https://www.ign.com/articles/fallout-co-creator-says-some-players-watch-influencers-so-they-can-be-told-what-to-think-about-games>'They're Handed an Opinion' — Fallout Co-Creator Tim Cain Is Worried Some Players Watch Influencers Just So They Can Be Told What to Think About Games
>>738243228FagtricianTV comes to mind with his retrospective videos.
>>738243228it definitely killed discussion here at least
He looks like that guy who killed wildstar and accepted none of the responsibility as lead game designer
>>738243228>Tim Cain Is Worried Some Players Watch Influencers Just So They Can Be Told What to Think About GamesInfluencers like Tim Cain?
>>738243228He's right. I've seen the most retarded discussions on stuff because it was clear that neither the people in the comments nor the person making the video actually engaged with the media, and people were forming opinions based on the opinions of people that formed their opinions from other people, multiple steps removed from the source. And the same people that will call you media illiterate will just watch people they trust to give them the "right interpretation"
>>738243339Tim still works at Obsidian.
Even /v/ just parrot the metacritic score instead of playing
>>738243228Not reading that article. However.>man paid to write articles to influence opinions upset that youtubers do the same thing without the tens of thousand of dollars of debt he went through to earn a journalism degreeIncredible lack of self awareness on display.
It’s been like this for years
>>738243228We all knew this.
This guy is an old washed up faggot whose brain is rotting. Woke and Leftism is why games and people are shit now.
Is there a more bored group of gamers than wrpg fans? Playing a 7th playthrough of New Vegas or Kotor again. Youre all the fucking same. Listening to old fucks that hate thier creation and hate you because your not a faggot
right message, wrong messenger. They will say this while pushing the usual big corpo agendas that ruin every ounce of soul and immersion in their games.
>>738243228Good on Tim for calling out cattle vermin.
The general public is braindead so if people are telling them not to consume goyslop then that's a good thing
>>738243228That's been going on for a while, why do you think people rever inferior games of a series like Wizardry 7 or Ultima 7?
>>738243228One of his most recent videos he talks about how he finds it annoying that most video game characters are white brunette men and how he wants diversity in games.
>>738243228I can't stand this literal faggot.
>>738243534asmongoy regulary shills literaly subhuman Seamonkey tier chinese gatcha slop regularly to his audience because China is supposedly the living symbol of anti woke. It's such a fucking joke lmao.
>>738243370>appeal to authority
>co-creatorSo why does he think his opinions matter? Should we ask a janitor what he thinks next?
>>738243228Also imagine the demotivation of making a AAA game now, for the "Influencer audience", both the dogfaced corporately democratic ones, and the Asmongold troll crowd, versus making games for actual people back in the 2000s, sitting 4 people around a TV and playing Halo together, and then writing an e-mail to your company telling you they love your game.
>>738243228Herd mentality is nothing new. It's the whole reason why people keep saying OoT is the greatest game ever made to this day and everyone who says otherwise gets pushback.For more recent examples of the herd mentality effect, Soulslikes, newer Yakuza games, BG3 and E33 only got the reception they got because of sheep following what the big influencers were saying. It's also why people pretend to love indies and hate AAAs then buy the latest AAAs anyway.
>>738243569He's got a point. We need more white blond men.
oh look it's another instance of a dev crying that people are using reviews/critics/whatever to form an opinion instead of just handing over money unquestionably so they can "form their own opinion" the goal of this campaign is to make you think you have to spend money on garbage to have the right to call it garbage also, most people don't watch influences and adopt their beliefs about games, people watch influences whose beliefs about games match theirs so they can extrapolate their opinion to games they haven't playedbut obviously his opinion of gamers is low enough that he just can't bring himself to think of them as anything than mindless cattle
>>738243228Everyone on here been saying it for years, the term larper is mainstream now for a reason because more people see that there is more posers around trying so hard to fit in so they copy their e-celeb opinion.Tim Cain is right that the gaming industry listens to streamers, but he fails to see how his own opinion is also parroted by many.
>>738243623>>738243370He works at Obsidian? This means he's bad at his job, whatever it is, and you should probably not listen to a word he says
>>738243228>Posits himself as some gaming guru>His games have been complete flops for over 25 years>His most recent games are completely and utterly forgotten to the point where I bet most of you will have to look up what games they even are in order to list them here.Guy was good for his time, he should have just retired and been a consultant but he's ruined his reputation.
As opposed to before, when just advertisers told you what to think about a game.
>>738243743>Tim Cain is right that the gaming industry listens to streamers, but he fails to see how his own opinion is also parroted by many.You can tell he's undergone a steady assimilation into modern internet culture ever since he started using the "You're stating your opinion as fact" since one of his first videos.
We live in a Bradburian nightmare where nobody engages with the primary sources all the way from books to even video games and everyone has their knowledge and opinions mediated through pop culture, media figures, colloquialisms and memes.
>>738243395>man paid to write articles to influence opinionsWhy did you even bother typing up a reply without at least googling the man? Do you get off on public humiliation?
>>738243805And you fell for it, and you probably still think Ocarina of Time is the greatest game of all time.
>>738243569Did he wake up in a coma from 2012? The thing I hate the most about these "diversity oriented" people is how they deny to the point of absurdity how profound their influence has been in modern vidya development and cultureIf you asked one of those people they'd tell you that we still live in the 7th gen bald gruff action dude era where their work would still be considered in any way groundbreaking
>>738243228>Twitter grifter state obvious truth>people agree>this angers the bots.water is wet.
make a good game so all the influencers have to play it easy
>>738243623Wrong, dipshit, that was in response to some other mutant like you claiming he's an "influencer." You're so brain dead you can't even keep track of the shit you reply to.>>738243778>This means he's bad at his jobSo, you have no idea what you're talking about. Stop doing this to yourself.
>>738243879Because most video game developers were progressive even back in the 90s
>>738243228Yes influencers are shit, I don't need Tim Cain to tell me this, his advice is iffy, sometimes he's right sometimes he misses the point completely.
>>738243627I'm sure this sounded like an amazing argument in that snot between your ears.
>>738243838more specifically there's like 7 layers of mediation now. There was always mediation, that's how manipulation always happened, but now it's on a scale where it literally runs itself because of how much of a black hole it is. This extends to other spheres too, not just news. Modern comedy is multi layered irony. Modern fashion is built off of references and mashups. It harkens back to the saying that Evil can't create, it can only corrupt what was created or something. We are living in the times of the Fall of civilization.
>>738243228Can't count how many times I've heard people say "RE7 is good until the ship section", which is clearly some faggot youtubers opinion
>>738243832He says that and at the same time he says that we shouldnt take his word for truth that its only one side of the story.I personally stop listening to him on his opinion on a lot of stuff he says when he went to shill for the Fallout Show and described how he went to LA (for free) got special treatement and met all kind of people.His vids on his previous works and his level design philosophy are cool tho, I like also the little story and work around he made for exemple how and why we have followers in the first place in Fallout 1 or how Arcanum 2 would have turned out.
>>738243853I'm referring to the article author repeating the sentiment, not the fallout guy for saying it first. You must be desperate for some kind of internet argument win today.
>>738243228>OP getting his opinion from an influencerPottery
Why did the word "influencer" ever even become a desirable thing to be and be called? It has always rubbed me the wrong way
>>738243569Saw that and lost a lot of respect for him. He was answering a viewer question: "Why are developers making ugly characters in modern games" and he inferred that it was an emotional and irrational question. Felt like being gaslit. Weirder more dishonest dude than initially perceived.
>>738243879>"diversity oriented"Tim is a very gay man.
>>738243569>>738244274Outer Worlds 1, 2 and Avowed all had characters that presented unattractive characters and those games completely flopped.You'd think he'd reflective on what people want to see in games, attractive characters both male and female especially if people are asking him that question it means not to ignore and insult the person asking it.Which is why people like Tim Cain are seen now as out of touch.
>>738244360Outer Worlds 1 didn't completely flop, it sold well enough that it got a sequel. People were desperate for a Bethesda-esque RPG without all the jank and it kind of delivered on that front, with some severe limitations.
The eceleb's fanboys weren't going to buy Tim's game to begin with. They'd just donate more money to the eceleb hoping he'll say thank you and please donate more internet welfare to me even though i'm a millionaire *flings bloody booger on wall*
He's right but this only works when the influencers opinions are valid to begin with. Like Starfield for example. People were desperate for it to be a flop, influencers called it a flop, most people never played it and call it a flop. The reality? It's a flop, it's painfully mediocre. If it had been good, the attempts to paint it as a flop wouldn't have worked.
/v/ wholesale regurgitating synthetic cunt who regurgitates what he sees posting here. an ouroboros of vomit
He's absolutely correct Culture war fags need to kill themselves
>>738243228Yes but it's not limited to video game opinions, it's just all opinions. It's always been this way. The only difference is that we all lived through the time where games media was nascent and every other type of media predates us
What we usually see is people taking successful highly acclaimed and or popular games and claiming they are actually bad years after they had come out. Then they collect contrarian malcontents around them to promote this idea and sometimes it can reach the treshhold where now you are supposed to agree with it to gain some kind of acceptance within the group. Very common on 4chan.
>>738244487You lost btw
>>738243228Removing the ability to monetize youtube videos or social media in general would fix a lot of society's ills.
>>738244608Actually I won
>>738244487>calls Pokémon slop while calling Chinese gacha slop basedI can only image the massive amount of faggotry needed to make these videos unironically
>>738243228>magazine tells you game is good/bad>this is fine>youtuber tells you game is good/bad>this is not fine
>>738243228>go into thread about New Vegas>someone is saying how the game is shit>ask why he thinks that>proceeds to give a list of points>half the points are either complete bullshit or partial bullshit>point this out and ask if he’s played the game>he gets indignant and just start going on a tirade>every post shows that he hasn’t played the game and is just repeating shit he’s heard other people say>he finally gives up after an hour and spends the rest of the thread spamming tranny shitThis is a very persistent problem.
>>738244487These companies are ran by culture war fags, the latter wouldn't exist without the former.
