The touchpads are shilled as the selling point of this but there are no games people are going to actually play with them>rts games or any pointer based gamesyou'd be retarded to play them without a mouse and keyboard>shooterssame as above, and you if you really need to cope with a controller, gyro already does the job>3d platformers or any other game where you actually do better with a controllertouchpads are completely useless on theseYou cannot come up with any real uses for this
>>738157558I play marvel rivals and halo infinite all the time with the trackpads. it’s insanely easy to crack headshots in tactical slayer(swat) and as punisher
why did they do it?
>>738157649mouse players still have it easier than youyou're just crippling yourself
Aren't there other controllers you could be posting about?
>>738157736good thing I have a mouse with a paw3395 sensor then. the trackpads are for the couchalso, I routinely close my seat games team leader with 30+ kills. if there’s mouse players performing better than me, then I’d love to play with them. a childhood and adulthood training on headshots as left me without equal
>>738157558even if you're using gyro for a shooter, you can still use them for other things like a mouse just for menuing or a quick wheelrts with mouse regions is also very good. you can use a mouse region over the minimap on one pad and a mouse region over 80% of the screen or the other so you never lose track of the cursor while playing
>>738157740>cherry picking the most expensive versions of much cheaper controllers and a bundle of 2 controllers to justify a $100 scamvalve dickriders are pathetic
might be great for X4 when I'm too lazy to hook up my HOTAS and pedalsmaybe something like MW5 too
>>738157558how many hours until its on sale?
>>738157825>t. shitter in shitter ranks
>>738157825>good thing I have a mouse with a paw3395 sensor then. the trackpads are for the couchI accept your concession
>>73815788217 hours
I want to say they're neat to have, but I have a Steam Deck and I only ever use them for navigating the Desktop mode. There's no reason to use them on an actual desktop computer because I would have an actual mouse. I guess it's neat if you want to give your wrist a break? But that's more of a bonus than a selling point for a $100 controller.
>>738157865>comparing premium 1st party offerings to a premium 1st party controllerhow dare he
>>738157865>a bundle of 2 controllers
>>738157865You'd say the same if the comparison was against cheaper but worse products
>>738157945>steam controller>premium
I play oxygen not included, civ, crusader kings, and other turn-based or rtwp games where having the trackpad on my deck is significantly better than using a stickdon't have sour grapes because you are both too poor and too creatively bankrupt to imagine a scenario where a tool like this would be useful
>>738157558>itt poor person can't afford controller and complains about it for free on the internet
Notice how the entire thread is seething shills and not a single post actually mentioning a real scenario where the touchpads are anything but a worse experience
>>738157558People are crying about the price, but controllers already cost like 50dollars?100 dollars is literally something you make in half an hour?
>>738158002It is literally, objectively the first first party controller on the market to adopt superior technologies like TMR sticks.
>>738158069I sit on couch, touchpad>joyshit
>>738158039>>738158069congrats on beating applefags on the dickrider consoomer contest
>>738157558honestly you may be right anon. it's useful for the steam deck but i don't really need a touchpad on the pc. i'll probably buy one anyway because i'm a fucking retarded consumerist basedboy valve bootlicking cuck.
>>738158069It's so you can use a mouse without having to take your hands off of the controller to use a mouse for games that aren't created with this hybrid PC controller scenario in mind. It's not something you will understand since you just play on consoles
>>738157890I don’t see how insulting me, personally, makes the trackpads any less awesome. when you get 50+ kills as punisher, I will respect your opinion the trackpads are also good for >driving sims (project cars with type 2 steering) >virtual d pad for fighting games (kind of broken/op for motion input, almost feels like cheating) >quickhacks slide and release to press in cyberpunk>assigning map zoom and scroll in any fallout but especially 76>radial menus in boomer shooters like quake >scroll wheel to zoom in and out in tabletop simulator
I want it to play sims 1 on the telly
>>738158137>here is a use case for this product>"NOOOOOOOO SAAR DO NOT REDEEM"here's your (you), faggot, don't spend it all in one place
>>738158268Im saying that your boasting is worthless because you're literally shooting bots in a bot rank.
>>738157558can i get this bitch but without the gimmick pads?it looks heavy and cumbersome as fuck
>>738157925I earnestly don’t believe you know what a paw3395 sensor is, or how comfy it is to play marvel rivals on the couch while your woman watches bridgerton. perhaps maintaining pussy in your life is the secret to enjoying valve hardware
>>738157558>there are no games people are going to actually play with themIf I'm going to actually aim well, I'm sure as fuck not gonna use an analog
>>738157558imo it's probably just gonna get bought by people who enjoy niche tech. like dudes sitting on their couches using it to browse the internet on their tvs but want more than a mouse while being too lazy to setup a keyboard.
