what game has the best writing?
Final fantasy viii
>>738148737Icewind Dale.
>>738148916/thread
>>738148737forspoken
>>738148737Skyrim
Disco Elysium and no other game comes even close.
Sunless Sea.Beautiful Desolation. Isn't bad either.
>>738148737what does 'good writing' even mean? give me a serious example.
>>738149270Sunless Skies is written better.
>>738149392Sorry, If I answered that question I wouldn't be able to use it as a generic complaint.
>>738148737Expedition 33
>>738149392
>>738149560this is the most boring dogshit i have ever experiencedfuck public school and fuck you
>>738149392>>>>>
>>738149231This.But I think it might be because I like post-war literature in general and this is a smorgasbord of stylistic trends from that era.I'd perhaps submit Talos Principle too, but in that case I think the presentation matters more than the quality of the writing per se.
>>738149392In my experience, a book that gives you a profound thought or something so compelling you can't put down. In a videogame, the standard is lowered to just "something serviceable," which is fine.
>>738148737I don't know if it has the best writing ever but lately I've been fascinated by the writing of Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magicka Obscura. It's such a rich world and while the plot is a bit threadbare, it does well to serve as a kind of walking tour of all the societies and traditions in conflict in the setting of the game. One particularly well done example is persuading the exiled Dwarven king to end his self-imposed isolation by learning dwarven philosophy and defeating him in a debate over it. And the player actually has to learn the ins and outs of this, as far as I can tell entirely made up, system of thought.
language and dialogue are negligible in virtually all video games, so its storytelling rather than writing
>>738149231pretentious trash. elaborate prose but no charm. shitty characters. unironically dragon's dogma 1 has great writing. so does dark souls 1. that's as good as it gets afaik
>>738149753Untrue and you're literally a retard for thinking that.
>>738148737Xenogears Legacy of KainVagrant storyPlanescape torment
>>738148737bloodborne
>>738148737Max Payne/thread
>>738149560>>738149650>>738149678so it's just a meaningless buzzword then
>>738149392This is the Gold standard, if anyone recommends anything else to you they're pretentious bitches who don't know shit about storytelling
>>738150031Might I add, there are only 3 stories you must read/watch to understand storytelling>The Gospel>Oedipus Rex>Odysseyt. knower
>>738149549Jewxpedition 33 sucks my balls.
unfortunately, games will never have good writing because they are written exclusively by shiftless japs or californian nepo babies
>>738149771You're just a low IQ dummy, and proud of it.Pathetic.
What is good writing?
>>738150192This has literally never happened. Women are clones to a magical wizard and so are most men. He uses screens to lie about how sex and money works, while taking it all for himself.
>>738149392>>738150305retarded bots
>>738150305Nobody knows, anon
It takes about 150 hours to get going, though.
>>738150132>>The GospelWhich one?
Halo 2
>>738150468Good writing is what?
>>738150305Basically it’s just more money they’d spent. Thats how these games work, you spend more money and you get more quality product. It’s not a talent issue, it’s nothing. It’s purely an issue about money spent. So when you see a nice written game or movie you just end up going “whoah they spent an impressive amount of currency on the writing team”.
>>738148737
>>738148737Hatred.
>>738149231Not really. DE has good prose and thats about it. The detective plot line is half baked, the ideological discussion is hamfisted in because of the writer's background, and I didn't connect at all with Harry's plot line of finding hope because I found him unlikable.Also the writers can't help themselves but have moments of>see player, I'm a real writer! I'm writing good here because I'm going crazy with descriptors and drawing minor things out to pontificate on, that's good prose!Which kills the pacing and generally left me glassy eyed .
>itt /v/tards argue over 'good writing'>when good writing = more like a book>when books and games are entirely different mediums
>>738151219>doesn't explain what good writing is either
>>738151319Of course not, then I would have to reveal that I don't read books
>>738149392>>738150305just look at any quentin tarantino script
>>738149392"Good writing" translated honestly means, "My opinion is that I enjoyed this media. If you have a different opinion I will never consider your point of view."
>>738149969Not at all. I believe writing is something you consider a profound idea or just something so good you can't put it down. Could you explain how this is a buzzword. The fact that you're getting different descriptions means people value different things and by that logic there is no way to evaluate any art.