>>738243228>'They're Handed an Opinion'Is that really what he worries about?Or is it that they are handed MORE THAN one opinion outside the usual,curated ,controlled and official avenue and that may end up having the unwanted effect of the ''wrong'' kind of opinion becoming the popular one instead of the one the devs would have wished for?Because i sure don't remember him or any of them voicing any concerns when gamejournos and their ilk were doing their thing and spinning their yarn about videogames handing out their opinions as if they was the word from God himself.
>>738244487>Culture war fagsSo you need to kill yourself for trying to push for culture war shit in games?
>>738244876NahKill yourself
>tfw say something I believe in>don't watch youtubergergfvcpost onrong
>>738243228this fag's muffins are pretty good
>>738244919Do you ever get tired of projecting so much?
>>738244875>>he finally gives up after an hour and spends the rest of the thread spamming tranny shitFabio spams tranny shit in New Vegas threads regardless of what people are talking about in the thread
>>738243228>Game is dogshit >Explain and show others why its dogshit >People avoid itThis is erm bad cause people didnt waste their money or something. Nigger is complaining about shit thats been a thing longer than hes been alive
>>738243952Obsidian is where talentless hacks who couldn't find decent jobs at decent game companies work. It's a dev studio incapable of putting out good games.
>>738244928Take your own advice'
>>738243228this faggot wanted to fire women because they were uncomfortable sharing toilet with a troon(man)
>>738244487Couldn't it be that these videos form around cultural consensus because the attitudes and beliefs they express are popular? Why do you think cultural backlash was solely produced by YouTube videos and not people on YouTube responding to that cultural backlash?
>>738244876You’re using logic on someone who purposely lives in a delusion to hide their own inability to deal with reality. They will never be able to actually explain how a dude pointing out a problem on YouTube is the same a a multi billion dollar propaganda machine that has the backing of various investment companies and government support are equally cancerous. He will just say “both sides” and call you a schizo and attempt to gaslight and lie if you point out the holes in his logic.
>>738244360The legend of Zelda always had unattractive NPCs in all kind of forms and shapes. It can be done.
fag is correct, you used to search "(game) review", now you're just subscribed to eceleb and the thumbnail is enough for you to know if its gud or bad
>>738245049sounds based, women shouldn’t be allowed to work of games
yeah, things were way better when people listened to corporate outlets and journalists instead
>>738244979>no uPathetic don’t use words you don’t understand.
>>738243228Why can't Tim and Leonard make good tpgsanymore? Outerworlds 1&2 sucked ass. They need to channel their inner troika and make some good rpgs again
>>738243228Yeah but Tim Caine also made The Outer Worlds.So he lost all relevance and you have to plaster his in the involvement of OG Fallout to make it look like he didn't lose the plot a long time ago.Remember that image where he used Path of Exile as a bad idea for RPG stat design or whatever?
>>738245153Troika games were full of problems, VTMB is a janky unfinished mess with terrible gameplay, the only thing it had going for it were vibes
>>738245153because most games are product of more than one person and he was just a code monkey in a company, also most people usually have 1 or 2 great ideas in their life
>>738245115Your first post was just a "no u" tho >738244919>y-you did it first Do you really think you can pull the wool over everyone's eyes when grifters like this are your cultural leaders?
>>738243228>He's right
>>738245247>most people usually have 1 or 2 great ideas in their lifeThis is the closest to the truthGaming evolves, game designers need to evolve with it or get left behindWatch Tim's videos and he still thinks about video games like it's the 90s
>>738245318How does this triangle system work because I have no idea what I'm looking at and what flipping the triangle is supposed to do
>>738243228The only reason we're talking about this is the fucking journo who wrote this piece of shit article and is buttmad that people are listening to popular youtubers instead of gaming journos like him.Tim is being used as a weapon here, otherwise he'd just be another youtuber/influencer with another opinion (irrelevant).But he's given a megaphone here by the journo fags who see it as a way to strike at their enemies.
>>738245404>How does this triangle system workIts like the dialogue system in Fallout 4
>>738243228> x forum killed da game!> 4chainz killed da game!> redditz killed da game!> twitter killed da game!Meanwhile actual good games get good sales and good rep after the release, no matter what the internet kwetching was
>>738245285>Your first post was just a "no u" thoNo it wasn’t it was pointing out that you were lying and when faced with that you just cried “no u” >Do you really think you can pull the wool over everyone's eyes when grifters like this are your cultural leadersYes some random retards on YouTube are definitely on par with multi-billion dollar corporations with the support of massive investment firms, governments, and have entire systems dedicated to pushing agendas. You fags are so pathetic, you go from trying to say how “grifters” are irrelevant and do not matter to saying they’re cultural leaders? What the fuck even is a cultural leader? Seriously this is some shit that only the most deluded retard would come up.
>>738243453But enough about you
>>738245410>Tim is being usedBirch pls.They had him at good morning.
>noooo you can't be an informed customer>noooo you can't trust influencers/steam reviews/whatever>only marketing and paid shill reviews allowed>actually, just buy our game and "form your own opinion">and remember, no refunds allowedI'm noticing a pattern lately.
>>738245442True enough, just as many games have become incredible successes from the same thing.
>>738245404idk
>>738245514It's not Weimar yet, but you can see it from here.
>>738245514>actually complaining about being asked to form your own opinionpeak NPC golem right here
Ever since the last of us 2 came out a bunch of /pol/ trannies migrated over and never left. They’ve become entrenched in hatred farming.
>>738243228>people don't think for themselves, they just let some guy on the internet tell them what to think!>said some guy on the internet
>>738243325too busy forming a petty grievance with other departments and autistically collating all of their conversations to actually work on the game, pls understand
>>738245570Purposely misconstruing what he said isn’t going to make anyone think that is what he actually said. It just makes you look like an ESL with shitty reading comprehension.
>>738245514Uuuum ''influencers'' are paid shills doebeiteverhow that is literally their only function
>>738245232All Tim's game worked like shit, Bethesda is a perfect company and their games gave no bugs, if you compare them to anything Tim worked on. I played Bethesda games to the end with no fix mods.you can't do that with interplay and Troika.
>>738245627that is what he said, aside from pretending refunds dont exist
>>738245491>n-no I wasn't projecting...>n-no u!!Okay Epstein's little puppy
Are you telling me that i cannot trust GaymerGooner6969 when he is being hyperbolic about a game on his youtube channel because he wants more views?
PoE is a good example of overcomplexity. The PoE skill web looks daunting and incredibly customizable at first glance, but actually is full of noobtraps and useless shit and there's very specific ways a player must build their character it's actually rigid if you try to have fun then Chris Wilson and Johnathan will PUNISH YOU.On the other side, his example of Fallout 4 being "too complex" is really confusing. Bethesda already dumbed Fallout mechanics down by a LOT--turn it any dumber and you'll just have an FPS but with a shitty base-building/crafting system attached.
>>738245635The maga manchild doesn’t leave the house or the engage in politics outside of video game discussions ironically
>>738243228As opposed to reading Kotaku and PC Gamer? The dinosaurs are just miffed they're irrelevant
>>738243228isn't his whole youtube channel concept exactly that? I only watched a few of his videos and all he did was thing this thing bad, this thing I used to do in the summer of 1997 good
>>738244837>completely misses the point out of sheer stupidity.It's about farming outrage by discussing shit you have not touched, and just parroting opinions from someone who is parroting others' opinions. You increasingly stupid fuck.
>>738245579Oh look the culture war troon has to post random bullshit to poison the well and make it seem like the issue is /pol/ instead of being that devs are inserting idpol bullshit. >inb4 but it was always like thatName five games prior to 2014 that had an overt message beyond the most generic egalitarian and or environmental shit and was actually some hyper niche cultural marxist bullshit. Saying “treat everyone fairly” is not the same as “everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist”
>Its not that the industry has spent the last decade systematically destroying every ounce of good will its... the youtubers.The most bizarre opinion I've ever seen. How do people like that even get out of bed in the morning? Like theyre not even talking about people like Anita, who got so much backing she got to speak at the UN, you're talking about nobodies on twitter and YouTube.
>>738243228I noticed this most recently here with that video about rockstar games being outdated. I was wondering why everyone was suddenly complaining about rockstar games being linear sequences of cutscenes and set pieces, and it turns out it was because of this youtube video with millions of views
>>738245514That's not even close to what's being said in the article.
>>738245318I prefer InXile's studio head approach of not dumbing things down and just assuming that his RPG player base is smart.
>>738243228>watch-influencers-so-they-can-be-told-what-to-think-about-gamesYep yep, I totally didnt understand this webm until an influencer explained it to me.
>>738243228He's not talking about those, he's talking about oxhorn and tk mantis and all the other bethesda cum slurpers
>>738245663>that is what he saidNo it’s not, in the context of what he is saying he is mocking Tim for trying to say people shouldn’t listen to influencers online but is a-okay with journos and other paid retards. And that forming your own opinion is only good in his book when it suits him. But you know that, you just can’t actually argue it so you had to create a strawman to cope.
>>738245514Are chuds really this fucking stupid
>>738245743That reply was very /pol/-coded
>>738245775got a link to that video?
>>738245793There's something to be said about that. Realistically, tiktok brained kids aren't going to be playing your niche RPG. It'll be people who want to play an RPG. So making your stat system "flip the triangle" doesn't help anybody get into the game, it actually makes it harder to understand, because your target audience is already used to a real RPG stat system. You're forcing players to learn something new but also making it dumber and less interesting, the worst of both worlds.
>>738245837in the context of what he's saying he's making forming out your own opinion to be some impossible task
>>738245786He gets his entire personality from youtubers that get their opinions from other youtubers who get their opinions from twitter users who get their opinions from screenshots of headlines with disparaging remarks added on top. If he could think for himself he'd simply not have posted.
>>738245635right wing ideology is brown third worlder coded
>>738243370so he's a failure not only as a game designer, but as an influencer too. sounds about right.
