Whats the point of buying games when they can be taken away form you at any moment, and the only thing holding the whole system is a "trust me bro, i wont take away your game"btw you're trusting the same companies that are against providing offline versions of their games because it would "cost too much" according to them.(you) are being SCAMMED
these are the companies i mentioned, they are against offline modes and against stop killing games.you cant trust them.
Its software, its always been licensed.
maybe you should just play your video games instead of worrying what will happen in 100 years
>>738191364I buy games because it's convenient, the download speeds are fast, and the Denuvo cracking rate is low. Also, I like multiplayer features and having the most up to date version of the game at all times.
>>738191364>Whats the point of buying gamesSo you can support the dev if you aren't a bitter socially inept incel chud of course.
any day now those games will be taken away. just two more weeks!!! the end is nigh!!!!!!
there are DRM free games on steam retard, it's purely a choice of the devs to add it in the game. you are focusing on the wrong thing unless you expect Steam to start forcing no DRM rules which will happen like never.
>>738191409you cant trust any human period
>>738191364Did you also "own" games when your friends could just steal them from you, natural disasters could take them, divorce settlements caused you to lose half of them, or maybe one day your PS2 was just feeling cute and decided to eat one of your disks? Hypocrite much?
Who the fuck is paying for shilling GOG on here? I want that job.
The point of paying for a game is to support the developer, publisher, and distributor. You chose to patronize the industry rather than pirate. You don't own the game or a copy of the game because there's NO SUCH THING as owning software. If that doesn't sit right with you then just stop buying games.
>steam sissies already malding
>>738191713Just say you like taking it in the ass faggot
>>738191364Yeah, dude, the company that cleared 16 billion last year is totally going to fold soon.
>>738191669i still have my ps1 & ps2, and i still have all the games and they still work :)
>>738191713do you think that guy knows how much of a meme he became?
>>738191713>hypothetical apocalyptic scenario where valve randomly deletes all your games>torrent them all backwow that was very distressing and scary
Yeah lets just get these posts out of the way so we can /thread
>>738191775I have every PSX and PS2 game, and they work on PCSX2 and Duckstation.
>>738191784Doubt he's aware at all, got the check from stock or whatever and went on with his life.
>>738191364Paying for downloads was always retard behavior.
Best way to preserve games are to pirate them. Using Steam is just a way to play games the easy and comfortable way. And you Support the devs. When I want to archive a game for the future I would just download a pirate version of it.
there are no physical copies anymore. even if you get one you still need internet connection and an account to play it.
>>738191789>valveyou're so dumb, publishers like ubisoft already did this and steam obliged. you dont own nothing but a rental. sissy
>>738191907Did what?They can take games from the store, they can't take games from your library after you've already purchased them
>>738191954>he doesnt know
>>738191364>Whats the point of buying games when they can be taken away form you at any momentThis is why I don't buy physical and only buy digital. So many physical games have been taken from me. But I have my entire digital collection still.
>>738192064>But I have my entire digital collection still.you dont own the games at "your" collection. just licenses to access them. me on the other hand got all my discs here and no one can tale them from me.
>>738191624Steam itself is DRM
>>738192291A console is DRM as well
Please tell me how steam or gog is gonna break into my house to steal my game downloaded to my hard drive
>>738192187Sure, but your discs have a finite life span. Give it another ten or fifteen years and they'll degrade enough to the point you won't be able to properly read them. Meanwhile, I can still download Steam games, even delisted ones, that I bought nearly twenty years ago.
>>738192187I own them. It literally says I do.
>>738192436>he belives in disc rotMY copy of resident evil 1 that i got back in 98' still works :)
>2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'license') to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.>17.2. Our right to terminate the Agreement. If you materially breach this Agreement, we reserve the right to suspend or cancel your access to GOG services and GOG content. By material breach of the Agreement we mean a serious breach which could cause significant harm to GOG, GOG users, as well as, in particular breach of the provisions of section 11 above or GOG Code of Conduct. If we suspend or cancel your access to GOG services or GOG content we'll take reasonable steps to contact you to explain why we have done this and what (if anything) you can do as a result.
>>738192361OOOOO
>>738192361Good thing I don't play games at all.
>>738191775>i still have my ps1 & ps2, and i still have all the games and they still work :)>>738191846>I have every PSX and PS2 game, and they work on PCSX2 and Duckstation.
>>738191660You are placing lots of trust on many people right now.
>>738191364I own these games
>>738192431If Gabe Newell can come to your house to deliver a Steam Deck, he sure as shit can come to your house to take your games
>>738192040He's right and you're a retard
>>738191364I pity Americans. Don't even own their games LMAO.
>>738191669Consoles scratching disks is not uncommonI prefer my license to be immaterial
>>738191364It's not even about that. Entire point of "having a licence" is you can't sell it on your own.
>>738191364>WeSpeak for yourself normie, I own every game I've ever bought because I only buy games I can own. The rest of the frogs can slowly boil while squeaking stuff like this >>738191491Assuming I won't abandon every single game I can't own was their first mistake. Slopeaters with 0 standards can drive the corpse of the industry further, see how many fucks I give.
>>738191364>anymoreYou been in a coma for 26 years?
Do you have a better way of stopping piracy?
>>738193541When you buy a game a hot chick has to come to your house and install it for you.
>>738193541>Do you have a better way of stopping piracy?We don't, leave the scene alone you kike
>>738193429>I own every game I've ever bought because I only buy games I can ownpost them
>>738191364I officially moved over to GOG last year. I decided that any dev/publisher that refuses to put their game on literally the only consumer-friendly platform are pieces of shit that should not be financially supported. Any games that I do want that aren't on GOG get pirated. Fuck steam, fuck EGS, fuck all the other ones that are on steam, but force you to use their launcher even though you bought it on steam.
>>738193635No. If it's hard for you to imagine a stack of game boxes + consoles then your brain is fried.
>>738193604Now that's the superior service Gabe Newell told us about
>>738193740larping faggotbet you play live service shit like gacha games
>>738191907>ubisoftNo wonder they're crashing and burning lol
>>738193781Cope by imaginary scenarios.
Lets say, hypothetically, steam gets hacked and the account database is wiped. You think Gaben will just give every user all of the games on steam? You know, better assume innocent than guilty etc etc.Why would he keep all the games to himself anyway?
>>738193604Someone post that webm of the kid winning a Tomb Raider contest and a cosplay chick delivers a graphics card to him
>>738192641Good thing you can just download the whole installer and give no fucks.
>>738194041Unfortunately Steam and Valve doesn't operate on hypotheticals
>>738191364>the same thread multiple times every dayWhy?
i rent my house
>>738193709Any games I want that are on GOG get pirated. I refuse to support devs who value their games so little that they give them away for free.
>>738194130That GOG makes it slightly easier to pirate their games in case they decide to try to fuck you doesn't mean this isn't an option for steam. Not that either ever have.
>>738191364Go on and resell copies of your GOG installer, that you own, and see what happens
>>738194164But I thought steam libraries were more resistant to catastrophes. The games would be right there to download...why would he keep them :(
>>738194294Idk are you saying that gog shouldn't be allowed to close any account ever for any reason?
>>738194287>Man I ate a 100 dollars steak yesterday>Oh was it good>It was 100 dollarsGolem npc mentality.
>>738191364>buy my game on Steam because i'm white and the entities involved in the creation and distribution of the good or service i receive are entitled to my money>install>copy onto my giant hdd>apply crackIt's literally that simple.
>>738191364>Whats the point of buying games when they can be taken away form you at any momentbecause not being taken away from me is not one of the reasons why i'm buying the game.i buy the new $70 resident evil, i play it for 8 hours, and i uninstall it. why would i ever need to download it again?
>>738194585>I ate a 100 dollars steakesl
>>738191364>We dont even own our games anymoreyou never owned it in first place, the companies now just have an easier way to get rid of it
>>738194739Yes, esl.
>>738194785Pretty sure I sold an old copy of pokemon emerald for 200 euros recently.
>>738191364You can sell DRM free games on Steam too, it's not illegal
I don’t understand the point of these threads. My Steam library isn’t going anywhere. The only time a game can be “taken away” is if you do some heinous shit to get your Steam account banned, but at that point you have to be doing straight up criminal shit so you deserve more than your games being taken away.I own the games I buy and I will have them for the rest of my life. It’s that simple.If my library is ever taken away I will personally come back to /v/ and make an apology thread. But until then you’re retarded
>>738191669Yes, you sure did own it!. See, losses like that are actual, tangible, valuable losses. They're called "casualties," in fact. Theft and natural disaster are both insured against, for example; your house is burgled and games are stolen, or it catches fire and your game burns, and your insurance company will reimburse you for your loss. Because it's "property," see?>Bitch takes half your shitbrother, did you know that also applies to online assets, and especially greedy cunts have actually gone after people's online game collections/subscriptions in divorce proceedings too?Does this disingenuous argument *ever* work?
>>738194878againbecause the companies don't have a easier way of getting rid of ityou have no idea how much corporations salivate at the idea of being able to delete an old game at the press of a button and remove it from both physical and the internet as whole
>>738191907>you're so dumb, publishers like ubisoft already did this and steam obliged. you dont own nothing but a rental. sissyStill on my computer, still running, faggot. Next?
>>738194993>It’s that simpleSure buddy.
>>738195147Glad we agree
>>738194993>Gayben dies>steam goes open tradedyour turn now faggit
>>738195018Im sure. But there is a point where I can say I own the game. Pretty sure if they sent nintendo ninjas to prevent me from selling the cartrige to another person I could sue.
>>738195221Only cause you're cute.
When have games on steam been randomly taken away from people's accounts?
>>738195253nintendo will send bit rot and moths to destroy the game and ruin the casenow your $200 pokecrap is worth less than $2>butthey are already fucking over people and their pokemon cards
>>738191364>when they can be taken away form you at any momentYeah yeah, heard this line a million times already from salty consolefags.Go ahead, prove your point by taking my HDD full of Goldberg'd games away. Go on.
