new dream is retarded, the glimpses we see of Akavir depict it as just as much of a hellhole as Tamriel. Running away from trauma doesn't stop the cycle of violence and all that.
>>738049680Mantling in of itself is paradoxical. A child cannot become its parent. It does not create a new god, Talos is not a "new" god, he is an aspect of Lorkhan, if he even "mantled" him. Which would mean Talos is Lorkhan now, revered as "the God of Man", of which makes no sense because the duology is flawed. There is no "God of Elves" save for Auri-El who is technically the God of Time just like what Man sees it, why is there a God of Man? DO YOU NOT SEE THAT IT'S ALL PROPAGANDA
>>738040934They just sound like Dark Eldar
>>738049972>A child cannot become its parent.Reasoning by analogy is no reasoning at all
>>738050575Also funny that he says that about a universe where linear time gets broken occasionally and literally that exact thing has happened beforehttps://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Where_Were_You_..._Dragon_Broke>You think the Cyro-Nordics came up with that all on their own. You humans are better thieves than even Rajhin! While you were fighting wars with phantoms and giving birth to your own fathers, it was the Mane that watched the ja-Kha'jay, because the moons were the only constant, and you didn't have the sugar to see it.
>>738050502They're just Drow that live on the surface instead of caves.
