Why did Toby Fox turn Sans into a homewrecker and Toriel into a whore
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>>738249581It's in character for Toriel. She left Asgore because he wouldn't nut up and kill kids. There's nothing stopping her from shoving him aside, eating 7 souls and invading the world. She just wanted to feel both morally and intellectually superior while sitting on her ass and avoiding the dilemma.
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>>738249581Toriel is not a good person
>>738249581>noooo you aren't allowed to give characters negative traits, they have to be hecking nice and wholesome!!! it's my safe space!!!!faggot
for the lulz
>>738249581She was always a whore though.
This is the one good thing he has done with the plot, everything else is shit
He masturbates to mom NTR and wants to share his fetish with the world, thats all this game is by the way. He also faps to lesbian NTR.
>>738249581This scene is such a gigantic fucking tonal whiplash from the previous scenes, before that you can explore Hometown with this beautiful rendition of the It's Raining Somewhere Else where you feel the charged tension of "Am I really just what Fate has shaped me up to be?" and "Do I even have free will" after we discovered literally everything we do has been foretold by The Prophecy. >>738249809I'm not saying that, in fact I think it was an incredible move from Toby Fox. Of course characters need bad traits, literally no one fucking likes a Mary Sue (Although, I must admit Susie is kind of a Mary Sue, and it's pretty obvious Toby favorites her a lot, so I'm imagining the later chapters are gonna push Susie to her limit so she becomes more interesting. So far, the most interesting characters have been Kris and Ralsei)
>>738250018There is only one interesting character in the entire game and thats Noelle. Susie is pure garbage she is like the woman protagonist of the new star wars movies.
This scene will be either absolute kino or an absolute joke depending on how it is handled in future chapter
>>738249581Honestly it feels like he is letting fanfics influence him too much and since he is a bad writer you get stuff like thisYeah its "realistic" or whatever for torial to be a shit parent but it doesnt fit the game. No it doesnt make the story darker or whatever it just makes it into fetish fuel. One of the worst tropes of storytelling is "the adults are all pieces of shit" its so uninteresting.
>>738249692fpbpWe had some quality meme content
>>738250018and expanding on Susie.I do love Susie, she's very likeable and her arc in Chapter 1 was incredible. But it's like Toby just... doesn't know what to do with her now? I think Chapter 4 made great strides to push her character when she screams at Ralsei for hiding things from her, or not trusting her to deal with the Truth (In fact, Ralsei is quite manipulative towards both Susie and the Player throughout the entire game, which is one of the best conflicts in the entire game so far, and would be a waste if this goes unexplored), but even then they just go back to being friends like it was nothing, like Ralsei crying was enough to make Susie forget that Ralsei is being one manipulative little faggot right now.I'm gonna be really, really pissed off if Susie discovers Kris is working for the Knight and they go back to being budding buddies just a few scenes later, because it would just be plain bad writing, a waste of time.
>>738250337>he is letting fanfics influence him too much???
>>738249581>turn
>>738250554there are millions of fanfics about sans fucking toriel out there while kris masturbates in his bedroom crying
This game is like invincible for me, plot is pure shit but Im too curious to drop it now
>>738249948Man of culture, mom NTR is the best porn genre. Lesbian NTR is only fun if it's a lesbian cheating on her female partner with a large penis man. It's the no penis humiliation.
>>738250590[citation needed]
>>738250463My biggest hope is that Toby is deliberately holding the tension now for a bigger rapture in Chapter 5. Worst case scenario is Toby is conflict-averse with his favorite characters, which would be actually fucking terrible.
>>738250018>Of course characters need bad traits, literally no one fucking likes a Mary SueMary Sues succeed obnoxiouslyBad traits or a lack thereof have nothing to do with being a Mary Sues
>>738249581>manages to make one of undertales most popular ships into one of deltarune’s most hate with one sceneToby sama i kneel
>>738249581>homewreckerToriel's already divorced retard. There is no "home" to wreck.
>>738249581>Chris is just chara/frisk from the previous game>you canonically both destroyed and saved the world in the previous game>sans fucks your surrogate mom as revenge for killing him and his brother all those timesSans won
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>>738250959Who is this "Chris" character you speak of
>>738250665His type of lesbian ntr is the one where your girl gets seduced by a butch lesbian that is manlier than you
>>738250337Do you live a charmed existence on seasame street or something? Yeah adults are shit, everyone is shit. People do bad things to each other every now and then. Often enough people dont even see why what they do hurts others.
>>738249781God I hate Toriel like you wouldn't believe
>>738251193I bet you loved garbage like punpun
>>738251076Autocorrect
>>738251242Never heard of it
>>738251307Go read it, oyasumi punpun, everyone is a fucking asshole in it
>>738249781she's just like my mom frfr
>>738250705>>738250463wouldn't it be funny if toby doesn't stick the landing though? Imagine the cope after decades of WAITing
Deltarune and toby fox are not canon.
>>738250909Is there really not? Because Kris is pretty clearly shaken up and confused about what’s going on.I mean, yeah it’s interesting that it pushes the characters to their limits but that doesn’t stop me from telling you that it was a pretty messed up move from Toriel to bring a complete stranger to their home. Besides, don’t you think it’s irresponsible that Toriel didn’t really care about Kris not coming home when it was really late? Because in chapter 1, Toriel said she kept repeatedly calling Kris’s but that pattern doesn’t follow through in chapter 4 because she is so distracted with Sans. So yes, Sans is a homewrecker.
>>738251451Homestuck 2.0 here we come!
Is the next chapter coming soon? I dont play this but I do keep up with the story.
>>738250174Doefags really believe this
>>738250782Soriel doesn't even hit the top ten of Undertale ships, both Toriel and Sans had more popular pairings
>>738249695"relief"
>>738251557No need to be a doefag to admit she is better than susie when it comes to the character being interestingSusie feels like an out of place discarded main character that only gets in the way of the good parts
>>738249781thisi've been saying it for years since UT but no one believed me, i had the proper read in the character from the beginningto be honest, i even doubted myself at points but toby confirmed my schizophrenia with this event
>>738250590There's more fanfics of Sans fucking Toriel’s children than fucking Toriel
>>738249781Toriel disliked that Asgore wouldn't commit to his promise and decided to stall. She doesn't want him to actually kill children, just for him to pick a side.
>>738251779>YOU EITHER KILL CHILDREN AND USE THEIR SOULS TO KILL MORE AND THEN GENOCIDE ALL HUMANS OR SIT ON THE KEK CHAIR WAITING FOR ALL MONSTERS TO ROT AWAY AND DIE DOWN HERE NO INBETWEENthe CLASSIC woman moment
>>738251887>>YOU EITHER KILL CHILDREN AND USE THEIR SOULS TO KILL MORE AND THEN GENOCIDE ALL HUMANSThat is literally what Asgore promised, yes. He just doesn't want to follow on his word
>>738252014toriel would nag him to kill himself if he ever said it hyperbolically while on a low moment too
>>738251451It would be a tragedy to not explore and expand on the back-seated tension between The Fun Gang. Because these conflicts have the potential to become really meaningful and interesting commentary on trust, free will, friendship. It’s such a rare thing these days to see stories that have the balls to create these incredible conflicts with a charged things to say on the human condition. If Toby follows through with this that would make Deltarune one of the most interesting works of fiction in the last 10 years.But you know, knowing Toby Fox’s past with Andrew Hussie and Homestuck makes me wonder if Toby has inherited the same issues as his predecessor.