>>738195238Ownership goes to his son who has more or less the same business mindset and has literally 0 reason to go public
>>738195387several times already, usually with a refund but you can have a game removed from everyone's library at the request of the publisher
>>738191528
>>738191364At this point I can only assume that these threads are GOG marketing because no one could be this fucking stupid.>when they can be taken away form you at any momentIf you buy a game on Steam and install it on your pc then there is literally nothing that can be done to "take it away from you". Steam could shut down tomorrow and it would have zero effect on my ability to play my installed games. Go ahead, disconnect from the internet and try to play a Steam game you have installed.If a game exists on your hard drive then you own it regardless of where or how you downloaded it. The vast vast vast majority of DRM or other protection, in the rare cases that they exist, are trivial to bypass. Also,>>738191702>The point of paying for a game is to support the developerI buy games to support them. Piracy is beyond trivial and if for some reason Steam decided to revoke my ownership of my games then absolute worst case scenario, I'd be inconvenienced for a few hours while I pirated those same games.
>>738191660i dont trust that
>>738195498>you can have a game removed from everyone's library at the request of the publisherSuch as....?This happened to Concord on Sony. Got any actual examples of delisted games being removed from steam libraries? >inb4 It totally happened to my friends I dont know what game it was
>>738195498And what games might those several times be? Which ones didn't give out refunds?
>>738191569>>738191364take games away, lose money...another thread about normies and their brainwashing. WHY even bother.
>>738191364IS THAT STEAM? G-GABEN SAMA WHAT IS THIS? I THOUGHT UBISOFT WAS THE ONE WE MUST HATE? @GROK @ELONMUSK @ASMONGOLD @BENSHAPIRO @JORDANPETERSON @CHAT IS THIS TRUE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>738191491Then we need to change laws to make software permanent purchases
>>738191491all media actually
>>738193709So you're exclusively playing HoMM3 now....
>>738193709No thanks why would I fund my political opponents?Until very recently GoG was owned by uber woke company CD Projekt Red (woke Witcher 4 devs). All the money from GoG was going to them and their woke initiatives.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com
how many jeetposters did Timmy hire to spam these threads every single day?
>>738194585Didded I eat the dollars 100ed steaks for goodly?
>>738195560Imagine being poor.
>>738191364Yeah but steam is a social media site and I want to show off my achievements and badges on my profile page.
>>738191364>buy game off steam>implement goldberg files>refund game>now you have a free steam game with clean steam fileshehehehehe
I buy exclusively from GOG because they have the most games, the fastest downloads, and will likely exist forever with the vast profit they make.
Why EXACTLY does this board oppose SKG?
>>738196382>All the money from GoGlooool hope you realize GoG hasn't made a single year of profit since it was created. It was fully subsidized by CDPR. Their record year as far as income went was 5 years ago when they generated $2 of profit in the fiscal year.
>>738197970Because a lot of games need to be killed, specifically all the ones not made in the USA.
>>738197970It's just people from the USA. When you are raised to worship corporations you don't want to see them loosing profit.
>>738197970It gets (You)sCattleclasses who don't mind being screwed over That's about it. As an american conservative there's a weird and dangerous trend that opposes any and all protections of the people by the government that is best summed up with "well it's not against the law!" You see libs use this same argument for doing unethical and immoral things that ignores the "but should you" part of the argument Maybe it is legal in the states to sell a video game for 2000 dollars, require a constant internet connection, and disable all of the single player aspects that reasonably doesn't need the online elements.....but should you? And that's the rub.
>>738197156>imagine being poorImagine being a mindless fucking retard.>"pirating" = ur pooryou're attempting to insult, but, you fail miserably, because I actually understand what OP hasn't taken the time to point out; that we are very niche. 99% of others not like us (faggots like you) are normies who don't file share ("piracy" is just shaming language used by the corporate overlords to shame and ostracize us) and you are proud of literally wasting your goy-coins on slop, you pay for BEFORE even trying it out and knowing if you like or enjoy it. you're the kind of moron who brags about paying taxes. "I pay my taxes. I'm a tax paying citizen"—bragging about being stolen from. fucking dunce.
>>738191534If devs want support they should be honest and call it a donation. Maybe you get a copy of the game (which is actually valueless) as a thank you, like a PBS tote bag. Selling copies that are infinitely reproducible is a scam.
>>738197970it doesn't
>>738191669The best part is that your house burning down is far more likely than Steam randomly deciding to shut down and take all your games.>>738195015>disingenuousI really miss the days before midwits discovered this word. There's nothing disingenuous about pointing out that digital storage is in many ways more secure than physical storage. Please take a moment to look up the definition of that word rather than trying to intuit its meaning based on the way people on this site (mis)use it.
>>738197970>Why EXACTLY does this board oppose SKG?A lot are curious how all the political backing will Patriot Act it and insert some pork that we don't know about.A recent one was that the requirements will cockblock all smaller devs from even attempting to make an online multiplayer because only the big jew companies can afford keeping theirs alive. Thus they have monopolized it all with new "pro-consumer" laws.
>>738191364The day when I only emulate old games draws nearer.
>>738200018>your house burning down is far more likely than Steam randomly deciding to shut down and take all your gamesMaybe in the US, because you cheap fucks call those fire hazards "houses."
>not having backups of old CD/DVDs and GoG games on a HDD
>>738191409But Valve isn't there?
>>738191364My man.. ownership? The only ownership is pirating the game and putting it on your sd drive. Platforms like gog help with that. I pirate everything my man. Unless it's a multiplayer game that's meant to be played in multiplayer, then I cannot pirate it. Or well, I can, but at great risk, so I don't. Pirate, pirate, pirate. Don't give a fuck about anything else. There's so much slop out there, as much as it hurts me to say it because I'm in game dev myself - the companies don't deserve your money until you've confirmed that their game is worth it. So try it and if you like it buy it. Also, support developers who put their game out on drm free platforms like songs of syx on itch, Noita, RimWorld on their own website. Then the money goes directly to the dev. Those guys deserve it. And they bypass the steam cut.Sadly, many developers can't afford to by pass steam. But if you really love a game, enough to buy it - atleast try to Google it to see if there's a drm free version you can buy where the money goes to the dev directly. RimWorld, even on steam, is drm free. You can straight up copy your RimWorld folder from steamapps to your sd card and it'll work on any computer. See pic related for the disclaimer when you launch songs of syx - it's heartwarming. Keep it up man.
>>738191364>amerifat discovers the concept of a software licensewait until you learn about banks.
>>738195632>>738195670>no answer to theselmao every time
>>738200319In any location on Earth, lil bro. The odds that Steam will suddenly decide to close shop and steal all your games is effectively zero, whereas house fires happen every day in every nation on the planet. The chance of your own house burning down is very low, but it's still more likely than Steam throwing away an absurdly profitable business just so they can take your games from you.
The only advantage people bring up about physical games is that '"OH YOU CAN RESELL THEM" which is an immediate red flag. Why would you sell a game that you want to keep?>W-WELL I MIGHT WANNA SCALP IT TEN YEARS DOWN THE LINEThen you're a scumbag who treats vidya as if it's some kind of stock portfolio.
>>738201238Nobody seems to remember that reselling just means 'trading that shit in at gamestop' where you get 10$ of in store credit for 50 games.
>>738200623You dont have to pirate shit, as long as i own what i buy, I'm ok.
>>738193149>PS4 folder>it's emptylmao
>>738197970I don't know, I personally don't give a fuck.
>>738200982It's just the stereotypical "crabs in a bucket" mentality snoys have.They think what sony does to them is fine because everybody else has it as bad as they do. Of course, this is a worthless cope. And everytime you point it out they just scatter like roaches and try again in another thread.
>>738191364Support what you love or it goes away.
>>738191409 >EA>Activision>Microsoft>Nintendo>Sega>Sony>Square Enix>UbisoftIt's like a Who's Who of evil gaming companies
>20 years later>still the same threads on /v/It's all so tiring.
>>738191364Reminder that GoG reserves the right to deny you services and deactivate your account if they catch you saying no-no words on other platforms
>>738204873Is this true?
Oh look, another thread made by a mentally ill snoy.Surely these games I bought almost 2 decades ago will get taken away any second now.>>738204873>enter store>start screaming, assaulting people and shitting on the floor>they ban you from entering said store>cry about how you're the victim
>>738205402>other platforms>enter storeesl faggot
>>738204869/v/ likes roguelikes so much, they've turned the board discussion into one
>>738191364How many times has Steam actually taken games away? Even ones unlisted on the store stay in your account.
>>738206501It's just some weird fearmongering campaign. Apparently, according to console owners, Steam and GOG can activate a remote killswitch that destroys all of your installers and files, and can also magically send swat teams to your house if you try to play their games offline.
>>738191784he's AI
>>738191491>AlwaysActually it only really goes back to the 90s.Anyone trying to say they're selling you the software these days is lying, yes, especially GOG.
>>738191907they cant take games from your LIBRARY you actual mouthbreathing baboon Lord of Niggers
>>738191907Riddle me this, why are these still in my library?I can still install and play them, the Store Page are long gone for anything older than 2021.
>>738208870>>738209180steam sissies still MALDING
>>738209448I accept your concession.
Keep Killing Brownoids
>>738191409I understand the rest, but why is faceit there?
>trannimehehehhehe
>>738191364>>738191491People don't understand how the real world works. If you manage to get enough people together who think that they own those games then you do own those games and everybody who tries to take them away will be thrown in jail. Instead you retards keep repeating whatever the shifty lawyers hired by big publishers cooked up, thinking yourself smarter than the average pleb for not knowing what those lawyers think.
>>738197970Paid posters.
>>738209448ill wait until a single one of my 832 games get removed. just let me know when it happens and ill gladly mald
>>738210407>>738210646you dont own any of those games, try running them from the .exe without steam and internet access then. ill wait
>>738191364I have half a petabyte of local storage, good luck taking anything away from me
>>738191364On Gog you have the installer, once you have it, you do whatever you want with it, it IS yours, like said on the image you sent, they can't take it away from youFor Steam, if the store dies, if they take your license away, you effectively can't get the game from the store anymoreBut, if you're not retarded, you have your games backed up with the eventual DRMs removed from them
>>738210930https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/0E18-319B-E34B-B2C8Skill issue.
Physical games are pro consumer.
>>738210930>uses goldberg, steamless and simple DLL cracksHeh, nothing personnel, consolegroid.
>>738211761Then why can't I play my Ps1 games on my Ps5?
