What's your excuse for not buying one?
were all these tests done while running the inputs through steam input?
I'm broke.
ROG Keris Wired is better
>>738130620xbox works just fine and doesn't need steam you worthless retarded turd
>>738130620Looks like the ROG Keris won actually.
>>738130620>Steam Controller Wonhow did it win you worthless retard? that's a latency graph that's the same as xbox. did you think that's owners you retarded pajeet?
Threadly reminder.
>>738130694>>738130794That's a mouse.
for me, it's the xbone controller
It has no Xinput. Yes, I know I can just launch non-steam games through steam and enable Steam Input, but I do not care. For $100 it should have Xinput.
>>738130620>What's your excuse for not buying one? I have no need of the track pads and gyro.
>>738130850what's lizard mode and bpm?
>>738130850Thanks for reminding me that I will be buying it.
>>738130850Now I have to feed my controller crickets? Thanks Gabe!
>>738130958no you will not pajeet you retarded turd
>>738130949>lizard modecontroller's default state when steam isn't open (it only sends rudimentary m+kb inputs)>bpmbig picture mode in steam
>>738130850if it works in steamos and bazshite it will work in every other distro too.you aren't going to play competitive anti-cheat shooters that require a windows drive with a controller anyway
>>738130949It means that the controller acts as a mouse and keyboard instead of a controller. It's a dumb name, but I guess they needed something marketable.
>>738131032>you aren't going to play competitive anti-cheat shooters that require a windows drive with a controller anywayyou are a retard pajeet
>>738130620>What's your excuse for not buying one?no reason to buy it over an xbone
>>738130620how did it win pajeet you disgusting retarded turd?
>>738131102True can you post a frag compilation where you play with a controller
I chose latency over drm.
>>738131234you are a retard pajeet
Why no comparisons to other popular controllers? Gabe paying him to hide the data?
>>738131459Gamer Nexus doesn't actually play games
>>738130620I have a keyboard and mouse
>>738131459Also no polling rate overclocking
>>738131503That's most tech youtubers. None of them ever have the time.
>>738130620>$100 bucks for track pads and paddles I'm never going to use because I'm not retarded enough to play FPS on controllersI just don't see the point
>>738131459graph shows it's not worth buying over xbone so that's good enough
>>738131746for a ~1ms difference?
>>738131459>He actually thought gaymer nexus weren't shillsthey are a shill channel, they shill for a living retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahsO5bhBUtkStill the gold standard for controller latency comparison. Wish he updated the list.
>>738131979Someone tell me that GN is just testing shit differently from everyone else again. Otherwise, holy shit the steam controller is bad.
>>738132373That video is 5 years old, "steam controller" refers to the original from 2015, although the new steam controller isn't a big improvement over the original in terms of latency.The TL;DR is that the best affordable low latency controller is an overclocked Dualsense
>>738132448Not that steam controller. The new one from OP and their new video.It being 4 times slower than a dual sense is a joke if true.
>>738130620My excuse is that Gaben hasn't FUCKING LET ME BUY IT YET YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>738132549Oh right, GN's test is different as it's a full end-to-end (i.e. display output lag is included) due to the way he tested them.
>>738132657So his test are utterly worthless since he doesn't bother using any comparisons, and everyone else only tests the actual device latency.
>>738130620What in the everloving fuck is this retarded dogshit comparison
>>738130620They all seem about the same. It's almost like the chips come out of the same factory.
>>738130620>.8ms difference from my SeXbox controllerWhat game would I ever play with a controller where that would matter?
>>738132735I wouldn't say his test is worthless, just a rather dumb and janky way to test them. The lack of additional controllers in his chart, and the limited sample data he bothered to take, are high questionable though.
>>738130620it's too big for my small girl hands
>>738132809It comes down to firmware, which i'm guessing Valve will win in the long-term because they actually care about being competitive.
>>738132916Steam input actually adds latency, native is better if supported
>>738133081I guess the reason Steam Controller 2 is not using Xbox or Playstation input it's because the trackpad needs to emulate the mouse and for that it needs to use Steam Input?
>>738133160No, since they could have sent data for the trackpads as raw HID with the standard inputs being sent as XInput or DirectInput (like how Playstation pads send gyro thru raw HID, with its standard controls sent as DirectInput). Alternatively, they could have opened a virtual port to send the trackpads as raw mouse input, or allow the user to swap between multi-mode operation.
>>738130620Wait, I have been playing with a generic Bluetooth controller on PC for years, does it really add that much latency? Over 100ms sometimes? Holy shit
>>738133280Yes. Bluetooth is a high latency connection unless you're using a low latency variant.
>>738133280bluetooth is usually the worst option, yeah.Especially if you have a lot of them near eachother.Prefer wired or some non-bluetooth dongle option.
>>738130620>pretends to care about controller input latency>turns on framegen
>>738130620only "tech" youtubers are retarded enough to graph SD that way
>>738130620>no chink controllers testedwaste of timecontrollers like the vader 5 pro have long since surpassed anything tested by dramanexus
>>738130620>Standard deviation is shown as its own separate bar on the graphWhat kind of idiot made this?
>>738130620>$100 pricetag>$200 from kike retailers>doesn't work without steamyou know why
>>738137228it works without Steam, but you'll be adding more input delayhttps://github.com/Alia5/SISR
>>738130620I don't have a Steam machine
>>738130850Russ already posted a follow up video stating he was wrong about the issues he found and completely wrong about how SISR works which does in fact make the controller fully function everywhere and even work over your network on remote devices (setup on main PC and use the controller to remotely control your livingroom PC): https://github.com/Alia5/SISR
Just don't buy an 8bitdo.Like I did.
>>738133280You didn't realize? I have one and I wouldn't trust it for anything other than a jarpig.
>>738137457What's wrong with it. I love my Ultimate C (2.4Ghz). Had it for almost 3 years now (3 years in July) and it is as good as the day I got it. Back buttons, hall effect sticks, wireless charging dock and I paid 25 bucks for it. It WILL be replaced by the Steam Controller when that arrives (have two in my cart ready for Monday) but until then it is awesome.
>>738130672Probably.
>>738130620wheres dualsense
>>738130620GABENGODS I KNEEL
>>738137437The chart already pointed out that SISR allows you to use the controller without Steam running.
>>738130672>>738137663It ONLY works with Steam Input out of the box. It's going to need third party drivers for none steam games. Steam Controller is an open source piece of hardware, but the fact is that someone is going to need to make drivers for it to work on none steam games. Games like GoG, Epic Game store and pirated stuff.
>>738137582They have shit quality control where three out of five controllers will be lemons one will be "fine" and the other will be a invicibrick that could survive a nuclear blast. The reason threads/reviews/etc are so split on if they are god tier or shit is for this reason, as long as -just barely- enough of the controllers they ship out create dickriders who will die fighting & defending 8bitdo because they lucked into a decent piece of hardware. Buying a peripheral should not be gambling and they are turbokikes for continuing this practice and the shills are mouth breathing retards who think it's okay to operate a business in this manner because you can just send them back for the warranty over and over until you get a good one lol chill out dude it's just a $70 controller XDDD
>>738130620ps4 and ps5 ones have 2ms latency over bluetooth.
