>"villain is evil">>"why?">"because... he just is, ok???"Name the character, /v/
>>738089131
>>738089131He's bald, that's why
>>738089131your pic is the typical answer and its because moralists are still upset that he's right about almost everything but it completely contradicts their worldview, so they find a label to slap on him and another label for anyone who calls them out on it
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>>738089524This doesn't make senseWhat if you're really good at being "evil"
>>738089131you're saying it as if being evil for shits an giggles doesn't make a good villain.https://youtu.be/xu6gmQCljfo
>>738089131Some people really are just evil
>>738089524your two panels are not self-exclusionary and you are attempting to find a reason to delude yourself into thinking anything but power through any means means anything because you don't possess ityou and your ideology are nothing but memetic spooks
>Villain is not directly evil, just so horny that the chaos and destruction is just collateral damage
>>738089774cant believe we got the mouth of sauron irl before gta 6
>>738089524I'd say relative TO A POINTMorality is a built in control mechanism for social species
>villain is evil because...>...he's a sentient non-three-dimensional binary star system millions of lightyears away, made of one dying older white star who is able to survive due to shared orbit with a younger smaller blue star which is able to subsist on the released nebula gas from the larger star in such a way that delays Supernova. These stars together form a God of stupidity, cowardice, and ugliness which has now invented remote space travel and possesses individuals from across the cosmos total planetary exploitation for the purposes of cracking the planet in two and feeding off both our own and the planet's massive psychic death screamsuch a fucking good book (not blood meridian)
>>738089524This picture doesn't even work because Holden actively improves himself at every opportunity he can get and subsequently destroys what he was studying.
>>738089131evil doesn't need a reason to be evil, evil simply is. the duality of life means that too good doesn't need a reason or a reward to simply be. as such be not both good and evil for one cannot be both hot and cold. sides should be drawn, choices should be made and neither side should budge. may each side collect their flock and be with each other that the innocent be not betrayed or caught in the middle of ceaseless conflict that too are inevitable. as is the nature of our universe, inescapable and forever.
>>738089524LMFAO HE'S HOLDING HIMSELF TO HIS IDEOLOGICAL OPPONENT'S STANDARD AS A FORM OF MISGUIDED SELF-IMPROVEMENT AAAAAAHAHAHA WHAT A FUCKING MARK
>>738090076Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind. Yes this world would be a pretty easy and pleasant place to live in if everybody could just mind his own business…but as a wise old black faggot said to me years ago, ‘some people are shits, darling.’ I was never able to forget it.
Nothing wrong with being evil.Kind of tired of the morally gray types OR HE HAD A HARD LIFE.
>>738089524What is this 'higher standard' if you are arguing against a nihilist?
>>738090076Ugh what a softie. Barely coherent too. I mean you get out your hot cocoa and say all that and then you're like 'haha idk its our destiny to suffer' like its some wise little statement when in reality, timeless joy is as old as despair.
>>738090041wat book
>>738090323Nova Express (Star System Bradley-Martin)You may recognize it's title is used for the underground newspaper in Watchmen
Reminder that Christians have no objective morality.
>>738089131Junko Enoshima
>>738090456How so? Is there a reason other than "I don't believe in it therefor it doesn't exist"?
>>738090478came here to post this, though might also cross with >>738089876. I mean she's full evil for the sake of, no argument there, but the entire game is one long foreplay for her, and she chose to lose because she couldn't contain her orgasm any longer.
Morality is a spook until you realize the egoist's ideal world is basically Myanmar or Somalia.
>>738090850Zanzibar... home...
>>738090850Silence is key. Nothing is true, everything is permitted. And no this is not an invitation to be as wild as possible.
>>738090182>Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mindThis is such a boomer take. Anytime you guys see blatant corruption wrong doing you just shake your head and say "that's the way it is!" "It's like that everywhere!" "Wow imagine if the situation was reversed!". And then drag down abyone who tries to fix things
>>738091035The corrupt are the ones who mind their own business the least, that's what corruption is. And yes you can rise to combat it, corruption carried out against you or your people is in fact your business.
>>738091123>The corrupt are the ones who mind their own business the leastor the complicit.
>>738090760Because there are no objective reasons to follow christian morality, a person can only subjectively decide to follow it.
>>738091224not true some blood fell on me and i objectively transformed into believing
>>738090456>God says don't kill, lie, steal, or fuck other people's wives, or go apostate>these aren't an objective set of rules to abide by??????
