Do you like strong themes or analyzed themes in your story?
That's basically it. I will say KotOR 2 has a much better level of party interaction going on than 1, even though I like almost all of them less anyway.

>>738166398
the first one I think

>>738166398
Cop out but both have good and bad aspects.

>>738166398
Kotor 2 is like Lonesome road on steroids every character acts like Ulysses. Lots of big words and nonsense.

>>738166398
Are you all about nostalgia and memberberries? Then KOTOR, because it is literally just the OT with some shitty non-fan misunderstandings of aspects from the OT included (Palapatine was not electrocuting Luke to turn him to the Dark Side, goddamn retarded faggots). Do you actually like the Star Wars universe and its concepts? Then KOTOR2.

>>738166668
I said memes aside.

>kotor 1
>complete game
>fun characters
>kind of feels like you're the star of a Saturday morning cartoon (whether that's good or bad is up to you)

>kotor 2
>very much not a complete game
>deeper characters
>kind of edgier, more introspective, more cynical

>>738166398
Two wouldn't be as good without 1 and its not finished.

>>738166398
1 has better level design but a laughably generic story and characters
2 has great lore and characters but the level design is clearly unfinished

For as much deserved shit Kotor 2 catches for being unfinished, what it does to the d&d 3.5 gameplay is universally an improvement over 1.

>>738167671
>good level design
kashyyyk exists, though

>>738167716
No it isn't, levels over 20 actually shatter the game systems badly. Save DCs progress per-level and high saves still progress at 1/2 level, so you just autowin at a certain point if you picked the mass-disable spells.

>>738166398
One is an actual game instead of an unfinished soapbox with some good stuff in between.

>>738166398
Played through both recently, found 2's gameplay more fun.

>>738167786
You eventually become overkill but the whole tradeoff is between the nothing fucking matters in 1 and everything matters (until it's all a wash because you're OP) in 2.

Particularly out of combat checks are like fucking nothing in 1 and all over the place and very relevant in 2, too.

>>738167786
consider how useless the non combat skills are in kotor 1

Jolee
HK-47
Mission
Canderous/Mandalore
>Visas
T3-M4
>Atton
Zaalbag
>Kreia
Bastila
>G0-T0
>Mira
Juhani
>Handmaiden
Carth
>Hanharr
>Bao-Dur
>Disciple

As you can see here, the top end of good characters is dominated by Kotor 1 characters, and the bottom end where the bad characters reside is dominated by Kotor 2's unlikable, uninteresting fodder

>>738167773
and manaan
blech

>>738169148
Manaan only sucks on replay because you're just walking places and skipping dialogue because you know where things are and what the plot is. It's a kino area on the first go around.

>>738166398
KotOR 1 is actually complete as far as the story goes, as a kid I liked it more for that reason. But the skills are better in 2 and the characters are much more interesting.

>>738168637
Bastilla and Carth are the only actual characters in 1.
And I say that as an old Carth hater.

>>738169552
Carth is just executed terribly, his arc is very sensible and even good but the lines aren't great and the repeated [Carth wants to talk about something he will tell you he doesn't want to talk about] thing makes him look more like a whiny bipolar bitch to a first-time player when he's not meant to be.

>>738168637
>juhani that high

>>738169671
>ignorable shit character above forced, actively annoying characters
Yes?

>>738166398
KOTOR1 is cartoony in tone, it is less deep than the JRPGs I have played lmao

>>738166398
Peragus is dogshit and makes the start of kotor2 miserable. For that alone I'll say 1>2

>>738167671
this is pretty much the correct opinion. i dunno how they did it but after being on taris for 8+ hours roaming around the grasslands of dantooine is insanely comfy

>>738166398
1, 2 has good stuff but it is worse to play.

I don't know anything about Star Wars. Is the game still good?

>>738171438
Ye. Its combat is super basic tho.

>>738166398
I liked Kotor 1, but I loved Kotor 2

>>738166398
1 is much better 2 has some good ideas but a shitty cheap production

>>738166398
KOTOR 2 is the better RPG. KOTOR 1 is the better game

>>738171438
pretty decent if you can look past the ancient ass gameplay

>>738171438
>hear uncs jerk these games off my entire life
>finally decide to get them on sale on steam
>the combat is fucking point and click auto battling, you cant even play in widescreen without jumping through a million hoops and the story is just generic star wars gibberish
Never listen to uncs.

