You draw your own maps, right?
le millenom girl
>painting under doors
I leave automap on
>>738220604It's better to have the option to draw than it is to have to step on every single tile to autistically fill out your map like in Strange Journey or I assume every other DRPG
>>738220604yes but i was messing up the stairs at first i was used to other games you go right on top of them
>>738220857I guided my friend though the start of EO3 and I was waiting with bated breath to see how he was gonna do the doors. He did them the right way but without painting under them, but later changed his mind and started painting them.
>>738221664Yeah but you have to step on every tile anyway in the end because tiles you draw without stepping on aren't considered fully navigated so you can't see FOEs that are moving on those tiles.
>>738220604Yes I even play dungeon crawlers where I have to do it on paperFuck Millennium Girl though that game sucked
>>738220604Of course I do, and that's why this series is basically dead anyway even if they release another game. In fact, I will be mad if they release another Etrian Odyssey game since it won't be the same with automapping.
>game HEAVILY punishes you for actually experimenting and trying different team comps and how you spec your stats>most of the games are extremely poorly balanced and you can brick your team easily >if you want to respec you need to spend hours and hours grinding back the levelsIs this good design?
>>738222312Yes>"uhm ackshully im entitled to not face the consequences of my choices"Go play a different game
>>738222376>you should have magically known that infliction skills are totally useless and barely works on bossesok
>>738222312Just play the 3DS games. Point 2 and 3 are false there.
>>738222407See >>738222376
>>738222407>infliction skills are totally useless and barely works on bossesWhat are you even talking about?
>>738222601In the first game for example the dark hunters poison skill only has around 10% chance to inflict poison on bosses, even when maxed out. And stats like LUCK doesn't change the %
Drawing maps is my favorite thing in EO
>>738222601They've at least played EO1 and EO3, where they're right, ailments and binds are pretty shit against bosses. No, Kraken does not count.
>>738220604I visit every corner of the dungeon multiple times until I have a general idea where I am and where to go
I want to play the Nexus game, but I lost my 3DS some years ago....
>>738223091Then find it dumbass! lost my dsi with Strange Journey long ago.
>>738222982ailments are good in 3
>>738223182Nah, my 4 man party with a Ninja and Wildling fucking sucked.
poison is overpowered as fuck in etrian odyssey 1, it just kills every foe for youthe toxins skill however its bugged and doesnt do shit though
>>738220604ricky's flat chest
>>738223267But then you have to rest for 10 levels in the post-game because Poison sucks there, and then you consider that you can just Thor everything anyway...
>>738223246>meme party was bad, so that means ailments are bad
>>738223535That part I was kidding about, of course. Ailments aren't that good because you're basically immortal in EO3 between Protect Order and Hoplite. I will concede that you can make parties without Hoplite that would like them, though I also wouldn't suggest that to most people.
>>738220604meme girl
>>738220604I forgot auto mapping was an option
>>738223653Fair enough. It probably is more consistent to ignore them since your other options are also strong.
>>738223406its just 10 levels for one guy, shouldnt be that bad
>>738223906I will say it's very fun to use such a powerful Poison even with the downsides. It's that kind of shit that got me hooked on this series.
>>738220604le millenom girl
more games should have it
>dont draw maps>turn off automap>navigate by vibes
>>738220857Did that for the first game. Didn't even make it through the first stratum of the second before ditching that habit.
>>738220604It's my role as cartographer of the guild.I draw the map, my party protects me.
I hope the next Siralim game goes full EO dungeon crawler.
>>738227352BUNY
Should I use a Princess or Monk for 3?Also I know Gladiator is good because of Berserker Vow/Charge but is it better to start as one or have it as a subclass?
>>738227639princess becuz buffs are always good
>>738227639I saw what you did
>>738227617
>>738227352I designate one guy on my team as "me" but usually another etriam is the cartographer. Granted I headcanon them as being better at fighting than map building to explain why all my maps suck
thickest thighs in the franchise
>>7382284564?
>>738228515yes
>>738220857And how do I know which ones are closed? faggot
>>738220857
>>738222982I literally steamrolled 2 with fang, ronin, hexer. Infinite TP and enemy could do jackshit.
>>738229057>3-man party in EO2Basado
>>738220853Only UNCgawds will get this.
>>738229248there were gunner and paladin too but they barely did anything. I guess there's a reason why hexer and ronin were both locked class in 1.
>>738220604automap and that's it
>>738229536>I guess there's a reason why hexer and ronin were both locked class in 1.They were both too niche and specialized (and trash) in 1.Especially with how the ailment system and stances worked in it and how late you got them.