>>738251513Not what that word means
>>738251789i wanna FUCK taskemaster
>>738252173Homewrecker doesn’t necessarily only have to mean “Guy that screws somebody’s wife”
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>>738251702Are we qualifying Frisk as Toriel's child or something
>>738252248???
>>738252283>A homewrecker (sometimes styled as home wrecker or home-wrecker) is a person, object or activity that causes or comes close to causing the breakup of a marriage (or similar partnership). The homewrecker is said to have taken one of the spouses away from the marriage, thus "wrecking" the marital home.Most commonly, the label "homewrecker" is applied to a person having an affair with someone else's spouse or domestic partner; it can also refer to other forces that are destructive to a marital relationship and tied only to one party to that relationship.Words having meanings. Just because *you* use them in a different way doesn't change that.
>>738252135>It would be a tragedy to not explore and expand on the back-seated tension between The Fun GangThis will definitely happen, there's too much obvious build up to what will occur when Susie realizes her best friends have been lying to her from minute oneOr even the dynamic between Ralsei and Kris since its evident that Ralsei may not agree with everything Kris is doing but has little option but just to grin and bear it with a straight face since the solution would require dismantling the house of cards lies they've built up HE WHO GUARDS TRUTH WITH LIES
>>738252451>arguing semantics over substance Autism-kun… Go take your pills.
>>738249581This is completely in-character for both of themAnd a "homewrecker" is someone who has an affair, not someone who dates a single mother
>>738252476Susie’s monologue during the RK fight is so genius because she REALLY DOES believe Kris and Ralsei are on the same boat as her, so the revelation that their relationship was built on a lie day one is gonna be so interesting, let alone the fact Susie is already dealing with the reality that she didn’t change out of her own free will, her fate was already sealed by the prophecy. I think Chapter 4 has been so far the best chapter in terms of developing Susie’s ultimate epiphany, the question is what is she gonna do once she unveils the truth?
>>738252427stop posting lewd on blue boards
why did dess molest kris
>useless /ss/fag headcanon post number 289520why
>>738253102Edgy teenager imprinted onto a younger kid, was always going to be a disaster.
>>738252108She doesn't need to do that, he does that himself with no external pressure.
>>738253102>useful /ss/god canon post number 99999
>>738251513>Because Kris is pretty clearly shaken up and confused about what’s going on.Kris isn't confused or shocked, they're ashamed. This is clearly not the first time they've seen Toriel shitfaced. Kris isn't having trouble processing what's going on, they're humiliated by Susie seeing it.>it was a pretty messed up move from Toriel to bring a complete stranger to their homeI don't know how you were raised but I don't think a parent needs permission from their child to invite company over.>don’t you think it’s irresponsible that Toriel didn’t really care about Kris not coming home when it was really late?Yes it is, but that's a separate claim from calling this character assassination or whatever.Toriel getting drunk to the point of impairing her judgement and being unable to be there for Kris is a bad thing and also completely in line with her established behavior and flaws. She'll be just as ashamed of herself as Kris was in the morning.It's also completely idiotic to try to blame Sans for Toriel's behavior, she's the one who invited him home and broke out the wine glasses.
>>738253530>theyFuck off
>>738253550triggered, snowflake?
>>738252827A ''homewrecker'' is someone who destroys a family by inserting himself into it like the skellnigger did.
>>738252370Frisk can be adopted by her and in most of those fanfics she's her daughter, yes.
>>738253646The family was already destroyed a long time ago.
>>738253530I bring up some great points but come on anon>they
>>738253646>A ''homewrecker'' is someone who destroys a familyYour mom is never getting back with your daddy, man
>>738253731you bring some great points*is what I meant
>>738253731I didn't write the game, anon.
>>738250018>So far, the most interesting characters have been Kris and Ralseithe just interesting porn maybe. kris doesn't even have dialogue lol. how deluded are you by the goat bussy?
>>738253824>shoehorning gay western bullshit into dialogue inherited from Japanese sensibilities retard-kun...
>>738253880>shoehorning gay western bullshit into dialogue inherited from Japanese sensibilitiesWhy would Toby Fox do this?
>>738253751>Tenna just wants the family to be back together again.>If you don't recruit all Chapter 3 enemies, Chapter 4 ends with Toriel getting drunk with a convenience store owner/janitor in front of his corpse.Why would Toby let you do this
>>738253225>>738253102I hope more than anything else that not only is Dess not the knight but never makes an actual appearance in the game beyond being mentioned. Because dessfags are just that creepy and insufferable.
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>>738252703nta, but that goes beyond semantics. By using the word wrong you painted an entirely different picture of the situation than what was presented and heavily distort what really happened. The difference between>Kris saw sans bone Toriel which led to the Dreemur family falling apartand>a few years after Toriel and Asgore seperated she met sans and got drunk and partied with sans all night which made Kris deeply uncomfortableis astronomical.
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>>738253872>implying Kris and Ralsei are not interesting>implying the Egg Rooms (that paint a picture of Kris's life before we came in) aren't one of the most interesting parts of the game exactly because of who Kris is as a character>implying one of the best parts about DELTARUNE wasn't the moments where Kris defies or agrees with the Player>implying the other characters commenting on Kris's actions when we make him say something he doesn't want to say isn't an incredible storytelling device>implying the fact Kris is secretly working for the Knight isn't gonna be the best conflict in the entire game after Susie finds out >implying people aren't furiously debating Kris's motives, his promise, his real relationship with the Holidays and Ralsei>implying it's not fascinating that Catti apparently taught occult bullshit to Kris>implying it's not fascinating that Kris is very obviously implied to be involved or even the culprit of Dess's dissapperance>implying it's not interesting that Ralsei is deliberately manipulative towards The Player and Susie>implying it's not interesting that Ralsei is a Darkener made of "Pure Darkness", meaning he probably doesn't even have a body>implying it's not interesting that Ralsei for some reason chose to look like Kris's brother, almost as if he's trying to be manipulative>implying it's not interesting that Ralsei tells us to close our eyes every time he wants to Talk to Kris in private or do some secret bullshit he doesn't want us to know about>implying he isn't clearly withholding the full story from us (And Susie)
>>738251779>She doesn't want him to actually kill childrenWrong. She's capable of ending the child murder practice at any moment as displayed in the pacifist ending and most neutral variations. It's literally as easy for her as getting out of her cave and saying "We are done" and everyone will go along with it.She doesn't do it for hundreds of years, ergo her opposition to Asgore's child murder plan is purely performative.Toriel the WHORE is a subtly written evil character and with the way she was written in Deltarune ch4, it's fairly obvious Toby clued in that he was a bit too subtle in Undertale.
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>>738249581Is Toby a master baiter or does he actually think people want Soriel and Suselle to happen?
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>>738254274Total Sans VictoryHe unleashed the true special move
>>738253872>the just interesting porn maybe. kris doesn't even have dialogue lol.imagine being such an illiterate monkey that a story written for gay teenagers is wasted on you
>>738249781This was something i didnt understand and thought shes just against killing humans, but apparently she only left because Asgore pussied out and she also didnt want to take responsibility.
>>738250018It ruined a cute Krusie moment.
>>738254274Fuck it, I haven't posted these in a while, I had a ton of fun making these when that generator was popular here.
>>738254386Why do you think a story should only have things that the audience wants to happen?
>>738254493KEK. Sometimes niggers are so dumb everything flies over their heads.
