Why is ff7 remake criticized so much "seriously" while other games in the franchise can be allowed to he called masterpieces and criticism of them is just water under the bridge
With ff7 remake you cant say "yeah this stuff was stupid haha i love this game" otherwise you are a fanboy consoomer, while in other games like ffix with its trash combat and 3rd to 4th disk being bad can be called masterpiece and people dont really criticize it seriously
Basically, with ff7 remake you look at bad first and foremost and then slightlly the good, while other games are just all good except this nitpicks, but they are not bad since "it has soul".
You can feel the special treatment the game has.

>>738060458
FFVII is a good videogame and FFVIIR is not. I'm sorry you find that "unfair"

>>738060504
True

>>738060397
Nostalgia.

>>738060458
Maybe it just fucking sucks. We gave 13 fanboys the same treatment before you were born.

>>738060458
because VIIR goes out of its way to insult the fans of ffvii. The people who waited literally fucking decades for the remake to come out. its more than just a bad game, its an absolute insult that many people took personally. At no point was this game advertised as a sequel, but thats exactly what they did. I cant think of another release that pulls a bait and switch on its fans like that, and it was for one of the most anticipated releases of all time based on one of the most beloved games o all time. All they had to do was make a good faith remake that just tells the original story faithfully and people wouldve happily glossed over its flaws and DEI and censored outfits.

>>738060458
Meanwhile nobody can like any old FF legitimately. You can't like FFVII because it's a good videogame, you must be blinded by nostalgia. People have a hard time accepting others just like FFVII for what it is these days. Let's see you use some of this same energy to fight that "injustice" you persecution complex loser.

>>738060742
>nostalgia
sick of you fucking retards who think the only good quality an old game can have is nostalgia. Why dont I have the same nostalgia for Quest 64?

>>738060932
Because you weren't bombarded by marketing for it as a kid.

>>738060397
I've thought about this on a recent replay, and I think a large part of it is that it still had the tone and design philosophies of the SNES period, but the ability to design backgrounds and maps however they wanted without being limited by memory constraints (or budget, really) let them give every area a unique identity. Even Kalm, arguably the most generic 'RPG village' area in the game, has architecture and furnishings you don't see anywhere else.
If you compare it to FF8 later, areas like the Gardens and the Brothers' Tomb are full of spacious, empty hallways because by then the focus was fully on the CG cutscenes first and cohesion after.

>>738060397
Music, locations and character beats

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>>738061019
Why don't I give a shit about mortal kombat?

>absolutely fucking GOD tier sound track that makes every part of the game leave an emotional imprint
>every party member is significant, goes through a meaningful arc and changes as a person, even the optional characters (even to this day there is almost no other game besides FFVII that actually pulls this off)
>2 hot as fuck waifus to get young teens and incels in the feels and inspire never ending shipping wars
>immaculate pacing, nothing ever feels like a slog. The huge materia quest is as bad as it gets and its still pretty bad ass
>extremely memorable story that was far more creative and ambitious than any game before it and executed very well
>extremely creative and memorable setting that completely turned rpg tropes on its head
>extremely memorable villian perfectly built up from mysterious figure you dont even see until after midgar, to world ending menace (now gets a bad rap after how incredibly lame all of the expanded universe content made him)
>prerendered backgrounds, FMVs, battle models, summons etc were legitimately amazing graphics at the time to impress the normies (and still look amazing today if you're not a shallow retard)
>every village and dungeon in the world is a wildly different vibe than anything else (before this it was a guarantee that every rpg would have a ton of cookie cutter villages and caves)
>was a lot of people's first rpg and/or first 3d videogame so it was extra mind blowing on top of everything else (I went from playing sonic 2 and pitfall on the genesis to ffvii in the same year)
>was made in the 90s when devs were still allowed to be creative and run wild with their passion
It was truly lightning in a bottle in so many aspects, a magical culmination of talent and inspiration that surely will never be repeated again.

Because before FF7 there wasn't as anime/storydriven/cyberpun/fantasy/corpo grand adventure that used as much FMVs, battle animations and large cast with big world building and Akira motorcycles and the mako design with the green magical energy against industrial metal and the sound effect you get when you move materia around

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I just saved you from Sephiroth

because the game treated you like an adult before you became one. I think that's the biggest reason. Along with everything else >>738061337
said.

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>>738061337
>2 hot as fuck waifus
aren't you forgetting someone?

>>738060458
This is the brownest attempt I've ever seen at whining about FF9 being praised.

>>738060885
I don't know why people are shocked. If you've played Kingdom Hearts, you know Tetsuya Nomura is a demented fag. This was never going to be a 1:1 remake and it shouldn't shock people. It's the same reason Blizzard tried to avoid doing Classic WoW - it's a confession that their best years are behind them, that they've lost their creative touch.

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>>738060885
Hello, Snake

>>738061491
You did nawwwwt

>>738061801
Wow how embarrassing, I'll never say anything bad about VIIR again!

>>738061870
Hi, Jimbo

>>738061154
Because you sucked at it.

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>>738061801
You've been posting this for 6 years.
Did you ever go online just to complain about people not liking a game you like... for 6 years? Evidently yes.

>depressing story
>ugly towns
>empty map
>easy hit attack button to win
>some bitching about the planet early on I dont care about
>ps1 jank gameplay literally worst jrpg era between pixel era and ps2 era
>naruto tier writing big bad
>materia is fun but literally nothing in game to use it for minus superbosses I dont care about

this whole FF era blows desu. Just play FF6 and skip to FFX then forget the series existed until stranger of paradise.

>>738060504
I'm still buying remake to see my favorite scoobygang from 90s go on the Unknown Journey. We going to blow Mako Reactors left and right, watch Cloud give CPR to 13 yo girl, Tifa having her intimate moment with the dolphin who helps you get to Junon upper part, Red XIII dressed as a shinra grunt and walking with hindlegs. The remake added Tifa getting raped by bugs, Tifa throwing herself on the ring for gym chads to mating press her if she loses the pull up minigame

>>738062056
>first complaint is about the story being 'depressing'
>recommends FF6 and FFX instead

>>738062085
>Unknown Journey
Rebirth was 99% the exact same lol
>watch Cloud give CPR to a 13 year old girl
SE pussied out of the CPR scene with both Priscilla AND Yuffie lol
>Tifa having her intimate moment with a dolphin
...?
>Remake added Tifa raped by bugs
...are you indian?
>gym chads to mating press her
Oh ok, you're indian.

I'm glad you enjoyed projecting your cuck and beastiality fantasies onto Remake but Rebirth was a giant middle finger to anyone who thought they were getting a wild ride, so it appears you lost hard.

>>738061451
Come to think of it, ff7 certainly is one 9f the defining cyberpunk visuals, despite never being mentioned as origin of the genre.

