>ruins Oolacile>ruins New London>"A true age of dark has never been tried before"
>new London
>Begin Dark Age>Bumble around in the dark for god knows how long>New chosen one eventually wakes up beats the fuck out of you and relights the fire>Cycle starts all over againWOOOOOOOW DOOD
>>738062051Sure sure, listen to a FUCKING SERPENT
>>738062051>New LondonSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>738062113Oil! You got a loicense for dat Dark Hand mate?
>>738062051Kaathe > Frampt
>>738062116I never understood why the age of dark is always tied to a dark lord. The fire is out, it's fucking dark everywhere. Wtf are you ruling over?
>>738062315You're the most powerful being, thus a lord.
>>738062051>people still don't realize that there are no 'Ages' or 'Cycles'
>>738062315You're ruling over the darkduh
cutscenes show it wasn't dark before the fire appeared, why would it be dark after the fire is gone?
>>738062420>There are no le cycles dude!>Dark Souls lore revolves around chosen ones rising up periodically to either re-kindle the fire or let it fade out
>>738062480Nigga I can't see shit
>>738062578skill issue
>"age of dark">game explictly says in the intro that dark doesnt exist on a conceptual level without the first flame creating disparity
>>738062051Darktrannies are like commies, yes. >just destory everything good about the world bro, kill the Gods, let the teeming masses of human refuse rule over a pile of garbage
>>738062717yes, that's the pointboth frampt and kaathe are tricking the undead to try to bring the age of gray back but they disagree in their method
>>738062051So coolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrywuSxARcY
>>738062843I can see Frampt getting undead to repeatedly rekindle the first flame, weakening it until it's just gray ash. What's Kaathe's plan? >snuff out the first flame>???
>>738062051I miss games like the OG Dark souls and Demons soulsFind mysterious shit with no explanation like those ugly serpent fucks who speak in riddles inside the fucking void, or a magestic choir breaks the deafening silence
>>738063274Based and same. I'm not a big Soulsfag but Demon's and DS1 are mega based and I do not give a shit about the From games after these two. Shadow Tower Abyss was really cool and I recommend that.
>>738063274they definitely ruined it by overexplaining it without actually explaining anything and stripping the mystery away>>738062808humans only hollow because of the darksign. humans dont burn brightly, but they dont die. gwyn feared the power of humble people doing humble things and snuffed them out. it is thematicdoesnt mean the age of dark isnt frightening. we havent seen it yet. thats part of why ds1 is so good. its not entirely clear
>And so, she lived in fear. Of the dark, of the things that gnawed at her flesh.>And yet! The Abyss hath yet to produce any such creature!Did he forget Manus or what
>>738062315>Wtf are you ruling over?Good question. It's all undeads in Lordran, there is no hierarchy or society to rule over. And what little there was it was mostly killed by you.
>>738062051Kaathe is clearly disingenuous and just wants everyone to be wiped out, but the Age of Dark has been genuinely getting sabotaged. If the cinematic intro is any indication, it originally wasn't even a dark soul, it became that way as a reflection of the torment and oppression inflicted upon the Furtive Pygmy and humanity, or the Furtive Pygmy meddled with the soul and messed it up. If the Dark Soul ever properly heals and returns to its natural, non-ruinous state, it might just be another bright, fiery soul.
>>738063274>people shit on DS2's sky volcano when this exists
>>738063428>ManusBro, the locust HIMSELF is the very creature he denies the existence of.
>>738063927>DS2fag still upset from getting repeatedly BTFO from yesterday's thread
>>738063274same mancant move on from this
The HERO.The SAVIOR.>b-but he doomed us all!He did what was best for his people. The age of fire must continue, more sacrifices are needed.
>>738062315Well the Chosen Undead basically becomes the strongest character in the world once he defeats Gwyn. Prior to your fight with him he also defeats a whole legion of other bosses including giants, demons and dragons. So what are you not understanding here?
