Which company was better in their prime?
Capcom easily, not even a question really.
Konami
>>738101065This a joke? Konami has always been rather unremarkable besides Castlevania in the old era. And Metal Gear never truly became a big deal until the cinematic Solid series and I would argue those games didn't age well. Truly Capcom were the kings. Even now they are still the kings of variety despite their over reliance on Monster Hunter and Resident Evil.But not only that Capcom is able to deliver amusing little gems here and there like Demons Crest or Okami. Konami on the other hand? You wouldn't even get that. Konami even now is kind of a nothing developer they are a company famous for keeping itself alive through other divisions the only company worse than them in this field are Bandai Namco and Square Enix. Even if you don't want to admit it the truly most important gaming company that isn't Nintendo is Capcom.
>1980sKonami>1990sCapcom>2000sKonami>2010sCapcomThey were pretty even until Konami shat the bed after Kojima left but overall Capcom is more influential
>>738101065Konami had a lot of good arcade games
>>738101626doesn't count
Konami.
CapcomAnd capcom has been better the entire time
>>738101065>street fighter>resident evil>mega man>monster hunter >devil may cryit’s capcom and it’s not even close. konami hasn’t made anything worthwhile since the ps2 era
>>738101514>Konami has always been rather unremarkableAnon, while I believe Capcom is more influential overall, this is plain false. Konami were major players in the arcade scene back then and made substantial contributions to vidya in their own right, way before Kojimbo was ever relevant.
>>738101065If we’re talking the 90s, then Capcom by far was the best.
>>738101561The only influential thing Konami did for gaming is bring cinematic bullshit movie games as early as Metal Gear Solid. And additionally since Metal Gear is so cinematic it also brought along other annoyances like how the characters don't shut up during gameplay itself I really struggle in going through Metal Gear Solid 4 exactly because of this.Konami did influence gaming but its influence is rather terrible.
>>738101561>overall Capcom is more influentialThis, I even consider Capcom the 2nd Nintendo of the Gaming Industry.
>>738101887If only they'd finally cash in on Mega Man as a Mario competitor
>>738101514Square will outlive you.
>>738101838I disagree since Konami already had a major portfolio of games before anyone even heard of MGS. Also, the industry was always going to push cinematic stuff as seen with Half Life. Even Resident Evil at the time were by far Capcom's most cinematic 3D games.
>>738101887It's so funny when Crapcom shit eaters ignore this piece of shit that would have 100% influenced Crapcom to make more live service shit if it didn't flop.
Not enough people shit on Konami for going and basically abandoning their games and game dev for pachinkos and almost all game output died right after MGS5.
>>738102080I mean that's their entire reputation
>>738101561>2000s >KonamiWhat else did Konami have outside of MGS and Silent Hill during the 6th generation?
>>738102007Now post the actual stock prices for each
>>738101687it does, a lot
>>738102125Castlevania was still going strong with its GBA and DS entries
>>738102072good thing we don't live in your made up reality
>>738102080Look on the bright side they dodged most of the woke era of gaming. Sadly going by Silent Hill F now they are going woke.
Capcom BUT I would say that Konami were at the forefront of doing good narrative stuff in games. They did it way before anyone else in my opinion. If you compare the story of Metal Gear 2 on the MSX in 1990 to any games from around the same time its not even close and obviously the later MGS games as well. Then you have stuff like the Silent Hill games too. Konami was way ahead of anyone else in that regard.
>>738102250Tells you just how tired I am because I was only thinking about console games like a complete retard even though I like Aria of Sorrow
>>738102080Thats fair enough but that not what this thread is about. Its about the 80s and 90s and 00s.
>>738101514>has always been rather unremarkableSilent HillSnatcherSD SnatcherGradiusZone of the EndersContraRocket Knight/SparksterUsasMaze of GaliousGoemonSunset RidersMystic WarriorsTokimeki MemorialParodiusTwinbeeJackalSurvival KidsBucky O'HareAxelayAi Senshi Nicol Esper Dream 2Lagrange PointVendettaViolent StormKid DraculaBatman Returns (SNES)Gungageetc....And that's just stuff i like. Others will swear TMNT and Suikoden are amazing.