>>738061939
holy shit you're right
that's bleak

FF9 is better

>>738062326
only furries and retards believe this. which one are you?

>>738061019
The projection is off the charts here. What an impressively stupid asshole you are.

>>738062326
Nope. FF9 is slog. The transistion to battle takes almost 20 seconds, characters take several seconds to go from idle to action animation, the game lacks character customization, there's no player agency.

FF9 is nice and comfortable experience but it's not as good as the better FFs (5, 7, 8 and 10)

>>738062367
It looks better and everyone is unique. Every FF game after FF9, everyone has the potential to do the same shit.

>>738062326
I would put them very close in quality but for very different reasons.

>>738061337
Yeah this. It's why it genuinely annoys me that you now have contrarian retards like >>738060742 who are clearly just fucking zoomers who don't even understand what made it good. If someone who had never played FF7 today played every FF game they're most likely say 7 is the best because it is still the best Final Fantasy.

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>>738062085
>I'm still buying remake
we know you liked to be cucked by your own member berries

>>738062415
Thing about 9 is its world is so damn empty, there is almost nothing to do when you get the airship. X is called a hallway but had far more things going on in its world.

>>738062432
>It looks better

I can give you the graphics being better in technical sense. But 7 and 8 mogs 9 with art direction and atmosphere. Also the reason 9 is so sloooooow is because they kept adding polygons and the hardware just couldnt make the game roll as smooth and fast as 7 and 8.

>>738062543
I feel like I'd rather live in FF8 and FF9's world compared to FF7's world.

>>738062537
Wut, there's plenty to do, many of the locations update with world events, there's the chocobo minigame, like what did you want them to do?

>>738062326
FF9 contrarians the only retards somehow more insufferable than FF8 contrarians.

>>738062326
FF9 is genuinely one of my least favourite games in the entire series because it is by far the most obnoxiously designed game in the series in that old 90s 2000s JRPG way of "we designed this game like shit so we can sell you a guide telling you how to do everything". 7 and 8 were also somewhat bad at this as was 10 but 9 is by far the worst.

>>738062634
This is odd because usually /v/ fucking hates FF8, like hating obvious shit like the Junction system and the orphanage twist and loves FF9 which is rarely talked about on /v/. /v/ was even getting hyped for the supposed FF9 remake, how japan loves FF9, skipping over FF8 for a remake.

>>738062602
Nta but plenty of towns and locations get closed after you visit Terra. The only end game content is Chocobo Hot and Cold, treasure finding and Ozma.

FF7 had battle square, chocobo breeding, materia caves, Sunken Plane Gelnika and source farming from there, Emerald Weapon, Ruby Weapon

FF8 had Deep Sea Lab for Bahamut, Deep Sea Lab basement floors for Ultima Weapon and Eden, Cactuar island, Odin's ruins, Tonberry GF, Shumi village, new monsters from Lunar Drop, Islands closest to Hell and Heaven, cards, if you completed Card Club quest in Balamb Garden you could play cards at Ragnarok in Disc 4 against the CC memebers and win lost and missed rare cards, Omega Weapon in Ultimecia's castle

FF9 was barren when it came to extra content

VII is a 10/10
VIII is an 11/10 despite being more flawed
IX is an 8/10 which seems disappointing in comparison, but is still better than the vast majority of jrpgs.

>>738061939
Grim. Very grim.

>>738062753
VII also has ultima weapon and the ancient forest, return to midgar, and all the associated sidequests for getting level 4 limit breaks. VIII has the chocobo forests and the weird popo UFO sidequest as well. But yes I agree a huge reason why IX is disappointing is the lack of side content. Chocobo hot and cold is fun, probably my favorite part of the whole game, but after that's done there isnt shit to do.

>>738062740
I see people saying VIII is there favourite game on /v/ way more than I do IX. In fact I see more people on /v/ that recognize that IX is one of the weaker entries in the series and just looking at the games from I-X is one of the worst entries if not the worst.

>>738060397
It was (and still is to an extent) a unique setting, with likable characters, decent combat, and good pacing. It also had that "weirdness" factor that made PS1-era Squaresoft so interesting.

>>738062940
I keep seeing people hate FF8 just from it's flawed system of casting magic=makes you weaker.

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>>738061801
>>738061939
6 years ago someone played remake and didn't like it so they went online and said it was shit.
And someone who disagreed took a screenshot of it and reposted it for 6 years (so far).

Who is the bigger loser? Who is more upset?

>>738063012
ff8 does have flaws with its system, anyone who can't accept that is kidding themselves. however anyone who thinks the whole game is worthless because of that is silly
>>738063017
the second one

>>738063012
>I keep seeing people hate FF8 just from it's flawed system of casting magic=makes you weaker.

And that's autism. Even if you used 10 junctioned spells per battle, it wouldn't make a meaningful dent to the junctioned stats and after battle you can easily replenish them with refinery and having the 3 non-party characters to act as spell mules. The only reason people were afraid to use the junctioned spells was because of stat numbers going down but you still hitting 9999 damage, still surviving any attack the enemies throw at you, still outspeeding your enemies, still winning.

Same with FF6 and autists trying to min/max the esper stat ups on level up.

>>738063012
8 is a flawed game for sure but it has positive qualities that make up for it. 9 is all the flaws of 8 without anything particularly great to make up for it.

>>738063134
That's what I was saying. Magic is just ammo you replenish later. And in the worst case scenario you could just spam limit breaks and melt all bosses brainlessly aside from ultima and omega.

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I finished it around 2020 for the first time, prior I had only gotten to the parade many years earlier. For me part of the magic is how you can be spoiled on countless aspects and yet you will still run into story moments that you weren't expecting. I think this is the mark of a good story. Everything else uplifts this and gets you invested. Sometimes media has a reputation for a good reason, I love both OoT and FF7 and I don't give a fuck if that's a basic opinion

I still think the Materia system is the best progression mechanic of any JRPG ever.

>>738060397
it just hits right, the remake never stood a chance. you cant remake a masterpiece

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It's the only game with Aerith in it.

>>738063256
yeah OOT is another special one. Im a millenialfag and somehow never played OOT until last year, I was just never a big zelda guy (I stuck with the 64 original). and it was fucking amazing start to finish, far and away the best zelda game Ive played by a huge margin.

>>738063017
The second guy, as if that isn't obvious.
>>738064220
When people say you only like old games because of nostalgia it just means they tried to play it and got filtered. "clunky / old graphics / Idontknowwheretogo" etc. Usually zoomer retards. They got filtered and decide the game is objectively bad and you'd have to have played it when you were 12 to be "tricked" into liking it.

>>738060885
It's not just the time janny nonsense. The game's a terrible remake. Midgar has nothing of its original atmosphere left, it's all straight tunnels, pointless fillter. I could go on forever. The combat isn't even fun

>>738062137
VII easily has the most fucked up story of the lot of them. It ends with a huge chunk of humanity straight up dying and never promises any kind of happy ending for anyone besides the furry, who actually gets his own family in the end somehow.