>>738089131Jungian thread
>>738089524TRVTH NVKE
>>738091409God is God because He's the Creator, and it is by definition true that all that comes from Him is good. It is actually not a popularity contest, performance review, or political campaign. You're mixing philosophies here. Now sure we can easily argue the set of God's rules and behaviors is good from a utilitarian standpoint to humans, but we'd be using different logical infrastructure to do so.
Everyday I live with the fear that Wendigoon will make a video about a book I like.
>>738089524>"""morals""" aka someone else's opinion
>>738091224You're using the word objectively very liberally there
>>738091572In matters of faith, the line between subjective and objective is a work
>>738091409Have you ever eaten a shrimp? Better apologize profusely!
>>738091572>words mean words? me no likey :(
>>738091679Really clever the big rewrite they did that one time.
>>738091224Nah, I was having a gay old time in my 20s. Making moves. Living large. Fucking hoes. Then Jesus saved me from the road to eternal damnation. I'm still pissed desu.
>>738090249The only argument a person should ever have with a nihilist is asking them to give you one good reason why you shouldn't just kill them if nothing matters.
>>738091535God passed down literal laws and a moral philosophy to abide by and to structure our relationships aroubd. You cannot separate theology from philosophy as the former assumes there are objective rules and the latter attempts to rationalize or break them down via imperfect human scrutiny. Utilitarianism runs contrary with human nature and the Christian morality because Christian morality encourages supporting the weak and lame even if it isn't immediately beneficial.
>>738091679>He said to them, “Are even you likewise without understanding? Do you not realize that everything that goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters not the heart but the stomach and passes out into the latrine?”>(Thus he declared all foods clean.)>“But what comes out of a person, that is what defiles."About half of atheist arguments are aggressively misunderstanding out of context Bible quotes
>>738091774Right but if that simply story isn't true then it's not objectively true. I mean if God merely turned out to be a team of five deities using the same name, then the religion would just not be true.
>>738091720I know exactly what the word means and that's why I'm criticizing his usage of it in that context.
>>738091869>but if Christianity is wrong then it's wrong!Wow, I never thought of it like that before. You should bring that up to the Pope!
The Church's primary function is to perform a long coverup and censorship campaign that Jesus was actually trying to explain we are all in portion God
>>738091952Well yeah that's the difference between objective and subjective. When you insist on splitting hairs at this level, you're going to get some fairly primary answers. You might not have noticed that none of this was an attempt to shake or destroy the faith
>>738091986>violating the first commandmentYikes!
Is he /ourguy/?
>>738091774>Christian morality encourages supporting the weak and lame even if it isn't immediately beneficialthat's delayed gratificationyou didn't make it christdog
>>738089131I liked Sarevok better than Jon "Incelf" Irenicus
>>738091819"It's just that Shrimple"Jesus of Nazareth, 1 AD.
>>738092064Shut up Jeetdog. Timur the Lame will come back and fuck you up again
>>738092051>old testamentyawn. You may have noticed that Jesus had more to say than the Jews prior and made changes to His gospel accordingly.
>>738091428https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkbpnSU67Do
>>738092039Why would you believe in anything at all when it's possible that it might be wrong?
>>738089131Why do people get mad at this? 99% of the criminals irl are evil just because they are that way
>>738091869>Right but if that simply story isn't true then it's not objectively true.But even if the God of the Bible was real and appeared right before you, christian morality still would remain subjective.
>>738092136>“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.>Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.m>Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.*>I tell you, unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.You're ignoring the commandments of God and the word of Christ to satiate your monstrous ego.
>>738091749You could have just chose not to do bad shit
Listen to my last words all you boards, government, syndicates, nations of the world. Listen to my last words if you value the bodies for which you will sell the ground out from unborn feet forever. All you boards, governments, cartels of the earth. Powers behind what filth deal consummated in what lavatory to take what is not yours to sell out your sons forever. I bear no sick words junk words love words forgive words from Jesus. I have not come to explain or tidy up. Explain how the blood, and bones, and brains of a hundred million more or less gooks went down the drain in green piss so you on the boards could use bodies, and minds, and souls that were not yours, are not yours, and never will be yours. 'Don’t let them see us, don’t tell them what we are doing!', 'Premature, premature, we need more time!', time for what, more lies? I say these words are not premature in fact they may be too late. Minutes to go... Minutes to goo. What scared you into space, into time, into shit? You who cannot face your own human dogs? And you want my name on your filth deals? To protect you from your human animals? I will not. You have the wrong name and the wrong number. I rub out your name forever, I rub out your directives forever. I rub out the word forever.