>Oh fuck, consumers are shitting on us on masse?>Clearly it is the heckin well poisoning influencers!!!Name one game killed by the "heckin chudiggas" what wasn't just a total piece of shit everyone could see
>>738245672>no counter to what was said >just repeats no u>epstein copeSo you know that you bullshit is being pushed by major corporations, can’t say how it’s the same as people calling it out, and have to cope and say some jewish pedo cabal is responsible for the way I think because I assume you saw that Epstein heard about moot the day before /pol/ was created and think that that somehow means that he made the whole board in one night and then put it up the next day and that it was not something that was already in the works. And that there was not a political board prior to it. Oh and let’s not forget that epstein was actually confirmed to push tranny shit and funded it. But I know you won’t be able to address any of this and just keep having a tantrum, so come now what’s your next cope? Double down on the epstein shit? More “no u” try to say you don’t care and that you were actually trolling? Cry to the jannies?
>>738245746Probably because Anita was a 500 subscriber nobody until chuds decided to sperg out and go on Epstein's warpath You Streisand'd the greatest enemy of your teenage years kek
>>738245847>doesn’t even deny anything >just continues to cry /pol/ to copePredictable
>>738246042>Erm Anita was a literal nobody—Literally never true, who are you trying to fool? The same "legitimate" influencers industry shills like Cain defend were propping her up from day one
>>738245889>in the context of what he's saying he's making forming out your own opinion to be some impossible taskNo I just explained what he was doing, and you can’t say how he’s not doing that and just have to try and double down on your shitty strawman, nowhere is it said or even implied making your own opinion is impossible.
>Jeffrey Epstein wants conservatives to win so he finances and allows a massive deluge of intersectional progressives to dictate the policy of major companies and cultural outputs for a decade so that unemployed chuds can shitpost online or somethingI thought conspiracy theories were supposed to make sense
>>738245635Voting for rich demagogue assholes because your room temperature IQ was easily fooled by promises of them making your enemies suffer didn't help.
>>738246135>they weren't a nobody, literal who tried to prop them up on youtube Lmaoooo fucking faggot
>>738245579>Ugh why don't chuds just shut up and consume product like me the bestest goy
The schizo is just gonna keep upvoting itself and sharing xhes folder, don't know why people bother responding to it
>>738246213>pretending to be retarded Baiting will never fill the void in your soul that accepting yourself and transitioning will
>>738243370He just returned to Obsidian dumbfuck.
>>738246264You haven't disproven anything he's said thoughbeit
>>738246248>I hate this product!!>let me spend my remaining youthful years dissecting and obsessing over itEpic gamer moment
>>738246163>culturally accepted and normalized to equate Right Wing opinions with Epstein IslandMaybe if you weren't all endlessly defending him and his best friends, that would change things?
let's be friends
>>738243228That and the simple fact that shit games generate shit reception. Doesn't matter how many good faith discussion pops up, if the game is shit, its shit.
>>738246163>mfao you're still trying your best to dispel that association despite knowing that it's become culturally acceptedSo instead of actually presenting evidence to back this up you need to just go with ad populum and random screencaps of posts here on twatter which is entirely bullshit because epstein according to the email in the files that mentions moot didn't know who he was in 03 or what the website was as a whole. > to equate Right Wing opinions with Epstein IslandNo you just started doing that when the files came out because you knew you couldnt deny it anymore, so now have to say that the people calling it out are all pedos and that the republican party encompasses the entire right wing to cope. Meanwhile you cut your dick off because a bunch of kikes psyopped you into thinking you were a woman. >Go ahead and try to project or "no u" Not once have I done either of these things and you have completely given up trying to argue anything about "grifters" and have shown you know you're wrong about massive corporations not pushing propaganda.
You know the chuds have completely lost every argument they've tried to make in thread when they make posts like this, responding to nobody, pretending they're above it, while secretly hoping someone responds to him in support >a bloo bloo bloo I don't know why people bother responding to it
>>738246428>You know the chuds have completely lost every argument they've tried to make in thread when they make posts like this, responding to nobody, pretending they're above it, while secretly hoping someone responds to him in supportThe projection is off the charts here
>>738246181He's doing both of those things
>>738245672>westerner mentally ill enough to embrace islamic flags in his display nameI mean his world view is already diabolical to begin with because it inevitably involves a western caliphate. He's certainly not on the normal side. Just trying to normalize it.
>>738246482>so they have to defend Epstein whenever they can like this guyIts another manic episode of some retard making shit up while ignoring that all the posts here are visible and that his bullshit gets btfo just by looking at what I actually said
>>738243228When will Timmy admit that he had nothing to do with the success of Fallout 1&2 and he was just a glorified 'Ideas guy'?
>>738243228Tim Cain has not made a single good game and all of his videos are him acting like a vapid weasel saying basically nothing of value. I don't know how you can watch 2 seconds of this guy's videos and not feel ashamed and making threads on his stat triangle garbage every day. Can you stop with this stupid bullshit already?
>>738245247I'm starting to think that InXile got the better pair of Troika devs at their studio. Obviously we have to wait until Clockwork Revolution drops to see if it's kino or not, but it sounds and looks more interesting than The Outer Worlds by a mile.
>>738246550Oh youre just having a mental breakdown and spamming the shit you usually spam on /pol/https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/iM5pE_8EwW5DwWYgwjK4wQ/
>>738246631I still don't understand why they switched from "I'm literally a woman" to "games need trannies so I can self-insert"
>>738243228We already knew zoomers are dumb herd animals. Hell, the nightclub fire made it clear they didn't even know fire = hot.
>>738246586You didn't prove anything though lmaoYou're fighting a war against a culturally accepted narrative totally alone, no amount of coping, crying, or projecting is going to fix that
>>738243228this is true for anything. Most humans don't have the requisite time to learn everything, so they borrow the opinions of other people and engage in surface-level, boilerplate discussion of something when it comes up. Video games aren't somehow unique in this regard.How many times have you heard someone clueless as to science and physics describe the big bang as being "a hot dense point that raidly expanded"?
>>738246658>posting proof that you've been btfo by the same image 5 times KWABOTY
>>738246626I don't really have any confidence in any studios. InXile did pretty good with Wastland, but murphy's law is still applicable especially since they were bought by Microshit.
>>738243664>GamingBeforeMillenials.pngEveryone in that picture is a millenial or at the very most, a very late Gen Xer. That's Halo 2 right there on top of the Xbox so this picture was taken 2004ish and all the dudes there are 18 to their mid 20s at most, which means they're right in the age range of a millenial or a very late Gen Xer, which was essentially a millenial for all intensive purposes.
>>738246414>she was merely Jess Ting
Why is mentally ill mutt troon having a giga meltdown during euro hours?
/pol/shits dumping their folders again.
>>738246741>show he spams shit on /pol/ while crying about how cancerous /pol/ is>doesnt deny its him>just tries to brag and act smug to copeSo you think that I am the person you used the image on every time and not just someone who can look up an image hash? This is the best cope he can think of.
>>738245232>terrible gameplayNo.
>>738246805sum tings wong
>>738243228I think this is true to an extent but it's really just a result of video games becoming much more popular and mainstream since the days of Fallout and most people, in general, are complete fucking braindead morons. It's always been that way for everything, it's just less of a problem in niche hobbies.
>>738246902>an organization that works tirelessly to provide JUST
>>738244438It did flop, it was Microsoft buying out Obsidian that gave them the money for a second game than the first being profitable. It's why the second game is far smaller in scope and ambition than the first one because it was a rush job to try and convince Microsoft the brand was worth saving and investing, it wasn't. Microsoft has shelved Outer Worlds for good.
>>738245775>suddenlyThat video was still completely true whether NakeyJakey fanboys parrot him mindlessly or not.
>rpg slop thread>It's just a singular schizo dumping literally over a hundred pictures of Twitter and /pol/ shit>this guy does this in multiple threads every dayNot immediately removing people like this is why the board keeps getting slower and slower
>>738246691>You didn't prove anything thoughI did, and all you can do is ignore it and make shit up. You cannot address a single point I made in the post so had to try and saying I was defending the kike pedo. And now you have to keep lying and try to act smug to make it look like you didn't get btfo. >You're fighting a war against a culturally accepted narrative totally aloneMore ad populum. You know you're wrong, you know you have nothing, and all you can do is keep repeating yourself while crying "no u" and throwing a tantrum like you fags always do.
>>738246482>>738246616>>738246691Are you happy now?
>>738245686Kek
>>738243228>old faggot says thingWAOW!!
>>738246676Because they know they're not. Looking at their own reflection causes them to flip out since they do not see the image of themselves which fuels their delusion but what is actually there.
>>738243228The irony here is there are people in this very thread just parroting this guy's opinion. No one is asking why this happened in the first place.There was no such thing as "thoughtful" video game discussion before, people turned to these so-called grifters because audiences felt they weren't being listened to and games media went so blatantly out of its fucking way to decry gamers (remember those coordinated Gamers Are Dead articles), they completely lost all trust.For me, it was earlier than that, before this whole GamerGate shit happened, and putting aside any political or ideological agenda which was also clear as fucking day. Like that whole fiasco with DmC and (I think it was PC Gamer) who called DMC fans whiny pissbabies because Dante no longer had white hair proved there was no good faith discussion to be had.Also, it always cracks me up seeing people talk about grifters when this bitch paved that road. You want to talk about people getting their retarded opinions without having played the games themselves? Look no further.
>>738243262>retrospective videosYou mean meandering bullshit that just states what happens in the game step by step?
>>738246886all of the systems in VTMB are incredibly undercooked and the combat feels awful to play
>>738247265almost like these people have their own countries and media where they're the main characters and the story is about them
>>738243228no there was just less subhuman turd worlders on the internet back then
Retards online have mental breakdowns when you mildly disagree with them now so I'm not surprised people have stunted their own ability to form opinions of their own. It's safer to look for consensus and parrot it.
>>738243228Troll culture set the internet’s earnesty reserves into a death spiral, along with the fact that the medium has operated like the mafia-controlled radio in the 50s for going on 30, soon to be 40 years, which is more of the crux of the issue, the first part was just nails in the coffin that had already been built. Everyone is bought, in one way or another, and there is no way to know who is and is not bought so it makes sorting context and bias impossible, getting any word from community is impossible because people are parasocial freaks and will lie to benefit people they do not know. Gamers, with a capital G are to blame, mainly for being the most depraved demographic I think I have ever seen, they really do not mind being pimped whatsoever. There’s too much money in it right now, and legitimately 80% of this board would be happier if the market crashed, their dogshit pedobait Gacha gets EOS’d and they can move onto an actual game that isn’t just a never ending content treadmill for Fin-Dom masochists. Good ending is GTA VI flops and the artform is returned to loving hobbyists again after all investors pull out. Games are unironically made better by starving artists, not by 1000 man mega studios with mega scopecreep.