>>738066131
I was hyped all the way through the first mission bombing mission.

then when sephiroth shows up afterwards out of nowhere, I became extremely concerned

then when I was going around sector 7 collecting fucking water bills, I knew my worst fears had been realized.

>>738063315
I basically agree and was horribly disappointed when I realized it wasn't anything like a standard, and that most of the genre is boring as fuck and just gives characters abilities and you grind and level up. Like, finding abilities in the world should just be the normal way things work.

>>738066341
I do think Rebirth is slightly better than Remake simply cause it doesn't suffer from the abysmal pacing issues that Remake had and it somehow has less Sephiroth than Remake had.

>>738066250
>the furry, who actually gets his own family in the end somehow.

RedXIII's species were never confirmed extinct in the story, only presumed by Hojo/Shinra.

>>738066375
FFVIII junction system isnt that different. Just instead of finding new abilities in a treasure chest, you have to find a new GF who has them, which is really cool too. I love how VIII makes the summons a central part of the gameplay which makes finding them a lot more rewarding than just being a nuke with a cool animation, which they still have as well.

>>738063315
The main problem with the system is that it makes characters too interchangeable unless you're really min maxing for differences in equipment and limit breaks. I guess this could be said for most FF games after 5 but I think 8 is the only one that tops 7 when it comes to this aspect.

>>738066684
That sort of stuff has never bothered me cause my autism always makes me put characters in roles that feel fitting for their character. Like I'll always make Aerith a pure healer and Cloud a damage machine even if I could technically make them other things. I tend to pick roles and just stick with them the entire game even when it actively punishes me for it.

>>738066784
No, you need to give Aerith offensive materia too.

>>738066440
I don't know if this is a controversial take but Rebirth is a game that actually benefits from the padding versus Remake. The reason Remake is so fucking miserable to play is because it's taking a 4 hour portion of game and stretching it to 40. Midgar is a very curated and evenly paced part of FF7 and so stretching it out can only create massive amounts of dead air. Even if the Time Jannies weren't there, Remake still had a very shitty hill to climb considering SE's goals since it still has to hit the same beats of FF7 but across a longer period of time.

Rebirth doesn't have the same problem. Most of its beats happen in between sections of Overworld which is just walking from A to B. I'm not a fan of the Ubisoft towers but Kalm to Nibelheim is basically the character development phase which party members not named Cloud get their moments to shine. So Rebirth just giving the party more shit to do to fill in the space was actually a good move. They go too far in places. Costa Del Sol was way too fucking much. And I will never not be mad at Aerith's death. But there's a lot of enjoyable little vignettes that I still appreciate. Like Cloud dropping his spaghetti in Junon because he's never actually been in charge of a military unit nor does he know how to lead a D&C team. Or Barret having a freak out at the idea of Marlene growing up and leaving him in such a dangerous world. Or Aerith admitting jealousy at Cloud and Tifa sharing a history when her own childhood was stolen from her. It's good. I might love Rebirth if the Time Jannies and Dream Worlds didn't exist

>>738061523
underrated comment. The game throws a ton of existential shit at you. Corporations draining the planet. Memories being completely unreliable, and a protagonist with a fragmented, shattered sense of self. Deaths that aren't heroic or fair. A conclusion where most of the planet gets destroyed and no one rides off into the sunset. Shit that goes over your head as a kid but you still experience, and appreciate more when you go back to it as an adult. Before this game most of us knew videogames as little more than bing bing wahoo and HADOUKEN.

>>738066684
I think that's an issue with basically any JRPG. There's always a balance to be made between flexibility and customization of your party and your party members having unique defined roles. I personally tend to favor customization over rigid defined roles since I find it more fun but I definitely agree there needs to be something that sets characters apart.

>>738061939
Jesus christ

>>738066684
This aspect of RPGs is overrated, and, in a lot of cases, actively detrimental to enjoyment. What if the characters I like aren't "meta"? What if they're detrimental at certain times against certain enemies? I want to use the characters I like, not what works the best at any given moment.

>>738067229
FF7 is my most beloved game ever. Seriously ever. But it wasn't balanced very well. And it's not like it's exclusively guilty of it. I think status ailments being useless is a common complaint across the whole series. But it's especially frustrating in 7 because there's a bunch of cool shit you COULD be doing with it. Added effect adds status ailments to basic attacks. You could theoretically have a character attack and debilitate enemies at once. But why would you do that? Added effect also applies to armor, and if used on armor, rather than attacking with status, you can make yourself immune to status. Suddenly you've increased your defensive profile against troublesome enemies. Or you could just equip a Ribbon. Why doesn't FF7 want to create cool scenarios where you use the creativity of the materia system? Why can nearly every situation be solved by "big number go up?"

>>738060504
You're not wrong japs will never make good game again because before they did what they wanted and had imagination but new director is slave to his surroundings and other people morals. They had limits but now they're forced to make limited themes that are politically correct so fanservice and character interaction have to be approved
https://archive.ph/8mXoe
>for players discovering FFVII today, we needed to update the presentation and design to align with modern sensibilities;
>For this reason, we adopted modern approaches to visual expression

>>738067420
Whenever you have characters be set into defined roles you'll always have a bunch that are just annoying gimmick characters who feel like they're just made weird and different for the sake of being difference but that usually just makes them feel clunky and not fun to use. I think something like FFX's sphere grid works well for this. The normal version anyway. Everyone uses the same grid and can be specced into doing anything but they start in different spots so you need to work towards it. Or just something as simple as games with job systems having every job available to everyone but different characters have different stat scaling so they tend to be better doing certain things but you can make them something else if you want.

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>>738060397
I disagree with the idea that nostalgia's inherently a factor. I didn't play FFVII until 2017 when I was 24, and while it didn't quite impact me the same way it would have when I was younger, I still absolutely loved it and consider it one of the games that's basically as close to a 10/10 as you can possibly get. Any complaint I'd have is extreme nitpicking.

>>738067747
FF7 has this really weird issue of not explaining shit or giving you the good shit way too late in the game. Like I love using the Powersoul/ Master Fist on Tifa. Because if she becomes afflicted with a status ailment, her physical damage doubles. If she's at low health, her physical damage doubles. And the effect is stackable. This means Tifa is a true glass cannon. She shits out an utterly insane amount of damage from very early on but she can't take a hit if you play to the strengths of these weapons. The game doesn't explain this at all. When you pick up the Powersoul in the Mt. Nibel, you'll only see a bunch of red stats and immediately decide to dumpster it.

>>738067156
>>738066445
>>738065960
>>738065270
>>738064819
>>738061302
>>738060397
BUY A FUCKING AD.