>>738220853kek came here to post this
so ailments are good on eo2? im not close to finishing 1 but id be nice to know
>>738231506starting at around upper part of stratum 2 I can shut down any wild encounter and even some FOE. I don't even need to go back to town either because fang supplied infinite TP to the party.
>>738231506Extremely. Hexer is the best class in the game.They're not doing much in the first stratum due to how the game scales but starting floor 7 they start winning every random encounter on their own.
>play eo3 >choose to work together with the humans>so the last boss is the abyss king>he just one-shots any party member with a buff>meaning my princess is totally useless and can't do anything
>>738231506Depends but they're mostly a crapshoot against bosses and FOEs.
I'm playing EO3 and I made up this story that 9 (nine) of the characters in my guild are all the children of the Protector from EO1. He didn't show up in EO2 because he was busy having sex with his four wives and using his vast fortune to become a king who eats dragon steak every day. Also my Buccaneer is just the schizophrenic blonde Dark Hunter I had in EO2. She's a christmas cake because she hasn't met a guy willing to put up with her split personalities. And of course I treat my farmer Alice like she's Alice from Black Souls, so it makes perfect sense to have multiple copies of her. She's the designated map drawer.When I'm done with EO3 I'll draw some stuff.
>>738220604I was just drawing a bunch for Demon Lord Reincarnation, but I gave up on the game because the combat is rancid dogshit
>>738220604I've tried before for games that didn't have any online.The only thing that came of it was a conviction that I should never, ever, fucking ever try drawing maps again.
Yes
>>738220895do you let your mom pick clothes for you every morning too?
>>738222312yes
>>738220853Kek. And Untold 2 was the superior game.
>>738222312you didn't play the game
dicky ricky
>>738231506Evil eye, suicideAura, kill yourself
>>738220853Le thousand year whore
>>738236035untolds are bad
>>738220604>Walk three steps>Oh shit a turn!>Open menu>Open map>Draw 8 walls>Turn and walk two more steps>Random encounter!>Autoattack it to death>Gain 5 exp, 200 more to next level>Walk three steps...How do people play this shit?
>needing a mapJust memorize the layout brainlet, you're the reason why we need yellow paint nowadays
>>738222407suicide is absolutely op in the first two games, frankly it makes them too easy
>>738239579>open menu>open mapyou didn't play the game correctly
3 beasts with auto protect is strong
>>7382276395 androids, rocket jump first turn
>>738223182also 1 2 4 and 5
>>738239720beaststacking is fun
i had a dream there was a etrian odyssey gacha
>>738239910I did gunner hexer backline for accuracy up evade down rampage
>>738240017Why
>>738240094the gacha is for various map painting tools
>>738240136Yikes
>>738240136YOOOO, I JUST PULLED THE 5 STAR MS PAINT, LET'S GOOOO
>>738240017>gachanot games
>>738227639>Also I know Gladiator is good because of Berserker Vow/Charge but is it better to start as one or have it as a subclass?this depends on what the other class is and what skills you're actually attacking with after charging up
>>738227639Arbalist main Glad sub front mortar
If Etrian Odyssey is so good, why hasn't there been a new game since the 3DS era?
>>738240136>Colors are SSR>Alternate Icons SR>Chests and some universal icon for interacting is R>Doors, green floor and stairs are uncommon>The actual walls are common>You need a separate copy for each time you use it on your map in that floorI hate that I can envision it
>>738222407>he doesn't read game guides beforehandngmi
>>738240353People are too stupid so it's too hard for them, see the guy complaining that the game with the strongest ailments in the entire series has weak ailments.
>>738240353they're all the same game you had more than enough
>>738240373would legitimately just encourage you to draw your own map on a piece of graph paper
>>738240353Atlus knows they can't top Nexus
>>738240625do people actually just have graph paper laying around their house?
>>738240625True or someone will make a program to do it on a side screen. Actually let me amend that>Floor warping is available but only if you map 80% of that floor>Its all a single dungeon
>>738222312wtf do you mean?EO is highly customizable and a lot of team styles can work and even beat the entire game with.A full squad of Medics is completely feasible, for example.
>>738240665Nexus sucked because of the awful class choices though. Like how the fuck do you have 19 classes but only one dedicated tank? where the fuck is my Dragoon?
>>738240691yes, although it's just a leftover notebook from when I took math classes in college 9 years ago
>>738235915nice map anon-kun
>>738220853>couldn't even get it rightle milenom gril
>>7382406655 is top, but I do like it
>>738240739I thought I heard a rumour that the class choices were all just the most popular classes in the series and accounting for each game getting at least one rep
>>738240739This is a problem with most RPGs, they give you 40 melee DD classes + Black Mage, tank only has Paladin, and your only healer is White Mage
>>738240739You forgot hero.