>>738247527There was thoughtful discussion it just wasnt among anyone in the industry. Journos arent thoughtful theyre more or less just retards who do what they do because they didnt have enough talent or nepo points to do anything else. Most devs are corporate whores who talk about artistic integrity out of one corner of their mouth and suck corporate cock with the other. They know the industry is fucked, they know that things are awful, and they know that they are responsible. But if they were to admit that en masse it would lead to a massive lost in trust in the industry and then a crash. So instead they attack the people who made them who they are and try desperately to capture the normalfag market. But normalfags have no care for games outside of the novelty of them or saying they play them so they always move on. But the cracks are showing and even the normalfags are seeing the problems in the industry now. Which is why fags online saying this shit is a problem, because they feed them the watered down Youtube friendly version of the shit said here.
>when your media literacy is so low you don't get your own game
>>738243228CRUSTY ANAL SEX, HIS HAIRY BUM SLATHERED WITH CRISCO AND CUM
>>738246298Hey, shit for brains, Tim returned to Obsidian 12 years ago.
>>738247574It’s a solid ARPG from 2004 made in the West not made by Bethesda, be glad it exists at all, you pig.
"Flooding the zone with shit", which is in /v/'s case, shitposting. You aren't going to get anyone coming into a genuine videogame discussion when there's a risk you will just diarrhoea all over the place when you hear something you don't like.
>>738244487>lordfrogmirei think he seems like a pretty cool guy
>>738247062I never watched the video, but the parrots seem to be mad that a video game has objectives
>>738246163>nurture makes you the way you areThis has always been a strange argument. It minimises the phenomenon of human agency, innate will, as if every living human being is just a blank slate flesh automaton on standby to be programmed by environmental inputs. That if you can just precisely control which inputs a person receives, you can turn them into anything. It's deeply nihilistic, it's misanthropic even. The hell of it is, by their own logic this idea of Tabula Rasa they have isn't even their own, it was taught to them by people in the exact social orbits Epstein was in. If nurture is all anyone will ever be, then from whom did memes even originate?Why is it that left wingers think like this, but imply it does not apply to them simply because they were in a different social environment such as twitter, reddit or facebook? That's not to say anons here practice a lot of self examination of what and how they think, most don't, but I've yet to see any left wingers even recognisably approach metacognition.Alas, poor video games.
>>738243325You're confusing him with that incompetent dickhead Matt Mocarski.
>>738250004You are overthinking it, he is just a retard throwing a temper tantrum
>>738246163>Right Wing opinions
>>738250173I like to think there's some shadow of reason in there beneath all the buzzwords and metaphors that guides the rest of the average person's surface thoughts. Is that so wrong?
>>738250271>[Unsolicited Opinions On Israel???]This is a bipartisan thing these days.
>>738250358>I like to think there's some shadow of reason in thereNo, his reasoning is built on a delusion and the post as a whole is a cope made to avoid having to actual defend his position. He started crying about culture warriors and then devolved into spamming /pol/shit and accusing anyone who disagreed with him as being a pedo.
Yeah, just like Jews have always done their whole lives, pulling the strings behind the scenes to make the goyim believe which cultural products they should consume and which they should reject (pic related is just one of thousands of examples). But suddenly it's other goyim who are influencing the goyim, and that's become a problem.
>>738244682Wukong isn't gacha
>>738250425Its only bi-partisan to an extent. The fags who made that comic only care about israel insofar as brown people suffer and not that it is one of the major epicenters of global subversion and a massive cabal of pedo shit. Remember they are "anti-zionist" not anti-semitic" chud.
>>738250513https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu-aDglLxs0
>>738246741delusional yid
Man the video had terrible audio for some reason.I think the main point was lack of intellectual honesty. You know, people can't separate things they think and things they heard other people think. People don't avoid lying essentially, to have a thought you need to understand some base things propping it up to manipulate it in their minds and attack against other beliefs they have accepted, or something. When they simply repeat anothers opinion they cant discuss the topic since any rebuttal means silence, they have nothing backing the opinion up. And ofc they often forget to mention where they heard the opinion from.
>>738250670>Do you think condemning pedophilia is a culture war positionA complete non-sequitur which has nothing to do with what I said. Also you were not condemning pedophilia you were claiming that anyone who disagreed with you was a pedo with nothing to back it up and when your own pedo shit was called out you just started making shit up.
>>738250004Tabula Rasa as a concept was flating araund even in ancient Greece with aristotele using it for human soul. And later in Dark Ages Johannes Duns Scotus first used it in reference to human mind. the Enlightenment just expanded upon it this shit was always there but it needed a good and Solid explenation.
>>738243228He's not wrong
>>738250828You still haven't been able to argue this >>738246414
He's right but it's not so much influencers as it is video essayists. I swear for some reason people take anything some retard on youtube says as gospel if the video is more than 1 hour long.
>>738250271
Nah influencers aren't the reason his games aren't popular it's cause they suck, he used a recycled villain in outer worlds 2, designs don't look good, it's unreal slop etc etc
>>738243228He is pretty right. Print media from the 90s > youtubers adopting the grammar of print from 05 onwards > retards saying 'buy this game now because i liked it' of the 10's > 20's is people not even playing games they just want someone to deliver them a fully formed opinion. We have offshored opinions of games to other people.The only caveat is that the transition from 2010-2020 isnt super clean because Matthewmatosis is a 10's youtube but the same shtick just super early.>>738247527Jack Thompson was the first grievance grifter and was squarely from the rightist position though. The thing is that once one side weaponizes something without consequences it leads the other side to adopt similar positions.
>>738250941Well there you go. The guy has given express permission to call them pedos and he can't claim libel/slander.
Isn't there the absolute fucking same for every human activity subject to an "opinion"?>politics>books>movies>heh, somebody told me his doctor is the best, I'll prioritize that over credentials
>>738248164No it's not solid, it's an incredibly unsolid game carried solely by its 2000s goth industrial vibe
>>738251057>Jack Thompson was the first grievance grifterNo the first were faggots like Joel Lieberman but of course you don't know that because you don't actually know anything about moral panic faggotry and are just looking for a retarded gotcha to say it was all the same. When no one gives a shit about Thompson today while Anita's nonsense has a much more pronounced effect.
>>738244608Culture war was a literal epstein diversion tactic for midwit retards to continue infighting. This is public information and yet you tards still fall for it.
>>738244438outer worlds was complete dogshit and quite literally any BGS release blows it out of the water
>>738251110christopher hitchens mentioned that in the past you had to have a lot of pre-requisite reading done to participate in political discussions, and now everyone has their mentally ill opinion they can put onlineIts hard to overstate how unproductive media discussions are when a platform doesnt penalize not having first hand experience. Can you imagine a book reading club where 1/5 people discussing a book had read it and rest are quoting a youtube video or twitter about it.
>>738251208I think there's a silent majority thing going on.My students are much more cuckservatives than I would ever imagine to be when I was their age.
>>738243228He's right. It's time to trust game journalists (like IGN) again. Who's with me?
>>738251110it's not the same not really. You could theoretically learn everything about something like War and Peace or the isreali-palestine conflict in an afternoon just from reading sparknotes. Even if you watched several hours of an Elden Ring lore video it doesn't convey the texture of actually playing the game and moving through the space on your own.
>>738243228Well yes, killing rental stores puts many games out of reach of many players so they can't spend $70 on every new game that launches while social media has made it so everyone MUST have an opinion on everything at all times.Digital games and Gamestop closing like 3,000 stores got rid of people being able to "recycle" their old games easily as well, your average gamer is playing LESS new games a year in 2026 than they were in 2000 despite the cost of new games being lower now when counting for inflation.
>>738251208gamers lack powerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1P6UA7pvM
>>738251120Not hearing any arguments. Outside of the it shitting the bed at the last part, it's a great game.
>>738244438>People were desperate for a Bethesda-esque RPGAnon...they marketed the Outer Worlds as the spiritual successor to New Vegas. It wasn't, they even tried shilling it here. It sales figures were people thinking they'd get another NV.
>>738251202Based. This guy is too good for this industry. He should've been a lawyer or a writer, idk.Avellone, on the other hand, was perfect for vidya and they renounced him because of false allegations.
>>738251256And they all think you're a massive flamer and make fun of you constantly
>>738251316Combat is awful, non-combat gameplay systems are incredibly shallow, and it's extremely buggy
>>738250920That's my point, where did they get it from if they were blank slates? If they got it from someone, then who did that someone get it from, and so on. I don't mean to imply irreducible complexity here, but it's hard to reason about reasoning even existing in an environment where all thought is purely reactive to external input. We should not be "Wise" in a world governed solely by Nurture. A key component of self awareness, at least the way I see it, is the capacity to self impel one's own reasoning independent of external input, at least to some degree.They argue that 4chan anons are only racist, sexist whateverists because of some external property unique to this website and that absent of that, we wouldn't be this way. I put forward that 4chan only works to refine what was already innate by granting platform to voice and iterate upon it, and that this is how all social media works, and any collective of people come to think of it.
>>738251256they will have polled people in major cities, which are always brimming with liberals
>>738251337kekI did it back then, they do it to me now. Cycle of life, Simba.
>>738251336Avellone won that case and now he's just watching Fallout get killed by Interplay only for Bethesda to turn it into a multi-billion dollar IP.
>>738251216So epstein was behind anita?
>>738251335NV is a bethesda-esque RPG also they were still using the "from the guys that brought you new vegas" line for outer worlds 2, which I haven't heard anything good or bad about
>>738251432Yeah, but even if you win in courts, you still end up with a damaged reputation and somewhat blacklisted. It's a shitty situation either way.
>>738251484the soundtrack is very good
>>738251484>which I haven't heard anything good or bad aboutBecause no one played it.
>>738251550That was already the case with OW1. People got it because "but New Vegas people!" and quit after dealing with those 3 NPCs you meet in the beginning. The spacer's choice faggot and the laminated thingy bitch.I'm surprised a sequel was greenlit but it seems they were already working on it before 1 was released so it makes sense.