>>738138446It doesn't need third party drivers to work for non-steam games. You just add the non-steam game to Steam and you get full steam input for any game. But if you insist on not adding it to steam you can use SISR to make it work. When I had Gamepass I just used UWPHook to add them to Steam to use Steam Input on my 8bitdo ultimate for mapping complex inputs. >>738138410The chart is wrong though even ignoring SISR, watch his new video.
>>738130850>i-it doesn't work with my pedophile console!!!!!!!k
>>738138651The chart is still accurate as there's still compromises you have to make
>>738138551>They have shit quality control where three out of five controllers will be lemons one will be "fine" and the other will be a invicibrick that could survive a nuclear blast. The reason threads/reviews/etc are so split on if they are god tier or shit is for this reason, as long as -just barely- enough of the controllers they ship out create dickriders who will die fighting & defending 8bitdo because they lucked into a decent piece of hardware. Buying a peripheral should not be gambling and they are turbokikes for continuing this practice and the shills are mouth breathing retards who think it's okay to operate a business in this manner because you can just send them back for the warranty over and over until you get a good one lol chill out dude it's just a $70 controller XDDDJust return it if it is bad? There is a reason amazon exists. When I used to suffer through the inferiority of Xbone controllers I'd just order a new one from Amajew and return my old one on the same order since they only survived for around 6 months before missed inputs developed. 8bitdo has a warranty though if you're a simp for Amajew for some reason.
>>738130620my 360 controller still works perfectly fine
>>738130850winblows btfo
>>738138694Ok don't watch the new video from Russ (the creator of the chart). Just be wrong, like a nigger.
>>738138773I have watched the new video already
>>738131065Not about marketing. It's supposed to be akin to "Lizard brain"
>>738138807>I have watched the new video alreadyAnd yet you are still retarded?
>>738138905What, specifically, do you take issue with in the chart?
>>738139078>What, specifically, do you take issue with in the chart?I'm not even the same anon who called you out already. Russ didn't know what he was doing. So those orange ones are actually green, for the controller going into some stupid mode when not in bpm, it doesn't, he corrected this as he was dumb. You said you watched the video. You didn't
>>738139310https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqU20G5-wKc&t=1610s
Damn, the chart still is correct after all...
gulikit es pro for 30 bucks looks pretty good if you just want a 360 pad with tmr sticksanybody have one?
>>738140095>Damn, the chart still is correct after all...It literally isn't? Bro do you have comprehension issues?
>>738141524See >>738139343
>>738137312why get that shit when I can get controllers that actually work outside of steam for like $30?you're a retard for buying into walled gardens
>>738141591Because none of those have the features the SC has.
>>738141559Yes that is the video where he had to correct his mistakes. Which part are you getting confused on? We are stuck in a loop here.Let's try this, what does that chart mean to you? Is it the orange parts that say the controller has less functionality when not in bpm? Ok great, because that is the thing he was wrong about. Do you understand?
>>738130620Too locked downToo expensiveNew features aren't compelling enough for price + DRM
Need to wait 23 more hours before I can order
>>738130620Do we have numbers on button / stick latency? Gamepadla has no results yet
>>738141591>SDL3 is designed to work on multiple platforms>Will work natively in retroarch in windows after a PR is merged>Walled gardenWeird how all these complaints never came up when you had to install Gamesaar or Sony software to use all the buttons on your controller on windows.
genuine question, what do you need latency THIS minimal to play? fighting games?Obviously low latency is just generally good but I struggle to think of games where anything this tight is even rewarded, much less necessary.
>>738141854You still need Steam to be running, the only detail he forgot about were chord controls and toggling to gamepad mode (you could also technically change the desktop profile default to use gamepad mode which he doesn't make clear in the video), but really this is just splitting hairs. The "Other Linux" part of the chart is way more misleading if we're being honest here.
>Literal valve shills itt
>>738130850>Bazz>I'd hit that
>>738142121Lower latency feels better to use and some are more sensitive to others, there's not really much more to it desu
>>738142173>anon discovers copypastas
>>738142204more sensitive to it than others*
>>738139343>Setup so complex it takes two long reviews just to scratch the surface
>>738142143>You still need Steam to be runningLiterally who the fuck cares. Bro you have Steam running RIGHT NOW it's literally running. You have it start up with windows. Just don't buy the controller lol
>>738142382>Bro you have Steam running RIGHT NOW it's literally running. You have it start up with windowsNo I don't
>>738142406>No I don'tThen don't buy the controller. I can see this topic is very important to you.
I don't use steam why would I buy this piece of shit it's not even a real windows-compatible controller, what I'm suppose to pay a retard tax and download drm for a fucking CONTROLLER?!PC gaming has fell so far if people think that kind of bullshit is even remotely acceptable.
>>738142467It worries me because of the implications of what they might do to the Frame, something I plan to buy day 1.
>>738130850Who came up with 'lizard mode', I can't buy this thing in good conscience now knowing I'll be supporting retardation
>>738142536I doubt it'll be compatible with anything, hell they might kill steamvr for windows when it comes out.
>>738142536the frame is basically just an SoC, no? Like the quest but using their ARM architecture instead of an existing snapdragon mobile chip. I think the frame is gonna be ludicrously priced because of how hard they've been panicking around the price of the cube, but still, it looks like hardware wise the frame should be okay.
>>738142536And what would that be? Nothing is being done at all. You have to use steam on the frame to play anything, that is where the games come from. If you mean using frame outside of playing games there will be tools for that just like here with the steam controller that you don't like. You can't have it both ways.>>738142504Why did you post in the thread then
>>738142682>>738142695I don't want the Frame to require Steam Link as the only way to do PCVR with it
>>738131158Sure there is.>TrackpadsYou KKKrackas aren't even trying anymore.
>>738142781Why?
>>738142781if it's truly using linux as a core there's no reason virtual desktop wouldn't work, same as how you can run other linux-based gaming platforms on the deck.
>>738142886because virtual desktop works a lot better
Steam controller failed the contra test
>>738142948>the wiggle the dpad around randomly with your hand gives random inputs testReal scientific man
>>738130620Too pricey. It's good value for its price, but I'm not paying more than 60$ for a controller.
>>738143042The test is simply>when holding down on the dpad, can you trigger left or right inputs?and it clearly failed
>>738142173>Ritualposters existHow new are you?
>>738142695Oh I'm so sorry I disrupted your marketing thread valve employee.Fuck you and your garbage project corpo swine I hope you all get fired when the fat bitch dies and venture capitalists take over.
>>738142695>Why did you post in the thread thenRead the fucking thread>What's your excuse for not buying one?>What's your excuse for not buying one?>What's your excuse for not buying one?>What's your excuse for not buying one?>What's your excuse for not buying one?>What's your excuse for not buying one?
>>738143246He's a shill and this is a thinly-veiled marketing thread
>>738138446>for none steam gamesOnly for Microsoft store games since they're not executables. Any standard piece of software can use steam input.
>>738138551You're assuming too much. This is the first I hear of this. I don't even doubt you, but it's not like I recommend it because I think it's fine to return it until I get a good one, I recommend it because the only one I have is the good one. Who the fuck buys multiple of the same controller to test out quality control consistency before saying whether they recommend the thing they bought or not?