>>738211997Because PS1 games aren't compatible with PS5
>>738191689I'd do it for free. I like them, and it seems like recently they'll always match team's sale price. I see a sale on steam and then go to superior GOG and if they have the game it's on sale.
>>738212112My ps1 games can be played on my PC, but only when I convert them into digital.
>>738210930>you dont own any of those games, try running them from the .exe without steam and internet access then. ill wait
>>738191364reminder that when pushed then the ownership cultists will always retreat to the idea of hoarding plastic on a shelf, nothing but aesthetics
>>738191364You never owned themIf you want thingsnto change fight for consumer rightsOtherwise shut up and pirate
I unironically am fine with owning nothing as long as I can be happy. I don't want more burden with me.
>>738191364why buy anything when whatever store you bought it from can afford to hire goons to go to your house and rape your ass then take it back
>>738195804They're supposed to be indefinite licenses, nit that it stops companies to try to fuck you anyway
>>738191364>Whats the point of buying games when they can be taken away form you at any momeI don't "buy" games, I buy playtime counts. I get games from Steam instead of pirating them just so I can see "Hours played: 500" on them. You may seethe now.
>>738193709>gogYou're still buying a license retard
>>738212292Their sales are also deeper or equal to Steam. I've yet to see a game on a Steam sale that is in sale on GOG and is cheaper on Steam.>>738191689It's not shilling, it's called word of mouth.GOG is simply a good service and so it gets recommended.
>>738212393Good to know.
>>738191689Wouldn't be surprised if gog is the one behind the antu steam threads instead of epic
>>738191364On pc you never did. The End User License Agreement never changed, only got incremented. On consoles? Since there was no way back in the day to patch and update games, you got what you got, bugged or not. Now they want you to stay connected 24/7 so yeah, you don't own your games on your consoles either.
>>738213205The license is the account for downloading from their servers which is the minimum they have to do to have a market. The alternative is no account based licenses and then anyone can download any game for free from GOGs servers because there's no method to verify someone brought the game or not.
>>738211579>>738212787>>738211948i accept your concession
>>738213512Meant for >>738213319
>>738191364>Muh physical games!Haven't been a thing for like a decade.Unless your home looks like the Angry Video Game Nerd's set, you're full of shit. None of those fucking cartridges were designed to last more than a few years. Yeah they can work a while, until they don't, then you have a worthless hunk of plastic and polymers. Polycarbonate discs are even worse. One measly hairline scratch can render the disc unreadable.Here's the thing. You were never paying for the cart/disc (although some SNES carts had extra RAM which added to the price), those are the storage medium that are only worth a small set amount. That was the way the game got to your home because it was the most feasible solution at the time. You were paying for the cost of game development + advertising + manufacturing + distribution + B&M store mark-ups.That's why Steam and GOG can offer you cheap games, they cut out 4/5 of those costs to provide you directly with the game itself. Which is all you really want. You never "owned" the rights to any cartridge game. Every instruction booklet from 1979 on had a 90-day limited warranty disclaimer. Tell Activision your copy of Pitfall stopped working and see what support they give you.
>>738213639You are a corporation. I refuse to believe a human would post this.
>>738191491Traditionally, you bought a copy of that software which you had exclusive personal use of.The only real limitations companies could enforce was "you cannot resell copies you make" and "you cannot create derivative works using it unless explicitly permitted".Everything beyond that exists within the limitations of the EULA, which at most can justify the termination of your access to their services and nothing more.
>>738191364
reminder that the physicalsperg is a tendie who thinks games are an asset and not entertainment
STEAM SISTERS, PROTECT LORD GABEN'S YACHT'S HONOR!!!
>>738191364Well.. If buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing... I'll just borrow their game and if I feel like tipping them (buying) I will, but don't count on it.
>>738191409they dont support it because it easily allows for piracy. which is why GOG will never take off, why even buy anything from GOG when i can just get games from the 100s of free GOG games websites out there?
>>738213770He never did answer why reselling the game was so important. Like it feels like a small little bonus, but why put so much emphasis on it? If it's a game you genuinely love, you'll feasibly never get rid of it, and if it's a game you got on sale, you won't feel the desperate need to recoup the 3 dollars spent on it.
> OP discovers that he never owned gamesThis has literally always been the case. Even if you bought a cartridge, what you actually bought was a piece of electronics and a licence to use the software on it.
>>738198246It's just poors that want it, because they have to stick to their $10 game after 40 years, since it'll be another decade before they can afford a second game. How hot is it where you are?
>>738213706>lie, and you're a good human>tell the truth, and you're a shill for corpoglobohomozeppoharpochicogummogroucho
We GOG chads are the future of gaming.
>>738213639I'm still supporting physical games because they are pro consumer. Hopefully they continue to exist even if it's a niche market.
>>738213770To me it seems that a game plus the benefit of being an asset is better than just a game.
>>738214392>>738214310How is it pro consumer to not let you modify or tinker the files, or make backups? and why restrict them to proprietary hardware?
>>738213912Did I say reselling was important? You must have heard me wrong. Reselling is simply how you can tell you own a game. I don't sell my games.
If i dont have offline instaler i dont own game, fuck steam i hate this shitty scam>>738213319
>>738214271>no games>slow downloads>games are commonly not at feature or update parityWE EATIN' GOOD, GOGODS
>>738214532>Reselling is simply how you can tell you own a game.I can resell my digital games by putting them on a USB. Guess I own them.
>>738214532so there's no point to owning games you enjoy since you don't gain anything out of it?
>>738191713>this post actually made valvejeets madlol, lmao even
>>738214524Just bypass the anti piracy measures if you don't like them.
>>738214623No not really. There was no legal sale that took place since it wasn't licensed.
>>738215082>just wait years for console cracks so you're not playing a shittier version of the game
Does anyone really play games on platforms other than the Switch 2?
>>738215195>muh legalitiesDo you need the government's permission to go to the bathroom too?
>>738214918Are you admitting I own my games?
>>738215368>"sweaty, you don't legally own your games on steam :3">you don't own them on console, either>"who cares about legality?"You are here.
>>738215384Doesn't seem like it. FFS you can't even play your Switch 2 games on non-nintendo consoles.
>>738215384if owning games means nothing according to you then what's the point of caring?
>>738191364How is that any news to anyone?
>>738193149So you could legally make and sell your own copies of them?
>>738215481You do actually own physical copies on console. That's the type of agreement physical copies have.
>>738215573So legally you can crack the DRM and modify the files on the disk?
>>738215262That has nothing to do with the media format you bought being either digital or physical. The a hardware issue.
>>738214587>no gamesfake news >slow downloadsworks on my machine :^)>games are commonly not at feature or update paritybetter than getting fucked over by automatic updateswe ARE eatin' good, GOGODS
>>738215649You can legally sue someone for playing the game on Twitch, since you own the game.
>>738215368There is nothing wrong with using the government to secure my property.
>>738215770Show me your fastest download on GOG.Show me a download of Pragmata on GOG.>getting fucked over by automatic updatesSomething that's never happened for $500, Aaron Rodgers.
>>738215649Yeah.
>>738215676yes, it doesphysical only exists and only on consoles because the hardware has aggressive drmyou're allowed to hoard plastic because they control you everywhere else
>>738215776>>738215798>you're not allowed to play the game around others, even if you own the game physicallywtf kind of cuckoldry is this?>>738215919Nintendo begs to differ, since they sent a lawsuit to the group who made decryption software for switch games.
>>738215970>decryption software for switch games.They used copyrighted code that was leaked because they're retarded.You can edit it.
Why arent open source video games more common? Normies don't get tired of sucking jewish dick?
>>738216010But it's for games they own. Why does it matter if they're using copyrighted code? Shouldn't nintendo be more than happy to let people decrypt and break the DRM of physical games they legally bought?I don't recall Valve sending lawsuits to people who made guides on how to break steam DRM.
>>738216086open source licenses are an insane nightmare and the coders are horrible trannies that are impossible to work with to ship anything.>>738216121Doesn't matter, you can edit it.
>>738215482>>738215484Ok but we can't discuss how I feel about media ownership if you won't acknowledge that it exists in the first place.
>>738215649Correct.
>>738216147>doesn't matter, you can edit itProof of this being done on a Switch 2? >>738216243Media ownership doesn't exist unless you can break the DRM, tamper with the files, and do whatever you want with it, without the company's permission.>>738216304DMCA unfortunately makes all physical games rentals.
>>738216086Nothing open source was ever good.>>738216010In most western countries, cracking copy protection itself is actually illegal.
>>738216243>we can't discuss schlurbiglurb until you acknowledge I have ityou have to first define as to why the fuck is having plastic even a benefit if you've acknowledged you're not doing the only thing that makes it unique
>>738216342>Proof of this being done on a Switch 2?Do it if you want to. Only one stopping you is yourself.
>>738215940>yes, it doesNo it doesn't. GoG in the EU has all the modding you need and it's a full digital platform while their consumers retain the right to own their media.
>>738215970I'm sorry you'll have to try a different approach. I didn't say whatever you just quoted in greentext.
>>738216378I shouldn't have to. It should not have DRM in the first place. Hence why, if I don't like steam's flimsy DRM, I can go right to GOG and just get the perma-offline installers that work forever.>>738216459>government bootlicking intensifies
You faggots spend more time arguing about legal technicalities than actually playing video games.
>>738216342>Media ownership doesn't exist unless you can break the DRM, tamper with the files, and do whatever you want with it, without the company's permission.First of all that's false. Second of all, you CAN break the DRM.
>>738216398you're not allowed to trade gog licenses tendieisn't that what you care about?
>>738216398>GoG>LARPing so hard he can't even get the acronym right>still supporting Got 0 Games>>738216521These threads are all started by one schizo who got VAC banned in September 2023, rendering him unable to sell knife skins.
>>738214271Gog has no future
>>738195804>permanent purchasesIt's called piracy
>>738216503>I shouldn't have to.Then you don't have to, that's your choice to make.
>>738216363You're just repeating yourslef so I'll repeat myself: I won't discuss the pros and cons of anything with another person who won't even acknowledge that the things we're discussing even exist in the first place.
>>738197970What's SKG
>>738216541No I care about ownership. If I traded a game away I wouldn't be owning that game.