>>738158417I just use flickstick + gyro for that. I still use trackpads for menus and shit though.
>>738158349and you don’t know what my rank is so you’re just saying random shit in a vain attempt to insult me for engagement and (You)s. which is fine, this is chan. and since this is chan, I will say I’ve been using valve trackpads since 2016 and they are the superior input. you’ve had a decade to ferment genuinely contrarian takes on why they’re bad and at this point, you weirdly have nothing except insults for my halo rank
>>738157825You realize all shooters have aim assist at the competitive level for controllers, right? You can't be so retarded as to compare mouse vs controllers for shooters?That is fucking HILARIOUS, imagine playing Counterstrike at the competitive level with a controller vs pros with proper mice & keyboards. You CAN'T pull off flicker shots with a controller, or anything else really.You. Are. Retarded.
The best thing about these threads (which have been endless) is how easy it is to spot poors whose mommy buys them a console every 5 years so they don't own a steam desk and have never used one.It's shocking easy to spot the poors. If you use a steam desk (which isn't even expensive) for 10 minutes you will see the value and quality in the pads.This anon is correct>>738158601
>>738157740There's also the RE9 Switch 2 Pro Controller. $100 with the only difference being it's RE9 themed.
>>738157558After playing maplestory classic recently with a controller, i can really see how they can be useful and im considering them.
>>738158793see >>738158137
>>738157558I'd use this for Stardew Valley
>>738158942>seeYep, I see that you are poor. You have spent dozens of hours of your time posting about a product that you weren't going or couldn't afford to purchase for free on the internet, and I want you to stop and look inside and find the reason why. Don't buy it, you are good.
>>738158687You don’t get aim assist when you use mouse input on the trackpad. clearly, you’re just learning this now. (You) so fundamentally misunderstand how the trackpads work, you can’t even insult it correctly
>>738157558yeah wow this is so horrible I'm going to boycott them and not buy their controller, ESPECIALLY on release
Nobody even uses the DualSense touchpad. It's a stupid gimmick, and it makes the controller so fucking ugly. Just look at that thing, it's hideous.
>>738157558it has also had gyro and back buttons.pro features at half the price.
>>738160102because it's in such a dogshit position people forget it even exists and it has no software support except for steam input (lmao)
>>738158379Buy literally any basic bitch controller. You don't have to put money on a Valve product.
>>738160227>it has no support except for the software that it will be used with 100% of the timeGood one, you got em
>>738157686because the custom of non steam non linux users is completely worthless to valve
>You're never going to play any games that will use any of the featuresWe're literally at pic related with the antishilling, goddamn>inb4 shill replying to this post pretending to not know what antishilling is and trying to say it's the same thing as not shilling
>>738160384I'm simply pointing out the absurdity that you can't use features of sony's own products without steam. It's like looking at a forum for why an EGS game can't detect your controller and the solution is to boot it as a non-steam game.
>>738157558I use them a lot on my steam deck. Radial menus in the left pad, and mouse in the right. Map painting games are pretty nice on handheld, and it’s nice to be able to play games like the pre Skyrim TES games with a PC control scheme intuitively on a controller.
>>738157736He gets aim assist while he does it
>>738157558The original one was shilled to play shit like Civ or XCom but ironically, they're were actually better played with an analog/d-pad for movingthe problem with the trackpads/touchpads/whatever they are is that fundementally, the games would be useful with them generally need a fucking keyboard with the amount of keys
>>738160227Except steam input.... and bazzite... and lizard mode .. and literally any other os that arses to include drivers.This could literally work on all major consoles if the consoles wanted that, but they absolutely do not.
>>738160575learn to read dude
>>738157558The touchpads can be zoned into additional haptic buttons using steam input, I use a profile on my deck that binds number keys 1-9 to the right pad so I can do instant weapon switching in boomer shooters and have extra keys for games that don't bind neatly to an xinput controller, it has utility well beyond just acting as a mouse cursor.
>>738157945Who said it was premium? Plastic feels cheap according to Linus. I’m sure they’ll come out with a $200 pro controller if this one sells.
>>738160759>linusSar, he is best man! Very techy man!He's a glorified marketer of faggotry for teens thinking they're elite hackers
>>738160759This gay retarded tech youtuber he said she said bait game doesn't work. We already know the plastic is the fucking same as the steam deck.
>>738157558who gives a fuck about the controller t b hI want a damn steam frame already
I played all souls game on my OG steam controller after I got mine bundled with DS3 on launch back in the day. I find the trackpads are more precise than a joystick for action games for me. Honestly my favorite controller ever, just wish it was more comfortable
>>738160759>my gay boyfriend said somethingWowGo suck him off somewhere else
>>738160786>>738160830skillup also said it didn't feel as good as his dualsense or xbox controllers
>>738161031Bro, the thing is literally just a steam deck without the screen. Anyone interested already knows exactly what it feels like.