>>738064740>>738062717Age of Fire = capitalismAge of Dark = the society that comes after capitalism once class disparity is eliminated but the destruction of capitalism also means the destruction of the world as we know to the point it's difficult to conceptualize how it would look like
>>738064740His people wouldn't even necessarily suffer in the Age of Dark, he was just too caught up in dickwaving and trying to associate with the First Flame.
>>738065057I'm asking what the fuck there's even left to do in the dark? You can't see shit, everyone's just mindlessly wandering about. What even happens in the age of the dark? Sure you're a big guy but no one can see that.
>>738065296you have sex with your fellow ugly immortal undead friends
>>738065296The Dark Soul glows and has heat of its own, so that will eventually be resolved. Just resume a good life.
>>738065296We have a big feast, the dark age is a good time for everyone involved.
>>738062315>he thinks the age of dark is pitch black.ROFL you probably think the sun goes out when you turn off the bathroom light.
>>738063203>everyone turns into beef jerky
>>738065730The end of fire in DS3 literally showed us that the world goes completely pitch black.
>>738063203without the first flame, there's no light, and without light there can be no dark
>>738065296>I'm asking what the fuck there's even left to do in the dark?You seem to think the world goes fully dark and nothing can be seen anymore. Is that what you saw when you fought the Four Kings? As in he was John Cena and you couldn't see him?
>>7380659471. DS3 was not even thought up of during the creation and release of DS12. Sure what you say is true but eventually new light/fire burns and then new worlds and things form again. Dark Souls lore with the fire and dark ages basically are stories of life and death. Fire synonymous with the big bang and the age of dark being some time before and/or after the fire. Or maybe see it like some sort of purgatory period before a new cycle or age of fire begins. I also liken the age of dark to be Dark Souls version of "hell" but its never permanent. Nor is the age of fire.
>>738063428always feel like these bastards are going to eat you and the fire keeper after everything went dark
What happens in the Age of Dark, is it cessation or is it literally just dark?
>be's the chaddest protagonist in you are path rejecting the false dichotomy of light and dark
>>738067534Insects eat everyone.
>>738062524>>>Dark Souls lore revolves around chosen ones rising up periodically to either re-kindle the fire or let it fade outhow can there be a 'cycle' when the fire has not faded once in history?
>>738062524>around chosen ones rising up periodicallyThis isn't the cycle and also it literally happened 'once', the plot of DaS3 is sacrificing EVERYONE (people who are not 'chosen') because the world is ending and no one knows what to do
>>738062051>>ruins Oolacile>>ruins New London>>"A true age of dark has never been tried before"I mean you can still SEE them...
>>738063274I agree. Souls is at it's best when it's 'weird', but 'epic' sells more.
>>738067927But the Dark Souls 3 Protagonist is the one who actually had a third option that amounted to a changing of the cycles.
>>738069484>he fell for the kaathe propaganda
The Age of Fire is sensory interpretation.>you see what is in front of you>reality is what you see>what you see determines what you thinkThe Age of the Dark is intuitive, abstract contemplation, with no explicit rules but rather freedom.Most people, given that freedom, think of spooky monsters.The "polluted" monsters are actually a result of the age of fire destroying the ecosystem, ergo why there are no Sneks in DaS3. They all fucking died because there's no 'dark places' for them to live in anymore. Its why the original Dark Lord Alpha version of DaS3 featured Sneks, but the Link the Fire version of DaS3 didn't.The notion of the Age of Dark is 'achieved' by Ranni the Witch.
>>738069484that's not the killing the firekeeper ending
>>738069571Don't you dare talk to the Lord of Hollows like that
>>738069601the lord of all three hollows lmaoooooo
>>738064740I'm still a little salty over how they made him just an out and out bad guy in 3 by saying the undead curse is straight up an invention by Gwyn. I much preferred the more ambiguous DaS1 approach where the act of trying to create something great and keep it perpetuating is what does him in ultimately
>>738067927I'm never going to get over how they fucked up this (and all the other) helmets in DS3 by filling in the visors for whatever fucking reason. It's such a bizarre design choice.