>>738150521All 4 books of the Gospel are masterpieces as stories alone (Let alone it being the literal word of God).
>>738150305Conveying essential truths through the lens of story is what good writing is all about.If an author is too afraid to tell something real, or be real, then the author has failed at their craft.
>>738152721these guys definitely jacked eacho ther off in the showers every day for years thinking this shit up
>>738152721Why would God wrote more contradictions than JK Rowling?
>>738150623>flowery prose pasted over retconed nonsense and time travel>good writinglel
>>738152872It's not my job to tell you the Good News, only Jesus saves.
>>738150506>trails>best anythingwew lad
>>738152872good morning saar
>>738152835>>738152872>t. indian
>>738152721>four books of the gospelThose are called the four gospels larper.
>>738149549>/v/ is into normalfag family drama more
>>738149392https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5JF9Gq5tL4Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew.
>>738150305IMO, good writing is not about themes, or memorable lines, or following the hero's journey, or avoiding plot holes. It's about giving you experiences so vivid that when you reflect back on them, it feels identical to reflecting back on memories that you made in real life. That's the only part that matters, and the other stuff is just a means to that end.
>>738148737I really liked RDR's writing
>>738153059>semantics over substanceAh, an autist!
If I have to "turn my brain off" to enjoy something the it simply has bad writing. That's the litmus test for this shit.
>>738148737i always thought shadow warrior 2013 had a great storyjust some chinese nigga in japan trying to find a sword while cracking jokes while beheading demonsits one of the few games i replay sometimes
>>738153349You must have your brain turned off all the time then, because anime is fruit that hangs so low it might as well be considered a potato.
>>738153349But most myths are like that
>>738153446Just say you don't get it
No game series makes me think more than Elder Scrolls, moreso the older games.
>>738151219>mediumsBAD WRITING
>>738148737i really liked BG1 writing
>>738153518>DUDE THIS GAME... HAS LE DEEP LORE!!!Ok? What the hell does it actually tell us? What merit as a myth does it have? I swear you fucking retards believe that stories with gigantic worlds somehow mean a better story, are you fucking serious?
>>738153059>calling him a LARPNow that's too harsh on anon for not adding an s at the end.
>>738153518aaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>738153493I get it, I just don't have to think about it to do so. It's an innate feeling
>>738152872good morning sir have you eaten cow dung and spilled milk on a demon statue today thank you
>>738153610>random backlash and buzzwords from some underage DBSfagThanks for the bump.
>>738153610>stories with gigantic worldsTES is worse than some autists pet worldbuilding project because instead of being a world with lots of arbitrary details and elements, TES lore intentionally has anti-meaning. Everything in TES is the arbitrary, rote machinations running in the dream of a dead god. The idea that this is a world filled with gods and heroes and great adventures is a false perception induced by your lack of enlightenment and inability to see the coding that underlies the whole thing. TES is a series of video games built on a certain engine, and the writers for TES have gone to painstaking lengths to create a whole cosmology that only exists to affirm that this is in fact a video game built on the creation engine.
Anything made by atlus.
>>738148737TWEWY
>>738152873
Xenoblade Chronicles 1
>>738148737>best writingat this point in history we're satisfied with "not utter shit writing" tho>>738149392italo calvino tier stufffun, quirky, yet deep enough
>>738148737the Fear and Hunger series is easily the best writing I have encountered in modern releases.
>>738149231stale bait
ArcanumBetrayal at Krondor
>>738154030Why in the actual fuck did you post that pic? Is that to represent the average atlus fan?
The purpose of video game writing is to give context for the gameplay and make you care about what you are doing. If a video game's writing makes you give a fuck, and you find yourself playing to find out more, then its good video game writing. Videogames aren't books, they are trying to do something else entirely. To use a metaphor cars and planes are both means of transportation, but how they get you to your location is entirely different. You don't call a car engine shitty because it doesn't hit the same speeds as a jet engine.
>>738148737Warhammer 40k: Mechanicus has good writing.