>>738172015
Actual uncs were calling KOTOR a garbage console RPG for babies.

>>738171438
The Jedi are the good guys with super powers. The Sith are the same guys but evil, with red color light sabers instead. Now you're all caught up.

>>738172015
Yeah it's real time with pause like the Dragon Age games before Veilguard. For whatever reason this combat style used to be popular back in the 2000's but it does feel exactly like auto-battling, you're just waiting for ability cooldowns to do literally anything.

>>738172015
People talked so much about how buggy and unfinished Kotor 2 was that I was actually quite surprised at how much better it was to play Kotor 2 than Kotor 1.

>>738166398
Are you a sub 100 iq who claps when he recognizes that reference? Then KOTOR1.
If you want Star Wars Noir, then the second game.

>>738166398
Moocha chaka paka

>>738166398
The second game

>>738172140
George Lucas stopped the production of KOTOR2 because it was so inauthentic. Only mongoloids prefer 2

>>738168637
G0-T0 is actually a genuinely funny character just nobody uses him.
Jolee is about as reddit as a character can get.
Juhanni is the worst character in either game.
T3 and Zalbar are non-characters in 1.
Mission basically doesn’t exist after Taris

>>738172140
2 is just an old woman being mean to you no matter what you say or do, maybe you're into that huh.

>>738172195
Avellone is a better writer than Lucas so who cares

>>738172195
Then George should have loved it, being King Mongoloid himself

>>738167137
Kotor 2 shits all over the themes and intentions of Star Wars. It's literally hipster shit made by and for people who think Star Wars is lame.

>>738172270
>>738172271
Star Wars went to shit when they gave it to Hollywood hacks, it might as well not exist in its current state

>>738172642
Agreed, Star Wars peaked with Kotor 2

>>738172195
Source: I made it the fuck up

>>738166398
Do you enjoy the OT and like finished games? Play KOTOR 1

Are you a literal redditor midwit that thinks gray morality is heckin deep past the age of 16? Play KOTOR 2.
>>738172140
Case in point.

>>738173019
No offense but you sound retarded.

>>738166398
1, but if you know about the twist going into it, the game falls flat.
2, without mods, is dogshit. But with mods, 2 is easily my favorite because I knew nothing about it going into it.

>>738173019
Grey morality and Kreia are absolutely right though. Those who have a monopoly on power and/or violence dictate. If people were being truthful, with themselves everything we do is ultimately self-serving. We treat our loved ones the way we do because we discriminate in their favour due to the social/familial benefits they bring. That's why you don't just marry anybody. They are compatible to YOU. We do good because even if it is with the best intentions, it serves a purpose of fulfilment within us.There is nothing inherently wrong with any of this btw, but people need to come down from their ivory towers and drop the bullshit.

>>738172276
>themes and intentions
The issue with Star Wars fags is that they leave no room in their mind beyond their own conceived notions of what Star Wars is, so nothing the franchise does can ever match the idea they have in their heads.

This goes doubly true for Lucas himself. If you listen to the history of his interviews, he changed his mind on the meaning and intent of the story countless times, in the micro and macro, and yet for his entire tenure was clearly never satisfied with anyone else's input on the franchise and considered anything that didn't come from him essentially fanfiction. He only sold off the property because he couldn't be assed to make anything personally himself anymore, and didn't trust anyone under him to do it without feeling that he had to step in and micromanage the project, and even when he sold it it was only when under the impression that his whims would still be treated as gospel.

Then of course Disney spent ten years raping the IP with a litany of directors who thought, "Surely, my idea of Star Wars is the true one", only to gradually transition into the blandest corporate assembly slop imaginable that acts out a pantomime with no thought or creativity involved at all.

The reason Kotor 2 is good is exactly because it's self aware on this problem and explores it without just turning into a subversion fetish.

>>738173019
Chris Avellone is a fan of the Original Trilogy, much of the criticisms toward the force in Kotor 2 was largely a response to the problems Avellone had with the Prequel films

>>738172276
Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>738166398
they're both fun

>>738173087
Sorry I don't like unfinished games who's defining feature is berating you for every choice you make because it's le deep.

Star Wars was always about simple good vs. evil plots. It's homage to soap operas and adventure serials, it's not some thoughtful franchise about intentions and deconstructing bullshit.
>>738173190
That's nice. Maybe would've meant something if Avelone knew how to better integrate that in the story that wasn't an old woman berating you for trying to act like a Jedi.
>>738173240
Good thing there's already a game that let's you roleplay as a Jedi without delving into prequel bullshit. It's called KOTOR 1.

