They got mogged. It's only natural for hacks to be butthurt.

>>738204212
>erm why the H*CK did i see people saying stupid things on twitter???
Because you go out of your way to find people saying stupid things on twitter.

>>738204212
Probably because Elden Ring objectively was bad and people didn't realize it would become a hit among the people that don't play video games but watch le epic lore fanfiction videos.

Because ER has outdated and in some cases straight up bad design but it gets a pass because le epic memeazaki

>>738204212
Those niggers got btfod so hard in the replies, it was a massacre.

>>738204438
Link? I don't use twitter, but a good laugh is always appreciated.

ER's flaws make it feel organic next to sterile ass west shit game design.

>>738204212
>recycled dark souls formula (for the 7th time) in every sense of the word, several NPC quests were broken on release because they still want to use NPC invaders some 15 years later
>open "world" that's really just an arena because there are literally no towns of settlements in the game the player can explore or interact with in anyway way
>the two "towns" in the game are either filled with enemies or full of jars that sit around and do nothing until WHOOPSIE THEY'RE ALL DEAD AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S DARK SOULS AND EVERYONE DIES XD!!!
>endless copy pasted dungeons full of copy pasted enemies as bosses filled with items you'll never use
>"lore" is an even more cryptic and contrived mess than their usual fair, and world building is literally non existent aside from "beginner area, red area, blue area".

the only thing of worth about elden shart is the fantastic art direction and all it has done is reaffirm my opinion that from is hard carried by their art people. miyazaki and his group of fucking lazy shit eating retards couldn't actually design a good game again if their lives depended on it, you know when they're not blatantly ripping off berserk at every turn.

>>738204438
How? They're right on all counts. The game barely ran at launch and required emergency patches, the quest design is "look this shit up on a wiki", and the interface is basically a downgrade from their earlier games required to accommodate the needless added bloat

>>738204212
The western industry is pretty racist against the Japanese, I dunno if you've noticed

>>738204212
Okay but he had a point about the quest design. Not even the most ardent FROMdrone can defend ER’s quest design

>>738204678
I defend it. quests being obscure is part of the souls series "一期一会" design philosophy.

I haven't played a western game since the 2010's.
I won't even pirate them.

>>738204853
No excuse for there not to be a quest journal + it just doesn’t work in an open world. Having to go online to look up how to do each quest is bad

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>noooooo you must play my games :(((((
That's Ahmed Salama, btw.

>>738204953
you don't need to look up anything online. that's your personal choice to ruin your experience.

>>738205197
No, you’re wrong. It’s bad and incentivizes looking shit up online.

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>>738204212
It was a threat to all the failed screenwriters who were/are trying to turn video games into 90% cinematic/cutscenes and walking simulators for their shitty writing.
Regardless of whether you think ER has shitty writing, at least you're actually playing the game 90% of the time instead of watching cutscenes or being forced to walk at a snail's pace while NPCs spew garbage.

>>738204785
It's always funny to see them call it generic when the west puts much less effort into a cool vaguely medieval inspired setting. It's always boring realismslop

>>738205317
no, it incentivizes autistic content hunts and playing around with interactions to discover deeply hidden things. the looking shit up online is you refusing the game's invitation to do that.

>>738205317
it incentivizes not caring about missing out on content.

>>738205435
I have to ask what the fuck happened. Western games used to have shit like Morrowind (still better world design than any RPG to this date), arcanum, planescape, just shit that made boring medievalslop look so generic in comparison. It wasn't always like this.

>>738205317
That's like saying adding depth to game mechanics and not having the game play itself is bad because it incentivizes people with no patience to go online and have Youtubers tell them how to play and what moves to use.

>>738204212
it has too much gameplay and not enough slow walking segments with characters quipping and exposition dumping

>>738204659
this https://posfie.com/@Weisskaiser/p/9mJeYeZ?page=4

>>738204571
Ok but I can actually play ER instead of watching a movie-game.

>>738204212
the fact he cares about reviewer scores is even more insane. he's not even looking in the right place

>>738205485
>>738205570
>>738205618
I do not believe a single one of you played and 100%’d every single piece of content in ER with never searching anything up

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Game "UX" is the biggest fucking pile of hackwit entryists in the business right next to "community liasons" and "webmasters".
UI was better when it was being made by programmers and just touched-up by artists.

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This guy getting mad at how obscure and esoteric the stuff in Elden Ring can get is angry because he's someone who looks stuff up on a wiki instead of having fun sharing new stuff they found with people like we did in the threads

>>738204212
>Western Devs don't understand a single lick about what makes good game design
>Complain about a game with nothing but good game design

Yup, it neatly adds up in a logical manner.

>>738204212
>jeet
>woman
>soi boi
opinions invalid

>>738205862
Or he is a western game developer who was taught that if the audience doesn't see something it's a waste and should not be added into the game.

>>738204212
All of this doesn't matter that much, but the quests in ER were literally incomplete on release. Nepheli's quest wasn't implemented correctly so it couldn't end, Patches' quest ending also wasn't implemented, others didn't work.

>>738205770
never claimed I did 100% the game. never looked shit up either. I could boot up elden ring first time in few years today and within minutes find new content to experience. you dont have that luxury because you chose to treat the game like a baking recipe.