>>738149629Try perfume instead:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfume_(novel)
>>738154420It's a pretty funny edit
>>738154438>If a video game's writing makes you give a fuck, and you find yourself playing to find out more, then its good video game writingso genshin has good writing because people have been playing it for 6 years despite being a singleplayer game?
>>738148737Depends on what you are looking for.But I generically always gotta give that to KOTOR1. The twist was as big as snape killing dumbledore before the internet made it common knowledge and the Star Wars lore never stopped flowing to the point where you had a lot of understanding with the universe.Runners up are The Walking Dead S1, Life Is Strange and Your Turn To Die. I also have a bit of a spot for Deltarune too but only enough to mentioning it, its definitely intriguingly written but the outcomes are lesser than the wild speculation Toby leaves you with.
>>738148737yakuzametal gearfire emblem (kaga)
>>738154551Nobody plays genshin for the story. My post is specifically about how the story of a videogame keeping you hooked constitutes good video game writing.
>>738148737Cryostasis
>>738154420Why so nervous, fatlus?
>>738154681>Nobody plays genshin for the storyyou'd be surprisedthere are lore and theory crafting channels with 100k views per video
the talos principle 1?
>>738153987Like how Vivec doesn't stop the player in Morrowind because he knows you can just save and reload. Even if you're doing some permadeath run he knows you have infinity tries or can install mods or can just kill him with the console. As a kid I thought it was a retarded cop out but as an adult I find it pretty cool.
>>738149560Fitzgerald was a great writer but when he tried his hand at filmmaking he was terrible. Really goes to show what’s good writing in one medium is not good in another. I would say some of the FF games have more writing merit than if someone were to try and turn Gatsby into a video game (and the other way around too)
>>738153693>n-no you see it’s actually le complex and le interesting because it’s le complex and has a billion deets and and and…That’s not good writing, in fact the best stories I can think of are all quite simple, thematic tightness is the real merit of any story, if your story isn’t conveying an essential truth about the world through the lens of myth then your story is basically worthless. You can go on and on all day with those 10 hour long shitty video essays but at the end of the day the story is telling me jackshit. Imagine if Hamlet went on for 50 fucking pages detailing the world and backstory instead of just focusing on the central conflict and theme of the story and the character arcs, but it didn’t because Shakespeare wasn’t a fucking dickhead. Youre the actual genuine definition of a normie if you think extensive, complicated lore = good writing. It’s the same reason logic why marvel retards drool over the lore and try to out-lore each other instead of actually thinking about how shitty as stories marvel movies are.
Planescape has some solid sections between all the avalanches of exposition
>>738154486i saw the movie of the perfume ages ago on late night TV i should probably read this book next. it was without a doubt a work that pays attention to details and beauty. the book will probably be even better.
>>738155032The first two ant man movies are unironically some of the better parts of the mcu, if only because they don’t feel the need to made massive lore connections. It’s just a guy trying to do what’s right while also being there for his daughter.
The most important part of writing is good characters. Simple as.
People are not ready for it because it’s too harsh of a truth but even now /v/ still has threads about Warcraft 3. It didn’t have much writing (thankfully) and the dialogue was dumb, but the plot was fire. Vampire the masquerade bloodlines has top tier writing (too bad they seemed to have forgotten they also needed a proper combat system)As far as something more modern, persona games have pretty good writing, although it’s buried deep in a pile of filler content
I personally tend to favor writing for aesthetics more than anything else, writing used to create atmosphere. Some of my favorites are Vagrant Story, Max Payne, Persona 4, The Last Guardian and Sekiro.
>>738155407persona 4's writing was inferior to 3's
>>738155206Hmm no actually that movie sucks because it didn’t show ant man with his secret form that only appears in a single comic from 1996 where he turns into a fucking balloon, sorry fucker!!! Here have Avengers Endgame 2 Tony’s back Baby directors foreskin edition instead
>>738149629it was the best of novels, it was the worst of novels
>>738155476Disagree. I also liked the writing in Catherine more than 3, but wanted to keep it to one game per dev to not just turn my post into a big list.
>>738155271Best post in thread
>>738150912>the ideological discussion is hamfisted in because of the writer's backgroundIt was a little too soft on the writer's own ideological ballpark but it still has some of the least retarded politics of any game.