>>738068050
FF7-10 were in the dark ages of JRPGs where they were all made intentionally unintuitive so they could sell guides separately. 9 was the worst for it

>>738067474
>Why can nearly every situation be solved by "big number go up?"
Because FFs are glorified anime visual novels with fireworks and shine and the devs want the player see the story to finish no matter how dumb they are. And this comes from someone whose favorite game is FF7.

Didn't play it as a kid and I agree completely. It's pure unfiltered soul. You can tell they just kept adding shit because they legitimately thought it was cool or fun. It wasn't trying to be anything other than what the devs genuinely thought would make for a fun game. In other words, it had soul.

>>738060397
>cool setting
>interesting story
>good art (backgrounds)
>interesting cool characters (for the most part)
>great music
>good gameplay (nothing special but comfy)
anything else?

>>738068050
The item description for Powersoul says "Powers up when near death" so this doesn't really seem like an issue with the game.

>>738060458
>Why is ff7 remake criticized so much
they turned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lelmSW0_Fpc
into
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9yYGQp2hC4

NANA-NA-NA NA-NA----------------dwaokpdwadokpadkop[wkop[aw

>>738068749
Same, the game's just good, there's no denying it.

>>738068145
9 was especially bad because even IF you buy the strategy guide, it doesnt contain any secrets and just tells you to go online for all of the useful information. in the year 2000 when most people still didnt have internet connections in their home yet. 9 year old me was absolutely seething.

>>738060458
the moment when remake project decided it was a good idea to stop being a new game with rebirth and instead actually be a recreation of ff7 is when its fate was sealed

>>738070736
I'm deeply curious how pt3 is going to explain the clusterfuck that are both previous endings.

>>738070736
Everyone who wanted a straight remake got fucked over, and then everyone who was excited for a wild ride off the tracks sequel also got fucked over, lmao

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>>738070801
>explain

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>>738070736
>>738070848
I will never stop being angry.

is the switch version of ff7 good

>>738060397
It's called childhood nostalgia
It's the same for me when I play spellforce1.

>>738067420
>giving a shit about meta in singleplayer games
are you retarded?

>>738060397
You're captured by nostalgia and have never played a good RPG

FFVII's story, presentation, mechanics etc are all mediocre.
All it really has going for it is good character design and good soundtrack. That's enough for people who don't actually appreciate games for the whole experience.

>>738073058
Fmv were the best ever and backgrounds are fantastic, too. Other than that it's mediocre, sure.

>>738060397
One of the earliest jrpgs and 3d games that people played. That's at least half the reason.

people love to tell you ff7 was mid and you only liked it because of when it came out and advertising and nostalgia etc but they never tell you what the superior games were

>>738060397
It quickly falls apart after disc 1. It's incredibly rushed and padded by the fact that most of the optional content is locked behind tedious minigames. You can get from Icicle Inn to Hojo in Midgar in less than 3 hours.

>>738061337
The pacing is a really underappreciated aspect of a lot of games when so many of them are super padded these days. Nothing really overstays its welcome in FF7, it is a 40~ hour game, maybe less if you skip side content with a lot of other optional stuff that you can eek 100+ hours out of like the Chocobo minigames.

But the main story pacing is fantastic, a lot of older JRPGs are the same where they are all killer and no filler. Modern games are incredibly padded and open world games in general are the nemesis of pacing. Pacing is legitimately a lost art.

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>>738061019
Yes we were, I still remember this lady going "Oooh" in the commercial.

>>738074853
>You can get from Icicle Inn to Hojo in Midgar in less than 3 hours.
Why is this a problem? Also if you are a normal person playing the game you're not rushing while looking at the clock and tutting because the game is ending faster.

>>738060397
Cloud
Sephiroth
Midgar
Those three things basically encompass FF7 That is the only thing you should care about in FF7.
Disc 2 was a complete fucking waste

>>738060504
Your opinions on what is good or bad isn't fact thankfully. Sorry if that isn't "fair"

It had a lot to say that resonates then and now and did so with both humor and seriousness. Plus the gameplay was refined from several already beloved games, they weren't trying to reinvent the wheel every time yet, it just had a new coat of paint that looks rough today but still feels decently intuitive and easy to jump into today. The pre rendered backgrounds also have a lot of charm and artistry that really appeals to people who are playing it for the first time in 2026. I have friends with no nostalgia for this game whatsoever who are still impressed playing it for the first time in the last decade.
Anyway I only come to 4chan like once a year for middle school nostalgia, you guys are all developmentally disabled.

>>738060458
It would seem padding and busywork doesn't make anything better at all, simple as.

>>738075614
you say this but also spend 17 hours a day being upset about others having a different opinion to yours

>>738075210
Because 80% of the game takes place before the major event and then it's over.

>>738076026
Again, what's the problem? You wanted another 2 hours in Icicle Inn?

>>738060397
The nostalgia excuse is always retarded to me. I'm playing through it now for the first time since I was 8 when I only made it to Tifa's bar at a friend's house.
It's great so far, the pacing, the music, the bits of world building, little character interactions and story, the combat. Really the only complaint I have is sometimes navigating areas can be visually confusing. Like going up that pipe in the junkyard before the playground and climbing up to get to shinra.

>>738076312
>Like going up that pipe in the junkyard before the playground and climbing up to get to shinra.
That really fucked me up. It totally looks like it ought to be accessible from the top layer, as opposed to the bottom.

>>738076026
>acts 1 and 2 are longer than act 3!
yes as in all well told stories. momentum builds towards the finale. the early parts are slower to build things up and introduce the world and the characters. you seriously think it would improve ff7 to have the final 20% of the story take three times longer to get through? why?

>>738060397
I was interested on playing FF7 until I discovered that for some fucking reason they decided that it was good to make the two main girls literal whores. Like, not even kidding, it is impliyed ingame that Aerith is a hooker and that Tifa is a slut who got fucked by the entire town.
Meanwhile the blonde, tall, athletic and handsome soldier somehow is still a giga virgin

>>738060397
>what is it about this game that makes it so fucking magical even after all this time?
Nothing. You're just a faggot.

>>738077998
>it is impliyed ingame that Aerith is a hooker and that Tifa is a slut
It really isn't.

>>738074853
>You can get from Icicle Inn to Hojo in Midgar in less than 3 hours.

No you can't. The life stream memory scene is a long one, even if you skip all the text, it still going to take 20-30 mins. In North Crater 1s visit the dialogue there too with Sephiroth showing the picture and Shinra exec being there is a very long scene. Before that you have the snowfields and Gaea's cliff that take at least an hour.
Tifa and Barret captured and nearly executed and slapfight take an hour.

Fort Condor and Corel Huge Materias take an hour at least. Junon underwater reactor and Rocket take over an hour.