>>738143295Sure thing man. guy that doesn't use steam yet uses /v/ on 4chan. Sure thing buddy. We totally believe you.
>>738143823?I do use steam
>>738142382>you have Steam running RIGHT NOW it's literally running. You have it start up with windows.Who the fuck has a bunch of crap starting with windows in the age of SSDs? You can boot up anything in a second, why would you want bloat you're not using running at all times?
>>738143952Ok, then this guy is who I was talking to. >>738142504>>738143997I know how computers function, bloat is a boomer ass word. Do you think installing games also slows down your computer? I use steam every day, and I have 64 GB or RAM so it's starts with Windows. you are dumb or a grandma
>>738143116Is that a bad thing? Makes motion inputs smooth in fighting games, no? Otherwise you'd need three separate presses for a fireball motion. Or am I misunderstanding the test?
>>738130620>What's your excuse for not buying one?It's not available yet
>>738144156>am I misunderstanding the test?It's some pointless made up thing, either way can be looked at as a failure
>>738144156A reviewer did both the "contra test", and a street fighter test, it didn't perform great at either.
>>738144156you have never played a fighting game and it shows
>>738144093I just like control over my computer. I don't want steam to launch until I tell it to. Always disable everything that isn't necessary from launching with windows. How is this not the standard?
I don't think I'll ever understand why the controller is mindbreaking so many jeets
>>738144254Zoomer projection, not a single person my age who plays videogames has never played a fighting game. They weren't some hidden gen at the arcade.
>>738130620I don't play with controllers. They're stupid.
>>738137437Welcome to /v/. That image will still be posted half a decade from now.
>>738142076>sony softwareyou can remap anything on a dualshock via 3rd party programs that aren't tied to a service moronlunix even has native support. write a configfile and you're done
the gamesaar pro g7 just werks
>>738130620It's too small.
My excuse is I'm not paid yet, and I'm not skilled enough to rob someone for money
Too many concessions (to retards) on the SC2. SC1 recognized that the right analog stick has absolutely zero value and proved that trackpads are objectively superior in every single way.>accuracy>speed>flexibilityIt's a good job I have 4 SC1s.
>>738130620The issue on the first steam controller was that the pads worked like rollerpads rather than allowing precise tracking by moving your thumb across the surface. This ruined it for me.
>>738149121>The issue on the first steam controller was that the pads worked like rollerpads rather than allowing precise tracking by moving your thumb across the surface.watyes it did
>>738144156No, it's not necessarily bad. Being able to change directions while crouching can be useful in certain games.>>738144228Quit making shit up. He said about Contra, "It feels perfectly fine, I'm not getting any accidental diagonals here." It's the same story with his Third Strike test, his response was positive. Did you really think you would get away with spreading bullshit about a video everyone already watched?It's at 7:05 https://youtu.be/n4MivhL4ruY?t=426
>>738149336You can SEE that it fails the contra test yet he acts like it's fine
looks like shitthats my excuse
>>738130620Why are the people who are literally not the target audience (non-Steam users running Windows) getting so fucking uppity and assblasted over the very thought of this controller? I don't fucking get it.
uh oh consolefag melty!
>>738149381The contra test is fucking retarded, and so are you. If I was using a controller that DIDN'T let me change direction while crouching, I would throw it away.
>>738149191I could be misremembering.
>>738149694>i don't get what the contra test is and now I'm mad!
>>738149121Did you literally forget to try to edit steam input?? Literally half of all people used it exactly as you are requesting.>>738143116I've never seen this test mentioned in controller debate til like a week ago. Sounds like its only for the most anal fighter players, who probably already have very specific fighter setups>>738148972Nah, not having a right stick was kinda a problem. At worst you have another input >>738142649Lizard mode is because all the steam input requires drivers (like anything) and windows and android refuse to have them natively. Lizard mode is a vompromy if drivers are refused, where if there's non, it uses backup dummy drivers that work on basically anything, but not as fancy >>738149501A controller could look like a fucking dunce cap but if it gave me a star trek holodeck i wouldn't care. Sc is like that to me
>>738130850>ROCKNIXWhy are you reporting on some obscure ARM based distro and not one used by more than 7 people?
>>738149793>and windows and android refuse to have them nativelyhas Valve attempted to give supply a driver?
>>738149745Stones from glass houses mate. You're the one desperately trying to stop from buying a product you don't like.
you DO have your cart preloaded.... right?
>>738149891>PLEASE don't warn people about this controller!
>>738144228why are people getting so mindbroken over a controller that they lie about it on basket weaving forums
>>738149971No
>>738150209>liehttps://youtu.be/n4MivhL4ruY?t=426
>>738150296bro that other guy even went as far as to quote the fucking video in this thread, what are you trying to pull. why does this controller make you so irrationally angry
>>738150296>"it's perfectly fine, I'm not getting any accidental diagonals here."Sounds like it passed
>>738150438>>738150475>"it's more sensitive than I would like..."
>>738130620because it's cheap chinese made shit? Like for 100 dollars you can get the same shitty chinese made shit too but in different logosI'll stick with my razer Wolverine
>>738150517>"it's perfectly fine"Sounds like it passed.
>>738149885Its literally native drivers in bazzite which is free open source code. What kinda fucking question is this??? ANYONE can use it if they want, YOU could use them if you want. And valve even handles drivers if steam is running, but that's not enough for you.>>738149891Its actually because I've literally never seen this before, and I suspect it was a niche af test only the most sweaty autistic fighter game dudes did, but now people bring it up just trying to make sc look bad when few people are that sweaty, and half controllers fail anyway. Not to mention that test is grossly unscientific.But I've never in all my life, even when carefully researching controllers and getting 8bitdo in 2023, heard of this fucking test, so its obviously very niche or new.
>>738150562>"I'm still missing some inputs here or there"
>>738150615>"it's perfectly fine"Sounds like it passed.
>>738150562>>738150475>>738150709bro is already mindbroken
This has never been more accurate
>>738142196Inferior genetic hair
>>738149793>Nah, not having a right stick was kinda a problem.Are you going to give a single reason why? >At worst you have another inputWrong, the SC2 trackpads are in worse positions than the SC1 making them worthless. Right analog sticks have absolutely zero value.
>same shitty dpad as the 'eckhard pass
>>738142231>>738143149>le funny ritual poster, ignore the daily shill threads promoting a fucking $100 controllerFuck off
>>738150579I've only heard of the specific term "Contra test" here since 2023, and from that one specific YouTuber. Unwanted diagonals as a general point of complaint is timeless.
>>738131723>I'm too retarded to understand this was built for playing fps on controller at same level as mouse and keyboard.Or at LEAST acknowledge gyro makes it mouse competitive if nothing else, ffs>>738151192>Are you going to give a single reason why?Twinstick shooters, they feel better on actual sticks imo.Also the pads are basically same as deck. I preferred the huge circle pads myself, but this is an acceptable compromise >>738151215You are the first person I've heard call the dpad on deck shit
^ shill
>this chart with info no one cares about, let alone notice when playing games, will definitely justify the $100 overpriced piece of garbage
>>738151368Maybe, but seems to me you basically can't even outdesign that. You EITHER, have buttons wider apart or separate entirely, preventing crossed inputs,, but making speed worse, or you have the dpad all one piece (like literally all dpads) tight together, and some missed inputs.Please show me a test where something flawlessly passes this "test", Because it sounds silly. Especially when you are franticly rubbing back and forth like an autistic caveman.