>>738149560ugly meandering purple prose trash
>>738155271This, and the characters should be put in meaningful conflicts. If you wanna write good stories, remember this piece of advice from Breaking Bad writer and producer Peter Gould: >Where's Jesse's head at? That was always the prelude to the breakthrough moment, because when you said that, it's usually because we had gotten attached to some big plan or some big set-piece that we thought had to be there, but the characters didn't want to do what we wanted them to do.Meaning, you must treat characters as their own people, just as you can’t force someone who loves a person to insult them out of the blue, you can’t force a character to advance the plot. That is how you write characters
Half Life 2Paper Mario TTYDTWEWYGhost TrickMorrowind, some of Oblivion evenFalloutHotel DuskD2Resident Evil 4PortalDeus Ex
>>738149392i like this book and the sequel its too bad the author died before he could complete all his dreams
>>738155869I think superstar saga has slightly better writing than ttyd. That running joke about the mushroom coin to bean coin conversation rate is more clever than most ‘smart’ stories.
>>738153128lol thisNobody cares about your gay ideas or thoughts, we just wanna be entertained and brought into a cool world. If I can think back to the time I played your game fondly because of the writing, then it has good writing. This is why Halo 3 unironically had good writing, even though it has shit writing.
>>738149629You have summarized my opinions on mainstream western literature.
>>738156152Weebfriend, just because the books your English teachers made you read were shit doesn't mean all Western literature is.
>>738155934He would've been buck broken by Parthia.
>>738155869>Deus Exyesit managed to turn a three feet high stack of schizo ramblings and commie psyop into a coherent and plausible script that was actually relevantTHAT is what "writing" means... no "author" bullshit but "writing" proper
>>738156358I wish that would've made some great history.
>>738148737It would need to be written in anything except English because English is a low quality language.
>>738148737The correct answer is Pathologic Classic. None of the other examples in this thread come close.
>>738148737The ivalice chronicles is excellent, Every line was so well written and delivered I immediately knew what the character was about as soon as they spoke. I was floored the whole time even if by the time the demons take center stage the game becomes less interesting. At least the ending compensated for it
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>>738148737Spec Ops: The Line.
>>738148737this question is gay, the one you ACTUALLY want to make is>what game has the best storytellingand in that case one of the candidates is sekiro. Every element of the game is put in there to serve the story and the journey of the player from someone that can barely parry a common soldier to winning a fair duel against the god among men that is isshinand kuro is very cute
>>738148737Morrowind
yakuza, all of them
>>738156945fromdrones are worse than normalfags
>>738156556delusional esltard. english literature eclipses both in quality and quantity any other language without being riddled with cultural or political biases.
>>738149560quentin...
>>738149560that's a trash book and i unfortunately read ityou could get the same message/feeling/ideas from listening to a dozen blues songs, and spend the rest of your time chasing pussy like the retard you are (aren't we all)unless you are a cunt, then it's alright i guess
and by cunt i mean owning a cunt, not in the aussie sens
>>738149392I know your post is in bad faith but I'm going to give a proper answer:The King Of Elfland's Daughter
>>738158882>what does 'good writing' mean?>"The King Of Elfland's Daughter"nice proper answer you got there bud
>>738155032>random words in my mouthHope you work that behavior out before you try this in real life.
>>738148737Threadly reminder that people will list the following games ITT:E33Disco ElysiumCave storyUndertaleAnd those four games represent four of the six total games (other two being borderlands 2 and 3) that were written by millennials.
>738159198Thank you for the (you) zoomie
>>738153610>but how can I use this to brainwash children?rabbi...
>>738154030>supposed to be a trafficking prevention ad>its just full of porn and makes anyone falling for a trafficking scheme look like a retard.wow.
>>738159343I'll take the b8. Why is Cave Story there?
>>738149392/thread
morrowind is the first game that comes to mind. the story is just so absorbing. it really fits the game's feeling of exploration, in those first few quests you are going to informants and getting information about the nerevarine and sixth house, about the pasts, and are told to check out books too. by the time you are traveling to the urshilaku camp you feel so immersed in what is going on. its obviously due to limitations of the time, but i actually like how a lot of the story is backstory, and how a lot of it kind of takes place off screen. its very immersive in its own way.
