Why does it seem like AI has only been a net negative for gaming
>>738141432because its not used for innovation but just cost cutting, pretty much like hiring pajeets but better maybe i hope.
that's wrong we now have um uh you see look i need my stock portfolio to go up just buy an ai gf you fucker
>>738141432Every modern game is dead on launch because nobody can afford a current gen console/cardThis is a good thing
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You know how open world games seem vast but usually don't have too many different things to do?LLM based generation accelerates this. You increase the amount of stuff, without increasing the amount of stuff that people want to see or do.
>>738141432AI has been a net negative for everything
>>738141432Because it's only used for cost cutting and has also made hardware 5x as expensive.
Because there is little to no vision.
GIVE ME YOUR JOB!!!!!!!
>>738141432Literally everything has been a net negative for gaming.Gaming has been getting worse and worse and it'll continue to do so.
>>738141432Because no matter what amazing new tool gets developed, it will be at the hand of people who ontologically hates you, thus, it will be used against you, not in your favor.
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>>738142598And now to read wada rape.jpg for the 11th time.
>>738141432it's been a net negative for anything but text-based cooming
>>738141432Not at all faggot, I'm using it and doing great stuff with it.>>738141721>>738143402Lol no.Go and pay for your $125 commission for a single drawing.
>>738141432You're lying to yourself. All generative AI has done for gaming is make some textures you fucking idiot.Although maybe you could argue DLSS is AI but in that case it's made games playable at decent frame rates with some caveats, but in the grand scheme it's not much different than TXAA.
>>738141432what the fuck are you talking about? AI has been huge in gaming. Enemy AI has always been crucial so enemies are more than just target dummies, and generative AI was the foundation for games like Diablo and rogue for their map design.
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>>738141721AI is net positive at my job because it has encyclopedic knowledge of the documentation of the programs we use, at worst it is neutral because when it is mistaken you just have to look up that documentation anyways.
>>738141432>made some textures(neutral/bad)>made dynamic AI voices(good)>helped people make mods to replace character voices(good)>helped game devs and modders with code(neutral/good)>helps people make vidya fan art(good)>helps non-devs learn how to make games(good)>answers questions about video games(usually bad since it's so schizo lmao)>helps devs brainstorm ideas(good)>gave greedy corpos a reason to bump up ram and disk prices(bad)>helps games look and run better(good)
AI is good because it writes boring slop for me in seconds and people cant tell the difference because its useless boring slop anyway.
Is it a good tool? That's open for debate. Is it used well? Absolutely not. The vast majority of generated shit looks hideous. Some anons with infinite time on their hands can produce decently looking stuff after many failures and tweaks to the prompts, but most users can't be arsed with that, especially when working on a deadline. The result is mass produced ugliness everywhere. And I'm pretty sure it has a negative effect on people's intelligence and skill - soon nobody will be able to do a damn thing without asking a machine first, and AI might as well start getting dumber because of that, too.
>>738144878>help do the same shit as alwaysboring as fuck, gen 7 and its destructible environment were more innovative and fun.
>>738146341But faster which is cheaper. You can call it boring but it's mostly a good thing>gen 7 and its destructible environment were more innovative and fun.Crimson Desert just came out and it had some of that which was cool. It's not like many gen 7 games had it either.
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>>738141432Because you don't even notice that it was ai when it has bed positive.
>>738146461still felt more present on gen 7 than today, hardly see these little fun bullshits like turning the faucet or breaking furniture.>cheaper and fasterjust for the corpo fags, hardware is expensive as shit now and games still run like shit while needing 100+gb.
>>738146556Supreme fluffy hair
>>738141721Explain.
>>738144878all of that is totally negated by the prices of hardware going up so much>better performanceper dollar?no
>>738146203I think people don't want to admit that writing has always been this way and that AI just made it more obvious.Can't bullshit a 1+ hour retrospect on YouTube anymore if it sounds like AI.
>>738143486when are you releasing your game?
LOL
>>738141432It's more accurate to say it has been net 0. It hasn't done anything or changed anything.
>>738141432because it hasn't been implemented in depth yet, all we've gotten so far was artists watermarked images *cough cough bungie*We'll see big changes when people are fired and replaced with AI specialistsRoguelike, procedural generation is basically ai when you think about it
>>738141432It's still in its infancy. Just a couple years ago we were all laughing at the fact no AI could even remotely get hands right, and that video AI only produced complete abominations like that Will Smith spaghetti thing. I don't think this LLM shit is even remotely capable of AGI like the snake oil salesmen are saying, but it absolutely will continue to be refined for churning out delicious written, visual, and audio slop for my retarded ass to enjoy.
>>738143486You keep using AI to try and rail against artists, but my commission rates have only risen in the past few years. I think you accidentally turned us into desirable artisans.
>>738141432It gave us Expedition 33 and Crimson Desert, the two best games since Elden Ring
>>738148134>he thinks its sustainable
>>738141432https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoTn32KzkyAai can bring about world peace
>>738148052People tend to forget AI use to make literally dream demon hallucinations back in the day.Now everyone is having a crisis if certain pictures are AI or not.
