Finally, my PSU can now power on my GPU...
I know its a joke image but I had my GPU powered by one of those "devil tail" split power connectors for years before I found out later you really shouldn't use those
>>738078331>balancing the load across pinsngmi, you should be connecting it all as a single big rail so it can push the load as unevenly as possible, do you even nVidia?
>>738078331today i finally upgraded, now i can game Outward in native 4k.i find it strange it took gpu makers 10 years to go from>8gbto>16gb vramon a card under 700$. what a decade it has been. from 1070 to 9070.and yes, i was weirded out that it has TWO pcie connectors, but their i found out some versions of 9070 have THREE of them, which is one more than my psu has, so if i accidentally boughted that one, i would end up like op.
why do I need anything above a 3060? is there anything worth playing that I can't already run?
Nvidcucks are something else
>>738078331...is that hot glue?
>>738079149no
>>738079323>james channel.jpg
>>738079413my sides are in orbit
>>738078481LMFAO is this real? I haven't bought a GPU since the 2080TI and even that was stupidly fucking huge and power hungry relative to my 1080TI.
I still don't get why GPU and PSU vendors didn't switch to lithium batteries type connectors. Those are cheap and reliable for high currents
>>738079413His projects are horrifyingLike, dude, flux and solder isn't that different from a hot glue gun, jesus christ
>>738078331>And that's how my house burned down...
>>738078331hypothetically, what happens if you actually plug this shit in
>>738079925>LMFAO is this real?100% real.>the 2080TI and even that was stupidly fucking huge Just wait until you see the 40XX and 50XX series cards.
>>738079950Should've just done what datacenters are doing and skip the AC to DC PSU. Just stick an 800V DC car charger into a DC to DC converter.
>>738079950>cheap and reliable(((OEM)))'s only care about cheap for themselves and reliable to break precisely after warranty expires, they don't care about the rest
>>738080067It gets power.
>>738080079Gonna need to buy a second PC case for just the GPU if they keep growing like this
>>738080079Haribo
>>738080061it's hot glue, it's made for high temps ;)
>>738078331name one reason this wouldn't workyou can't
>>738080079Holy shit i'm fucked, the 2080TI was a snug fit.
>>73808039712VHPR connector.
>>7380804765060ti 16gb fits fine in a small case and micro board, then again a 5090 probably would not but I also would need a new board, new ram (the expensive new kind), new power supply. So basically a new PC really.
>>738079149NoNew games are totally dog shit, it's not even a meme anymore. Just an endless stream of concordlikes
>>738080240>>738080476nature ALWAYS finds a way
>>738081039just buy a new case. they're not that expensive. hell you can use a cardboard box
>>738081098A STATE OF EMERGENCYWHAT DO YOU SEE
>>738081165a fire hazard
>>738078481>electricity bill>from a gpuWhat kind of third world shit hole do you live in?
>>738080079The next gen of GPUs are going to be uranium powered.Banned in Iran
>>738081362it will get to a point where it will just be less expensive to run the from ma data centre, just rent a top line GPU to play a game just like people who don't have cards with enough VRAM do to run AI applications locally
anyone have that video of a 5090 pulling 23 amps down 1 rail?
>>738081039desu those optiplex refurbished pc are really good value
>>738079075>>738080079i'm glad zoomers get to experience an era where their tech starts gets huge and bulky for a while before it shrinks down again
>>738078437No? Mine came with one. It looked proprietary. What's the issue with them?
>>738082967>What's the issue with them?Most likely scenario is that it's absolutely fine. If you have a power hungry GPU a single power cable might cause a bottleneck. You won't set your house on fire, probably. It's more one of those things "If you have the cables to spare, there's no real reason to use it."
>>738083618Interesting. I'll have to take a look next time I open it for a dusting.
>>738082836>shrinks down againor will it?
>>738080240they already make those
>>738080179>battery companies are uniquely immune to these faultsdo you even think before you post?
>>738086404>>battery companies are uniquely immune to these faultsI never said thatdo you even think before you post?
>>738084249there is no way USB supports the level of realtime data transfer for this to be a viable option
>>738081514no thanks microslop
>>738086451>computer hardware manufacturers won't use battery connectors because they're only concerned with cutting cost and profit margins the implication here is that the companies that do use those connectors (battery manufacturers), don't care. otherwise your argument makes no sense.