>>738092340If God doesn't exist then how do we know what "bad shit" is? Who's the authority on that? You? The TV? Taking in Christian values through culture osmosis and then pretending you could've come up with that on your own?
>>738092340What bad shit?
>>738092146I don't know, why do you? Exact same matters of faith, fool. You know what it feels like when skepticism becomes faith, and what it feels like to hold faith, and what it feels like to fall again to skepticism. Use your brain man
Evil always loses in the end and justice is forever. No matter how hard you try to bring me down I will always shine bright, and there will always be good men like me in the world.
>>738092271Just go ask your pastor if consuming shellfish is a sin. He probably has a clearer answer.
>>738092256what is conscience but the law of God written on our hearts, just as is written in the Bible?
>>738092523>>738092271Oh, whoops, thought we were talking about shrimp from the other conversation.Yeah it's a coverup. Misrepresented by design. They don't want that out. I mean look what was done to the guy in His lifetime
>>738092465You're not saying anything of substance. "You think things are one way but there's a chance it's actually something different." Wow man, groundbreaking stuff. We could be on Earth or we could be living in an intergalactic god-cat's asshole, you never know.
>>738089774>to escape a murder conviction in Egypt?why'd they let him in if they knew? wouldn't egypt put out an interpol notice for an escaped convict?
>>738089524
>>738092517if this is true why does evil existit can only be if your statement is falsereality cannot be ignored in favor of your ideology
>>738092116it was his grandson that holocausted all those 100 million jeets thoughbeitin india they hate him, if it wasn't for him there would be an extra 1 to 2 billion extra jeets in the world
Evil does not exist.
>>738092579Do you really need me to explain to you the difference between thinking something is true or not? Okay, here's an exercise. Take something true. Now say it is true. Now take something false, and say it is true. What's the difference? Are you having trouble because I am not using Christian language here?
>>738092556it's logic that dictates that "but it's okay when _I_ do it" is a bullshit argument
>>738092654Because it constantly feels the heat closing in and stays on the run
>>738092736Define 'I' and what is fair consciousness
>>738092556NTA, but if I wrote some scribbles on a piece of paper and convinced you it was the word of god. Would you follow it? Because it's not written on 'our hearts' since not everyone follows it. It it was in our hearts by nature theological discussion wouldn't be needed, everyone would know it inherently.
>>738092830What if the truth in our hearts is obscured by living in physical shit, in space and time? It can be there but able to be obscured by foreign forces
>>738092654>“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?>Tell me, if you have understanding.>Who determined its measurements—surely you know!>Or who stretched the line upon it?>On what were its bases sunk,>or who laid its cornerstone,>when the morning stars sang together, >and all the sons of God shouted for joy?The other half of atheist arguments are "I know better than the omniscient creator of everything">>738092735"You think something is true but maybe it's not" You're still not saying anything of substance. Maybe cars run on gas, maybe they actually run on magic frog cum. Maybe you aren't half as smart as you think you are.
>>738092878OK. But how does that lead to a conclusion? It just begs more questions.
>>738091774>Christian morality encourages supporting the weak and lame even if it isn't immediately beneficial.Christians will say shit like this then vote republican
>>738090182>yokel moralityLol>>738091123Lol yokel>>738091035Slave morality people cannot fathom having agency or power in the world. Their moral reasoning is that of the serf, the peasant, the willing slave. They 'dont rock the boat' they 'stay in line' they 'mind their buisness' they 'just follow orders'. Because that is the passive attitude that is expected of slaves and rewarded by the master not punishing them for getting uppity. They make a virtue out of their submission to those who rule over them.>>738089131King K. Rool from donkey kong.
>>738092271he was speaking to those that thought (and still do) that keeping the law will earn them a way to heaven, which it can't, cause they won't; only Jesus could, and that's why we need to believe in him to get thereJames 2>10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.that's God standard, and since it is impossible for men to attain, he sent Jesus Christ so he could fulfill it in our stead. get savedJohn 3>13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
>>738092886>"I know better than the omniscient creator of everything"Of course I do, because I am real and xe's not xD
Evil is the "easy way out", it's only thinking for one self vision. Being good is thinking about others even if things are harder. And putting them before yourself.Like to saying goes"10 years of goodness can be removed by 10 seconds of evil, and it may never reach the original point of goodness."People love morally gray villains, but they often mess up the final part when they try to redeem them. Someone wanting to be redeemed could work all his life and not reach it.So writing a villain "evil for the sake of it" can sometimes be easier to do. as people who write these characters don't have to ask themselves "what will they do to try getting better?"
