Just read the mini-newsletterWhy did he reveal this if he didn't want to spoil Chapter 5 too much?
>>738152412we got a newsletter?
>>738152978no
>>738152412Thread before was going by pretty quick. Where did everybody go?
What the FUCK is her problem?
>>738153880i just did a wall of textwhat else is there to be said?
>>738152412you elevated my heart rate for 1.7 seconds you lying fuck
>>738153916dunno. There are pills on her bedside table on the unused ch2 room sprite so she might actually be a schizo
I went on AO3 to see what smut the kids are writing these days and oh my god literally half of it is just the TV man and his little freaks
What if we did a little coping and just talked about what we desire out of the game, regardless if it's likely or not?I still hold a faint hope that Chapter 5 will be a last hurrah to how the early chapters were, and how many thought the game was going to be.>3 dark world areas, all distinct and beautifully sprited>an actual ruler for this land and he isn't asgore>a meme darkner that will stick with people for years>a schizo boss within Jevil's mold
>>738154495>over 3k out of 21k total deltarune fics are spamtennait's been less than a year since he existed
>>738155078that's the power of the fujo
>>738154751I was super down for the game to be like the first two chapters for the rest of it. or at least the first five chapters, I thought that we'd explore these fantasy lands with other characters in the cast and it'd help them get over their current problems in life. Chapter 3 making Toriel sleep the entire time is a crime
>>738154751My personal checklist? >Getting to use Noelle again>Special interactions for equipping ThornRing if it wasn't used in Chapter 2 >Being able to use the TwistedSword before Chapter 5 is complete>More weapon combinations with the PureCrystal (Ex. Axe of Justice + PureCrystal = ????)>Asgore theme that rivals or surpasses his tragickino theme in Undertale>Finding out Toriel's role in the Dess incident>Roaring Knight reveal>Seeing Papyrus for real>Having another human show up for comparison's sake (and for finally seeing a speech icon)>Catti relevance>Burgerpants being hilarious>seeing Onion's corpse>More Lancer>More Queen>More Tenna>Less Rouxls>Witness the real FRIEND BTFO'ing all previous headcanons
>>738154751I think it would be cool if Flowey came back for ch5 in a mostly non violent role. Like actually UT Flowey, not a discount delta version. Having him prop up Asgore's delusions of getting back with Toriel, making him slowly lose his mind. Annoying and doompilling the fun gang, mocking each of them individually for their dreams and desires. I'd make for great banter
>>738155534I don't wanna derail this thread with my grievances, but I see it.Ever since chapter 2 I knew the game was going to take this path, I just thought it was going to be pushed near the end like how Undertale was, and at least 3+4 would follow that early mold.I'm curious (and dreading) how the last 3 chapter will follow up on 4.
>>738155589man I've been yearning to see how noelle goes at boss fights, she only got berdly 2 so far>>738155698flowey would be insane but there would need a real good excuse for that
>>738155534Thing is though, Toriel is an adult. Not just an adult but a pretty damn normal one who lives in a normal town with nothing weird or strange at all. I'm not sure how'd you write around that as Toriel is much more well put together mentally compared to her Undertale self who self-isolated for a century minimum. I don't think she'd tolerate Tenna's more extreme shenanigans even under the context of "just a dream".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G8DcaGegM0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMfro9XfU1whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk8EQW0TJ3U
>>738152412Lmao we're starting to hallucinate the newsletter, things are looking real grim.>>738153880WAITing, of course. Always WAITing.
>>738154495Spamtenna exploded in popularity. It's by far the most popular Deltarune ship there is, especially based on how long it exists for. It mogs Krusie and Kriselle.
After this WAIT, are you ready for more WAITING?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0DxDR1qIBw
>>738156920this WAIT has been worse than the big WAIT between chapters 2 and 3, what the fuckI can't believe we still gotta WAIT 2 to 3 more years after this
>>738156920That's my secret, anonI'm always WAITinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZftxqEwZ6E
>>738157042well I guess there was a reason toby wanted to make this deal a [3 FOR ONE SPECIL] at first
>>738154751If we're being extremely unrealistic and delusional...>Meaningful Weird Route changes on par with 2, unique weird route exclusive bosses>Noelle is a party member again and we can play as her with Susie or Ralsei >Festival is very elaborate with plenty of minigames, it isn't Suselleslop and explores the relationship between our main characters>Flower Shop Dark World is as lively as 1 and 2 Dark World>The Flower Bouquet is elaborate characters with their own unique theme that explore the SOUL traits better >We get meaningful answers in 5 at least>Sans deal is elaborated on and not left for a footnote for the end>Papyrus and Asriel show up before the end>The classmates actually do something other than Berdly>FRIEND becomes more than a spooky face and becomes a real character
>>738156920I'm ALWAYS ready for WAITing, as I LOVE to WAIT.
