Why do PC elitists, who have always criticized "consoles" for setting a hardware standard that developers have to optimize for, not apply the same logic to Steam's console?
>>738221290Why would they, when it's still a PC?
Because it's quite literally just a PC and doesn't fall under any of the normal console criticisms. It runs games well, it doesn't require a subscription service to use, it has M&K and gas access to the objective best game platform. You're welcome to offer criticism though.
>>738221290i'm not buying a steam machine thoughwhy are you making things up
>>738221290Because Steamies are retarded
>>738221290It isnt a console and we already have criticized it.
>>738221426You ignored the specific criticism mentioned in the OP.
>>738221290How many games were made for the Deck?
>>738221290Because it is not a console and not marketed as such.>But the hardware is weakThen don't buy. Buy another you'd like. Steam is not exclusive for either.
>>738221290=/=Consoles dictated how good or bad ALL versions of a game looked because Sony and M$ would get butthurt otherwise.Steam Machine / Valve don't care about games looking or playing "best" on SM, so they won't hobble developers or other versions.
>>738221549Because it's a retarded apples to oranges comparison. You can see the specs and know if you can run it or not. Consoles require devs to make the games run for them, the steam machine users will check to see if the games run or not. It's vastly different
>>738221290The issue isnt optimization. It is limiting because you won't take the time to optimize
>>738221705That's hairsplitting. A console is essentially nothing more than a standardized spec that developers feel confident targeting due to its ubiquity. That's what Valve is doing. The main criticism against consoles was always that it's "holding games back" from taking advantage of high end PC specs, but this does the same thing.
>>738221743In what way do "consoles require devs to make the games run for them"? In both cases, the devs willingly target the spec, because they want to target that platform's user base. There's no real difference.
Why are you a nigger?
>>738222310Whichever one of us can't apply logic consistently is the true nigger.
>>738221290valve is releasing fps stats with hardware, to make video devs accountable. steam machine will be the baseline minimum to surpass. it will function as the mid then the bottom and then help long term data sets.
>>738221290>dont have to pay to use your own internet>can install any software you want on it>isn't some shitty walled garden that's locked downRetard.
>>738222048no this doesn't hold back game it the mid floor and eventually the floor. it's an anchor to see where the games are going and if devs are pieces of shit that release optimized shit.This is just pc you can do what you want with it, it just has one spec similar spec.
Can this or the deck run EU5?
Having to "optimize for hardware" is a spook and has been basically totally irrelevant since the ps3/360.Valve printing off a million or so cubehavers to shit on publishers for making terrible dogshit that was designed under the assumption you're SLI-ing 2 5090 tis is a good thing.Fuck the modern AAA developer they deserve to suffer.
What's the ideal gaming device for me if I hate the Steam Machine, hate Valve, hate Half Life, hate FPS games, hate the Steam Deck, hate Gabe Newell, and hate PC gaming in general?
As a pc user i couldnt care less about consoles
>>738222668Wonderswan
>>738221290because ick on eck
Nonsensical AIjeet threed.>who have always criticized "consoles" for setting a hardware standard that developers have to optimize forNobody criticized them for that, Jew.>not apply the same logic to Steam's console?Because I can use any other PC, stupid AIjeet. Go take a walk on train tracks.
>>738222551So it's just a better console in those ways then? I appreciate that, but it always seemed to me that the main complaint against consoles was that they weren't as powerful as an expensive PC, and owners of those PCs would whine about games being optimized for those console specs. Now you like your console because you can twiddle around with it and install emulators or whatever I guess.
>>738221290What logic? The fact that 1 more brand of prebuilt PC exists doesn't change anything at all about the platform itself.
>>738222884You're calling me a Jew, but you're blatantly lying.
>>738222270Are you doing that thing liberals do where they pretend to be retarded so you can justify your non argument?
>>738222564>>738222649Can you elaborate on this?
>>738223107No.
>>738222048>A console is essentially nothing more than a standardized specNah, that kind of used to be the case but nowadays a console is nothing but a DRM box that exists to lock customers in the platform owner's ecosystem.>That's what Valve is doing.Kind of but it's mostly a secondary thing. What Valve is doing is attempting to push Linux as a desktop / gaming OS because whatever retarded shit MS does with Windows is a potentially life-threatening for their business. The hardware Valve makes exists as a vehicle to deliver Linux to people who play PC games, the fact that the specs are fixed is because it's much easier for them to support that on the Linux side, it's not because Valve want devs to have some particular spec to target.Even if they're very successful with this PC it will still ultimately only be a drop in the bucket among gaming PCs, it's not going to become some major standard spec for devs to aim for.
>>738223251So what's the appeal for people who traditionally hate consoles?