>>738205770
how does that address
>>738205618

>>738205197
You can't complete quests or initiate them in ER without looking it up. I wish I didn't, but I had no choice by ER is a terribly written and designed game.

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>devs complaining about quests in ER when literally every NPC tells you where they're going and follows you towards the Erdtree

>half the endings in Sekiro requires hugging specific walls, reusing a consumable, and reloading the same 3 areas over and over

>>738205770
no one ever said anything about 100%ing the game or that there is a compulsive neccesity to do so. that is again a creation and impulse borne of your own mind.

>>738205591
All mindbroken by the witcher and movie games

>>738204953
Cattle

>>738205963
And yet they were still better than pretty much anything modern w*stern devs can put out which is why they got so assmad about it.

>>738206097
>no you can't initiate quests or complete them period without looking them up
That's a pretty extreme position to take.

The ubisoft UIX designer was the biggest piece of shit from the entire thing. People mod their games to fix their crappy HUD by removing it completely.

>>738204212
Elden Ring has no quest design. You talk to an NPC who gives you a couple cryptic lines which opens a portal in some corner half a world away and if you BY SHEER FUCKING LUCK manage to find it it takes you to a completely new zone with a bunch of new(reskinned) bosses. Souls games are the definition of wiki games. So you either need to have a guide/walkthrough on the other monitor or just accept the fact that you will miss a bunch of shit.

>>738206608
>but who watches the wiki author?
those articles gotta come from somewhere. believe it or not it's not all data mining. some people just play the fucking game and figure it out. they will even tell you that's what they like about a game!

shit game, the worst souls

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>>738206726
>those articles gotta come from somewhere.
Oh like the OFFICIAL FUCKING GAME GUIDE?!?!

>>738206726
They’re hyper autistic trannies that play the game 24/7 so they can have bragging rights about “I wish the first to discover this and put it online!” And then everyone who comes after them just looks it up. I don’t believe anyone that says they never consulted a wiki while playing this game

>>738204212
It must have been a blow to their ego to see Fromsoft come out of nowhere to release the greatest open world game of all time on their first attempt at the genre so casually and find success, whereas Rockstar or whatever spend decades to shit out a walking simulator even its low IQ fans admit feels awful to play.

>>738207315
Is he calling a game an app?

>its licherally impossible to even start quests in elden ring without a guide
Bait used to be believable.

>>738207315
>cuck of war profile picture saying anything about anyone else
lmao

>>738204212
>EXTRACTION SHOOTER!!!
>GOY!!!

>>738204212
>nigger
>foid
>søycuck
You could ask a potato for its opinion on ER and it would be more relevant than all of those 3 subhumans combined

>>738207090
He's right, btw.

They should just change this board to /tw/ - twitter

>>738207518
Man that first view of Liurnia is probably one of the best vistas in Elden Ring.
>I can tell theyre designed to lure me towards something and I resist the goal
>look at the art of...and your eye knows where to go without an objective
doesn't that just mean the art piece is luring your eyes towards certain areas

>>738204404
>outdated

So good design then.

>>738204212
It didn't have cutscenes interrupted by walk and talk segments with some cutscenes on top. That's not what gaming is about. They were right to criticize it.

>>738207361
goy games

>flaming poop
Ahmed.. this isn't linkedin.. you can say shit..

>>738207419
Beautifully obnoxious when retards check how many people finish a game and then act surprised that it has the same numbers as any other game.

lol?
western fags did and have done nothing but slurp its oh so mature and western cum since it released

>no endless cutscenes
>no retarded tips and tutorials
>game doesn't freeze every few minutes to explain some new mechanic
>you can just boot it and play
Yeah, I wonder what makes it so good.

>>738204212
>my life is a lie
Correct, all westoid "game design" principles are bullshit made to appeal to low iq niggers that make games objectively worse. Elden Ring is literally a game that goes against every single design principle they came up with and people love it.

>>738205770
I think I missed about 2 or 3 side dungeons, a few weapon arts, some of those consumable crafting bottle items (jars and such). Nothing all that major. Actually, I did miss the Dung Eater side quest. To be fair, I killed him the instant I found him in the sewers, since he was an obvious Yurtsatz.

>>738204404
>outdated design
>when old games are better
curious

westoid game design be like how can a retard enjoy this game and beat it with one button?

>>738204212
They were forced to have an opinion about a game they weren’t interested in, because it was popular.

>>738207419
>inaccessible game
He pointed out the exact problem with Western games. That "accessibility" they focus on.

>>738207518
This is exactly why Fromsoft are one of a kind. Ever since the Bloodborne they put a lot of work into providing cinematic framings during gameplay while you retain 100% control of the camera and player movement. This tard says Elden Ring might look hideous in motion but the game looks like a painting from every angle. That probably took a lot of effort because lesser devs always resort to yanking the control away from the player to achieve a similar end, but that only serves to frustrate you because the game is essentially treating you like a baby, and saying "No, no, no you can't run around here. You can't pan around the camera freely. It's too important of a place"

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>>738204212
>the "good UX" in question

>>738208569
This shit is awful, is this what they teach them in their little video game schools?

>>738208629
I’d be surprised if they even teach that, I think it’s just one big game of follow the leader.