>>738251208>left/pol/ troon continuing his tantrum>the studies show copeDo you have anything to actually say or are you just going to spend the rest of the thread impotently seething?
>>738251628>I'm surprised a sequel was greenlitRPGs have this core fanbase of people who will buy them no matter how garbage they areIt's why Obsidian can continue to exist despite not having made a good game in 15 years
I've seen people both here and elsewhere say shit like>of course I didn't play the game I don't want to play something with (thing that isn't in the game)I've seen random videos from old games get recommended to me and then the same day see threads here shit talking or over praising said game.Genuine fucking NPC behavior.
>>738251756its perfectly fine to get energized to talk about a game because youtube video is used as a catalyst for it, the problem is just people not having been taught how to think by the school system
>>738251756NwN2, Alpha Protocol and New Vegas were a good run.I couldn't ever get into their "infinity engine returns" stuff like Tyranny and Pillars.>RPGs have this core fanbase of people who will buy them no matter how garbage they areMaybe they take too much feedback from their terminal forum posters and prefer to cater their games to this guaranteed audience.
>>738251443No, Steve Bannon was. Epstein got the idea from him.
>>738251810the school system can't teach people to think
>>738251903what do you think uni is for
>>738251930wasting people's money
>>738251756Any media is like that. People started saying certain musical artist if good after being forced to listen to them nonstop in radios or being told how good their music was.Rarely it's an organic thing.
>>738251810>its perfectly fine to get energized to talk about a game because youtube video is used as a catalystI agree but then you see the discussion and the majority are just parroting the video because they didn't actually play the game.
>>738243228>twitter grifters has killed all [insert anything]ftfy
>>738251941better than working in a matchstick factory
>>738251903>the school system can't teach people to thinkThe school system can't force people to think.
>>738243228For me i can see when a game or a console is shit a mile away like the Switch 2 and all these current woke games that dont have any fun gameplay.
>>738252029Being able to think independently is 100% on the person
>>738251756yeah it's like clockwork>suddenly start seeing posts about old game i remember playing on release>"oh fr? /v/ finally came around to how good it was?">actually just a stealth youtuber thread about xem/xir and their parasocial relationshipfaggot ass fucking board
>>738252071Exactly, it's not an issue of them not being able to teach it. It's a problem about being willing to do it.Theres a reason why people call 'them' NPCs or sheeple.
>>738252081That shit is the fucking worst.
>>738243228I wouldn't know, I don't use twitter
>>738243228He's right. On /v/ this problem manifests as people who never even played certain games parroting parrots who heard a game was shit, maybe, for XYZ reasons. In case there are faggots ITT that need to be told: your opinion on any game, good, bad, whatever, is worth less than dirt if you didn't play it.
>these are the people calling you a nazi chud on the internet
>>738251856Do you need to keep pushing this cope when it makes no sense? Because the culture war is just the pushing of cultural marxist dogshit and people telling the cultural marxists to fuck off. You keep trying to say it was done by epstein to cope.
>>738252220problem is theres no productive path forwardyou have steam forums where at least people can be expected to have bought a title, but elsewhere theres nothingthen people will spam messages about things for no reason or they're ai bots >>738252374
>>738243228I'm not spending money on every fucking game to make my own opinion now am I
jews, women and leftoids killed the future and killed video gamesinb4 "muh right" there is no right just people owned by jewsonly asian games are popular these days because none of those 3 i mentioned have their slimy hooks into their game development
>>738252458>hear about game>watch trailers>watch gameplay trailers>watch parts of playthrough without commentaryIts that easy, and there is nothing anyone can say against it. The only people that get mad are shills that just want you to buy without doing research. I mean why the fuck would anyone buy a game without seeing shit beyond the curated shit that the studio puts out. And if its just gameplay with nothing else said then ultimately you are still just making your own opinion based on what you see of the game.
>>738243228It was always like this forever and ever.Traditional game reviews also 'hand people their opinions'. That's the fucking point.You can extend to any kind of propaganda, people believe what politicians tell them. Or news. Or church. etc etc.Oh wow I discovered that water is wet. Incredible insight, Timothy.
>>738252586keeeek
>>738252586>just do a bunch of research on every game you heard about in case you might like itYou're retarded, no one discovers a game like that.
>>738246626it sounds and looks like reddit
>>738252691Traditional games media at least pretended like they actually spoke from a position of authority.
>>738252389There are emails between Epstein and his friends where they literally talk about doing this in plain english and somehow you still don't believe it?
>>738252826Fuck off corporate drone, that is literally how I choose what games I get.
>>738243228he is a faggot suggesting arbitrary infromation transfer and not the collective recognition of patterns
>>738250659>one of the major epicenters of global subversion and a massive cabal of pedo shitbut enough about Russia
>>738243395Oh don't worry, you are not reading the article but you are reading OP which is the same person. So he gets paid anyway. Either in cents from going to the article and seething at it or responding here and giving him (you)s. Are we ready to have the conversation that journalists post articles over here to start shit?
>>738253512>There are emails between Epstein and his friendsOkay post one, and then lets see if he says anything about specifically starting the movement against culture war shit. Because if its the one I think you are talking about its literally just him saying that someone told him about moot and you have blown that into "he is the one behind /pol/" while at the same time he is the guy pushing tranny shit and other culture war nonsense.
>>738253585Russian zionists were among the founders of israel and played a major role in it. You are so fucking used to doing this shit on /pol/ that you think saying shit to piss off the average vatnigger is going to work here.
>>738244487damn, all of these could be 4chan OPs
>>738251856>>738246191
>>738251810you can't teach people who don't have the genes to think thinkthey're niggercattle and nothing will ever change that>>738251930lmao fucking retard>>738252374this pic is like a decade old now>>738252691What Tim meant in his video was that people simply look to other people to tell them what to think without thinking for themselves. Looking to other people for different ideas and perspectives and, then, thinking about those things is one thing, but simply adopting their views without any thinking is something else entirely.
>>738253156Wasteland 3 was good even if some of the humor was a bit over the top reddit. The old boomer rpg devs in charge over at inxile have a modicum of my trust.
>>738247546I miss the RebelTaxi haydays...
He is right in a way. But its more that a bunch of useless parasite grifters who dont really actually care about video games and just care about jumping in on drama for their own engagement and profit. Just look at all the stuff around Pragmata. A bunch of stupid retards on all sides jumping in on the game just to boost their own engagement and these are people who do not give a fuck about video games in general.
>>738243348>people were forming opinions based on the opinions of people that formed their opinions from other people, multiple steps removed from the source.This isn't just limited to media, pretty much all political discourse follows this pattern to a t.
>just played "x", what did i think of itmods really should ban people who create threads like this
>>738243228There are also a lot of people who assume that everyone else's opinions are insincere and told to them by influencers. That's worse IMO because it's always used in bad faith to shut down discussion.
>>738253972Or that they can just say they are told by grifters as an attempt to invalidate without addressing.
>>738243952Are you saying it's impossible for someone to have a job and be an influencer? I hope not because that would make you very retarded.
>>738253528Thankfully not everyone is autistic.
>>738254125Exactly.
>>738253660>while at the same time he is the guy pushing tranny shit and other culture war nonsense.Yeah they play both sides. Epstein didn't start the culture war but him and his buddies use it for their benefit.
>I spammed rage slop crying about how gamers are basement dwelling sexist racists on Epstein and Bannon's behalf for a decade so that gamers would get mad at me, and now gamers are mad at me, how could this be?
>>738246191>>Jeffrey Epstein wants conservatives to winWho told you this?
>>738243228he's not wrong and it's the primary reason i stopped watching such channelsnot only are their takes often retarded, but the "solutions", in their mind, they provide to various things they perceive as problems in games are in most cases equally as retardedit's like watching a plumber work while having no experience in plumbing and going "no, you're supposed to do this!"that being said, DEI trash needs to die, but so do these retarded gaming channels>t. game dev
>>738245732Ok and? Most "journalism" is just farming for clicks as well. If anything Twitter has just democratized rage bait, and journos don't have sole monopoly on it any more.
>>738243228i hate this. they should just mindlessly consume.
>>738254197>nobody does this>i do>y-youre autisticSo doing research and not just buying shit mindlessly is autistic? Corporate cocksucker spotted
>>738244875I wish this was what happened but nowadays you get 1 or 2 retards just spamming "tranny tranny tranny" which somehow got injected into threads here about New Vegas. There was nothing like this a decade ago and at some point, some faggot who had a hateboner for NW was able to spam some shit enough times for others to actually believe it.
>>738245404Unironically it's shittier than it seems because those 2 triangles can have their stats swapped around to 3 position each with where to put the 3 stats. So you have 6 possible stat builds.This is unironically more annoying choice than F4 where you just get to put points down to put points up. But at that point why are you even putting in stats?
>>738251208have you noticed that across all age groups except "male/65+" the "moderate" percentage remains the same, yet the liberal total keeps shrinking?i'll clue you in on something: on that scale it goes from right to left as people get older, because:1. they stop caring (see male/65+)2. life teaches them the hard way that leftism is mental illness, they have a moment of clarity, and shift from the liberal end of the scale to the conservative
>>738254417>taking a figure of speech 100% literallynot beating the autism allegations
>>738254378Yep. Just another form of Trust the Experts, and faggots like this fall for it without a single critical thought.
>>738254209So I was right about what you were talking about and you have to go for this retarded copout when outside of uniparty bullshit people have been calling out kike shit for years which is part of what led to epstein ending up getting caught in the first place. >Epstein didn't start the culture war but him and his buddies use it for their benefitHow do they benefit from people getting redpilled to the massive propaganda apparatus which they created and use? How do they benefit from people knowing that all journalism is fake and gay and meant only to push narratives? How do they benefit from being seeing and naming the jew and their cabal?
>>738243228He's not wromg but he's part of the problem.
>>738246191Peter Theil, Steve Baron, that fat ugly fat jew that talks about the cathedral, etc. aren't conservatives, you fucking moron. They're neo-liberal niggers who just want to give themselves more power and legitimise their rule over society because they are rich.Epstein just used us and /pol/ to push Trump into office. He didn't want an actual conservative or national socialist in office. They just pushed Trump as if he was one, even though he wasn't one.>>738254281the same people who think trump is a nazi: braindead morons
>>738254508>taking a figure of speech 100% literallyYou called me autistic as a figure of speech? ESL moment only a retarded jamboy would use a cope this fucking stupid.
