smashbros we are back
HE'S IN
>new game Why not just do Ultimate: Switch 2 Edition + Subspace Emissary 2?
>>738210370Anyone who thinks it's not going to just be Ultimate: Deluxe Edition is dreaming.
>>738210454>why don't they just re-release the same game, and then a carbon copy of an idea from 20 years ago?????? +SSE is extremely overrated btw, only the cutscenes are good, gameplay-wise it sucks and is a slog
>>738210370Anyone can just say that. It’s a safe bet.
I really hope this shit isn't a 2 year dev game and its been in the works since 2020 or something because that is really grim. Maybe Sakurai has been involved much longer than that faggot is claiming.
tendies really just play the same 4 franchises for eternity
Genobros..... It's time.
I dont care. I couldnt even finish world of light and its been 8 years
>>738210559i honestly never played subspace emissary. Everytime i tried back then it was just miserable to play. Smash is not a platformer. AnywayThey haven't even released a new mario since the last smash came out. Dev cycles are long now for everything, what the fuck is the point of a new smash when you hardly have a new title of your mainline games to update/advertise? It's literally the same link
>>738210370>2027It would just be another Smash 4/Ultimate update if it actually released next year. That's hardly any dev time.
I want Subspace Emissary 2 Nothing else matters
>>738210370If it's anything less than >new, non-Smash 4/Ultimate reskin >an actual story mode/campaign >all the non-Nintendo characters cut (yes, including Sonic) >trophies make a comeback >assist trophies gone >item count halved >'competitive community' rightfully ignored this time I don't want it
>>738210454>Ultimate: Switch 2 EditionThat's exactly what they're doing>Subspace Emissary 2Never happening
>>738210795Every Smash game since Brawl was basically built on top of the previous game. As long as Sakurai's at the helm I don't think that will change.
>>738210768>Smash is not a platformerIt literally is retard
>>738210559t. never played Kirby Super Star
>Sakurai working on another soulless Super Gay Fat Retard Homo PedophilesHe’s suffered enough let him make a new Kid Icarus or (god forbid) an original IP
>>738210925I have played Kirby Super Star more than once, that game controls well and works. SSE does not + the enemies are all bland and boring.
>>738210454It's an 8 year old game. It's time to make a new one.
>>738210370Am I remembering wrong or was ultimate supposed to be the last smash
>>738210795Ultimate was literally Smash 4 Plus with a 2.5 year dev time.
>>738210370I really dont care for smash or anything nintendo anymore
>>738210559/thread, fuck sse
>>738210873You forgot>Mang0 actually fucking my ass this time I love u daddy xoxo
>>738210873most likely its a reskin of smash ultimate. nintendo doesnt make games fresh anymore
SSE is overrated there's a reason people only talk about the cutscenses. If World of light had them people would realize it's the superior game mode.
>>738210768>what the fuck is the point of a new smash when you hardly have a new title of your mainline games to update/advertise? It's literally the same linkit's not like they update the characters in any meaningful way anyway. who cares about some slight visual tweak. if they want to celebrate the franchises, maybe they should update the movesets of old characters to actually reflect the last 25 years of games. but then they would incite the wrath of autists who can't let go of MUH MAIN
The source bee-tee-double-you.
>>738211154so just take the best parts of WoL and SSE. I don't think people are asking for literally just SSE again, they can update the gameplay to better suit Smash, no one would be mad at that.
>>738211136Did you read my post? I want the shitty comp community ignored, including that alcoholic deadbeat
>>738210370>fromsoft is making a nintendo exclusive>ER is coming to the switchput him in the game sakurai
There's no way they'll have a whole new Smash in little more than a year.
>>738211278They did it with Ultimate
>>738211197>Another MetroidOnly two things would satisfy me.>Metroid 6 made by the Spanish Inquisition>Metroid Prime Hunters HD as Nintendo finally having their own FPS on Switch 2
>>738211278You realise Nintendo works on this stuff for years in advance right? At this point thy'll have already been working on the new Smash for the past 5+ years.
>>738211197Wow, it's fucking nothing.
>>738210454Other people hate remasters. Nintendo demands them out here. The hell?
>it really is just ultimate switch 2Hades (KIU).Noir Dedede.Shadow the Hedgehog.Ravenbeak.Maelle.Master Chief.NOBODY else matters. The roster is practically already complete. Cloud, Sephiroth, and Snake are honorary PlayStation reps.
>>738210370i thought he quit smash games
>>738211024Sakurai is the one that volunteers to makes these games, they would be just fine making them without him but every time he's like "NO I WANT TO WORK ON IT TOOOOO!"
>>738211385>NOBODY else matters.>forgetting THE Fire Emblem, of the biggest series in Smash
>>738211371I'd rather spend $20 on a Shitch 2 update than $80+fighters pass + tip and still not have the entire DK rap.
>>738210454>8 more years of ultimate's abhorrent online and input delay because rosterfags can't let go
>>738210370Reminder he out and out said the roster is never getting that big again
>>738211197>another Zelda game >in 2027Said by whom?
>>738211503>abhorrent onlineI only play with friends because Smash Bros is a casual party game. You're not a tryhard compfag, are you?
>>738210370what if Smash but 3D ?
>>738211406Shuntaro Furukawa has him at gunpoint.
>>738210517Thats all i want honestly. A complete edition of the game
>>738210517But Ultimate was already the Ultimate Edition of the Wii U version
>>738210768SSE and smash in general, are just evolutions of kirby superstar.
>>738210370as long as the controls are good with hopefully less input lag and the game still has Ridley, Krool and maybe Plant I'm good
>>738210454That probably is what they’re doing
>>738211467No way in hell she's making it into the next smash. It's probably going to be a Fortune's Weave rep.
>>738211154WOL sucks dick. If you are making a smash adventure mode, i expect full stages.
>>738211385She deserves to be in over all those literal whos.
>>738210370another 4 years of rosterfags
KILL ALL ROSTERFAGS
>>738210370not happening lmao
>>738211646Stages:>Pac-Maze>Jungle Hijinxs>Pyrosphere>Miiverse>Woolly World>Orbital Gate AssaultMissing these Assist Trophies:>Kat & Ana>Lakitu>Elec Man>Advance Wars tanks>Saki Amamiya>Tingle>No trophies>No Smash Run>No Master Core
>>738210454That's what it's going to be. They're not developing a whole new one in 1-2 years. It'll be ultimate with included dlc for $80
Cut banjo lol
>>738211278Nintendo is the only company that doesn't announce its games years early.
She's in.
>>738210370So who's getting cut beyond the obvious ones like Sora and Snake?
>>738211197>game releasing on time with its movie as a tie-inYeah no there's zero chance that happens. It never ever fucking happens with any series. Even the mario galaxy remake was like 6 months before the movie.
>>738212110Cut all the DLC characters and replace them with new ones.
>>738211746Nobody is genuinely excited for Flopping Weave, they're just going to skip an FE rep.
we are not back until the game is GOOD and there is a long long way to go. the more characters there are the bigger risk they're going to muck it up. have you not had enough of what dlc did to 4 and ult? I have. It's now in the same perilous position as tekken where new shit utterly ruined the game and they need to dial it all back, heavily, but do they have the guts to do so? there's a massive risk this game is going to suck ass again and I don't like it. I have none of the positivity my younger self had in the brawl and 4 days. ultimate was so bad it killed something precious inside me.
>>738210370if it is not a massive reboot cutting 80% of the roster and not a proper single player mode then i dont care...
he's making balloon fight 2
can we have obscure nintendo fighters? Thanks
>>738211267It would be an Elden Ring/Souls character with different skins like Hero. Elite Knight, Faraam, your pic, etc.Also Solaire because of the Solaire amiibo.
>>738212461Pappy Van Poodle
>>738210370>Masahiro Sakurai-ABSOLUTELY NOT. FUCK OFF!
>>738211991Prime 4 disproves that claim, and look what happened.
>>738211267I'm still mad that the Sora reveal baited me with what I thought was Mario linking the first flame.
>>738210454>Subspace Emissary 2?Not after Sakurai was utterly shocked that people would just reupload the cutscenes on the internet. I get WHY he's upset that people don't even need to play the game to see them but it's ridiculous to just decide to never do the best mode in any Smash Bros game again
>>738212697Prime 4 is likely one of the main reasons they don't kek
>>738210925I have never thought of that connection The final boss uses a move straight from Kirby's Adventure.
>>738211467Holy based!!!>>738211746>Xhe wants to add a character from 3HRT 2 Fuck you faggot
>>738210454Ultimate fucking sucks, adding even more characters to that dumpster fire isn't going to fix anything
>>738212795that was almost 20 years ago, people can change their minds. the internet being used in that way was still relatively novel at the time (YouTube was only 3 years old). I'm sure with time he's been more acclimated to the internet. even by 2012 he made Uprising which had a bunch of story twists. there are probably other reasons he hasn't made another story mode by now.
>>738210370You do not want this, guys. Imagine the cuts. It's not worth it.
Paulinebros, she's in.
>>738210873This. If Namco Bandai is in charge of developing the game after Tekken 8 and Steve and Kazuya in Smash Ultimate, this game is bound to be a disaster from the word go.