>>738149392Catch 22. I pick this because its a good example of enjoyable but witty writing with good characterization, which checks all the boxes to good writing. It still should be enjoyable even if its dark or grim
>>738148737Legacy of Kain
>>738159905based /lit/ refugee
>>738159702People like the writing. At least they used to, now /v/ is probably full of people that have never heard of it, they probably play cookie clicker or vampire survivors or some such shit.
>>738159951>NEW INTRODUCTION>*quote by different author*>TV SHOW COMING SOON>ANNIVERSARY EDITIONabsolute pure and unfiltered cancer
I think Disco Elysium has really good *writing* but I'm not sure I'd say the game has a good *story*, if that makes sense. The dialogue is god-tier but the plot structure is kind of bad.
>>738159964>>738159905>there are at least two other people that know this trvthnukevery cool.
I've tried to read more recently. I finished The Anxious Generation by Jonathan Heidt and Ultrra-Processed People by Chris van Tulleken.I don't want to read more nonfiction books anymore. Can someone recommend fine literature?
>>738160317The Republic Commando novels by Karen Traviss.
>>738148916fpbp
>>738160065This book came out in 1961, they do this with re-releases. It's cancer, but don't literally judge a book by its cover man
>>738149231awful bait
>>738160116There arent really bad stories, even when they dont make sense its a problem with the writing as opposed to the idea its presenting, The structure cant even be bad, it can just be done poorly...for example, memento is great, but memento done by uwe boll would be unwatchable.The keys to making a story work is basically just cohesion. Even dialogue isnt required since you can do something without it and still tell the story (apocalypto and possibly alpha, I dont remember if that one had subs). More than anything else, you just need to be capable of communicating an idea, and sometimes being verbose is holding that back. There is this idea from normies (including people here and elsewhere online that claim everyone else is a normie) where a story has to be some grand thing, some marvel cinematic shit with ever more grand stages and consequences, but its absurd to think as much. "Its a wonderful life" is practically a story about nothing happening, it takes place within an hour of time and the rest of the movie is loredumping, and like most other movies at the time it defies "film 101" rules, but its an absolute legend in cinema.
>>738149037ew so problematic, no bestiality or homosexuality or subversion of the concepts of moral good and evilfaithful adherence to established lore and canon? YUCKand no one sided "muh refugees" narrative? NO THANK YOU
>>738156749this
>>738160317Im not taking the piss, you should read old childrens/ya novels then work your way up, I'll suggest these in roughly this order:Artemis fowlSeries of unfortunate eventsHobbitNarniaEnders gameRedwallBram stokerCS lewis' other stuffRobert luis stevensonVictor hugoEdgar allen poeLord of the ringsGK chestertonDunePhilip k dickAgatha ChristieSilmarillionCormac mccarthyI keep thinking of names and books but I need to stop somewhere so there you go.
>>738148737Gacha games that talk about Gnosticism or Simulation theory.
Should you read or game if you want a good story and waste your time productively?
>>738149392A story that is gripping, makes you want more, where you're on board but never know exactly where it's going, subverting expectations, giving you thrills, chills, laughs, sorrow etc.Also, isn't written by a caveman, but rather a connoisseur of wordplay, but not to the point where it sounds like a theater kid reddit moderator trying too hard to sound le intelligent.
>>738160317https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0600931h.htmlhttps://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300511.txthttps://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1023/pg1023-images.html#c1
>>738148737You know what you have to say, but you don't know if you have the strength to say it /v/. Come on, man up
>>738161526>waste time productively
>>738149037I hate random roll character creation so much it's unreal.
>>738161526read fiction if you want a good storyread non-fiction if you want to waste your time productivelyvideo games have some good stories, but not as many as booksvideo games have some useful externalities on your behavior and mind, but way, way, way more negative ones. they are not productive in any way, unless you're going to become a streamer or something. non-fiction will basically always be better for this.