>>738173212
>The reason Kotor 2 is good is exactly because it's self aware on this problem and explores it without just turning into a subversion fetish.
KOTOR 2 is subversion fetish: the game.

>>738173372
>Never read any of the dozens of EU books that came out pre-prequels
Your argument lacks serious knowledge.

>>738173212
its just "what if Jedi bad?" its not deep

>>738173372
>>738173442
t. Filtered by a beggar.

>>738173372
Kreia disagreeing with your decisions is such an overblown complaint it's insane, it's like 1 person said it as a joke and it has morphed into one of the major criticisms for people that haven't played it in 10 years

>>738173465
>Nooooo in order to understand thing you must know this ancillary things in order to understand it
So the game's narrative sucks on its own, not a very compelling argument for why it's good.

>>738173559
These "people" don't play video games. They just parrot bullshit they hear online about the games and formulate some culture war bullshit surrounding it. It's all they know. Utterly pathetic creatures.

>>738173559
It happens enough that it feels obnoxious, not to mention talking to her and trying to gain influence with her feels like a chore. I have only so much patience playing head games with fictional characters until it feels like work and not fun.

>>738166398
The first one. Better story, better characters, better locations, actually finished, properly balanced combat, etc.

>>738173562
You can keep being a disingenuous troll but OP said no memery, so you keep a being faggot. I am clearly referring to the soap opera drama delusions you're claiming all SW was about, whereas it had expanded long before kotor2 in the games and EU novels.

>>738166398
The first game was literally made for 6 year old Xbox kids.

>>738173667
>You can keep being a disingenuous troll but OP said no memery
Yeah, and memes aside, KOTOR 1 is the better game.

>>738173757
Kotor 2 is a better rpg

KOTOR 2 is good when you think it's smart, bad when you know it's not smart, then good again when you realize it's specifically about going against people who think they are smart. Kiera's entire "philosophy" is coping over constantly failing/getting betrayed, she cannot blame herself, so she blame something else, even the force itself. It's a mockery of "Grey" ideals from those who are just dark jedi.

>>738167671
>KOTOR 1
>laughably generic story

You did not play the game lmfao the story is not generic or predictable even if you take the good route. With the evil route the dialogue option choices/variety is incredible. Find me another game where you can convince a party member to kill another party member

>>738173809
ok but you can ignore her for most of the game, its not guaranteed youll interact with her bullshit

KOTOR 2 actually made Star Wars interesting. Could have been less pretentious but the more serious take was good.
Everything after maybe the first one or two movies has become too silly and cartoonish. The first Star Wars movie actually had atmosphere and all the magic shit was more vague and secret. The atmosphere was dark and it was grimy. All the new stuff is a cartoon, it all looks like Disney slop even before Disney bought it.
KOTOR 2 is more in line with what Star Wars originally was, but also tries to poke holes into the good vs bad thing which was present from day 1.
The atmosphere in KOTOR 2 was insane.

>>738173809
>I agree with character therefore game good
>actually I disagree with character so game bad
>no actually character making fun of thing I no like, game good
the biggest retard in the thread

>>738173809
Kreia is the epitome of woman logic. Hell hath no fury as they say.

>>738174136
No it's
>wow this game has a nuanced take on the force
>what the fuck so it's bullshit
>oh I get it, it's because she's full of shit on purpose

>>738172276
Sounds like you need to learn critical thinking, which is a ((YOU)) problem.

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>>738166398
KOTOR1 has more chemistry between the party and the members.
The story had a good twist back in the day that you will see coming from a mile away nowadays, similar to the
>I AM YOUR FATHER
moment.
It was a quite refreshing twist before the games industry became so riddled with the trope, even if KOTOR1 wasn't the first game with this twist it still way moderately fresh.
In KOTOR2, Kreia is really good but all characters will feel like a background character compared to her (villains aside), which can make the game feel stale quickly.

In short, the KOTOR1 party characters individually may not be as detailed as KOTOR2, but the party will feel like it's leveled out. Like most characters are actually part of a party and not just backdrop for the more detailed characters.
Because of that, the side-quests happening on your ship will also feel that more people has an opinion rather than those who will simply steal the spotlight.

>memes aside
No. Have a meme.