>>738065730You get a taste of the age of dark in the untended graves due to time travel fuckery. It's pretty much just pitch black.
Dark souls 3 also had the profaned flame, which was the dark soul itself producing light and heat. And that’s why it was a "profaned" flame, because it shattered the lie that there would be no heat or light again without the gods. But instead of studying or embracing that flame, the entire world instantly attacked it as evil because they brainwashed slaves of the gods and must simp for the age of fire.
>>738062051>ruins Oolacile>ruins New Londo>Wonder how people can fall for it>Speak to him>He makes an incredible amount of sense and seems like the right choice
>>738069867also there's a neck gap in the ds3, FILTHY FILTHY FILTHY
>>738070113>"Trust me bro">anon falls for itLol, lmao
>>738063927>you can literally see from the fucking firelink shrine that the entire undead parish is a multi layer city>izalith is literally right below firelink>when you get to the catacombs and izalith you can see that the world sinks even lower, as you can see the giant trees sprouting from the voidvs>coastal city, with nothing above>suddenly you take an elevator into a city surrounded by a volcano
>>738067927Crazy how we never got any follow up on this, I'm curious about what sort of things the DS2 MC did after rejecting the cycle.
I don't understand dark souls 3. If you can revive those that failed to rekindle the ember... doesn't that mean it's basically 100% going to happen?
>>738070768Yes but the rekindled first flame gets weaker every time. We get revived in a time when that process is basically on its last legs.
>>738069484>follow hollow dark lord path in ds3>Kill freya >talk to YuriaHer dialogue made me cum, I was not expecting her to say what she did.
>>738070768we got revived as a last ditch effort because all the real lords decided to fuck off and do their own thing>>738070765went on a vacation with shannalotte, aldia and shaliquor
>>738071049it's friede
Where is it stated that the first flame eventually gets weaker? Don't give me bullshit like "The older Dark Souls maps are ashen detritus now, so sad."
*PPPWWWWEEHHHHH*ATTENTION, The Omen ruler of Leyndell built hidden tunnels under the city.
>>738070765Miyazaki didn't touch 3 so he doesn't want to think about it or include it in any of his drafting. The best you get are some very oblique references to Drang(leic) and the fucking poison windmill in the DLC.
>>738071196Compare what happens when you link the flame in 1 (a massive all consuming explosion) versus what happens when you link the flame in three (a piddly little bonfire you just sit down at)There are definitely diminishing returns when it comes to throwing men to die at the big burner.
>>738071196when you link the first flame in ds1 your create a massive fire that encompasses the entire klin of the first flame, meanwhile in ds3 it's a meager bonfire that barely embers you
>>738062315>Wtf are you ruling over?Presumably the Age of Dark would have its own kingdoms and culture, just like the Age of Fire. Either that or its a jungle and the Dark Lord is the biggest baddest Lion.
>>738071548I think the age of dark is really just a great feast. With the biggest, baddest being eating everyone else.
>>738071378>>738071469It might sound like massive cope. But I always saw that as the protagonist burning himself, rather than the entire world as well. Making the First Flame ending in Dark Souls 3 more about self sacrifice, rather than plain sacrifice.
Any r34? Asking for a Frampt.
>>738072523You sicken me There's plenty of Straid r34, it's the best you're going to get
>>738071378>>738071469Not that I'm to disparage that point, but, in fairness, linking the fire in DS3 doesn't do shit because it was never going to do shit. You're an Ashen One, you're specifically told that such are unfit to be even kindling. That plan was doomed from the start.
>>738072859>pick Link the First Flame ending>actually snuff out the First FlameFuck, now I have to go back and play DS3 again.
>>738071221yeah sure bud. you've been eating too many prawns. you really think leyndell would allow an omen to be king?
>>738062315It isn't really.It is only certainly that case in the Lord of Hollows ending in DS3 (which is a bad ending). Just leaving the fire to fade doesn't mean that you're claiming rule over the world as its new God King like Gwyn.