>>738216645Spielberg, Katzenberg, Geffen.The Dreamworks guys.
>>738216361Bar, osu and doom are good you dumb nigger
>>738216527>you CAN break the DRM.But you guys were gloating about how the Switch 2's security was absolute and unhackable, calling people poorfag pirate vegans who will never get an emulator. Make up your mind.>>738216601Hence why I own my digital games. I never plan on selling them, so thus it's not something I'll need or want.Objectively I can do more with my games than you can with yours.>>738216637For example, here are the pros of physical games.>you can sell them>....???Compared to the pros of digital games.>can sell them>can modify them>can make hacks>can make backups>will work on all future PCs, not restricted to gay DRM laden proprietary hardware>can freely share them with friends WITHOUT losing the original game myself>no artificial time limit imposed by planned obsolence (aka game carts dying, console hardware dying)
>>738216689did you forget how you believe ownership is just being able to transfer the game, tendie?
>>738216637>I won't discuss the pros and cons of anythingbecause you're weakyou're such a fucking shitty salesman that you can't even name actual worthwhile benefits to the idea you're trying to sell here
>>738215195you got a loicense fur that TV, mate?
>>738191491Zoomer bullshit, there were phisical copies and you owned the copy, not the license
>>738215864Anyone with GTASA or VC on steam knows auto-updates fuck them over:https://www.pcgamer.com/grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-steam-update-removes-songs-resolution-options/
>>738217101
>>738215864>Show me your fastest download on GOG>Show me a download of Pragmata on GOGdenuvo filled crapcom slop that only serves to be pirated>Something that's never happened for $500, Aaron Rodgerssilksong difficulty nerfs + modlists getting fucked over (bethesda, rockstar, valve)
>>738217101Even old VHS casettes had "do not sell or rent" on them lol.
>>738217175VC had no songs removed. It only affected sissies who bought late. I can't speak to San Andreas, as I don't play UE5 woke goyslop for goyim.
>>738217215>272mbitJesus fuck, that's horrible.
>>738216920I'm already aware of all the pros and cons of the different media formats. Thanks though.
>>738191364Neither of those 2 shops have ever taken a game away from me.
>>738216756No but seriously
>>738216952>you believe ownership is just being able to transfer the gameHmm no. I never said that.
>>738217517Clearly not, since you falsely claimed that none of that could be done with digital games. You also claimed that gaben could deactivate and kill any game you have installed on your HDD, since they're not "owned physical copies".It would appear you have much to learn.
>>7382175862 more weeks and Gabe's selling Steam to Gamestop.
>>738191364thats the same with all games. it's just how copyright works.we're very lucky steam is where most of the market is, considering the almost total lack of drm on their stuff. pirating steam games or playing offline etc. is all totally trivial unless it's a game where the publisher adds a bunch of 3rd party DRM to it
>>738217417It is?
>>738217014>because you're weakMore so it's because I'm intellegent and wise enough to avoid bad faith arguments.
>>738217636yes you did, tendie, you're pretending like the overwhelming console drm doesn't impact your ownership because you believe it's just being able to resell your gameif your definition of ownership is different then you would concede on you owning any of your tendieslop since it does have that heavy drm
>>738217101At no point in the entire history of video games... or copyright for that matter... has that ever been true. Licenses are literally how the concept of copyright is enforced. They dictate that you, the buyer, just own the copy and absolutely fuck-all else related to the work. Mainly, you don't have the right to reproduce and sell it. This applies universally to books, music, movies, comics, art, and of course vidya too.Now, game publishers have gotten crazy greedy in the past couple of decades and have begun putting increasingly ridiculous and draconian terms in their license agreements, and have been more easily able to enforce them in an increasingly digital space. And yes, this is worth pushing back against. But arguing against licenses in general is almost certainly a pointless and losing battle.
>>738217417I only pay for 300mbps plan
>>738217725>because I'm intellegent
>>738217101you don't understand copyright law. if you want to actually own your physical media then you should lobby your government to change the laws.
>>738217768Nope. I legally own the IP for my copy of Super Mario Wonder, and can sue anyone else for having it.
>>738217725you can't even spell intelligentno, you just can't give anyone a reason as to why plastic is worth having
>>738217279No they didn't.
>>738191364The is exactly the reason why you should only buy games on PC/steam. Pretty much because it's the only platform that allows you full control over your media with regards to copying, transfering, modifying, and cracking. those agreements might be a reality for consoles with their modern DRM that is impossible to break, but with PC it's simply etiquette.I've had 5 consoles before PC, and literally all my copies stopped working, got lost, or the console broke. Yet despite all this, none of my 500 steam games were taken away and are still fully functional.
>>738191491yeah, it's how the law is set up. It's lame but it's not a new thing at all. Blame legislators for writing dumb laws
>>738217642You must be mistaken. None of that happened.
>>738217725>it's because I'm intellegentbased
People confuse legal ownership with de facto ownership. Physical copies are de facto ownership, as the game cannot be taken away from you or altered by the corporations.
>>738217754>you believe it's just being able to resell your game>>738217636
>>738191364Google "gog" and "magog".. we are being played by occultists
>>738217101You own both the license and the media
>>738217967>Physical copies are de facto ownership, as the game cannot be taken away from you or altered by the corporationsENTER
>>738217989https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/737842787/#737854224>No. Not true at all. GoG in the EU has no influence over their media and GoG users in the EU own their games. DRM doesn't inhibit ownership by nature, and in the instance of consoles it actually facilitates ownership. your own words tendieif ownership is just being able to trade plastic then ownership means nothingif ownership is more then that then you don't own any of your tendieslop since it comes with extremely heavy drmso which is it?
>>738217417why do people use bits instead of Bytes?You like pretending you have GB speeds?
>>738217820See >>738216637
>>738218132it's traditional for bandwidth
>>738200559Because they're not retarded. They understand there is nothing to gain from openly taking an anti-consumer stance when they can just quietly continue their anti-consumer practices.
>>738218231got it, there are no benefits to owning games since you can't name anyglad we got that sorted out
>>738218101>ownership is just being able to trade plasticNo it isn't. Why would you say that?
>>738218132You couldn't sell a 37.5 byte modem, but you certainly could sell a 300 bit one.
>>738218329so what is it?because you don't seem to understand it if you classify gog as ownership
>>738218318>>738215384
>>738218314Valve is literally the most pro-consumer storefront owner out there.
Gayben and his dicksuckers have been a dister for gayming
>>738218475>disterGood morning, sir.
>>738218065Mainly talking console here, as I only ever had like 6 pc games on disc and I accepted they'd no longer function properly as pc hardware changed, given they were Windows 95 stuff running in MSDOS mode. Couldn't Starforce destroy Windows installs as well, taking far more from you than the game? Wouldn't even buy a game that has such a thing.
>>738218392>repeating movesyou're going for a stalemate, cuck?there is no point of owning games and i'm glad you finally understand you can't contest it
>>738218426
>>738218543>no argument
My steam account is way too cool to abandon it
>>738218426That says a lot about how bad the world of video games is currently. Although from what I understand, GOG is better for consumers since you get an offline installer with no drm.
>>738218630GOG is worse for consumers since it could feasibly go under in the near future, forcing you to hoard your (usually out of date) installers.
>>738218390Ownership is proven by the characteristic of being able to sell what you bought. This is simply a go to method of proving you own what you buy. I do not bring it up as a benefit of ownership, it is a requirement of ownership. Some may see it as a benefit. I don't, because I don't sell games.Let me know if am going to fast for you or if I can clarify this further.
>>738218630>GOG is better for consumersit took them years to finally acknowledge linux and that was after half a decade of valve paving the waygog is an aesthetic, nothing more
>>738218426GOG is
Open-source games when?
>>738218708then why the fuck did you disagree with me here?>>738218329>>ownership is just being able to trade plastic>No it isn't. Why would you say that?so i take it that you picked the >if ownership is just being able to trade plastic then ownership means nothingroute, right?
>>738218527Glad we agree I own my games.
>>738218784When you're good for consumers, don't you actually have to have products to consume?
>>738218843you're a billionaire if we use some hyperinflated african shithole currencyyou can't define anything positive about ownership so it's just as valid as it is to claim the above
>>738218819I disagreed with you because ownership isn't just trading plastic.
>>738191364Just don’t repeatedly say nigger or threaten to rape someone and you should be fine
>>738218957This is the same circular argument he always uses.>you don't own your games>"what does ownership confer me?">lawl you're too stupid to know what ownership is>"so explain it">it means you own your games>"but what does that give me?">it gives you ownership
>>738218695you're acting as if steam doesn't sell you outdated shit that doesn't even launch anymore (saints row 2)
>>738218957>you can't define anything positive about ownershipYeah I can.
>>738219005yes it is, if it wasn't then you'd be able to point me to platforms that actively allow for digital resellingbut there are no cases where it's not plasticso it is just trading plastic
>>738219047There's a difference between developer support being dropped and updates literally existing, but never making it to your platform.
>>738218695Oh yes how awful, it's so awfully terrible that you have to """hoard""" all those nasty video game installers you purchased. Better to just subscribe to a cloud game streamer service and then you don't need to """hoard""" or store anything at all, just let daddy corporation do it for you.
>>738219058then do it
>>738219158Yes. That's the point of cloud storage. I don't want to back up 40TB of games when the cloud service should be doing that for me.
>>738218526Well if ownership also constitutes your ability to modify what you own, then consoles are less ownership than digital.
>>738191364>we we failed Tim and failed to stop valve. Now what? Oh I know! Uhhhh you don't own your licensed software heh...oh you read the terms already??? Stop being anti-semetic and be mad at valve!
>>738219158>>738219205And, to samefag, I have to watch all my hoarded games and make sure they're up to date, rather than just being able to download the newest version on demand in a few minutes tops.
>>738219158I play games while you hoard them. We are not the same
>>738219162First you'll need to admit I own my games because they exists as an asset of mine which can legally be sold/traded etc.
>>738219335>first you need to feed my egohow about i do the oppositeyou're a loser that's desperately fighting over consumer garbage on the internet>which can legally be sold/traded etc.but you said you don't do that so that's irrelevant
>>738219235NTA, You can stop trying to figure out what media ownership is. It's already defined and known. Also it has nothing to do with whether or not it has DRM and other copy right restrictions.