>>738161132The point was that it is not a premium controller
>>738161132Exactly this. Never saw people saying steam deck felt cheap, it's literally the same thing with like 6 tweaks
>>738161031>this other elite haxor computer geniusMy chinese friend, NOBODY gives a flying fuck what fucking marketers sayIf they thought saying it will give you an 18 year old waifu like your anime would mean they get the most views? They'll say.It's just fucking the marketing their own shit>>738161207Anyone who's not a retard knows this. Valve have always been 'do shit cheaply, offer cheaply'. It was literally their fucking motto going into Russia was taking a hit vs piracy but getting a market share>>738161218Steamdeck does feel cheap, tho. It's just heavy. It feels like a worse switch
^ what a shit post
>>738157558>The touchpads are shilled as the selling point of this but there are no games people are going to actually play with themNo they aren't, check your confirmation bias. I will answer any way: my favourite genre is 4X. I'll be able to play them using those.
>>738161367>you must be indian if you understand a 100 dollar controller isn't that expensiveYes, yes I am. I am Indian, Sar! I am intelligence manValve even fucking admitted it's not premium - stop being retarded
>>738157558>touchpadsDS, 3Ds and Wii emulation. They are perfect as Wii Remote / DS Stylus replacement.This controller is perfect. The community already figured the best mapping out. EmuDeck will be day1 with that controller, because it's almost a 1:1 copy of the Steam Deck layout.
>>738157558Why does it have two trackpads though? I can understand the one on the right, but what's the left one for?
>>738161904The way I understand it you pretty much never need both, but it's nice to have the option doing the "mousy" stuff with your left or right thumb.
>>738161904Its really Nice for dozens of miscellaneous bindings. Quick save, quick load, wait (in fallout nv) open console, ect ect ect. Basically you should never NEED to use a normal keyboard again for gaming.
>>738157865Switch 2 pro is 80New switch 2 joycons are 90Ps5 controllers are 75/80Yeah, valves is a bit more but controllers are fucking expensive already
>>738157558>you'd be retarded to play them without a mouse and keyboardFantastic argument, just shoot down any example as stupidity, you're brilliant. The whole point of the Steam controller is for simple couch play without the need to a KB+M setup>gyro already does the jobYou can pair them with gyro for even more control>3d platformers or any other game where you actually do better with a controller- touchpads are completely useless on theseYeah no shit games that don't utilize a mouse or any pointer won't benefit from the touchpads (unless you use them for radial menus), they're there for the games that do.
>>738160759>Plastic feels cheap according to LinusDamn, I suddenly have a more positive view of miscegenation.
Far Cry 4 used the dualshock trackpad for the weapon wheel 12 years ago and neither the sequels or any other game replicated that function since, what a fucking waste.
>>738158074>People are crying about the price, but controllers already cost like 50dollars?The funny part is that all the people bringing up $50 controllers as a counterargument are talking about cheap third-party chinkshit controllers. Actual good quality controllers and ones made by first part companies are all around the price range of the Steam controller already.
>>738157558I like using the trackpads for virtual menus. It's real nice for games with 1-9 weapon selection
no one really likes synder capeshit they just say they do to get contrarian (You)s and attention on chan
>>738164020?
>>738163018Indeed. My favorite is mode shift on pad for when its pushed in. Aim mode normally, press in its a 7 slot weapon sector. Instantly click at any point and you have your gun, zero aim sacrifice.That shit literally let me beat serious sam on serious difficulty...fuck mental difficulty though
>>738158002Which Premium Nintendo, Xbox or PlayStation controllers have TMR sticks?Could it be that console hardware is inherently non-premium?
>>738157558Consume the slop goyimGaben is one of God's chosen people
does anyone have one yet?
>>738165623that piece of shit has soldered analog sticks you can't remove and you shill them like they offer any different experience from any other controller everjust clinging to any retarded spec to shill shit for the sake of bootlicking a company
>>738158601I know you're a shitter from the way you type.
>>738157558if I didn't have a controller i'd buy it but since my current one works just fine it would just be wasteful. one day tho
>Get a job>Work for an hour>115 dollars earned>Buy steam controller and beerWew, how horrible
>>738167867and yet insulting me doesn’t make trackpads any less exceptional
>>738168027eye of a needle
I have 2 controllers already but exclusively play on the couch, so this might be worth getting. $99 is fucking overpriced though
>>738157558that looks so fucking retarded
Why the fuck do people care what a controller looks like instead of how well it functions? Do they have brain damage? are they retarded?