>>738101065You'd have to split them up in terms of markets and decades>arcadeCapcom no question. Konami had some big hits like Frogger, Gradius, and DDR. But Capcom basically dominates with Street Fighter alone. Also Final Fight is leagues better than TMNT, Xmen, etc. Konami's brawlers are seriously overrated.>consoleI'll give the edge to Konami, though Capcom still had big exclusive console franchises like RE and Mega Man, though I don't care for those franchises. Give me Castlevania, Metal Gear and Contra any day.>1980sKonami, easily. Between their work on NES and MSX, they ruled. I never cared for Mega Man, and the ports of their arcade games like GnG and 1942 were ass.>1990sThis is really tough. I'd say they were tied with MGS and RE being major titles for each.>2000sThis is when things start going bad for Konami even though MGS and Silent Hill were huge, and Castlevania was still going strong on GBA. Capcom though managed to keep itself alive thanks to DMC and Monster Hunter, and RE4 basically saved them as a whole, not to mention they had gems like Viewtiful Joe and Okami.>2010s-presentCapcom easily. Konami is just a shell of itself.So yeah, while I do have a preference for Konami, Capcom objectively wins.
>>738102263So crapcom did try to make live service slop and it completely flopped to shit, so now they just recycle their same 4 shitty IPs over and over.
>>738102557enjoy life more
>>738102356Interestingly enough I think Capcom is a company that’s well behind the curve on video game narrative. Resident Evil and DMC have always had retarded stories, their attempts to add story to Monster Hunter has largely been a failure, their one JRPG franchise has been dead over 20 years, etc…What’s interesting is that despite all of that Capcom characters, similarly to Nintendo characters, are very memorable and easily recognizable. Just goes to show you don’t need story to convey a character.
>>738102621Capcom like Nintendo is very much a gameplay first company. They still had strong artists however so their characters while not having much depth are still iconic thanks to great designs and music.
>enjoy li -ACK!
I've honestly been thinking about this a great deal because of Capcom's recent successes, and while MGS and Castlevania are my two favorite game franchises I just feel like the sheer volume of games I've enjoyed from Capcom over the decades has surpassed Konami. Even one-off titles or franchises that didn't quite make it like Viewtiful Joe or Onimusha are all fond to me. Beyond MGS / Castlevania I really don't have a strong attachment to Konami beyond casual enjoyment of Silent Hill 1-3.
>>738102465Wow a bunch of shmupslop literal who games played by troonsThere’s a reason CapGAWD never bothered with that dreck
>>738101065Is that even a question?Capcom made so many iconic games and still make somewhat decent games
>>738102621Capcom have always been turbo focused on gameplay. Story is always secondary to them. Didn't Mikami say he did the story for RE4 in like a week or something?
will Capcom get away with remaking every RE game in existence or do you think people will get fed up eventually? It wasn't that long ago when we were laughing at the possibility of a RE-REmake and now we're probably getting it in a few years.
>>738102621I would say Capcom are great at writing likeable characters but shit at writing the general stories of their games. Even Pragmata is like this. Hugh and Diana are great and very likeable but the general story is very bland and generic.
>>73810106570% of my favourite games came from old capcom They made big aaa to niche aa games
>>738102851They will because modern re fans are beyond braindead
>>738102879Gameplay matter more than story anyway
>>738101065sh1-4 is on par with re 1-4remakes wise, i dont know how capcom is still in business. SH2 remake is so much better than re 1-4 i feel insulted
Capcom has a much bigger variety of games that are good. Konami really only has Metal Gear and Castlevania and Silent Hill and even at that a lot of the Silent Hill games are bad and a lot of the Castlevania games are bad but the good ones are really good like SH1,2 and 3 and Castlevania SOTN and Aria of Sorrow. I would say about half the Metal Gear games are bad too but the other ones are really great.
>>738102851They will 100% get away with remaking CV, 0, 1 and 5. Anything else is suspect. Maybe the Revelations games or Outbreak.
>>738102508>Also Final Fight is leagues better than TMNT, Xmen, etc. Konami's brawlers are seriously overrated.It gets even worse if you use some of the Capcom beat em ups that came after. AvP and the D&D games are incredible.>Give me Castlevania, Metal Gear and Contra any day.The top end of those Konami franchises are at least competitive and often outright better than the top ends of Capcom franchises, but I think Capcom historically is much better at experimentation and maintaining an average quality across all their games. Like Mega Man Legends 1 and 2 are better than any of the 3D Castlevania games even if Symphony of the Night is better than *any* Mega Man game.
>>738102465Those are all faggot games
>>738101065Konami, by far
>>738102557Get some new material
>Get some new -ACK!
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>>738101065Konami had slightly higher highs, but they weren't as consistent. Capcom was more consistent and also good.I assume you mean the 90s and early 2000s, by the way.So my vote goes to Capcom.
>>738103534sex with suzi
Capcom was much more consistent at their peak. Konami was great but when they sucked, they suck.