>>738208569
Never understood why UX like this is considered best practice. Jap games always had the best UI to me

>>738208629
It actually looks like a mobile game it's so bad.

>>738209054
Minimalist brainrot defended under the guise of "accessibility".

>>738204212
they cant enjoy the game because its too hard for them, so they have to pick at what they can only immediately see

>>738204212
what's been funny to me is watching them use the same things they knocked elden ring for as reasons why marathon is so great

>>738204678
Well they do. They defended the broken unfinished quests on launch. They defended the nonsensical quest progression and plot. They defended the retarded DLC leak as being a fanmod
Everything bad about elden ring was worshipped like wine from jesus christ.

>>738205591
Modern game devs are people who grew up playing games and the decision makers have been replaced by corpo jews instead of the entire industry being startups

>>738208447
its sad that this is accurate, that shit where the GoW devs were using DSP as a measure of player they should design games around

>>738209447
Honestly the #1 with that fanbase is that they think the games are flawless and they’re obnoxious about it in a way other fanbases aren’t. Look at any FROM game on Steam and check the negative reviews. They always have 50+ comment flame wars under them of obnoxious teenagers saying skill issue even if they don’t mention difficulty in the review

>>738205862
>tranime poster believes looking something up is different than reading forum posts about the exact same thing
I know trannies typically have low IQ but like.... huh?????

>>738209776
he's right

>>738204212
It made them look bad. Same reason both Democrats and establishment Republicans seethe about Trump.

>>738209616
It took about 8 months before the honeymoon phase was over and you were finally allowed to criticize elden ring
Not shit on it
Literally just criticizing it. Even something as blatant as the godskin noble's roll attack being broken, where it can stop for 1 frame and do a regular attack before 1 frame later continuing the roll, even shit like that wasn't looked at favorably as criticism. If you go back and look at old reddit posts saying even remotely negative things, the only ones with any traction all start with 2 paragraph preambles about why said poster deserves to criticize the game ("i love fromsoft i love their games I've bought everything I've beaten every souls game dozens of times" etc) like they're filling out a fuckin resume for a job.
If you guys think tendies are mentally ill, fromsloppytoppies have them beat by a country mile

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>>738204625
And nobody cares because it fucking ruled.

>>738204212
Jealousy.

>>738204212
Beyond the body type a/b, it didn't push the propaganda enough.

>>738204853
Normally I'd agree with you, but it only worked in the original series because the games weren't open world. The open world design really doesn't blend well with those kind of quests since the order of going to certain places is completely whack.

>>738210082
Yeah and they’ve been like this for awhile. I will never forget the people on this board that unironically defended Blighttown’s FPS on console as a deliberate design choice

>>738205375
This. The idea that games were becoming interactive movies with STARS and CELEBS was taking hold and Elden Ring reminded everyone that none of that gay shit matters as much as having fun.

>>738204625
It's funny that the windows version still can't run without stutters while Linux can.

>>738204212
Reminder that Elden Ring utterly mogged the release of Horizon Forbidden West, like Breath of the Wild did to Zero Dawn

>>738209893
I'm glad we agree you're male

>>738210357
Holy lmao how much of a newfag can you be

>>738204212
The UX is pretty mediocre and unclear without you having it explained first. A lot of the numbers one the stat screen aren't straight forwards, especially the letter grades for weapon scaling.
The quest design is abominable.

Graphics are good.

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>>738210173
Its impossible to hate them too much. You can only ever hate them too little

>>738210104
ngl that webm is so perfect it almost feels staged lmfao

>>738210425
The pivot from “it’s so fucking shit, there’s no way that can be real, you’re trolling” to “it was a masterpiece” is the funniest thing in this board’s history

>>738204785
Elden Ring's aesthetic is totally different from Dark Souls. It is good even, because I much prefer Elden Ring's high fantasy.
Also calling Sekiro's setting unique like that is just admitting this fuck has never watched a single samurai film, lol.

>>738206726
A lot of the time they just buy the strategy guide and copy that.

Nepheli Loux:
>doesn’t tell you she’s going to the albinanuric village
>doesn’t tell you about the stormhawk king
>doesn’t tell you you need to go back to the chapel of anticipation and find the newly unlock side door with stormhawk king
It’s LITERALLY impossible to figure this out without blind luck. Meanwhile Volcano Manor has 0 issues and perfectly competent quest design

>>738210834
Pretty sure she was just some dev's last minute pet project that didn't have enough work done on it before release.
The name Hoarah Loux wasn't even applied to Godfrey until just before release. That name was originally used for Gold Mask.
Nepheli was invented at the last minute for whatever reason.

>>738204659
Western media in general is completely dominated by leftists. Leftists are incredibly racist toward Asians, especially the Japanese. They have the audacity to exist and disprove their claims that shithole countries are shitholes because whites ruined for being nonwhite.

Naturally, successful games coming from Japan causes mass seething.

>>738210834
I found all that shit on my first playthrough.

>>738210528
To carry off another post comparing them to tendies, nintendo games have something called the nintendo bonus. Its a phenomenon where games released on multiple platforms tend to have a higher review score on the switch than other systems. This is due to the nintendo brand being the main draw of buying any game
For fromslop its nearly identical. If ubisoft had released elden ring it would've been mocked and forgotten after a week. But that fromsoft logo on the front changes everything

>>738211093
lay of the twitter for the sake of your brain

>>738204853
There's obscure then there's needing mind reading powers to tell what random clay pot your quest npc is going to pop up in next.