>>738160317Well, what genres do you like? I mean I'd recommend To the Lighthouse (Woolf), Olivier Twist (Dickens) and Crime and Punishment (Dostoevsky) but despite them not being that hard (except maybe To the Lighthouse) they might feel boring and heavy if you aren't "ready for them". So if you're trying to "level up" your reading skills it might be better to start with something more "exciting", to keep you interested. Once you can do that easily, I'd recommend trying to read harder books.
>>738150506I've heard that the Trails series has turned to shit, writing wise, because characters aren't allowed to die any more/always coming back to life as if they were Marvel characters.
>>738148737The last of us and its not even close
>>738149392oyasumi punpun
>>738149549Not one person played that game.
>>738162178I remember reading Death of Ivan Ilych back in highschool and I liked it a lot.So I guess I like books that dive into the psychology of the characters.
>>738162676This but unironically
In my opinion the games that have the best writing aren't necessarily the ones that have the best writing, but the ones that have writing that can only be told well through video games. Where you controlling the character, exploring the game on your own, viewing things on your own, fighting the battles on your own actually make the story progress instead of just having you be a spectator in a third person movie game.A good example would be Pragmata: I correctly predicted 90% of the story just from watching the official trailers for the game, and I think pretty much anyone else could do the same. This should mean that the story is incredibly clichéd. Having said that, the final parts, especially the two last boss fights and everything between them were absolute peak for how the game made you "feel" the characters and story.
>>738148737VtM:BPlanescape TormentDisco ElysiumSlay the Princess
>>738162742I've read a few of that guy's mangas and while I still like them (to such an extent that I consider myself a bit of a fan of punpun), I hate how they always end with pretty much "It was just teenage angst and every character got over their issues, more or less". It's the opposite of Flowers of Evil, which I found boring and quite dumb, but at least the ending dared to follow through.
>>738162840>games that have the best writing aren't necessarily the ones that have the best writing
>>738149392kys
>>738150506I love trails but it's a roller coaster of pretty good stuff and some of the shittiest writing I've seen in my life
>>738161526I'm not saying that there aren't video games with good writing, but video game writing is often McDonalds tier. It generally falls into one of two territories:1. Trying to just be "epic", without actually having anything interesting to say. As long as the boss fights are bombastic, people will be happy, or2. Emotion games, that lack any subtlety, that constantly tell you exactly what you should feel.So my answer would be reading. Video games will just keep you coming back for more, you will not develop your brain in any way. With reading it's not hard to find a way push and challenge yourself and develop your tastes and reading skills.
>>738159951man i should give this a re-read. think i last read this was 10 years ago.
>>738148737RDR2
>>738161195>Artemis fowlI remember reading the first 4-5 books when I was a teen, is it worth re-reading and finishing the rest of the series?
>>738149392Fear and Trembling mostly because the gist is that you should be able to tell when the ends justify the means, but it takes a trip through all of the West's historical baggage to get there in a satirical way that still rings true today.
>>738161195>Robert luis stevensonI read Treasure Island a year or so ago and I didn't think too highly of it, but Long John Silver is an amazing character, in my opinion.
>>738163268>write about current events>shut-in gamers think you're ahead of your time because they haven't left the house in a year
>>738161195what about percy jackson books
>>738162941>cuck elysium
>>738161775HOMERIDING HOME
>>738148737not ironically.... umineko
>>738163532what normie in 2001 was thinking of how the internet will flood everyone's minds with useless and false information in such an incomprehensible scale that it will destroy human communication by making consensus on what's true impossible, allowing anyone to live in echo chambers where their preferred narrative is perceived as an unquestionable truth while being supported by nothing but bullshit
>>738163943NTA, but:One could argue that that is a thing that have always happened outside of the internet, only in much smaller scale, where it hasn't been as much of an issue. Cliques often work very much in the same way. The Internet just allowed it to happen on an unprecedented scale. Taking this into consideration, it really wasn't that much of a prediction.
>>738163293>be the bitch of the bad guy>OMG HE'S THE BAD GUYanon...
>>738163943>Game writes that people will retreat into their own self-selected bubbles of information>Internet Anons think this is a mind blowing prediction, and not something that was happening constantly throughout historyDo you know what a reverse cargo cult is dude? I swear you're like those modern tech bros who reinvent obvious shit and think its ground breaking because they have no world experience and too much ego to realize how stupid they are.