It was always just a license in all cases you stupid goy. You are such stupid goyim. Imagine caring about what’s written on some stupid piece of paper some kikes wrote. Then there are console cucks who think it’s a big deal they own a DRM disk you can’t copy that only runs in a proprietary paperweight just because they can hold it in their hands. The real digital ownership is if it’s a file on your hard drive you can copy or run however you like with nobody being able to stop you.
>>738219452>It's already defined and known. Also it has nothing to do with whether or not it has DRM and other copy right restrictions.Not according to /v/ or half the anons itt.
>>738219519>goyI'm not a goy.
>>738219335Oh? Can you legally make more of them and sell those copies? That's a normal thing you can do with things you own.
>>738219421That wouldn't be feeding my ego. It's not my opinion. I didn't decide what ownership was, I'm simply citing what ownership factually is. >but you said you don't do that so that's irrelevantI don't particularly like the color red, or 4 equal sides. Does this mean I can't enjoy apples or use square shaped objects? Please try and makes sense for once. There is no award for being intentionally dense.
>>738219573I don't care. They have no power over reality.
>>738218695>>738219158BitTorrent is distributed storage. You don’t have to hoard well seeded torrents. Just hoard the ones that have less than X seeds, whatever you’re comfortable with. This can be automated, in theory.
>>738219627>Can you legally make more of them and sell those copies?Nope!>That's a normal thing you can do with things you own.Hmmm no. That's not normal or a required characteristic of media ownership.
>>738219730it is feeding your ego, retard, you desperately want validation for hoarding mass produced trash>i bought objectively worse garbage because of one single feature and i don't even use that featureshould've just admitted you're a heavily estrogenated moron from the get go thenyou talk about ownership only to not fucking use it
>>738219840Ah, yes, gotta turn "media ownership" into a special case to distract from the fact that you never own media unless you make it.
>>738219942I didn't decide that licensed media would have different criteria that define it compared to unlicensed things you can own. I'm just citing the fact that it does have different criteria that defines it. You seem to think I'm just making this up as a go.
>>738218708>Ownership is proven by the characteristic of being able to sell what you bought.But I can sell my digital games by putting them on USB sticks and giving them to my friends.
>>738219895>you desperately want validation for hoarding mass produced trashNo, I don't hoard anything.
>>738220187And those criteria are the difference between something you own, and can therefore do with whatever you want, and that you're merely allowed to use. Being able to resell this permission doesn't change that.
>>738220265so you don't even buy physical? or are you just so thin skinned that you get upset over the word hoardcurious how you didn't address the second paragraph, huhownership has no purpose in your life and you admit it
>Whats the point of buying games when they can be taken away form you at any moment, and the only thing holding the whole system is a "trust me bro, i wont take away your game"The neat thing about this is that PC has capabilities that allow it to transcend the legal definition of what ownership is because you have control over all that media in it and can make infinite copies of it or modify it regardless of the platform. Consoles don't. Might makes right, legal jew bullshit doesn't work on PC.With cucksoles, you instead get raped with physical obsolescence if you don't play a game in ten years and your cartridge corrupts, no ability to make copies or modify your games, get your videos taken down for game footage. Hell, you even get legally raped for making fan games.
>>738217850>WARNING! The contents of this videocassette are protected by copyright law. Buena Vista Home Entertainment owns all rights to the program content of the videocassette. The videocassette may only be sold by those authorized by Buena Vista Home Entertainment. The cassette may only be sold to private consumers and is intended for home video use only. THE CASSETTE MAY NOT BE RENTED, and copying, even for private use, is prohibited. Misuse will result in legal action.
>>738220264No you can't. That's illegal distribution of unlicensed media. Neither the person selling it or the end user has legal ownership.
>>738220776>that's illegal distributionOkay, and?
>>738220358No. You're confusing owning IP or copyright with owning media of that IP.
>>738220776Yes so being able to sell doesn't mean you actually own it...
>>738220441>so you don't even buy physical?Yeah I do.>or are you just so thin skinned that you get upset over the word hoardOh was that what you were trying to do? Tr9ll me? Sounds disingenuous.>curious how you didn't address the second paragraphNot really, no.
>>738220563First sale docterine overrules that.
>>738220838Keep reading
>>738220945you're such a pussy that you refuse to respond earnestly because of an insult while constantly being an estrogenated passive aggressive bitchgood that we agree that you find physical worthless as confirmed by your own actions
>>738220846The media is the IP. You never owned more than a carrying medium.
>>738220858Correct, being able to legally sell means you own it. it goes without saying because ownership itself is a legal construct.
>>738221116Good talk.
>>738221170>The media is the IP.No it isn't. They are different things.
>>738221301>concession speak alreadythanksyou don't use the only benefit of physical, it's just a fetish to you and you're not even willing to dispute it
>>738218695I only hoard installers, I don't trust "THE CLOUD" will have them still be available>>738218719If you're tech savvy enough to use Linux you're tech savvy enough to use the emulators and compatibility layers you need to get gog games working
>>738221086I did read it. Me supposedly not having legal ownership doesn't stop me from selling it.
>>738221395I'm sorry this bothers you. We're you supposed to be the alpha around here or something? Sorry but that's me. You'll have to wait your turn.
>>738221041What? You mean after the first sale all the rules just go away? You can just buy it from a store and start copying and reselling the copies, all completely legally?.... "First sale docterine" isn't a real rule, it's just something people came up with because they don't wanna follow the rules and with so many people breaking them it's not even worth trying to punish them.>>738221248You can't even sell your physical cds legally if you actually read the fucking print. You don't have ownership to the license, so you aren't allowed to redistribute the license.
>>738191491US truly has cucked consumer rights for everyone, i hope other countries go against your corporate bullshit
>>738213725CD-keys were a thing you know
>>738221584holy fucking cringe, you're a redditor collecting funkopops that never get unboxedhumble yourself fag, you don't play games and you care more about the aesthetic than functionality
>>738221651The only reason why it continues like this is because people like >>738221589 accept it and argue in favor of corporations on the internet for some reason.
>>738221513Now you know legality matters.
>>738221773Not really. My game can be sold and modified, regardless of what legality dictates. So it's a useless metric.
>>738221730I'm not arguing for them. I am just pointing out how the things are. If you want them to change it's better to point out the bad things and not pretend like they aren't real.
>>738221589>First sale docterine" isn't a real rule,>The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, is a legal principle allowing the lawful owner of a physical, copyrighted work (like a book, CD, or DVD) to sell, lend, or dispose of that specific copy without the copyright holder’s permission
You do on gog. You have the installer. But on gog you're really paying to keep them compatible with MS degenerate incompatibility issues.
>>738221589>You can't even sell your physical cds legally if you actually read the fucking print. You don't have ownership to the license, so you aren't allowed to redistribute the license.First sale docterine.
>>738221730>because people like >>738221589 accept it and argue in favor of corporationsMeanwhile, >>738215798>it's okay for corporations to use the government to bully people
>>738221715I disagree.>>738221823>My game can be sold and modified, regardless of what legality dictatesSure but you can't own regardless of legality. They go hand in hand. Ownership is a legal construct.
>>738215798Govt tortures, enslaves, drugs, rapes etc. By using it you are it and all that. You are how that happens. Eliminating you cures the world of such.
>>738191364If all we're buying is a limited licence, the price needs to be lower. As far as I'm concerned, if I'm buying a game at game prices, I'm buying a fucking game and it's mine.Digital games used to be priced lower than physical games but as more and more people adopted steam, the greedy fuckers crept up the price until it was the same
>>738222095>I disagree.and you can't call me wrongyou're an effeminate loser that doesn't like games as proven by the fact you're choosing an inferior platform to play them on just because they let you have your søy plastic
>>738222024You have it backwards. Corporations are using loopholes to bully people with anti consumer non ownership practices The government is what is protecting my right to ownership regardless of corporate loopholes.
>>738222103I'm sorry you feel that way but my point still stands.
>>738222187I'm sorry you feel that way about me.
>>738222095>Sure but you can't own regardless of legality.You argue that solely on the basis of pointless legalities. In practical, enforceable terms, I own my digital games. It is on you to demonstrate otherwise. I can easily demonstrate ownership by doing the following:>playing the games separate from my account>playing them offline>playing them regardless of computer install or registration>making backups>giving copies to friends>selling copies to people who don't have internet accessLegality doesn't factor in, unless you're deepthroating corporate boot.>>738222391>The government is what is protecting my right to ownership regardless of corporate loopholes.If that was true, then by your logic they would've shut down steam and thrown gabe in jail for trying to push digital games.
>>738222509i'm sorry that you chose plastic over games
>>738222442It's reality, not just a feeling. You don't have a point. You are a dull conformist coward of no benefit to the world. All you are is compromise. Spam. In with the crowd of wrong because otherwise is too much threat fro you to bear. You'd be the same in any challenge just as you are now. Trying to bludgeon others with stupidity safely.
>>738199524You are paying for the service of the developer making the game. Getting several thousand man hours of skilled labor for a few dozen dollars is quite a reasonable bargain.
>>738215548yeah, on international waters
>>738222558No, what you're doing is just listing the pros of digital media and falsly attributing all of them as ownership. And you're only doing because the dominant contrasting characteristic of physical media is ownership. So basically you got defensive over a media format type, and instead of acknowledging and accepting the different defining characteristics of the two different media types you got butthurt and decided to call all your characteristics ownership. >Legality doesn't factor in, unless you're deepthroating corporate boot.No, the government is what gurantees my rights. Corporations are the ones taking them away. The only person here deepthroating the boot is you and your obsession with defending a media format created solely to save corporations money at the expense of consumers losing the right to own their media by bypassing the first sale docterine.
>>738222591I didn't. I chose games plus ownership over just games.
>>738222627I'll survive.
>>738223042you chose extremely invasive console drm that makes playing games worse just so you can have some plastic
>>738223005>No, what you're doing is just listing the pros of digital media and falsly attributing all of them as ownership. What's the point of "ownership" if it doesn't even grant you all of the abilities of a digital game? You say I'm bootlicking corporations, but you gladly support DRM locking down physical games and preventing people from making copies and modifying them. Why aren't you angry at Nintendo and sony for constantly shutting down emulators and stopping people reverse engineering their hardware? They're corporations, they don't deserve rights, nor do they deserve to be protected by the government.