>>738151525>Twinstick shooters, they feel better on actual sticks imo.A correctly configured twinstick plays better on trackpads. >Also the pads are basically same as deck.Yeah, and they're both shaped and positioned terribly. >but this is an acceptable compromiseNo it's a downgrade and concession for retards
I'm too poor to even get a GPU let alone a controller on top of that.
>>738151892Whatever, i definitely find a proper stick better AT TIMES, and lack of another stick was a chief complaint of first scCould always buy an old sc and mod it.
>>738151338I also hate when people talk about gaming shit on the video game boards.A game controller? Really faggots? For video games? You want to talk about that shit HERE? Why don't they shit up /a/ with this nonsense.
>>738152080>and lack of another stick was a chief complaint of first scYeah I don't value the opinions of retards. I still haven't heard a single reason for right analogs to exist.
>>738151525>You are the first person I've heard call the dpad on deck shitNTA but it is pretty badSome games are straight up unplayable, like Tomb Raider Remastered
>>738152126Like I said, chief complaint.And because pad input for stick doesn't feel as nice, stick is more tactile.I mean you are asking why a stick feels better as stick than pad. Its obvious.>>738152462Literally never heard this, especially for something like tomb raider.
Now let’s compare it to a gamesaar. Uh oh………
>>738152516>Like I said, chief complaint.Yeah I don't value the opinions of retards who are incapable of adapting and configuring a trackpad. >And because pad input for stick doesn't feel as nice, stick is more tactile.Objectively wrong. Trackpads offer more control, flexibility, accuracy and speed. There isn't a single configuration that a right analog has demonstrated any value over a trackpad.
>>738152516If you can try it yourself, it has a deadzone that completely stops you as soon as you try moving diagonallyYou can find plenty of posts on the topic both on reddit and steam itselfhttps://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/1aqxkm2/is_anyone_having_issues_with_the_dpad_while/
>>738130620>What's your excuse for not buying one?My 15 year old wired xbox 3060 controller still works just fine.
>>738152649Why do they call it button latency, not end to end???>>738152836Gyro less controller in 2026? Ishygddt
>>738152649The gamers nexus graph in OP isn't measuring the same information in the same way. If there isn't anything off with their methodology it'd stand to reason that the Steam Controller is as fast or faster, but who knows.
>>738153036>>738152649>>738154000 This is exactly what I thought, sounds like gamesir is measuring PURELY from button to controller, where as sc is measuring from button to input hitting the GAME. RADICALLY different and of course button to game is longer.
>>738152649>>738154000>>738154205if the gamesir has 3ms lower latency than the xbone, then logically it'd beat the steam controller too.
>>738130850You don't need some tech illiterate to test every linux distro for compatibility lol.If your distro runs an up to date mainline kernel, it WILL work.If you run some obscure trimmed-down kernel made by retards, then there is a chance it won't work. But they could also just patch it, which they will after people call out their retardation publicly.
>>738154559Steam controller literally beat xbone controller by 3ms too. What is this argument???See op.
>>738154686steam input adds an extra 1ms delay
>>738154708can you show us the data?
>>738151886Can't be fucked to record, but two of my Dualsense pass it fully (but suck to input intentional diagonals with), and controllers like the Gulikit Elves 2 pass it in normal use but will fail with exaggerated effort. The latter case sounds like the Steam Controller's situation from the current popular video.
>>738154883>Can't be fucked to recordSo you have no proof
>>738154741too lazy
>>738154883>>738154934nta but the dualsense dpad is pretty stiff so I believe him
>>738130850>>738130923>>738131065So your options are:>Windows or linux: Either use the always online DRM that is the steam input layer or your controller is a brick.>SteamOS: Buy the non-existent goycube or use it on the steam deck which already has a fucking controller, or your controller is a brick.>Or use a specific flavor of meme distro that will likely be forgotten in a year like all other "gaming" distros before it.>>738137312>Or use third party hacky workarounds that add EVEN MORE LATENCY to an already atrocious latency piece of hardware.For a hundo dollaridoos.What a fucking joke of a company.If steam is already this dogshit so the lardass can buy more yacht companies I dread to think how bad it will be cwhen the fatso kicks the bucket and the company goes public.
>>738155083Yeah but it's good because it's Valve and we love Valve
The controller launches tomorrow. You don't have much time left for your doom posts. Try to bump up the rate, Timmy.
>>738154708And?? Anyone who's even thinking of sc is already using steam input anyway.I ask again, what is your argument??? That if you use an inferior controller with half the features, and refuse to use it with steam you get 1ms faster?*Slow clap* bravo. You beat sc by 1ms, which nobody can even notice.>>738154883>suck to input intentional diagonals withThis is my point. Its like the argument between lightweight and heavy duty tools. Neither is shit, it depends what you want. Want stronger robust af shit? Won't be light. Want feather light stuff? It won't be robust.At BEST this argument is preference, not objective problems.
>>738155186It'll sell out since it's a limited launch, but there will be some anons annoyed by its walled garden bs
>>738155083The option for linux is install the driver on linux from the official repo and it #justworks
>>738155257>there will be some anons annoyed by its walled garden bsThat's exactly the lie you will pretend you never said in the next few days. Eat your words and my dick, mate.
>>738155362tbqh, I won't be in these threads until the steam frame is announced anyway
>>738130850I'm already buying it you don't have to entice me further
>>738155410VR is a dead technology thoughbeitit's only used by groomers and trannies
>>738155539I want to get groomed
>>738155539only if you "play" vrchat. I play modded flat vidya
>>738144268>I use windows>I just like control over my computermake up your mind already
Steam Input would be based if it were open source already
>>738155637Windowssissies are in full melt down mode realizing their OS of choice isn't getting first class support anymore kek
>>738155685this, release the source and i might fork over the shekels for a controller
call me when linux gets a native genshin clientit's a dead OS until then
What was Valve saying about reducing latency to 100-500 microseconds? Is that only on Linux? And I thought it had a polling rate of 125 Hz or something like that... how would that help?
>>738155767Please stay away foreverIsn't there some Chink OS you can use?
>>738155685>Software performing small miracles should be open source so literally everyone else can steal it for commercial useLolI think steam is doing everything possible to make players able to use it anywhere, but NOT corporations
>>738155793where did they say that?
>>738155821I watched a video a while back where someone was claiming Valve said they reduced latency on the OS side to just hundreds of microseconds
>>738130620Were the other controllers tested through Steam Input as well? They use Xinput and Steam Input is unnecessary since it would go Xinput->Steam Input->Xinput
>>738155812>everyone else can steal it for commercial useWhy would anyone pay for it if it's already free?Your hypothetical doesn't make sense.
>>738155685>>738155750SDL
>>738155810dumb gweilo
>>738155924that has nothing to do with steam input, I want the steam input API to be open sourced
>>738155959No, you don't care about open source.You just want it for Windows, you deranged tranny.