>>738080079and i thought my new 9070 xt was big i even had to get a support to help hold it up and prevent sag
>>738086482it uses thunderbolt
>>738086576I was just making a wordplay joke about 'cheap and reliable', I wasn't >implying anything beyond that you stupid sperg
>>738081039this is a short waiting to happen
>>738080476My case had a scant 2mm to spare slotting in a 4070ti super. Next case i'm getting needs at least 400mm+ of space. At least if the world goes to hell I can mount this GPU on a stick and beat people with it
Hmm I wonder what these are for
>>738078331A friend of mine was short one power supply cable when installing a new video card a few months ago and asked for one of mine since I save all of my old computer stuff whenever I build a new one. Apparently the cables are NOT interchangeable and it set his video card on fire.
>>738080476just be a two fan chad
>>738078437>shouldn't use thosefuck, im not buying a new psu though
>>738081039Kek, that reminds me when I first got a 1080 and it wouldn't fit my old case so I tore out the cd drive slots.
>>738078481funneling AC straight into the GPUWhatCouldPossibleGoWrong?
>>738078481Which model is that? I can't find any 5090 with such a socket on its ass
>>738078437i once made one of those because the fucking shit dell 1000W power supply only had an 8 pin EPS connector
>>738087397None of your business
Why not make the GPU its own sisterboard at this point? It could go side by side with the motherboard, with enough space for a proper 2 tower heatsink, a 24-pin power connector, and a pcie cable instead of having a literal brick hang on for dear life from the mobo's pcie port
>>738089902costs money to develop and retool for new form factorAlso not sure a CPU-style cooler would be adequate for the amount of heat a GPU puts out, has to cool not only the GPU but also the VRAM and VRMs and basically everything else on the board because of how hot it gets
>>738081275Shit pulls as much as a microwave under load except is used much more often, if you actually pay your own bills it's very noticeable. Granted anyway that worries about that shouldn't buy this overpriced shit anyway, it isnt necessary for gaming at all.
>>738081098I feel as though all those expensive and delicate computer parts should have better protection than a cardboard box.
>>738081275>I don't pay my own bills and my mom pays for my existencewe can tell anon
>>738087397Stop noticing. You are not allowed to desolder the power connectors and work directly with the through hole pads, you must use the fire hazard port.
>>738089902mother and sister board at the same time....
>>738091131Oyakodon house fire...
you guys are just against technology advancements
What do people even use new GPUs for? There really isnt anything worth playing that requires anything new.
>>738091943Running LLMs locally.There's literally no point to having any new GPU. If you have a 3080 or a 6800 XT that's basically enough.
>>738090251>>738090527But no, really. What kind of third world shitholes do you live in?
>>738083618Or just use the 12vhpwr cable if your PSU comes with one.
>>738081275Mine went $100 with a 3060 awhile ago during my vacation. I dread to imagine what my 5080 will do next October.
>>738092010For that Ray-Tracing, definitely. I find that a lot of good vidya is playable even on a GTX 1660 ti if playability is the bare minimum standard.
>>738092847What a shithole.I run a window unit 24/7 and it raised my bill like $7 a month.
>>738080476As you can see, the PCB isn't any bigger than the 2080ti's. The size is purely from the cooler used to cool the +600w card, you can always water cool it.
>>738078331Explain to me right fucking now why I'd need anything bigger than my 3080.
>>738093460Yerp, but it's mine. No one touches it.
>>738088364Call me old fashioned but I miss when my electronic devices could only be fed DC
>>738088653it's fake
>>738095286for now.
>>738095357True, there's already shit like this after all.
>>738086769There's no wordplay there you fucking retard
>>738078437should be fine if you undervolt
>>738078481How long until we need to put our GPUs on a separate circuit?
lol, lmao even, it was foretold
>>738097214what's else is foretold now and will come out in the future?
>>738079149Honestly it's fine. I gave my sister my old 3070 and she's having 0 issues with modern games. Her favorite is spess mehrine 2 right now.
>>738079950Just don't melt those lithium connectors when soldering, the burned plastic smell is one of the most horrid smells you could imagine, if you've ever smelled what a melted old Bic lighter is like it's the exact same chemically drenched death aroma.
>>738097214chat is this real
>>738097796>quake XII: the rage of timmy mastersseems legit
>>738097214Why the fuck is Don Francisco on the picture? lmao
>>738086932It's obviously not a short, retard, it's too long.
How long until the 6000 series gets leaked I wanna see how retardedly big a 6090 will be.