>>738191364You don't even own your own soul, what makes you think you can truly own anything in this material world?
>>738191364yeah i fear the day gaben dies and steam goes public
>>738223104No I can easily own and bypass DRM. These aren't mutually exclusive options.
>>738223309Would you be so kind as to demonstrate the ability to do this with the Switch 2?
>>738223309stop lying faggot, we both know you don't have the fraction of the talent required to actually contribute to the console jailbreaking sceneand unlike steam you need to wait fucking years for those cracks and then you're left with a console that loses all of its online functionality
>>738223116>What's the point of "ownership" if it doesn't even grant you all of the abilities of a digital game?What's the point of all those abilities when it doesn't grant me ownership? I can get those abilitiea regardless, for free, while also owning media I purchased from a different publisher. >Why aren't you angry at Nintendo and sony for constantly shutting down emulators and stopping people reverse engineering their hardware?Because the shutdowns only occured because of profiteering, which isn't a requirement for DRM removal.
>>738191364Old games aged like milk anyway.Only collect physical copies of modern games that are your favorites.
>>738223385DRM isn't by paswed on Sw2 yet. Nor when it happens will it have anything to do with what media format type switch 2 uses. This is a deflection.
>>738223601>What's the point of all those abilities when it doesn't grant me ownership? You've yet to establish that digital games don't confer ownership. The easiest way to do that would be to actively take them away, or demonstrate the ability to do so. If they cannot, then I own them. Legality means nothing unless you can actively enforce it.>>738223649>DRM isn't by paswed on Sw2 yetWhy not?
>>738223489Not my fault you're taking forever.
>>738223749Sorry. If you can't acknowledge the basic fact that I own my physical games then we can no longer discuss the pros of owning physical games.
>>738223749>Why not?I'll bite, why not? Or are you just sealioning to keep the replies coming?
>>738223765>so disingenuous and defeated he's trying to joke about being a cuck
>>738223836>>738223887It's been 15 years since people figured out how to break steamworks DRM, and yet Valve doesn't constantly release updates to make DRM more invasive. Nintendo, meanwhile, keeps shoving more and more DRM into their consoles, making it harder to crack them. and I'm supposed to believe that Nintendo wants me to own my games? Despite gaben making it easier than ever to crack and modify my games?
>>738191364Wait! If I buy a game on GOG, I can legally sell as many copies as I want since it belongs to me, right?
>>738192431You sign a contract saying you login every 30 days or the games are locked. You literally can’t own or play it offline forever.
>>738224071>You sign a contract saying you login every 30 days or the games are locked. You literally can’t own or play it offline forever.source?
>>738223993Valve has historically asked cops to arrest the top pirate site owners or torrent download. You never read those articles because you’re a norime. Valve is the bad guys.
>>738223927Sure.>>738223993>and I'm supposed to believe that Nintendo wants me to own my games? Despite gaben making it easier than ever to crack and modify my games?Where's the contradiction? Ownership has nothing to do with DRM cracking.
>>738191364IMO GoG is the only honest company that sells "digital" games. Steam is a load of shit. You cannot sell the games, you cannot transfer them, and you need to ask permission. They are not the pariah that their fans seem to keep glazing them for being.
>>738224161>Ownership has nothing to do with DRM cracking.If you can't freely crack the DRM in a game, then you don't own it.
>>738224071That's false. It's only the first time within 30 days of purchase. One log in to check one time then you're good to go forever.
>>738224152>Valve has historically asked cops to arrest the top pirate site owners or torrent download.you could have linked this but you chose not toand you're bringing up this "historical" event to compare with the CURRENT state of consoles
>>738224214False.
>>738191669> never own anything because your house might burn downliterally the most retarded brainlet take i've ever seen. how the fuck do you people even function in society? do you subscribe to your clothing too?
>>738201064>The odds that Steam will suddenly decide to close shop and steal all your games is effectively zero> thinking gaben will live foreverhis successor, whomever they be, will likely bend the knee to basically telling all you retarded glazers of him to fuck off and kick rocks and that you should have read the TOS for the games, which you don't own and cannot sell or retrieve or play once they shut down the authentication servers for them.
>>738224161>Ownership has nothing to do with DRM cracking.if they honored your ownership they wouldn't fight efforts to crack drminstead they're following the letter of the law to allow you as little leeway as possiblehope this helps
>>738217279no they didn't. what in the fuck are you babbling about? VHS was specifically in stores being rented. The stores paid a premium for the tapes at release to rent.
>>738194296i will thanks i have many dvds and usb drives for this
>>738224071> doesn't know what a wet signature isyou understand that a ToS and its implied terms are barely enforceable by a court right? most of this shit is pure fantasy land legalese that would never hold up to legal scrutiny. but they put it in there because they know normal people can't afford lawfare.
>>738224272>how the fuck do you people even function in society?They don't. They're dependent on their parents.
>>738224369many jurisdictions allow backups of games and movies and media. you buy the shit, they are granting a non-transferable license of the copy they sold you.
>>738224464seems like it. i think zoomer brains are basically slopped out at this point. they literally seem to abide by every corporate tactic these days. i wish they would wake the fuck up and stop giving their money to thieves.
>>738224113READ MF:https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/?l=english/
>>738191364>Whats the point of buying games when they can be taken away form you at any momentif you're a tech illiterate retard who has no business touching a computer.i have no problem with people like you getting shafted. in fact i encourage it.
>>738191660You've spent every second of your life trusting others so you can get by
>>738191669You can replace "games" in this post with literally any physical possessionI guess I don't own my car because a tornado could blow through and destroy itRetard
>>738224561i searched up 30 in there and none of the results state anything of the sortwhy are you so desperate?
>>738224592> othersyeah that would be other people. not corporations that are legal fictions masquerading as "people". not the same thing by a country mile.
>>738224369They're not fighting efforts to crack DRM and never have, nor can they. Anyone can do anything in privacy. They're fighting for profit piracy rings. Also you're wrong again because they could be, and I would still own my games. , so that's a false if/then statement. Almost everything you say is a lie. Is this intentional or do you just not care?
>>738224561where do you sign the contract senpai? i don't think we got that part.
>>738223130>You don't even own your own soulWho says?
>>738224735>they're not fighting them, they're fighting them because they found a way they can legally fuck them over for fighting themjust how stupid are you? they chose to enforce it, they're fighting it
>>738224735>They're not fighting efforts to crack DRM
>>738224256Only newfags like you never knew that Valve has arrested HL2 leaker. VPN arrest, money laundering arrests, etc. Valve allows criminals to steal money, that’s a fact:VPN: https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20260403-steam-hardware-software/Money laundering: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50262447Stealing/melware: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/explained-how-steam-is-planning-to-stop-hackers-from-pushing-malware-laden-game-updates/articleshow/104505696.cms
> people think that corporations know when L337 hacker groups are cracking their software.this is so funny. i'm going to write this down. do you guys tell other jokes? tell me more of them.
>>738224949>valve allows criminals to steal money>links to an article where they get money launderers arrested????????
>>738225025It’s not Valve’s fault for the cops to not arrest the criminal. So I should blame you for lagging the Steam website and causing legal buyers problems. See how stupid you sound anon.
do you guys who believe corporations know who's cracking their software have a list and check it twice? do they find out who's naughty or nice? and more importantly, will they be coming to town?
Astroturf thread by game publishers to kill Steam so they can steal more money from us for worse and worse products.
>>738225115>>738225169Cops not doing their job isn’t a Valve problem.
>>738224891Yup, I said that and stand by it. >>738224823>they chose to enforce it, they're fighting itNo they chose to use DRM. There's literally nothing they can do to stop DRM crackers until DRM crackers go public and start accepting money.
>>738225168> thinking that police work directly for corporationsare you fucking new or something?
>>738225261> cops not doing their jobs...presumably investigating who is cracking their video games is really serious police work to you I guess? 'Sorry cindy, we can't find your rapist because some gaming corporation is mad people are copying their games'.what planet are you on again?
We told to watch out for Gabe Jewell. Why didn't you listen?
Reminder op is a dumb brownoid who too stupid to use Linux and esl.
>>738213725Actual retard, take a game from 30 years ago and read what is written on the back of the cover.
>>738225274>Yup, I said that and stand by it. Then explain why they shut down lockpick and lockpick_RCM, which did nothing but allow people to dump their games legally from games they physically purchased.
Is it really a tendie sperg repeating these threads ad infinitum?
>>738224767The fact you don't get to decide where it goes after you die, given the fact not one person in history has returned from total death to tell us what happens.
More corporate boot, sir?A fine choice, we'll bring that right out for you
>>738225639>iven the fact not one person in history has returned from total death to tell us what happens.
>>738225739The exception that proves the rule, because he's both the son of God and also literally God.
>>738225845you something. that's really fucking confusing. you religious people need to get your stories straight or make sure your priests aren't drinking so hard when they write this crap.
>steam controller sells out in minutes>anti steam shill threads start flooding the catalogembarrassing.
>>738226035> 2026: $100 dollar controllerswhat the fuck happened to gaming?
>>738226110Consolegroids kept talking about how its good that prices go up, to "spite the poorfags". Now high prices are bad because it no longer conveniences them.
>>738191409>No Capcom
>>738226213If that's what actual people said i'm convinced half this site is just bots stirring shit up. no sane individual would say something so fucking stupid.
>>738225443Because lockpick and lockpick_RCM were directly linked to a profiteering ring that was shut down.
>>738226554Source on that?
>>738226604https://hackaday.com/2024/03/05/yuzu-and-citra-emulators-shut-down-after-legal-pressure-from-nintendo/
>>738226687Anon, I asked for source about lockpick and lockpick_RCM. They were both open source and free to anyone to modify and use, due to GPVL licensing. Furthermore they're not even made by the same devs behind Yuzu and Citra or Ryuijin.
>>738225274>until DRM crackers go public and start accepting money.see, you invented a cope as to why it's okaythey are fighting efforts to crack drm
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>>738227246> DMCA only applicable in USA> What are legal jurisdictions?Nintendo is cooked
>>738226284Capcom should be there
>>738227246>yuzu used lockpick, that means lockpick had to be banned Someone shot someone, that means we need to ban guns!?!?!?