>>738223419I don't think there's any single major selling point to the Machine, it doesn't really have some sort of killer feature. I would guess people are interested for a variety of reasons like>an officially supported Linux gaming box, appealing for people who are curious and interested in Linux gaming from a tech point of view or who share Valve's concerns about what MS is doing to Windows>form factor, it's rather small and neat and ready-built, could be an appropriate choice for HTPC style use cases>hopes of decent value, in a PC market that's currently suffering from insane prices
>>738223145Basically a huge elephant in the room with game dev is practically speaking we've been at the point where you can make acceptable looking games of a reasonable scale for almost 20 years now and most of the system requirements of current games are bloated due to developer incompetence.This is technically a good thing, since it means the actual hardware spec to play everything good is fairly low, but it's also a bad thing since you know, going over what games we have now there's a fairly massive issue of competency with software development.
>>738222048After console faggots, the PC specs of the average gamer will always be the last thing that holds back graphics. Whether those poorfags are running custom builds, Dells, or even valve's gay little pre built doesn't matter.
>>738221426>doesn't require a subscription serviceAs far has we know, don’t forget. You own nothing when Valve sells you stuff.
>>738221290I have those socks
>>738223895Nah I'm pretty sure you own the hardware when they sell it to you. If I bought any hardware from Valve I can sell it off to other people, that's solid, pragmatic proof that I own any hardware they sell me.
>>738223895You are a great example of everyone talking about this topic. A total cave for a brain insufferable faggot with no redeeming opinion, wanting it to look as bad as your cuck station so you can have a response to why you spend 60 a year to play online
What games, specifically, are being optimized purely for the steam box?
>>738223419For me, it's infinite backwards compatibility, no online multiplayer sub fee, fangames access without needing to homebrew my platform, and ad free internet browsing. Additionally, anything I buy for it stays with me whether I wanna play it on my phone via GameNative or via my 'eck, and if I upgrade my PC I don't need to rebuy my games via a "Remastered" edition or a handheld port or anything like that, it'll just be there on any device I can play PC games on.
>>738221290It's closer to a PC than any console tho. But a criticism would be it still isn't a PC and so you will be stuck with what it is. What will the life scale be of it when hardware moves on because that is the problem with tech in a way, it ca soon become obsolete.
>>738221290This hasn't been an argument since the PS360, when consoles had shit memory and had to run from a slow ass optical drive.Current consoles are weaker than top of the line PCs of course, but there isn't much you can make that won't be able to scale to even an handheld. Especially when Jewvidia's goal is to shill for AI and RTX, which destroy framerate on top of the line hardware while making everything look like crap the moment you move the camera.
At least when they tried this the first time around the specs were close enough to top of the line so it had an excuse to exist. This thing has a 6 core CPU and 8GB GPU with less raw power than a PS5. It's gonna sell only to Valve cultists if it's priced at anything more than $600.
>>738221290Wait until you realize that PCs have hardware standards like x86 and ATX among many others.
>>738221290"Pc gamers" whom only ever knew the steam eco system, were never truly into the platform to begin with and are just displaced console players.
>>738224845What's the important distinction exactly?
>>738221290>made by a company that cares about every single one of their costumers>more powerful than a ps5 pro>has games>its controller is highly acclaimedWe only criticize the shitty consoles, not the good ones
>>738225395I mean Valve probably does give a shit about their customers, not on a personal basis, but were willing enough to give microsoft shit for what they pulled with the Master Chief Collection, and Sega for what they did with ManiaBut it's more that they don't have the implicit legal compulsion to not actively be assholes to their customers.
Obnoxious pcfags are mostly xbox fanboys who reluctantly moved to PC after Microsoft shat the bed with the Xbox One. Them gravitating to a overpriced underpowered Gabecube represents their desire to "return to the womb", their first game device and source of their childhood memories.Like pottery
>>738225395>more powerful than a ps5 proKek
have valve talked about changing the Cube's hardware at all?
>>738226096I think at one point there was a mention of maybe having it so you could put a laptop hard drive in it, but that probably got shelved since micro/sd cards are "good enough".
>>738224540Actually I think the biggest barrier to normies will be whether valve is willing to sell the steam machines in box retail and amazon where most normies will end up shopping. iirc they sold the OG steam controller through EB Games/Gamestop and best buy but regardless, forcing someone to make an account to buy a system on a website they are new to is a larger barrier to entry compared to going to a known store and getting the system and having to make an account AFTER the purchase
>>738225570>Valve probably does give a shit about their customersAmerican hours are sure clownish
>>738226238>He said, lopping off the part of the post that makes the implication in his look completely retarded like people can't read it
>>738226323>weeeehh valve is not like others, they are probably okay weeeeh
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>>738224346Developers will prioritize the machine>source is my dog.