>>738101887Capcom is better than Nintendo right now.
>>738101514Contra, Bomberman, and Gradius were here. You are retarded. And if we go slightly more modern, also Silent Hill.I do agree Capcom was better overall, but to say Konami was unremarkable except Castlevania is wrong.
>>738102080That's because you're a newfag. There was like a whole year or two where tons of people all over the internet were shitting on Konami left and right.
>>738103854I wouldn't attribute Bomberman with Konami.
>>738103014>SH2 remake is so much better than re 1-4 i feel insulted
>>738101065I like both companies when they actually try.
>>738102080Huh? The fuck you've been? People were joking about how who's fucked their IPs more: Konami or Sega
>>738102621capcom never care about story the ceo said it himself on an interview about why mhworld was such a success
Its annoying to judge because I don't really care for any of their actually popular series. But If I had to chose between Megaman and Rocket knight. I think I'd rather see another rocket knight game.
>>738101065CapGod era (roughly '89-'09) is an untouchable stretch. Even when they both fell off, Konami left the industry pretty much entirely and their comeback has been remakes, collections and outsourcing while Capcom's lowpoint WAS outsourcing and these days despite heavily reliance on a smaller number of core IP (and also doing remakes and collections) do put out good shit semi-regularly (Kunitsu-Gami & Pragmata especially, which is nice after MHWilds and DD2 underwhelmed me greatly).The only thing Konami far and away wins at is genres Capcom rarely/never touched like Stealth (MGS) or Shmups. Granted if someone said they think Castlevania is better than Mega Man on the whole I'd respect that. RE as a franchise even with its low points beats out SH though. Also Konami beat-em-ups are super overrated due to their presentation but beyond Turtles in Time and Violent Storm they're pretty mediocre while Capcom were the gods of the genre.
>>738102732I don't know how anyone can defend modern Capcom. From the RE demakes to how they've mishandled SF6 (no costumes after THREE YEARS because kys lol) I'm surprised anyone still pays for their garbage.
>>738102072I enjoyed this for the couple months I played it (each suit is fun to play and the amount of raptors they can fit onscreen at once is kind of crazy) but I do think it fizzling out instantly was for the best. Just wish there were solo or co-op PvE-only missions instead of everything being competitive matches that will occasionally put the teams together for a boss.
>>738103854They're also the grandpapas of arcade rhythm games.
>>738103854>BombermanThat's a Hudson franchise Konami inherited.
>>738103851Capcom is the best of all time. I know that that sounds like a loaded statement but from their contribution to arcade gaming as well and the forming of original influential titles like streetfigther, monster hunter, resident evil, vs series, megaman, zero, ghost and goblins, okami, devil may cry now pragmata the list goes on on and on and on. Capcom has made a gaming masterpeice in every gaming generation and almost every single home console since the NES. 64 maybe being the only exception.
>>738103950all re remakes are utter dogshit for one reason or another, go drown in yellow paint dunce
>>738103895I just can't believe this poster is real. Do he not remember the whole "FUCK KONAMI" memes of 2015-17?!
>>738104527People have been rightfully shitting on Konami for a good while. There's just a point in which you can't expend the effort anymore. Most people resigned that they're a pachinko company.
>>738104327You could count RE2 for N64 given it was a technical marvel in some respects and the game itself is a masterpiece, but it's ultimately a port.
prime Capcom churned out multiple genre-defining IPs that outlived all of the inferior clones they spawned
Konami hasn't put out a proper all-time great in roughly 20 years. Capcom did as recently as 2024 with Kunitsu-Gami.
>>738101065I like Capcom more but Megaman and Castlevania are the only franchises that I really love. I would to see these two getting more games and it seems like both are finally getting new releases with Belmont's Curse and Dual Override. Hopefully we get a lot more games.
>>738104879all time great is a bit of an over statement anon
>>738102072I honestly don’t know what they were thinking with this live service slop. It just felt like a “Haha fuck you” to franchises that weren’t Street Fighter, Resident Evil or Monster Hunter
>>738104943It wasn't a sales success but it's the best game they've made in over 15 years. Okami didn't sell well at all when it first launched either.
>>738102735Based Final Fight Guy!Don’t look at Haggar’s height, you might regret it.
>>738104978They said when they announced it that it was a way for junior staff on the Monster Hunter teams to get more experience and the ability to get creative. It was basically just training exercises that they tried to make money off of, hoping that maybe there was a chance they could recreate the situation that lead Nintendo to Splatoon (since that was also a team of junior staff given creative freedom on a PvP shooter).Pragmata is also a game mostly made by junior staff that worked on larger IPs (IIRC mostly RE & DMC).
