Why are modern devs so bad at capturing the spirit of life sim games? Is it because the industry is full of otaku?
>>738200236Because it's a dream now. Owning land and being profitable as a sustenance farmer is not compatible with the world scene anymore.
>>738200236Harvest Moon grew too big at its own expense. Life sim was initially a smaller part of the game.
>>738200236>mfw weather channel says it's gonna rain tomorrow
>>738200437That's really what I don't like. I want to focus on the farming, the minor social aspect, and maybe a simple fishing minigame. I don't really need the in-depth mining/dungeon crawling, crafting, or RPG mechanics in a farming sim.
>>738200641it's weird because most people seem to want the exact opposite. stardew valley didn't help, but rune factory was already doing it way earlier.
Corporate CEOs think farms are an abstract concept and not a real thing so the direction they want to take farming games in very rarely equates to comfy and fulfilling.
>>738200236>>738200641>>738200831>>738200838We're all playing Fields of Mistria
>>738200938>early accessmiss me with that shit. thanks for testing, though.
>>738200437Back to Nature is kino because it hits a great balance between all the elements and it all feels very natural. I don't like how much Stardew Valley focuses on building up and crafting as if it's a survival game, and the characters are obnoxious tumblrites.
>>738200627>he didn't hire sprites for manual labor
>>738200938>fantasy rpgslop
>>738200236Because that asshole made Stardew valley so now every life sim has to have dog shit combat eat up half the play time, it ruined the genre. Still mad
>>738200831I never liked Rune Factory.
>>738201286RF is interesting in that each from the initially kept improving things so much it invalidated the earlier game(s). You basically only need to play RF3. No idea what happened to the series since.
>>738200938None of these look like real people and just looking at these characters makes it obvious that they all have generic "peppy quest giver" and other animeslop non-personalities.
>>738201084>>738201673y'all are so cucked out
>>738201956Just messing with ya haha, cheers friend!
>>738200236They don't know how to modernize the concept, so now they add a lot of fantasy and battle systems to "spice it up".In guardians of Azuma the farming part of the game is almost inexistent, and you can even accelerate the growing of the crops in one day, the "fun" part of the game is fighting monsters and building the towns.
>>738200236I'm waiting for Evershine. Hope it won't suck and town management is actually fun.
You don't mean 'spirit'. You just can't describe what about the games you may be thinking of was worthwhile.You can't describe it but expect other people to manifest your desires anyway.
>>738200236Literally all I want is a game that looks like this, that's literally all I need, most modern graphics look so fucking washed up and uncomfy.
>>738200236Because these games are expected to have a lot of mechanics and all of them to have some level of depth and complexity.
>>738200236>Is it because the industry is full of otaku?"Trannies" is the word you were looking for.
>>738200236Otaku were the only people making games in this genre before Stardew Valley
>>738200838Your post as a whole doesn't make sense because real life farming is not comfy at all, so them making the games stray from that is more real than whatever you're talking about
>>738202527p sure hes describing it as spirit
the posts itt are RETARTED
>>738203556Quantify 'spirit' then, faggot.
>>738200236>muh modern devsNot even Natsume could capture the soul of BtN.
>>738202527it's pretty simple actually>modern rural village where everyone knows each other and you're the city slicker outsider>characters have boundaries and take time to warm up to you, they don't exposition-dump>no skill points, experience, or any of that RPG nonsense>folklore themes appropriate for the setting, no wizard tower in the US shit>meaningful limitations on your time, you can't and are not encouraged to theme-park max out everything every day, if you go mining then you'll miss out on socializing or foraging for the day
most games are made by nerds with no life experiencesif you want that you should try going outside
What baffles me is why all these corpo hack fraud fucks keep making 3D harvest moon clones with neon colors and no textures. It's always neon green fucking grass with no texture. Pretty much every Story of Seasons game for years, the new Rune Factory. IF YOU'RE GOING TO FUCKING MAKE A TOP DOWN GAME GIVE IT SOME FUCKING GROUND TEXTURES MOTHERFUCKER.>>738202734I MEAN LOOK AT ALL THE TEXTURING ON THIS UNC ASS GAME! ITS STILL COMPLETELY READABLE, YOU CUNTS! JUST DO THIS! FUCK. I'M SICK OF FARMING GAMES ACTUAL FARMING AREAS LOOKING LIKE "MY FIRST ROBLOX CREATION". FUCK YOU!