>>738250174Not really. She is still the bully who need to apologise to Kris, but she has that Naruto main character vibe with her rebeling against fate and shit.
>>738253731stop playing pronoun police faggot
>>738254581>That time during the peak of UTY's release when people would just turn posts in threads into textboxesTake me back.
>>738250018>This scene is such a gigantic fucking tonal whiplash from the previous scenes, before that you can explore Hometown with this beautiful rendition of the It's Raining Somewhere Else where you feel the charged tension of "Am I really just what Fate has shaped me up to be?" and "Do I even have free will" after we discovered literally everything we do has been foretold by The Prophecy.It is, and that's why it works. We presume home will be the safe haven, like it always has been, and will be when Kris needs it most. But even Kris can't hide his disgust in that moment, because this is the side of his family life that Susie hadn't seen yet. Much like Susie assumed the prophecy would be in her favour until it wasn't, she thought the world of Kris' family life. If only it was always that great
People forget(probably because Toriel is hot as fuck) that she tries to stop you from leaving her house using magical violence. Now she does try to avoid killing you, but if you beat the shit out of someone and don't kill them that is generally still seen as a dick move.
>>738254562>OH MY HECCIN SHIPAROO!!! TOBY FOX HECCIN RUINED A CUTE HECCIN KRUSIE MOMENT IM GOING INSANE!! How the fuck do you play Deltarune and the entire story and themes fly over your head while you furiously jerk off to some dumb shipslop?Are shippers really this fucking braindead?
>>738254639canonically it's susie who says that though
>>738254493wow what an interesting character... i wonder what else the actual characters will say about him
>>738250909Kris and Asgore want to mend the family together. Sans can ruin it if he seduce Toriel.
>>738254689Yeah I agree, I'm not saying it's a bad thing that it's such a huge tonal whiplash from the previous scenes, it does work in its favor to elevate the story.>Kris can't hide his disgust in that moment, because this is the side of his family life that Susie hadn't seen yet. Much like Susie assumed the prophecy would be in her favour until it wasn'tThat's such a sharp read on the story I'm gonna steal that thanks bye
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>>738249781How does leftist do it? They make all the fucking perfect caricature characters without any sense of hesitation lmao
>>738254319the wordless tension between the player and the controls is a ln old vidya parlor trick, not a thing that makes a character interesting.
>>738253653Bunny girl costume? What is this, The 7th Stand User?
>>738254909Name ten (10) games that do this other than Undertale & Deltarune
>>738254909Very few games explored the idea of the protagonist being its own person. I can only think of OFF and Nier Automata off the top of my head but I'm sure there's a few more.
>>738255068Contact on the DS too.
>>738254213You're gay
>>738255068>>738255057My other favorite game "Hatred" technically did it too
>>738253530Autistic people dont understand basic message behind this scene. Kris was sad because he saw Toriel being happy with another man, because he realise he will never sit with Asriel, Dess, Noelle and his parents ever again to watch tv. Thats the fucking reason. No wine drinking and not shame in front of Susie. There was also no cucking and Toriel fucking Sans, im so tired of subhuman autists misenterpreting a disney cartoon level of a plotline.
>>738255174Oh yeah well takes one to know one nerd.
>>738253824They are compelled by Toby to be vague over his gender. Not you, retard
>>738255220I don't find these funny and I think you should stop posting them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKkHfkvpw34Toby Fox reverting back to his Massachusetts nasal voice at the end always cracks me up
>>738255280just ignore that nigger no one is replying to him anyways
>>738254505>apparently she only left because Asgore pussied outNo, retardAsgore declared he would kill all humans after Asriel and Chara killed themselvesThis was not only personally reprehensible to Toriel (didn't they just welcome a human child into their family?) but also Asgore betraying his own principles, after he had previously promised to make the best of life in the Underground rather than pointlessly try to escape and continue the hopeless warShe tried to talk him down and reason with him but he was too enraged and stubborn to listen to her, and monsterkind was on his side. So she refused to have any part in this and left him, taking Chara's body with her and going into exile in the Ruins.Toriel's failing is retreating into the Ruins in the same way that Asgore hides away in his castle, both of them hoping that another child never comes.Asgore is too cowardly to either face his people and admit that murdering innocent children for their freedom is wrong or commit to the war he promised and cross the barrier himself, while Toriel is too cowardly to face Asgore and her people again and ensure herself that no more children come to harm in the Underground.Toriel is flawed and hypocritical, her criticism of Asgore is projection (whether Toby intended it or not), but that doesn't make them morally equivalent. Asgore is the one who decided to start murdering children.
>>738254359Toriel literally abolishes the "kill all humans" policy when she becomes queen in a neutral ending. Yes, she's a hypocrite that does the same thing that criticizes Asgore for (hoping a human never leaves the ruins rather than deal with Asgore) but that makes her flawed, not evil.
>>738254493This imply Noelle and Kris work with Carol. So Noelle might be the knight
>>738255280>>738255336You wouldn't know funny if it cockslapped you in the face.
>>738252864People really don't realize just how deep the lies go, and that some of the very first things ralsei told susie were lies. Ralsei isn't even a darkner, he's one of kris' old childhood friends.
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>>738255331but clover doesn't have anything against sans
oh my fucking gosh stop posting this unfunny text box shit
>>738254716Nothing wrong in not giving a shit about the story and only playing for a dink tomboy girlfriend.
why's he like this?
>>738254920It's cute and funny
>>738255479Everything wrong actually, it's pathetic, it's childish and normie behavior.
>>738254004You don't need a TV anymore, sans is here and he you adore!
>>738255520His heart belongs to Berdly
Papyrus > sans
>>738255459Frisk also doesn't have anything against him, either. Only Kris and possibly Chara would dislike him
>>738255420If Toby doesn't make the inevitable rift between Susie and The Fun Gang interesting (i.e.: Conflict is not easily resolvable like it was with Ralsei just crying in front of Susie to make her stop screaming at him) I am genuinely going to be so mad
>>738255474That's a funny way to say you want more!
>>738255339>>738255209Based anon telling it like it is
>>738255479There's everything wrong, you barely actually like Deltarune
Sooooooooooo October release?
what really annoys me about that one mikefag is that YEAH i agree! It sucks that there aren’t as many John flower takes as there were bishops and mikes and tennas. but the thing he overlooks is that all that creativity he desires is going to DESS. DESS is the evolution of all those predictions but he just, DOESN’T CARE because she’s not a wacky talking flower! And funny thing is that there ARE people making john flowers but he’s too busy seething in these threads to look for them.
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>>738255753>october releaseif it doesn't come out before August I am personally going to destroy Toby Fox's niche Japan-only eroge collection
>>738255209Kris holds their head low and deliberately turns away from Susie's gaze. That is shame.Kris refuses to play along with Toriel and Sans's bullshit for even a second and wants to just go to bed. When they go to bed, they don't cry into their pillow, they cover their ears and thrash around until the noise fucking stops. That's anger and resentment.I'm sure there's a part of Kris that's sad too, but that's not what they're showing here.
based berdly appreciation post for dropping the white-knighting the moment he realized Noelle was actually in danger
>>738249581>Why did an overrated jewish faggot zoomer do gay jewish things? I have no idea OP…
>>738256039>overrated jewish faggot zoomerHe's older than you.
>>738249781>>738254505>>738255339I'm confused, I only played Undertale and thought >>738255339 is exactly what it was. I thought she left him BECAUAE of his plan to kill children for their souls, and she became the guardian of the ruins specifically to thwart that.