I guess if you ONLY count the actual playing time and don't count the story scenes you can get from Icicle Inn to Hojo in 3 hours but if you read the text boxes and fight the battles, it is going to take at least 7 hours, not counting 100% completion.

>>738076312
Press Select to bring up the door and ladder icons in the field

>>738077998
I thought Aerith being a flower girl was a cultural mistranslation.

>>738078795
Was 7 the only one that had this feature? I couldn't find it when playing 8.

>>738073058
what is a good rpg then, anon
>inb4 crickets

>>738078807
>tends and sells flowers
>has designated flower basket where she stores the flowers she grew and sells
>decides the price of the flower depending on the character, assholish Shinra suits and gangsters pay thousands, Cloud gets one for 1 gil, she gives the flower and money to Johnny

This character is clearly not a flower merchant.

>>738078838
That's right, only 7 had it for the player character, ladders and doors. 8 didn't have it at all. 9 had it for the character and also it had exclamation and question marks for curios

Its Cloud. He's the ultimate imposter syndrome story with a happy ending, which is exactly what every nerd hopes to achieve someday (the actual nerds who used to play videogames, not the faggots who started showing up in 2010 when you didn't get made fun of for it anymore).

He's got a crush on his childhood friend, wants to be more but ends up working a regular 9-5. Buddies up with Chad, idolizes him, and then through happenstance, he gets the chance to emulate Chad. He realizes eventually its not true, but through his own strength, he comes to find out he's his own version of Chad, and gets the girl and saves the day.

Face it, its every nerds dream, that deep down inside, you can be yourself and STILL be Chad.

>>738076312
>Like going up that pipe in the junkyard before the playground and climbing up to get to shinra.
classic rite of passage to get stuck there, like the barrel of doom.
https://youtu.be/tsvAv33jXDk?si=iitWiRb8UK-lube5

>>738079071
People were never bullied for playing video games or watching anime. Socially awkward people were bullied for playing games where dudes with impossibly tall hair wielded equally impossibly tall swords.

>>738078907
Flowers are expensive in midgar because of how rare they've become due to the industrialization and pollution.

>>738069152
what the actual fuck

>>738079071
Cloud loves Aerith

my only shred of hope is the third game establishes the other two were just cloud getting high in the lifestream and you have to unfuck his mind by following the correct narrative.

>>738079410
In my version Tifa and Aerith love each other

>>738079526
No such version exists. They are friends but also very catty with each other

>>738068749
Agreed, I played it for the first time 2 years ago as an adult and it somehow entered that autistic vulnerable part of my brain that only childhood comfort games like OoT rest in. It walks the line between creative storytelling and just enough retardation which makes it so endearing. I'll always be grateful for FF7 because I was going through a tough time at work and while it didn't physically help my situation it took my mind off of things for a while and gave me something to look forward to.

>>738078795
That doesn't help the foreground/background problem at all.

>>738080958
I played the game just fine when I was 12 in 90s

>>738060397
It's just all the right recipe, and the music hard carries a lot of the vibe of the game. It goes to show you as well how limitations can be a good thing, look what everyone involved has gone on to make a mess of when the limitations were removed.

>>738060397

FFVII Remake and Rebirth are like Peter Jackson's Hobbit trilogy. They're just stretching it out as far as they can, adding a bunch of random nonsense on it no one asked for, and desperately trying to milk it dry for every last cent they can.

It's pathetic and disrespectful of the original.

>>738060458
OP's thread is about FF7, please don't derail it with weird spinoff slop.

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>>738060397
I played this way later than it's release date and I still loved it. The nostalgia argument gets completely destroyed by many people and accounts. This goes to show that this game is heavily carried not by graphics, but by it's culmination of everything. Everything in this game is perfectly blended in. The music which sets the tone perfectly, and atmosphere is just top notch, the pacing and urgency, the setting and mysterious storyline and how it is such a slow-burn and introduction of even more mysteries. Not to mention the character plots and dialogue, the fact that Cloud's design and buster sword in general is just plain cool. None of that retarded nerd shit about "but how can he lift that up?". I'm not even a fan of turn based, but I managed to finish the game.

Contrast that with modern games and it's Remake, where everything is thrown in your face and everything is disney-fied. Sephiroth is supposed to be this mysterious entity that slowly gets revealed through the story, his motivations, what he went through,etc, is all thrown in your face. The atmosphere of the world is gone, replaced by this bright, white light, generic Unreal slop that doesn't denote any identity in their scenes.

>>738060885
>I cant think of another release that pulls a bait and switch on its fans like that
Kojima did it with MGS2, Nintendo arguably sort of did with Wind Waker. The difference is that Hideo Kojima and Eiji Aonuma are vastly more competent than Yoshinori Kitase and Tetsuya Nomura.

>>738076312
>Like going up that pipe in the junkyard before the playground and climbing up to get to shinra.
Or the timed jump onto that dangling thing that looks like an ink pin when you're climbing up to Shinra. FUCK that jump.

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>>738060397
Its the soundtrack and character designs.

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>>738062056
I give you the Naruto writing but at the same time everything did back than except maybe FFT?

>>738063256
Based zoom zoom

The original is ugly
I’ll just play the remake

>>738060397
for me the biggest thing has to be the music. the opening to bombing mission sends chills down my spine every time, and Cosmo Canyon might be the most soulful song in FF. one of my favorite tropes in any JRPG is when the typical battle theme is replaced for emphasis with the area, ocean palace in Chrono Trigger as a good example of this, or in the case of FF7, the gutpunch of a character's death with their theme being played over JENOVA's. Her theme when you first hear it is slow and comfortable, but also works quite well as a theme of mourning and being presented with the song in that context was absolutely earth shattering to me at the time, and still is really. the limited animation and lack of expression on the character models on top of no voice acting means a LOT of the emotional tone of the game relies on the music, and Uematsu totally nailed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoWU28L_ZmQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqO5h3-HFW8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqMbmkUpihA

Is the voice acting mod good?

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>>738082347
remake totally botched the visuals which is a shame. I couldn't believe my eyeballs when I was in the sector 7 slums and there was daylight and the sky being visible. It should've be a fully closed in, perpetually dark environment, only being illuminated by unnatural green lights and neon signs. the original's fixed angles and prerendered backgrounds make an effort to never aim upwards for the most part, you are always looking down from above on Cloud and the gang, giving the illusion of there being no sky, it's just all plate.

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>>738083370
Talking to Gemini about the guy is insane. No formal training, only got hired becuase he was the closest thing anyone had to a musician contact. He was just working at a music store. The prelude to the franchise he wrote last minute in 7 minutes. Guess he copies a lot of 50's and 60's black music chords and patterns. Undisputed GOAT. Fascinating guy. 100% agree, except the bombing song. What a weird choice. Ive never heard anyone praise it before.