>>738245514assmongloid wrote this comment
there’s a strange subset of internet dwellers who just have to have an opinion on everything, it’s much more liberating to only have opinions on things you are passionate about whether they be negative or positive
>>738254757it's called a post, newfag
>>738244979WELCOME BACK TO A SERIES SO SHOCKING, EVEN KAYA SUBSCRIBED
Culture war troons failed, they were given the key to the kingdom and had the entirety of western media and people with enough money to buy the world and they still fucked everything up due to sheet stupidity. And in the end their biggest threat is a guy saying he hates jews on a nipponese ghost raping forum.
>>738254610>How do they benefit from people getting redpilled to the massive propaganda apparatus which they created and useBecause getting people to talk about identity politics distracts them from talking about class conflict which is a direct threat to these rich people. It's not a coincidence that the culture war really kicked into gear right after Occupy Wall Street. They don't give a shit if the left wins or the right wins, as long as the left and the right don't unify against them.
>>738244979>30 minutes of pure inane rambles a daywho the fuck even watched this shit
Ecelebs replaced journos because GG killed any trust in media outlets. But at the same time these ecelebs have a big head and figure themselves some kind of cultural movers and shakers. They also have a direct financial interest in stirring up shit whenever possible.Remember when /v/ was being spammed with screencaps of that one faggot Grummz? Dude thought he was some kind of celebrity championing gamers or whatever the fuck back when Stellar Blade was the new drama. Then people found out he was 68 years old irl and had a digital transona where he would pretend to be a woman and draw yuri ryona porn for decades.
>>738254702No, you retarded autist, I'm the one who said that "no one" discovers the games you allegedly do. To which you were quick to point out that you did eat breakfast yesterday, proving that you're obviously brain damaged.
>>738244928Rev Says looks like an absolute faggot, why the fuck does he have a female anime avatar rig?Nigger reminds me of HeroHei with that blue haired faggy anime avatar rig as well.And you know what? Turns out HeroHei is a fucking twink with blue hair IRL, and has another degenerate X account with feet pics of his anime avatar.And these niggers think they got the gall to be above the degeneracy.
>>738255087>Because getting people to talk about identity politics distracts them from talking about class conflictYou really are a pathetic faggot, you tried saying that epstein was responsible for people hating your culture war shit and now that that has failed you have to try and go for the distraction cope. The class war shit failed because class is not some static thing. A rich man can become poor and vice versa. You bitch and moan about the "1%" but when you are shown who they really are you just blanche and cry schizo. Or at least you did before the files revealed it was all just kikes so you had to pretend that you and your fellow marxist faggots were totally calling out the jews all along and not aiding them and propagating their cancerous ideology.
>>738255196cool story bro
>>738255254>I'm the one who said that "no one" discovers the games you allegedly doAnd you were proven wrong and are still trying to defend it. You saying it was a "figure of speech" is a post hoc cope given you said it only after you fucked up and not when I called it out.
>>738243939the RE5 remake is looking good
>>738243228One of the freaks that stabbed Avellone in the back. His words are as worthless as his very existence.
>>738255429The problem is you're schizophrenic so you think I'm a progressive/leftist/SJW/whatever who believes Epstein is a conservative MAGA Nazi despite me never saying anything even remotely close to that. There's literally no way for me to reason with you when you've already come up with a caricature in your head of who you believe I am, what you think my views are, and what you think I'm trying to do. You put me in a box based on one single post from me so any time I say something that contradicts that box you put me in you think the only explanation is that I'm just being dishonest and not that you just don't actually know me.
>>7382477634chan has IP-locked them from time to time. Have you noticed ANY change in the site? None at all. They're nothing but a scapegoat for the true enemy: The communists that infest our country.
>>738255527But I said that in response to you saying that you do it, so clearly...You know what, nevermind. Sure buddy, you win. :)
>>738243228grifters killed thoughtful vidya discussion?gamers already did that to themselves, i mean just look at /v/ .Everytime we have try to have a nuanced threat discussion or a rebuttal, somebody inevitably replies back "seethe, dilate, cope, kys, ywnbaw, you lost, etc. "We've reached a point where trolls no longer actually use sentences, they just use a literal string of insults to shutdown conversation.
>>738243228Gee, I fucking wonder how we got there.
>>738255196The pivot already happened before GG, high profile dudes like Totalbiscuit were already telling people what to play while totally divorced from traditional media outlets.
>>738255639wut
>>738243228That's retarded. People watch faggots like him to hear what they already think.
>>738255196E-celebs are the new television Talking Heads.By the way, it's RPGCodex newfags who make these specific e-celeb worship threads. They have at least one up on >>>/vrpg/ at all times and they're the only regular thread on the board to feature a selfie as the OP image.
>>738252374what if i told you that these people are ALSO the same people calling you a nigger?with anime avatars, you never know who's behind the keyboard, could be a commie or could be a nazi.
>>738243228He is a faggot but hey at least his game was based so thanks for that I guess fag.
>>738255429>see massive /pol/ infographic>see link to sources at the bottom>it's blogspotevery single time lmao
>>738245095People back in the day and today only looked at the score of a review. You are not smart for being unable to understand general statements.
>>738247546This shit pisses me off so much. It's so common too. Some videos will start with something mildly interesting, an actual opinion or some trivia, then the motherfucker pivots into just giving a really shitty plot synopsis for 40 minutes.
>>738244274At the end of the day he's a gay boomer and is going to have gay boomer opinions on shit like that. Listen to him for fun gaming history facts or very basic coding/game design advice, outside of that he starts to have a massive (often intentional) blind spot for why modern gaming sucks.
>>738243339This isn't the own you think it is. He doesn't do game reviews or talk much about other games he hasn't worked on at all.
I was wondering why Tim is in the headlines, turnes out Asmon coverd it.
>>738251208the whole point of conservatism is to CONSERVE what you have.alot of younger people have nothing to conesrve, so what's the point of being a conservative?
>>738243228Would he make a better modern fallout game than Todd?
>>738245686>look at me I'm so smart No, you're retarded and have no idea about the things you're talking about. You don't automatically get more views because you hate something. You get more views if you tell people what they want to hear. That's why games like BG3 get a ton of praise, while the newest lame and gay live service game gets shit on.
>>738244274What I don't get is why these kinds of pro-diversity guys are always in favor of characters being ugly and having a generally shitty personality. If I were pro-diversity I would shove sexy black chicks into everything. But its always the ugliest hood rat negresses.
>>738245775People have been complaining about Rockstar mission design since at least GTA4, you retard. >>738249694>heh, if I pretend to not understand the point then the point is dumbbased
>>738256046the blogspot is using the 2010 forbes 400 list and getting information about public figures to determine their ethnicityit's not rocket science, my guy
>>738245078The historical trend is villains, background characters and comic relief characters can be ugly.
>>738255710>The problem is you're schizophrenicAnd in typical maxists fashion when his point gets btfo he starts crying schizo while showing he cannot actually argue what has been said. Seriously how is it that you make all these fucking statements yet you cannot defend or back them up?>who believes Epstein is a conservative MAGA NaziNever said anything close to that but yet again you have to show that you are faggot who needs to come up with the most retarded strawmen when you lose. >There's literally no way for me to reason with youThere is, you could have shown the emails you mentioned and shown that my claim was wrong, you could have actually explained how epstein was using the right and how it didnt compromise him, you could try to argue how it was a distraction from class conflict. But you didn't, you did none of that shit and just folded because it was btfo and now that you have nothing else you have to cry schizo to cope as usual. >you've already come up with a caricatureIts not, you are doing exactly what I said you would, like in my very last post I called out how you and your fellow faggots cried schizo when this shit was pointed out.> what you think my views areWhat I know your views are and you have not done anything to disprove that and instead are just falling back on plausible deniability to cope.>you just don't actually know meI do because you faggots all act the same. Instead of actually trying to argue or do anything to refute anything I have said you just devolved into crying about how I am crazy and wrong. Your behavior and what you are saying lines up with the typical retarded marxist. And all you can do is cry because you were caught and called out.
>>738255730>4chan has IP-locked them from time to time. You being range banned does not mean that they are constantly banning entire regions like you're implying. >infest our country.Yeah, a lot of those people that you pretend are getting constantly banned are infesting "our" country. Was pretty dumb to let them in.
>>738256518What exactly did I say that made you think I'm a marxist?
>>738255735>But I said that in responseNo you didn't, you just cried I was autistic for doing research and then when I called you out for that you said it was a figure of speech post hoc to cope.
>>738254495I'll also clue you in on something: That chart is bullshit and you are letting the people who made it rape your mind by accepting any part of it.
>>738251810>implying you can teach a rock how to think if you just pet it the right way I don't think so. >>738251930In many cases proving that you have the endurance and intellectual capacity to put up with it.
>>738256328Return to form or tradition i.e conserve the past that we know was objectively better than what we traded it for now. Most zoomers know in their heart of hearts that shit from the 90s and prior is just of higher quality than a lot of the shit they grew up with. I dont doubt gen alpha will probably feel the same way.
>>738243228>tim "Maybe we were the unreliable narrators!" caintim cain spends all day watching his daughters and wife fuck niggers and is completely unsatisfied while doing it.He sneaks away to the next room and dials Todd Howards phone. It always goes straight to voicemail..>Hey this is Todd "God Powered" Howard, leave a message at the tone. If this is tim cain, yes, west coast Fallout is still being actively ruin- BEEEEPcain then immediately ejaculates, knowing fallout is in truly safe hands
>>738256580You know what the fuck you said, I blatantly call it out. And you just sperged out over me doing that. This is just another pathetic attempt to avoid having to argue because you know you can't. You will bitch that I am painting you as something but can not do anything to actually prove it wrong.
>>738251208>moderates are leftists!
no wonder 4cuck is dying. this thread is just r/gcj trannies and charitable retards banging their heads together. the absolute state
>>738256734Directly quote exactly what I said that made you think I'm a marxist, otherwise you're proving my point that you're a schizophrenic who sees marxism in every shadow
>>738256412Ugly freaks have always been jealous of people who are good looking and popular. Its honestly not surprising a gay middle aged man wants characters to be more hideous, weird and obnoxious because thats who they are deep down.