KRIS IS A MANHE HAS A DICKHE WILL FUCK THAT DOE PUSSY AND HE WILL LIKE IT
>>738256039>JewishToby Fox was raised Episcopalian in New England so he's 100% Anglo-Saxon >FaggotHe's straight>Zoomer He's Millennial
>>738256110Yes, she left because of the plan to kill children. Toriel and Asgore make people retarded for some reason.
>>738256110>I thought she left him BECAUAE of his plan to kill children for their soulsYes.There are a lot of retarded Asgore apologists who ignore what he tells you about how he fucked up his own life because they just hate Toriel (women)
>>738256139>He's straightto be fair he's probably a bifag, even if he's fucking lots of Vtubers
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>>738255762You'd think he'd give up and seethe elsewhere at this point
>>738249781Yes she's very well written. Real women are exactly like this
>>738255068>Very few games explored the idea of the protagonist being its own personthis has to be bait. or maybe undertale fans are the lowest quotient possible
Threadly reminder that Dess is the knight because Rudy is a Darkner trapped in the Light World.
>>738249581Toriel's always been a whore though.https://files.catbox.moe/pjioss.png
>>738255057 1. BioShock 2. Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem 3. Cyberpunk 2077 4. Deltarune 5. Surgeon Simulator 6. Manual Samuel 7. I Am Bread 8. QWOP 9. Batman: Arkham City 10. Control:Override
>>738257042anon, the point is that in this game the entity you (player) is separate from the entity main character you control, in-universewhen you play gow or whatever you ARE kratos in-universe, in DT you AREN'T kris even though you control him
>>738256298That's what I remembered. Now I haven't played Deltarune so I don't know if he was redeemed or retconned, but I consider myself a bit of an Asforr apologist. What he did was fucked up, a crime declared war against humanity. I also understand why he would do so when humans were shown to him to be cold, heartless, and asympathetic after his son dies. Frankly the fact he looks at Frisk and treats them cordial and polite shows me he isn't mentally gone or not so ideologically captured. I believed he could have been reformed and wanted him and Toriel to get back together, forgiving each other (Toriel wasn't wrong for leaving Asgore but she could have been more understanding of his reaction and have tried harder to change things before dipping). Asgore's sin is wrath but that doesn't even seem to affect him outside his goal, and at the end of the game he sees the light for peace again. I don't really know how one can dehumanize that.
>>738257259>>738255057add Zero Time Dilemma and any /d/-tier game involving addiction
>>738255709>>738255778>>738255839Cute lolis and cute comic.
>>738257295Asgore in Deltarune is more pathetic than his Undertale self but we don't know why they're divorced still. Toriel doesn't seem to hate him as much but everyone thinks he's crazy
>>738257283for 99% of your playtime it is indistinguishable from just playing the game as Kris. Just like how you control Kratos's every action, but then a cutscene happens and suddenly he is own person that can take actions you might not agree with
>>738256434Probably not difficult to find guys who would break their “straightness” for Asriel or Ralsei, to be honest.
>>738257512The main difference is that the player isn't diagetic in GOW like it is in UT/DR
>>738257512that's the thing though, DT actually explores you and the MC disagreeing in actions, it goes both ways which is more interesting because in other games you disagreeing with the MC or the MC potentially doing something they probably wouldn't while you play as them is usually not explored or in the later case your actions shape or kind of retcon the personality of the MC to fit what you chose because you ARE him in-universethe idea of the protagonist being its own person separate from the player is thus not explored because either the personality is set in stone and you just get to control his actions in a severely limited manner for the sake of gameplay like gow OR the MC is pretty much what you make out of it like well basically any game with a character creator so it's just a direct representation of you/your larp
>>738257042THIS has to be bait holy fuck
>>738257903It's more so in most games there's no player, simply just the character. Meanwhile in these games the main character being controlled is canon.
>>738257881and the only thing they've done with that so far is the most annoying possible sequence in the whole series, where you sneak around as a floating heart and wait for nothing to happen. god i hate toby stans so much. it COULD be so fucking interesting but it's not, he's too lazy or stupid to do something interesting with that idea
>>738258124what about forcing him to rape his childhood friend
>>738257521>Asrielbut you can't even show me an in-game sprite that depicts him as cute rather than creepy. it's all just fan art delusion
>>738253530>I don't know how you were raised but I don't think a parent needs permission from their child to invite company over.It's the fact that kris does not like Sans and he was a bit of an asshole a couple of days ago. He's absolutely new in town too. They also just went through hell trying to find her in the dark world just to find out she was safe comfortable and fucking around with some guy she met two days ago. Which is a little bit dangerous
>>738249581Griefing both Susan and Kristian to increase the tragic value of the story. It's like twisting the black knife in the wound.
>>738257903The games that best capture this friction between player and protagonist are The Stanley Parable, which constantly pits your disobedience against a Narrator trying to control the MC, and Slay the Princess, where the protagonist’s internal voices can actively resist your commands. Disco Elysium fits perfectly by treating the MC's personality as a semi-independent, fractured entity that argues with you through internal dialogue, while Spec Ops: The Line purposefully creates a moral rift where the MC’s actions become something you, as the player, might find yourself fundamentally at odds with.
>>738258287Is it really rape if 2 out of 3 participants enjoyed it?
>>738258124>and the only thing they've done with that so far is the most annoying possible sequence in the whole series,Just get weird anon, Kris throwing us in a trash can and kicking the everloving shit out of it was kino
>>738258687Yes, Kris was raped still
>>738250651I felt the same way reading Invincible. Robert Kirkman is one of those people that is predictable in always trying to subvert expectations.
>>738258287Proceed.
>>738258124I personally really liked that section. It was eery moving around with no UI or narrator. I hope Toby expands on that and more scenes of the protagonist not being (you)
Uoohh teenage lizard ass erotic…
a gacha thread died for this
>>738258687>>738258287>>738258795>rapethis has gotta be the dumbest headcannon yet. why are fans of this game so horny
>>738258124But that segment did turn out interesting. Are you stupid? Oh wait, you're one of those faggots who's mad that the game dares to have a main plot, of course you are.
>>738258124>the only thing they've done with that so far is the most annoying possible sequence in the whole series, where you sneak around as a floating heart and wait for nothing to happenEvery day I am forced to share a board with retarded faggots like this
>>738249781I was always confused about her rationality on screen near the end of true Pacifist where she says Asgore could've gone past the barrier first then kill the first 6 souls. That always made it seem like she didn't care about the children at all.
>>738258401>It's the fact that kris does not like Sans and he was a bit of an asshole a couple of days agoYou don't have to interact with Sans at all before that scene
>>738249581>whoreToriel married her first partnerToriel divorsedNow Toriel dates her second partner, likely will marry if Sans doesn't go "next dimension waits for me, I must go now".How is that jn any way, shape or form her being a "whore"?She's totally an alcoholic, tho.
>>738259132The primary thing she cared about was Asgore making a show of going to war with humans but being content to let his own people suffer for who knows how long because he didn't want to take initiative against the species he supposedly was ready to wipe out.
>>738259007it wasn't fun gameplaywise... and so far it wasn't even interesting, zero impact on the rest of the "episode"
>>738259329It was exactly as interesting gameplay wise as running around hometown talking to NPCs, if not a bit more thanks to the slight deviation from normal gameplay rules and presentation.And the things it set up were important, are you seriously claiming Asgore having a black shard is meaningless because he doesn't do anything with it in the chapter you learn about it? You can't see how retarded that is?