>>738240739why the fuck do you need more than one tank?their job is to be a blob of HP that helps the rest of the squad surviveone is fine, don't be a bitch
>>738240812crazy if true, that means Harbinger beat out Dragoon and Necromancer.
is Etrian Odyssey HD any good on PC or should I play the older games? Not really sure what the play order for this series is.
>>738240739>Nexus sucked because it didn't have my favorite classgreat argument you got there
>>738240894play whatever EO appeals to you the most, though EO4 and EOU2 are popular picks for 1st timers.Though I recommend at least getting 2 games at once, going through one can drain you of your motivation, it's good to have a second one at the ready as a change of pace, it also helps to have a completely different team style to make hopping between the two more interesting.
>>738240854retardbro... it's not about having more than one tank, its about having more than one option for who your tank is.
>>738241009untolds are shit shut up
>>738240854only having one option for a tank is boring>why do you need more than one DPS option? Their job is just to deal damage>why do you need more than one healer option? Their job is just to heal damage>>738240989correct
Which one should I play if I only plan to play one of them ever
>>738241012Look at the Hero shield skills again, plus the decoy images that just work.
>>738240989but Nexus did have my favorite class? nice try though.
>>738241091that's a stickwoman
>>7382410685
>>738241087hero isn't a tank class, it's a "OP at everything" class, made for people who don't want to actually enjoy the gameplay, just check the game off as one they can say they've beaten.
>>738241109you mean a STICC woman.
>>738241143It is if you pick the tank skills.
>>738240665Nexus' problem was like five fucking forest dungeons AND all the Shrines also count as forest dungeons, who the fuck signed off on that shitalso that the sub dungeons were just extensions of a main dungeon rather than cool offshoots of other placesalso the final dungeon having just a boring choir remix of the main shrine theme and just being more "shrine but inside" when they should've gone balls to the wall with the roots of Yggdrasil and then the postgame is that but purple(with good music tho)I still personally hold that the games are all separate continuities despite the nonsense going on in Nexus, because how the fuck did Maginia or places like Armoroad with far superior sailing tech and reach not cause the stories of multiple Yggdrasils to be established fact? Makes zero sense that a literal flying city wouldn't have already visited the various World Trees considering they at the start of Nexus only recently found LemuriaHall of Darkness still has the best postgame dungeon ambiance/feel of all the EOs imo - especially if you hit it at night your first visitlol muskoid ambush
>>738240856Probably didn't but also drag and necro would have a rough time without the dedicated summon slots. Although I guess drag would be less affected
I felt like the novelty of Nexus' nostalgia trip wore out really quickly and I always dipped before even finishing isle of solitude. Its been 6~7 years since I played these games so I should try Nexus again and hope I don't bounce off it this time
>>738241203is Necro without being able to abuse Zombie Powder or Tombstone Vice REALLY Necro.....................
>>738241068If you want a game to through that isn't too hard, 4. Otherwise EO 2 Untold has the most content outside of Nexus (which is like a series finale that's too long to be enjoyable)
>>738241295shut up fag
>>738241181hot
>>738241235Fierce shield grave wraith dance, just run 3.
>>738241310*kisses you on the lips*
>>738241402*rests u repeatedly until ur level 1*
>>738241068I played 4 first (good for beginners, still challenging).
>>738241143>OP at everything>can't solo the game
>>738241295>too long to be enjoyable Literally the most normalgod take you can have on /v/. I'd rather you just be honest and brag about how much sex you get.
>>738241443>implying he can't. clones/afterimages don't make it not count as a solo run anon.
>>738241514They literally described the game as having so much mapping you'd get sick of it when they first announced it retard
>>738241557show me a solo hero Bloat clear then
>pick newgame +>carry over my mapsmapping?
>>738240856Pug was a strong class and harbinger is edgy cool so neither of those surprise me as being favorites. But I also assume for story reasons they were only picking from the 4 human classes.
>>738223182>Use ailment on boss>Boss is immune to it for the rest of the fight?
>>738241685>lockdown the boss>the rest of the fight is it never getting a turn then it dies
>>738241685why isn't the boss dead yet?
Wizardry 7 lowkey mogs
>>738241685skill issue, My Lion has no trouble landing multiple stuns in a fight.
