How did they manage to fuck this up so badly?>"We'll make our OWN Smash bros style game!">"Oh cool! will we get our consoles most iconic characters? Spyro? Cloud? Crash? Snake?">"No lmao. We got Fat Princess, though!">"Oh.">"Oh, and Dante!">"oh, nice!">"New Dante. you know the edgy one everyone hates."
only thing wrong with it was how you win
>>738093164Okay smart guy, how would you have fixed it?
>>738093272>remove weird convoluted win condition>add at LEAST spyro and crash>relace nudante with classic dantethats all it needed.
>>738093164This game was doomed from the start. Sony made a no-name indie dev make it instead of something like Japan Studio.
Literally just change the fact that you can only kill people with supers.
>>738093164the fact fucking smash bros managed to get cloud and snake, and their playstation competitor didn't will be forever funny
>>738093437smash got soraFUCKING SORAkingdom hearts was a PS2 big hitterwhat the fuck
>>738093568>>738093437this could have been mitigated if playstation allstars was a good game
>>738093568and brawhalla has tons of characters that smash can only dream of. who the fuck cares
>>738093245>no Robbit>no Everquest/Champions of Norrath rep>no Cloud or other PS Final Fantasy rep like Squall>no Dark Souls repPlaystation could have had a legitimate smash competitor with a diverse roster that celebrates their significant influence on gaming history, but chose to make a cheap, shitty Great Value smash instead
>>738093164They gave to a D-tier literal who studio with the budget of a tuna sandwich. Don't forget it had that gay online pass shit.
>>738093437To be fair, Squeenix is notoriously hard to work with, in the off chance they did get Cloud, it'd be a similar situation with Smash where he gets 2 non remixed songs and a single stage, but it would probably be worse because they would never approve of the changing stage gimmick
>>738093164>"Oh, and Dante!">"oh, nice!">"New Dante. you know the edgy one everyone hates."This was inevitable. Capcom was in a phase where they were trying really fucking hard to convince people that the old dante design was dumb and gay, and the new one was a vast improvement
>>738094492thank fucking god they didn't try to hamhand him into MVC3
>>738093164Shit was kinda doomed from the start. All of the biggest PlayStation games weren't even owned by Sony or had other bullshit. Gran Turismo is their biggest ip but how the fuck are you gonna implement a Subaru in an arena fighting game? The reason Smash is even able to exist, is because Nintendo kept their IPs
>>738093164>>738093804>>738093363As far as a first party roster is concerned, it's honestly almost as good as it could have been
>>738094492Dante IS dumb and gay, but that's the whole point!
>>738093164>10 random generic white dudes like that one white straight male from concord >no Spyro Just look at that boxart. Literally who would want to play that game.Smash succeeded and failed because it had a fun roster of totally unique characters and shit the bed when it started adding 50 different anime swordsman and minecraft splatoon garbage muddying their roster.This PlayStation BR roster is literally just mud.One thing they got right is OG Kratos and not nu soibeard Cucktos.
>>738093164Should have had a generic army grunt guy representing CoD.
>>738093745oh yeah, nonbinary furry literal whos, I so wish they could be in smash
tldr; Nintendo's advantages with their IP over Sony is the result of corporate culture and hierarchy encouraging a more unified fandom over IP in comparison to Sony's first party studios who are largely scattered globally and whose fanbases for the most part don't overlap
>>738095796I mean nu kratos was still like a almost decade away
>>738093164yes it had a terrible cast but the biggest fuck up was how you actually win matches in this game. idk how the fuck the devs didn't get bored out of their minds when making this pile of shit after playing a few matches. They clearly wanted this to fail with such a stupid design choice.
>>738095615As in it was never going to be good? Yes I agree.
>>738093164The character roster was incredibly bad, but even that would be fine if it didn't make the only damaging attacks supers. If you didn't have meter, you literally could not deal damage whatsoever.
>>738093164>make game with characters from different franchises>fail to adjust the artstyle so they all look like they belong in the same gameWhat were they thinking?
The problem was that the game had zero budget and the ones people would have loved like Crash or Spyro were super expensive to get.Sony should have supported the game more if they wanted it to be successful, or try again with a sequel that improves on the gameplay and other things.
>>738093164I have this game.I didn't play for more than 20 minutes.Don't even remember what it is like.
This >>738098230At the end of the day, if you want to compete with Smash you need to be willing to put in the money and talent into your ripoff that Nintendo puts into Smash themselves.
Are there even any mascot fighters beyond Smash that aren’t total shit?
This should've been a 3D party fighter like Power Stone.
>>738098230it doens't matter, they fucked up how you win in this game, that's worse than anything else. whatever budget they had, they could've still added the smash modes and save this game.
>>738098582All the decent stuff is indie.
>>738098582The current problem with mascot fighters isn’t that they’re bad, but that they’re not smash. Why would you wanna play discount smash when the real deal is right there?
>>738098582Multiversus was pretty fun before they pulled it and brought it back in a worse state.
>>738098582>Are there even any mascot fighters beyond Smash that aren’t total shit?Why do you say beyond Smash?
>>738099167That shit was crazy, I only ended up giving it a second chance because Jason and was astounded by the incompetence.
>>738098582All the good ones are indie, and nobody plays them because they don't have [insert Nintendo IP of choice] in it.Smash is successful due to branding, not being a good game. Otherwise Brawl would have killed the series.
>>738100062>Otherwise Brawl would have killed the series.Brawl was bad as a competitive game, but let's not pretend it wasn't a fantastic package overall. Subspace Emissary alone was worth the price.
>>738100370It's a bad game, anon, and it has nothing to do with competitive. The physics feel awful, the tripping is beyond annoying, and the way the game is designed simply encourages boring playstyles (all of which obviously gets even worse if you bring competitive into the argument). Subspace Emissary is nice for one playthrough, but it is held back by the game's physics and how most characters just don't feel good to play.People shit on Melee all the time but in that game the characters felt like they had weight and force behind their movement and attacks. You had to commit and it felt good to do so. Even 64 and Ultimate do this better than Brawl.