>>738062524The first cycle never canonically ended until DS3, and even then it might not have because the DLC narrative is about escaping it via the Painted World. Every game doesn't take place in a new cycle or anything like that, at least not taken wholistically. They all take place within one single cycle that isn't allowed to end naturally.
>>738073580There are Omens in every neighbourhood nowadays. The Lands Between have fallen.
>>738062113In a roundabout way more correct than you think.
>>738064740His people aren't us. His people are the Gods, but the Gods are giant bitches that can't actually do anything without hiring humans to do it for them.
>>738069484>dude just become gywn and repeat the cycles of evilThis is the worst ending. Even the Ash Seeketh Embers ending is better.
>>738062051>We must let in more immigrants from the horrible, fetid abyss, chosen undead.
>>738062051>Fuck you evil demiurge I will listen to the good demiurgeboth endings are fake.
>>738074082Actually it's the best ending
>>738074103There is some level of basedness in not learning anything from the game's narrative like a total caveman despite how elaborate the whole quest is to do, but even still it is impossible to not see the Lord of Hollows ending as the dumbest thing in the world.
>>738073708DS1 dark ending has the primordial serpents literally bowing to you and hailing you as the dark lord.
>>738074206Yeah, but they aren't able to compel you to do anything and the player's intentions aren't clear, either. You aren't seizing Lordship in any explicit way. Only potentially doing so among many other possible choices.
DS2 walk away from the throne > DS3 end of fire > DS1 rekindle the fire > rest
>>738072523Its weird how DaS has a very weak Rule 34 presence. Gwynevere practically jumpstarted the 2010's sex appeal and killed trillions from her tits alone, but she has like less than 300 pics. Meanwhile within 3 months a bunch of talking horses got over 1000 images.
>>738074304Sure but my question is wtf a dark lord even is when there's nothing left to rule over.
>>738071548So the fire does nothing? It's just like Anthology of the Killer, huh. Just a colour shift. It's dark; carry on as usual.
the fleeting mortality Gwyn gave humanity through the dark sign was a gift, not a curse.
>>738069219it's a firelinking cycle. The fire is always constantly fading, you can just postpone the inevitable
>>738062717>without the first flame creating disparityBut the First Flame is still creating Disparity in the Age of Dark, dumbass. Did you really neglect the Furtive Pygmy, so easily forgotten? Did you forget the name of the series?It's called the Age of Dark because it's defined by the Dark Soul. The world would still be lit by the black flames of the Dark Soul, eternally tended to by the humans and other creature that bear fragments of Humanity. It's is the only part of the First Flame that doesn't need sacrifice to fan it further, and can continue to grow alongside its bearer. That's the whole point of why Gwyn created the Darksign, and since he used the power of the rest of the First Flame to bind the Dark Soul, the immortality and endless strength of the Dark Soul had started to already return as the Flame began to fade.An actual age of Dark would likely be a world covered in snowy dusk, like the many Painted Worlds that can be created through its power.
>>738074583Is mortality even a thing in the series? I thought everyone started out as a hollow. They became "someone" after gaining a piece of the lord souls and become undead once they "die" and lose their soul but retain some purpose. Once that purpose is lost they revert to their original hollow form.
>>738072859>You're an Ashen One, you're specifically told that such are unfit to be even kindlingthat was in refernce of you failing to link the fire and getting killed in the past (reason why you start the game from a coffin). By the end of the game you have collected the cinders and can move to the point in time when the klin is accessible (?) and link the fire. >>738074491it's been a while since i watched that youtube video but being a dark lord likely means you rule over all of time at once. It sounds stupid maybe but time in DS exists from the flame onwards and some Oolacile miracles suggests that time and light are linked. As the flame weakens time falls upon itself (and by the time fo DS3 this also affects space) and you snuffing it out completely likely means time compresses "to a point", with you being the lord of a non-darksigned humanity.That said being a dark lord has been sorta retconned by DS3, and now the setting is somewhat different. If I have time and this thread is not 404 I will reply better later.