>>738104879MGSV
>>738101065Capcom wins for the Vs series aloneShame how it died with Infinite in 2017…
>>738101065Capcom made Street Fighter which singlehandedly revived arcades and is part of the big three arcade games alongside Space Invaders and Pac-Man.
>>738105218The fact that FIFA overtook PES is a crime
>>738105218DDR was the last breath into western arcades.
>>738103034Komani used to have a wide array of franchises aside from the ones mentioned, pic absolutely related.
>>738102557this nigga really trying to use exoprimal lmao
>>738103034I loved this Tiny Toons game from Konami, I’m also aware of some Disney licensed games Capcom made with Mickey Mouse and Aladdin those were great too.
>>738105472I like this game a lot too, people underestimate licensed games a lot.
>>738101065>KONAMI VS CAPCOMWho should be in the roster??Konami>James Sunderland>Hinako>Pyramid Head>Hugo the Wolf>Jenny the Bat>Bomberman>Simon Belmont>Alucard>Solid Snake>Raiden>Goemon>Jehuty>Anubis>Vic ViperCapcom>Leon Kennedy (RE4, RE9 alt)>Jill Valentine (RE3, RE1 alt)>Mr. X>Ryu>Chun-Li>Mega Man>Tron Bonne>Demitri>Dante>Vergil>Hugh & Diana>Amaterasu>Monster Hunter (Rathalos set, Gore Magala set alt)>Fabius or Olivia>Nergigante (inb4 2big)
>>738103854Don’t mind me just posting a Konami hidden gem
>>738101065I don't think there's a single Konami game I enjoy. Both companies are equally cancerous.
I wonder when Capcom will port it to modern consoles. Doesn’t even need a translation necessarily. To hell with that shitty GBA port.
>>738101351>>738101412Can we all agree they both had iconic jingles for the SNES and Sega Genesis whenever you booted up a game.https://youtu.be/oCvpQKY0Ly4
I guess Konami by proxy of Bombergirl.
>>738106146>Gacha MOBA based on an IP they bought
>>738106224They both have some solid games in their prime years, but nothing I'd really consider to be personal favorites of mine.
>>738102465I'll take capcom's 8/16 bit line up over Konami's any day.Ghosts 'n GoblinsCommandoGun.Smoke1943: The Battle of MidwayBionic Commando Mickey Mousecapade Willow Strider DuckTales 1 and 2Sweet HomeChip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers 1 and 2Little Nemo: The Dream Master The Little MermaidDarkwing DuckGargoyle's Quest IIOh yeah and six Mega Man games and that's just the best of the nes library. Not to mention the four handheld Zelda games they made three of which are top tier or all the streetfighters or all MegaMan series spin-offs or all the other long lived capcom series like Monster hunter, dead rising, DMC and RE. Konami has MGS, SH, contra and castlevania and sure i guess they have shit like frogger, bomberman and a bunch of shoot em ups but those aren't series staying power.>>738101561>2000s>KonamiI'll agree with you on that and even early 2010s. It's more like 2005 to 2015, outside RE5 and the 8-bit retro MM sequels there wasn't much going on at capcom. Monster hunter wasn't a thing outside Japan and DMC was a PlayStation exclusive so I missed out tell dmc4. This is where I first started hearing people call them Crapcom.
>>738105669>Cancerous both are pretty low on the totem pole for “cancerous”
>>738101065Related question: What WAS the prime of each company?I'm generally going with Capcom on this question, but there IS a couple of areas where Konami is untouched, like with experimental arcade hardware, like all of Bemani, Police 911, or things with physical presense like Yu Gi Oh.
>>738107810Don't respond to them. Mahiro poster is a habitual shit stirrer. Managed to get ran out of /vrpg/.
>>738101838What do you mean influence gaming. They were there with some of the biggest shit all the way back in the Reagan administration.
>>738102080Konami had a dark time, but they were releasing plenty of shit....in Japanese only .
konami by far
>>738101065CAPGOD>Mega Man>Resident Evil>Okami>Devil May Cry>Street Fighter>Darkstalkers>God Hand>Viewtiful Joe>Onimusha>Monster HunterThe list goes fucking on, man...
>>738102621Considering where the curve is going I don't think this is a bad thing. Visual storytelling. Just a little idle animation on rokuman 1 makes a huge difference. And the artists they had in CPS2 era were close to untouchable.