>>7380983376000 series is canceled due to israel's war
>>738098556nyoooooo
>>738078437it's honestly fine so long as the cables are properly rated.The problem comes from inside the GPU if it's not regulated properly and those 2 connectors actually tie to the same transformer
>>738094129Because the 3090 exists you fucking joke
>>738081275I have a 3080ti.It likely increased my energy bill by 20$ because since just after i got it my bill went up by 20$
>>738079925>Is this real?No but it feels like it is somehow
>>738079075I upgraded from a 960 2gb to a 3080tiShit was fucking wild
>>738079950With how much shit those new gpus are pulling may as well use pic rel.
>>738097214>Quake XIII: It's Hammer Time
>thread made 8 hours ago>barely 100 replies>peak weekend hours/v/ is so fucking dead holy shit
>>738080079That's a family sized Haribo cola bottle pack btw. A trick of the light makes you think it's a small one, it's not.
>>738100568You can thanks the retarded niggers making up the admin team working for pissrael.
>>738078481Can someone spoonfeed me why this is bad?
>>738101976Imagine needing the same beefy cable you use for your whole PC to power just 1 part of it. It's like you have 2 PCs.
>>738101976nigga your GPU so fat it needs a whole power cable and you find that normalnext week it'll need a full power plant to run unreal engine AAA games ( using framegen ) and you people will be ok with that shit
>>738078481>>738099678More. The GPU yearns for the Phase III connector.
>>738101976Your computer already has a power lead, which pulls from the same socket that everything else in your house pulls from. A refrigerator can manage with one lead. A kettle can manage with one lead. A microwave can manage with one lead.Apparently that's no longer enough, and you need a second one, just for the GPU. As in, the power draw can be expected to be so excessive, that you need more power than a 900W microwave running permanently. All for the luxury of unoptimised triple-A slop about gay niggers set in medieval scandinavia getting cucked by a disabled latrinx and blaming capitalism, developed by a team of 2,000 members of ranjeet pradesh's extended family, with template UE5 lighting and play-doh models.
>>738102768Meanwhile my emulation station runs on usb to play better games from the past.Odd world.
>XT90 connector is rated for 90A continuous, could deliver 1080W at 12V and has been around for decadesare PC hardware companies even trying?
>>738103064Housefires are highly profitable.
>>738092440Trumps America unfortunately
>>738078331absolutely horrific, but should work better than an actual retail one since each wire is actually fucking isolated instead of having a shared strip for ground
>>738103064
>>738087397Connectors are connected to board with those pins.He could have soldered wires on those directly to bypass those connectors or do both for that smooth conductivity.
PCs should have moved to 48v
>>738105518this but 72v
>>738105518going beyond 12v was a mistake.
Either gpus or motherboards need a complete redesign. Modern gpus are massive and them being held in place entirely by a tiny strip of plastic that can crack with the slightest incorrect pressure is fucking retarded.
>>738107790higher voltage is better
>>738080079I recently bought this It weighs like 7 pounds kek
>>738108178>more is betterconsoome.
>>738108662no its literally better since you need less copper
>>738108797then we should use thin wires for 110v or 220v with
>>738103064but soldering is hard and crimping is easier...
>>738079950>>738099678Really should use those screw in power connectors like on amps.
>>738103357Sucks to be a blue state commie traitor, but it's great here in Maga Country.
>>738081098>>738090294maximum airflow
>>738109915there have been high power PCB connectors and terminals for decades but for some retarded reason the PCI sig decided they needed ANOTHER standard (sponsored by nvidia heuhueuhe)
>>738079925i played and finished crimson desertmy power bill went up 20 dollars
>>738112043Too much airflow
>>738095565aight lil chuddie bro
>>738101486what about the keyboard size compared to the haribo bag...
>>738091131My mother's my sister
>>738105242ye ik retard i was being sarcastic
>>738105242this way he can easily unplug it and sell it on to some shmuck in the future though
>>738102398basedcall me nuts but this should exist in every homevery comfy to usevery sturdy, water and dust proof (depends on model)retard-proof as well (retards can't unplug it)
>>738092010What's the best stuff you can run on a RTX 4050 laptop for smut writing? Been procrastinating making it work or even googling it.
>>738114713>4050lollmaoyou done fucked up, lad.
>>738081098>build>cut>ignite
>>738082836>tech starts gets huge and bulky for a while before it shrinks downMate consoles have only become bigger and bigger since the 1980s.
Serious question: Why don't GPUs use Anderson Plugs? They are already commonly used in automotive applications.They are dead simple, and designed for sustained, high-amperage 12-24V loads. They start at 50 amps for the smallest version and ramp up to 350. Why reinvent the wheel?