>>738074491The world doesn't end when the Fire fades, it just transitions into a different one. Usually characterized as quieter, colder, and less active.
>>738074932Got a link to the video? I understand they've alluded to time itself being linked to the birth of the first flame but I rarely see that discussed.
>>738075050https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHrIk2z3Xf4to clarify what the fuck this videa is even about, it's the lorethorugh of the most famous Italian souls-tuber for DS3 which is still in production. I hope there are automatic english cc. The guy is peculiar to say the least but at least he puts real effort in the lore stuff in my opinion.
>>738075462my bad, it's the next onehttps://youtu.be/U9KqIqfqVKM?si=B583lczEX4p3p6hk
>>738062480I become the King of niggers?
>>738075579Uh I don't speak ravioli
>>738074802The players are the Dark Souls, because they were hollowed out for a false quest. People miss this fact about hollowing: >Hollowing = One lost "meaning" (Gwyns false quest/promise/religion, and a misunderstanding of what a 'Soul' is IRL and in setting) = Dark Sign (Gwyns curse to secretly Sap undead to feed the fire) cant feed the fire with them anymore>Enduring (linking the fire, finding meaning so the Dark Sign can keep sapping you) = feeding the fire moreWhether you hollow on the way or link the fire doesn't matter, because BOTH OF THOSE RESULTS ARE JUST DIFFERENT FORMS OF FEEDING THE FIRST FLAME (aka Gwyns power grab in trying to converge the universe to his power)The sad PlinPlinPlon in the end is mostly sad for the player, who loses their individuality in the face of Gwyns 'plot', not because Gwyn (Lord of Cinder later turned Soul of Cinder after devouring enough undead, not Lord of Sunlight because his Fire is currently not strong enough to grant Lightning) is dying or whatever.
>>738075718Mama Mia, gai jina no seppuku Italianisimo?
>>738074887Humans before the Dark Soul were the Pygmies, and became Humans after they were granted fragments of the Dark Soul known as Humanity. Humans are immortal, but are bound by Gwyn's Darksign as to not eclipse his power. This originally allowed Humans to "die," but when his power faded, they've now begun to return in the form of Undead: not truly immortal, but enough of their strength to not pass away. Notably, the Dark Soul/Humanity is powered by emotion, so if they lose sight of their selves, their passions, or otherwise fall into despair, then that's when they enter the state of being Hollow: not enough strength to power the Dark Soul and retain their identity, but its flame lingers too much to ever let them truly die. That's usually when they start seeking out other pieces of Humanity, when they can no longer tend to their own. This is also why, when you've yet to complete a boss in an area, you can just passively gain Humanity at random, as your perseverance is fueling your fragment of the Dark Soul, and you're naturally reversing your Hollowing. Presumably, most Hollow you see "die" are those that have lost enough or fully completed their goals to the point that they can embrace eternal rest, or are just permanently buried for gameplay reasons. At least as far as Humans go. Notably, the all the rest of the First Flame is finite and dwindling, so they all can actually end up dying.
>>738074887the darksign apparently gave mortality to humans and because the games all happen when the Flame is weak everyone is immortal and the darksign is weak. Presumably when you link the Flame it strengthens the darksign and everyone becomes mortal again.
>>738075730>Gwyn badVaati has been a disaster for souls lore.
>>738075894Vaati literally thinks Gwyn is a "tragic-good" character and has the exact opposite opinion of >>738075730 post nigga what are you smoking.