>>738155912>PayYou miss the point, steam has been doing steam os stuff to break the strangle hold of windows. Now they are winning and you want them to give their shit to Microsoft so they can be even again, and continue toxic practices?? Fuck off, I hope everyone at Microsoft dies of aids
>>738156014>You just want it for Windows???Windows literally already has Steam Input
>>738156023based
Steam controller is worthless for me because I'll always be in arms reach of my mouse while I play games. Though I will be purchasing one so I have 2 controllers for the steam machine.
>>738156023>implying that's why I want open source steam input
>>738130620Because gayming will never be fun on a controller
>>738156038>Windows literally already has Steam InputYeah, on Steam kekFUCK it feel so incredibly great seeing windows trannies witnessing the fall of their garbage OS in real time
>>738156038Yes, through steam.Arguing open source for steam input is arguing windows can copy paste steam input, use it without steam, stroke their dick while saying how awesome they are for using such innovative stuff, and how steam os now has less on Microsoft, and then they can continue toxic practices and shitty slop ai crap.
>>738156014>>738156023SteamInput should be open sourced, I feel not only it is the right thing to do, but could also benefit Valve.The community could contribute to new functions, either directly or indirectly: Imagine if someone forks SteamInput to implement features from reWASD and JoyShockMappper, this could be added back to the original by Valve if it's deemed mature enough. Someone could fork it to add support for Keyboard and Mouse(as input), Fight sticks, Weird Controllers, Racing Wheels, etc..There could be forks with different things, better UI or something like that (really, I'm dying to see a Radial Menu that look like the one in MGSV). It would be even better if Valve implemented an option to change which Controller Configurator to be used, like how you can use Proton-GE and choose it from inside steam.
>>738155707Ironic when everything valve does is closed source.The only thing that isn't is proton and not only it's still a barely usable mess, it's not even really done by valve directly.You somehow have more control over windows because you can easily patch out the spyware bits than you bdo under the steam ecosystem.
>NOOOO SAR VALVE MUST REDEEM CONTROLLER OUTSIDE STEAM SO BEST OS Windows™ CAN BE MAKING USE OF IT!!!!lmao
>>738156292Steam Input != Steam Controller driversYou fucking retard
>>738156206>Steam Input>Yeah, on Steam kek...you don't say?
>>738156280>Ironic when everything valve does is closed source.Proton, DXVK, VKD3D, Fex, Lepton. All just of the top of my head. All open source. All financed and supported by Valve.Do you have any more of your lies, Timmy?
>>738156325That's the point, people are seething because Valve are depending their hardware on their own software (Steam Input).When literally no other company gets shit for doing this.
>>738156407What other company does that?
>>738156206>A single gimmick controller that costs $100 usd is the downfall of windows.Nigga people are not complaining because of the compatibility (though some are), people like me are complaining because valve took their sweet time to make a dogshit overpriced controller with always online DRM.Such atrocious delay is straight up not acceptable regardless of the platform compatibilities, neither is that fucking price.You can buy two dualshock4s for that price and have better performance (and better button layouts) for that price, better compatibility and customization WITHOUT ALWAYS ONLINE DRM thanks to DS4windows as well.And that's first party shit, chinkoid disposable controllers are even cheaper and somehow have better latency too despite being generic BT shit.
>>738156274>The community could contribute to new functions, either directly or indirectlLike flickstick? Oh wait Literally my only complaint is edge scroll doesn't trigger if you start touch on edge. That's literally my only complaint for steam input.>>738156325Then explain how bazzite, open source software has it. If what you are saying is true, its literally already open source and you are too stupid to realize
>>738156459Steam Input is not open source anywhere (not even for Linux), but the Steam Controller's driver is. How hard is that to understand?
>>738155959>I want the steam input API to be open sourcedAsk your daddy Microsoft to open source xinput first and remove any license requirements first would you?
>>738156536xinput is deprecated anyway
>>738156439Nintendo's reissued GCN controllers required you buy separate hardware (ideally theirs), to use on PCDualshocks infamously require separate software to run on PC.Why don't Nintendo or Sony get shit for not natively supporting PC?
>>738156453>with always online DRM.You have around 24 more hours to peddle these lies.Make good use of them
>>738156568>Dualshocks infamously require separate software to run on PC.Technically not true, Dualshocks are DirectInput native. So are Nintendo's modern controllers.
>>738156186Roboquest is the only version of this type of game I enjoyed. Surprisingly good mechanics.
>>738156453>always online DRMLiterally untrue, both online part and drm part. Windows and Android are too lazy to include driver's which are public.>>738156517Yes exactly Steam input is NOT the drivers. Steam controller driver's are public, steam input is proprietary
>>738130620I had to buy new car parts instead of toys.
>>738156715Reminder to brokies, donating plasma 2 or 3 times will buy a steam controller
>>738156643>Technically not true, Dualshocks are DirectInput nativeBullshit.I tried to play some Ubislop garbage with a Dualsense controller. Didn't work. At all.Then I started the game through Steam as a third party game. Worked without any problems.
>>738156715sorry bro, i couldn't pass up stealing that catalytic converter of yours
>>738156781>I tried to play some Ubislop garbage with a Dualsense controller. Didn't work. At all.Because most gamedevs don't bother supporting DirectInput themselves (although some games do put the effort in); DirectInput is an even older standard than XInput.
>>738155257to be honest, iirc, lunix lets you remap stuffand sisr exists outside of windows$100 is still too big of an ask, though
always online drm aside i find it funny people shat their pants over nintendo having the pro 2 controller be at 90 bucks because it was oh so expensive and no controller should be that expensive regardless of the featuresand then people instantly backpedal and defend a brick being sold at you for a hundred bucks
>>738130620I don't need one.
>>738156820>Because most gamedevs don't bother supporting DirectInput themselves (although some games do put the effort in);well maybe windows should bother to support steam controller drivers themselves
>>738156938valve would have to make one for windows first
>>738156894Its really not , it's marginally more than any respectable controller and less than overpriced "elites">>738156894Its not always online, and its not drm. Its literally drivers. Bazzite has drivers and its open source, windows could have these drivers TODAY but refuse to update to add them
>>738156909Switch controller is a POS with garbage sticks that will drift after 2 months.Steam controller uses TMR, provides a wireless puck, has trackpads and great repairability.These 2 controllers aren't even remotely comparable.
>>738156909I bought the deck and it was easily worth the money, so the controller will be as well.When a company is hungry they usually make great stuff, so you gotta capitalize on Valve temporarily caring about drawing more people onto steam.
>>738156909it's ok when valve does it
>>738156909I bought the $90 Pro Controller 2, the Steam Controller has a lot more features for the price and is easily repairable in comparison so the $100 controller is a better value. That being said, the SC seems rather pointless to me because the features are mostly for couch gameplay and I'm not interested in using a controller for games better with a mouse to begin with. Plus if I want to run games through Steam, I can use the Pro Controller 2 which also works on my Switch 2. I guess that's the big thing about the first party controllers, they all double as working on your PC and the console they're for if you're an idort. Shit, the Pro Controller 2 even works on Android, I tested it with that shitty new Dissidia game when it came out.
>>738156909could you post a picture of your hand with my post number written on a piece of paper next to it?
>>738156957Windows can make one if it's so great HAHAHA
>>738130620>LDAT Click-To-Photon System LatencyWhat does a person who cares about this shit look like?
>>738157153How else do you expect to measure latency???