>>738211124
Really, your first playthrough? When the quest was bugged and couldn't be finished? Kekaroo

>>738204212
>>738204404
I do think some of the sidequest stuff is poorly designed. Paying attention to dialog doesnt tell you how to find an NPC who teleported to a new location as part of the quest phase. Without word of mouth or following a guide, you probably aren't deducing everything if you were to play it blind, but it certainly doesnt lock you out of standard ending.

>>738211274
If you pay any attention to game journalism or game awards you'd know he's completely right

>>738211415
For what it's worth, the devs didn't seem to know it was bugged either, so even they didn't know what the fuck was going on there.

>>738204212
Sour grapes but they have no grapes so it’s just seething.

>>738209776
It is different bubba

>>738210602
yeah elden ring mogs
i think dark souls would work better if it was iron age or bronze age instead of berserk

>>738207115
The funny part is how bad you wish you were someone who discovered something first. You don't believe anyone who says they don't look things up because its so important to you that you can't even imagine another way of thinking.

>>738204625
Just cause you looked up how to do the quests to fulfill your need for efficiency doesn't mean everyone did.

>>738204212
It was exclusively useless UX designers that ruin every fucking western game that hated it.

I think I completely missed all the dragon stuff and didn't find the lobster merchant on my first playthrough until I saw other people talk about it

>>738204306
>>738204320
>>738204320
Which western game company do you trannies work at?

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>>738204212
Why would i give a shit what some onions faggots have to say about some thing on xitter?

>>738209054
>Never understood why UX like this is considered best practice
The funny thing is that a good chunk of this actually isn't.
RNC, CLD, fucking LCK. HS? All garbage UX design.
The HP display is unnatural and bad.
There are too many different font sizes.
Different button prompt sizes.
No obvious way to dismiss the tutorial message.
Also the yellow color is overused to the point of distraction for the exclamation marks, the tutorial border and the top left icon.
The text being cursive and having quotes is redudant, pick one.
Most of the menu is segmented except the top right has to of course break it. Not that the tutorial popup has any border either.

Also UX practices were designed for stuff like atm interfaces or online bookings and stores.
Not games.

>>738212008
they were extremely easy to find. sounds like you didn't explore much at all

>>738211601
Yea sure man going on the dark souls 3 wiki and instead of seeing facts you see brainstorming and theories in the WIKI SECTION THATS SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU INFORMATION is totally different than 4 autistic pedophile trannies (redundant) doing the same thing while posting anime pictures
Yeah totally different haha very IQ o algo

>>738208559
Very few games are good at making every angle look picturesque while also giving you full camera control. I remember Jedi Fallen Order also being good at this.

>>738211928
Miyazaki said that they expect players to use guides in a interview. Same with summons.

>>738212629
Sour grapes, I get it

>>738212703
I love summoning the greatshield squad and then sitting back and blasting bosses with magic or rot breath while they were distracted

>>738204320
>>738204404
>new games get mogged by a bad, poorly designed and outdated game
not a good look!

>>738212703
Yeah, that's a fair expectation out of any large group of people. But thats different from saying that's what he wants or intends people to do. Everything is there to figure out the quests if you care about getting the better experience.

>>738212703
You're just misunderstanding him. What he actually said was that it's okay for players to use those because it's a part of their experience and that is their story. He'd encourage those players to talk to players that didn't utilize those things to share perspectives.

>>738212721
XY chromosomes, I get it

>>738212662
I am not a game designer myself, but I imagine it's an arduous task. Think about it, placement of objects and light sources need to be so meticulous that not only does it have to look good from one static frame, or even in motion, it needs to look good from every angle. It's impressive enough when linear games do it, but their corridored and alleyways level design makes the job a bit easier. Elden Ring on the other hand accomplishes the same thing in an open world setting where there are more opportunities for the player to pan the camera the "wrong" way. A lot devs want to have more authorship over their product and show off their artistic skills, but that usually comes at the expense of player agency. Fromsoft do not get enough credit for finding the right balance without making any major sacrifices.

>>738210510
If I hadn't had even more unlikely kino happen, usually involving heavy rock pots, I would agree. But hosts genuinely are that goofy.

>>738204212
Why do you care what a handful of retards think about on Twitter and why would it represents western devs?

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>>738210082
>>738210173
>>738210425
>>738210528
>>738211236
>Filtered by the body positive Godskin roll
I think we just found an actual games journo talking to himself after getting laid off.

>>738212064
Game UI/UX debate is always hilarious because what some retard with a "degree" and what a player actually considers best are two entirely different things.
Years of playing MMO and seeing how the latter arrange their own screens if the game has a customizable UI would make the former have a stroke.