>>738256808Its in the thread, you responded to it already, you know why I called you a marxist and all you could do was cry. This really is a struggle for you, being faced with info you know you cant argue so you desperately have to play dumb and act like a retarded clown just to keep this shit going because your ego just cant let you stop.
>>738256046>>738256659Are you just incapable of interacting without resorting to logical fallacies and samefagging?
>>738243228I have hardly ever seen thoughtful video game discussion in my life, because everyone seems to have the crippling need to communicate in bite sized memeable linguistic structures. Their opinions have to be demonstrated in less than two words to have any sort of dominating presence in this industry.
>>738243228Name one good game that failed because of YouTubers and streamers.
>>738243879Having a gay protagonist would be seen in a better light if the gameplay were good.
>>738256935How fucking hard is it to quote what I said that made you think I'm a marxist?
>>738244875New Vegas is shit because the story revolves around a dam, and could be sabotaged in the event that any one faction claims control over it.
>>738257175Just call him a pedophile and move on, he's been psyoped and there's no saving him.
>>738243879>that we still live in the 7th gen bald gruff action dude era lmao, no we don't
>>738257175>How fucking hard is it to quoteIts not, but there is no point in it, you know why I said it and you are just doing this to avoid having to argue because you have nothing to refute anything I have said. This is what you faggots always do when you lose, you play dumb and try to go in circles. You know exactly why I called you a marxist, and all you could do was bitch about how I was painting you as something you weren't but could not actually defend it and other shit that I point out in this post >>738256518
>>738257346retard
>>738257369You are a pedophile.
>>738257304samefagging now as well? How typical.
>>738244031When I played it on launch I thought the game took a nosedive after the based dad "died" in the chainsaw fight, then another nosedive once you get to the ship.
>>738248080december 2025 was 12 years ago?
>>738257210
>>738256659>corporate media is my friend
>>738257478Yeah, nobody could have guessed that he would work on a shitty space fallout clone. I guess the actual surprise was how terrible it turned out to be.
>>738257175He thinks that only marxists can be class conscious. That should have been obvious to you.
>>738244487is it that easy being a a culture war/ragebait youtuber?I feel like compared to doing business/industry game news (like Bellular)... or doing game comedy sketches/reviews (like Yahtzee or Sseth)...or doing in-depth gaming mechanic exploration (like Game Maker's Toolkit)...it's like 100 times easier to be a culture war/ragebait youtuber instead.seriously, these guys are cranking out dozens of videos a week.and these guys are using emotional arguments with very little logical arguments with hardly any research/citations.And yet these receive a ridiculous amount of views for very little amount of work put in to it.Do people actually WANT to be outraged?
>>738257829nice blog bro
>>738243228tl;dr Game journalists have completely lost their hegemony to random Youtubers that do their jobs better than them and they'll never get over it.
>>738245102>catering to trannies is basedGot something to tell us, "Lilith?"
>>738257371no. YOU are the retard
>>738245775It actually feels amazing when an opinion you've held for years gets amplified by some youtuber and now everyone agrees with you.
>>738257504oh yea, I bet this hottie ain't complaining at all.
>>738257829>ignores that source actually shows more info and has to harp on it being a blog Yes you are misconstruing info to suit your narrative, it’s called a strawman, only you’re not doing it to a person but a source.
>>738255429>>738256046If you want to do this then the actual list would be headed by a bunch of Arabs like the Saudi Royal family, The worst korea Kim's family, eastern european oligarchs etc
>>738257829The problem with this has always been correlation =/= causation, and yet it gets posted as if it were a direct causality, which ends up negating the premise entirely.
how come chads are much less likely to complain about the games industry than chuds are?
>>738258397Chads dont play videogames genius.
>>738257457>gets btfo>has to beg jannies/mods to save himSo are you just some troon or an actual janny? Because I have no clue in either case why you thought this would work? I mean you can’t stop me, and you just outed that you’re a faggot that knows he lost and had to cry for someone to save you.
>>738258397Chuds have nothing else going on in their lives.
>>738251057>Jack Thompson was the first grievance grifter and was squarely from the rightist position thoughHe got fuck all support as opposed to Anita.
>>738258343No it wouldn’t since those kikes literally own the money of multiple nations.
>>738258528You literally admitted you're a pedo earlier in the thread, don't deny it now you slimy rat.
>>738258486>Chads dont play videogames genius.yes they do, we call them dudebro gamers.Dudebro gamers used to be everywhere in the 2000s, but much less so now.
my favorite thing about 4chan is how someone can be bad faith and troll as hard as possible and idiots will still try to be reasonableit must be autism or something
>>738243228Holy shit is that an old man saying something so people pay attention to him?! Quick, to the image boards to post this very important IGN article!
>>738246163Why do these people never bring up that Ghislaine was a head power mod for all of reddit's political subs for years?
>>738258395So in your mind a family owning multiple national banks and being at the head of a massive private banking network does not show that they are responsible for all the bullshit? Are you sure you want to take this stance?
>>738258648>You literally admitted you're a pedo earlierNo I didn’t, you cried that because you couldn’t argue anything I said and then abandoned that argument just to come back and do this shit all over again. Every single thing you have said has been bullshit or a straight up lie and you were btfo so bad you had to get the fucking mods to save you.
>>738258565>He got fuck all support as opposed to Anita.didn't a whole bunch of politicians campaign/rally around wanting to censor or ban videogames?don't get much more support than that.
>>738258718>but much less so nowThen theres your answer for why you dont hear them complain as much. Theres some that maybe play cod or fifa or some shit but most literally do not play games anymore.
>>738258739Wrong (You) niggerboy, that was about the liberal IQ horseshit
>>738258728My favorite thing is watching desperate faggots try to make it look like they were trolling after trying and failing to argue.
>>738258826>No I didn’tlmao, yes you did. It's in this thread. You know you can't argue against it so you desperately have to play dumb. You bitch that I am painting you as something but can not do anything to actually prove it wrong.
>>738256659>>738257829you afraid to reply to my original reply or what?
>>738259067good times create weak men
>>738243623American reading comprehension
>>738259067taking the bait over and over and over and over again probably
>>738258728Its the 100-115ish IQs bane as they badly want the world to acknowledge their intelllect, so they try to "educate" others They are smarter than the average guy, but they always fall into the trap of trying to reason with unreasonable. The leftist counterpart of this is when they read 1 wiki article on obscure shit no one cares about so they can appear knowledgeable.
I watched an interview with Gavin Norman and Mike Mearls. Mearls was the co-lead on D&D 5e. He stated that the worst thing to happen to 5e was twitter. The kind of people that needs everything explained to them flocked to to the website where they would pester the game designers with pedantic questions only to get mad when they didn't receive a bulletproof answer. He then blamed the American education system which trained people to think that "having the right answer is the most important thing."
>>738259006The especially retarded thing about you trying to do this is that unlike you I can actually back myself up and don't need to play dumb. I mean you said "You literally admitted you're a pedo earlier" yet according to pic related no one said that at any point ITT. But keep showing how mad you are that I called you out and you can't argue or do anything save crying pedo and seething.
>>738259067>ban evading to continue spamming The raped
I'll take influencer hellscape over the reality where lib arts majors who can't get jobs get to be "authorities" on what is good/bad and this is deemed the gospel. Journo control is exactly why we are in the state we are in and a lot of the slop coming out.
>>738258885more people play video-games than ever, they just don't make it their personality
>>738259296
I don't even like videogames, I just want to talk about the upcoming race war in America and reach the widest audience available.I do the same thing on other boards as well.I post on /fit/ but i don't liftI post on /k/ but i don't shoot gunsI post on /co/ but i don't read comicsI post on /tv/ but i don't watch moviesI post on biz/ but i don't have moneyI just make everything race war related without any regards to the board whatsover.and yea, I admit who I am.
>>738243228He's obviously right, 90% of the time you see someone with a strong opinion on a game nowadays they haven't even fucking played it lol
>>738244274I watched a lot of his videos and it's clear to me that he's one of those guys who was brilliant once but he became too soft with the years. He's also gay, which means he's always going to dislike the antiwoke cause no matter what.
>>738243228It is so infuriating to them that people with "the wrong opinions" are allowed to have a voice and following. Their manufactured consensuses fall apart the second they could no longer silence opposing viewpoints.
>>738259067I mean conservatism and authoritarianism usually comes with age as you live a decade or so watching thirdies and apes destroy everything around you.That aside faking leftists beliefs is a great way to get EASY pussy which is any young man's perogative.Finally, modern kids don't understand what moderate/liberal actually means.
>>738258834Within the gaming sphere, no, which is what this thread is about; That people are whinging about gamers being influenced too much by online personalities / grifters and not enough by reviews. Also, GTA was never banned in the US afaik. Anita had a much a more clear impact in the industry, with several devs acting like complete pussies at the mere thought of having attractive female characters, like it was an affront to women everywhere and one of the reasons why gaming was such a boy's only club, blahblah. The whole thing was completely fucking insane and it bordered on cult-like mentality. Some people were trying really hard to make this out to be some sorts of human rights issue that affected women globally, when the vast majority of women never gave a single fuck about any of this.If you ever wonder why chuds are so obnoxious these days, why grifters exist and so on, just remember that a large portion of the core gaming audience feels resentment that games media was complete shit for so long.
>>738243228I agree with Tim and what he thinks about games
>>738259561Define "woman".
>>738243228This guy has white hair so you'd assume he was alive for the past 30 years of video game journalism, feminist grifting, corporate suit woketardation, the HR industry takeover of the games industry, so it REAAAALY makes you think about why he's piping up now, that youtube "grifters" aka average people managed to create an influencer industry on social media. And it REALLY REALLY makes you wonder why he's only upset about influencers online changing people's minds now, instead of being worried about the very same shit for 30 years. Maybe the new crop of influencers aren't aligned with people who think like him. And that's the bottom line. When he says >They're Handed an OpinionHe means it's not the right opinion, aka his friends in the games "journalism" business and whoever else agrees with him.tl;dr old guard bitching about the new guys
>>738259412I never said anything about wanting to fuck kids, you on the other hand were spouting marxist bullshit and when you were called out you went apeshit and cried schizo because you couldn’t refute anything. And as for the ban, if you don’t want people talking about politics don’t let /pol/ cuck threads stay up. But really you’re just mad that you were btfo.