>>738156957>t. doesn't know how windows drivers get added
>>738157176>How else do you expect to measure latency???Just read and repeat chinkshit speccsheets
>>738130850Not working on emulators is a huge deal breaker. This really is just for valve goy cattle.
>>738157342>goy cattlemy guy, you're using windowshumble yourself
>>738157342>Not working on emulators is a huge deal breaker.https://store.steampowered.com/app/1118310/RetroArch/
>>738157342Run the emulators through Steam and it's fine, HOWEVER, you should be using replica controllers for your emulators if you want a truly kino experience. Or at the very least, a DS4 or DS5 if you're emulating PS1-PS3.
>>738157096Trackpads are better than sticks, so you can have a nicer midway between mouse and controller, with the comfort of a controller.Really, all of this is just beta testing though, so they can polish up the experience for the GabeCube
>>738157495>Trackpads are better than sticksNTA but I prefer gyro
>>738157270Just trust if they lie or embellish huh?>>738157473Who actually buys replica controllers for every emulated system??? If you have that kind of money you better have like 6 kids>>738157495Trackpads are literally THE MOST VERSATILE things on steam controller
>>738157681>pro steam controller anon is a poorfagwhy am I not at all surprised
>>738157016>Switch controller is a POS with garbage sticks that will drift after 2 months.People would be milking this for all it's worth on jewtube if it were true, just like how they milked the switch 1 joycon issues.Yet there's nothing, proving it's not event true lol.>Steam controller uses TMR, Meme effect is a scam and bad HE sticks drift or break just as often as shit pots.You are falling for a literal marketing stunt.>provides a wireless puck, Literally mandatory baseline for even cheapo chinkoid controllers.I even see them on disposable mice and keyboards you get for free with other shit.And given from the latency, valve couldn't even be fucked to get a good one either, it's worse than said disposable kb+m ones.>has trackpads A literal meme when its only useful for shooters, which are better with either gyro or straight up using a mouse.>and great repairabilityHeavily debatable, I will remind you the sticks are soldered in, which is a massive red flag for repairability.If they can't even be fucked to get a good wireless module, how can I trust they didn't cheap out on the sticks as well?
>>738130620i already own a gamesaaaaar and i'm happy with it for the time being
>>738157473>Just run it through the datamining always online DRM goy.And you call others goycattle?
>>738158030windows?
>>738157960How much do you get paid for a post like this?
>>738158030t. posted from chromium/firefox on 4chan.org, on my windows machine
>>738157581steam controller has all 3
>>738158125you don't need more than gyro
>>738149971teach me your secrets
>>738157581Pads and gyro combination is fucking kino>>738157923Its not even poor, just grossly wasteful. Imagine 40$ per controller, for nes, snes, n64, Saturn, Atari, ps1, ps2, ps3, ps4, ps5, xbox, xbox 360, xbox one ... 400 dollars or so compared to 100??? Why>>738158169I couldn't fucking dream of playing half the shit in steam deck I do without pads. Fallout nv i can access literally every single obscure bind immediately
i also like how after a decade of complaining about being FORCED and REFUSING the HUMILIATION RITUAL of using external launchers like uplay or whatever the fuck, steamgoyim are perfectly happy telling people to just run everything through an external always online DRM launcherthe PCMR really is a fucking joke, glad i didn't fall for the meme and just bought a switch, the money i was saving for a gpu upgrade when the rampocalypse slowed down is also just switch 2 oled funds
>>738157681>Who actually buys replica controllers for every emulated systemA single Playstation controller covers PS1-PS3, their designs barely changed. A Saturn replica covers Genesis too. NES really isn't worth emulating so it's just SNES, Gamecube,and maybe N64 but there's barely any N64 games worth playing. If you want to emulate Xbox then there's fat replicas but you could use a 360 controller(or even one of the newer Xbox ones since the designs haven't changed too much from the 360). Using a 360 controller for a SNES game is lame though.
>>738158169>you don't need more than gyrocorrect. i WANT more than gyro. so much so that i'll pay $100 for it.
>>738149971HOW
>>738158273Why didn't you buy a steam deck already?
>>738158259Works natively on Steam, Windowscuck
>>738157473The best part of playing on emulator instead of console is not being stuck with the original controllers
>>738158301>Why didn't you buy a steam deck already?because i already have a much better computer
Why wouldn't I just buy an ES Pro that has everything the steam one has except the touchpads and extra buttons + no drm cuckoldry for only 30$??
>>738158259>switchevery single time it's always fucking tendies>forced ecosystem, Valve >.<>forced ecosystem, Nintendo :DDD
>>738156439Literally Microsoft with Xinput retard
>>738158409Why don't you have a handheld PC?
>>738158415I was thinking about it, but reviews say build quality is average at best.Do you have one?
>>738158415haptic trackpads are kino, and will make regular sticks feel like a downgrade
>>738130850There is literally no competitor for steam input. I already always run everything with it including non-steam games so there is no scenario where the steam controller won't work for me.
>>738158415>xbox layoutit's shit
>>738158445XInput is just a driver, it's the game developers that choose to require it.
>>738158494I run snapchat through Steam
>>738158263I mean that sounds a little more reasonable, but that's still just not even worth the money or shelf space to me
>>738158457because i don't need one. i only play vidya at home, and my home setup allows me to play on the couch using my 72 inch HDR screen no problem.
>>738158518>XInput is just a driverPlease stop talking about shit you don't understand
>>738158506Nobody has ever said this unless they have tranny hands.
>>738158594It is literally a native driver my guy
>>738156186tihs game is unironically best played in vr with vr motion controls
>>738158415The grip sensors are a pretty underrated feature, this example is pretty cool:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqU20G5-wKc&t=976s
>>738158631whatever you say, fatty
>>738158468Nigga most reviewers said the the SC feels like cheap plastic and not premium at all. Imagine paying 100 bucks and not even having a COMFY controller. Not to mention the holes in the back that will start cutting into your middle fingers after prolonged usage. Garbage ass
>>738158760Grip sense is a significantly more useful feature than the meme trackpads
>>738158651>Native driver>Ignoring the fact that it's native to Windows, an OS known for requiring user accounts and spying on youLiterally every fucking argument against the SC boils down to gargling Microjeets balls because it doesn't support Windows out of the fucking box on day 1.
>>738158834Who are "most reviews"? The controller looks to be just modified Deck parts, and the Deck feels quite nice to hold.
just get a keyboard and a mouse bro
>>738158415Every button on my Elves 2 started double clicking last week. I don't know if that's a common problem with the brand but it's killed my remaining goodwill. If ES uses the same gyro as Elves 2 then it's an unusable pile of shit too.Cheapest controllers with functional gyro are Gamesir Cyclone 2 and 8Bitdo Ultimate 2. If you don't care about anything but the basics, Gamesir Nova 2 Lite or 8Bitdo Ultimate 2C Wireless.
>>738158834"Feels cheap". Its literally the same plastic as steam deck or basically all controllers. Abs plastic.They also never said why it feels cheap, its a completely unsubstantiatable and subjective statement, i can say a gold brick "feels cheap"
>>738159137I mean, abs plastic IS cheap
>>738159176What are the alternatives that other controllers you can buy right now use?
