>Ubislop with towers, markers, yellow paint, and a fucking Gatcha vTuber phone bitch guiding you worse than Navi
>"great gameplay"
Fuck no. The DE-make series is irredeemable shit, through and through.

>>738215234
>>everything else is an embarrassing mess
Graphics are great. Music is great. Story and character writing is great. Sidequests are fun and varied, its great to battle summons as well.

>>738215234
and yet I will continue purchasing it because otherwise the gacha cancer wins

>>738215234
I want to play these but the open world sloppa content is turning me off. Maybe I should just do the main story. All the side shit looks boring.

>>738215234
Playing the switch version of FF7R and I’m at the part in Aertith’s village, bored to tears. Every 5 minutes of gameplay I have to go to the home menu and browse /v/ or twitter to stop myself from falling asleep.

>>738216417
Anything you weren't a fan of?

It was funny to see both devs and players think an industry phenomenon from 1997 could simply be replicated; just like that.

>>738215234
The minigames are way better then FF7s minigames ever were at least

>>738216735
That's probably the slowest part of the game since Cloud is just helping Aerith babysit. I'd rush through it to get to the next fight faster. There are a lot of fun bosses and generally good combat. If you don't like those, you might as well stop playing.

>>738216838
for some people just seeing the characters again is enough. that's what the devs were counting on. you can put jpegs of characters people like in gacha or on magic cards and they sell. the "game" being shit doesn't matter. see character = like it = buy it

but anyone who wants more than that will be left disappointed

i cant get into rebirth. ive tried like 3 times.
I like remake i 100% it on ps5

>>738216735
If you aren't enjoying the combat then you might as well drop it, it's just gonna be more of that and more cutscenes for the rest of the game.

>>738217058
Anything about the game you're not keen on?

>>738216735
>. Every 5 minutes of gameplay I have to go to the home menu and browse /v/ or twitter
Holy raped dopamine zoomzoom

>>738217119
What makes it hard to get into, out of curiosity?
For me it's basically Remake again but with the combat improved and with open zones added to hang out with the party in if you feel like it

>>738217216
He probably just doesnt like open world activities in general.

>>738217350
I usually don't but I like them when it's an FF7 game. I also don't usually like linear games like remake but strangely I liked that one too. Do you find that odd?

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>>738217350
this. ill probably try again when part 3 is near

>>738215234
>everything else is an embarrassing mess
Nah. It's pretty good in general. Stay mad.

>>738217519
But you're the one who's angry about anyone not liking it

>>738217146
Aerith wasn't very fun to control and was better in the backseat while everyone else fights. I liked the rest of the cast. I guess the time jannies and Sephiroth wank are ill-advised, too, but it's entertaining and stops the plot from being an exact copy of something I've already seen.

>>738216649
A lot of the side content in Rebirth is just there to give you an excuse to run around and enjoy the scenery. Stuff like towers and lifesprings basically only exist to point you towards the "real" content and make the world feel like it has more going on than it really does.
I recommend at least doing the fiend intels, since those are just fun combat challenges, and the protorelics since they eventually lead to some fun, challenging fights. Oh and do the summon battles as soon as they become available, they're way more fun at max difficulty with your party's level as low as possible.
In Remake you can pretty much ignore the sidequests after chapter 3 if you want, though some of them have decent fights.

>>738216417
>Story and character writing is great.
good joke.

>>738215234
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Great combat, shit everything else.

>>738215234
Absolutely raped by Metaphor

>>738217626
Something different is always better than sitting through the same thing more than once, even if it's bad.

>>738217478
Not really, everyone likes what they like
Curious what specifically you enjoy about them, though
I'm willing to put up with the open world nontent in Rebirth and the forced walking slop in Remake because I just enjoy the combat that much
If Return makes it possible to cut out all down time between moving your character and fighting it'll be top 3 for me

>>738217750
>listening to a compilation of random fart noises is better than listening to a masterful symphony for a second time.
How retarded do you have to be to have this opinion?

>>738217885
Don't worry, whatever Return does or doesn't do, we're going to like it. I might even put it in my top 3 now.

>>738217750
I probably have a more negative opinion on remakes than most, but I still think they were right to do something new with these characters. Whether the new story is as good has yet to be seen, but I enjoyed what's there so far.