>>738168041Im not arguing about trackpads.Im calling you a shitter who thinks he's hot shit because he killed a bunch of bot-tier noobs in a shit rank
>>738157558It looks used
>>738169213I’ve been playing halo online since november 18th 2003. maybe i am in shit lobbies. maybe i’m not. what I do know is I like getting headshots in swat. and my steam deck controller profile for halo infinite is meticulously refined for it
>>738157558I've been playing RTS and CRPG games on my Steam deck for years thanks to touch pads
>>738157686Ahahaha fuck Valve though
>>738157558>The touchpads are shilled as the selling point of this but there are no games people are going to actually play with themThe furry spiritual sequel to trauma center comes to mind, I might try to see if the new steam controller works on it.
>>738169138They're trying to impress their underage ekitten from discord
>>738170335>shill is a furtrannyyikes
i wanna test it for fighting games really
>>738161031sounds like nothing.he is just complaining about some texture printed into the plastic.all those controllers use ABS plastic.
>>738157558Why are mouse and keyboard salesman so mad lately
>>738171320everyone already has a mouse and keyboardyou're the shills trying to get people to waste money on an overprized downgrade
>>738171320Really its xbox controller salesman.No gyro even, basically anything above 50 bucks on the market is objectively better.
>>738157558Just woke up. Feels pretty weird that it's actually today. OP is a faggot though, as always.FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>738171664>LET ME CONSOOM AND SUCK YOUR COCKcalm down shill
>>738157686Windows is a secondary platform to Valve. Get used to it.
>>738157736>>738157736This is really funny to hear when in a different thread I was unironicly getting accused by people in thread for being a cheater for combining gyro and joystick.Its either so useless its pointless, or su busted it should be banned.Very funny.Also to anyone going on about gyro being useless, this dude stated he bested his aimlab score with gyrohttps://youtu.be/5dsL1wgu2e8?t=200
>>738172759Gyro is the best way to aim with a controller, everyone already knows this and any cheap controller already does thisStill inferior to a mouse of course, the cheating comes from games having aim assist when you use a controller and doing the whole aiming for you to over compensate for not using a mouse
>>738167609Dualsence edge replaceable sticks that cost $20?
>>738173335Well, i definitely didn't have aim assist since both were mouse, and game has no aim assist anyway.I don't agree it's worse than mouse, but it's a very, very close sidegrade situation. Mouse is firmer, less prone to nervous jitter fuckups and more stable, gyro is faster, a little more intuitive, frictionless, and pairs extremely well with flickstick, mouse joystick, or pad input, covering the weaknesses of ONLY gyro.In a battle between the 2, it'd be a REALLY close call, as you can make really good case for fridge advantages for both. The fact aimlab score of gyro left mouse in the dust makes me figure it's generally just better on gyro If you care to learn it. And the fact you basically have 3 methods to input mouse at once, provides immense flexibility. And that bit about learning curve is important: pole vaulting was done with forward jump for years, then someone did it backwards. He was looked at like an autistic moron for a while, but after wins, backwards became standard. I think this might be the case with gyro. Its looked at as fringe kinda now, but there's evidence its better.
>>738173690>I don't agree it's worse than mousethen you're wrong
>>738173751Aimlab blowing mouse out the water in >>738172759Doesn't lie dude. He even tested multiple and og steam controller was the worst ranking, with switch, and ds4 doing better and leaving mouse in the dust by the same factor mouse leaves JOYSTICK in the dust.That's really, really, really hard to argue against especially when he's infinitely more used to mouse than gyro, so is probably more proficient with mouse, but still demolished mouse scores.You can argue preferences, you can argue fringe benefits, but you really can't say mouse is objectively better with data like that.
>>738169138How about a controller that functions well AND looks good? Did you think about that?
>>738173947>paid ad says it's goodokay shill
>>738173985I'm literally shilling for gyro in general according to you, which is made by steam, sony, 8bitdo, gamesir, and others, and with a YouTube video showing proof its better, and that og steam controller was actually worse at gyro than sony and Nintendo. Idk what kinda shill you call that, probably from BIG GYRO, whos out to get xbox.
>>738173957Wow, nobody has ever thought about that before in the history of mankind. You deserve a Nobel prize for you're astounding wit and insight. You've truly changed my, and everyone else's, lives for the better and are the smartest person to ever live. Please continue to post and add more of your astounding insight to the discussion.
>>738157558any single shooter game.Gyro activation with touchpad is vastly superior to gyro activation with trigger pull.Blunt trackpad aiming (fast sweeping motions) is also far superior to analog aiming.It isn't mouse tier, but it IS way better than sticks.