>>738204212
talentless losers who actively cost their parent company money

There are a massive number of leeches in UI design and narrative related bullshit who really don't want people to realize how non-necessary their jobs are

>>738214395
trvke

>>738204212
For me it was the Battlefield faggot who's UI was so abysmal you couldn't even tell what option was selected

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>>738214395
>mass replying
>samefagging
>AI jeet
>fromsloppytoppy
>schizo deflecting talking points
>reddit vocabulary

>>738212014
>SAAR YOU ARE BLOODY BASTARD TRANNY BRICS #1 WORLD POOPERPOWER
please do the needful and kill yourself

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>>738204212
because its an overhyped game

>>738216350
>12 years working on a sokoban game

>>738210082
>If you go back (to) reddit

>>738210082
>>738204571
No one will ever take elden ring complaints seriously because you go from
>this bit and this other bit is a bit bad
>this scripted way they react to rolls and sips is bad
>some enemies are reused
to
>ENTIRE GAME IS COPYPASTED THE GAME IS COMPLETE GARBAGE 0/10 ROLLSLOP
You could maybe buy a criticism saying it's not a 10/10 just an 8/10 but trying to claim it's bad at all is delusional.

Also I know you will copypaste that part of the post and use a chad image, you are all very predictable.

>>738204212
>/v/ has the taste of western game devs that made the UI of battlefield 2042

grim. Plebbit unironically has better taste

>>738217503
Why would you admit you refuse to acknowledge legitimate criticisms of a game because it makes you feel bad? Why would you say that on the internet? You're admitting that you feel personally attacked when people tell the truth about a video game. Thats crazy nigga you should get that checked out

>>738204281
/thread

>>738206102
but if you a miss an NPC at the start then you are fucked

>>738204212
All of these are correct except Game UX no idea what that means.
But yeah Elden Ring has bad graphics, bad stability and performance, and bad quest design. That's all true.

Because they think unskippable cutscenes every 5 minutes, never-ending marvel quips and mary sue characters are essential for a good video game.
Many good games lack all of those, but since these people are casual retards they only know about Elden Ring as it's popular.

>>738204212
They're insecure faggots but in this case they're correct. Elden Ring is really fucking poorly designed in many aspects. It's honestly kind of amazing how From managed to trick so many people.

>>738204212
>muh university UX game design course!!

>>738204212
They're right, ER was BG3 before BG3.

>>738220093
As we can see here, people complaining about elden ring clearly have zero reading comprehension.

>>738221701
>trick
How did they trick people?

>>738222062
If they removed 95+% of the items found laying around in the world people would be calling it a boring, empty, pointless, unrewarding mass of nothing. Despite this people are happy to find a shitload of items that they'll never use because the game locks respecs several dozen hours in(people who meta game don't count) and gates it behind a limited resource. It's horrid game design but retards slurp it up and clap every time they get something which effectively amounts to nothing for their playthrough.

>>738204306
4chan users say stupid things too

>>738222490
>Anon doesn't understand how people are able to have fun and thinks they're being "tricked" into it
peak autism. Finding cool items is fun because it gives you ideas on what to go for. Most people don't lock in into a "build" (if they even think of builds in the first place) until half way into the game.
Also
>several dozen hours in
a) it's literally the second big area
b) you don't have a build until you're several dozen hours in. Until that point you can pivot into anything. Do you think people start with a pre-planned build when they play the game for the first time?
When I played I started with sword and shield and ended up a faith/st mix, using a completely different type of weapon and spells.

>>738222794
>retard needs to be fallacious and extremely disingenuous because he knows I'm right
Concession accepted. Could've at least tried to make this fun.

>>738222908
>bitches out of the conversation out of nowhere the moment someone talks back
lmao every time with you people.

>>738222062
>How did they trick people?
Check this out >>738210425
Notice the true feelings of the frompedocel? Now slap the corporate logo on it and that frown turns into a smile. Fromslop tricked you into eating shit and you niggas said "please sir can i have some more" hahahahaha

>>738204212
one time they were right. game was shit and overrated as fuck. one of worst fromslops ever made. half finished, cut and paste content, the zanzibar meme has never been so true with every single fucking boss doing it and theres no lore or story. just mishmash of notes from martin and complete gibberish of a plot only the most retarded drones defend or try to convince you makes sense. not a single person can give you a coherent run down of what is going on int he game or story (there isnt one) or even history/plot (there isnt one). its just some leftover dark souls subplots with names changed and swapping chosen undead to tarnished, etc.

it also has the same janky camera and controls a decade after the first fromslop came out. same reskinned animations and 3d models. same shitty graphics. same shitty ui and piss poor matchmaking and connections for online. same shitty game. just empty world version.

>>738222908
You're a kike. I know this because you're accusing someone else of what you yourself did.
>>738222490
>the game locks respecs several dozen hours in
It's literally the second boss. You're being extremely disingenuous.

>>738210208
>while Linux can
There is only a Windows version…

>>738223134
Elden Ring is a celebration of human history, especially religion. It goes all the way from primitive animistic religious beliefs to the rise of monotheism. It's also about how these ideas are used to shape nations and cultures.

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MODS FUCKING BAN TWITTER POSTING WHAT THE FUCK AAAAHHHHHHH

>>738204281
fpbp

>>738223083
lol
Again, no one will take you seriously because you go from
>the final boss of this DLC is bad
Which is a reasonable complaint;
to
>Fromslop tricked you into eating shit

>>738223159
>It's literally the second boss. You're being extremely disingenuous.
This assumes an expectation that most people are going to follow a set path in an open world that intentionally makes it difficult to follow the "story path" without exploring because they want to encourage exploration. Thank you for doubling down by proving my point. Concession remains accepted.