>>738083683
I loved the remake but absolutely 100% agree. My biggest piss of by far. Went from this funky sci-sci-fi dystopia to a poor neighborhood in the Philippines. Just absolutely zero soul.

>>738060397
music, art

>>738060458
the remake is like square enix shitting in your mouth if you have any taste

>>738083894
Why are slavs like this?

>>738083739
I'm referring to specifically the opening of the song, which is where the title drops happens. The actual mission theme itself is good too though, I like how the song incorporates some backing drums that sounds like a train chugging along.

>>738069152
this shit literally makes me sick, not just the music but everything

>>738069152
funniest change honestly. original market sounded sleazy as hell, new theme makes it sound like an amusement park.

>>738060397
Why hasnt square penis made a online blitzball game? Are they literal imbeciles?

>>738077998
Soldier and a whore is a classic.

>>738060397
It's the music.

>>738086667
This.
Really try to imagine FF going as far as it has with dull music. You can't. The art is cool. The mechanics are neat sometimes. But music is the beating heart of the series

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>>738060397
A magical combination of incredible music, art direction and a lot of bittersweet themes that hits your soul in just the right ways. I used to be a hipster and pretend that other FFs are better, but after replaying them recently, and even though I like some of the ideas behind some of them more, the overall package of FF7 is still the one that hits me the hardest emotionally. I'd be lying if I wasn't calling it my favorite.

>>738060397
It's literally because you played it when you were a kid and it blew your socks off.
I'm sorry but that's the honest truth.

I have the same thing with secret of mana. I bought it when i was 14, i saved up my pocket money for 3 months to get a copy. I know now as an adult it's full of problems but i still replay it every couple of years because it's just so magical to me personally.

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Aren't we all tired of the same talking points? We ALL hate remake and love the original. But, get this, normies don't like the remake anymore. It sold horribly. And the original is so popular that it still gets merch that disregards the remake. So when are we changing our script to hate the original and like the remake? That would be the most contrarian opinion set.

>>738061939
That is brutally sad.
>>738062085
Rebirth already came out and was exactly what you didn't want.
>>738062182
This.

>>738087052
I think the thing is a lot of other FF games are more interesting cause they're more unique but hte reason 7 is less unique is that other JRPGs have copied it due to it being so good so I can't really dock it for that.

IMO the first 6 or so hours are about as perfectly paced as a JRPG can possibly be. That first 6-10 hours is like 3 back to back to back high quality action movies one after another. It starts with this insane tempo of you causing a terrorist attack then you're dumped into a shit hole village to see everyone suffer then you meet some cuties then you fight Mafioso types in suits then you crossdress to break into a pimp's castle then you plan and carry out an attack on a megacorp then HOLY SHIT the leader guy is FUCKING DEAD and a crazy guy possessed by an alien he views as his mother is going to DESTROY THE FUCKING WORLD and a TALKING DOG joins your party and you meet a chain smoking wife beating lunatic wants to GO TO FUCKING OUTER SPACE and then you watch one of the girls FUCKING DIE and you LOSE and the guy GETS AWAY WITH IT and that's after you watch flashbacks of him going FULL RETARD and losing his mind and killing everyone in a small town.

It's fucking CRAZY.

>>738060397
it's in the way music blends with story and visuals. the vibe you get from this is unmatched compared to most other games, a single midi track by uematsu conveys more story than a long book chapter. there are ff games with better visuals and maybe even better OST but none of them have this perfect fusion. one other thing that makes ff7 special and timeless is also its early 3d look which is incredibly charming, soulful, and unique, it often lacks details where you have to fill in the gaps with your imagination, characters and 3d models look like simple lego pieces that are anime-coded and expressive in the coolest way, and all this is mixed with gorgeous prerendered backgrounds. the experience you get is closer to a book compared to modern 3d games with detailed graphics and cinematic presentation where everything is shown to the point of vulgarity you can find in porn.

>>738060504
FF7 is indeed a good game. It was amazing when it first came out and is still fairly charming today.
I would say it's biggest positive is that 7 is when the franchise peaked. None of the ones that came after managed to capture the magic that 1-7 had.

For me, the appeal is Sephiroth. And how the entire game revolves around the Nibelheim incident.
He's hyped up as this hyperchad Nephilim when in reality he's just a petty little bitch who was, admittedly, cursed from birth.
It has a similar appeal to MGS when you learn that Snake was the inferior clone and Likwid was the super clone.

>>738087794
good news, we found a way to retell this section but now it's 100 hours long and when the village burns down you push buttons to crawl, which is something everyone agreed was really missing in the original

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>>738060397
PROTECT YOUR HONOUR, AS A SOLDIER!

> Activating combat mode
> kino starts playing

Zack is peak. Cloud wishes he had his aura.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js5wLRogY3k

>>738060397
I think it works really well as a memory, that's why. It was a lot of people's first 3D game, maybe even their first RPG, and also their first big narrative in a video game.
Now obviously when looking at it as a whole the story is kind of batshit nonsense, as is the case with most games (and Japanese media in general). But when you memory hole the vast majority of the story and only get the good bits, it's pretty damn great.
Which is why it's fucking BONKERS that the remake dropped the ball as hard as they did. The story needed to be trimmed, not expanded.

>>738087918
Yeah Remake had me for exactly 2 hours then the the millisecond those ghost jannies showed up I was out...it's actually an unreal experience. It was instantaneous. Literally instantly lost all momentum and I was checked out. It's actually incredible how fast my interest tanked to 0. I know I'm not alone in that because Remake sold like crazy and Rebirth barely got off the ground. It's just undeniable at this point that a lot of people hit that wall and it just stops. Instead of going straight back to that tempo they make you crawl around a junkyard for hours. Cloud's second job isn't an escalation it's fighting a big pitbull in a scrapyard. He just committed a terrorist attack and now he's fighting literal dogs in the junkyard for pennies. It's stupid.

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Hope this guy wasn't too upset when Rebirth turned out to be 95% a rethread of the original.
Or maybe he liked it regardless? But fanboys liking 7R no matter what was a meme... wasn't it?

>>738088006
I think the story was fine. The pacing of the original is very very fast compared to Remake and that is the problem. Of course a JRPG has holes in its world building if you look hard enough. But FF7 moves very quickly for a JRPG so you barely notice it. In Remake it grinds to a halt for no good reason. You are left with time to wonder what the fuck is going on.

>>738076178
>>738077239
It's a game. FF7 is ironically similar to Xenogears in that it has a fleshed out first half, and an unfinished, rushed second. All that remains are a few cutscenes and grindy side content and minigames.

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>>738088297
you seriously think it would improve ff7 to have the final 20% of the story take three times longer to get through? why?