>>738212795Air Riders has epic cutscenes.
>>738210370>made by sakuraiah sweet more garbage
buuuullshit
>>738210370>as early as 2027and I'm to believe sakurai would take another 2 year dev cycle when melee nearly killed him and game dev's only gotten more intensive since thenyeah okay bro, late 2028 at the very very earliest
>>738210559>only the cutscenes are good,That's why everyone wants it back.
>Konami love doing crossover these days>Snake and Simon are already in the gameHe's in.>But how it will work-It will.
>>738212795>Not after Sakurai was utterly shocked that people would just reupload the cutscenes on the internet.why do people always leave out the part where the reason he was surprised/mad because they leaked on the internet BEFORE the game even released
>>738214275the game also released in 2008, by that time, gaming videos were still pretty rare, especially of console games. so it's important to take this into account. The world evolved like crazy during this time period with many innovations that would not really have existed 3, 5 years before.
Do you think a Smash reveal at the June Direct would be too early or could it possibly happen?
>>738213958it has like 10 more minutes of cutscenes than ultimate, and benefits from being entirely centered on an OC's story which smash can't really do
>>738214481Too early unless it's a very early teaser or if the game release in early 2027
>>738210370Can you imagine if they actually made a Super Smash Bros. game where you can fight on more than a single axis? Something like - I dunno - that Pokémon game they made a year before Smash Ultimate?
>>738214635do you want tekken x smash?
>>738210370Why does this fucking cucks refuse to give us a Subspace sequel? he makes Kirby games it should be easy to do
>>738214635I used to want that but I don't really anymore. and not only that, but the Pokemon fighting game would have done a lot better if it had copied Smash instead of Tekken. proper, technical fighting games just don't have the mass appeal that Smash does. and Smash is only really fun as a party game so it needs to be accessible.
>>738210370There isn't anywhere to go but down after Ultimate.
>>738214760>proper, technical fighting gameswasn't that pokemon game still very much simplified compared to regular fighting games? It still did well enough in japan
I can't believe the ultimate big reveal was almost 8 years ago, I remember watching it live...For 4, I was also watching things live, but my brain acknowledge it's ancient, but not Ultimate, it's like time moved 5 times faster
>>738211197Yeah I knew this shit wasn't real. Ultimate was the final smash game, people need to accept it already.
>>738215070it's one of the biggest best selling game ever, they will never let it be the final game, that's insane to think that>but the nameit's Japanese name is "Special". not ultimate.
>>738211439I do imagine that Sakurai probably has an autistic vision for the series which he can't bear to see being deviated from.
>hackurai making another dogshit game
>>738210454Because Sakurai is really autistic about not just doing ports. It's like pulling teeth to even get him to do sequels.
>>738210627>Nintendo when they make Mario, Zelda, Smash, Pokemon>tendies play the same games>Nintendo when they don't make these and make different games>why are they making Donkey Kong and Metroid Prime, I want Mario
>>738211963Kirby Air Riders finished development in the middle of last year. It's not outrageous to think they could make a new Smash between summer of 2025 and 2027 for a November 2027 release. Especially if they use Ultimate as the base like they did 4 for Ultimate.
Project+ is the true successor to MeleeSHITkurai could never
>>738215070>Nintendo won’t make a sequel to the game that sold them around 40M copies + DLCAre there faggots that unironically believe this?
>>738210370>he literally cannot stop making Smash games>even when he leaves Smash to do something else, he always comes backSakurai needs an intervention
>>738210370I just want Sakurai to retire. Not because he's doing a bad job, I think he deserves it. Let the man rest. He's been carrying Nintendo's sorry ass for years.Release a Switch 2 edition of Ultimate with all the DLC, nothing else and retire the series forever.
>>738217797>Not because he's doing a bad jobLOL
I want this alt.https://gamebanana.com/mods/674544
>>738210370No one can explain how they move forward after ultimate. They’ve already ran through the gamut of ideas. The last game was maximum polish + everything and the kitchen sink approach. Like seriously wtf can they do? A new art style, a smaller cast of characters, and some new mechanics that is just changing things for the sake of changing things isn’t enough…
>>738215070>Ultimate was the final smash game
>>738217893Make a proper sequel to Melee but that's never going to happen because Nintendo's primary audience is toddlers now and Sakurai hates esports.
>>738210454considering it's a 2 year turnaround since air ride, yeah, that's probably what they'll do
>>738217797>He's been carrying Nintendo's sorry ass for years.The only series from him that’s worth a shit is Smash. Kirby is the definition of boring baby shit and is inferior to Mario platformer games in every way. Kid Icarus for 3DS was good but not exactly revolutionary and didn’t move many copies or systems. Smash alone isn’t the reason that Switch is successful, so not sure how he’s carrying anything… Mario Zelda, or Pokemon are much more important in the grand scheme of things
>>738210370>reportedly>according to (literally who)>rumored to
>>738217975he said move forward not backwards
>>738218061move forward by making platforms unusable in a platform fighter? yeah brilliant design there sakurai. go back to smelling your farts and fellating yourself on youtube you fucking hack.
>>738210454He's probably just going to continue with fighter pass 3 as if the game never went anywhere and push out a 5 dollar graphics patch tier upgrade pack for Switch 2 players.
>>738218157cry more
>>738212719THIS
>>738218364>t. will shit his diaper when his scrimblo bimblo doesn't get in and then promptly forget the game exists
>>738218445I already got my dream fighter and still play, you lost
japan time bros
A new smash game would literally kill Sakurai.How could you possibly make another? It would have to have less content than the previous
>>738210627You lost, weeb tranny.
>>738218650I expect it to have less fighters but more modes
>a year of rosterfags shitting up the boardgreat... cant wait
>>738212795It fucking sucks because it's genuinely a good way to introduce characters. Seeing Marth Ike and Meta Knight team up even as a non FE player is amazing.
>>738218842>a yearthat's optimistic
So, when is that star fox gaming coming out? A reputable leaker said it was coming out this year!
>>738218594it's 11am over there right now you retard, they already dropped the stock report and went to lunch. if smash 6 was getting announced it would've been in a direct, not sakurai waking up and tweeting a jpg of kirby.set your alarm for next nintendo investor cope call instead.
>>738218842/v/ is basically completely dead at this point after the hack and making "cultural phenomenon Smash" exempted from the rule against having generals will only drive the knife in deeper.
>>738210517People thought Ultimate was gonna be a Switch port of Smash 4, and they were proven wrong
He's in.
>>738210370Not an enviable task. Dude has to decide if he wants to just port ultimate forward with new content, cut the roster down by half (when they really don't have anybody left of note to add), or take 10 years to redevelop everything into a new game.
This thread smells bad, take a bath
>>738219527you keep saying that and it keeps not being true
>>738219795Melee is just a port of smash 64
>>738210370I think his work is good but he needs to retire from Smash already
>>738219556Wii U to Ultimate is like CSGO to CS2. Two entirely different games under the hood, but they feel the same Smash 6 desperately needs a fresh coat of assets.
So what do you want on the new roster?>Crash bandicoot>X>Zero>Dr eggman>Master Chief>Rayman>Paper Mario>A trailer that teases geno, only for a 10 minute scene of sakurai raping geno and it ends with “geno will never be in smash” and it switches to reveal Leon Kennedy
>>738220635Hakurei Reimu
My biggest wish for the next smash is for nintendo to actually support the game. Like, don't give up on the game two years in when its still popular. Keep updating. Keep making balance changes. Make more DLC. Ultimate could have easily had two more fighter passes. The demand is there, the playerbase is there, don't abandon the game for no reason
>>738220635I don't fucking care about the rosterI want a game that doesn't feel like ass to play
>>738217893They need to go back to basics and make a tight game celebrating core Nintendo properties, not a circlejerk game that just celebrates Smash itself. Trim the fat, rehaul the og characters to reflect more modern games, include lots of stages, alt costumes, and custom moves that celebrate the franchises, make a new story mode. Fuck rosterfags, fuck compfags, fuck people who cry about their mains getting redone. They can just keep playing Ultimate. It might split the playerbase but it's the only way for the series to move forward, it's become too bloated and self-referential to continue going like this. If they just want to appease everybody and keep the maximum amount of players, then just re-release Ultimate with a new round of fighters I guess. That's probably what they'll end up doing.
>>738210370Great another two years of relentless roster fagging for characters in games that (You) never played.Anyways I want more F-Zero fighters and stages, I don't care if they are clones of Captain Falcon and play identical to Mute City or Port Town Aero Dive. I love F-Zero and normies only know of it because of Smash.
>new game of long running franchise will come out are you stupid? Say something we don’t know
>>738210370>Masahiro Sakurai is rumored to be workingIt's shit. Tired of this hack. Concede to compchads and make Melee again.
smash bros open world editionyay
She's in
>>738220860The need to appeal to as many people as possible, advertise other IPs, and dev time would make half of that infeasible.For a smash game in current year to be release in just 18 months. It is going to inevitably be an upgraded version of Smash Ultimate. Expect what they did with Mario Kart 8 to be done to Smash Ultimate.
>>738219559Even more of a wasted inclusion than Blandana Dee.