>>738166398
2 isn't even finished
FUCK OBSIDIAN

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>>738173981
Star Wars made Star Wars interesting

>>738166398
I liked the second one more, the first was good though

Reminder that anyone that says 2 is good is an Obsidiantroon

>>738173509
>its just "what if Jedi bad?"
I don't understand how people come away from KOTOR 2 thinking that's the message.

>>738166398
KOTOR is basically all Star Wars is meant to be at its core. Simple archetypal story telling. KOTOR2 is a good experimental take on SW, but its novelty wears out quick.

>>738174469
2 is good maybe even better, but the idea 1 is bad is RLM-drome discourse. And even they have admitted theyre kinda wrong

>>738174206
There is more to a video game than one character
>durr this atmosphere and music is BAD because Kreia said something WEIRD
>wow, I was enjoying this gameplay and this new skill build but Kreia said something DUMB
>oh shit, this moment with this burnt evil sith guy chasing me through this abandoned ship is so tense and atmospheric, this is pure kino, but wait a sec do I agree with Kreia????

>>738173620
>d trying to gain influence with her feels like a chore. I have only so much patience playing head games with fictional characters until it feels like work and not fun.
partially your fault for trying to play an RPG like a checklist sim. What does going for max Kreia influence actually net you? Why not just RP a character and get all these dialogues organically?

>>738174497
because that's the message, every step of the way

Just started KOTOR1, it is worth to stay at level 2 and hold leveling up until becoming Jedi?

It's absolutely insane how ''people'' on /v/ ''play'' ''video games''
When I played Kotor 2 I am just enjoying the game. Some old woman is in my party, whatever. She says something, I don't give a fuck, I am enjoying the game. The whole game was not dialogues with Kreia and I paid very little attention to her.
But then you look at any discussion and all they talk about is Kreia. The only thing they talk about. They are obsessed with her. The entire game hinges on whether or not they like her. If they don't like Kreia then the game is bad and if they like her then the game is good.
Absolutely insane. Tranny mental illness.

>>738174520
>2 is good maybe even better
no it's shit, go fucking kill yourself tranny

>>738174658
yes

>>738174658
You don't have to mini max much in the first game I wouldn't worry anon. Normal is a good challenge but not an ass fuck like the 2nd game with weird difficulty spikes

>>738174680
It's better than Kotor 1

>>738174574
is it just because the Jedi Masters turn on you? the Jedi Masters are just doing what they think is right, they aren't evil or whatever for most of the game they're trying to defend planets from actual evil people. the story is full of Jedi doing noble things, Atton's backstory is his regret betraying a Jedi who was trying to save his life and even after torturing her and on the brink of death her last act is to try and save him

>>738174680
settle down young man, no one is mad at you (1 is better though)

>>738174783
it's not even a finished fucking game, obsidiantroon

>>738174674
Kreia is the mother all boys have pulling the strings in their lives from the shadows. Most men never realise this thoughbeit.

The popular opinion here seems to be that KOTOR 2 is bad. Which means that KOTOR 2 must actually be good. Thanks for the game recommendation guys.

>>738174790
They abuse their position of power routinely yet believe they have moral authority to set the narrative on Revan, Malak, and you the Exile. The surviving council members all represent a fatal flaw in the jedi system that allows them to abuse power whilst being ignorant of the fact they are doing so.
>Vrook
Symbolises the arrogance of elitism
>Kandar
Ignorance created by blind faith
>Atris
Cowardly envy borne of inaction that leads to Fear
>Zez Kai Ell
The only one who shows true regret when you meet him on nar shaddaa on his own, but when he is reunited with the council on Dantooine in a LS playthrough he reverts back to his previous train of thought. Herd mentality.
Note that Dorak and the other guy from kotor1 are no longer around because their characters in 1 are 1-dimensional, so any elaboration would seem like an ass-pull.

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>>738166398
KOTOR 2 doesn't have Mission in it, making it the worse game of the the two.

>>738166398
2, but install the restored content mod

>>738175292
see in a few days when you make a KOTOR 2 is shit thread

>>738175391
KOTOR 1 doesn't have Mission in it either towards the end if you know what I mean

>>738174821
And yet it's still better.

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>>738166398
Kotor 2 made builds other than 'strength jedi' and 'force lightning jedi' viable
Kotor 1 has Mission (very breedable)

It's a toss up desu

>>738166398
Can't stand KOTOR 1 anymore. The scenarios are extremely cringe. Every other interaction is some alien racism allegory. The PC's dialogue options all read like a brain damaged toddler. KOTOR 2 is flawed but it wins by default.