I'm mainly going to use trackpads for emulation hotkeys, this shit is so comfy on Deck.
>>738174946It REALLY is nice for neatly arranging like a dozen obscure little buttons for use.No other controller could I even fathom stuff like openxcom extended. Just couldn't have enough binds
>>738157558I'm going to play Civ V with the touch pads
>>738175038Im going to play Civ VI with them.
>>738175629I'm gonna play xcom enemy unknown with them until the dude at the base mentions civ, and then switch to openxcom extended because I don't own civ =[
I'll give you an example of a game I like playing with the trackpad: Neon AbyssI find the game to be ass with analogs. But I don't want to play something that's platformer like with a fucking keyboard either. The trackpad is closer to a mouse there, just saying
>>738175696All of the good Civ games are on sale for pretty cheap right now in the Steam Store.
>>738175808I appreciate that, but one, saving for sc, 2, not terribly even into civ. Thanks though!!!
It's hilarious that a rich man with a private jet with gold sinks recognizes that the controller is overpriced while a bunch of larping third worlders here are gloating about wasting $100 like it's their greatest achievement
>>738157558I still use the OG steam controller for playing Civ on the couch.Other than that I can't think of many uses.
>>738157558You are correct, but people will tell you that you aren't because they suck steams dick for free. Can't wait for people to pay $100 for the fisher price controller. They might even pick up babys first VR machine later (with inflated ram prices too)
>>738177291>normie retard who can't comprehend the trackpads thinks they're not worth the moneyWhat does this prove exactly?
>>738177806>normie retardhe made himself rich working with technologyyou're a third worlder larping as rich over a $100 scam
>>738157686I was going to buy 3 but now i might stick with 2 controllers only.
>>738157558>but there are no games people are going to actually play with themI've used them in every console port that was designed around controllers in the last decade since I bought the original Steam Controller. Also used them on the Deck to play stuff like Legend of Grimrock and SP FPS.Will continue to use them on the new controller too, feel free to resume the impotent seething :)
>>738177895If we are being honest, he didn't put enough time into them. Ffs when he previewed deck he had to be SHOWN stuff like doom weapon wheel. I kinda doubt he plays many games off camera, and probably doesn't experiment with them outside video creation.Pads are unparalleled in what a single input can do, but it's literally an IQ check if people can realize this
>>738169565Yes, you're bad at videogames
>>738173957I'm not a woman so only function matters. I'm sorry for your inhuman condition.
>>738178864>Says he gets headshots with controller gyro just fine>"U succ"I'll never understand why people on here think gyro is crap, and likely never even used it.
>>738157558If these are anything like the Steam Deck's, then they're the best thing you'll find in these controllers. Having the left act as the Left-click mouse button (but with just touching it) while you navigate with the right is literally a game changer for 90% of PC gaming. Heck, I'd argue it's even better than a mouse since you won't strain your fingers nor contribute to a dreadful CTS.
>>738157558The real secret of the trackpads is that they're for gyro activation. I know the sticks and rims are also capacity but it just doesn't feel right to me to activate gyro all the time.
>>7381578828 HOURS
>>738179092>If these are anything like the Steam Deck's, then they're the best thing you'll find in these controllers.Iirc They're SLIGHTLY larger than deck pads, but smaller than old sc pads.
>>738157558>Why are you guys shilling something that is not designed for ME.Jesus christ anon just get another controller>>738157686Windows btfo i guess
>>738179061You're not good at videogames. All you do is beat retard shitters.
>>738179813Here's a video of a dude "beating retarded shitters" in cs =)https://youtu.be/CSu4nAH1gm0?Sure seems to be killing them fast.
>>738167609Answer the question, console cuck.
>>738167609It's even worse, you're a tendie. You paid $90 for a controller that doesn't even have hall effect lmao.
give me a bunch of fun games on controller NOW
>>738179972Ok?Thats not you tho. You're a shitter who thinks he's good because he slapped bots in training-tier rank
>>738181241Its not about me (not that I'm original Anon anyway) but that calling gyro worse is retarded
>>738181218PragmataCastlevaniaI'm looking forward to using the touchpads for 4x and point n clicks thoughever.
yep i think im buying one
>>738157558>The touchpads are shilled as the selling point of this but there are no games people are going to actually play with themYeah, because they're in the shittiest position possible because of retards like you who keep crying about much thumbsticks, not because they're useless like you seem to think.
If for dumb games like deltarune the website is usually down when they get released I can't imagine being able to order this little shit today
>>738160759Oh yeah, it FEELS cheap. The same plastic they use for all other controllers and devices where it magically doesn't feel cheap even though it cost the exact same.Woman moment.