>>738112043the sad part is this is not even that dumb, all you need is some isolating tape or whatever the fuck behind the mobo and that's it
>gpu comes with the cable on the right>power supply comes with cable on the leftChoices, choices.....
>>738081275The kind where I pay for my own bills.Now go get your tendies box.
>>738111980Gas prices status?
>>738116931$3.50-ish a gallon.>>738116490Yeah yeah yeah. You live in a shithole were energy prices are expensive so you gotta ration your electricity for your toys. Womp womp.
>>738115802Objectively speaking the PSU one is safer.The split increases the points of failure and points of heating, on top of being made with cheapshit parts due to cost cutting.Meanwhile the PSU one is one solid straight cable decently high quality (same as your other cables at least) and because of this the voltage is far more stable on it.
>>738114365I am a retard and I unplug these at work every so often
>>738117763>You live in a shithole were energy prices are expensive so you gotta ration your electricity for your toysBy that definition Russia and China and not shitholes because they have (very) cheap electricity. Why are you teenagers today so incredibly retarded?
>>738086482It's thunderbolt and you do lose performance. Something like 10% or so.
>>738107968They do not, it is the cases that are wrong. Reject the vertical, embrace horizontality.
>>738079413I love James but I grind my teeth when he gets out the Dremel instead of a solder sucker.
>>738117913Quit replying to the inbred dumb fuck, anon
>>738117913Why do city shitters always run to this defense? My 7900xt doesn't make my electricity bill go up.
>>738117886based retard
>>738080476i have a rtx 5070ti and a radeon rx 7900 xt and the amd one is twice the size.
>>738079075It's the 9070xt which has 3 pcie slots, all 9070 vanilla models have only 2 i'm pretty sure.
>>738082836There is zero chance that the GPUs will ever shrink in size Their heat density is greater than ever and they're pushing 3+GHz clock speeds now
>>738080079>Just wait until you see the 40XX and 50XX series cards.The 5090 Founders Edition is a 2-slot card. Some say the cooler is underpowered or too noisy under load but idk I think it's alright (and the card was "cheap" relatively speaking). It is almost impossible to disassemble/reassemble without breaking it though so if say one of the fans break after the warranty period, tough luck.
>>738115316>only 2 wiresare you dumb or stupid
>>738078437Those devil tail split connectors are actually safer than the new 12V HPWR connector.The HPWR connector is essentially still a devil tail with 6 separate veins (two pins each connected to one vein), but due to lack of proper load balancing of power on the GPU side with Nvidia GPUs (because Nvidia cheaped out) you can have the full wattage being drawn over a single wire.That's literally not possible with the old devil tail cables, since they connect to separate rails on the PSU side which simply don't deliver that much wattage individually. (Which is kind of the whole point of needing to bundle multiple being input to the card.) Ergo, they cannot ever suffer the critical cable/connector melt that the flawed HPWR design can.
>>738121636Well as you might know Nvidia designed their cards as if all the current from the 12VHPWR/12V-2x6 connector was coming through a single thick wire anyway which is at the root of all the problems. They used to do it in a better way in the 3090FE/3090Ti cards.
>>738108178Switching higher voltages is physically slower. That's why your CPU runs at 1V. I'm not sure what the GPU core runs on, but I bet its similar.If you run higher voltage around your computer, then I assume you'd need more advanced step-down circuitry to get down to 1V again.
>>738121636The 12VHPWR has six tiny pins for positive, and six tiny pins for negative. All twelve pins must be used to run safely. If any of these pins fail, the other pins can become overloaded and the connector can catch fire.Anderson Plugs have a single, massive positive pin and a single, massive negative pin. With a single point of failure, if something goes wrong, it fails into a safe and non-functional state.The sense pins were only added because of how fucking stupid the 12VHPWR design is. Anderson Plugs don't need sense pins because the connector wasn't designed by a pack of shit-eating retards at nVidia. They attempted to reinvent the wheel, and failed miserably, causing several fires.
>>738121843The 12VHPWR was designed to fry cards so you couldn’t sit on a 4090 for a decade like 1080 Tis did. Anything lower in the product stack gets obsolesence through the limited VRAM pool.
>>738080021I suppose it might have an use case like there are multiple pins just next to it and you're bad with precision. t. fucked up headphones repair by melting solder onto another pin/connection.