>>738241730fr nocap
Are the Switch versions of 1-3 any good?I've played;4 (Loved it)Super Mystery Dungeon (pretty good)
>>738241728because of hp bloat
>>738241685>boss uses an ailment on my yggdroid>I'm immune to it for the rest of the fight
I thought everyone pointed to this series as an example of a game where ailments actually worked on bosses?
>>738241845>>738240306
>>738241882>forced classgreat game
>>738240739>>738240813protector and medic in nexus stole like every single good move from other tank classes in the series so I can see why they'd have a hard time coming up with stuff, with that said princess is a tank class, it wears heavy armor and the end result of 80% of it's kit is "the party is less likely to die this turn"
>>738241836>Switch versionyou'll have to deal with unmoddable godawful fontalso I hear it's awkward to map to the point just letting automap do it all is preferable1 was rebalanced considerably, I enjoy the jank of the OG so that was meh for me(however you do get far more icons on the map so shit like Claret Hollows can be mapped correctly instead of lolfuckyou)
>>738241871They do. In most of the games I can count on hitting a specific non-immune non-weakness bind or ailment on a boss at least twice per fight on teams not specifically built to do those binds/ailments. You can be even more consistent with proper gear/skills depending on the game but Its just that you need something else to turn it from heavy advantage into I win.
>>738241972>also I hear it's awkwardCan someone who's actually played the games reply? Thanks.
>>738241871Suicide command, they don't get to attack you and they attack themself. And this is in the game people are complaining about ailments in.>>738241920That's just an example, try a solo ninja with Tagen Battou and you can basically one shot the last boss. There are tons of options.
>>738242009can someone who's not a gay fag post? Thanks.
>>738242051>can someone who's not a fag post?
>>738242051Why are you getting so upset?If you haven't played the game, you're just as uneducated as me.Why are the blind always so eager to try and lead the blind?
>>738240854Because by then this series had two distinct tank identities. One identity is based on mitigation and the other is based on redirecting damage. They gave Protector a bit of both but many people wanted something more like EO2U's Protector/Beast split.
>>738242967>UYou can't do the triple beast auto protect, they ruined it's main identity and I hate it and you.
>>738243054Nigga just spam the redirect skill. Same shit.
>>738243094>Just turn a passive into an active because idiots couldn't figure out how to make it work.You see when it's a passive skill, you can attack instead of wasting your turn.
>>738243221Yeah, it's real unfortunate they removed that.
>>738243263I don't see the funny part in dumbing down shit for idiots, unless the joke is supposed to be you.
>>738243313Fair enough anon, not everyone is smart enough to run three tanks with 0 DEF.
>>738243450>incorrect bullshitThanks for proving the point.
>tankYou know rampage is the best damage skill in that game.
>>738243741That's not Climax.
>>738243801Boss would be dead by the time you finish setting up.
>>738243836You're thinking of Ecstasy.
>>738243801>Completely useless on a ton of things>best>>738243874you win this one
>>738244047It's not "completely useless on a ton of things". Climax works on every single enemy in the game.
>>738244047>completely useless on a ton of thingsconfirmed doesn't know shit about Climax lol
>>738244047Also, I'll give you that I did misremember the Beast bug, it uses the DEF of the person they're defending for.
>>738244083not entirely true, Chimaera's immune to it of all things lol
>>738244158Huh, today I learned. I guess I just never had Climax for it to find out. Apparently Ur-Child is more susceptible to orgasm than Chimera.
>>738244083>>738244108>If the enemy is under the HP threshold, but is immune to instant death, the Dark Hunter only deals 100% melee STR-based Cut damage to them instead. Oh yeah it totally "works"
>>738244158>ChimaeraIt's not just one boss.
>>738244206Here are all the enemies that are immune to instant death:>2nd StratumMystue, random encounter>3rd StratumNastue, random encounter>4th StratumWrathbud, random encounter>5th StratumGigantue, random encounter>6th StratumMuckdile, boss>Quest enemySpectreSource: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/943642-etrian-odyssey-ii-heroes-of-lagaard/44017724According to this list Chimera is not immune to instant death, though I'll take that anon's word for it anyway.
>>738244337>the list is wrong but I'll trust it anywayk
>>738222950>What nameAnon has never used random name generators.
>>738244569coward
>>738239580People don't like drawing maps in Etrian Odyssey because they don't want to get lost, you fucking normalfag retard. It scratches an incredibly specific itch in our autistic brains better than anything.