>>738223260
Thats the same statement, just worded differently. This is why i mentioned your feelings getting hurt distorts your perception of reality
You got scammed hahahaha

>>738223280
I expect people to get raped in Caldera and go another direction, yeah. Especially noobs.

People refuse to copy what works because it takes little effort and they can't justify their employment doing it. Making something that is terrible is their holy grail; complete waste of time they were paid for and keeps the market demand for games increasingly unsatisfied.

It isnt a coincidence that every game /v/ has a seething hatred for is challenging. Elden Ring was just too hard for /v/tards thats why they hate it so much

>>738223356
The more you post the more you prove me right. None of you can make any proper criticism without descending into hysterics.

>>738204854
>>738204785
It's wild because ER was my fiirst introduction into Souls. And the first things that came to mind when playing it was that I didn't know if I'd be able to beat a game this hard, and second, the world was just unique enough that I was genuinely curious what else I'd find. And a combination of it being hard and interesting world is what got me addicted to the game - only thing that's ever filled my post skyrim itch

You might hate them, and for good reason, but the game journos were actually right about this. Elden Ring was, and still is, a bad PC release in all technicalities. The game is still locked to 60 FPS, has no support for arbitrary resolutions (and you can't fix this without completely disabling online features lol), has notorious stutters around to this very day, and even more I'm forgetting I'm sure. Also, Fromsoft's quest design did not adapt well to an open world. This became even more apparent in the DLC.

I legitimately would've played Elden Ring 3x as much (for PvP shenanigans) if they let me play ultrawide online

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>>738223247
mods don't care about your well being, they're a combination of negroes and sycophants doing the work of the upper rank kike admins sending your shit to data hoarders.

>>738223768
>I legitimately would've played Elden Ring 3x as much (for PvP shenanigans)
I would've played it 3x as much for PvP if they just put any fucking effort into the systems at all instead of regressing.

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Elden Ring is a case study in less is more
You could cut the map size down by like 40% and the game would be better for it.
It's other cardinal sin is not giving King Morgott (last of all kings btw) 10x as much health as he has in the base game since his fight is the most kino in the entire game.

>>738223618
The things Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 that I feel helped push them ahead were things considered unthinkable by most AAA including the likes of Bethesda. That being committing to having the actual courage to include aspects of their games that not everyone is guaranteed to see and things you can miss forever in a playthrough.

>>738204212
Jealousy, inferiority complex and self hatred for being incompetent and depending on nepotism or cocksucking for getting jobs

>>738223492
You came out of the closet and stated for all to see that you refuse to listen to criticism because you disagree with others. You might think like a woman but you will never be one

>>738224043
>stated for all to see that you refuse to listen to criticism because you disagree with others
And I'm sure you can quote that statement right?

>>738224007
Stop being antisemitic and focus on the mission double zero.

>>738223870
You're just retarded. The scale is a crucial part. Stormveil is impressive because it's an imposing structure you can view at a distance and make your to it physically which then seamlessly transitions to a sprawling castle level packed full of enemies, ambushes, traps, and shortcuts. Take away the open world and it's not as interesting.

>>738224269
Elden Ring, much like MGSV, would be much better as a series of legacy dungeons instead of being 80% filler content.

>>738224389
You want ER to turn into some shitty retread of DS3. Disgusting taste.

>>738224446
Elden ring is already an amalgamation of the worst aspects of ds2 and 3 but put into a Nintendo hire this man empty open world. Lies of P is a better souls game and that games bosses are fucking terrible

>>738224558
>Lies of P
Opinion discarded

>>738212662
>making every angle look picturesque while also giving you full camera control
There's literally no games that accomplish that.

>>738224725
Skill issue.

>>738224635
>elden troon
Suicide stat monitered

Why was /v/ butthurt about it? You saw similar reactions here.

>>738225146
Come on, you're not that stupid. Full camera control and every angle looking good are mutually exclusive. It's trivial to point the camera at a shitty looking wall or the ground.

>>738208569
>big picture of kratos taking up half the screen at all times, just in case you forget who you're playing as.

>>738224269
>the scale
is the funniest angle to take because PROPER RELATIVE SCALING is the thing open world games (that aren't randomly generated nigh-infinite expanses) really suffer from
unless you want to engage in some mental gymnastics and claim that there is an incredible atmosphere of tension between two warring nation-states consisting of two residential areas and a bigass plain/swamp respectively
>see that castle? you can scale it!
riveting stuff, if only both developers and cocksuckers would actually put some effort into the dungeon aesthetics without focusing entirely on dodgeroll combat

>>738204785
>Dark Souls level difficulty
This post was probably written years ago, but I wonder how many clueless smooth brains still use Souls games as a measurement for peak difficulty in video games.