>>738175391
I never knew understood why people are so horny for this blue sausages-head bitch, she is annoying and not a particularly good character and not even sexy. Zalbaar I usually keep around until I can get Canderous but mission is gone ASAP.

The first one and it's not close.

I remember how hyped I was as a kid when I saw that concept art of the white girl jedi fighting Nihilus on gaming magazine covers. Only to get actual dogshit when the game came out.

Played 1 to the end multiple times. Got to the bit where you have to solo as the droid though some caverns in 2 and dropped the game. Barely remember anything other than the Handmaiden and Kreia. And from the start I was thinking 'Kreia is going to betray me'.

>>738166398
I personally prefer Kotor 2 but 1 is more polished and complete

Are there any mods that allow you to romance Mira in 2?

>>738166398
Kotor 2, until the ending planet
Kotor 1's ending planet, fuck the rest of the game
Those are the peaks of those games.

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Only one way to play 2

>Silver lightsaber because Imperial Knights were neat
>Black robes
>Rockin tits and ass underneath the robe
>Force Storm as primary means of attack
>FULL LIGHTSIDE
>Told the Masters you would kill any of them if they touched you
>Still try to save Kreia

>>738166398
the second one, the first one is too generic while the sequel has some fun ideas even if they aren't executed in the best way possible

>>738166398
1 is a better game, 2 is more interesting narratively.

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>>738166398
The second game has more feats/powers/crafting and lets you reach epic levels so it's automatically better

>>738177004
>and not even sexy
Best ass in the galaxy.

>>738177004
FAG

>>738166398
For me, 2

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>>738177004
Man, imagine being this gay. Couldn't be me.

>>738177827
based and exile-pilled

>FULL LIGHTSIDE
>spams the most comically evil looking power in the game
>black robes
>threatens geriatric space wizards

this is why Kreia malds the entire game. You’re the galaxy’s nicest psychopath.

Real optimal play is:

>silver/viridian saber because aesthetic > lore
>jal shey armor for that minmax drip
>consular into weapon master because balance is a lie
>force storm everything anyway
>max persuade so you can tell the masters to fuck off diplomatically
>still try to save Kreia because mommy issues transcend the light/dark binary

KOTOR 2 isn’t about alignment, it’s about being so absurdly overpowered that philosophy becomes optional.

>>738174469
as opposed to being a Biowaretroon?

>>738166398
KOTOR 1 doesn't let you level out of the content. In 2 they raised the levelcap but the only enemy above the old levelcap is Thraya. That's why you can sleepwalk through Malacor with no party members.

>>738179058
KOTOR2 has level scaling. Everything is at an appropriate CR for whatever the player character is. It's just you're that broken.

>>738177004
She's 12.

>>738166398
It's obviously kotor 2 and it's not even close lol, 1 was made for children and brainlets (Star Wars fans).

First one is polished but mediocre.
Second one is unpolished (and unfinished) but good.

>>738177004
Sneak Attack OP.

>>738173912
>the story is not generic or predictable even if you take the good route.
I was 10 years old and saw the plot twist coming a mile away even before I had left Taris. It's incredibly generic and predictable and they keep getting in your face about it too.

>>738172015
Unc here, please don't end your worthless broccoli existence

>>738175391
Ok pedo

>>738174573
>partially your fault for trying to play an RPG
half* an RPG, the game is not finished (even with the community patch)

>>738177081
Maybe you should have taken the dogshit back to the store and swapped it for the actual game

>>738177280
Korriban is the peak of KOTOR1

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>>738166398
Unironically both. First game made a great set up for the second game and both have GOD-tier aesthetic and visual design

>>738172276
>Kotor 2 shits all over the themes and intentions of Star Wars.
Quite opposite. Unlike so many Star Wars products (including content endorsed and made canon by Lucas, like TFU) it's actually managed to emphasize, not undermine, Luke's story.
>It's literally hipster shit made by and for people who think Star Wars is lame.
You do realize Lucas himself was a hippie (predecessors of hipsters)?

>>738171438
No

>>738166398
KOTOR 1 is the beter Star Wars game
KOTOR 2 is the better game.