>>738191364Steam's "license" is some loosely defined shit, cuz I have games that I can play but technically don't exist anymore. I can also play them without internet access. Once it's installed, valve just doesn't care.
>>738227191No they are fighting piracy as a business. Anyone can crack DRM in privacy and there's literally nothing Nintendo or anyone can do about it.
>>738227340>Once it's installed, valve just doesn't care.except they do care. which is why the installers are tied to the service. if you must ask permission to play the game, well, jokes on you.
>>738224949>Valve has arrested HL2 leaker.yes, he stole from them directly, it's a crimethat's how the world works>VPNyou clueless fucking retard, it's chinese new year and chinese share of the survey goes up, just like it did last yearthere is no mention of valve when it comes to those vpns>Money launderingdo you know how hard it is to prevent that? are you asking for id checks?>Stealing/melwaresee aboveyou're asking for a fucking surveillance state because some retards hurt themselves when given freedomyou're clueless and you came up with those copes on the spotdo you need to be reminded that your original cope was>Valve has historically asked cops to arrest the top pirate site owners or torrent download.
>>738227384I agree but a minor correction, if you will indulge me. That is not "piracy" but "counterfeiting". Piracy implies theft, a pilfering of goods. Digital games are not goods or physical in nature. They cannot, therefore, be stolen. They can be copied. Minor distinction but I don't want people repeating these corporate retards talking points.
>>738227384Then why do they constantly DMCA emulators and decryption tools? If they only cared about people profiting, then they would only go after the profiteers themselves, and not the tools.Come to think of it, why do they care about people profiting off of it again? If you bought the game physically, you should be allowed to profit off of it.
>>738227328I sympathize with Nintendo on this issue. Not my problem.
>>738227403What are you typing mate. Once your vidya installs, it's there and it ain't going away unless you put a magnet to your drives.
>>738227470DMCA, I believe, was made entirely for corporations to abuse and leave legal loop holes for them to weasel with. Basically a big legal club they can go around using without a care in the world because the powers who gave them that legal framework do not care.Keep in mind, again, that the DMCA only applies within the USA.
>>738227384>No they are fighting piracy as a businessthen why doesn't valve do the same?i'll answer this for you, because nintendo treats everyone like a potential fucking thiefthey don't respect their users
>>738227570>it's there and it ain't going away unless you put a magnet to your drives.> what is data corruption?> what are hardware failures?are you literally pretending to be stupid or are you is this just an act?
>>738227546>people who support digital games are corporate bootlickers>I also sympathize with nintendo shutting down ways of dumping their own keys from their own physical gamesTendies are such cultists.
>>738227613None of these corporations respect their users. They respect money. If there is a consideration to be made it is that happy customers continue to give the company money and that is why they cooperate. Nintendo, however, is staffed almost entirely by retards by the looks of it who seem to be alergic to money.
No one has had their Steam games taken away from them in 20 years other than for fraudulent purchases.
>>738227716>Tendies are such cultists.i've noticed this on this site and on others. literally cannot help them.
>>738227717valve has explicitly not given a shit about piracy since the start since they're confident that they can provide a better servicenintendo on the other hand provides such a shit service that they need to wall their customers in
>>738227751>other than for fraudulent purchases.that really seemed like some small print shit you did there. like something a weasel lawyer would do. and for what its worth every steam game "purchased" (i think you mean rented) will eventually be removed from their libraries.
>>738227656>magnet to PC>literally causes data corruption due to hardware failureAsk that question to the mirror, dude.
>>738227848>valve has explicitly not given a shit about piracy since the start since they're confident that they can provide a better servicethis is demonstrably false and retarded. if this was so, they would sell games on their platform like GoG does. not hide them behind an installer that forces people to call home to play them or install them. you cannot own anything you pay for on steam. please try your argument again.
>>738227470Looks like lockpick was already a legal grey area under heavy scrutiny from copyright law before anything happened to Yuzu, but was allowed to exist. Then after Yuzu was caught a link was discovered between them and Yuzu that showed lockpick facilitated Yuzu and that was enough for a judge to make a decision against them.
>>738227885i'm not sure if i have to use sign language with you or what. but computers fail all the time. if you installed some shit, it does not magically mean you will be able to install your game in 30 years like some old NES game because you magically think steam will still be around to verify your game.
>>738227912> crack digital "locks" outside of the USAproblem solved
>>738227906no? they just focus their service around convenience and seamlessnessthey don't give a shit about your installer fetish when in the end it's indistinguishable from a cracked steam game
>>738227906>this is demonstrably false and retarded. if this was so, they would sell games on their platform like GoG doesAre you trying to use the argument that steam tries locking their games behind platform exclusivity? Because IIRC they have no problem selling their games on other platforms. hell, didn't the portal collection receive a switch port? Didn't the orange box go multiplat?
>>738227947>computers fail all the timeGood thing digital games allow you to make backups.
>>738227613Valve only makes gambling services. Almost nothing they do is a commercially licensed good that can be owned.
>>738228019> argument centers around steam not caring about piracy> knows they use an installer that must verify the gamecan you please take the tape off of your fucking eyes man.
>>738228067>immediately pivots because he realizes he can't answer the question without making nintendo look badfine, i'll ask againwhy does nintendo fight piracy while valve doesn't?
>>738227716Maybe don't find yourself linked as a facilitator to a profiteering ring. I would never do this, so it's hard to sympathize with them.
>>738228030> has no problem selling the license to their game on a platform that has DRM as wellwell wow you really showed me>>738228063>"backups"of games you have to install through steam. yeah again uh.... what the fuck are you even saying? your one install will last forever? kek
>>738227947CDs and cartridges don't last forever either. That's why people digitize them. Besides, Goldberg exists for the artists obsessed with the act of installing over what gets installed.
>>738228118the steam client is there for convenience and access to steam's features, not for your survivalist fetishit's set up the way it is because they know that the overwhelming majority of people don't mind it and the few fringe schizos can just pirate
>>738228229>CDs and cartridges don't last forever eitherwell the key difference here, and write this down if you need to so you can read it later, is that you OWN THE FUCKING GAME. you can sell it. you can stick it up your ass. It's yours. you don't ask the company whether you can play it or not. i hope this helps.
>>738228169Profiteering rings use cars to drive around. I guess we need to arrest car manufacturers?>>738228170>what the fuck are you even saying? Nintendo refuses to let me play my WiiU and 3DS games on the Switch, while my 2012 steam purchases work on all my modern computers. Hell, my PC games from 1999 still work, and all I had to do was turn them into digital games.
>>738228127Nintendo makes games and their games are products and not services. Because their games are products they can be pirated and distributed illegally, unlike services which can have neither done to them. They need protection from piracy and it's in their best interest to protect their property.
>>738228304>is that you OWN THE FUCKING GAMESo I can make copies and sell them to my friends?
>>738228265>the steam client is there for convenience and access to steam's features, not for your survivalist fetishi don't know how you even operate in real life with this logic. the installer is there because it is their form of DRM. how much fucking cope are you on? you literally do not own shit on steam. saying that it can be pirated does not mean you magically own the games or that steam doesn't care. they do care. that's why they have the fucking installer. you people need to really think about this for a moment.
>>738228314> nintendo refuses> guy buys game on platform it was made for, suddenly upset it doesn't magically work on new platformdo you sometimes buy a car with an old engine an then get upset that the engine in your old car doesn't work with the newer car? your argument about convenience is literally some sort of pow wow dance into retard land. you don't own any of these games man. if you want to rent shit forever, that's okay, do that. some of us want to keep owning what we pay for.
>>738228314You can be arrested for driving a car if the car was used to facilitate a crime. This isn't an attack on cars, this is an attack on crimes.
>>738228351you own the copy of the game they sold you, not the IP on the media. it's often confusing for people to understand that but yeah you can do whatever the hell you want until you can't. i'm not your dad. do what you want.
>>738228440> guy buys game on platform it was made for, suddenly upset it doesn't magically work on new platformA game shouldn't be "made for one platform." It should work on any computer with an operating system.>>738228463And pray tell, what crime was being committed that required every emulator AND Lockpick to be brought down? And why is nobody else allowed to distribute this software, or use it?
>>738228354the installer is there because they know people use steam for its fucking feature setthey don't give a shit about the fringe who want installers because in the end those people are having the same experience as pirates
>>738228497>you don't own the IPSo you don't own the game. Why did you lie to me?
>>738228509> every game should be made with the idea that future technology can be absolutely predicted and software made to operate on it.your logic is flawed sir.
>>738228535then why have the installer ffs. you really need to think about what you are saying. just be like GoG and let people install the game without connecting to the internet. oh what's that? you have to? oh well shit i guess you don't own the game and we're right back to arguing the same shit again.
>>738228569Uh, yeah? That's the whole point of emulators, my dude. Nobody expected 30 years of console games to work on unapproved PC hardware, and yet here we are.
>>738228552if you cannot discern the difference between a copy of a game and the games intellectual property and trademarks and copyrights and shit, well my friend, you need to visit a library so you can grasp those concepts. i cannot lead you to the promised land. you have to walk there yourself.
>>738228346and what the fuck do you think all the games sold on steam are? if anything by your fucking logic valve should care more about piracy since pc is a much bigger platform than nintendo and it's much easier to pirate on pcbut they don'tbecause they don't have the vitriol towards the market like nintendo who just wants control
>>738228630emulators are illegal according to the people who are trying to resell you the same fucking game for 20 years. i'm not arguing about the advocacy of emulators. we already have them and companies can't do shit about them. i'm not sure if you are the same retard anon but the premise of the argument is that you cannot own anything that steam "sells" you.
Goldberg solves the installation problem the local autistic anon is melting down over.
>>738228663>because they don't have the vitriol towards the marketoh my sweet summer child. corporations don't care about you. they do what is in their interest. customers be damned. i hope you do not implicitly go around trusting these fuck sticks. you will regret it.
>>738228743> illegal solutions existmy god you people really are dense. if we're just going to pirate shit, then pirate it. idgaf. but don't come in here acting like steam is somehow on your side and that they care. gaben is on a fucking yacht getting blown by escorts and you want to glaze him like he's your personal god. give your head a shake.