>>738210370>subspace emissary 2>stickers>brawl gameplay but without the trippingi'd die happy but it'll never happen
I would love to see a roster of at least 200 characters from global IPs and all of them have unique movesets
>>738213670As a taunt for DK.
>>738211197>People believing that Kiwi Talks is an insider and not someone who just interviews developers>AgainHow are people this stupid?
>>738214275Still Japanese people thinking the entire planet runs on their honor system.
>>738221161>/v/ Yes
>>738215070Never take anything NoA says as fact.>The BRAWL to end them all!
>>738210873This plus event mode and a classic mode that doesn't suck ass. And no flashy gaudy shit like Ultimate. No horrendous Sakurai wife UI. Melees art direction, UI and overall presentation was perfect.Also at least have the classic characters as alts, not just palette swaps but different models with different voices.I don't want to play as Bananza DK, BotW Link, lethargic Afghani Mario, ugly Brawl Fox, etc. I want the Melee versions in HD. No, I don't care about Melee gameplay, just the presentation. The competitive community can suck a dick.
>>738221161Truth of the matter is, no one really believes the article or even gives that much of a shit about it, we’re just bored and want something to talk about, and the article is a good excuse to spur the conversationThat’s the reasoning behind most threads with some bullshit as the op: they’re a means to an end
I thought Sakurai was done with Smash.
>>738221824he's doing smash 6 because nintendo let him do air riders
>>738211197smash is going to be a 2028 game, next year is going to be pokemon gen 10, open world 3d mario and probably zelda
>>738221750Want some real information?From modded Smash?
>>738221050Is this what you want? Samurai wouldn't even let her in a Kirby game.
NSW2E of Ultimate with more characters and stages is perfectly fine honestly. People who cry about muh single player in Smash are in the extreme minority, 99 percent of people just play Smash to make Snake fight K Rool and shit anyway.
>>738220635I still want Wario. Actual Wario. Like how they revised Bowser for Smash 4, I want that for Wario. Give him his original size and proportions, base his animations off his actual animations from the Wario Land series, change his abilities, have him come into the fight lifting giant weights.
>>738219795Anon you can’t post that here they’re going to kill you
>>738211553Even just playing casually online is shit because of the noticeable delay.Theres no reason for it to exist, yet its forcibly there.
>>738210370Has Sakurai ever taken a day off? I thought he retired and took to youtube to pass down his perspectives and tips and the like.
>>738211385A lot of fighters will be getting cut, and not the ones people want to be cut.
>>738222635>Wario has an entire gimmick of being able to transform into all kinds of comedic forms to attack enemies>LE WACKY FART MANHow the fuck did this happen? Sakurai is usually super autistic about character portrayals.
>>738210370>a smash bros game for next gen releasing that early and without any kind of news or leaks almost haf a year away from releasefake and gay or totally a next gen port of ultimate.
>>738221824He's too Japanese to let Nintendo make one without him while he still breathes.
>>738211116nah fuck you ultimate is better than the wasteland that was 4 wich only saving grace was a exclusive mode for the 3ds version.
>>738222921>Sakurai is usually super autistic about character portrayals.Only now in Ultimate, before Smash was his fanfic with stuff like Luigi's Negative Zone and Falcondorf.
>more smash shitmove ON
>>738223057Doesn’t disprove my point. It’s a better smash 4, not smash 5
>>738210370It was pretty fucking obvious that getting to make Air Riders was his demand if he was gonna make yet another Smash game.
>Toad>Geno>Chargin' Chuck>Crono>Dante>Geralt>Jill/Leon>Wolf Link & Midna>Skull Kid>Scorpion>Sub-Zero>DOOM Guy>Gordon Freeman>FroggerEchoes/alts:>Zack>Impa>Raiden (MGS)>Ms. Pac-ManI am dead serious with this list. Yes, I want four Links. Yes I want them to make up a moveset for Frogger.
>>738222921I actually always just wanted his base personality to be present at least, like WL1, VBWL, Wario World, and Shake It did, but it would actually be really cool if different attributes of attacks briefly turn Wario into different forms. Like you can hit him with a fireball and he'll briefly turn into Fire Wario, bit him with a crushing attack and he'll briefly turn into Bouncy Wario, stuff like that would be really fun. It never clicked for me before how fun that would be for Smash.
Horse shit. See you in 2030.
>>738222858Sakurai receives a commission based on every copy of a game he's involved with. Look at how much Ultimate sold and tell me if he's really gonna retire. Smash legitimately pays out enough money based on that setup to last multiple generations if this was the case since Brawl. He's not leaving money on the table with Smash. All the complaining he does is a work, and people shouldn't be so eager to defend him.He also said an increase in price for games is necessary, and guess what that means for him if the next Smash game is $80 before tax. Guess what happens if he starts putting in more fan favorites.Guess what happens if Smash 6 is Ultimate DX.
>>738210370IT'S HIS TURN
>>738223297...except nintendo/HAL were the ones to come to him asking for another air ride
>>738222921>>738223160Fart Wario, quirky Luigi and Falcondorf are so lame. But watch him actually changing Ganondorf this time. It's Incineroar recycled into Totk Baradorf.
>>738210370Can’t wait for Ryu to come back but he has slime
>>738223463>All the complaining he does is a work, and people shouldn't be so eager to defend him.He knows people on xitter are going to rush to give him attention, wash his balls and tell him to "omg please rest please go on vacation, we don't deserve you" if he complains about being le tired from working so hard. It's all performative. This nigger obviously loves to do Smash more than any other kind of game, to sit down and do the same monotonous Smash shit over and over all day and all night, and the money it earns him.
>>738224131Here's the real question, if SF gets a third character is it Chun Li or Akuma
>>738224202chun li without question, but I don't think SF would get a third character
>>738224274Probably not. If Capcom gets another character it'd probably be Leon or the dude from Pragmata.
>>738224145Exactly. Imagine being able to play with other companies' characters like a fan would, but you get paid to do so and sell it as an official product. I honestly see why people want Ultimate DX, I can't blame them. Smash mods go even further with the concept.
Once Smash character reveals are back on the table, it’s easily the most exciting thing from Nintendo. I hope that the characters are absurdly random and that no one will be able to guess them.
>>738210370Just a reminder that all leaks regarding smash should be taken with a HUGE grain of salt and should NOT be spread as fact.This is especially the case with the image shown here as the “leaker” is extremely unreliable and has often got information drastically incorrect in the past. The only stuff the leaker has gotten correct are things literally anyone could’ve guessed like how an 8 year in development game such as metroid prime 4 was in development hell.A big account like dexerto reposting a leak does not confirm anything
SHE'S IN
>>738210454>Why not just do Ultimate: Switch 2 Edition + Subspace Emissary 2?NoLet “Everyone is Here” be unique to Ultimate and Subpace be unique to Brawl.
>>738224875you can say you hate indies on principle
>>738211532Movie's coming next year. We're 100% getting something. Might just be a remaster, or a combo pack of BotW + TotK, but Nintendo is not retarded enough to not have something. Mario got the two Galaxies together.
I don’t understand why since Sm4sh they have to pick the newest Pokèmon and FE protag and stop there. There are so many fan-favorite FE protags and Pokèmon from previous games and generations that would make for amazing fighters.
>>738210370Give me jump momentum, increased hitstun, and nerfed shields. That's all I want. Falcon feels so shit to play post Brawl.
Other franchises like DK and Metroid get to have their fan-favorites added, yet Pokèmon and Fire Emblem are subjected to characters from the newest games. It’s so fucking lame.This looks like a Smash render, if Sakurai was based Gardevoir would be playable by now.
oh great, more years of threadflooding and spamming
>>738210795Honestly I think going back to basics and being more willing to change things up will do a lot of good. Yeah Ultimate is really big, but a lot of times it feels like a better version of Smash 4, which felt like half of a sequel to Brawl. I want something that feels as fresh as the jump from 64 to Melee, or Melee to Brawl.Idk if is because we were younger but yeah... the evolution from Brawl to Ultimate felt too gradual, like "the same but better", 64 to Melee and Melee to Brawl were insane jumps, everything felt overhauled between these 3 games.
>>738211197Why does he have AVGN as a pfp?
>>738212110Nothing is getting cut for this one. It isn't a "new" game, it is just a port with extra content again. Nintendo knows they need something that can be seen as "big" coming to Switch 2 and Smash fits all the bills, but if they do a new game, then they know they won't have as much content and people are already critical of them right now. They are literally in the damned if you do, damned if you don't stage of Smash. People want new, but they hate starting from scratch.
>>738225436>melee to brawlThe only "insane jump" there was nerfing the fuck out of the physics to make everything floaty, slow and have no combos so 8 year olds won't cry losing to someone online (and because journalists thought Melee was too twitchy). Lo and behold, Project M made the game fun to play. Change for the sake of change isn't good. Refine and listen to what fans want lol
>>738210559Faggot lmao
>>738221824He said he was done with Smash after MeleeThen he said Brawl would be the last SmashThen he said Sm4sh was the end
>>738224945This.Focus on making a new and interesting Smash with maybe some gameplay twists for something actually new. Ultimate was already getting too bloated by the second fighter pass in the sense that individual fighters took nearly a whole year to balance.