>>738121962The connector itself isn't that bad (3090Tis didn't melt like later cards), it's just that they fucked up the power delivery design bad in later cards, possibly on purpose. They don't balance the current draw between the wires like 3090Tis do so you better have a perfect connection (which you will not with eg. worn out connectors or slightly damaged wires)
>>738112043I'm an animal that eats at my computer, I'd be worried about rarely some piece of of food fuckoff flinging into a fan or onto a circuit board, or accidentally knocking over my glass and some fluid splashes onto a sensitive part.
>>738121810>Nvidia designed their cards as if all the current from the 12VHPWR/12V-2x6 connector was coming through a single thick wire anywayso, you're telling me it's just one card that does it. thanks for making my point>>738121843so? it all depends on the card. you'd have a rough transition period and that's a huge deterrent
>>738122440>so, you're telling me it's just one card that does itMost of the non-FE 40 and 50 series cards the exact same shitty power delivery as well. A few attempt various ways of fixing this but its all just patching over Nvidia's shitty design. There's a card from Asus which can monitor how much current is going through each of the wires and warn you if there's a connection issue but it can't even shut down the computer automatically lol. It's just a bad design made as if all the current was coming through a single thick wire so might as well make the connector like that. (or fix the design)
>>738122440No, it doesn't depend on the card.The 12VHPWR is simply badly designed. There's absolutely no reason for the power to be split between twelve tiny pins that all connect to the same conductors on the card.
>>738120921I changed the fans on a 3080 founders and it wasn't much of a problem. Is the 5090 founders somehow worse? I hated the really thin and awful flex cable style on the 3080 tho
>>738122783Now that I looked at someone doing it (here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faqCMjj5ndM) it doesn't seem THAT bad to be honest but at least on the 30 series there wasn't a separate board for the PCIe contacts. They say it's very easy to break the connector between this and the main GPU board.
>>738080240Or the ATX format needs to be replaced.
>>738078437Used them for over a decadeFrom a r9290 to a 4090.You'll be fine
>>738122393Worst part about owning a launch 4090 is the knowledge. I remove the card every summer to dedust it and the frontal radiator as nu-PC parts need serious airflow which means dust. Too bad the actual connector is rated for like 20 matings meaning one summer I will fire it back up and the card will kill itself as designed.
>>738123629christ that pcb looks tiny
>>738126720I guess they had to do it this way (tiny board in middle) to have any chance of getting a 5090 (and 5080 probably 5070 as well) into a 2-slot card with still at least adequate cooling but I'm not an expert on thermal engineering. I think the 5090 FE is pretty neat except for the shitty power delivery design. (and price though it's the cheapest 5090 if you manage to buy it directly from a drop)
>>738099678Is that like just a solid chunk of copper?
>>738078437I currently have four v620s powered by those connectors lmao
>>738102768>All for the luxury of unoptimised triple-A slop about gay niggers set in medieval scandinavia getting cucked by a disabled latrinx and blaming capitalism, developed by a team of 2,000 members of ranjeet pradesh's extended family, with template UE5 lighting and play-doh models.Splendid summary.
>>738092847oh no electricity went up 100? guess i cant order chipotle tonight..... i have to cook.....
>>738127939Kind of. Some are. The best ones are. They are used in welding machines to connect the wires.
>>738102768I don't meant to sound like I'm defending it because I'm a retarded techlet anyway, but if the powerdraw IS going to be that high, isn't it better to cut out the PSU middleman?
>>738081039based
>>738131649I'm not an expert but I think you aren't cutting out much if you put another dedicated power supply (aka AC-DC converter) inside the GPU assembly. There's also less space there for it to be properly cooled and it's going to heat up nearby GPU components. The current limit (what you can safely draw from "the wall") is not per single connector / outlet, rather eg. all outlets in the same room could be on the same circuit, so it might not even help that much if the GPU has its own mains power connector and PSU.
Actually you might be able to cut out something. 12VDC which PC PSUs output is probably not being used on GPU boards for anything but the fans. Modern GPU and RAM chips typically use very low (less than 2V) voltages. Maybe 5V and 3.3V are being used for something as well? You could build a PSU on the card which takes mains AC and directly provides all the required voltages in optimal proportions but I'm not sure how much less power you'd waste vs. converting everything to 12VDC first as a middle step.
>>738121810Based buildzoid educator.
>>738131793>structural support SSD
>>738102768>still use my old 2070 with 6Go vram>emulate old games (currently going through MSDOS stuff)>have fun>saved money spent on bribing 4chan's jannies (I double their salary)