>video games get ai>it doesn't make video game ai any better
this entire past decade has been awful and quite a lot of people are to blame for that
Wubba wibba do!
>>738141432AI has been a net negative on everything.
>>738148419You can't make AI better in a way that actually makes the games more fun
>>738148734Someone already posted that, you bot.
>>738148509It's gonna get a lot worse, you can be sure of it. When you look at modern internet, Idiocracy starts looking a lot less ridiculous than when it first aired.
>>738144831>AI is net positive at my job because it has encyclopedic knowledge of the documentation of the programs we useYou mean the AI that hallucinates facts?>at worst it is neutral because when it is mistaken you just have to look up that documentation anyways.How is wasting more time neutral you retard.lmao
>>738148850A large chunk of people have hallucinated that men can be women. We're no better.
>>738148850>You mean the AI that hallucinates facts?Back in the day we use to hallucinate genders and mental illnesses. Why change now?
>>738149093>>738149075You don't think much of yourself, doing such equations, do you?
>>738149075>>738149093>BUT MUH TRANNIESAIfags really are a broken record huh.
>>738149254>>738149415Flak is heaviest over the target.
>>738141432None of its use cases have worked out and scripting remains more precise and design controlled than LLM vomit. A dialogue tree works better when you have full control on the dialogue, parameters dialogue choices affect and so on than it does as an LLM. A consistent graphical style is easier to do when you can draw every pixel than rely on the shifting whims of models and AI devs updating their training data. A script you wrote is easier to debug than a vibe coded script. Gameplay testing only makes sense with human playtesters as humans are who play the game ultimately.
>>738149510> I said BUT MUH TRANNIES you can't disagree with me anymore!
>>738147126>just for the corpo fags,have some sympathy for the wagies too>hardware is expensive as shit now and games still run like shit while needing 100+gb.this is more a jew issue than an AI issue>>738147303see above>per dollar?you can't compare old games to new games with much better graphics. the only sane thing is to compare performance of a game with DLSS on and off, without DLSS we would be in hell right now
>>738149763Also gaming is already bloated as shit on file size, LLM models trained to work in said game only make this problem worse. Doom on an excel spreadsheet is far smaller in file size than Doom generated by an LLM, which is a lot bigger in training data.
>>738149254Are you implying something? You didn't say they were in the wrong with what they said.
>>738149945He seems to be implying that they're eager to be part of the coming permanent underclass.
>>738141432At the least it made the laziest devs easier to avoid. They used to use asset packs in the past, which might have made it less obvious to untrained eye, but bad AI sticks out so much that you can tell jeet shit right away.
>>738149902you're rborderline braindead dude, AI will solve all that shitlook what DLSS5 does. your game won't even need 1024x1024 textures, AI will make them looke 8k at 256
>>738149945It's just strange to me how people smugly compare themselves to the poor and the wretched. It's like being proud of being on a same level as a hobo.
>>738142598reminds me of that anon that couldn't stop raping his wife
>>738148850Sounds like a skill issue, the AI is wrong no more often than human coworkers.
>>738143686You're looking at it wrong. A "performance" tool like AI framegen doesn't actually end up making games run better. It gives developers and their corporate overlords more excuses to not optimize and cut corners, and hire more retards for the marketing department and shit coders. Something like AI frame gen always results in WORSE base performance, and AI frame gen is shit.You're also forgetting the fact that retarded niggers actually think they can use AI to code shit for them. And again, you could say "but if you use it intelligently it can help without fucking things up", but that takes almost as much if not more work to oversee the stupid hallucinating machine unless you're replicating existing code, and 1/1000 coders that use it do so intelligently, while the other 999 run the gamut from bad coders to jeets to subhuman retards that don't even know how to code but call themselves "vibe coders" for telling (insert retarded chatbot here) to "code" (slap together a bunch of shit scraped off github) for them.>>738144095Procedural generation for maps is not the same thing as the LLM based "generative AI" (marketing buzzword) OP is talking about. Conflating the two is either ignorant or deliberately dishonest.>>738144878You can identify that the thing can't even answer questions about games correctly, but you think it's actually helping retards who don't know how to code, code correctly? I don't remember the name for this phenomenon, but it's the one where people see the news being retarded on something they actually understand, but don't realize that extends to basically every topic the news talks about.It "helps" lazy faggots "vibe code" bullshit that runs badly. It "helps" corporate faggots cut costs and hire new retards instead of experienced coders. It "helps" lazy coders produce bad shit. See above for why it doesn't actually improve performance, and if you think the generated frames look better you're blind.
>>738153037>You're looking at it wrong.You're just doing schizophrenic mental gymnastics. Literally lying to yourself about base performance. You're probably an AMDfag too.