>>738225590Sorry Timmy, but if you grew up with good platformers (which Wii babies did not) you'd have understood that SSE was fucking bland, lifeless dogzhit.
>>738210370ROSTERTHREADS ARE BACK ON THE MENUWHO'S /in/?
>>738211385>Cloud, Sephiroth, and Snake are honorary PlayStation reps.Ummm there’s more?
>>738225326>Most of the franchise is about fighting evil dragons>Can't play as THE evil dragonI would sacrifice all the FE characters except for Marth (of course) and Ike
Complete overhaul or fuck off.I'm sick of everyone starting from Sm4sh getting actual movesets referencing games while the first 12 have made up bullshit. I'm sick of seeing classic stages. I'm sick of Brawl voice clips and Brawl victory themes.
>>738225831>characters with no future will not stay in Smashwhy were captain falcon and the ice climbers in brawl then
>>738211467>2027 mentionedYeah probably not, especially if 4Chan’s Weeb comes out this year or ultimately delayed to next year.
>>738210454Ultimate has many underlying problems beyond the casual's eye. Also it's hard to believe but we're currently at the longest gap between smash games.
weDO NOTwantultimate deluxe!!!
>love me some Smash Run>probably not coming back
It's gonna be an open world Smash game, isn't it?
>>738218842I'm a smash autist and I agree with you fuck the rosterfags
>>738210517>Ultimate: Deluxe Edition sounds good?
Yay another switch 2 edition with 2 hours of new content thank you nintendo
Ultimate Deluxe with content such as characters and stages being released for the entire Switch 2 lifespan sounds good.
>>738212002If Sakurai is based enough she could be base roster, or DLC I guess.
He wont do it but if he removes the 8 frames of delay and adds rollback to Ult ill pay 20 dollars for an upgrade pack im fucking serious
I just want more platforming levels. SSE, melee adventure mode, and slap city's story mode were fantastic, but I want more.
>>738212660If Sakurai is back I’m sure we can expect the same song and dance>No new Zelda reps>No new Kirby reps>No new older Nintendo franchise getting a fighter that doesn’t already have oneJust a few things to mention. Not even getting into other things like bad moveset representation and portrayal like Sonic Wario and Ganondorf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVflVyrWS5Yanyone watching kagaribi?
>>738226537None of the original 12 are getting deleted, Don't know why people still bring up this asinine shit.
>>738226619>turn on stream>it’s steveEvery single time…
It's foolish to expect fresh fightan mechanics from Nintendo. You'll only get it from indies; they're the only ones interested in platfighter gameplay rather than fanservice.
>>738210370I'm hoping for a brand new smash and game mechanics.Also, this game needs rollback and a hangout lobby like DBFZ or Kirby Air Riders. Sakurai also spendt a lot of time with Harada (Tekken). Please, just add rollback man.
>>738210370i don't think Smash can ever be good again. The last time i feel like Smash any good was Smash 4 before all the DLC slop
>>738210873>>all the non-Nintendo characters cut (yes, including Sonic)i wish they'd just do a clean slate and do entirely new characters. they'd never do that because you've got to have mario and pikachu and link and whoever else, but the baggage of having to bring over a bunch of characters before they can even start on any new/interesting characters definitely bogs down development. obviously i don't expect them to bring over all 70 characters but whatever number they do settle on will be too high>b-but my main didn't make it in waaah waaahthen just keep playing project m or whatever, why do you fucks want to pay 70 bucks for a new game and play exact same character on the same maps with the same items
>>738210370It 100% will be a brand new smash game exclusive to switch 2. Do you know how much fucking money nintendo will make off switch 2 sales because of this? Its obvious these greedy nips are salivating at this proposition.
So clearly Smash isn’t releasing this year. What’s the big 2026 game then? What will be the focus at the supposed June Direct?
>>738210370>since kirby air riders>shitting out a new smash in barely 2 yearsyeah so its a re-release of smash ultimate, which was basically a re-release of smash 4.
>>738213670Honestly Pauline is a safe choice for me, I’d be more surprised if she wasn’t revealed from the start and missed the base roster. Pauline wouldn’t be received well as DLC.
>>738211024>Super Gay Fat Retard Homo PedophilesThey're making a game based off of /v/?!
>>738226907>What’s the big 2026 game then?Duskbloods
>>738211197>another metroid game on the horizonsays who? prime 4 was a flop, i doubt they're shitting about another prime game immediately. dread 2?
>>738214275Maybe this is the reason the rosters are revealed before release, even the unlockabkes, except for Noir Dedede in Air Rider’s case. You guys think Sakurai will finally stop being a weenie and add a 4th Kirby rep? Not even necessarily just Bandana Dee, I’m open to Magolor, Knuckle Joe or even Marx who was a Boss in Ultimate and even Air Riders itself.
>>738211824Only if they use the Rockapella Theme
>>738214481Speaking of, I wonder if Meowscarada still has a chance because Pokèmon Gen 10 Winds and Waves would coincide with Smash 6 assuming that somehow ends up true.
>>738210454Because that still needs all the licences renegotiated and getting them all for ultimate was hell, there needs to be cuts based on that alone
>>738210370>Roster faggin spam threads are coming backOh boy
>>738226961>wouldn’t be received well as DLCDidn't stop Byleth
>>738227269Meowscarada still has the better shot at becoming playable in my opinion because whatever this Smash project is was probably in development for a while, way before Gen 10 was relevant. If not Meowscarada, I’d take Sceptile.
>>738227269>Speaking of, I wonder if Meowscarada still has a chanceThey would unironically shill pic related and put him in the game as a Lucario's rival/friend
>>738215991Agreed, let Ultimate be Sakurai’s last hurrah
>>738210454i don't care for ultimate. its uglier and plays worse than smash 4 and lost it's vision with all the 3rd-party dlc slop
They could let some random nobody at Bamco come up with the next Smash game’s roster and it would probably be better than whatever the fuck Sakurai would do.
>>738210559The cutscenes weren't even good. I expect a higher quality of writing than "Mario and Kirby are fighting in a tournament for no reason and then Petey Piranha shows up and then one of the two heroes FUCKING DIES and then you play as Pit"I want something like one of the Links chimping out at the sight of a Ganondorf from a different timeline or Captain Falcon, Ryu, Little Mac, Incineroar, and Ike having an arm wrestling competition only for Donkey Kong to wander by and absolute trash them. Treat the characters like they were taken directly from their home series.
>>738227408smash always leaves a spot open for the next new gen pokemon no matter when the project started
>>738217361Smash Remix, Team Akaneia and Smash REX get special shoutouts
>>738226741bracket: https://www.start.gg/tournament/15-kagaribi-15/event/singles/brackets/2132356/3107477
>>738218027>Kirby is the definition of boring baby shit and is inferior to Mario platformer games in every way.At least Kirby didn’t have a Sticker Star moment, Virtual Boy game or M&L Remake selling badly.
>>738218842Guess I’ll start it off heheheh
>>738210370Oh cool. I can't wait for another game that neuters mechanics because "muh competition". Oh and I also can't wait for more garbage characters that'll mainly be clones because shitkurai is a lazy fuck that has an ego the size of a planet.>>738210454lol sakurai will never add SSE because he's a salty bitch. What we'll get is ultimate 2.0 with more clones and lazy garbage.>>738210559Nintendo does this all the time.
>>738227538I wasn't expecting Mega Man to get released so soon, my source said he was still being cleaned up. Greninja however was unexpected.
>>738227187Air Riders has a bad roster.
>>738210873>assist trophies goneWhy?
WHO WATCHING KAGARIBARI
>>738214275Who fucking cares? He can grow up and put his ego aside.
>>738227847NTA but I wouldn’t call it a bad roster. My only complaint is the lack of a Kirby 64 rep.
>>738225208Lyn was only requested because she was gaijin's first FE waifu (they were unaware/unwilling to accept that she's canonically Hector's wife)
>>738219559Even more of a based inclusion than Piranha Plant
>>738226537The seething, frothing-at-the-mouth western hateboner for Corrin is legitimately confusing to Japanese FE fans
>>738227856Potential newcomers get a chance to become playable instead of rotting in an item section that can be turned off. Assist trophies did nothing but reduce the amount of newcomers that future games can use.
>>738226537I dunno, Marth + 1 really isn't that bad. Fire Emblem doesn't really get the sales nor does it have the cultural relevance even in Japan. An SRPG about cats and Hitler just beat the sales of the most recent Fire Emblem game and is on a lifetime sales track to beat every single Fire Emblem game. FE isn't even the most relevant game in its genre unlike Animal Crossing, Splatoon, Metroid, Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda.
>>738220635>All those 3rd PartiesSmash Bros Hot Take: I feel like 3rd Party Special Guests have become a little over done and also completely polluted speculation to the point that people are getting made fun of for wanting B or C list Nintendo characters in the Nintendo crossover. I want to see some more "less important" Nintendo characters on the roster.I would even go as far as cutting all them for a reboot, even Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man, Nintendo seniority be damned. Smash needs a reboot. It needs a reset.