>>738149392Star Wars PrequelsTitanicThe Thing
>>738149629gatsby was actually goodnow the catcher in the rye, THAT was dogshitof course, being written by a member of the tribe meant that found itself the subject of much undeserved acclaim
I found the mythical good writing
>>738154386based calvinobro
>>738148737Pong
>>738162742Retard
>>738159905TRVKE NVKE
>>738160861disco elysium ends in a really unsatisfying way for a detective game, IMO. maybe thats kind of the point, but i dont like it.
>>738154386calvino is a bit too tightly tied with the postmodern movement in literature to be used as a basis for comparison teebeeheytchvidya is just a completely different beast: stuff like second person narrative goes back to the earliest text adventures, and so is not only "not revolutionary" but straight up "conventional"
>>738164716to be fair he was the only recent dude who had "skin in the game"for the rest it was "just a game"... they were something else... it didn't matter...i don't like all calvino, i hate his commie stuff, yet it's still such great writing i read it... that's what being a writer means... giving your soul to be judged by the writer/reader, real conversation
>>738148737silent hill 2 if it wasnt boring and pretentiousim only in for the environments and music and auto aimsilent hill 4 did story better
>>738164928sorry, did not see your reply before I replied to the other anonyou are absolutely right, he is absolutely too tightly tied up with postmodern stuff... yet the components he "chips off" he doesn't offers up or pimps out to "his postmodernist masters" but to the readers... and if that's not enough, he also remains respectful to the source materialthat's why I'm not ashamed of shilling him, even though I would have slapped him to the ground if I met him IRL at a bar
>>738164140>>738164551ok but how did kojima predict death stranding
>>738163383Go for it, people read it for the first time as adults all the time, so I cant imagine a re-read would put you off. I'm planning on doing a read through of that, lemony snicket, and narnia once I find a good deal on hardback sets of them as a sort of prepping for my own kids getting them and I'm pretty excited for it.>>738163494My wife likes it a lot more than I do, while I absolutely love jekyll and hyde, which if you havent read is well worth the hour youll spend on it.>>738163559I have never read them, dont know much about them either, but its my younger brother's favourite series for the first couple books, but he says they get "meh" to plain bad later on.
>>738165109i don't mean "postmodern" as an insult addressed to a pretentious wanker, all while raving about muh subversion because i saw too many antique-statue-avatar twatter postsi mean that iconoclasm of postmodern movement in literature is plainly not applicable to writing in other media, vidya most of all as that's an interactive medium to begin withit's the fundamental split akin to differences between prose in a novel, script in a play, and a poem in a serialized magazineso even if calvino can be cool and witty, he shouldn't be your jumping off point
>>738149392I really liked the Dialogue in Legacy of Kain. very Shakespearean but still understandable for a layman enjoyer.alternatively pic rel.
>>738164952The amnesia arc was shit
>>738165497first of all, sorry for my grammar, I read it out loud and laughedI realize that by iconoclasm you mean a deconstructivist neo-jewish statagem, yet I would assure you (if I could) that Calviino was more Christian/Catholic than Eco who knew the history ten times bettertrust him, all his ingredients are kosher (and, in case you are antisemitic, I mean that in an allegorical way)
>>738149392The
>>738165994i DON'T actually mean any of that gobbledygook by "iconoclasm" go outside nigga, or maybe go to bedi mean all the structural gimmicks that tend to define postmodern works more than the proper words: which is why i brought up "second person narrative" earlier, and why everybody always mentions invisible cities, it's those gimmicks that are usually remembered (and thus inevitably twisted) by the publici mean who the fuck is gonna recommend house of leaves as a piece of erotica rather than "dude it's so weird you gotta see it"?
>>738148737Nier Automata
>>738149392it's when sentenza takes 50 gold from you and you come back some time later to insult and then beat him to death
>>738149392>elevator began to shake, vibrating with motion.