>>738155698Looking back, it is strange that Flowey only really had a couple scenes in Undertale
>>738156920WAIT until the WAIT is done.
>>738158568Toby knows how to utilize screen time to its fullest potential. Flowey shows up very little but every scene of his is extremely important.
>>738157042Next WAIT will be better as we will have a cliffhanger to hold us over.
>>738159287fuck noi don't want kris knight again
>>738159492You will get Vessel/Gaster cliffhanger and you will like it.
>>738159751eh that would be fine by mei just don't want misleading theory bait again for the third time
If Deltarune came out like 10 years earlier I think Noelle would have one-shotted me, it's like she was made in a lab to appeal to me specifically
>>738159883i feel deltarune came in way too late, it would have been perfect for the 2000's emos
>>738159826I can't see it being too misleading when there's only 2 chapters left for the game to end.
>>738159940deltarune during undertale's time would've swept.it just would've been homestuck 2 outright.
Just saw a youtube theory that Kris is the vessel. These guys are just throwing shit at random, aren't they?
>>738160490that's lightyears away from actual bad theories
>>738160375Alas, we got the timeline where it takes over 13 years to come out
>>738158568He's always following you in the background if you backtrack. He even has an exclusive scene by some echo flowers iirc.
>>738160535The intro explicitly states the vessel was discarded. The entire game hammers home the point Kris is not the player's vessel. The theory requires the game directly lie to the player for no reason. It's deranged nonsense.
>>738160490There was actually a lot of this after the last release with the "gooner hand" theories. Kris having grey on their hand after their art therapy, mini-Kris in Chapter 3 and the Darkner who sees another Kris backstage after the mantle game.
>>738160638Dude, you're making way too many assumptions here. We have no clue how deep the fuckery goes.That whole intro might be a flashback, a dream right before Kris wakes up. Don't forget how the Undertale intro isn't Frisk at all, and that only gets revealed by the very end.
>>738160758Good stories don't lie to the audience. People call Toby a hack, but that's not something he ever does. These theorists are retards who don't understand basic storytelling.
>>738160490Kris's hand is a vessel's but that's about it
>>738160758>That whole intro might be a flashback, a dream right before Kris wakes up.Sure, but whatever the context is, the vessel we created and named still got thrown out and we got put into Kris instead. It goes beyond being misleading like Undertale's intro, it's a pretty direct contradiction.>>738161007>Good stories don't lie to the audiencealright let's not get carried away
>>738160490Kris being a Vessel isn't that crazy and him being a copy of the two humans would explain why they're so similar. It's unlikely, though.
>>738161007He has already lied a whole bunch, and will keep lying. He said many years ago he doesn't expect Deltarune to have the same appeal Undertale had.
>>738161095>He has already lied a whole bunchExample?
>>738161095When did Toby lie?
>>738160616
>>738152412Toby Fox is a pedophile.
The closest thing to a lie is Undertale featuring two completely different characters both interchangeably referred to as "the fallen human". All for the sake for setting up a twist that didn't even matter.
Undertale and Deltarune are both deliberately misleading in different ways, but it feels pointless to try to cry foul or catch Toby in a lie about itMost of the exposition in both games is delivered by characters or in-story sources, who can be wrong or lie to you. It would be pretty absurd to say a character in the story, like Flowey, isn't allowed to mislead you.There is narration of course, but the narration is known to be unreliable. It typically has personality and flavor rather than being presented as objective and instructive.What else is there, The Prophecy? Of course The Prophecy is probably misleading and open to interpretation, it's a prophecy, that's how they work.
>>738161307Frisk and Chara are both the fallen human, though. All the humans in the underground are. Also the twist matters for Toby extremely because of his view between self-inserts, protagonists and the player. That's why Frisk's name is still banned from merch.
Where's my vessel, BITCH?
>>738161591The intro explains the story of the fallen human while cutting out to Frisk. The intro being about Chara and not Frisk is clearly deceptive. People don't raise a stink about it because the twist didn't mean anything.