>>738227269>pokemon is doing yet another grass bird and water lizard starter
Why do people have any hope for Smash whatsoever? The series has been nothing but "hype moments and aura" for the past ~20 years, because Melee's skill ceiling scared Sakurai into believing that competitive and casual play cannot coexist. Here's the thing: people played Melee casually. Melee is a great game casually. And Smash is a big enough series that casual players wouldn't have any issues finding other casual players to play with online.Every attempt at designing a casual-friendly Smash game with a deliberately lower skill ceiling has failed, and it has nothing to do with the removal of "advanced techniques" that Sakurai himself documented in 64 and Melee (Z / L canceling, wavedashing, etc.):>BrawlSlow, floaty, and awkward, with extremely imbalanced characters like Meta Knight and Ice Climbers. No one looks back on Brawl's gameplay fondly, the game is remembered exclusively for SSE and the Dojo.>4Slow, floaty, and awkward. It's difficult to describe how unpleasant 4 felt to play.>UltimateSuperficially better than Brawl or 4, but it's become clear that Ultimate's system mechanics, technical flaws, and design philosophy are extremely unhealthy for competitive play. The first year or so of Ultimate was good, but the cracks were already showing with characters like Palutena. Ultimate has the worst meta of any Smash game, which is impressive considering Brawl and post-Bayonetta 4 exist. This isn't just a competitive problem, there are a ton of Steve, G&W, ROB, Luigi, etc. on casual online, and they're fucking miserable to play.This series basically just exists for rosterfags and reaction content at this point. No one gives a fuck about the gameplay because it's been hopelessly shit for years.
>>738212002Good luck fellow Shantae bro
Somebody call Papa Genos!
>>738227187>Maybe this is the reason the rosters are revealed before release, even the unlockabkesyeah probably that, and the fact the roster got leaked before launch, yet again, with the 3DSif it's gonna get out there might as well do it on your own terms, best foot forward
Geno is going to become playable, right? He got a remake. He’s relevant again.
>>738228191Smash needs Geno. Geno doesn't need Smash. That's how much of a tight spot Smash is in now. A smaller roster means your newcomers have to count.
>>738228017Except that's not true at all. Several characters have made the leap from AT to playable character. Isabelle, Little Mac, Dark Samus, hell Min-Min is pretty much just playable Springman. The only current ATs that would make for good newcomers would be Bomberman, Zero (though X is far more likely), Waluigi, &Knuckles.
>>738210370Oh boy, I can't wait for half of the catalogue to be smash bros IS SHE IN?!?! threads.
>>738221024I want 8 Final Fantasy reps!We may not get no more than Cloud and Sephiroth but at least Dissidia still exists. Can’t say the same for Fire Emblem, imagine polluting Smash instead of just having your own dedicated fighting game.
>>738228094Ultimate is not nearly as bad as you make it out to seem. The problem isn't that it's inherently flawed, the problem is Fighter's Pass 2.
>>738227667Kirby clash was ass just on principle alone, and I refuse to consider star allies to be good.
>>738228324>hell Min-Min is pretty much just playable Springman.you're right overall but this one's just talking out your ass
Smash reveals are the closest thing to experiencing childhood Christmas morning feelings as an adult. There is nothing better than Smash reveals.
>>738210370I think Air Riders was such a silencer of a lot of narratives that Sakurai can't do fun or expressive stuff anymore that I think he has the potential to really kill it with the next and probably his final Smash game. I really hope there are modifiers that allow for casual and competitive players to both be happy, like launch, speed and momentum. It would be great to have a "melee mode" and "ultimate mode" with a fully featured roster
>>738228324>Several characters have made the leap from AT to playable character.>Three >SeveralNo.>hell Min-Min is pretty much just playable Springman. Min-Min is in because Sakurai felt the need to give ARMS 'something' before being forced to add an ARMS rep and didn't want to admit he made a mistake. Same with Rex's costume. Nothing is better than something, something can keep you from becoming playable.
>>738228135Somebody also call Nin10doland! Aaronitmar! Uncle Al! Delzethin!
>>738211553Retard, he was talking about the online connection in general, pay attention. Who said shit about competitive niggers? Are you a homo?
I can't wait to play Smash 6 after waiting a full 8 years since Ultimate and realize that I'd just rather be playing Rivals of Aether.If it's not the gameplay, it'll be the online. If it's not the online, it'll be the input delay. It's always something with Smash. Shit's been monkey paw'd for years.
All Fire Emblem characters need to be removed except for Marth and 1 rep from the most recent game
>>738228420Many of the most cancerous characters in the game are base game characters:>G&W>ROB>Sonic>Luigi>SnakeIt has nothing to do with FP2. FP2 did make the game worse by introducing more characters who don't actually play Smash or abide by its rules, but the problem is systemic.
>>738227847It would be good if Adeleine and Mr. Frosty were there.
deltarune WILL make it in>>738225808the brawl themes are tuff tho
>>738228021Heck even in Nintendo’s own damn Museum Mural the only FE characters are Marth and Chrom. I think Sakurai should maybe take inspiration from this when deciding the roster for the next game. There’s so many obscure characters on here too, even that Bat Girl Barbara from Jam with the Band that caught my eye when taking a look back at this.
>>738228017Speaking of Assist Trophies, discuss and speculate. Don’t follow my list make your own in text if you’re too lazy to do how I did it.
>>738227891>2 Waddle Dees in different slots>4 generic enemies specifically chosen for gameplay gimmicks instead of actual popularity> the only female rider is fucking Susie, of all things>Marx as both a boss and a stolen glass gimmick at the same time>Zorah as both a rider and two Legendary machines right off the batNo, Air Riders' roster reeks of bad design. And it's only made worse by its suspiciously Smash Ultimate-tier holes.
>>738228510Kek
>>738210370Kek they put him right back in the Smash mines after letting him off the hook temporarily for Air Riders KEK
>>738227916A good amount of people got their start with FE during the GBA/GC era, 3DS era is so disgustingly overrated. This poll is fairly recent too btw.
>>738227847>Air Riders has a bad rosterJust Sakurai things anon
>>738228021>>738228679FE is there for the waifufag audience who will buy the game just because their waifu is in it. It's whey have the male versions of the protags but everyone plays the female versions.
>>738228874That poll is biased. Normalfags aren’t following Nagapedia. Only hardcore FE fans are voting.
>>738228874>A good amount of people got their start with FE during the GBA/GC eraThat's true for gaijins, since this was their first opportunity to play FE. As a result, westerners tend to view these as holy shining examples of what a FE game should be like, which is odd to Japanese fans
>>738222921Exactly. Warios moves should be like Kirby where it picks from a bunch of different powers.
>>738210370Still not buying a Switch 2
>>738228815>>2 Waddle Dees in different slotsWaddle Dee deserved a separate space from Bandana Waddle Dee.>4 generic enemies specifically chosen for gameplay gimmicks instead of actual popularityKirby's generic enemies are good characters.>the only female rider is fucking Susie, of all thingsKirby should not do DEI for its rosters.>Marx as both a boss and a stolen glass gimmick at the same timeNot an issue.>Zorah as both a rider and two Legendary machines right off the batCool unlock.The only real problem with the roster:>no Adeleine
>>738228958Normalfags are also lemmings who don't really dictate the flow of anything in the long term.
>>738227715Shantae isnt indie
>>738228923You know, maybe Sakurai has shit taste and shouldn't be touching Smash anymore. Has that ever crossed your mind?
If Dark Samus somehow survives the great character purge of Smash 6, please give her an actual moveset. It's fucking weird that she had unique moves as an assist trophy, then come promotion in Ultimate "echo fighter lol"
>>738220635I'm not really a rosterfag, I want what >>738220738 wants.Rosterfaggotry killed this series.
>>738227715I would be happy if Syrup was in fucking anything.
>>738229092Is WayForward not an independent studio anymore? Who'd they get bought by?
>>738228815>>4 generic enemies specifically chosen for gameplaybased
>>738228923K Rool in Smash is fine though
>>738229157>wanting more anime swordsmenfuck off swigger
>>738227358Also I’m remembering Piranha Plant was technically DLC
>>738228815>salty waifufagsadly your opinion is worthless, continue crying(and being wrong) forever
>>738229169I seriously hope that isn't your actual definition of indie otherwise you're a bigger retard than I thought.
>>738228923It's offensive what Sakurai did to Diddy. I can't play him even though I love DK, the noises he makes are just too fucking annoying.
>>738229260Being an independent development studio is the literal definition of indie, mutt. What did you think it stood for?
The concept of Switch 2 having a game that generates as much hype as Smash does feels so unreal to me right now because of the absolute garbage Nintendo has been churning out. I’m having a difficult time comprehending Nintendo releasing a game that’s actually exciting.
>>738229260Your right, indie doesn't mean studio independence, it means moody low fidelity tumblrslop about trauma, right?
>>738226805I kinda hate that this picture was taken because it kinda soft confirms an Undertale/Deltarune rep, of course I would love to be wrong.
>>738229346Sorry but you're getting Lancer and only Lancer.
>>738229260this better be bait
>>738212697Prime 4 and TotK were probably the reasons Nintendo started doing short windows between announcement and release. I think they won't announce a game going forward until they're sure they can have it out within a year max.