>>738159176So xbox, ps5, and gamesir are ALSO cheap
>>738131065>It means that the controller acts as a mouse and keyboard instead of a controllerWhy the fuck does it fallback to that instead of presenting itself as a standard XInput/DirectInput controller plus a mouse for the trackpads?
>>738159243>>738159267dualsense is high quality teflon
>>738158415No one is stopping you. Nobody is trying to convince you to buy the SC. People are just dispelling misinformation being spread around by low-IQ faggots who don't know how computers work.
>>738158324>Works natively on the always online DRM OS, and it's fine because it's valve.You will own noth8ing and be happy indeed.Don't be surprised when the fatso croaks and your controller starts asking you for a subscription.
>>738159380Are you gonna seethe and make me dig deeper?
>>738159409>He thinks Steam is an OS
>>738130620i already have a ps5 and xbox controller i really dont need another one that only works on my linux boxes
>>738159496is that chat gpt?
>>738130620Can't use it on my MiSTer and if I wanted to use Deck controls on my main PC I would just use the Deck
>>738159641whatever google uses
>>738158434At least steamgoyim are now admitting steam is a forced closed garden lol, guess it's impossible to pretend otherwise now that you are happily taking hardware DRM up the ass.
>>738159703Valve will probably open it up in the future, or atleast not sue people for providing alternatives :^)
>>738159006>because it doesn't support Windows out of the fucking box on day 1.Day -1
>>738159696gemini's AI is pretty bad, but also I made it the fuck up anyway. I have absolutely no clue what plastic any of my controllers use. The switch pro's feels the nicest in the hand tho (shame about its dpad and poor input latency)
>>738159703>At least steamgoyim are now admitting steam is a forced closed garden lol,???valve wants adoption of open standardsmicrosoft standards are in fact all proprietarydid you think your mom was evil and hated you because she refused to feed you candy and snacks because she cared more about your long term health than short term happiness?
>>738158457A switch 2 is cheaper than one while having everything I could possibly want to play and then some like lover kiss which steam banned but released without issues on the switch.
>>738138446It'll work out of the box on Linux.
why are tendies seething over a controller again?Because Nintendo are no longer special for having Gyro?
>>738159969sixaxis did it first
>>738159496Its fucking funny how they flipflop like a politician caught between a sex scandal involving a drag show with meth laced penis pumps, and federal charges for gun running hundreds of thousands of guns.Can't even stick to 1 point for a minute, they call abs cheap, and as soon as you point out everything uses it, they cope.>>738159703"Drm" is literally just fucking drivers. Bazzite is open source , and has it. Which means the drivers are free too. Windows and Android could install them in an os update TODAY but don't.
>>738159513But... SteamOS?
>>738159969The PS3 had gyro, gyro hasn't been special since longer than most of /v/ has been alive.
>>738159703>forced closedthere are two reasons it's not supported on windows at the kernel level:1. valve doesn't want to pay microsoft to have the drivers on the kernel (which they don't need to because it works directly with their software on windows)2. valve has already submitted their drivers to microsoft for review and it won't be through the process before the controller is released.1 is a nonargument considering all of you faggots claim its linux's fault SOME of the modern EAC games aren't linux compatible. because they don't offer a solution on linux whatsoever.
>A product targeted at Steam users>I'm not a Steam user, therefore this product is shit ????
>>738160030>since longer than most of /v/ has been alive.Fucking hell I feel old reading this
>>738160030Gameboy Color had gyro for one game
not supporting windows is based2026 is literally the year of the linux desktop
>>738160193oh true, it was sort of emulated gyro though
>>738160193Hell yeah, Kirby Tilt n Tumble.
>>738160187The PS3 turns 20 years old this year...
>>738160226It will be surreal when a stupid mini-pc takes over the "console" market, and people cry about Valve being a monopoly on pc and consoles lmao
>won>longest on the graph for latency it lost retard you are not even trying ti hide it look at that bottom line and just fucking buy a xbox controller like a fucking normal person
>>738160340>The PS3 turns 20 years old this year...
>>738160340>still has no games
>>738160030All the more funny xbox doesn't have it.
>>738160430>bottom lineah yes, normal people use 8 bluetooth controllers at the same timedid you read what the line was for?
>>738160430why would anyone use BT with it?
>>738160510it fuckign says fucking steam controller right on it that means the steam controller FAILED just buy an xbox controller TMR sticks should be banned anyway since the skinny clown doesnt know how they workLOSER
>>738160645sar, take a sip of your cow juice and calm down
a computer mouse won, actually
>>738160463The best no gaem station ever desu. The PS5/Series X/S are the real no game(exclusives) systems with a few at best so far
>>738160746Apparently the 360 controller is still the best for PCfags. I never owned a 360 but everyone liked it 20 years ago.
>>738131459Gamers nexus spent like four years insisting 8gb of vram was not enough for modern games then glazed the shit out of the steam machine with its 8gb of vram. Its a shill channel.
>>738160825Too lazy to check but aren't 9th gen systems using 12+?
>>738160796I wouldn't say so, the xbone pad was better (for PC specifically) and that was mostly for compatibility, but the overall best depends on what games you play most often. If you play a lot of games on PC you will need multiple controllers anyway.
>>738160825to play double's advocate, the steam machine 1 was never about playing AAA games, nor is the Cube
>>7381608258gb of vram is indeed fine on Linux
>>738160743i prefer fapping to a video of hayley williams dance exersizing to her own music
>>738160909>double's advocate
>>738160909what can i say, it's a doggy-dog world out there
>>738160645Brown hands something something post. You really think 8 Bluetooth xbox controllers would be faster? Just use the damn puckIn what actual situation would you need 8 controllers but can't use the puck???>>738160796No gyro. Trash>>738161020These are some good jokes, delicious, bone apple teeth
>>738131459They're not sending them to any actual based controller reviewers like VK's channel, vCuda, Gamer Heaven, Game Tech Talk, Frame Counting, etc.
i can't believe how conflicted i am about buying this or not lmao. my brain says i don't need it because the track pads won't do shit when i'll play tons of games with a mouse still but the customability of the controller seems neat and i'd like a controller that will last for a long ass time. but i guess all the extra sensors it has are points of failure too.
>>738160876Of all the controllers i've used as a console user, my favs were DS1, DS2 and DS3 which is practically the same. SNES was great but it was the baseline for pre sticks DS1. >>738161119>GyroGimmick just like wigglin wagglan, never used or cared about.
You dont need anything beyond thatYou think you do, but you dont
>>738161309SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIR
>>738161205I didn't like the DS3 specifically. It felt cheap, like they used a cheaper plastic or something that seemed thinner (even slightly translucent which I don't think was intentional). I like DS2 the most from the playstation side, OG xbox "s" from the xbox side, and wii u pro from the nintendo side
>>738161205>Never used it for light gun type shooting in a game, or laser pointer for menusLol
>>738161309i wopuld rather die than use a controller from a company named "gamesir"
>>738161379Yeah the DS3 was very filmsy but that thing lasted me years during my NEET years so i no lifed vidya at that time.>>738161443Sticks do the same job so whatever i guess or just plug a mouse.
>>738161517normie filtered
>>738161517I remember the Chinese boogeyman a few years before those cow dung people.In 5 years it'll be the Saudis or something, just fucking wait.