>>738166398
>KOTOR 1 has grey force users that are basically just reasonable Jedi going their own way
>KOTOR 2 has Kreia who keeps saying a bunch of Randian nonsense which, if the Light ending is to be believed, was all just a test of character and she just wanted you to purge oldfags and revive the Jedi order
Also I can't believe 2 tries to push this "Light and Dark both bad" shit story-wise but penalizes you for keeping the meter in the center by locking you out of prestige classes.

>>738170446
Peragus is very good the first time round because of the creepy atmosphere, then fucking terrible for the next five or so playthroughs. After that you realise you can blast through it in twenty minutes.

>>738186034
>>738170446
Not that Citadel and Telos are much better. The game is just shit until Nar Shadaa.

>>738186220
Actually yeah. The real truth is understanding Peragus is a great start and that Telos- both station and surface- is the worst part of either game.

>>738186025
You could view it as taking a sacrifice for the sake of balance and the "best" ending.

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>investing in ranged combat feats in KotOR1 is a waste because the game desperately wants you to play as a lightsaber-wielding Jedi
>KotOR2 adds a bunch of new feats that make playing as a Jedi gunslinger perfectly viable

Are there any actually good mods that are more or less complete and ready to play for these? I'm talking quest mods, not restoration.

Is that starfield star wars mod worth playing now?

they had a tremendous lack of aliens though, they should've put more

>>738166398
>gameplay writing and grafix
Kotor 2
>story and characters
Kotor 1

Kotor 2s story isnt even finished and characters just randomly disappear at the end because they couldnt finish the cutscene and level. Baodur apparently goes to the sith lords ship and crash lands it into the planet which is why hes there and why baodur is gone, he dies off screen lol.

That and the TK bot plotting just vanishes after the 3rd encounter with no explanation. Its fortunately really well written and make logical improvements on the game play from the first one like making your allies jedi/sith and dual wielding iirc.

>>738189995
>they had a tremendous lack of aliens though
More than any of the trilogies main casts.
Mission, Juhani and Zalbar in the first
Bao-Dur, Visas, Handmaiden (and optional Hannhar) in the second.

>>738175318
>Vrook
I swear he could have easily been a Sith agent the way he just took everything you sacrificed to bring the few remaining Jedi togethor to fight a threat and then say they will do nothing, except cut you off the force to preserve their dying belief system by killing the one that intends to save it.

>>738190346
>Handmaiden
Counting Eidenians or whatever they're called as aliens is a joke. What's next, Mandalorians are aliens too? Ditto for Visas who is just from the "Blind Human" species.

>>738166398
1 is better. Better planets with more stuff to do on them besides following the main story (Nar Shaddaa and maybe Dxun are the only Kotor 2 planets that are comparable). Also cool lore about an ancient empire that predates Jedi and Sith and you learn how it influenced varous planets in the galaxy. Kotor 2 in comparision always felt pretty empty and lifeless (even if it fits the story)

>>738166398
1st game easy. I don't got a retarded old woman yapping at me 24/7.

>>738166398
>KOTOR 1
First SW superweapon that actually makes sense and would be useful for galactic conquest
>KOTOR 2
Big dumb bomb made of REGRET and SADNESS (thematically not literally)

>>738190702
>Counting Eidenians or whatever they're called as aliens is a joke.
As opposed to pantorans or zeltrons?

The old republic is just a cool setting.
>before the galaxy was unified under 1 power
>outside groups like the cartel and sith lords are powerful players
>minor groups like the jal shey and handmaidens
>planets still figuring out solutions to problems
>theres inefficiency
>theres shortages of fuel and food
>people debate
>the struggles of reality are more apparent
>crime is a problem
>urban centers are dirty and dangerious
>rural areas are under developed and mauraded
>refugees and slaves are shuffled around
Its a good place to just vibe out a cool space game. Sucks it doesn't get used as much. Every time starwars gets gritty, its great. Like republic commandos

>>738166398
I like 1 more.

2 is a buggy unfinished mess as a game, and the writing is a little bit too enamored with Nietzschean philosophy in a way that isn't integrated as well as it could be with both Star Wars philosophy and the events of the game.

>>738166398
Kotor 2 is more interesting and unique writing/lore wise, Kotor 1 is a more finished game/experience.

>>738191307
>in a way that isn't integrated as well as it could be with both Star Wars philosophy
Prequel tranny, plz

>>738191073
Pantorans and Chiss are at least blue. That Pantoran chick from Clone Wars was one hot piece of blue fuckmeat, damn.