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>>738208569
>>738209054
You think designers are stuck inside their own asses after marinating the perfect idea inside their heads, one that nobody can actually grasp? You think programmers are emotionless automatons trying to reduce everything to numbers in the name of optimization? You think marketers are anticreative husks that would sand off every acute angle so that the result looks more like Call of Duty? You just haven't seen "UX" people and their so-called best practices.
The whole field is nothing but braindead cronies who have zero prospects even in HR. The whole field is based on nothing but irreproducible 20th century social science stuides and the most basic shit one can intuit in 15 minutes. No wonder it's a common subject in vidyagaem colleges or Ubischools or whatever scam programs that churn through naive hopefuls. It's a wackass idea that pays lip service to ergonomics and accessibility, but what it's really about is the delicate balance between designs that could be both done and understood by total morons. The fact that the result is console-friendly GUI full of soft rounded corners is only a funny coincidence, I assure you.

>>738208629
UX used to be a business software term. user experience basically means "make it so that the most retarded user can navigate through your menus." visual design and aesthetics are not as important as clarity and ease of use. it's honestly disgusting.

>>738227859
Blame souls fans. The franchises entire discourse has centered around difficulty for a decade and a half. Its wrapped around to mindbreaking fromsoft themselves and now even miyazaki admits the point of the games is just to be hard. They dont make these games out of passion, they make these games because people will buy it

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>>738204212
Elden Ring deserved GOTY and its an objectively good game, but you guys are fucking niggers if you try to deny the constant asset reuse, the extreme technical incompetence (60 fps cap, physics and other systems tied to maintaining that), input reading, ancient animation systems, and so on. And yes, the quest design was shit too. I disagree with the UX part though, he's just a retard.

>>738204281
fippybippy

>>738204212
Because a western game would be spit roasted if its quests were anywhere as much a pain in the ass to progress as ER, but ER gets a free pass by virtue of being fromslop
its like the nintendo bonus but even more egregious

>>738231078
>objectively good game
It's full of objectively bad design decisions that were so offensively glaring that From spent like three weeks straight patching all the shit the game was getting humiliated for. Synchronized input reading really exposed how lazy they got with enemy AI.

>>738204320
This. Elden Ring didn't hold a candle to Gamer's Favorites like Assassin's Creed Unity, Borderlands 3, and Overwatch. Those were the real powerhouses of gaming.

>>738220434
Not really. The DLC was made by the dark souls 3 guy so it went back to being bullshit tho

>>738204212
that is twitter /x. People go to great lengths to say absurd things just for rage engagement views.

>>738231791
Kek

it is more performative than truth over there

>>738231078
>constant asset reuse
not a problem when it has as many unique enemies as it has.
>input reading,
meme complaint only shitters bring up.
>ancient animation systems
oh you mean the best and most in depth in the arpg genre, yeah.

like 90% of ER complaints come down to low iq. yeah the quests were made purposefully obtuse on release and they since changed it, big woop.

>>738231987
you toe sucking servile apologists are the worst

>>738231987
>knows he can't justify it
>handwaves with a fallacy instead
Fromdrones everyone.

>>738204212
that last guy is right, they used classic souls quest design in a map like 10 times the size of a regular souls game. everyone gets the ranni ending because the game generally does a very good job at guiding the player along the questline. this cannot be said for the rest of them, which expect you go searching for the hay in the needlestack. overall I think the game has bigger problems, like how the open world dominates the level design, so while the few legacy dungeons we get are generally very good, there isn't many of them.

>>738204212
It proved that a lot of "credentialed" wisdom was bullshit. And people with bullshit "expertise" and bullshit jobs don't like being exposed for being the wastes of time, money, and space that they are.

>>738204404
>outdated
Isn't that a buzzword shareholders and investors use when they want to ruin something?

>>738232184
>>738232254
stay mad, shitters.

>>738204404
It gets a pass because it’s an incredible experience

>>738204212
Fromslop is shit and everyone should naturally feel disgust at the dregs who consume it.

>>738204212
They were filtered

>>738231987
trvke

>>738224269
On point

>>738224269
you can use scale and landmarks while not being open world you know.

>>738232540
>complaints has nothing to do with the combat or boss design
>"y-y-youre a shitter!"
stay mad retard

>>738207529
Not really. How real your setting feels isn't making it 1:1 with real life and has everything to do with setting the ground rules of your setting well and making your characters memorable and act like real people. I have not seen a single WRPG outside of Planetscape Torment, Nox and any isometric CRPG made before the early 2000s do that but I unironically see JRPGs do that better than anything Bethesda has done.


That quote just outs Todd as the whimsyless hack we've always knew him to be. 99% of JRPGs are very comprehensive and you can follow the flow of the plot easily unless you're so stupid that you can't understand basic myths and storytelling people have done for centuries. Why you would want your fictional world to be a poor man's copy of the real world is beyond lame.

>>738204212
>Game comes out with the same 7th gen console slop UI they've been using since DeS, complete with a press start to enter main menu
>At launch does not recognize controllers unless you unplug all your peripherals
>Memory leaks out the ass that convinced me to just switch to Linux where I didn't have a limited amount of tries for fighting Godskins
>Runs like ass
>Some toggles like manual direction input or whatever just don't do anything
>Open world is just padding
Because it's fucking amateur hour.
>>738232865
You can also do it while not including busywork. Shadow of the Colossus is also open world, but it cuts itself down to its bare essentials.