>>738102851They'll run out of RE games obviously. But with Pragmata's success, maybe we're due for a new mega man legends in the engine.
>>738102080>not enough peopleit was one of the biggest stories of the 8th gen that still gets referenced, it's just a 10 year old controversy at this point as the horrors of time passage continue.
>>738103198>I think Capcom historically is much better at experimentationNot when it comes to arcade hardware.
>>738104204...because so many other companies, particularly in the west are charged shotting themselves in the nuts. Ubisoft? Bungie? Xbox? Blizzard? Half of Sony's output?
>>738101065Capcom's prime is right now, Konami's prime was in the late 2000's.
>>738104879Tell me why that game is great. >>738104687They've been making games in JP continuously.
>>738105536No Bill Rizer?
>>738105523>>738105472I have a soft spot for kind of dumb licensed anime games like the GBA/DS era Prince of Tennis. or gantz. Side question. What was Capcom's peak coomer game? I think for the big K it's Rumble roses.
>>738108887>Capcom's prime is right now
>>738105536Konami needs Twinbee, the contra dude, Goemon, and at least one Bemani Rep.
>>738109093Konami has been irrelevant for over a decade while Capcom already has two critically acclaimed hits this year.
>>738105597https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_E-CaBtH2Y>>738105669Out of curiousity, what the fuck do you like?>>738106224There's no fucking way you should attribute bombergirl to Hudson. And it's also pretty fucking obvious what anon loves there.
>>738109201Yeah but this isn't Prime Capcom
>>738101887>Not a single good gameGrim
>>738102080iirc Konami only started clawing their way back into vidya cause Japan passed new Pachinko laws lmao.
>>738104010>the ceo said it himself on an interview about why mhworld was such a successIf only Ryozo felt the same way and didn't double down on it for Wilds. Wilds is salvageable if they do some major course for the expansion but I expect them to be stubborn and continue to double down.
>>738102072least dejected snk fanboy
>>738101065Capcom used to be so prestigious to me back in the day they were like Pixar of videogames. The only thing I think Konami beat Capcom in is OST, and even that is a bit close.
>>738104879I get it was a new IP and shit but they really should have advertised Kunitsu more.
>>738109383>Out of curiousity, what the fuck do you likeFor Capcom I like their fighting games and CPS2 era stuff. Their other arcade games are kind of okay at best. I think the mega man IP aged like milk when they hit the gba era, don't care about their other console IPs. For Konami, I think their shmups are bad compared to Toaplan, Taito, Psikyo, and CAVE; I dont like the level design or gimmicks in their shmups at all. Their console stuff like MGS and SotN is just straight up movies and super casual/boring platformers.
>>738110420>Would want Capcom vs Square Enix>Capcom vs generic twinks that dress like they shop at hot topicImagine the mental state someone would have to be in to type all this out
>>738107217>It's more like 2005 to 2015, outside RE5 and the 8-bit retro MM sequels there wasn't much going on at capcom.MVC3 was good.
>>738107217I like those games, but Rocket Knight adventures is insanely good. You should try it.
>>738110668>Rocket Knight adventures is insanely goodlmao
>>738110734You just listed 6 edgy twink protagonists in a row, how is it possible to be this deluded?
>>738110420Square Enix are so out of touch, it's hilarious.
>>738101514I know other anons have called you out, but how can you seriously ignore some of their biggest hits like contra and gradius. Hell, even their tmnt games were huge back in the day
>>738110857Post 5 thrilling seconds of gradius gameplay
>>738110762T260 (Omega Body), Guella Ha, Noel, Boston, Mondo, Mido.
>>738110947So delusional it is, got it
>>738110978What ever you want to say.
>>738101065Capcom and it's not even close
>>738110883Gradius is a hell of a lot more thrilling than capcom's 1942
>>738109201>Konami has been irrelevantTheir game department revenue last year was almost twice as much as Capcom
>>7381112091943 and 19XX are both better than the gradius series and I don't even think Capcom is a good shmup dev.
>>738111378OK, now I just know you're full of shit. Explain what makes them better
>>738102080Because that's not what happened. You're just repeating the most normie take on the internet.Pachinko branch was quickly merged with arcade branch, since it wasn't making that much money. They focused on the Japanese market instead. This game, exclusive to Switch and Japan, outpaced and outsold the worldwide sales of MGS3 on PS2. Yet you never heard of it.
>>738111471Actually interesting routing, deadlier bullet patterns, more nuanced and strategic power up usage rather than a glorified build order. 19XX also has cool stuff like boss ranking and multipliers for stage destruction. Just all around more interesting games.