>>738215234
i dont like the ubisoft style checklist of homework open world design but every else i enjoyed
unfortunately that is the majority of the game

>>738216649
you're free to beeline the main story and ignore everything else but I recommend you at least do the green companion quests they're not that bad

>>738217626
>>738217750
It's nice to know that EXPECTATION SUBVERSION still has fans. Another three decades of all media being remade once again? Can't wait.

>>738218090
>they're not that bad
they are not bad, per se. People just bitch about the towers.

>>738218071
>Whether the new story is as good has yet to be seen
No it's already been seen that it's complete garbage. Nobody asked for multiverse timeline BS in FF7 and the fags defending it are just borderline subhumans who will mindlessly praise anything Square Enix does. These are the same people who think FFXVI is good.

>>738218164
People would bitch at SE no matter what they do. But people like you and me will like and defend them no matter what they do. It sucks that there are so many whiners, but at least there's balance with real fans.

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>>738218164
>they are not bad, per se
ahem

>>738218276
>People would bitch at SE no matter what they do
except that's wrong. People wouldn't bitch at Square if they made a genuinely great game. People keep bitching at them because Square Enix at this point is basically the video game equivalent of Sideshow Bob repeatedly stepping on rakes.

>>738218517
>sidequests is a tower
lmao

I refuse to criticize SE for putting shit content in these games. The blame is entirely on the player who should know not to play the side content. You will ALWAYS see me posting multiple times in these threads to make clear it's the players fault and not SEs.

>>738215234
Minigames are the best part of this game
Non gamers need not reply

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>>738215234
That's the Tetsuya Nomura special.

>>738218517
kek that one was funny

>>738215552
>Ubislop with towers, markers, yellow paint, and a fucking Gatcha vTuber phone bitch guiding you worse than Navi

All of this is correct, and yet none of this has anything to do with the actual gameplay. It's all completely irrelevant because the gameplay in an action RPG is the combat. What you're doing is like saying a racing game has bad gameplay because the car select menu is bad.

>>738218237
>in FF7
This is an example of someone absolutely in love with remakes. He genuinely thinks FF7R is the same game as one he played almost 30 years ago, and even the slightest change from that makes him upset. The idea that a new story can be more interesting than a one-to-one copy of something he's already seen makes his head spin.

I ragequit Remake in the train graveyard because I was so fucking sick of all the boring filler. I wanna give it another chance because the combat is fun but I know I'm gonna get sick of the filler and the dumb story changes again.

>>738218858
It was, but dragging the stupid slow-ass chicken 5 meters at a time wasn't

>>738218678
It is more than fair to play a side quest in Rebirth or FF16 or whatever and be annoyed at the game for having a shitty side quest. They should be better. The player does deserve some blame if they repeatedly did side quests after getting the sense they would mostly suck or take too long. If the main quest so far has been way better than all the optional shit, skip all the optional shit and get to the part you like.

>>738218678
The games have mandatory built-in filler, though.

>>738219001
Why do you pretend to love new experiences while also still wanting more FF7 games? You want to see Cloud and the gang go on an FF7 adventure in FF7 world with FF7 weapons and locations and monsters then go online and pretend you're surounded by nostalgia addicts and the one guy looking for something NEW. I won't even bother asking what you thought of E33, Metaphor or XVI. Actually new things that you have nothing good to say about.

>>738219001
>The idea that a new story can be more interesting than a one-to-one copy of something he's already seen makes his head spin.
No it certainly can be. But the question is, is it better or worse? And it's clearly significantly worse. The idea that just because something is different, that it's automatically good or better than the original story is extremely retarded. If you want a new story that's not FF7 then the only reason to use the FF7 setting and characters is cynical nostalgiabait, if you want to change FF7's story to fix plot holes or improve some things then fine but injecting multiverse garbage into an existing story is just ass and anybody who defends it is arguably too retarded to be considered a full human being.

>>738219473
I can't argue that it's better, so I'll just repeatedly claim you hate anything that's different, even when you explicitly state you're ok with change. I have my strawman argument and I'm sticking to it.

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>>738219001
I'm fine with changes. In fact I wish they were braver. Rebirth feels like they chickened out of doing anything new. I still want the changes to be good, not bad. There were great changes, small ones. But the big ones like the jannies are shit. Your strawman is weak and you've been using it since day ne.

>>738219613
"Prime Mode", a weapon ability from Rebirth seems to be the closest to that.