>>738143486>Go and pay for your $125 commission for a single drawing.What even is this retort?"Retarded people were flippant with ""their"" money, so exporting human creativity and knowledge to a machine is a good thing?"
>>738153512Schizophrenic mental gymnastics for looking at the actual practical consequences rather than retarded hopium? It's well documented that making something easier to do doesn't inherently result in a better result. It usually results in worse, cheaper garbage. With videogames it's exceptionally notable that every time some new bullshit comes out that makes game dev easier, the devs get more retarded and the games get sloppier. Are you even old enough to remember a couple years ago when a bunch of devs started pumping out terribly optimized UE5 slop just because it was new and easy to use? They're still doing it. Hell, look at all the pixel graphics shit and wannabe retro garbage coded in unity that needs 50-100x the performance that comparable or better games using those graphics did.Compare the base performance standards of games without AI framegen. Well coded games don't require it. Most games using it run like complete shit and barely get to 60 on decent hardware with it. You literally don't understand what you're talking about and are sucking corporate dick for no reason. Giving them a tool that just does shit for them makes them think they don't need to bother doing things right. Every time. I'm not the one making it up, everyone who plays games and pays attention has seen games running like complete garbage in the current era. Claiming that the AI bullshit actually IMPROVES the experience is YOU making shit up.
>>738141432Because it’s a tool designed by rich pedophilic kikes that hate you to live out their fantasy of ruling as god kings over soulless robotic slaves while their violent meat bag slaves are left to rot. The whole system’s fucked
>>738149093>if you don’t want to eat shit YOU’RE A TROONPlease don’t make the transvestites sound like the reasonable ones
>>738153037>You can identify that the thing can't even answer questions about games correctly, but you think it's actually helping retards who don't know how to code, code correctly?Yes? It CAN answer questions correctly but doesn't always. It can also help with coding.> I don't remember the name for this phenomenon, but it's the one where people see the news being retarded on something they actually understand, but don't realize that extends to basically every topic the news talks about.You're just a mentally challenged luddite.
>>738141721Makes it too easy for shitjeets and niggers who can’t speak English
>>738153037>Conflating the two isIt's trying to ground the conversation into something more substantial. At the end of the day it's an algorithm that runs on a machine. I don't care that corporate drones call it "cloud" computing". I upload a file on the internet. I'm not going to stop uploading files on a computer because a stupid corporate called it "cloud computing" or to get back at them. It's a loss-loss move to care at all. What a midwit way of thinking. Almost an attempt to muddle the discussion.
>>738154226>immediately bringing up le orange man and epsteinHoly fucking shit, kill yourself you TDS infected Plebbitor.You're so fucking annoying and a cancer to this board. The DOJ already said that he was an insider agent, but you'll ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.
>>738158018trvth
>>738158018holy fucking BASED
>>738158018he didn't say anything about epstein or trump thoughhe's right
>>738158018>see someone complain about society being run by jewish pedos>immediately think of trumpkek
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>>738141721AI has been a net positive for jonglin' my pongos but a net negative everywhere else
>>738141432Breeding sex with this monkey
>>738166673AI is unfappable. No idea how anyone gets off to that junk. "Soulless" is a real thing.
>>738141432Its going to get worse before it will get better. For every cool thing we get like skinwalker mods for lobby horror games and being able to have real-time conversations with Skyrim NPCs we're gunna get more slop and more invasive advertising. When it comes good though is assuming we manage to keep credit card companies from banning too much shit and govts from doing too much ID verification, we'll have a golden age of pic related.
>>738166774you're just letting your autism dilute your cognition
>>738166774More silicon for me
>>738148850it just gives you an idea of what you were looking for and then you check and finish the rest of what you were actually doinglike "enhanced" googling or something
>>738166774I saw a stand-up show the other day that was saying hentai gets a pass because it still came from someone's heart and soul but you are spiritually corrupt for jerking it to AI porn
>>738166901It looks like shit, anon. That's all there is to it.
>>738141432How is it a net negative? The only thing that could possibly be a positive for it is an all out, full exchange thermonuclear war to wipe the slate. You're musing on the quality ramifications of shoveling pig shit onto cow shit like somekind of pretentious shit expert worried it'll be too runny now and have none of that playdough consistency you really enjoy squishing between your toes competetively because you're also a Major League Poop squisher with a prestigious sponsor.
>>738141721It annoyed lots of ppl I don't care about in ways that aren't my problem. There's only net positives.
>>738143486>Go and pay for your $125 commission for a single drawing.Even if it were that price, it'd at least have significance, instead of some regurgitated shit with no impact.
>>738141432Isn't Crimson Desert shitting up great patches thanks to the AI
>>738168490CD's use of AI is pretty funny, they must not have a single illustrator on staff or something and if they do he's the laziest mother fucker alive.>game is in dev for like 7 years>insanely ambitious, You Can Actually Do Anything: the game>world is fucking ginormous >3D art direction is great>textures are pretty good>2D notes and paintings, maybe icons too, all seem AI generated>some of it is just plain bad