>>738108887>Konami's prime was in the late 2000's.Yeah, when they became the Kojima Company and practically drove out their old talent like Iga, and bought a bunch of Hudson IPs they just sat on aside from Bomberman.
>>738105523They also made a spinoff minigame collection too.
>>738101065>>738101065Did we ever finally found out why Koonami and Kojima split? Like the complete story?>>738111550I wish I knew Japanese or there was a partial english translation somewhere
>>738112353>Did we ever finally found out why Koonami and Kojima split? Like the complete story?No, I don't think so.Whatever it was, you can complain all you want about Kojima being perfectionist, wasting money on licensed and unused songs and traveling to Los Angeles every 2 weeks, but Konami is a genuinely evil company. And I don't mean stuff like lawful evil or chaotic neutral, Konami is chaotic evil who will stalk their former employees just to make they're not working in the video game industry. Konami actively prevented Kojima Productions from getting loan from the bank or from getting health insurance for KP employees.
>>738111550The bulk of Konami sales come from PES that is a giant money maker worldwide. It has strong japanese-only franchises like PowerPro and Momotaro Densetsu but they're not close to Metal Gear.
>>738104710Capcom didn't develop it.
>>738111328And Sega makes a bazillion on Pachislot. No one cares, they don't have anything. Silent Hill f is the only notable original title since MGSV.
>>738101065Konami may be ass now, but capcom are easily the most overrated devs now. They've been shitting out the same slop for years now and people somehow still praise them for it.
Real niggas know Konami was king of the arcades. Capcom established themselves with SF2 but truly came into their own with consoles.
>>738112996Have you seen the competition? The extent to which they're overrated is kind of irrelevant when they're still the best around along with FromSoft, who have also been doing the same thing for years now.
>>738113289>truly came into their own with consoles.Agreed, both commercially and artistically.
>>738101065stalemates
Its funny seeing people pretend to care about Konami beyond castlevania and metal slug
>>738113432>metal slug*metal gear
>>738113432Hello? Metal Gear Solid? Silent Hill?
>>738101065Strictly talking about the NES era here. I feel like Capcom were fantastic at action heavy platformers, but they weren't quite as versatile as Konami. Overall I liked capcom more but I can't deny that Konami had a significant impact on run n guns, beat em ups, shoot em ups, platformers, and sports.
>>738113432>>738113453It's funny seeing zoomers who don't know anything about Konami besides Metal Gear.
>>738113469>2 movie gamesYowza, I bet you're a real interesting person
>>738112996I would not say they are overrated, but they now appear to be the most competent of legacy Japanese publisher now. which is not a terribly high bar.
>>738113541Listen here, bozo, name more interesting Konami IPs other than Castlevania, MGS, and Silent Hill
>>738113289Konami had peaks with Frogger, Gradius, and their rhythm games, but come on, even before SF, Capcom had Commando, GnG, 1942, and Section Z. Capcom were second only to Namco and Sega in terms of popularity and revenue.
>>738113541(You)>>738113603>suikoden>zone of the enders>gradius>contra
>>738101065Konami is dead in the water today. Capcom has wonThey were both equally impressive, but capcom edged them out even in the 90s.What really broke my heart is to learn how miserable it was to work for konami. They just had really good toys to make games with that everyone tolerated to work there as long as they could.
>>738101065Most of the concepts that would be copied by kingsfield,RE4/deadspace, Doom, MegaMan, ninja gaiden etc... originated in Castlevania 1. Even though I think the guy is a bit cringe, egoraptor did a pretty good job explaining them in his castlevania sequelitis video.
>>738113689Zone of the Enders 2 is goatedSuikoden is weeb slopGradius and Contra are just arcade games designed to eat quarters
>>738105218>shit Ive never heard of earning billionshow
>>738113603There aren't any, that's my point. Konami may have pioneered some things, but they never expanded or got experimental with those ideas. So their great innovation was to make movie games and open ended platformers with rpg stats. Like people want to pretend to talk about their old stuff, but all they did was make gradius and twin bee over and over again without really changing much, make contra over and over again with changing anything, etc. Like these are not interesting games, they're the barebones skeleton of better games other companies would take the initiative make later. It's not much of an argument if someone decides they're a morbidly obese retard who likes silent hill and metal gear and tries to argue backwards that games they haven't played, or barely played, must be good because they like silent hill or whatever.
>>738113705>compared to theme parks and Disney style moviesI'll never understand why you faggots say this when in both cases Nintendo is just licensing out their IPs to veterans of the respective industries. Literally the only one "abandoning" gaming is Miyamoto, and he's an old fuck who barely did anything anymore anyway.