>>738253530>people seething about Toriel being a bad mother in DR when in UT she literally fights you to stop you from leaving home
>>738259142It's the violent "who the hell are you" dialogue that belongs to Kris. It's the good to see you again dialogue that belongs to us.
>>738259329>so far it wasn't even interesting, zero impact on the rest of the "episode"Kill yourself
>>738259519>It was exactly as interesting gameplay wise as running around hometown talking to NPCsdayum that's crazy, even fans will admit the "innovative" gimmick is as interesting as filler jrpg villager dialogue slop
>>738259051>Asgore in the bathroom: "Aight, I've gotta go check it again">Asgore in Carol+Rudy's room: examines the shardSo is the shard Carol's or Asgore's?
>>738258897This but loli and also human
>>738253983That doesn’t count… BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN’T OK
>>738258325>he wouldn’t put this smug cunt in his placeWhat are you, gay?
>>738259620>the "innovative" gimmickPoint me to one person who thought it was an "innovative" gameplay gimmick.The sole value of a segment isn't in how fun it is to push the buttons. Sorry you have the attention span of a goldfish.
>>738260001wouldn't it be more interesting if the entire game was built around the concept instead of it just being a one-off thing before returning to stealing mother 3 gameplay?
>>738259632He specifically says "I've got to go look again." implying that he's searching or examining something in Carol's room.Then he does his monologue about how "this time for sure, they'll all see, they'll have to believe me" standing in front of Carol's own schizo corkboard and Evil Secret Definitely Not The Roaring Knight black katanaSo it seems like he's looking at and talking about Carol's sword, except it's kind of weird to call a whole sword a "shard"Maybe he has his own actual "black shard" in his pocket like Kris, from an encounter with The Knight or just something he found investigating the Shelter Dark World, and that's his "proof" something supernatural went down when Dess disappearedEither way it's proof that he knows something, we won't know until he does whatever stupid shit he's planning to do tomorrow. Maybe he's going to use the "shard" to make the Dark Fountain.
>>738250959Why would they care about it if they killed Toriel long before killing Sans?
>>738259519>are you seriously claiming Asgore having a black shard is meaninglessso far the entire snowgrave route is meaningless, yes. for comparison, the entire world and its gameplay and dialogue immediately changes in undertale when doing the genocide route
>>738260172>stealing mother 3 gameplay
>>738260357>so far the entire snowgrave route is meaningless
>>738260172No? I'm not here solely for the """unique""" part of any game and I'm definitely not mad that a game dares not to be "unique" at all times. That's mental illness. Cave Story is like 80% just some guy trying to make Metroid right down to the floaty jumping, this is always how indies have been and there is nothing wrong with it.
>>738260357No it doesn't. Fights are the exact same, or perhaps even flatter than in the normal game since fighting is generally simpler than even acting. The world is identical, only dialogue/events change. And there's a couple new bosses in exchange for every other boss vanishing or getting one shot just for effect.I understand if Genocide validates how you prefer choice to work in video games, it's not how choice is supposed to work in all video games.
>>738249581is this a tranny or furry game? it looks tranny and/or furry coded.
>>738260759No, they want it to be but the creator is only courting their kind, not going all in.
>>738260759the MC is tranny, their boyfriend is furry, every character is gay or queer or involved in some kind of cuckolding relationship
>>738251513>>738253530You're talking about toby and tobys writing is "hah the game knows what u know 2" teir writhing.
>>738260759
>>738260875Pulling off a game that can so accurately guess what you're trying to accomplish is no mean feat.
>>738250018>This scene is such a gigantic fucking tonal whiplash from the previous scenesThat's entirely the point. Susie and Kris (and you, by extension) have spent all day worrying about Toriel's safety and the fate of the world only to come home and find she's just been at home getting drunk without a care in the world. We've also only ever seen Toriel as a sweet mom, so seeing her drunk out of her mind and neglectful is shocking. The whole thing is a splash of cold water in the face to induce as much angst as possible.
>>738260896why is the skeleton asking the child if it likes hot animals?
>>738261001Because you've been repeatedly buying hot dogs from him. This dialogue only happens if you do it a few times.
>>738253646What home was there for Sans to wreck? It's made very clear that the Dreemur family has been falling apart for a long time
>>738260875>tobys writing is "hah the game knows what u know 2" teir writhing.
>>738260623>everything is exactly the same!>except battles... and events... and dialogue... and who you fight...huh, ok
>>738249581Because it's both funny and sad. kind of like light and the DARKWORLD AM I RIGHT??? GENIOUS
>>738261164>everything is exactly the same!>except battles... and events... and dialogue... and who you fight...Just like Snowgrave, then
>>738261164Battles and the world are in fact the same.The dialogue and boss fights change, but that's also true of the weird route.
>>738261267you literally just said battles are flatter because you just attack instead of talking to them. so no, battles aren't the same.>>738261264snowgrave impacts maybe 1% of those things, yes.genocide route impactac 99% of them
>>738260357I wish Snowgrave had more changes and wasn't frontloaded but there's still plenty of changes and Mantle implies it will be more genocide like in the future. >>738260623Genocide doesn't have anything like Chapters 3 and 4 were it's the exact same in both routes outside of an extra scene. Genocide does have more actual changes so far but hopefully future chapters have more differences.
>>738260759It's a furry game but it has a few human characters. No trannies
>>738260623That's how it is for most games with multiple routes, retard
>>738261001Sans wants her cunny
>>738261376>you literally just said battles are flatter because you just attack instead of talking to them. so no, battles aren't the same.Common enemies don't alter their behavior. Battles are the same. Unless you're going to argue that acting and fighting are meaningfully mechanically different, which is a losing battle to begin with.>Snowgrave needs to affect MORE MORE MOREWait for the whole game to be out then, retard.
>>738261264Maybe in Chapter 2 and one scene for 4.
>>738249781Nothing is worse than one who hesitates
>>738261576Alternate routes in most games are horseshit that people like for symbolic reasons and not because they add anything. The interesting part is the other way the story could have gone, not the fact that the gameplay was slightly altered in XYZ places.
>>738260875> and tobys writing is "hah the game knows what u know 2"It's amazing anons still haven't figured this out yet. We still get people insisting on seeing things at face value.
>>738261639>>Snowgrave needs to affect MORE MORE MORE
>>738262108>retarded opinion>chad yes dot pngConcession accepted
my cock twitched a little when Susie did that
>>738262226why are you calling it a retarded opinion while also promising me that it will affect more in later episodes?
>>738258625blud had to pull out jeetgpt to make a response for him
>>738262428Because if you believe the amount the weird route affects to be too little, right now, you are going to think the weird route affects too little of chapters before 5 forever. Hence, retarded opinion.
>>738261691There have been changes in every relevant scene since Snowgrave.If you expected TV World to be evacuated because Noelle froze some darkners in the library that's your own fault.
>>738262636But that's how it worked in Undertale! Why can't Deltarune just be more Undertale?
>>738261639Toby isn't going to suddenly rewrite the entirety of chapters 3 and 4 after they've already been released to retroactively make snowgrave more impactful. It's forever going to be a shortcoming of the game.>>738262636>you expected the game to be interesting that's your faultAlso the fault of the website implying 3 would have major snowgrave relevance.