>>738166348what's your problem? you haven't refuted any point from a video game writing perspectiveno movie gets adapted from the bok, they need a screenwriter... just as video games need a writer dude to adapt the worksall i'm saying is that easier to adapt something close to you, in the same town even, than going a thousand miles to chinabelieve me if i didn't have to put up with shitfucks on either side i wouldn't even care
>>738149270>>738149465Failbetter Games have cool settings but the actual stories are really lame
>>738166543you really do need to go to sleep, ellipsis-man, you are getting incoherentcause i have no clue why you started rambling about adaptations or outsourcing to chinks>you haven't refuted any pointi ain't arguing, i think calvino is too distinct to be used as any sort of measuring stick for BEST WRITING EVAR kind of judgements
>>738167000>i ain't arguing, you are rightit's that simple, why all the posturing? you're here among people, not preaching to your midwit brownsthe irony is that you are battling against Calvino, an author that grew up poor and never forgot to cater to them, no matter how high-flung his ideals were...
>>738163930>just cram like 5 radically different concepts together into one gigastory lmaoVN writers all suffer from a terminal case of graphomania. Would it fucking kill them to make a focused narrative? Would also take less than a decade to write, that's bound to be an upside.
if you anons think games are pozzed, try buying little kids books in 2026
>>738167494this nigga is the real far cry
>>738162152>debug mode = 1>ctrl+shift+8>spec characters based on RP optimization or just leave everything at 18 for "muh superhero main character" if you want>now is not random>now no complainyou're welcome kid
>>738148737Xenogears
>>738149037icewind dale has a story?
>>738167836that's my question toolike wtf
>>738149392>>738150305it's just like pretentious on the other side of the spectrum, it became a meaningless statement that just means "I didn't like this" at this point
>>738167616isn't xenogears known to have a mediocre translation?
Literature fans and Dream Theater fans have a lot in common.
>>738161775Unironic kino.
>>738152872>goot morning saar there very good inconsistency and all why harry pooper book very good yess yeeesss>it's actually just the result of independent witness attestation (not rehearsal) which lends credibilityEvery time
>>738149560I feel such dread at the thought of how many young people were completely turned off from reading for their entire lives due to this book.
>>738161775I need /v/ to criticize this one
>>738148737Dishonored Shadowrun trilogy MetroWitcher 3 heart of stone / blood and wineFallout new Vegas
>>738148916>all the characters are unlikable>high school students are also military commanders>plot requires characters acting like retards to progress>ending is pointless surrealism just for the sake of it
What about subtext?>Raiden loses his left eye, just like Solidus>except he uses what is clearly Snake's bandana as his eyepatch
>>738149472Underrated
>>738149392Don't bother asking most of them think like movie snobs.>Recommends piece of media that depicts the most horrible shit you can think (most of the time its just young people being sexually assaulted)>"See how that made you feel and impacted you wasn't that just the most cinema thing you have ever seen/read?"Same goes for music fags. Just read history and military.
>>738164678>squishydo little girls really?!
>>738149392100 Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia MarquezNo Longer Human by Osamu DazaiThe Stranger by Albert CamusHuckleberry Finn by Mark TwainFicciones by Jorge Luis BorgesMansfield Park by Jane AustenNight Games by Arthur SchnitzlerIn The Miso Soup by Ryu MurakamiHouse of the Dead by Fyodor Dostoevsky To The Lighthouse by Virginia WoolfMy Struggle by Karl Ove KnausguardV by Thomas PynchonKokoro by Natsume SosekiDeath Comes for the Archbishop by Willa CatherOblomov by GoncharovStoner by John WilliamsThe Man Who Was Thursday by GK ChestertonJane Eyre by Charlotte BronteBrave New World by Aldous HuxleyMarkheim by Robert Louis StevensonKing Queen Knave by Vladimir NabokovThe Holy Bible KJVtake your fucking pick
Doom (1993)
>>738160317see my post abovealso forgot The Hobbit.
>>738170128pathetic little brainlet
>>738149392For a video game, story that is reinforced by the gameplay that's also consistent in its worldbuilding; thought-provoking.Pathologic, Arcanum, Fallout New Vegas, the main quest of Fallout 1.
>>738149392>It was the best of times>It was the worst of times
>>738148916Kek
>>738148737FF14: Shadowbringers.
>>738149392Tsukihime is about 2 entirely different plotlines connected by a single thread. A mad scientist and the consequences of his life's work.And it's actually conveyed beautifully.