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>>738092886Have you ever believed something that turned out not to be true? What did that feel like? Did you know it wasn't true before you found out it wasn't true? Have you ever confidently held a belief you were not aware at the time was undereducated or otherwise not true? What exact substance are you looking for? I'm not going to shit up something so simple. These are the basic relationships between the two factors 'True or False in Reality' and 'True or False in Mind'. The goal is to have your mind's truth in parity with reality's truth, which is not always the case and why this is a pursuit.
/v/ - religion & philosophy
>>738092830where did I say leople cannot or do not silence or ignore their conscience? that's free will; doesn't mean conscience is not there for everyone making them feel guilty when they lie etc.
>>738092950I didn't come to explain or tidy up.
>>738093098Yeah, if Christianity isn't true I'll be kicking my boots and yelling dag nabbit in the empty void where there is no thought or existence
>>738093093fucking owned. you really got our number
>>738092830I believe that miracles have happened, I do not believe the Hume mindset where we are to not believe miracles even if they happen right before our eyes
>>738092649>talks about human evolution>is too stupid to actually evolve into a successful person in the empty materialistic world we've found ourselves inWe're not cavemen anymore, tribes and groups mean nothing in modern society.
>>738093194Sure. Not a problem. None of what I have said is an accusation that you would feel humiliated in the afterlife. Quite the contrary.
But to be fair I think he's evil because he has severe autism or some other undiagnosed mental illness, explains his retard strength
>>738093213>We're not cavemen anymore, tribes and groups mean nothing in modern society.Imagine believing that when modern Western society is fully controlled by one tribe
>>738093213Lmao you have been fucking LIQUIDATED my friend.
>>738093149I mean this with the best intent, NTA means I don't care about what was said before. I'm just some guy. If there was an argument before I have no stake in it.>>738093205What about chance though? However unlikely it is that good or bad happens, if you're on the good receiving end you'll likely attribute it to miracle or karma, or whatever.
>>738093313How come? I'm doing fine
>>738089131Donald John Trump.
>>738093279>villain is evil because... he has a heretofore undiagnosable pressure in the right-center of his brain causing chronic pain and a violent migraine when exercising his Right Parietal LobeThe best
>>738093213>too stupid to actually evolveYou have no idea what evolution is or how it works.
>>738090158House isn't evilHe's right
>>738093386You said in words (not realizing you didn't and couldn't possibly mean this) that you have no identity or group because you can fluidly move throughout the countryUnless you mean it by conscious practice, in which case you're actually super fucking based
>>738093368>Because it's not written on 'our hearts' since not everyone follows it....I was addressing your point directly, lmao
>>738089131I've always though from the thumbnail that this dude had Mickey Mouse ears.
Honestly Judge Holden is a pretty stupid cartoony character. Don't get me wrong the raw violence and cruelty is something, but he's a fucking clown of a symbol
>>738089524I'm a stud. I’m ballsy. I don’t take no shit from anyone.I improve myself because I want to! I don't need to invent cope philosophical frameworks, like you! OHOHOHO
When did you guys realize that the loser arguing about "MORALS DON EXITS, CHRISTIANITY DUMB" is just ragebaiting you?
>>738093673That's definitely true. One of the many alien schemes sent by the Nova Mob to fan conflict on this hostile zoo, make a rushjob out of this planetary extraction, and leave before the whole fucking shithouse goes up
>>738093532Yes. but is it inherent to everyone then? No? So it isn't written on our hearts, unless you mean that people deliberately go against their nature and are bad just because. Humans are animals we need things and we'll do what we can to not die and live our best lives, to be happy. Am I wrong?
Some people are just nonsensically evil and rottenLook at karen boomers or cluster b psychos
>>738093636I thought it was intentional to make him look ridiculously evil and corrupted. He was more or less a manifestation of the vile shit permeating the land, so had to look the part.Also videogame characters that are just evil... I guess any final boss in an rpg and most fighting games. Those tend to have basic bitch 'Im evil xd' vilains
>>738093673>morality didn't exist before jews plagiarized from better civilizationschristcucks lol
>>738093826Its inherently true we have an appendix and a capacity for algebra, or at least some of us. Yet think of all the people in history and even now why just will never know.