>>738262669retarded Youtubers reducing Undertale to "YOU HAVE TO SAVE EVERYONE AND THEN KILL EVERYONE" has been a disaster for Undertale fans' ability to engage with their own game
>>738262980What are you talking about? Anon is clearly talking about how genocide had a bigger impact on undertale than snowgrave has done with deltarune.
>>738262636You say that posting the only change in Chapter 3.
>>738262953>It's forever going to be a shortcoming of the game.... if it was a shortcoming in the first place, which it is not.The weird route is impactful enough as it is.
>>738249581He already was and she already was.
>>738263082First of all, objectively wrong.Secondly, yeah, he said every relevant scene changed. Once again, the TV world being significantly different because of what happened in the library would make no logical sense.
>>738250018Like other anons said, it's meant to be a slap in the face not just becuase you've ostensibly spent this entire 10-hour chapter looking for Toriel but also because it's supposed to truly cement to Kris that their family is never coming back together
>>738263187Post another change Snowgrave causes to chapter 3, then.
>>738262953I would of liked that chapter 2 didn't let you do snowgrave until chapter 3 tells you the option.
>>738262953>Also the fault of the website implying 3 would have major snowgrave relevance.It did.>>738263043Snowgrave isn't a Genocide route and the people acting like it should be instead of engaging with what its actually been doing since Chapter 2 have retarded Undertale Youtuber brain
>>738263083The entire fun of doing these hidden routes is seeing how they change the game.As it stands right now, you're expected to do the entirety of chapters 3 and 4 with minimal changes in order to see all the routes. How exactly is expecting players to do content they've already done more than once not a shortcoming?
>>738249581In Toby Fox stories all straight relationships are bad and toxic, all homosexual relationships are perfect and idealized.
>>738263082>>738263217>the only change in Chapter 3
>>738263217Susie's comment about Kris "ending up like Berdly" and the response it provoked literally only make sense in the weird route.are you trying to make a point by saying "Snowgrave" instead of "weird route"? I don't get it if so.
>>738263082>>738263217>the only change in chapter 3.
>genocide route explicitly tells you that there are no rewards for doing evil things that you don't have to just out of curiosity>NO WHY ISN'T SNOWGRAVE CHANGING ANYTHING I NEED SUSIELOVANIA AND CONSTANT NEW CONTENT WHY AREN'T YOU REWARDING ME FOR RAPING THE 14 YEAR OLD GIRL TOBYYYY
>>738263473And the two cages.
>>738263293>How exactly is expecting players to do content they've already done more than once not a shortcoming?What the fuck do you think playing Undertale was like you stupid cocksucker
>>738263293How exactly is expecting players to hate content the moment they've done it once already good game design? I don't want alternate routes in any game to feel obligated to alter scenes they have no logical reason to and I think you're retarded for disagreeing.
>>738263267>It did.No no. The goalposts set were:>If you expected TV World to be evacuated because Noelle froze some darkners in the library that's your own fault.You can't suddenly turn around and say there was the expected relevance after making the argument that there wasn't.>Snowgrave isn't a Genocide route Which you've just saying to handwave any ways the genocide comes out looking better by comparison.>>738263610WE'RE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS WAS DONE BETTER IN UNDERTALE how about you respond to the retard trying to argue that we can't compare them for some reason?>>738263660>How exactly is expecting players to hate content the moment they've done it once already good game design? This is fucking cope anon. You know damn well that "you liked this game" isn't a excuse for making someone play it more than once.
>>738256110>>738256298She was the queen, she was more popular than the king, everyone followed her orders and nobody would've allowed Asgore to hurt her. Not that Asgore would've hurt her since he's a doormat when it comes to her.In reality Toriel could have walked together with the kids to the barrier and make sure they pass through. The kids would not have been attacked by any other monster and Asgore would not have attacked her to kill the kids. She could have led a coup against Asgore and become the ruler, then give power to someone else.But the truth is that Toriel didn't want to be responsible for anything. She just ran away from her responsibilities as both queen and caregiver, put all the blame on Asgore and sat around eating snails knowing that Asgore would eventually kill seven kids anyway.
>>738263953>You know damn well that "you liked this game" isn't an excuse for making someone play it more than once.... what the fuck? Yes, it literally is. The only reason I would replay a game in the first place is if I enjoyed it. If I expected to like a significant portion of the game any less on replay, I would not replay it.
>>738263953>The goalposts set were:>a ridiculous hyperbole that could never have happened and anyone who expected it to was retarded>and that didn't happen so what people were expecting didn't happen!!!Are you dense?
>>738264080>The only reason I would replay a game in the first place is if I enjoyed it. IPrecisely. That should be the only reason you would replay the game. Not because the dumbass designer forced you to do it.
>>738264153>a ridiculous hyperbole >basically what happened in the prior chapter 2 and what we got in undertale
>>738264198Nobody forced you to do the weird route. If you only wanted to play Deltarune once you could've done that.>but I expected the weird route to be like genocideAnd it is, in that nobody forces you to do it and not only does it have no intrinsic reward, it's actively designed to upset people who thought the normal route was intrinsically rewarding.
>>738264329>Nobody forced you to do the weird route.But someone did force you to replay basically the same content to get to something actually interesting
>>738264309Chapter 2's setting is completely disconnected from chapter 3's, so yes, expecting chapter 3's setting to respond to what happened in chapter 2 is ridiculous.And Deltarune is not "more Undertale" nor is it trying or obligated to be.
>>738264393>expect the events of a prior chapter to impact the next chapter is ridiculousAre you actually listening to yourself?
>>738263407This is in every route>>738263473This is, however, a change so I concede. Still not as much as genocide changed the areas though.
>>738264390No? At least I wasn't forced to do anything. If you were I recommend you look into the gun your computer has pointed at you.>but I HAVE to get to the "interesting" part!No.
>>738263410I think that's in every route and I'm calling it Snowgrave because I have Chapter 2 brain
>tfw Asgore runs over Sans just like he did DessThat would be a bit too based for ol' Tricky tony.
>>738263953>You can't suddenly turn around and say there was the expected relevance after making the argument that there wasn't.You made that argument. I told you Snowgrave affected later chapters, just not in the way that you expected, which was rehashing THE GENOSIDE ROOOT FROM UNDERTAAALEEE>Which you've just saying to handwave any ways the genocide comes out looking better by comparisonGenocide is about deciding to kill everyone because you're bored (because you've played the game multiple times through and have exhausted all other enjoyment from its "content")The Weird Route is a specific series of actions that you're taking with an actual purpose in mind. The action you're taking is different, the goals are different and the consequences will be different. It is a different game with different rules.>THIS WAS DONE BETTER IN UNDERTALE>You know damn well that "you liked this game" isn't a excuse for making someone play it more than once.Tell me right now with a straight face how replaying the entire game after a Neutral run to do True Pacifist was different and better than replaying Deltarune to do the Weird Route.Oh, what's that? You never actually did a Neutral run and you just ran Pacifist from the start because you're a Youtube zoomer cocksucking faggot with no attention span or appreciating for the game we're talking about? Wow, I never saw that coming!
>>738263965>She was the queen, she was more popular than the king, everyone followed her ordersThis is pure fanon even if the rest of your post is right.
>>738264503>expect the events in the self contained fantasy world in the library to impact the self contained fantasy world in Kris's house is ridiculousYes. Are you?