>>738182731This is what I've been saying, they said this about og sc, and never quantified it for shit. Best I heard was its light which is good.Besides that, nothing
>>738161904cant imagine typing without two trackpads for each half of the keyboard
>>738181665This is why you add funds to your Steam Wallet in advance so you don't have to bother with payment processors.
>>738161904>DesktopRotate thumb to scroll up or down.>GamesWhere to even begin...
>>738161904So you can have these command wheels on both trackpads if you wantYou can type with both instead of using the touchscreenYou can use the left one to move and the right one to aimYou can do gesturesUse them both to rotate shit in 3D if you wantExtra buttons, no one has enough buttons
>>738174110so you admit you're a shill.
>>738184571I've always wondered what psychologically it does to an Indian to know indians are hated, and so call opposition indian.We all know Microsoft is biggest victim of steam, and they hire a lot of h1b
>>738158379>can i get this thing without its selling point
>>738157558Lots of action and RPGs games, the most played games by anons, have aiming mechanics even if is nothing major. Every RPG has a bow that fucking sucks using on controller.
>>738158379>Can I get this motorcycle but without the engine? I just want to use my legs.
>>738158379>can i get this burger without the patty?
>>738158379>Can I get this prostitute without the sex please?
>>738157686What does it mean though? What features work and which do not? I assume touchpads, gyro and the back sensors would be fucked but otherwise would work. Also you can add non-steam games to steam which might help with the issues since you're essentially starting up other exe with steam overlay (and pad functions) injected into the game.
>>738186851Lizard mode is basically a hard set fallback that enables mouse, limited keyboard, ect as a fallback if there's no drivers, like Android or Windows. I've also heard you can switch lizard mode into a sort of controller mode which mimics Xbox, but that's unconfirmed
>>738186851What is this means is essentially on Windows and macOS (and android chinkhelds with ARM, until they port the driver I guess) the only thing you can do with the gamepad is use it as a mouse.On linux not "everything works out of the box" outside of steam, but it's detected and can be used in applications that support it using SDL. An example for this is the dualsense where on linux, you can use the touchpad without any extra application as a mouse, and some emulators can detect the microphone button as an extra button you can bind whatever you want. On linux there's an application built for testing dualsense's haptics wirelessly. Honestly, just to shut some people up, if I was valve at least I would allow very standard xinput outside of steam on Windows. You don't get anything but the xbox controller functionality, no extra bindings, standard vibration but hey, at least you can play your fucking xbox goypass slop or your gog games that you surely bought with real money instead of just downloading them from the same 4 fucking sites.
>>738184905Indians live in a culture of aura-farming, so knowing that you are hated for simply being indian is devastating.
>>738187554I've heard rumors that lizard mode has a second mode to basically emulate an xbox controller, specifically for lizard mode. Unconfirmed but that would be a real hot poker in the ass of all the "xinput", plebs
>>738187716I don't know if that's true, I don't doubt that at some point Valve would end up doing this shit because there's just way too many people complaining about it and I doubt it's that fucking complicated to implement, but for now, what we have is just a fucking mouse outside of steam on proprietary OSes. Fun fact macOS is weird about this shit and if you connect a dualsense, it has more functionality than it has on Windows. For whatever reason because who the fuck plays games on macOS
>>738187716Also there's something to take note of: The functionality in this controller seems poorly documented or at least some reviewers hit snags that are not normal.Russ (Retro Game Corps) couldn't get the controller to go into bluetooth pairing mode after having it paired already. It should be an easy process but he couldn't fucking figure it out for some reason. Apparently that's not fully documented (or maybe it is and that's just him being a retard). There might be some functions nobody knows about (or some firmware update needed) because Valve didn't bother to document that shit and that would include a xinput mode, but I'm not trusting anything until I actually see it (and that might take a while because some of these fucking reviewers are generally useless)
>>738187971Maybe they knew they're shipping product without full support which is why they laid out how the gamepad updates work in their youtube video. Valve posted video.
>>738157686GabeN is pushing steam and steamOS in general. I suppose the strategy is to make the controller only work on their ecosystem so when retards buy it and realize it doesn't work in their other windows games like BNet or fitgirl, they give up and download via steam instead. Kind of ingenious, but it being priced at $99 is counterproductive to that goal imo.
>>738177291hmm, wonder where he gets his money
>>738188153Nothing new about firmware updates adding functionality either way, for instance Mobapad added keyboard and mouse shortcuts to bindings + switch 2 wake up mode to controllers that didn't have that shit just through firmware.