>>738226649Like every other shitty fan rule the one that’s the stupidest is the Original 12 being immune from cuts.Jigglypuff is really the only one of the OG 12 with any real reason to go.Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Pikachu, Link, Kirby, and Samus aren't going anywhere.Fox, Captain Falcon, and Ness are from irrelevant franchises, but they're the faces of those franchises, and their series are notable enough to where they'd very likely want to ensure they're still on the roster.And then there's Jigglypuff who just fails to match the popularity and iconicity of plenty of other Pokémon these days, even those just from Gen 1 itself.
>>738228185Probably one of the main reasons why they revealed Fox before that Mario Galaxy movie released.
>>738229346Toby's so enmeshed in Japan and Nintendo that it wouldn't surprise me if he not only gets a character, but gets Kris and the other 2 protagonists as some sort of triple character like Pokemon Trainer.
>>738229327Wow, you really are a retard. >According to this faggot Nintendo is an indie companyThe average IQ on this board has been getting real low recently
>>738229437Its funny because I totally get what youre saying, but they also tend to be pretty good in the opposite direction as well. Metroid Dread and Air Riders were announced within less than a year of release, and that hyper accelerated release cycle and quickness to show ingame footage I think helped those games out
>>738229447>Jigglypuff is really the only one of the OG 12 with any real reason to go.Wrong, she's fun to play as, therefore has the best reason to stay a fighter can have.
>>738225768Get fucking Tiki in Smash dammit, no! Not as an Assist Trophy! Same for Black Knight and Lyn.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/81137545
>>738211197Testing btw. I know some that change like onions and desu
>>738210795That would be 9 years since release and 6 since they basically stopped doing DLC.
>>738229519>TMS#FE Tiki acknowledgedThat was such a good design for her, both the "fantasy" and default idol clothes.
>>738229482>According to this faggot Nintendo is an indie companyNintendo is a publicly traded multinational corporation, retardo. Not an independent development studio like WayForward. Please share with the thread your definition of what makes a developer indie.
>>738227292With AI. It’s gonna be worse. >>738229594Damn.
>>738229157>hero playerOpinion discarded.
>>738226805must be peculiar being surrounded by people actually worth a damn
>>738224921I want him in unironically
>>738210370OH MY GOD I HECKIN CLAPPED WHEN I SEE BRANDS I RECOGNIZE
>>738224202Gimmie Chun Li where you’re at it
>>738229651You'll have him in Fortnite
>>738229482Nintendo isn't a development studio, and it's not a private company, it's a publicly traded corporation beholden to shareholders, stop being an idiot.
>>738228548W post
>>738229614>Nintendo is a publicly traded multinational corporationAnd not once in that sentence did you mention a distinguishing factor that made nintendo not an "indie" company by your stupid definition
>>738210370As much as I love Smash, where the hell is there to go from here? I understand a big update with maybe a story mode, game modes, characters and maybe even a throwback mode where characters have N64/Melee skin. But a new game? With all these new characters Smash has? I just don’t see it.
>>738228815Sakurai is Sexist?
>>738210370I wanted my bro to take a rest. :(
>>738229092Do you piss and shit yourself in confusion when Nintendo includes new Shantae titles in their Indie World showcases? They must not know anything about video games.
>>738220635Less guests, more Nintendo. Midna.
>>738229726>And it's not a private company, it's a publicly traded corporation beholden to shareholdersAnd In what way does that make it not a independent company.
Sakurai is necessary because anyone else in his position would be motivated by greed. They would add characters like Tung Tung Tung Sahur.
>>738228627Holy filtered. Git gud
>>738229650What the FUCK did Sakurai do to you?
>>738229931hell yeah add triple t
>Leo in top 8 of Kagaribi 15NiceI fucking hate this game, but tournaments are occasionally kino. Can't wait for some lame-ass character like Min Min, Steve, or Snake to win regardless, though.
Ngl this still irks me, I’m sure nobody would be mad at Samurai Goroh, maybe a minority since Fire Emblem made Smash fans hate swords.
>>738230017no one gives a shit about f zero
>>738229946I'd never, he made Kirby and I appreciate thatyou know I'm talking about the only non-Jap there you silly GOOSE
How we feeling Waluigi Bros?Ridley, K. Rool, Banjo and Sora used to be in our position.
>>738211963Smash really doesn't take that long. Melee took a little over a year. Brawl, 4, and Ultimate took 2-3 years.
I am past giving a shit about rosters, or subspace, or trivial shit like trophies and jingle key fluff.I just want IMPROVED GAMEPLAY and ROLLBACK NETCODE and NO BULLSHIT INPUT DELAY. That's it. I've been absolutely spoiled by Rivals 2, Project+ and Ultimate's HDR mod. They all play buttery smooth whereas vanilla Smash feels like playing underwater, it's actually dreadful. Yet only fucking one of these has good online (Rivals) and it's the game that doesn't interest me as much. Doesn't matter a whole lot to me now since I care more about traditional fighters, but I wish the smash games that aren't broken ass Melee got more community love. Brawlback netcode was overdue years ago step the fuck up you faggots.
>>738230135You ask of too much, just take what you can get
>>738211278Entirely possible if instead of everything being in game unlockable at launch they develop and drip feed it to us as they go, for a price
>>738227473Contrarian retard. Sm4sh is a slower game and you're not punished for spamming rolls outside of standard roll catching. Also bayonetta ruined the game beyond repair, not even Kazuya, strong as he is, is 1/10 as bad.
>>738230017I wouldn't be mad at it but I wouldn't be hyped by it either even as someone who always plays fire scorpion/goroh in f-zero
>>738229108Of course anonChildhood is idolizing Smash Bros.Adulthood is realizing the flaws in Sakurai's vision.Imagine introducing echo fighters as a concept in the same game about bringing every character back. It really makes the former feel overshadowed by the latter.
>>738229856By the way of not being independent.
>>738220635LET HIM IN as a replacement for Snake
>>738230173No, Sakurai is asking for money for his games, he has every right to ask for as much as he wants. I'm glad people are moving away from 'being grateful', and realizing Smash is a product. Treat it like one, ask for what you want and make sure Sakurai gives you a reason to give him your money.
>>738210454>Ultimate: Switch 2 EditionUltiamte is 7 1/2 years old. At this point it's already longer than any other gap between games, and by the time it comes out it will be close to 10 years.>Subspace Emissary 2No one gave a shit about it other than the cutscenes.
>shadow fagsNobody likes or wants him. Give us knuckles and tails
>>738230086I would be cool if he actually plays like "Waluigi if he was fighting" but it'll suck if he's "spin-off man references spin-offs to attack"
>>738212795>best modeIt was quantity over quality. I enjoyed Melee's adventure mode and classic mode in Ultimate more.
>>738230247>Imagine introducing echo fighters as a concept in the same game about bringing every character back. It really makes the former feel overshadowed by the latter.the point was to get retards to stop yelling at him about how clones were "stealing slots from unique characters" and it seemingly worked seeing as how that died down with ultimate
>>738230173I don't want to be the faggot who pulls the "Nintendo gets away with it" card like usual, but every other fighting game under the sun is expected to have rollback and now even crossplay (which is moot here for obvious reasons) or they get blasted. Somehow Smash gets away with dreadful input delay and buffer on top of the awful netcode too.I'm tired of the bootlickers. I love Smash too but I'd rather emulate a modified version because what's being provided is subpar.>>738230290This. It's a shame Nintendo never listens though, and Namco is not exactly stellar when it comes to their track record of implementing proper online either.
>>738229780The fact that its not INDEPENDENT?though this way you can argue Valve is which is funny in a technically true sort of way
>>738210559Fucking finallyBrawl had so many fucking issues (on launch)The trippingThe dogshit onlineThe wack balance and rosterBut nothing felt like a total letdown like SSE. We dragged ourselves to play through it once and never touched it again.
That looks like a Chinese grandma
>>738230327Tails, Knuckles, Metal Sonic, Eggman in his walker, maybe Blaze if we're feeling funky, I would be fine with any and all of that. But given how much Sega has been peddling Shadow lately I won't be surprised if he ends up a Sonic echo.
No icies no buysies, simple as.
>>738230410>fun mechanic>2008>good roster>second best mode in smash bros
>>738214275Brawl released in Japan over a month before the US, and even longer to release everywhere elsewhere. It's their fault for not doing a global release. Also it's stupid because the vast majority of buyers probably didn't even watch it online. And this was the relatively early days of youtube when there were far fewer people online.
>>738230485There he is, the one guy on the planet that gives a fuck about ice climbers. You’re a homo.
>>738210370GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MOOOOOORNNNING /v/!!!
>>738230485I still remember that thread where we came up with Ice Climber 2 ideas. Too bad nothing like that ever happened.
>>738230485I think they're pretty safe to return, they were even planned to come back in 4 but cut because they couldn't do it on 3DS
>>738230327>>738230468I don’t really want a new Sonic character when Sonic himself is still aids to play against.
>>738230583Never ever.