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>>738215552
Remake was far better being a linear experience with none of the open world bullshit. I wish they just kept that for Rebirth and whatever Part III is called.
It still could've been so much worse and somehow Remake/Rebirth are still two of the best games of the last decade.

>>738219758
>There were great changes, small ones.
I like that the GI created the black materia because it never really made sense why the Cetra would have made it, but we really didn't need that whole village segment. They could have just explained it in a cutscene or something.

>>738218678
Kek

>>738219473
It's automatically more interesting because you don't know what's going to happen next. It isn't automatically better. The remakes are a bit convoluted, especially the first one where a lot of the time it's about Avalanche vs Shinra but sometimes it's about time travelling ghosts and sometimes it's about Sephiroth. I still enjoyed the story the whole way through because I was interested in the cast and seeing what they'd do next. There are plenty of games, even FF16 for a pretty close example, where the story just wasn't nearly as compelling. It just isn't complete dogshit just because it's not absolutely flawless. If these were book, I'd say just go read the original. The remakes are fun video games worth playing, and the story isn't like Kingdom Hearts 2 or something where you wish there was none.

>>738220089
>I like that the GI created the black materia
Wasn't that the entire point of cosmo canyon underground in the original? It was extremely brief but I still remember someone mentioning it down there.

>>738215234
SoP was better. I couldn't make it 5 hours into these cringe games.

>>738220334
SoP is the best FF game ever made. I wish they made a full game with that system instead of just some short spinoff. Fuck XV, fuck XVI, and especially fuck VII Remake.

>>738220168
>It's automatically more interesting because you don't know what's going to happen next. It isn't automatically better.
it's not automatically more interesting if i don't care what happens next because they've already ruined any potential for the story to actually be good. Instead I'm less interested because instead of getting a faithful adaptation of the original i'm just going to get more retarded compilation shit and multiverse crap. I already know what's going to happen. They're going to keep the basic beats of the story while ruining every potentially impactful scene with time jannies and multiverse shit because that's what they've done for the past 2 games.

>>738220334
SoP is great because it wasn't made by SE.

>>738220168
>It's automatically more interesting because you don't know what's going to happen next
Braindead take.
Also rebirth was 90% the same shit so you must have been really bored, huh?
No of course not. Even though you pretend its boring to see the same story you wont actually complain about the parts that are the same, will you?
Or are you going to tell me you were bored every time the story wasnt doing something different?
And if not, it means your whole reasoning is wrong

>>738220272
>Wasn't that the entire point of cosmo canyon underground in the original?
The GI were there as part of Nanaki's backstory but they weren't related to the black materia. Instead it was assumed to be created by the Cetra like the white materia but it begged the question of why the Cetra would ever make something with the sole purpose of destroying the world.

>>738218992
>All of this is correct, and yet none of this has anything to do with the actual gameplay
ALL of that is part of the GAMEPLAY, you fucking underage piece of shit.

>b-b-but muh COMBAT!!
Is only a tiny PART of gameplay.
when will you faggots get this into your thick skulls??

>>738220053
>somehow Remake/Rebirth are still two of the best games of the last decade
Not even top-50 worth slop, my nigger.
Expedition 33 mogged them.
Persona 5 absolutely mogged them.
Nier Automata unironically is the best thing Squeernix has released in TWO decades.
Death Stranding 1-2 embarrass the hell out of this shit.
Deep Rock Galactic, Yakuza 0, Replicant HD, Sekiro, and many others also block your path

>>738222552
>Expedition 33 mogged them.
not with that dodge-slop combat, terrible combat balance and terrible act 3
>Persona 5 absolutely mogged them.
Not with that bloat persona inventory, terrible themes and story telling, cellphone conversations bloat
>Nier Automata unironically is the best thing Squeernix has released in TWO decades.
Not witht that terrible combat and lackluster sidequests.
>Death Stranding 1-2 embarrass the hell out of this shit.
Not even the same genre.
>Deep Rock Galactic, Yakuza 0, Replicant HD, Sekiro, and many others also block your path
Deep rock sounds like indie slop. Yakuza 0 is not even the same genre. Replicant HD is just nier slop.
Sekiro is god tier though, the combat while different from remake/rebirth is one of the best ever.

>>738220603
>Also rebirth was 90% the same shit so you must have been really bored, huh?
A little bit. I wanted to keep watching because I wanted to see more of those characters after Remake and now Rebirth. Seeing an event from FF7 wasn't very compelling the second time.