>>738259067conservative =/= reactionaryless people are becoming conservative and MORE people are becoming reactionariesconservatives are just liberals from 20 years ago, always trying to preserve the status quo when they were kids, a bunch of losers being dragged leftwards of the overton window.reactionaries realize conservatives are fucking suckers
It's especially bad now watching zoomers go back to old games to try to farm content and get frustrated with how "confusing" they are
>>738259492Oh wow, it’s another totally organic post that will be screencapped and then spammed in every thread calling out culture war shit.
>>738243228>guy starts spouting cucked opinions after he gets old and his testosterone levels cratered It happens every time, not sure why anyone is surprised.
>>738259492>>738259765the funniest thing is that there's no way tell if the post is a parody or not, so it might as well be taken at face value
>>738259795Decades and decades of brainwashing are becoming undone, it's not going to be an overnight process. Your ideology will eventually die because you sterilize yourself for Israel or dump loads in another man ass instead of having children.
>offtopic falsefalgging sharty schizo.
>>738259894We live in a world where retards can hide behind irony whenever they lose an argument. So I just face everything with the same dry Monday morning dread. If someone gets upset about their joke being ruined then they should take it up with the irony poisoned faggots not me.
>>738259701He's an old coder who was a co creator of a lightning in a bottle, resorting to content farming for being slightly controversial of criticizing the system, but too much.Needless to say not a single boomer, genxer made anything worthwile for 20 years now, they just try to stay relevant (they are not)
>>738257208But everyone wants it intact, like that bridge in Good Bad Ugly.
>>738257346Reread the post
>>738260034>nazis try to swarm and outnumber us because they're cowards>so we're gonna swarm and outnumber them to show them we're bigger cowards
>>738259710>I never said anything about wanting to fuck kidsYou know what the fuck you said, I blatantly call it out. You know why I said it and you are just doing this to avoid having to argue because you have nothing to refute anything I have said. This is what you pedos always do when you lose, you play dumb and try to go in circles
>>738260034Not him, but>a conservative is a naziYou're genuinely retarded. If you think someone like Roger Scruton is anything close to a fascist, you're an imbecile who literally doesn't know the meaning of words.
>>738259765>>738259894i mean let's be honest, it's ALOT easier talking about culture war shit than about non-culture war stuff.literally everyone does it.politicians talks about culture war stuff constantly while devoting far less energy towards the economy.alot of gaming youtubers/streamers talk about culture war shit and actually play very little games or even talk about gaming mechanics/theoryeven on /v/ it seems like people fucking LOVE to talk about culture war shit and very little actual gaming fundamentals/mechanics
>>738257208>New Vegas is shit because the story revolves around a dam, and could be sabotaged in the event that any one faction claims control over itOnce again proving my point, play the game retard.
>>738243325afaik the way he told the story made it sound like he was a programmer and also involved with game design up until some point where he got browbeaten into just being indifferent over the design parts. it was apparently just a good job in terms of pay and hours so he stuck around despite no longer caring. but i think there's always a bit of unreliable narration to his story because he seems like a pretty catty and passive aggressive dude
>>738260289You already failed at trying to say it was a diversion you marxist faggot. But thanks for showing you had to try and false flag after you were btfo again.
>>738245232The combat in VtMB is entirely serviceable and can be downright fun depending on the clan you play>the only thing it had going for it were vibesAnd writing, and design, and facial animations.. It also had pretty good RPG mechanics, but as you say, some aspects like the masquerade and humanity system were shallow
>>738260195I sympathize with him voicing his opinion, it's just that other people's opinions, including mine don't necessarily align with his. Saying that other people are "handing an opinion to others" is functionally indistinguishable from what he's doing, and he's old enough to not be a hypocrite, that's what you'd expect from older people in general.
>>738246815being out in the sun with a nice pint and a folder of your favorite printed out memes seems like a good time honestly
>>738260518nah, you're just an idiot who proved my point.
/v/ = politics/vg/ = ACTUAL videogamestake your videogame shit and fuck off to /vg/
>>738260289People are tribalistic at their core. This has always been the case.
>>738260945>/vg/ = ACTUAL videogamesLOL
>>738244875I don't care about NV being good or bad, I played it 10 years ago but what makes me mad, that people are talking shit about f3 like it's the second coming of antichrist and they didn't even played the fucking game. t. played f3 for the third time in my life and it's still good
>>738260945>/vg/ = ACTUAL videogameslol
>>738260847You say shit like this but you don’t have a point. You are crying that people want games to not just be retarded soapboxes and when they call out culture war shit and say how it shouldn’t be there it’s bad but somehow it being there. So clearly you’re the same faggot who has been crying about this for hours.
>>738261034People talk shit about 3 because it’s just not a very good game.
>>738245686TrueThe monetization of discourse is one of the worst things to happen to humanity and it goes at least as far back as yellow journalism.Today our version of yellow journalism is dogshit 'news' sites farming clicks, youtube and streamer faggots farming views and twitterfags farming impressions.I'm sure most millennials and younger generations don't even know what yellow journalism and even if they did they don't see how it relates to the modern internet because they consume that shit as a hobby.
>>738261314Time is a flat circle
>>738261034I played fallout 3 in 2009 for a while but it was nothing special. Never understood the hype for the series. I always thought the combat was weird how it froze time but also had FPS elements. I loved the story though at the beginning of the game being in the vault and then the colony with the bomb being your quest hub was cool. But it just was boring. I have never touched a fallout game since.
Known pedophile and felon Dave Rivera is having another thread meltdown
>>738261032>young men aren't conservativeAnd then you ask them about borders and housing and immigration and you're gonna shit yourself and call them nazis when you hear their answers.It's a retarded question to ask to begin with. It's like asking women if they're feminists. Most of them are gonna say no, but if you ask them if they wanna stay at home and have a man provide for them they're gonna tell you no.tl;dr retarded question that fools idiots.
>>738246602This is so blatant brainwashing it's not even funny anymorePeople who echo these ideologies are simply incapable of independent thought or and introspection
>>738260764>The combat in VtMB is entirely serviceable and can be downright funI don't know how anyone can say this, it's awful in almost every way>It also had pretty good RPG mechanicsIt was all really shallow, no real builds or resource management to considerInteresting characters, nice atmosphere. I dunno what you mean by "writing" exactly, voice acting was good but the story was just an average video game story
>>738247574>>738245232You are dumb midwits that think gameplay is the same as combat, VTM has great gameplay, there are more meanignful gameplay choices in the beach house setpice than in entire modern games.The player builds his character and the gameplay design affords him the possibility to express himself through sneaking, talking, fighting or a mix of those.
>>738261060regardless of the context, everyone uses culture war talking points because it's not about videogames, but something bigger than that.Videogames are simply a proxy war for the culture war.
>>738261543Combat is part of the gameplay. Gameplay is VTMB is combat and skill / inventory managementThe combat is dogshit and the skill and inventory management are far too simplistic to be goodSimply making choices isn't gameplay
>>738261543VTMB had good meaningful choices and therefore SOME good gameplay.every other gameplay mechanic in the game is dogshit.VTMB might as well have been a visual novel or adventure game.
>>738261771> cnn is reality
>>738261961>VTMB had good meaningful choicesDoes it?
>>738261546>regardless of the contextOf course you say this, because if the context is taken into account everyone would see that in the end the reason people talk about culture war shit is because it’s being inserted into games. But since you can’t defend it being there you instead have to try and say it’s off-topic and try and say people who talk about it don’t care about games. But they are talking about games specifically how games are being used by deranged retards like you to push cancerous agenda shit. >Videogames are simply a proxy war for the culture warIt’s amazing how you will openly acknowledge this yet still complain that people call out that retards are doing this and saying they should fuck off and die.
>>738261715It's a RPG and it has good RPG combat where the way the player decides to express himself through his character build determines what he can do, if you want to build a katana yielding vampire, you can do it and the game supports your decision through its system
>>738262204Being able to making choices does not make gameplay or combat good
>>738261474>I don't know how anyone can say this, it's awful in almost every wayUsing Celerity and Max Payne-ing your way through the game is pretty funt>no real buildsBut there is. There are multiple builds, especially when you take the clans into account>but the story was just an average video game storyWhat other video game story is like Bloodlines?
>>738257369You don't quote him because that would open up the possibility that it was a different person replying to you, so instead you treat this person you're currently replying to AS the person who said something stupid, so that you can keep your narrative going.If you actually cared for an honest discussion, you would quote the post so that we could see whether they were the originator of it, because right now, you're angrily replying to someone and PRETENDING that they're the "marxist" guy, not because you actually know
>>738262272I said build management, as in you need to think carefully about how you build your character and what skills you take and how you use them. That's gameplay, where the game presents you with a challenge and you have to use your brain to overcome it. Again simply being able to choose things doesn't make it good
>>738262006well not really, the game still railroads you into combat, so trying to stealth or talk your way through the game is extremely difficult.
>>738262232You can just retreat into the "I personally don't find it good, so it isn't" thing, but if there is any objective measurement for gameplay quality it's the ability to make meaningful gameplay choices and that's what VTM provides.
>>738262427It provides you choices yeah but they aren't meaningful gameplay choices
>>738262072Yeah I'm sure all the anti-immigration pro-war, pro-corporation right wing parties losing elections and approval at unprecedented rates globally is actually a sign that normal people are right wing (but secretly don't want to admit it) Lol
>>738243228These "people" have deluded themselves into believing that people are incapable of recognising dogshit without other people telling them that it's dogshit.They thought that they could use videogames to spread establishment propaganda in the same way that movies and television shows have been traditionally used to spread propaganda but there is a HUGE difference between videogames and those other mediums which are passive forms of entertainment. The fact is that modern propaganda is so egregious that people are even turning away from television and Hollywood because it leaves such a disgusting taste in their mouths.
>>738262515How do the choices fail at being meaningful?