>>738191348
It's just a poor fit, because they try to use Star Wars as the premise and then dump a bunch of unrelated Nietzchean morality navelgazing into the mix. Hypothetically maybe you could do that well but the execution isn't really there in this case.

>>738177827
>>Rockin tits and ass underneath the robe
Imagine having to take Disciple over Brianna.

>>738191424
>It's just a poor fit, because they try to use Star Wars as the premise and then dump a bunch of unrelated Nietzchean morality navelgazing into the mix.
>unrelated

>>738166398
I liked 2 more. But mostly the writing carries the game pretty hard.

>>738183259
Korriban > Manaan =Tatooine > Taris > Dantooine > Rakata Prime >>> Kashyyyk

>>738166398
1 was more fun.

>>738190572
Vrook was just an asshole and not even in the Sith way.

The best part of the kotor series is peragus 2.

>>738169370
>Replay 1 less than 2
>Do a replay after so many years I forgot Manaan was a thing
>Enjoy it all over again
Oh yeah, it was gaming time. At least until I had to go underwater.

>>738166398
https://youtu.be/OI2iOB8ydGo?si=lzh0PfeHE0o0eZE6

This doesn't focus on gameplay really, but it's a very good video essay comparing the two games from a story and writing perspective.

>>738166398
I mostly just like the presentation and locations better in KOTOR 2 so that one

>>738166398
I played Kotor 1 only once but replayed Kotor 2 many times so I'm biased towards Kotor 2

>>738166398
2 is a better game and you become a Jedi faster so the game opens up much faster.
1 has the better story assuming you don't know the twist.

>>738191387
>Pantorans and Chiss are at least blue.
And Echani are silver-haired

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>>738166398
Kotor 1 is a classic Star Wars story at it's best - nothing revolutionary, the twist is good, the cast is goodand it's overall enjoyble
Kotor 2 is a direct challange against a classic Star Wars story that is willing to ask questions about it's universe that literally nothing else ever did before, the cast is the anthitesis of a "good guy party", and the scene at the Jedi Enclave is probably the single best moment in any Star Wars medium ever. However it is clearly an unfinished rushed jank, and it needed 2-3 years more in the stove to become an actual masterpiece.

Both are 10/10 Star Wars games

>>738199109
>Kotor 2 is a direct challange against a classic Star Wars story
Original Trilogy is classic Star War story, not Prequels.

>>738174674
The devaluing of The Crone has been catastrophic for society

>>738167137
>Palapatine was not electrocuting Luke to turn him to the Dark Side, goddamn retarded faggots
What?

>>738178976
Obsidian beat them to it by several years

>>738182278
Well I wasn't planning to at all but thanks for your concern, unc.

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>>738166398
KotOR2.

>>738173509
>its just "what if Jedi bad?"
So just like PT but without miscasts?

>>738199439
NTA but the OT is pretty clearly a "good guys and bad guys" story. When speaking to Yoda, Luke even says
>But how will I know the good side from the bad?
in reference to the Force and the Dark Side. The themes of the KotOR2 are all centered around the idea that bad things can be the result of noble and well-meaning actions that the "good guys" take. It's a challenge to the classic Light vs Dark mentality based on the morality of outcomes vs intentions. Was Revan a good guy even when he was waging war simply because it led to the strengthening of the Republic and downfall of the Sith Empire? That's a question posed directly in KotOR2, and the OT movies never really go down that type of road. No one was seriously ever like:
>Hey, maybe the Emperor and Vader are actually good because they were secretly trying to clean the government of corrupt politicians and have a "rebellion" of noble and earnest people replace them.
But that's the entire theme of KotOR2, and Kreia is definitely not the only character who brings that stuff up.

>>738166398
kotor 2 has a better story, character, RPG mechanics, combat, and soundtrack. restored content is a requirement though

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Why can't we have actual mature themes and writing in other Star Wars medium?

>>738201156
Because Disney has decided it's a franchise for children so it's not allowed to be good anymore.

>>738200780
>NTA but the OT is pretty clearly a "good guys and bad guys" story.
And so..?
>The themes of the KotOR2 are all centered around the idea that bad things can be the result of noble and well-meaning actions that the "good guys" take.
Actually no. You are failing to see that this is just a starting point of Kreia's critical view on the Force.
Also, OT had it as well, when Ben didn't want to tell Luke about his father true identity and was ugring Luke to kill Vader in Return of the Jedi. And Luke's rejecting blind following of old jedi order dogmas was actually a key to defeat the Emperor.
>>Hey, maybe the Emperor and Vader are actually good because they were secretly trying to clean the government of corrupt politicians and have a "rebellion" of noble and earnest people replace them.
Revan wasn't Emperor or Vader, although he shared some basic traits with PT Anakin.