>>738161309Have the T4 Kaleid which is really nice in spite of how ugly it is. Not the most accurate sticks thoughbeit.G7 Pro on the other hand was overpriced, over engineered, creaky dogshit. The default circular d-pad doesn't even fit with the faceplate and rubs against it.
>>738161379>It felt cheapthe plastic on the outside was nice and rugged but yeah, the electronics were all printed on a thin piece of plastic that was held against the buttons through it being bent (instead of being fastened)
>>738161536>or just plug a mouse.Shouldn't that be a gimmick too? It does the same job as sticks and functions by measuring relative motion similar to gyro.
>>738161628saudis atleast stay in their desert
>>738160825>Gamers nexus spent like four years insisting 8gb of vram was not enough for modern games**on WindowsSteam Machine runs SteamOS
>>738161536>Sticks do the same jobYou literally CANNOT have the same control and precision of gyro on stick Not even a skill issue, you LITERALLY cannot https://youtu.be/GzbZq4OjEwE?https://youtu.be/bmM5yPUSUvw?
>>738161667M&K is default on PC.>>738161714Can't argue against that but once oil pits dries up, they'll buy anything they can get their hands on.
>>738130620I already have a gamepad.
>>738161929Are you paid to promote gyro because i've seen (You) a few years ago here posting these videos.Here's the thing, wigglin wagglan was popular in 2007-2010, it's not anyone. If you can't use a mouse or a controller and need another gadget to play cool, just don't think other people will use it because they can headshot bots slightly faster after 500+ practice hours.
>>738162067>M&K is default on PC.Why does that matter? Does that mean controllers are the gimmick if you use them on PC since they do the same job as a mouse? If I play a game like Splatoon where gyro is the default method the stick becomes a gimmick since it does the same job as gyro? If everything is a gimmick, then there isn't really anything wrong with being a gimmick.
>>738162337>SplatoonThat's a game on the Nintendo for children, dude, not a literal sweatfest for grown men. Just go play CS against sweats in comp where they'll hire wall hack you or outskill you with map knowledge and positioning.
>>738162323>Thinks there's shills from BIG GYRO >THINKS I'm someone from years ago, he actually committed this to memory >"Gyro is just wii waggling, it can't detect anything but sudden movements right??" Despite video evidence otherwiseReminder that people have beaten top mouse scores in aimlab with gyro.
>>738162465I'm getting lost. Are children or sweats the gimmick now or is this just a random tangent because you can't explain your opinion?
>>738162575>Aimlab Not even a videogame lmao wtf. >>738162607Just stop embarrassing yourself and stop posting in these threads. Nobody gives a fuck about gyro, not even the official controller makers use it as a selling point.
>>738162607He's just fishing for any excuse slightly more durable than a sand castle in a tsunami lol.Splatoon is childish, but its gyro shit is ABSOLUTELY on point.
>>738160825Disingenuous. GN was clear that given the fact that the OS and the hardware is all 1st party, the overhead for VRAM isn't as high as a Windows machine that could have a massive range of hardware configurations.
>>738162705>Not even a videogame lmao wtf.Its literally used to MEASURE aim performance specifically. Its as close as you get to scientifically test what method aims bestAlso ps5 sold well BECAUSE it has gyro, nobody buys xbox for pc because no gyro
YOU WILL OWN NOTHINGAND YOU WILL bE HAPPYINSTALL THE APPLE 2.0 OS GOY, VALVE WANTS THEIR CLOSED GARDEN TO BUY MORE YACHTS
>>738162067>once oil pits dries uplmao
>>738163169>Closed garden, but drivers, and proton are EXPLICITLY OPEN tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
>>738163169you don't understand the meanings of the words you uselinux is as open as it gets
>>738162705Yes, maybe some meaningless insult will cause me to get mad and not notice you are just deflecting again. Seems like a gimmicky strategy.
why would I need one when a 6 year old dualsense is far superior? Hell I'm still using my dualsense from my launch PS5 and the only thing I've had to change are the batteries
>>738163778>3 hours battery life vs 72 (minimum)>drifty sticks vs TMR sticks>bluetooth latency vs Puck (as good as wired)>no repairability vs great repairability
>>738163778you do you, man
SHIPPING WHEN
>>7381673343 to 5 days. By Friday next week if you are fast enough.... You ARE FAST enough right???
>>738130620>What's your excuse for not buying one?I have a gulikit ES Pro, it has a 1ms response time and also cost 30% of the price of the Steam controller. Also I can use it on emulators that aren't on steam.
>>738167405That just means these retards can lie about always online DRM shit for another full week
>>738167431>I have a gulikit ES ProDoes it need to install any proprietary programs on your PC?
>>738167496>Thinks they have drm they are lying about when sc1 and sd had no drm. You could do literally whatever you wanted with itIt takes literally one video of a dude using this on bazzite to prove this wrong
>>738167613Nope. Plug it in and it just works.
>>738167626no one gives a fuck if it works on bazzite when 92% of steam users are still on windows dude lmao. at bare minimum there will be fan workarounds for windows but get a grip.
>>738167825oh no, windowsits users truly care about their freedom and privacy and they'll be deeply upset over using steam
>>738130620Because I repaired my Dualsense(PoS) myself after snapping the D-pad plastic piece in half and it now functions better, and I am too proud of my work to buy an objectively superior product.
>>738130620>GamersKexus
>>738167915You keep moving goal posts >Its drm!!!No, it works on bazzite with literally 0 steam software. LIZARD mode also works basically everywhere >I mean windows!!! It doesn't work on windows!!!It literally does if steam is used to provide drivers. Or several third party solutions like SISR>I DON'T WANT THIRD PARTY OR VALVE BECAUSE IM EXTREMELY PARANOID ABOUT SECURITYthen you'd be happier on Linux anyways ->PROOF OF VALVE WALLED GARDEN ONLY LINUXThis is also all before launch btw
>>738168428Was meant for >>738167825 My bad
>Old xbox360 controllerDo I really need more?
>>738169084Had this until it finally crooked with the thumbstick getting creaky and you being able to physically hear and feel the spring inside being resistant and the shoulder button dying missing clicks/double clicking.Got a gamesir as a replacement and I absolutely love it, best $5 i used in my life.
>>738169084same but a ds4 and using empty cigarette packs as a "charging dock"
>>738130620Buy an ad gabe
>>738130620failed the contra testunplayable
>>738171016Still literally never heard of cobtra test til now, and sounds like dpad design is EITHER, it "fails" contra test, or "fails" to do diagonals reliably. Or both. There's literally no perfection here
>>738130620My DS4 works fine and I like DS4Windows + XPadder. XPadder is so old that it isn't picked up by anticheat.
I just feel like there should be dedicated screenshot button.
>>738173419Button combo for it, steam + r1. You can also map screenshot separately to any button, trigger, bumper, or pad digital menu option.
>>738130620>What's your excuse for not buying one?no xinput
Ten hours til I don't buy a scheme controller
>>738175119>Doesn't understand emulated xinput included in steam input is literally indistinguishable >This tired argument again.>Inb4 they say they refuse to use steam>You tell them there's linux using it native, or 3rd party programs to fix it>Refuse both>Says steam controller sucks because they refuse to use like dozens of ways for it to work, despite it literally being their choice not toThere, i played out your entire argument.