>>738060397
video games then were games
video games now are products

>>738060397
because it doesn't have any retarded bullshit in the combat and aerith is a smokeshow

>>738060397
I have to say that I really liked.. I don't know.. but.. what hit me everytime are the treasure chests and the sachet icon and 3d model they used. They was raw, but appealing. Even the menu icons and layout is really appealing. Ok all the rest, the story, the soundtracks...
Maybe is because FF7 tries to secretly recall the old titles (FF6 etc.) in some ways...

>>738088386
>mideel
>go talk to a dog and find cloud at the infirmary
>go to corel and stop the train from hitting the village
>go to fort condor and win a single battle
>back to cloud and lifestream
>go to the underwater reactor and pick up the underwater key while you're at it
>go to space
>go to bugenhagen and ancient city
>go to midgar
>go to north crater
>the end
All of this consists of a few short scenes of actual game design. It's incredibly rushed compared to the rest of the game. Number one complaint for 30 years.

>>738088676
They're is also Wutai, which will be big considering Yuffie had her own DLC. They also have the weapons to fight. Part 3 will be like Disc 3 in the sense that it'll be a fucking rush after whatever happens with Cloud and go full schizo. The escape from Junon will be huge as well. Rebirth was "slow" just like that part of the original game for a reason. They did add too much bloat, but they also had to get more shit ready for the finale. A lot of loose ends and stuff.

>>738089034
There* fuck

>>738088676
you keep saying the last 20% is rushed. I heard you. you won't answer the question.
what makes you believe ff7 would be improved by taking all these sections and making them three times longer?
and why do you think 99.999% of the millions of other people who played this game to completion have not raised the same concern?
try answering either question instead of just telling me you think the end is rushed (again)

>>738088676
>>mideel
>>go talk to a dog and find cloud at the infirmary
>>go to corel and stop the train from hitting the village
>>go to fort condor and win a single battle
>>back to cloud and lifestream
>>go to the underwater reactor and pick up the underwater key while you're at it
>>go to space
>>go to bugenhagen and ancient city
>>go to midgar
>>go to north crater
Thanks for reminding me how awesome FF7 is.
Sad to think you wrote out this list of kino while seething, but don't worry, they're making a bloated remake for retards like you.

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>>738077998
It is what it is. The japanese have certain ideas.

>>738061523
So true

>>738087802
OG FF7 also had the stereotypical 90s dystopian aesthetic with pipes spewing smog, old computer tech, and sleazy guys everywhere in wall market which added a lot more charm. It felt like watching one of those old cheesy B movies. The remake has everything futuristic and sleek which gets lost among the thousand other futuristic modern jrpg games of today.

>>738060397
fun minigames, fun challenging rpg gameplay where you actually have to setup a strategy, not just mindlessly press a, tons of secrets and side content, soulful story, aka 10/10 game.

I'm playing it for the first time and just got the highwind. Do Tifa and Aerith actually both want Cloud's dick or are they just being nice because he's a cringe Zack and Sephiroth kinning incel who wanted to be a cool SOLDIER but just became a Shinra bitch and somehow got his memory replaced with Zack (who is Zack I'm not that far yet?).

If it's the latter I will unironically open my window, lean out and scream ff7 is kino.

Wait did they inject Cloud with Zacko and that's what made him a Chad and he forgot his old self because Zack is way cooler? No spoilers.

>>738090923
>no spoilers
So how do you expect me to answer?

>>738060397
It's just that you played it as a kid.
I never had it despite owning a PS1 as a kid. I played it in my life 20s and it's nothing special.
Nostalgia is powerful.

>>738061523
Because is a noir story. There's not a good ending in FF7. Cloud never manage to get Aerith back and "her love sacrifice" save the planet, a planet that decide to not live that kind of hellscape anymore (according to RedXIII extra ending).

The rest that has been attached is just fan lore-forging justified by intuition and fantasy.

>>738090837
Finish the game.

>>738061601
That girl is not hot in that rappresentation and there's no "fuck" in anyway around her, for she is underaged.

>>738062056
>Easy hit attack button to win

Yes. Try that against a Weapon. Let us see how you easy win just spamming attacks against them.

>>738061337
yeah the pacing especially, you always feel like you're moving forward and doing something. especially the opening parts. played it for the first time last year, so no nostalgia either.

>>738091191
I mean Advent Children kind of wraps things up

>>738091191
There are two routes. The noir version where Aerith sacrifices herself and Cloud goes on broken because of her death but still does what is needed to save the planet; and the happy version where Aerith sacrifices herself but you can move on with Tifa.
It satisfies both the people who like serious stories and the ones who need a happy ending where they get the girl.

>>738092331
The end of the game implies you reunite with aerith in the lifestream

>>738092331
The Tifa "happy" route is entirely avoidable. The Aerith version is the default, but the point is she's the one trying to get to Cloud but he's too busy acting like a hard-ass to respond to her feelings. He's supposed to realize he loved her until she dies. The song Hollow literally explains this.

Squaresoft was just PURE SOVL in that era

Not just Final Fantasy

Bangers like Parasite Eve, Xenogears, Brave Fencer, Vagrant Story, etc.

It's mind boggling

>>738094159
Nice company you got there, be a shame if someone were to merger with it and build a conglomerate.

>>738060397
I dont think there were many games that looked like FFVII at the time, both in-game graphics, CGI or battle graphics. Also, the sound design was also pretty memorable, to the point you call it "FFVII sound effects" and know exactly what kind of sound you expect. The music also was very memorable, it doesnt sound like FFVI, it doesnt sound like FFVIII, it sounds like FFVII, due to MIDI quality.
I still prefer the remake since they ironed out the overrall plotting of how things happen and i really, really like the combat.

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>>738060397
>sovl
Why does everyone who uses this term only play lazy movie games? Do you have any idea how much nuance and attention to detail went into programming Mario 64? Someone nearly died from heat stroke animating the water fall in gun frontier. So much of ff7 is padded out and lazily designed, it's the very definition of "soulless".

>>738094159
Square treated Takahashi and Matsuno like shit tho

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>>738094642
I feel like only a non westerner would say this. Not sure that word means what you think it means.

>>738093946
>the bad route is default
This is pretty common. It's not unusual to reward players with a better route for making the right choices.

>>738060397
music, atmosphere, good characters, cool villain, a lot of secret things to find, materia system is fun

>>738060397
Good story good gameplay good characters and it's fun
Simple as

How are FF6 and 8?

>>738082347
Well it's not turn-based.

>>738095526
>bad route
It's the better route. End of game swings you back to it too

>>738060397
its pretty cinematic, has a great presentation and soundtrack

>>738095885
6 is really good, 8 is weird mechanically but has a really strong front half before it kind of falls apart in the latter half. both are worth playing, though 6 is the better game I think.

>>738096016
>being stuck with worst girl is better
Are you brain damaged?

>>738094294
Sakaguchi tried to save it with Spirits within

>>738095885
I like more 8 than 7. At the end is all about what characters and game system you prefer.