>mikefags are still seethingwe are a month out from 1st anniversary of chapter 3&4's release
>>738264505>This is in every routeIn the normal route Kris plays it off by chirping like a birdIn the weird route it obviously only freaks Kris out more and they stay pale and upset>* You're gonna end up like Berdly, right?>* ...>* Hey, uh, it's just a joke. Chill.
>>738264587Kris freaking out over the comparison definitely isn't in every route.
>>738264519Yes, you're forced to do the whole of chapters 3 and 4 with minimal changes if you want to get to the interesting part of the weird route anon.>but I HAVE to get to the "interesting" part!YES YOU STUPID BITCH THAT WOULD BE NICEIt would also be nice if the whole of the route was interesting instead of just some of it.
>>738264774>YES I HAVE TO GET TO THE INTERESTING PART I HAVE TO I HAAAAVE TO>I WANT TO SEE NEW THINGSSSSSSThe genocide route rolled off your brain like water off a duck's back, huh?
>>738249581>Sans into a homewrecker and Toriel into a whoreThe only reason Sans didn't just outright kill Kris was because he promised Toriel to not to. Toriel has always liked him and were flirting in UT, just off screen. If anything, they both got tamer and more human-like in DR.
>>738249581Wtf is this shit. I thought this series was an earthbound spiritual successor. This looks like a gay web comic full of melodrama
>>738264663Funnily enough we do get plenty of stuff about the dark worlds being connected, so yes.
>>738264760>>738264765Damn, I didn't know that either. I double concede.
>no, I HAVE TO do The Bad Route to see THE CONTENT>but I don't like having to play the game again>this is a flaw in Deltarune only, Undertale is nothing like this and has nothing to say about itIt's decent bait, I'll give him that much
>>738264851>Kris*Frisk
>>738264902It is an earthbound spiritual successor. Every game contains "melodrama" and your inability to register it marks you as a retard.
>>738264832>YES I HAVE TO GET TO THE INTERESTING PART I HAVE TO I HAAAAVE TO>I WANT TO SEE NEW THINGSSSSSSYes. Anon. You typing like a child trying to mock someone doesn't stop that from being a reasonable desire from a game you paid money for.
>>738264902>>738264959>It is an earthbound spiritual successor.It's Mother 3, actually
>>738264919>we do get plenty of stuff about the dark worlds being connectedNo? We only get stuff about why a small handful of characters in these completely disconnected worlds have shared history, and it firmly proves that the dark worlds aren't connected and the "connection" is just the history Kris and the Holiday girls have to the object when they played pretend with it.
>>738264993>>738264948You paid money for Undertale too, right?
>>738264851The "you will be dead where you stand" is a bluff so that Sans would read Frisk's face and see how many times she died. Genocide makes it clear he thinks fighting is pointless and he would rather be friends with the anomaly. You're right that he's still close to Toriel in Undertale, possibly his best friend.
Toby Fox is the JJ Abrams of indie games.
How would (you) feel if Deltarune had a basic happy ending?
>>738265150i would stand up in the theatre and clap
>>738265150Wholesome and refreshing?
>>738264959Deltarune is donut steel web comic drama. Enjoy.
>>738265150I don't want a basic happy endingI want an ADVANCED happy ending
>>738265150Why is the "w" in "we" drawn that way
>>738265247What a meaningless criticism. I don't think a single person has ever managed to articulate the problem with "drama" in games that didn't also out themselves as missing the emotional layer of the games they like.
>>738262297
>>738265514You're definitely a zoomer that was 12 when you first experienced undertale, so it all seems really deep to you
>>738265031>No? We only get stuff about why a small handful of characters in these completely disconnected worlds have shared historySo yes.
>>738265617It doesn't seem unfathomably deep, but I can see for a fact that both most people who like it AND hate it missed the point, so it can't exactly be shallow, either. And again, "drama" is meaningless as a complaint, every game with writing has "drama".
>>738264948>this is a flaw in Deltarune only, Undertale is nothing like thisYes. Undertale's genocide route impacts the entire game. That's the point that was being made.
The writing in these JRPG walkarounds isnt that good.
>>738265669No, not really. They have a fixed idea of what their history with one another is, not an ongoing telepathic link with each other, as would be required for TV world to respond to your actions in cyber world.
>>738265586gross nigga
>>738265776It's pretty good for video game fare. Like, it's not high literature, but most games are far, far worse.
>>738265726Undertale's genocide route gives you exactly two nuggets of really new gameplay in its entire runtime, and it being "different" at every moment in no way negates the fact that 90% of the time spent is on grinding or the new bosses.
Kris: My pronouns are He/Him and I like monster women.
>>738265870>and it being "different" at every moment in no way negates the fact that 90% of the time spent is on grinding or the new bosses.Oh yeah the grinding is still a drawback. Which is why there was hope looking at chapter 2 that snowgrave was going to be an improvement on genocide since it toned the grinding right the fuck down. Only for chapter 3 and 4 to dash that hope.
>>738265870it feels different. even the music is different throughout the whole game. at the end of the day, games are vehicles that deliver a feeling to you.snowgrave does not feel different outside of the 1% of affected dialogue that is insulated from the rest of the game
>>738265726>Undertale's genocide route impacts the entire gameand it does this by making the game 2 hours long
>>738266365Shortening it is reasonable since it's not the primary route.
>Millenial indie game>it's about dealing with mental illessesguys I don't think boomers and early gen Xs raised their kids properly. how bad are the Zoomers and gen Alphas?
>>738266365stream yourself beating sans in less than 2 hours
>>738266115The weird route is an improvement over genocide by virtue of not being a completely mechanical change. Undertale changes every area and boss in the same way in genocide, it is sweeping and impactful but also comes across formulaic, like a lot of its other changes. The weird route is a very specific other way through the story that only differs where it has a logical reason to. These both have their appeal.>>738266350>Snowgrave does not feel that differentI beg to differ. I'm sorry you forget about how the mood of the overall game has changed the moment this specific scene isn't affected, but I don't have that kind of ADHD.
>>738266397so you understand that it would be unreasonable for Toby Fox to have to essentially make a second 40 hour JRPG for Deltarune to go off the rails as much as Undertale does>>738266487here you go, don't forget to subscribe!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBu6pbXKBwo
>>738266550ok i will admit chapter 2 does feel different.that's probably why it's still called snowgrave instead of weird route.
>>738266350>snowgrave does not feel different outside of the 1% of affected dialogue that is insulated from the rest of the gameGenuinely the more you guys repeat this the more I just think you're kind of stupid
>>738266692your screenshot is proving my point for me
>>738265091>Genocide makes it clear he thinks fighting is pointless and he would rather be friends with the anomalyThat's just because at this point he realizes Frisk is so determined he will just revert time as many times as it takes to accomplish his goal. Pretty much everything he does at this point is just a desperate attempt to counter your ability, be it befriending you, manipulating, overwhelming "unfun" first attack, stalling the fight, etc.
>>738265150Pretty satisfied. I always enjoyed Undertale's pacifist ending.
>>738266552>so you understand that it would be unreasonable for Toby Fox to have to essentially make a second 40 hour JRPG for Deltarune to go off the rails as much as Undertale doesI understand it is reasonable for the route to be shorter yes. Chapter 2 snowgrave was shorter and I'm using that as the standard that we were hoping for. Wanting the route to actually make a difference throughout the game is also reasonable.
>>738265870That's still makes the route unique unlike the current weird route.
>>738266414>it's about dealing with mental illessesWhat makes you bring this up unprompted?