>>738161571>There is narration of course, but the narration is known to be unreliableNo it isn't.
>>738152412Troon game
>>738161095>He said many years ago he doesn't expect Deltarune to have the same appeal Undertale had.I mean. Is he wrong?
>>738159883Doefags are already pretty insane, if they existed in 2015 they would be up there with Sans/Goatfags. Maybe at prime Chara/Humanfag tier
hot dates with spidersa shame the artist forgot a pair of arms
>>738161785
>>738162008We will have to WAIT and see.
>>738160375Only if it's the completed game, otherwise it would've flopped.
3+4's 1st anniversary is coming a month from now, toby will probably WAIT for it for the next newsletter
>>738159883Whoever made this is reeeeally good with those effects. The alignment and timing matches the source gamet. Mugen fag who has 20 years experience ripping/aligning/timing
>>738162197Damn, it's already been a year?
>>738161743Yeah, that's pretty deceptive. I feel like the twist didn't matter for the average player but it clearly matters to Toby. It's one of those things were we don't know what Frisk and Chara represent to him so the player character not being the one you name and being her own person might not matter to us but it's mind-blowing to Toby's personal meta narrative interpretation.
>>738162197Didn't even think of that, but that's very likely. Damn, time passed fast but also really slowly.
>>73816229434 days to close up a year. And then another 25 days to reach the 6-months release window we have so far.
>>738161785The narration in both Undertale and Deltarune is typically not presented as an authoritative and objective voiceDeltarune's narration (usually) has less personality than Undertale's but it can still be inconsistent, unsure, and hides things from youThat doesn't mean you can't take the narration as a source of information, but you can't just uncritically accept everything it says at face value without considering the context.
>>738162421Guess it's time to finally try to get that perfect save done.
>>738162861I decided to keep Tenna with me this time, I guess the game will punish me for that in some way but oh well
>>738159883Why?Is it being rapeable?
>>738162051Happens to the best of us
>>738162995>cute cheerful dork>nerdy tumblr girl interests>long and full blonde hair>childhood friend with a shared tragic past>meek but can stand up for herself>repressed assertive and selfish side>healthy adolescent sex drive (secret bisexual pervert)>tail (touchable)She's pretty much perfect
>>738162531In Undertale you could also argue the narrator was Chara and thus it was partial due to being her just narrating to Frisk. In Deltarune we don't know who the narrator is but they do seem to like hiding what Kris is trying to do even if they aren't him.
There's several videos out there with titles about "solving " deltarune but I just now thought that it would be funny if someone made a video titled like that and its just a guy at a chalkboard doing really long math problems.
>>738155589>Roaring Knight reveal>Seeing Papyrus for realTime to drop some schizo theories.Roaring Knight is 100% Dess. She was the singer in a rock or metal band or whatever, literally the ROARING Knight.Papyrus I think is dead. Sans could just be joking about saying he doesn't have a brother if Kris asks about Papyrus without learning about him in Chapter 1, but another way to interpret it is Sans doesn't have a brother, he *had* one. And then catches on that Kris is talking about Darkner Papyrus, and gets very suspicious about how Kris knows. It could just be meta humor and trolling, but if not that would explain Kris' dialogue and Sans' reactions in universe: Kris met Papyrus in a dark world somehow and Sans is disturbed Kris is trying to connect with his dead brother.The path that diverges from chapter 1 will be caused by the player being able to enter the library computer room after beating King with the full game release, letting you do something there with full meta knowledge to derail the entire plot
>>738152412Deltarune is baby's first Twin Peaks.
>>738164569The monkeys have been typewriting for so long the whole game is probably revealed across youtubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKtzP68T_mk
>>738164225I didn't want to invoke NarraChara because that triggers some people, but yes the narration changing in the Genocide route is a pretty clear demonstration that the narration is subjective, not factual/omniscientI don't think Deltarune is meant to have a consistent narrator viewpoint character, and that just makes its inconsistency that much more apparent
>>738159883>>738162203For me it's the Alpha series super move activation effect, that shit tickles my brain good
I have literally never witnessed character assassination this insane.Sans went from the undisputed most beloved Character in UT/DT to the most HATED overnight and Toriel went from this charming, motherly goat to a literal WHORE, a CUM DUMPSTER.
>>738165270And it's only going to get worse from here!
>>738165270That's the whole point of this. We're going to see inversions of all of the UT characters, without actually changing anything. Sans has always been like this, we just viewed it from a positive perspective rather than a homewrecker perspective.