>>738174110Nah he's right. Trackpads and gyro will never be close to mouse. No pros use it in any real competitive setting and never will. Now your premptive cope will be>they are just ignorant and refuse to practice with it!But if was truly good people would migrate anyways like how FGC uses leverless and pad now.
>>738162870Games aren't allowed to do cool shit like that unless they're exclusive these days, so that they can work the same way on Xbox/Switch/PS controllers. That's why barely any games support gyro because the Xbox controllers don't support it.
>>738177291Poor people think wasting money means they are rich, but it only makes them feel that way while real rich people laugh at them. Look at temu: it sells nothing but cheap chink shit but marketed as extravagant. Their tagline is literally "shop like a millionaire" and normies flock to it because they think they are rich for buying boatloads of garbage with their hard earned paycheck.
>>738188364>Trackpads and gyro will never be close to mouse. No pros use it in any real competitive setting and never willWuts dishttps://youtu.be/6KizNUtSToA?
>>738188482>real competitive settingIf you can show me a team of gyro and trackpads winning an actual tournament I will consneed.
>>738188349I don't use any new hardware that would have something like that. Last gen of gamepads that I bought were for PS3 and one xbox compatible knockoff. I expect hardware to do what it's supposed to do and for any extended options to be supported from application installed on the system itself.
>>738188614Does it count if i show a single controller dude mopping a team of keyboard people??https://youtu.be/CSu4nAH1gm0?I hope this is good enough T.T
>>738188616Well things change and functionality can be added. I wish my old ass 360 controller got updates so that I would stop having this problem with dinput games where I could not bind the analog triggers properly, that'd help a whole lot. But it stayed that way always.
>>738188716Is that a tournament? I'm not asking for starladder. Even a meme one like IEM would do.
>>738177291Most of /v/ isn't going to mess around with a bunch of $80-$200 third party controllers. The people that use a bunch of controllers will have different points of reference.
>>738188856No, but its extremely impressive shooting I'd feel like a big dick Chad pulling off with any gun, and multiple people refuse to believe he's using a controller, or feel devastated they lost Honestly if that vid doesn't convince you literally nothing will, he pulls off absolutely disgusting snap shots.
>>7381578823 HOURS, WAKE UP
>>738187446>I've also heard you can switch lizard mode into a sort of controller mode which mimics Xbox, but that's unconfirmedThe way it works on Steam Deck is that you can customize what the controller does in "Desktop Mode", and those settings are saved to the controller and function as configured even when Steam is off.
>>738189141All it will take to convince me is a gyro+trackdpad team winning a tournament just like how in FGC you have pad and leverless players winning supermajors over fight sticks.But since you can't provide proof of that then I was right. There's no need to keep digging your hole any further.
>>738157686>why did they do it?valve showed their hand early they wanted to go toe to toe with windows with their steam machine and SteamOSstill retarded choice because the masses are not going to move to SteamOS when its not even ready for any system who other than the Steam Machine
>>738189395Lmao. So a hypothetical team of half gyro wouldn't be enough? You're nuts
>>738187554I think the issue with the xinput for the steam controller is that valve would have to pay for a license. Basically Volvo would have to pay microcock (their competitor) to implement it for the steam controller
>>738189592It literally emulates xinput in steam input and drivers. Also I HEAR that lizard mode has a second setting that's basically just Xbox controller emulation in lizard mode, which if true, ABSOLUTELY NEGATE anyone comparing Xbox to steam controller at that point. Not confirmed though.
>>738189592Do they really? There's a gorillion pads out there with xinput mode, surely there's something they can do?
>>738189741Nigga, I don't care what "you heard", post the source.
>>738189524You can't even show me half a team of gyro+trackpad winning IEM tho?
>>738189592I mean even $20 chink and jeet controllers have xinput so the license can't be that expensive. Valve are just jews.
whats the chances the first week the steam controller is out someone will make a xinput software for it to work on everything without steam that will be a one and done install
>>738189809You are confusing popularity with ability homie. I literally showed you a compilation which I suspect is better than/as good as ANYTHING you could hope to do, and you keep moving the goal posts that its not as good as mouse.Really, should I Matter how many? You asked if gyro is capable, NOT if its widely used by pros originally. I proved its capable.And I'm sure if I provided a full team of gyro competing, you'd STILL cope somehow.
>>738189998about three fiddy
>>738189998isnt that literally what happened for the original steam controller
>>738189775I believe valves answer is to use steam software for the controllers, since xinput doesn't support half the features of the controller anyway. If xinput support is the main concern, why even buy the controller in the first place
can you still use the trackpads if you're on xinput?
>>738157686Take the Bazzite pill
>>738189998Someone will code it using AI within 30minutes.