URBAN CHAMPION FOR SMASH #URBANCHAMPIONSWEEP #ONECHAMPILLIONCOPIES
>>738230583Here's a better picture
>>738210517You realize this is the longest time between Smash games. Ultimate came out only 4 years after Smash 4.
I genuinely miss rosterfag autism. There’s nothing like it.
>>738230531Oh yeah you know it. Only half homo though, Icies are a duo after all.>>738230590>>738230621I'm kinda shocked Sakurai never did anything with them outside of Smash like he did with Pit. I'll actually buy a Switch 2 if they got a game.
>>738219556Who remembers the flip memes?
Fuck Cloud and Sephiroth, I need my bitch Terra in.>Female>Best FF rep you could get for the old SNES era (albeit Cecil is also a good choice)>Has a mecha and she could work like Tron Bonne in Mahvel or do summons>Final Smash is Sabin suplexing a train towards the others. I fucking hate Square not showing respect to 2D FF.
Nice, I wonder what new Marths we will get this time
>>738229338I hope they open Smash 6 with Rhythm Heaven or something.No offense but using a character a franchise that already has characters is the most unsurprising way to reveal a new Smash.The reason why Smash 4 and Ultimate's first reveals were so memorable is because of the chosen newcomers being from franchises with no playable character or existing underrepresented franchises which were Animal Crossing and Splatoon.
What are his chances bros?
>>738230778
I'm ready for another wave of smashposting
>reportedly>rumoredliteral nothing burger
>>738226649>You can't cut any of the OG12 from smash no matter what. They are untouchable.Why though? I agree, they should be honored in some way. But SSB dates back to 1999, not 1301... It's not some kind of holy tradition to have these characters.It's a neat tradition, but not something we should have holding the games back. Street Fighter 6 doesn't have all the the Street Fighter 2 characters, and nobody seems to have a problem with that.
>>738230854Sakurai has this posted on the wall of his office
>>738230910Holding the games back from what? Adding more anime swordsmen with down b counters?
>>738230910Street Fighter doesn't have an intensely autistic (and violent) playerbase.
Sweet a super fire emblem bros thread
>>738230495FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOUhonestly revisiting it I think I'd have a much different appreciation, since the mindset was another 64 to Melee glowup and got something probably more refinedexcept that dogshit internet is no excuse, we're already on Halo 3 at this point, mario kart on the ds had better connectivity
I'm prepared for the next smash to have a whack ass gimmick that's either enforced and generally disliked or togglable and ignored completely despite tons of resources being poured into it.
>thread devolves into rosterfagging yet again
>>738228732Tingle should have gotten in back when he got his DS games.
>>738229602Here’s one for Kumatora, the Duster alt mixed with her Club Titiboo appearance is absolutely adorable and my favorite.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/81137543
>>738231013latency in fighting games is a LOT more noticeable than any other genre, so i dont think there was much they could do back then
Can Mario finally get rid of his stupid FLUDD move? That move fucking sucks.
>>738231040Mario if he feel
Damn these threads are complete and utter shit
>Waluigi has no moveset potential for Smash Bros
>>738224202easily could do both>Chun Li is launch base roster>Akuma is DLC like how he normall is
>what are you looking at?
What is this concert going on right now in the Smash tournament stream that anon linked? It’s peak cringekino.
>>738230247The more time passes, the more I come to genuinely dislike Sakurai as a director. At first, you're impressed with his attention to detail and work ethic, but over time you realize that he's incredibly autistic and controlling. It's a problem that a lot of Nintendo creatives have, and Sakurai is no exception. He simply can't understand any perspective that isn't his own.
>>738231160"No moveset potential" was never a real argument for any character ever, Fox and Captain Falcon have been there from day one. If you pay attention to them and have some imagination there's infinite moveset potential.
>>738210370>new Smash is a 3D fighter akin to Power Stone>roster is between the Original Smash and Melee>new move sets for every character (so it can work in 3D)>single-player mode
>>738230410the cutscenes were the only good part. well, that and realizing that you could go back in the post-game to unlock a few characters like wolf and toon link.
>>738231259I would love that, a Smash Bros. Tenkaichi.
How would Waluigi fags feel if Toad/Toadette got in instead with a moveset revolving around the Mario spinoffs?Seethe or acceptance?
>>738231059Smash IS rosterfaggotry at this point, there's no escaping it. No one cares about the gameplay anymore.
>>738231259I want Smash to do something different like this, but it won't. Remix and Rivals of Aether have basically replaced Smash for me at this point. Combo Devils might be good too, but I'm a bit worried about the roster. Smash going in a new and different direction would feel like a breath of fresh air after, what, 18 years of boring, bland nu-Smash.
>>738231340Same as when they added the Toads to all the platformers instead of Wario and Waluigi. Complete disinterest. They're too bland and innofensive to get mad at, but there are much better options that make it disappointing.
>>738210559>only the cutscenes are good, gameplay-wise it sucks and is a slogAgreed. Never understood the cope that shit got. Only thing in smash that gets more cope than SSE is Lucina being a good addition.
>>738231349>No one cares about the gameplay anymore.the characters make up most of the gameplay, it's a fighting game
>>738210370Nope. Not doing this again, even if it is just a Switch 2 version of Ultimate
>>738231437I don't care about Waluigi but making Wario funny minigame fart man will never make me not mad. Give me a proper shoulder charge and Warioland styled moveset ffs
>>738210627If it ain't broke don't fix it.
>>738210370>Is going to go back on IV drip while working againI need this fucker to make a new Kid Icarus game. Only then does he have my permission to die.
If it doesn't have a big platforming adventure mode with a story I'm not interested.
>>738229447Ness is likelier to go than Jigglypuff because nobody played Earthbound
Shadow the Hedgehog as an Assist Trophy ffor a fourth time in a row. I simply live with the pain.
>>738230641Boring pick. Nobody wants to play as some random Turkey Tom looking motherfucker.
>>738231340Meh. Toad deserves to be in the game ever since brawl, but it would definitely hinder Waluigi's chances since Sakurai is really autistic about references and new characters playing just like in the original games even if it's detrimental to game balance
>>738210559>>738211132>>738227525>>738230410>>738231496sameFAGGOT btw
>>738231528Mario is angry. Luigi is weird. Wario farts and has stupid animations. Peach has Toad take hits for her. Bowser and Donkey Kong do not have their normal voices. Ganondorf. The newcomer I want the most is a new director
If we got a second KH rep, Riku or Roxas? I think a really cool choice would be Xemnas. There's also the waifu choice in putting Aqua because porn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIFg0dyJQzA
2B, Mai Shiranui, Chun-Li, Jill Valentine, KOS-MOS, Lip, Adeleine, Ashley, Dixie Kong, Tinkaton, Pauline, Saki Amamiya, and Ring Fit Trainee should be playable. Smash needs more female characters and sex appeal. Plus, they need more porn and I'm sure their inclusions will prevent boys from becoming homosexuals.How would you feel about their inclusions?
Damn, Sparg0 taking out the trash here. As a Cloud main, this is fucking amazing to watch.
>>738231671I DO
>>738231812>Star Fagtruly a different time
I want robotnik in. Specifically a take on his 3d iteration from the SA 1 or 2.
>>738231812this is a precious artifacti can't believe i miss this dog shit decade
>>738231259I'd rather have another Power Stone, thanks
>>738231824My brother in Christ, Mai IS porn, which is why Sakurai didn't put her in Ultimate
>>738231812I was 11 when Brawl released. I'm turning 30 this year.
>>738231784>If we got a second KH rep, Riku or Roxas?both are excellent choices, roxas is perfect for an echo fighter with a new dual wielding final smash and riku would be great as a fully original fighter wielding the darkness attacks from CoM and such
>no baked in input delay>rollback multiplayer with fun party modes as well as a normal-ass ranked queue>trophies are back because I like themthis is like all i ask.smash ultimate being the """last hurrah""" is a joke to me when its implementation as an online fighting game is so bad that someone got doxxed for making a mod to make it feel good to play because that's "cheating"
>>738232080mmm... no.
>>738210370damn id prefer if he made a new ip or revive a dead nintendo ip over anything else.but no back to the smash bros againhonestly this is the only nintendo-adjacent person i care about left everyone else is either out of touch, no longer working with nintendo at all or is no longer with us. so this is just bad news for me man
>>738232046Consider the addition of bayonetta, she's literally naked half the time but sakurai threw away the canon because he knows that shit just doesn't matter in smash. He'd probably have given kirby a keyblade if it was his decision to make.It's really not that hard to cover up the cleavage like with mythra's thigh highs.
>>738232080What do you mean you don't like playing with your controller covered in molasses while submerged underwater and inputs sent via snailmail? Are you fucking entitled or something???
>>738232121>revive a dead nintendo ipLike what?
>>738232228ice climbers climbslop game is the freest slam dunk on the planet right now in a world that's post-PEAK and Foddylikes
>>738232191Mai could be put in Smash with an outfit that complies with CERO but it'd also be character assassination and I don't want that
>>738232270>turn ice climber in some friendslop trashkeep it
WAKEY WAKEY EGGS AND BAKEY
>>738232191Plus he absolutely did not give a flying fuck when he gave Pyra and Mythra jiggle physics
>>738232228Ice Climber
>>738232306would be better than kid icarus uprising with that dogshit gambling-based difficulty system tbqh
>>738232080play [redacted] if you want functioning online and good gameplay
>>738212834Keep seething engaygie. The fact that Xenoblade 3 and Totk got new spirits in the 2024 ultimate update, but not engage proves that no one at Nintendo gives a shit about it.