>>738075579essentially>Solaire "time is convuted" is a mistranslation>more correctly, time is stagnating>considering before the first flame, the world is a gray landscape of immutable things>the flame not only introduces disparity, but also let time flow>the DSIII sorcery Repair support this: "While the effects of this spell are rather subtle, its foundations are a well-guarded secret. Light is time, and the reversal of its effects is a forbidden art.">so, if the flame goes out, time stagnates>likely this affects first the areas next to the klin and propagates outwards, explaining why this for DaS is true only in Lordan and not the realms of men>this concept has link with Shintoism, where stagnating means also accumualting things and getting "impure">reflected by the deep in DSIII, which is essentially dark that got rotten since the era of dark was constantly puched back by the linking of the flame>linking the fire thus is effectively fucking with the order of things because the era of fire shouldn't last this long >which is what Aldia refers to as the "first sin" committed by Gwin>by DSIII space is also stagnating arong the first flame, not just time>the dark lord is scary for the gods as it can leverage this stagnating time and do as it pleases>also, this recontextualises invasions: who invades moves to the point in time where the invadee existed and either kills him or get sent back to his own time (see Lautrec invading you in DaS but not dying if you defeat him)>same goes for who supports you eg. Tarkus in DaS is called in your time to kill the golemTLDR cyles do not exists and time either is flowing or is getting close to stop flowing due to the flame dying, collapsing on itself and leading to several sheganingans
>>738077607meant to ping >>738075718
>>738062051age of dark? with no sun? no solaire? fucking retarded snake thing GTFO!!!
>>738077607'time' in DaS is 'faketime', in the sense that it is just a 4th spacial axis of structure, with different people inhabiting different places on the 4th axis. It breaks down because it was 'fake', and the reason 'faketime' is important to the plot is because its the manner by which Gwyn obscured the 'fakeness of the world of DaS' itselfbasically Gwyn is a shitty Demiurge trying to sacrifice the people (even the nature of 'souls' and the Dark Sign in the setting parallel the nature of the 'Matrix's energy harvesting in the Matrix) and the intro cutscene in DaS1 is an unreliable narrator.
I asked AI>Hollows are the primordial, default state of all life in the Dark Souls universe. When the First Flame appeared, it created the concepts of light and dark, and from this new darkness, humanoid creatures known as Hollows emerged. >These early Hollows were soulless, empty vessels that existed in a limbo between life and death. Their relationship to later races is defined by the Lord Souls they discovered within the First Flame:>Gods: Four specific Hollows found powerful Lord Souls (Light, Life, Death, and Dark). Those who claimed the Souls of Light, Life, and Death became the Lords (Gwyn, the Witch of Izalith, and Nito) and their respective races, transitioning from their natural Hollow state into distinct, powered beings. >Humans: The Hollow who found the Dark Soul (the Furtive Pygmy) did not become a god but instead shattered the soul into fragments called Humanity. He distributed these shards to other Hollows, effectively creating the human race. >Therefore, humans and gods are not separate creations but rather Hollows who acquired souls. Humans are specifically Hollows imbued with fragments of the Dark Soul, which Gwyn later sealed with the Darksign to prevent the Age of Dark. When a human dies and loses their humanity, they revert to their original, natural form: a Hollow. Thus, Hollowing is not a curse or a transformation into a monster, but a return to the innate, soulless state that all beings possessed before the Age of Fire.Is that true? The gods were also Hollows? Is they why Gwyn seems to be a Hollow at the end of the first game too?
>>738077868>>Is that true?no nothing there is true>>738077607>>738075730is the closest to the truth we can infer
What ending lets me keep Gwyndolin as my boywife?
>>738077868>Is that true? The gods were also Hollows? Is they why Gwyn seems to be a Hollow at the end of the first game too?not really, hollowing is for what I understand the loss of humanity by an human. Its a cursed state which exists because of the darksign, which is something Gwin made to keep humanity, ie who would inherit the world after the flame dies, at bay. See DaS "humanity restored", where you get humanity back into your character. I don't remember how Gwin is described in DaS but he has gone mad after sacrificing part of his soul to the flame. He's not an hollow as an human but he's a shell of himself as it has lost part of itself to the flame.
>>738062051>Kaathe's thing is teaching humans how to lifedrain>No Darkwraiths show up in Oolocile>Nor is anyone with the art of lifedrain present>Kaathe also has no reason to even lie, the Age of Dark will come even without his interference It's almost like... it was a different serpent... who possibly plays both sides was behind Oolocile... now who is that treacherous...?