>>738165270It's incredible how much this scene triggers peoplethe dog's still got it
>>738165648what would trigger you?
>>738165670Doo doo feces
>>738165756good thing asgore had many bags of fertilizer in his shop
>>738165270>Undyne became a turbo jobber one-shot by the knight>Asgore became a fat cuck>Toriel became a negligent whore>sans became a bullyAt least Alphys got better, right?
>>738165836so far she didn't lock up dying monsters so that's a plus
>>738165836Sometimes I'm really glad that we haven't seen DR Asriel yet.
>>738165648>the motion lines on the Toriel butt shake drawingsSo Toby confirmed Toriel canonically has a fat ass under that dress?
>>738165957I would actually find it hilarious if Asriel turns out to just be some fat fuck too just like his dad
>>738165957Since you touched the topic, let me do some theorizing:So far the text implies Asriel suffered a lot with Dess's disappearance, and also had some falling out with Kris. The Dreemurr family reunion is not gonna be warm, if it ever happens.Ralsei is what the average UT fan expected Asriel to be like, but his actual self will be way more jaded with everything that happened. My guess is that he will be way more Flowey-like than anyone had anticipated, not in the sense of being a murderous asshole, but he could be very sarcastic and such as a way to cope.
>>738166252I hope he's the friendliest, optimistic, loving brother Kris could ever want, and then dies at the end of the chapter.
>>738165836>Undyne is a jobber>Asgore is a fat cuck>Toriel neglects children and fucks skeletons>Sans is kind of a dickHow is this any different than Undertale
>>738165648cinema, kino even
>>738166252>So far the text implies Asriel suffered a lot with Dess's disappearance, and also had some falling out with Kris.Where is this Asriel characterization coming from?I'm sure what happened to Dess affected him as much as everyone else, but I'm not aware of anything specific the game has had to say about it. If anything, it's notable that there's hints they were dating when she disappeared but Asriel has also had some romantic involvement with other girls like Catty. Maybe it's been long enough that he got over it.I don't see the falling out with Kris at all, Kris loves and misses their brother dearly and Asriel has been nothing but kind to Kris.
>>738166917A rare line from the dust frog enemy in chapter 3, the description of his clothes on the ground, and how Kris prays to him.
>>738167108>* (These clothes hold no power over you any more.)This seems like general resentment at having to dress up for Church. It doesn't make sense for Kris to have something against Asriel's church clothes that are loaned to Susie specifically, Kris never would have worn them, they're too big.Maybe it could be interpreted as resentment about having to wear Asriel's hand-me-down clothes, but that's an issue of Toriel controlling Kris's wardrobe, it's not Asriel's fault.>* (You put your hands together and said his name, blankly.)>* ... At least pretend to try.I interpret this as Kris deliberately hiding things about Asriel from us, like how they don't let us violate Asriel's privacy by looking into his room in Queen's mansion. If they have something they want to pray for Asriel about, they're not going to let us hear it.They treat the instruction to "pray for Noelle" similarly on the normal route, awkwardly deflecting to praying for Rudy instead.Alternatively, Kris is completely confident that Asriel is fine and doesn't need their prayers.
>>738164606>Roaring Knight is 100% Dess. She was the singer in a rock or metal band or whateverTangentially from this point, I fully expect that the whole "BIG SHOT" thing comes from Dess wanting to leave town and make it as a rock star
>>738168050>spamton's ads were never a hit with lightners>until one day he found someone and then he suddenly got big>that someone potentially is the one who hooked him up with tenna in the first place>then that someone suddenly vanished, and all that was left of them was garbage noise on the phonewhat if the someone on the phone was Dess, and that's why Spamton seems to have such a specific connection with Noelle AND Tenna (who Dess was acquainted with, as per the skimpy lizard music videos)
>>738162051I’m doing a comm piece with Muffet now.Her arms are bound unfortunately.
>>738165270Seeing your parent(s) drunk (for the first time) can be a traumatic experience since it violently shows you they're an actual human being instead of an archtype that is 'mom' or 'dad'. Think the only worse way to realize that is to accidentally come across them fucking, but the NTR air of Sans in that scene and the sleeping in the bed hearing the noises invokes the spectre of it.Toby really jus is a mastermind in pulling it off.
>>738160490spookydood is my fav schizophrenic>when he gets on the unscripted ramblingamazing