>>738232270Years ago, I would have said your idea is moronic. But since Nintendo proved they can make games with interesting physics between TotK and DK Bananza, a modern Ice Climber's game actually sounds promising.
So if Smash isn’t revealed at the June Direct what the fuck are we going to do for a year?
>>738232417play literally anything else
>>738232417Let's all learn an instrument and form a band.
>>738232275>but it'd also be character assassinationIt is really not all that.>>738232317This. Literally just be subtle and you can get past any censor.
>>738232417>the June Direct>the
>>738226537I could take the "broo it's a nintendo series brooo it has to emphasize nintendo characters brooo" shit more seriously if nintendo's first party output had actually generated interesting and memorable new characters/IPs in significant numbers recently. if you want popular nintendo IP that isn't being repped already you need to reach into the past quite a bit. idk you could put in like... inkling. another xenoblade, pokemon, FE rep. A tomodachi rep would just be a mii. maybe a new zelda rep.you can understand why this isn't as exciting as a left-field 3rd party rep at this point
>>738232417i still haven't bought a switch 2bananza and air riders were the only "good" games on it to begin with but now even those are facing scrutiny now that the honeymoon phase is overi really don't want to buy what feels like a ps5 with mario's face on it for a gorillion dollars.
>>738232558>inklingi mean octolingcouldn't even remember the different name they're so similar
>>738232564I don’t blame you for not buying one. I’ve just been using my Switch 2 to play SNES NSO games and the occasional Kirby Air Riders online event.
>>738232490>posts an alt costume that, while cool, is absolutely nowhere as iconic as her defaultYou're just proving my point
>>738232689It was posted as a proof of concept. You really think Sakurai wouldn't make some sort of composite design like Ridley?
play all platform fighters (even though most are kusoge)
>>738232736Nick 2 was really that good?
>>738232736>brawl not in s tieryou know nothing (smash remix in s is based though)
>>738232736>Brawl in DI respect your shitty opinon but is still shit.
brawl was a top tier party game as a kid but every time i've gone back to play it's been like "wow this sucks" the best party games are also fun to play in general imo
>A rumor about Smash coming down the pipe has people riled up againI had my fill after Four. I don't want to do this again...
>>738232558I could take the 3rd party rep people more seriously, if they didn't pick the most retarded, unaffiliated 3rd party characters ever. There are a lot of characters that aren't first party, but are still highly associated with Nintendo. But do the 3rd party people pick those characters? Nope. They reach into the depths of the Xbox or Playstation crowd and pull out one of the least Nintendo characters you ever heard of.Normal 3rd beggars: "Maybe Shantae can be in the game. She has a long history with Nintendo, and just kind of fits the vibe.3rd party radicals: "They should put in Kratos from God of War. What? If Snake can get in, then anyone can. Anyway, put in Doom guy. XD"
>>738210559Trvth nvke
>>738212719You're literally me. Fuck Sora.
Smash Ultimate: Ultimate
>>738233126Shantae was barely relevant even when she was getting shilled and is even less relevant outside of coomers now IMOkratos feels like a tonal clash as a super mature moviegamedoomguy is super nintendo era from a very "gameplay first" series and the way some of the newer games like to call back to and hold reverence for the originals feels very nintendo to me, i think it can work
>>738233271KINGtos lets other characters get into Smash before he does because he's a better man.
>>738211197Shit taste. On the other side, Im quite lucky we have new entries for my fav games in the next 2 years>parasite eve III>vagrant Story 2>dino crisis remake>darkstalkers iv>shin megami tensei 6
>>738229469Westerners really over exaggerated his popularity in japan.
>>738222635Wario World literally has half of a moveset just by itself, it's ridiculous. That gane has 3 throw moves and not a single one was put into Smash!
>>738212110All of them. Smash used to be the ultimate crazy ass you cant believe this is a real crossover. Like the Oscars/rock hall of fame for videogames. Now its Fortnite so it doesnt make sense to try to outdo fortnite when you can play lars ulrich, tung tung tung sahur, mumble rap nigger flavor of the week and family guy
>>738232558>if you want popular nintendo IP that isn't being repped already you need to reach into the past quite a bit.They're doing the exact same thing for 3rd parties though, so why not? Smash representation had been half advertisement, half museum since Melee anyway.
>>738233431I dunno you can throw in like, Mike Jones or Mach Rider but seeing new games repped is part of the fun
>>738233451The new games are usually part of established franchises, so if you want new games repped you probably get... I don't fucking know, Nintendo barely makes good characters anymore. Sylux? Tom Nook? Just reach into the past and pluck out Captain Syrup at this point.
>>738233614Syrup getting in would mean a lot for Wario.She may even get a spot in the Mario spinoffs.
>>738233614>Nintendo barely makes good characters anymoreWhat makes you say this? Do you just not legitimately care for any new characters they introduced in existing IPs or new IPs made in general?
>>738231671Gimmie Excitebikerhttps://youtu.be/CRjDP-ZrsoA?si=BJoW8STLdbH8v5Tv
>>738233905This guy gets it.
>>738233878Name some, I'm genuinely at a loss. There's the Astral Chains guy, I guess? New FE fuckers? New Xenobladers? Ditto larping as a fucking disgusting humanoid abomination? Their latest big game was Bananza, but the only characters that really mattered in an active sense in that game are already playable in Smash.
>>738231680When you really think about it Brawl was the only game to not have a true Mario newcomer. Yeah we got Wario but his series icon is the W and not the Mushroom.
>>738231784Mickey Mouse.
>>738233854She needs to be treated as Peach's rival in spinoffs like 20 years ago. She's the original Wapeach. Wario is Mario's rival, Syrup is Peach's rival, Mario and Peach get along, Wario and Syrup are also rivals. Perfect diagram.
>>738231812Legends say that players are still trying to unlock Tabuu to this dayhttps://youtu.be/VQnmDWdV2YU
>>738232046Oh Mai goodness anon…https://youtu.be/LtVkOtwlG5w
>>738234004Series icons are pretty arbitrary when it comes to Mario. DK makes sense, DKC is pretty well distinguished from Mario even if they still intersect, but Wario is still predominantly a Mario character. Yoshi has his own adventures like Wario, but he's also still predominantly a Mario character, even more than Wario is. At what point do we change Luigi's emblem to an L, or Peach's to a crown? They have their own games, too.
>>738227667You need good games to get that kind of bad slop to counterbalance, and Kirby has no good games kek.
>>738227269It's going to be a Gen 10 mon, Meowscarada missed the bus
>>738234315>it took the super mariachi ESLs 3 hours to come up with thisHoly fuck lol. Keep eating up your full-price roms, golem
>>738232417We can either finish our backlogs, play romhacks/mods, or try other new games we haven’t tried yet.
>>738234426>play romhacks/modsI don't really seeing anyone talking about them here but OoT romhacks are actually insane. Even compared to sm64 ones.
>>738232634Speaking of NSO, we’re either in for hidden gems or slop for May. April was completely wasted. Just give me the damn Mario Parties already.
>>738234538i feel like i missed out hard on these because i only played mario party 7 and none of the other onesi've only ever played singleplayer too
>>738233451Lip
>>738231259I feel the multiplayer for KIU was testing out a new smash spinoff possibility
>>738233614>Nintendo barely makes good characters anymore.Nintendo hasn’t had another big hit IP on the same level of Splatoon. I’m shocked they gave it a second chance on Switch after the Wii U failure.
>>738210370The original 12 will be reworked from scratch so they don't feel so obsolete and Meowscarada is coming as one, if not the first, newcomer. A reboot.
>>738233854>She may even get a spot in the Mario spinoffs.K. Rool might not have been in since Mario Sluggers but at least he got his big break in Bananza.
>>738232558I dont give a fuck about whats relevant or popular, give me old and obscure nintendie niggas
>>738233989Perhaps this Smash 99 chart someone made here made a while back will help.
>>738234975if anything this just helps illustrate how since the gamecube era there's been kind of a drought of good new IP from nintendo
>>738234734Splatoon 1 was a bug success though, it sold almost 5 million copies, that's more than 1 in 3 Wii U owners. For comparison, no single Metroid, Fire Emblem, or Xenoblade game has ever sold that much.
>>738234136This. I love Priich as a design, but Syrup was always the bad bitch and i think she was literally intended to be set up as anti-peach by the Wario Land devs.>Peach/Syrup>Princess/Captain >Toads/pirates Plus she literally steals a statue of the princess.
>>738232736>no PS AllStars
>>738210564>"leaker" says we will get a new smash in the next year or twoFucking duh. You mean to tell me we might get Smash Bros within the first three years of a new console????
>>738233614Oh yes, I'd love to see Captain Syrup making a comeback. >>738234975>IsaacWould love to see him, Felix or Saturos too.
>>738235113so dog shit it wasn't even on the tier template
>>738210795sable able...