>>738244206By itself Rampage actually will average out to Ricochet's average damage due to the accuracy penalty and RNG=Hit #, which is kinda funnyit's F U N but said RNG + the Loyalty self-nuke risk make it unstableassuming perfect RNG yes, it's the strongestassuming typical RNG Gunner will outdamage a Beast on averagenot to mention Salivall sucks and Riot Gun is god-tier(then again with the absolutely busted Nectalls does it really matter?)>>738244295didn't say it was just the oneit was just an amusing choice since it's the very first boss in the game
>>738220604For the DS/3ds games? Yeah. For the remasters? Fuck no. Mapping without a touch screen sucks, first time I ever enabled automap.
>>738244816Run Leaden and you won't miss.Loyalty is turned to a powerful bonus by running three beasts. Targets all have high defense or back row protection and the hits get spread evenly.
>>738244950this is why eo should stay dead
>>738222982Only 1 is hostile to ailments and even then Poison is great until the end of Stratum 2.
>>738220604Yep!
>>738244816Beast and Gunner both have suspect accuracy on their multihit moves in 2 and Rampage has a higher average modifier than Ricochet.>>738244047Climax works on a disproportionately large amount of enemies in EO2 including several FOEs. That along with Bait/Magibait/Ecstacy/Dominate gives DH so many strong skills that they're only beaten by Hexer.
>>738240989This but unironicallyI remember years ago seeing a Nexus mod that added the pirate class. Is the game completely forgotten or are there more custom classes by now? I still haven't touched it
>>738239412
>>738246772that's a vagina
>>738241143>Hero>OP at everythingLmao. Its skills are a frontloaded in terms of scaling but its definitely worse than Sovereign, Harbinger and Gunner at minimum. Then you also have shit like Ronin who get their best offensive move by Level 20 and Nightseekers who are worse than their EO4 version but are still OP.
>>738247261that's a map
>>738242009100% EO3 on it. Mapping's odd since I kept it opening entirely on the right side of the screen.You can draw with the touchscreen if you want (not suggested since it's not designed for extensive use without a cover) but otherwise fairly slow and cumbersome and uncomfortable since it's mainly done with the left joystick. I wound up going with automap. Worse is that mapping during battles is near impossible to enjoy because it's shrunk to a tiny screen in the corner while battles take up most of the full screen and you have to focus entirely on the mapping controls to make use of it when you enlarge the mapping screen + icons page.I still bought it for my stinky husbando regardless.
>>738247286a MAP even
>>738247261>>738247286>>738247389are these facts true?scientifically and biologically... it makes sense, plus if you saw what was spammed last year, some of them do seem to comfortably take them with no issuebut that means I, or we, have been literally lied to about this.
>>738240813Nexus has a pure tank in ProtectorThe dodge tank shit is awkwardly split between Survivalist and NinjaHero is an offtank because the shield moves passively reduces everyone's incoming damage while active.Its not that Nexus is lacking in "tanks", it just doesnt do the obvious here's the guard spam tank, here's the dedicated aggro redirection tank, here's the dodge tank/attacker and here's the off tank.The game is also fucking drowning in healers too. Even if you want to discount Sovereign, Arcanist and Harbinger, you still have Medic and War Magus.
>>738240894There's three starting points for EO:>EO1 (if you already like dungeon crawlers, are in this for the long-haul, and have some tolerance for jank balance and quest design)>EO3 (if you already like/are interested in dungeon crawlers, but don't wanna commit to a ton of games and also don't wanna emulate EO4 for whatever reason)>EO4 (de-factor best newcomer game, may be a bit on the easy side though, excluding the postgame dungeon - have to either emulate or secure a physical copy though)Avoid:>EO2 (never play this alone - not because of plot or anything, but because the entire design of the game is reactionary to EO1 in various questionable ways)>EON/X ("best-of" compilation essentially, best played after having a couple of other EO titles under your belt)EO5 is a 50/50. I'd err on the side of avoiding it as a new player, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if you did so.
>>738247653Meanwhile, pure elemental mages only have Zodiac. And no, not elemental "non-magical" classes.
>>738247707>have to either emulate or secure a physical copy though)Or play a rom on the 3DS. That's not emulation
>>738247745It is very hard to truly make those classes distinct from each other. The most you could have done was add Palm Alchemist from 2U, but that would compete for the front row and its barely enough skills to complete an entire skill tree by itself. So you'd end up stepping on Zodiac's toes majorly.
It's starting to feel like it's time to replay through Nexus again and then quit at the hero boss
>>738248165Do a solo run to mix things up. Ninja can even kill the super boss iirc, while I took highlander to post game before I got tired (it was my third run in quick succession after release).
>>738222312I beat EO3 including all superbosses with a team of five Farmers. Fucking apply yourself anon.