>old school ui/ux
>re4 diagetic inventory and save screen
>modern ui/ux
>re4 remake soulless slop
who cares

>>738204212
>so obnoxious about Elden Ring
the menu system is elden ring is even worse than bethesda ok it's just true

And people will still insist to this day that e33 wasn't an industry plant when nothing like this happened

when can we ban social media caps for good? can we also just get a giant firewall towards asia? thank you. japan is cool and all and some minor asian countries are also alright, but i fucking hate these dumb fucking street shitting mongoloids so fucking much. if there is ever a genocide again, it should be total fucking indian genocide. even every fuckign jeet cell needs to be cleansed from this earth if we ever were to prosper as human race.

>>738204281
fpbp

AAA Western developers don't understand why people actually like FromSoft games, so all they can do is get butthurt because they can't replicate it. Western indie developers are actually able to understand it, in contrast. Team Cherry understands it. Lucas Pope understands it. It's about trusting and respecting players' innate intelligence, curiosity, and perseverance - rather than the Western AAA industry's approach of treating them like lab rats to be manipulated and exploited.

>>738204281
fpbp

There has been a massive blowback on western games and they're all monumentally butthurty. Especially that the massive smear campaign against japanese games during the aughts seems to be gone. So they're in massive cope mode.

>>738239016
>>738239085
Do fromschizos really samefag this blatantly?

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>>738204306
Fuck you Ahmed, all your work is shit LMAO

>>738205435
you just have to compare og demon's souls to the remake lol

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>>738207147
Just your average v/ermin faggot.
I bet that very same nigger is raging in this thread right now kek

>>738231078
its a kinda weird game in this uncanny valley because its trying to break into this wider more standard open world rpg design but from tradition necessitates that the world be a post apocalypse where the majority of people are mindless enemies that can't be reasoned with. like they couldn't come up with a way to make the from formula work in a world with towns and more dynamic NPCs

>>738233095
I swear, the "PREPARE TO DIE!!!! XD" marketing psyops of Dark Souls completely ruined the social perception of this series

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>>738210208
>>738204625
are we just making shit up now? my graphics card was 8 years old when elden ring came out and ran it perfectly fine, the only time i ever had issues was when some update turned on ray tracing which my ancient piece of shit card didn't support. there is no way your computers were even shittier than mine was in 2022

>>738240215
my brother had to reset his entire PC to play elden ring, because windows 10 had bugged out and prevented him from updating for years, and Elden Ring required the newer versions of W10.
but I have no idea about his graphics card.

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>>738240310
that sounds entirely like his fault (or microsoft's) so i'm not sure how this stands as a criticism of elden ring

>>738240416
its not your post just reminded me of those times
also it definitely was microsoft's fault, they were crazy retards back then and definitely now

>>738240310
that sounds kind of weird, like he probably ran a "Win10 Debloater" .bat when he first installed Win10 and it fucked shit up for him.

>>738208569
>>738209054
>>738212064
>>738214402
most people with ux/ui degree don't like video games and only play some mobile game sometimes, we will never get good ui again unless they hire people who actually play games and don't adhere to some retarded "rules", there should be no rules, every game should have a bespoke ui

>>738240534
I don't know what it was exactly, though I know around the same time I was having trouble with updating the drivers for my graphics card. It just wouldn't update for years...and then suddenly one day its fully updated and everything was normal. quite strange.

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>>738204212
All 3 of them are right thougheverbeit. Elden Shit is probably the most overrated video game of all time.
t. bought and finished this crap at full price

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>>738223870
>since his fight is the most kino in the entire game

>>738204281
This
Inferiority complex, even though they were supposed to be 'superior' to those pesky yellow Easterners

>>738212629
You missed out on the threads discussing the ER lore and I'm sorry.
Looking up already written (and redacted countless times) facts in a polished wiki will never be the same as discussing it in real time while playing with other anons.

Don't know why you're so hostile.

>>738227651
No one gives a fuck about realism in a Souls game. The Land's Between is built more like a fun, entertaining theme park than a real place people lived in. It makes for more interesting gameplay so that was the right decision.

The dungeons are all varied, large and dense. Literally unprecedented in the entire open world genre where a game of this scale usually has a template design for dungeons.
>>738232865
No you can't. In linear games your surrounding environment is pure set dressing and not actually explorable completely undermining the thing I spoke of.

>>738204281
Western devs just can't keep up and their side of game industry will crash again like in the 80s

>>738207518
I think elden ring is a fun game but that guy is beyond based. 3D sucks out all the soul of videogames visuals

>>738204281
Fpbp
Chads care about the gameplay and the art direction fuck everything else

>>738204281
fpbp
something made with gamers, not investors in mind caused mass seething

>>738204281
Absolute truth nuke. Fuck these insufferable faggots.

>>738204625
And thats the thing, despite all this it was still a fun game to many people.
Bad performance shouldn't be excluded, but ultimately games aren't about UX design, clean interfaces etc etc. because games are not tools that need to be as frictionless as possible, they are defined by their friction so all those game design students who got taught how to make Unreal Engine Theme Park rides are flabbergasted by such a game going against all they've been taught

Western devs have these UI/UX and game design courses where they tell you how to make games, that you should have skill trees instead of stats and such
Fromsoftware doesn't care about this sort of stuff, they make games with PS2 design philosophies yet still outsell everything else, it makes western devs angry that they follow all these guidelines yet still get decimated by few jap nerds stuck in previous age who just do what they like