>>738203908lol... if you need it explained youll never understand.
>>738201438I prefer RF to HM but I kinda like both. Is the wonderful life any good? I heard that entry is bit depressing. I also haven't played the 2 newest RF's are they any good? For the record I really liked Frontier, RF4, original snes HM and the 64 one.
>>738200308farming is so overprotected by the system you would have to be dumb as dirt to fuck it upyou have a special kind of bankruptcy just for farmers. special loans for farmers. look at the price of food you can't make me believe they arent all disgustingly rich.
>>738200236>>738200308>>738200437>>738200627Favorite theme and season? For me it's winter.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQpbXAmRMqASimply perfect.>>738200641Sorry but Minecraft was really successful and made a lot of money so now every single video game needs to have mining and crafting. I dropped Stardew Valley the moment I noticed it had full blown mining and crafting.
>>738204568go looks up fertilizer costs
>>738204662>moment I noticed it had full blown mining and crafting.
>>738204662>Favorite theme and season? For me it's winter.Autumn, I love rain.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLewTgVy-fs
Even HM64 has mining, but it's implemented well. It's only available for part of Winter and just serves as an alternate way to pass time since you aren't really outside.
>>738200236nigga, the industry is full of opposite of otaku nowit's full of faggots now
>>738204568>look at the price of foodYou do know that produce is sold at a MASSIVE markup right? Farmers get paid like 10-15% of the final price of the products on the super market.
>>738204568Land is expensive. Returns suck. A bad harvest can put you in the red for years. Companies buy up land to collect farmers' gibs.It's incredible how the most important supply chain of civilization sucks so much.
The elites don't want you to know this: https://youtu.be/_pDTiFkXgEE
>>738200236>modernlife sim games exploded years ago when a good one finally landed on PC.where have you been?
>>738208958You mean farm-themed craftybuilders, not life sims.
>>738209141no, there have been a lot of games that branch away from the farm idea and just become general sims.but on the topic of craftybuilders nintendo who is slow on trends has made yet another one recently incase you missed it.it is an old trend at this point.
>>738200627
>>738207409you know they compensate you to grow shit people need to eat right?who does the public actually bail out? why did american's pay argentina farmers? oh right because the american public is DUMB AS DIRTlearn basic math > become farmer > work "hard" aka get machines to do it > win
>>738204568That's only true for corporate farms that don't even step foot on their farm's state let alone the farm itself.
>>738200236Mineral Town... Home...
>>738202324i kneel
>>738200236>Is it because the industry is full of otaku?Otaku are what made the old HM games great.Don't be dumb.Its because people that like stuff like this >>738201673 invaded the industry and specifically swarmed that genre.
the only farming games i've played are harvest moon snes, n64, and ps1
>>738201673>None of these look like real peopleHow is that an issue?
>>738200236I don't think modern game developers think like the guy on the left anymore. I can't imagine a lot of modern game developers being inspired to create something based on a real world experience, so you get something impersonal and uninspired.Also, I have a more personal grudge against developers not chosing target audiences for their games.
>>738200838A modern hellscape farming simulator would be kino though>grow bugs and turn them into food>grow real food for the elites>securing clean water sources>have to hire and maintain armed guards against the masses
>>738200236I could never get into Harvest Moon 64 because of the black void all around the overworld. To me it ruins the game and makes it seem like it's always night-time.
>>738201673Dogshit character design. Only Celine is any good.
>>738200236Harvest Moon was created by someone who grew up on that kind of lifestyle and wanted to recreate it in video game form.Pretentious indie devs have never stepped foot outside of a big city even once.