>>738093213more like>talks about human evolution>thinks it's real
>>738093863Probably is the case.
>>738094019>casually walking around without a shirt onThat is pure evil
>>738093279Some horrible stuff happened to his mother when he was a kid I think and it started his downward spiral, but by the time of the games, he had become completely unredeemable. Maybe who he was when young was an innocent victim, but who he was as an adult was a monster.The anime adaptation should be for this year and he's confirmed back so I wonder how they will adapt him.
>>738092051That's all modern christians
>>738093826>but is it inherent to everyone then? No? Yes.>unless you mean that people deliberately go against their naturenot "their nature", but the God's standard, the law, written on our hearts, called conscience. human nature is to actually listen to the creation (our body's whims and carnal desires) more than the creator
>>738089131I just think its fun to beat up Ganondorf
>>738094182you're a very eloquent communicator i must say
>>738094182So are all humans born equal? Because if god has a standard it should be applied equally? That is what a standard is. And we're all born with it? Does that mean that all these violent shitholes on this planet are actually gods way of saying they're bad people?
>>738094056>suikoden ii animehuh? really?
>>738094365idk who said being a sick indian who hurts himself and others not playing or knowing the rules, was any wrong way to live. it just happens. and some cultures can suffer long catastrophe. often called god's direct will but who's to say there isn't millennia of stochastic cataclysm in his designs? idk im not that anon btw just screwing around really
>>738094365It's plainly evident that the guy born with skin cancer and downs syndrome wasn't born equal to Chad Thundercock and that doesn't disprove God. He said that we are equal in Him and that's it.
>>738094479Oh wait, god is probably not stochastic by definition, is he
>>738094482good souls in goofy bodies perhapsit is notable that some amount of at least old testament doctrines called directly genetic cleanliness, alongside systems to limit cruelty to the sick
>>738094448Yeah, first anime done entirely by Konami's own anime studio, will involve anime people and some of the game people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXssTd_3R3Q
>>738094365Yeah, that's why all children go straight to heaven up until the moment in which they are actually capable of understanding the concept of "sin" (going against conscience) and willingly do it, after which they have no excuse and need to put their trust in Jesus to pay the ransom for them like everybody elseJohn 1125 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
>>738093481Yeah. Not only that, but he seems to be the most capable person around.
>>738089131The big bad guy from Xenoblade 3 lmaoIt was so fucking bizarre since the previous two games made an effort to make their villains make sense or have some kind of backstory.Then you confront the big bad guy of Xenoblade 3 and the protagonist literally fucking asks him why he devised the most cruel, inhuman, brutal, and fucked up system in the entire seriesand his response is "Because it amuses me"
>>738094903Me and my brother recently talked about the layers of hell and pergatory depicted in Dante's Inferno and Purgatorio (I am spelling this shit wrong I am drinking at the moment.) And It bothered me how the people who didn't know or were never told about god are thrown into pergatory, and are bundled in with sinners who still can reach god and true 'heaven'. And Like Dante, do they need to see hell and everyone else in Purgatory? Like a tour? Seems cruel to me.
>>738094903Sounds like a loooooooot of spiritual accounting with a lot of tricky exceptions and caveats, enough to make the Assessors of Maat blush
>>738095239there's no purgatory nor is Dante's Inferno anything but fiction. the Romans 1 excerpt touches on the conversation you had though, the tl;dr being that reality itself is evident of a conscious creatorRomans 1>18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amenthat's why sharing the good news about Jesus Christ (the gospel) is so important. don't worry though - there's a promise from God in Matthew 7:Matthew 7>7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
>>738095035>embodiment of all of mankind's thoughts ran through an AI and condensed into a super being>apathetic self-serving sadist with no real motives beyond stopping things from progressing>traps countless children in an eon-long cycle of war, tragic deaths, and pointless reincarnations for literally no real reason beyond satisfying his boredom>everything bad that happens in the game was just because he was bored
>>738095613I'm going to assume you're responding in good faith. But that's the thing. You could have copy-pasted that from any site in the world. And I am supposed to believe it is the word of god? I want to believe, but I can't.
>>738095263>enough to make the Assessors of Maat blushlol'd. not really though. basically children up to a certain age and the mentally disabled are exempt, everyone else (without Jesus Christ) is toast. don't pretend like we weren't warnedMatthew 7>13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