>>738228601>then why have the installer ffs.because steam is about conveniencehow many fucking times do i need to repeat it?valve doesn't care about serving you because they know you're more anal and petty and less likely to buy gamesthey're telling you to fuck off and pirate if you want to participate in your gay little larp
>>738228646Just sounds like physical cope. You got scammed into paying for plastic that you can't even modify or make copies of. You dont even own the game itself.
>>738228813no, you clown. >valve doesn't care about serving you because they know you're more anal and petty and less likely to buy gamesthey just have enough of you retards espousing the benefits of not owning shit because you're convinced your games will be there in 20 years. well for your sake, i hope you're right. i have no skin in the steam game. idgaf.
>>738228832i actually like the physical copies though because they come with shit i enjoy. old games did i mean. whereas new games come with a middle finger in the box with a code attached to it saying 'download this shit cunt' and well, at that point you might as well spin up your bit torrent client.
>>738228797>>738228701The point is that you petty legalities are laughable. As if words on paper will suddenly make me give up the convenience and freedom of digital.You cannot take my games away from me. It's been 20 years, you fellas have sworn up and down that steam and GOG will steal away our games any day now. When they do, when they magically find a kill switch that destroys all digital games, then I will concede this argument in your favor. Until then, I shall continue enjoying AND OWNING my digital games, while you enjoy your plastic rentals. ;)
>>738228859see, you're being pettythere's functionally no difference between an installer and a cracked and zipped version of a steam gamethey're not wasting traffic and dev time on your niche demands when it's functionally already fucking there, you just want valve to give you a star and pat on the back
>>738228898>convenience and freedom of digital.if that is worth paying full price for shit you can't own well i mean i'm not going to convince you otherwise. you're not really all there in the head or too young to understand what ownership even means. i feel sorry for you.fwiw i didn't say shit about GoG because the distinction here is that GoG actually sells you the fucking game. You download it, you install it, it's yours. you don't ask them anything ever again. steam other other fucking hand, well these cunts just say 'no you can't install this game locally without asking us first and then we'll decide if you can play what you paid for'do you understand the argument i'm making or is this just not registering at all?
>>738228940i'm not arguing about the efficacy of downloading cracked games though. that is clearly more convenient and smarter than paying a company to ass fuck you with a digital 'good' that you have to constantly ask to play.ownership is not petty. at least in the case of downloading copies from the high seas you actually literally do own it. you aren't asking anyone permission to play it. i hope you understand this distinction. like do you ask permission from the shirt company who sold you shirt if you can put it on in the morning? i fucking hope not.
>>738228940>you just want valve to give you a star and pat on the backi don't want anything from valve because their business model is solely for retards who have been convinced that paying for shit they cannot own is a valuable "service" or whatever you're calling it.
>>738228992>fwiw i didn't say shit about GoG because the distinction here is that GoG actually sells you the fucking game.Meanwhile, in an earlier post of yours:>you don't own DIGITAL games period. You can't resell them, so it doesn't count as ownershipThen again, expecting logic and consistency from a tendie is a fool's errand.
>>738229139If you pack the whole thing in a USB stick, it's basically no different than a CD or cartridge.
>>738229139Well there again, you cannot resell GoG's games. I mean they can't stop you but I don't recall their ToS saying you can. Maybe i'm wrong.>from a tendiewhen the fuck did i say i'm on nintendos side? fuck nintendo and fuck you.
>>738229062>>738229091no one is asking herepeople have spent months without being online on steam and they can still play gamesif you're not a schizo you won't have issues having steam running and if you are then you're running linux where it's sandboxedyou're given easy means of achieving your steamless functionality with goldbergit is indeed pettyyour gog installer is indistinguishable from pirated gog installers, your sense of ownership is just a feeling that you're trying to rationalize
>>738229232>if you're not a schizo you won't have issues having steam runningah yes, i want some shit running in the background of my machine i'm not even using. >your gog installer is indistinguishable from pirated gog installers, your sense of ownership is just a feeling that you're trying to rationalizewell no, if you want to support the devs who make good games you pay them money. wherein the case of GoG, from what I gather, they are licensing the game from them which you can buy, but in digital form. whereas if i just download it, i'm not giving them shit. it means i don't care. either way is fine i guess.anyway steam is for retards and is gay but enjoy your non-ownership of you games.
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>>738229360question for you. if i sell you something, like a hat, do you think i should be able to decide if you can wear it?
>>738228509>And pray tell, what crime was being committed that required every emulator AND Lockpick to be brought down?Profiteering and mass distribution of unlicensed media>And why is nobody else allowed to distribute this softwareBecause they aren't the IP owner or own the copy rights.
>>738229332>ah yes, i want some shit running in the background of my machine i'm not even using.so are you running linux or is this performative cope?there is no difference between gog versions and steam versions, the developers get the same 70/30 cut, you have equal digital licensesthe only difference is that steam gives you those games through a function focused and feature packed client while gog gives you a fetish installer version that you jerk yourself off over because you think it makes you smart or something
>>738228663>and what the fuck do you think all the games sold on steam areProperty of someone else who isn't Valve.
>>738229460>Profiteering and mass distribution of unlicensed mediaAnd can you prove that lockpick themselves was behind this?>Because they aren't the IP owner or own the copy rights.All lockpick does is enable you to dump the keys from YOUR OWN PHYSICAL GAME. The game you said you owned, remember?
>>738229497i don't know if you are retarded full time or just part time. but if i "buy" shit from steam I cannot install it offline. i cannot play it offline. if i buy from GoG i pay them, they let me download the fucking game and that's it. there is a functional difference there but you keep trying to suggest they are the same thing. you may be actually stupid i'm just not sure if you're larping or what.
>>738229530>And can you prove that lockpick themselves was behind this?Nintendo proved it in court to a judge that lockpick was facilitating Yuzu. It was probably an email or DM that linked the two.
>>738229564>I cannot install it offline.does the installer telepathically arrive in your downloads folder?>i cannot play it offline.yes, you can>there is a functional difference there but you keep trying to suggest they are the same thing. you may be actually stupid i'm just not sure if you're larping or what.yes, the gog version is more barren because you're chasing the highly performative installer aestheticyou have a windowsian attitude towards software and it showsmaybe if you started using linux you would hate your computer less
>>738191364Buy game, back it up, put on multiple machines. Download cracked executables.
>>738229626>Nintendo proved it in court to a judge that lockpick was facilitating Yuzu.wtf no they didn't you damn liar. Nintendo never even took lockpick to court, and the court case they pushed against yuzu had nothing to do with them.You tendies are legitimately psychopathic liars.
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>>738229719you are beyond help. but i'm curious. how much money have you given steam? how much would you value your collection at?
>>738229761That's what I think happened. Feel free to do your own research.
>>738229850no, you're beyond help, you don't understand computers and got lost in the fucking voodoo and aesthetics and overcompensate by fetishizing installers
>>738229910> retard still going on about installersmother fucker, you literally can't play your shit if you buy it on steam without them allowing you to. what part don't you get?
>>738229505that changes nothing, tendienintendo is at a record level of revenue and they're more defensive than ever despite being safer than ever
>>738229892Well, I actually researched the case, and lockpick was never once indicted in any wrongdoing, since they never provided any games or ISOs themselves. It was literally just a tool to extract the data from legally owned copies of the games. Which means you had to own the game physically. By your logic, Nitnendo should've had zero recourse against this. Nintendo is literally punishing people who bought games physically.
>>738229972> switch 2 failing to sellyeah totally bro, totally. tendies winning.
>>738229989>Nintendo is literally punishing people who bought games physically.sounds like something nintendo would do
>>738230053Which means physical games are bad. I can't recall ol' gaben ever punishing me for cracking and owning my steam games. GOG even less so.
>>738229963the part where i should be obsessing about an apocalypse scenario
>>738230084oh ffs. i'm going to just go ahead and agree with you that nintendo is staffed by cock gobblers and not to support them. but i'm still buying physical games.
>>738230097> anon thinks the only thing that will stop him from glazing gabens cock is an apocalypsehow much are they paying you? jfc this is sick.
>>738229972I sympathize with Nintendo so I don't care. You can cry if that helps.
>>738229989>Nintendo is literally punishing people who bought games physically.Not at all. There's no good reason to distribute keys publicly and this doesn't effect me at all.
>>738230178why should I give a shit about running the steam client? this is literally the only functional difference between steam and gog and the client's features are useful to meif I didn't trust it then I could be running the flatpak sandboxed version or I'd just use it for downloads and crack games immediately I doubt you even know what a flatpak is, your act is purely performative, you only care about being completely independent until you have to actually do something meaningful like switching to Linux
>>738230393>there's no good reason to distribute keys publiclyBut Lockpick wasn't doing that. They were allowing people to rip the keys from their own games. They never distributed keys.
>>738230308yes, you're a cultist and making excuses for nintendo because they gave you plastic you can't face the reality that they love DRM and will find any way they can to enforce it
>>738230568This is the same guy calling digital game owners "corporate bootlickers" by the way.
>>738230483> you should have to jump through hoops like me to enjoy your games that you paid forno i think i'll just keep buying physical games and play them and put them on my shelf, maybe sell them off again and buy something else. you can do whatever linux fuckery tarballing you want and maybe chmod yourself a new more perms to be a retard.
>>738230541Still doesn't affect me.
>>738230568Yeah I can. I support DRM and copyright laws. They're doing exactly what I would do myself.
>>738230720>steam client bad>console os goodyou just eliminated yourself here
>>738230801Prove him wrong.
>>738230786>>738230746>literal "embarassed millionaire" mindset
>>738230801> anon still punching air trying to apt get himself a cluei feel so sorry for you that one day you will have all your steam games removed from your library while you sit there trying figure out what to do next.
>>738230786>nintendo doesn't enforce their drm>actually drm is a good thingso you have no principles
>>738230859he may not have princples but he can at least sell the shit he doesn't like that nintendie sells him.
>>738230858you mean gog?they got sold off because they make no money for cdpr
>>738230940no idea
>>738230859>>738230832>I am yet again greentext strawmanningDo I really have you in that much of a bind?