>>738201962
>Disney
George, did it first.

1 because it's a solid fantasy adventure with a plot twist at the end.

>>738202107
True

>>738166398
I never actually finished the second game although it was pretty good the amount I played. I beat the first one I think at least 4 times maybe even 5 or 6 times. I know I had used each of the 3 regular classes and jedi classes. I really hope Sony never remakes the game.

>>738166398
I'm buying Kotor 2 on sale right now. If it's bad I'm suing all of you to get my $3.67 back.

>>738204731
The opening few hours are infamously quite mid, so I guess keep that in mind

>>738191165
>before the galaxy was unified under 1 power
The galaxy was never unified under 1 power. Even the empire had barely any control over parts of the galaxy like the outer rim.

Both play like ass. Just watch the movie edits.

>>738205190
Oh ok, is that story wise or gameplay wise? I like the SW universe and liked Kotor, so don't mind it as long as the story to it is good.

>>738166398
Honestly the first one is better to play. The second one feels more like old school Star Wars, so it's slightly more enjoyable for that.

>>738206085
Gameplay wise. The game doesn't open up until you leave the 2nd planet.

>>738205190
>>738206085
Nta but I thought gameplaywise the opening was mid, but atmospherewise it was utmost kino. Kinda confusing timeline of events, but that's par for the course with kotor2

"Find what you were looking for amongst the dead?"

>>738166398
I don't see any argument for 1. Even if you dislike the writing in 2 the gameplay is still all around better.

1 is better

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When I was a kid, I had autism for Star Wars. I really should replay these games someday. From my memory, Kotor 2 had better roleplaying due to not having the twist of 1. Maybe I'll emulate Kotor 1 because I'm too lazy to download fixes for the PC version.
Also, I'm still sad with how SWTOR turned out. EA could have made one of the best Star Wars games with multiplayer, but as always with EA, their shortterm greed damaged the game in the long run.

>>738166398
Kotor 1 is the better game
Kotor 2 is the better story

>>738166528
You're kinda mocking it with a statement like that, thougheverbeit.
A story shouldn't really self-analyze. That sounds like a misuse of themes. It sounds better to be a story with themes where you have to pick up on the subtext so you can analyze it for yourself, than a story that explicitly analyzes itself so you don't have to pick up on it yourself.

Semantics aside, I think KOTOR is the overall best one, but I do like the darkness of KOTOR2 and some of the explorations of the dark side's allure, like characters seemingly fighting their own feelings. I remember everything about the Handmaiden as being incredibly interesting.

>>738208667
>Kotor 1 is the better game
say that to my fully upgraded dual Mandolorian Disintegrators

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>>738166398
kotor 1 obviously

t. played them both the past 2 months

nar shadaa (and some of onderon, but dxun sucks) is like the only fun planet in 2, while every planet in kotor 1 is genuinely enjoyable (but tatooine is kinda short)

>>738166398
KOTOR1

>>738209235
Taris, Manaan, and Kashyyyk are shit.

>>738211852
I'll give you Kashyyk but Taris was kino and Manaan even on the (literal) surface was the Cold War Berlin they still chased in TOR

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I like kashyyyk

>>738211852
kashyyk kinda sucks yeah actually, other 2 are cool and fun though

>>738166398
They both suck but the general consensus is 1 Is only good if you play it on switch & 2 is only good if you buy it on steam.

>>738212394
Why is it better on Switch?

>>738212772
NTA, but basically the PC version is just at that age where it's harder to run on modern PCs/operating systems without fan patches. Kotor 2 got freshened up, but the first one never did.

Which kotor waifu are you fapping to for star wars day? For me it's Mission. I was 14 when the game came out so it's not pedo. Romeo and Juliet laws or whatever
>>738212772
>>738213230
Yeah the console releases seem to be fine. It's backwards compatible on xbox so I replay it there. I don't know why 1 never had the support and mods that 2 got

>>738213230
You can fix it if you're not a technologically illiterate retard who doesn't know how to drag and drop files.

Both are great, but I gotta give it to 2 overall (with patches).
Don't forget that KOTOR 2 doesn't force you go first on every fucking pazaak round