Ain't no capcom code. There is a konami code.
>>738113912>Konami fans are such shitters and casuals they had to add an infinite lives cheat:|
>>738113941>no Mega Man doesn't count.Okay retard
>>738113814>but all they did was make gradius and twin beeBecause Capcom rehashing Mega Man and Street Fighter countless times (to the point that SF died briefly) is so much better right? >they're the barebones skeleton of better gamesName them
Capcom has way more great games than Konami
>>738114048And now you ruined it
>>738101065Konami's best games reached higher peaks but overall Capcom has more consistently released ludokino.
>>738113939Yeah contra on nes was hard though. If I wasn't fucking up my boy jaime was and the normal amount of lives wasn't cutting it.
>>738113998Mega Man underwent multiple drastic changes, even within seperate series, like classic adding the slide and charge shot. Gradius, to this day, is the same exact power up order in every game, and the entire game being hard routing where you align options. Even the stages and bosses between games are pretty similiar. And obviously street fighter changes A LOT with each generation, it's not like Capcom decided to make SF1 over and over for 30 years.>Name themDude Taito went from Space Invaders to webm related
>>738101065>Silent Hill>Castlevania>Suikoden>all down the fucking drain
>>738112353It was never released in North America, but there's an "Asian Edition" released in Taiwan and Hong Kong that has a full English translation.
>>738114048This thread sucks ass, Capcom vs Konami is like a gorilla beating on a toddler with down syndrome. It's not even comparable.
>>738114150Mega Man starting with 3 was mostly the same game over and over with maybe a gimmick or two. It was the X series that really shook up the formula. And Street Fighter 2's countless iterations barely changed the formula established by the first release. >TaitoThey are the kings of schmups alongside Treasure and Cave but that doesn't make Gradius dull. Especially when things like Parodius exists
>738113941bad bait
>posts the most generic shmup shit ever
>>738114407>Mega Man starting with 3 was mostly the same game over and over with maybe a gimmick or twoMega Man 4 introduced the charge shot. 5-8 we enter a capsoge era. Capcom has eras of great innovation and then they spiral into a shit twister, or at least the used to, they just make slop now.
>>738114150>Dude Taito went from Space Invaders to webm relatedIn like 20 years. Take away Space Invaders and Taito's arcade legacy is really sad.
>>738114407>Especially when things like Parodius existsAlso parodius is just gradius with twin bre bells???? This is exactly what I'm talking about lol
Life or death scenario, who would you rather choose to buy up Capcom and Konami, Microsoft or Sony
>>738101065namco
>>738109383>Out of curiousity, what the fuck do you like?Here's his favorite games as of a year ago. Mostly RPGs, movie games, generic /v/ shit, and even a (mediocre) Konami game in the first row
>>738114492>Take away Space Invaders and Taito's arcade legacy is really sadTaito made bank before video games even existed, they just spent their time after the golden era doing cool shit and having fun. And yes Metal Black is a better game than Gradius.
>>738114557Microsoft, because I'm still mad about Deep Down so I don't fuck with Sony.
>>738114583I find it funny when the one schizo links this image over and over because you know you're gunna have a complete mental breakdown momentarily.
>>738113718I was disgusted to learn the creator of Castlevania got demoted to working in their game centers because Castlevania III didn't sell as well as whatever shitty TMNT game they had on NES.
>>738114528Jikyuu Oshaberi is great
>>738114715It's all the same exact game dude
>>738114583And its a projecting tranny. Every time.
>>738114751Innovation for the sake of it isn't always needed
>>738114751All Gradius games have more interesting gameplay than this webm where you just move and shoot >>738114150
>>738114703Konami was ruthless with their devs back then. They were geuninely terrible at building up their talent.
>>738114669>I find it funny when the one schizo links this image over and overYeah it's crazy how you spammed this garbage taste for so long thinking you were patrician
>>738114848Parodius isn't fun and it's the kinda thing you'd see some aging eceleb credit feed through in their top 10 hidden gems video while autistic heavy metal music plays.
>>738113941>Microsoft has Super Lucky's Tale, Blinx, Crash, Spyro, etcBlinx is only remembered by OG xbox uncs and Spryo/Crash have always been associated with Playstation even after Sony sold the rights to them.>And yet these two never did anything with this genre. Even Square Enix took their time and eventually made Balan Wonderworld.Nobody thinks Balan is a mascot for Square, retard.