>>738095526
No, it's the real route, it was meant to be unhappy. The "happy" route is an illusion for players that need to be coddled.

>>738096713
well some of us believe in true love mr. grumpelstiltskin

They nailed the story too somehow. When a jrpg/anime goes from a story about a local conflict to a story about saving the world it feels cringe. When FF7 does it, it feels sincere

>>738094159
parasite eve is one of their best games

>>738097252
Ok, but I prefer the real story.

>>738060458
turd based sissies are mentally ill.

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Can we love both the original and the remakes?

>>738060397
nostalgia

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>>738102069
Only if your mentally healthy so no.

>>738060458
They promised me a remake of VII and gave me a sequel instead. I don't like it that fact alone.

>>738060397
I personally did not like this game. I've beaten 5,6,7,9, and 10 and 7 by far was my least favorite. The way the dialogue boxes are situated it can be confusing which character is talking, and the music is grating to me. The super low resolution trumpet blaring in the overworld is especially annoying, but the battle win fanfare is goated. The animations where breathtaking in the 90s and the cutscenes were cutting edge, and they still look pretty good. All in all 7.5/10.

I think people who hate remakes dont actually want remake at all.
They will always whine unless it is turn based and is played from static camera perspective with static backgrounds.

>>738102530
There's a preconceived idea that a remake is meant to update the original game.
With that premise, seeing it "updated" to a completely different game genre is distasteful to some people. I don't see it as irrational.

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>>738060397
>what is it about ff7 that makes it so fucking magical even after all this time?
Virtually every aspect of the game allowed you to use your imagination to a satisfying extent. It answered just the right number of questions at the right time to keep you from feeling lost or purposeless, while leaving enough mystery to encourage you to keep uncovering the world. This created an experience unlike anything most modern developers can understand and was arguably the unintentional outcropping of a myriad of restrictions during that period, whether related to hardware, software, scheduling, finances, staffing, etc.

>>738102386
7 is the best your opinion is shit.

>>738083370
aeris theme playing while you fight jenova just hits me like an absolute fucking dump truck. Didnt even care as a kid but now I'm cutting onions everytime.

>>738083683
they specifically mention in the dialogue that there's no sunlight in the slums. Unfucking real how little SE gave a fuck about their source material. I will never buy another one of their games again, even if by some miracle they actually made something that wasnt absolute dogshit I'd pirate it on principle.

>>738083739
>never heard anyone praise bombing mission
you're retarded, it's amazing and sets the tone perfectly.

>>738103290
You know if we keep validating our own desires and perspectives we will never get to be satisfied. We will never grow as a person.
Face it, turn based is restrictive. It cannot grow beyond a certain extent. Some people just dont deserve a remake, although I can see that it is flawed too.

should I play it again? is the steam version any good...

The ubisoft checklist stuff really hurt my soul bros

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>>738109906
I replayed it a year or two ago with the 2013 version and it was fine. Probably my favourite playthrough was with updated character models mod. If you want to 100% the game again I'd do a story run of the main game first then get New Threat mod, if you've already played the OG to death it adds a whole bunch of new superbosses and neat story changes, you can even save Aeris if so inclined.

>>738090923
cloud makomaxxed and became a zackcel, simple as.

>>738091274
>not hot
>underaged
pick one

>>738092027
>advent children
not canon

>>738094486
the funny thing is, uematsu didnt need to use MIDI for everything in VII, he did so because he thought it would cause too much loading times using high quality audio. then he heard the suikoden OST and said "you bitch" and then went all out for ffviii.

it's interesting to think what vii couldve sounded like with viii-like production. i personally think viii is his magnum opus, but I wouldnt want to change anything about the vii ost.

>>738095885
8 is the closest game in the series to 7 and in some ways actually surpasses it. It has flaws though and is not a well rounded masterclass like 7 is, mostly due to having big time constraints on development that 7 didnt have. Personally I think the flaws are pretty minimal and the strengths easily outweigh them. I go back and forth on whether 7 or 8 is my favorite game in the franchise.

6 is a much more stereotypical rpg with the common fantasy setting and a big evil empire to fight but its about as good a game as you can possibly get with that setting. 6/7/8 is truly the peak of FF

>>738102386
>The way the dialogue boxes are situated it can be confusing which character is talking
this was never an issue for me even when I was literally a first grader.

>>738109906
play new threat 1.5, from a gameplay perspective its a whole new thing and way better than vanilla.

>>738110440
>new threat mod
my nigga
>lookin' good models
anon...

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>>738060458
the remake is shit and if you like it you most likely never played FF1-6 so your opinion doesnt fucking matter

>>738114028
I despise the Remake and I played I-VI, but I don't see the causation?

>>738095885
6 is like proto 7 being less advanced and 8 is like and advanced experimental version of 7 that takes that experimental nature too far to it's own detriment. Very interesting game but not exactly one that I'd say is great like 6 and 7 are which I'd say are 2 of the best games in the series along with 5

>>738061939
grim
>>738102530
nah the new combat is one of the few things I like about remake, it's just dogshit that wastes your time with kingdom hearts garbage and long stretches of boring gameplay

>>738060397
Septerra Core hit the same vibes for me.

Nobuo Uematsu threw out his back by singlehandedly carrying FF7 with his soundtrack.

>>738114171
Typical /v/ autism of not being able to handle differing tastes. There's a lot of bad shit in Remake no doubt, but I'm still happy to have played it. Mostly just to see the main characters fleshed out more, some of the new renditions of the soundtrack are really good too (and the new tracks are pretty bad but whatever, get some lose some). And I think the frequency of threads like these show that more people are going back to the original now than before, so it's not like the original is being replaced. Remake is just extra and it's bringing 7 back into the spotlight.

>>738115748
Yeah remake sucks but at least more people are playing the good game "final fantasy vii" because of it.

>>738115748
>Mostly just to see the main characters
And there it is

>>738116346
Retard

Morning Jimbo, I see you had busy night. I take your girlfriend didn't mind you staying up whole night on your computer

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>>738116471
Who?

>>738116602
"Jimbo" is the name Ba7ry throws around when he's upset, just like how Barry would scream about "Nathan" when he gets angry.

>>738116670
Ah, gotcha. I'll keep that in mind.

>>738115748
>Typical /v/ autism of not being able to handle differing tastes.
But you're the one who can't accept people disliking remake.
...Oh...
...OH!

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>>738060458
The Remake Tifa is nothing like her original character and to top it all off they put a burkha on her instead of using her iconic and simplistically pleasing original look. That's all you need to know about how much SE values FF fans and why the remake is total dogshit.

>>738060397
I have the same feeling with Chrono Trigger. But i think Chrono Trigger is a very good game.

>>738116856
What makes you think that?

>>738116939
Her original character was a full-on prostitute, I would assume change is a good thing.