>>738204662There's a certain charm to old gameboy musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJU8gGv7Cf0
>>738204139I also wonder how Marvelous (the devs of RF and real Harvest Moon) is so fucking retarded when it comes to aesthetic visual direction. Stardew Valley is literally a wholesale ripoff of Harvest Moon and completely outsold everything Marvelous has ever done. And what does Marvelous do? Release even uglier looking game. I wish I knew nip just so I could read up and maybe understand where their incompetence stems from. Is it the owner? Did talent leave? Just clueless Japanese buisness boomers? Basically they just need to revist the first Harvest Moon and it would sell.
>>738201673This is weird. It's like they're aiming for that 90s anime style then slipped. Guess their AI generator can't keep up once they forced it to add the usual modern audience bait.
are there any new harvest moon likes worth playing?
Is there a reason to play Harvest Moon after Stardew?
>>738200236This game was my childhoodKaren is best girl
>>738215371better vibes better wives
>>738200236prerendered food just tastes better.
it's time to admit that merging female protagonists into the main game is what really killed the genre. it's just like gachashit. when you go mixed toilet you turn into shit.
>>738214359The first two look like they were ripped out from some old PC98 eroge. The rest just look so soulless but I can't really put my finger on exactly why. Lacks creativity I think?
I'd enjoy the Harvest Moon and Story of Seasons games if they'd only had more events. I'm sorry but you're sitting at like six or seven character events for bachelorettes, your most important characters, that's not acceptable. You don't have to go full JRPG and have huge storylines for everyone but there should be enough where they're not so frustratingly sparse and lifeless.
>>738217287Nah... Women genuinely like these games. It's the one genre I don't really grudge them. The problem is more that they'll bloat the games with stupid side mechanics and automation instead of putting more effort into making the sewing, watering and harvesting parts of the sim engaging.
>>738200938The game isn't finished yet is it? I don't want to invest fifty hours into a game just for the actual story stuff and romance stuff to be dumped right as I'm burning out.
>>738201673I love Harvest Moon, when I saw this game on my Steam front page I bought it but then I insta refunded it when I saw the forced pronouns. It looks like generic 90's anime style forced into a farming sim. This game was probably made by a troon.
Many people hate the success of Stardew Valley, but really I've yet to find another farm sim that's the complete package like SV is. The others either look like shit, have worse mechanics or the setting is too fantastical.Personally I'd prefer a farming sim with very deep farming mechanics - crop rotation, soil nutrients, pests to take care of etc - but without the focus on machine operation like in Farming Simulator. I guess what I'm looking for is a too specific niche. Closest I've seen is UnReal World (more of a survival sim with some farming) and Vintage Story (I REALLY wish it didn't look like a Minecraft mod)
>>738219259they liked the games before they ruined themselves trying to appeal to them more. it's obvious what the cost was when you compare the rf3 heroines to the rf4 ones.
Any chance of one of these farming games that aren't set in a generic human (probably vaguely euro/NA) setting?How about being a dwarf responsible for feeding a new mountainhome colony (or an old one)?How about instead of being a farmer revitalizing the town you're a shaman/witch that 'farms' by exploiting nature spirits from an understanding of the ecosystem gifted to you from dancing naked in the rain at midnight.JUST ANYTHING FUCKING DIFFERENT HOLY SHIT.
>>738215371Cleansing yourself of the poz
>>738201673I swear westerners are so disgusting and evil
>>738220634>JUST ANYTHING FUCKING DIFFERENT HOLY SHITGrimshire. It's Stardew Valley but the area is affected by a plague and you need to overproduce and have proper storage (food spoils here). Do a bad job and citizens get sick and may dieit's furry and looks like shit
>>738200236>"Life sim">Not immersive at all>Character doesn't even need to shit or eat>No risk/reward element to survival>Its basically just token collection and legosThere's nothing comfy about having a well built house without a raging storm outside that would tear a lesser one down.
>>738219321>The game isn't finished yet is it?not yet but it's very close, 1.0 will be out before the end of the year
>>738202734Damn I miss when games looked like this.
>>738218540>The rest just look so soulless but I can't really put my finger on exactly why.They're made to be for 'queers'. Men who aren't even remotely man-like.
>>738221272women and lgbt people are the primary spenders on the cozy genre, maybe you should play something else
>>738221409"LGBT" don't spend money on anything on a noticeable level and most women are heterosexuals who like their men to be men.