>>738114893Okamoto (creator of Street Fighter) actually left Konami to join Capcom because it was that strict>>738114928Gradius' gameplay isn't a hidden gem at all
>>738114928You've only cleared games from /shmupg/'s begginer shmups list
>>738114669Why couldn't you name even 5 games before putting a Konami game
>>738115025Anon, only gradius 3 is hard unless we're going into additional loops. Every other Konami shmup I can clear in a day.
>>738115136but you haven't and never will
>>738115162I have and I help people play them whenever they ask. Obviously if it's a game I can beat in a day I don't talk about it, because I'd rather other people not talk about it as 4chan is always looking for the lowest effort games possible, doubly so if I don't like those games.
>>738114893Makes you wonder how Kojima rose through the ranks before MGS. Beforehand he was slumming it in the computer division with MSX and PC98 games. I wonder if MGS was a huge gamble, like if it failed he'd be demoted to toilet bowl cleaner.
>>738114484Charge shot was fine as the last big feature, Megaman didn't need more abilities and that's why Capcom doing major shakeups way back into NES. There's people that argue that charge shot shouldn't exist even. Most fangames just stick with slide and charge shot because it's already solid enough and the gameplay that everyone likes from Megaman.
>>738115384why Capcom stopped*
The best way to settle it is by comparing their top 10 series to each other>metal gear>castlevania>silent hill>suikoden>zone of the enders >gradius>contra>bomberman>bloody roar>ganbare goemon Vs>resident evil>street fighter>mega man>devil may cry>monster hunter>ace attorney>onimusha>ghosts n goblins>final fight>capcom vs
>>738115962Put BoF over Final Fight
>>738101838MGS's success owes a lot to FF7 paving the way for slow burn story telling in the normie space.
>>738114557*unzips fat cock* jesus dont shoot
>>738116263O-ok good, now stay there>*grabs your fat cock*I forget what i do next
>>738101065Capcom obviously. They pioneered and they excelled. Konami was a worthy rival but a lot of their stuff was second-rate.
#1 Capcom#2 Segabut who's #3
Side battleKonami off-shoot: TreasureCapcom off-shoot: PlatinumTreasure or Platinum?
>>738114583>>738115061good job exposing that troon but learn the difference between row and column retard
>>738116990Fromsoft or Ubisoft
>"yeah Konami games weren't popular lmao"
>>738119065It's either DDR was so big that they think DDR is it's own thing entirely, or they're fat fucks that are too afraid to get on the pad.
>>738101065Nothing can top thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaXV_tUCCtYNothing.
>>738101065Capcom is in their prime right now.Literally everything they put out is a multimillion seller with 85+ metacritic and mostly positive reviews on steam. Capcom is on the biggest streak of their entire career right now. Ever since REmake2 Capcom has been on their A game.
>>738119515Counterhttps://youtu.be/NImW-Rs8eK8?si=6doS6aC6xiLU0meP
>>738113742its all came ghost and goblincapgod owns everything keknami made
>>738119938*came from
>>738112792Why would you compare the sold units instead of profit to show which series is better for the company?
>>738119938You're all wrong, Zelda did it first
>>738115962PES was pretty big for Europeans. The franchise was probably selling more than MGS at its peak but Konami fucked it up and let EA take the lead
>>738115962Street Fighter, Mega Man, Castlevania and Monster Hunter are in my top 5 gaming franchises. So I guess Capcom wins by having more titles
>>738120165zelda came after ghost and goblinholy shit GodGod was untouchable
>>738101065Games I played from memoryCapcom>Mega Man X>Devil May Cry>Resident Evil>Street FighterKonami>Castlevania>Contra>Gradius >DDR>TMNTGee such an easy pick obviously Capcom it just happened early age Komami was really good but the second Capcom start pumping new ips, especially RE, Komani lost forever
>>738115962Here's a version based on global sales figuresKonami franchises by total global sales1. Pro Evoultion Soccer2. Metal Gear3. Castlevania4. Dance Dance Revolution5. Silent Hill6. Contra7. Suikoden8. Ganbare Goemon9. Gradius10. FroggerCapcom franchises by global sales1. Resident Evil 183M2. Monster Hunter 125M3. Street Fighter 58M4. Mega Man 44M5. Devil May Cry 38M6. Dead Rising 19M7. Dragon's Dogma 15M8. Ace Attorney 14M9. Vs. Capcom 13M10. Onimusha 9M
I don't think Wilds can be saved :(
>>738121390Resident Evil is the ultimate normie franchise lmao
>>738101065Not that Konami was bad (when they mattered) but Capcom was just always better and more successful.