>>738190271that is probably what people are worrying about with custom xinput
>>738190048You can just admit you can't prove it you know. No one will care or remember your embarassment after the thread 404s. Now go post more smiley faces in an attempt to be smug lol
>>738157740Holy shit, Joy Cons actually are $100. That's more than a blowjob
>>738158379It's like 310g so yes it's a super heavy controller
>>738157649>it’s insanely easy to crack headshots in tactical slayer(swat) and as punisherbecause controllers have aim assist you dumb groid. why do you think the retarded op said "cope with controller"? it's for aimlets.
>>738189998it already exists
>>738186851It means the controller has a DRMWithout steam running it's a brick
>>738190341hmm yes i enjoy going onto the internet and telling liesxbox controller is like 280g btw
>>738190341BEEG
>>738190438without steam running its no different than a normal controller
>>738190438>the STEAM controller bought through STEAM requires STEAM for STEAM input?>holy fuck louis
>>738190452>off by 2 grams>YOURE A LIAR
>>738157558>no games people are going to actually play with themThey're for you to configure. Games already support mouse input, so you set it to Mouse mode. That kind of thing. It works great.
>>738190494saar can't into math as welllollmao
>>738190271NoSteam Input is better anyways>but emulatorsThere are workarounds alreadyhttps://alia5.github.io/SISR/stable/#features-roadmap
>>738157558>you'd be retarded to play them without a mouse and keyboardYou'd be retarded to use a mouse and keyboard. Enjoy your carpal tunnel.
>>738190452most people are going to use the puck that adds to that weight
>>738190546emulators work OOTB with SDLalso they work just fine via Steam Input as a non-steam game
>>738190554And a 300g controller with ab aids grip is more likely to destroy your wrist btw
>>738190494Holy fuck lmao stop postingYou're embarrassing yourself
>>738190560the puck is for charging my man
>>738190560??????The puck is the wi fi receiver you tape on yout desk that also double as charger pad
>>738190546>>but emulators>There are workarounds alreadyNo. Bad. You add emulators directly to Steam, or you add ROMs to Steam via Steam ROM Manager.
>>738190678Oh shit I didn't realize
>>738190616It's not a heavy controller, this is a stupid meme. No one thinks the DualSense is heavy and they're the same weight.
>>738190687Honestly I don't care which as long as retards stop acting like its impossible. Its exhausting
Trackpads are more flexible, you don't really need, buttons, trackpads, and analog sticks. The buttons and sticks are there because using a trackpad is too abstract for most of the population to learn on their own. Gyro plus trackpads is realistically all you need. Most people can't actually figure out how to use the controller. Most of what you are reading is cope because of that. Next time you read a complaint, ask yourself, "can this person actually use and configure the trackpads and/or gyro"? The answer is no.
>>738190698nigga did you even read or watch anything?
>>738157686I have a laptop that I only use for gaming, and I run Ubuntu on it. Does it make sense to switch from Ubuntu to SteamOS?Or are they basically the same thing?
>>738160363>>738185612>>738185868>>738186680>>738186730NTA but I don't care about the trackpads at all, but I do care about grip sense.
>>738190894Yeah, for some reason I thought the wifi reciever needed to be magnetically attached to work
>>738191127I think you'll eventually get curious. One night you'll be on the couch, want to boot civ 5 or something, be too lazy to get to desk for mouse and think "wait....wait!!!!"Its ok man, takes a bit to click
>>738191130brother
>>738191224I wouldn't play on the couch
>>738191272¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lazy couch gamer bros it’s almost our time to shine…
>>738190236I'm guessing it's for people who do use steam but sometimes they don't want to have the client open when playing gog games or anything of the sort.To me it seems like a nitpick unless your system is short on resources enough, and that this whole "I'm concerned about DRM but I use DRM sometimes anyways" is really fucking stupid to me but what do you know. Like people who refise to use anything but open source software on fucking Windows.
>>738157686>we'll win over the console market by...fucking them over!its almost like becoming a multibillionaire makes you lose touch with reality
>>738191383this is just panam
>>738191668why the fuck would they want to sell controllers to mentally ill wincucks and consolecucks?
>>738189741>>738189865saaar controllers do not use xinput they emulate it
>>738172759>being a cheater for combining gyro and joystickif the game has aim assist for controller, then using gyro is 100% cheating imo
>>738190768Yeah it is. People are fiercely adopting misinfo and spreading it willingly.>>738191764No that's a tan.
>>738192673Considering aim assist doesn't apply to mouse no.
>>738181368I never did that.I called you a shitter for thinking your stats vs. bots are somehow impressive and valid to be used as an argument for or against anything
>>738189998>>738190303We've had that for more than 10 years already and it will work natively with the new Steam Controller. It's a non-issue only shills bring up.