>>738202439I don't like the art style they're going with for Evershine. Very different from the previous games.
>>738221463you are coping and getting mad about games that aren't made for you
>>738221471embracing chinkslop graphic is never a great sign for a chinese companydoubly odd to change style in the third game for no real reason
>>738220984Then I'll wait until the end of the year to marry my cute and lovely Reina <3
>>738220223Kinda different games? The influx of bachelors flooding your town is defo an issue but rune factory is clearly made for male players and not women. Women would hate the ultra cute anime like nature of the RF girls. For down to earth farming sims I'm a bit more accepting.
>>738201438RF4 is the best.It's like they kept asking "how can we make this more autistic" until they just couldn't answer.
Ever since I was a child playing the gameboy and before Stardew Valley was a thing I daydreaming about making my own Harvest Moon game with stuff like animal husbandry for meat and more cute girls to date with more indepth storylines that aren't just limited to heart events Now Stardew made my dream gay and lame
>>738221409Nah, I was playing this genre before any of those faggots existed. Suck my balls lol
>>738222084would you feel better if i told you that your dream was always gay and lame, even before stardew valley came out?
>>738201673Lol at the faggot queers ITT trying to defend this shit. I'm so glad your gay propaganda is slowly but surely dying :)
>>738221540You sound mad that someone isn't buying your nonsense desu.>no you can't aim for 98% of humanity you must focus on a usbet of the remaining 2%
What makes a good "Life sim" game?At what point does adding more, take away from the game?What keeps a person engaged with a life sim game with a comfortable game loop that isn't too much of a grind and isn't so dull you feel no need to engage with it? I think a common pitfall is excessive crafting (Starting to look like Terraria) and dipping toes into dungeon crawling, in which, it's often better to be a dungeon crawler first with a life sim side game, than the other way around.And for the sake of it being important,Multiplayer, yes or no? Sharing creations, and custom items and stuff?I think multiplayer gives a bigger initial boost but ultimately is doomed to the 2 week minecraft cycle
Anyone play the Grand Bazaar remake? I heard it was suppose to be pretty good.
>>738221765if it was made for male players why would they cut the number of waifus in half to add characters that would only appeal to homos but you can't even be a homo until 5?
>>738219876Make a farming sim with the mechanics of Sakuna and I'd be in heaven
>>738200236It's because the industry is full of gacha and lootbox players
>>738211275Pic is why AC will never be good again
It's because developers are too concerned with the contingent of players who compulsively need to solve every game, to find the meta, and to grind efficiently. So you end up with game philosophy concerned with creating and sustaining addiction instead of simulation. So basically what >>738223315 said.
>>738204662>Can't fish>Can't farm>No fest>Sometime you need to skip a dayNow that i think about it, winter suck
Most devs have never touched grass, never made friends, never tried growing a single crop. They are trying to replicate video game experiences, not real life experiences like the old devs.
>cozy genre>look inside>ugly art>uninteresting writing>mechanics straight out of SNES Harvest MoonRF4 was the last time this genre was good. Indie devs are more interested in making their game "cozy" than in making a good or innovative game.
>>738224794i always like winter cause i could focus on chatting up the ladies....
>>738200236>Is it because the industry is full of otaku?The industry is the opposite of otaku, actually
>>738218540>The first two look like they were ripped out from some old PC98 erogeNo, they're redrawn frames from sailor moon.
>>738224794>Now that i think about it, winter suckOld Harvest Moon games weren't afraid to give players downtime like that. Winter was incredibly important because it was the one time of the entire year you actually had spare time to look around and explore.It's very easy for us to look back and go>"Actually there was a lot of time to do most things if you did things optimally"But we were kids. We had little to no idea of what we were doing in those games. It's why I look back on winter so fondly, my little kid brain was just going around going "Wooooah there's snow everywhere" or some other dumb thing.This is incredibly important and I think the devs knew it. It's why it's my favorite season.
>>738215371>Is there a reason to play Harvest Moon after Stardew?>Is there a reason to play a better game after playing a shitty oneI dunno anon, you tell me.