>>738254319>>738255520>>738256132>>738254319Kris goes by they/them
>>738266772How is a mandatory cutscene following up on the whole pivotal Light World sequence that plays out completely differently and shows the new lingering tension between Kris and Susie as a consequence of what happened "insulated from the rest of the game"It kind of seems like you're a retard who thinks reading screenshots in a vacuum is an acceptable substitute for experiencing them in the context of the story and game you're playing
>>738266913Toby's headcanon doesn't count
>>738266796Sans says they should've been friends before all this began. The fact is that Sans always wanted to befriend Frisk because he knew fighting and killing her would be pointless because she can just reset.
>>738263965>In reality Toriel could have walked together with the kids to the barrier and make sure they pass through.you were right in the first line, and then you fucked up.you need a monster soul and a human soul to pass through the barrier. those kids are stuck underground unless she's going to personally help kill Asgore.
>>738265150This is the same guy that left Asriel a flower and Chara a pile of dirt. Best case Dess better hope Asriel’s into goopy anorexic armored chicks
Kris man vulva
>>738267008It's the only thing that counts, actually
>>738259194>How is that jn any way, shape or form her being a "whore"?Toriel literally met Sans three fucking days ago, and she’s already getting drunk with him and inviting him over to her place to fuck, not giving a shit about her kid. Toriel is a cockhungry dirty slut. Half the town has probably fucked her.
>>738266998>How is a mandatory cutscene following up on the whole pivotal Light World sequence that plays out completely differently and shows the new lingering tension between Kris and Susie as a consequence of what happened "insulated from the rest of the game"NTA but because the rest of the chapter basically completely forgets about it. You posting the stuff that is different is only making the point that the differences there are there are worthy of note precisely because of how so much of the game is the same.
>>738267225Asriel and Chara were dead. Dess is "lost."She's not too far gone (probably)
>>738266998everything that happens in light world prologue is insulated from the actual game. it may as well be a tf2 comic or some other separate piece of lore media
>>738255068>>738257283Oneshot pulled deltarune’s “the player character is their own person fully aware of YOU” shtick in 2014. Sure it’s an extremely meta concept but Toby didn’t come up with it
>>738266913I go by nig/ger
>>738267225Flowey lives with Papyrus and Chara was saved, so even them got their happy endings.
>>738267454>the rest of the chapter basically completely forgets about itNo it fucking doesn'tKris freaks out thinking about what we did to Noelle and Susie doesn't understand whySusie's big hopeful speech at the end falls flat when the awesome guitar riff doesn't playThe ending is completely different because Susie doesn't come back and tell off Toriel and Sans, so Kris is left miserable in their bed instead of being tempted to run away with her. Your actions have already permanently damaged their relationship and left Kris more isolated than ever.
me using my evil SOUL magic to stop kris from being a furry out of spite
>>738267670Nobody's saying he came up with it, only that it's rare to actually exploit it as an aspect of the narrative and not just a little joke or cute thing.
Man people jerking off to the knight is going to end up being funny or REALLY FUNNY based off who ends up being the fucker
>>738264948Undertale wouldve been a lot better without the meta shit.Glad he seems to have learned his lesson with deltarune.I must admit, all the faggot coded shit is also quite embarassing still.
>>738267746>Kris freaks out thinking about what we did to Noelle and Susie doesn't understand whyworthy of note precisely because of how so much of the game is the same.>Susie's big hopeful speech at the end falls flat when the awesome guitar riff doesn't playworthy of note precisely because of how so much of the game is the same.>The ending is completely different because Susie doesn't come back and tell off Toriel and Sans, so Kris is left miserable in their bed instead of being tempted to run away with her. Your actions have already permanently damaged their relationship and left Kris more isolated than ever.worthy of note precisely because of how so much of the game is the same.
>>738266913Was/were
>>738267917Deltarune is more meta than Undertale by making the player explicitly not Kris.
>>738261729If you had to save the human race ny bashing 7 kiddie heads in you'd probably say yes. Then you get to the part where you have to actually look at the kids and kill them with your own hands.
>>738267975>you only think these story beats are important because they're importantkill yourself
>>738267917>Undertale wouldve been a lot better without the meta shit.HEY TOBY, GIMME AN UNDERTALE WITH NUTHIN'
>>738268210The argument was never whether they were important or not.
>>738266350The point to me is, the Weird Route does not have a strong enough influence in the game's sequence so it loses the sense it's a real derailing of the story and comes off as far weaker than what the concept looked like in Chapter 2. Weird Route is simply a disappointment because it could be much better but Toby & co clearly don't have the time and resources to do a fully fledged consequential Weird Route.
>>738268437You said the rest of the chapter "basically forgets" about the weird route, I listed three noteworthy changes including the fucking ending of the Chapter, and you conceded that these were all noteworthy changes and you were fucking wrong but are still acting dismissive about it because you're a dishonest cocksuckerKill yourself.
I thought the Genocide route was going to be a really big and impactful change after Snowdin was abandoned, but now I'm going through Waterfall and it's all basically the same aside from some dialogue and scene changes.I guess Toby just wasn't up to explore the consequences of my actions after all.
>>738268693>You said the rest of the chapter "basically forgets" about the weird route,It does. Saying "but exceptions" just means you don't know what "basically" means.I also said there were differences that were "worthy of note precisely because of how so much of the game is the same.", which you proceed to list as if I haven't already acknowledged them.
>>738249581Shitty gremlin deserved this and more.
>>738268827This comparison is unfair because Waterfall is like a 30 minute long gameplay sequence
>>738269050So, like a sixth of the runtime of the route?
>>738268827This doesn't work because Waterfall has even more changes than Snowdin had.
>>738268693>and you conceded that these were all noteworthy changes and you were fucking wrongI was the one who conceded and I stopped arguing with you because of it.
>>738269050Undertale is like a six hour gameplay experience
>>738256139Nothing says "100% Anglo-Saxon" quite like:
>>738269485Pure Anglo-Norman blood. He's quite literally the Master Race
>>738269157All at the end, you mean?Oh wow, another midboss rolls over and lets me kill them. What a stunning change.The only difference with weight is Undyne the Undying.
>>738256434>The power of fluffy boys shines within you.This is dog owner language.
>>738269535Again, Undying's existence makes more of a change than Snowdin's changes so the meme doesn't work.
>>738269534>Pure Anglo-NormanContradiction in terms. Also, he looks distinctly Mediterranean, specifically Spanish or Southern French.
>>738269098>>738269323Why would it be about proportion?
>>738269591The meme is that we are currently in a segment that has to play out mostly the same regardless of route and chapter 5 is going to be as significant as Undyne the undying, which was enough to tide Undertale players over until Sans.>b-but Hotland is diff-Not as different as having an actual new fight. The meme doesn't work, in your own words.
Bunch of slack jawed retards in this thread that when faced with characters with flaws screech at each other that their character is morally superior. I love Toriel despite her flaws, I also like both Asgore and Sans, in both games.
>>738269714Because having a minimum quota for how often you have to be reminded you're on a different route, in real time minutes, is utterly retarded, and we wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.
>>738268940>it's the same except for this and that and the other thing and the ending of the Dark World and the ending of the ChapterOnce again, kill yourself.
>>738269837We're talking hours of the game here anon.
>>738269758>I love Toriel despite her flaws
>>738269758she is not a character with flaws she is villain territory
>>738269591>Waterfall is basically the same except Undynebut exceptions! only worthy of note because it's noteworthy!>>738269919>We're talking hours of the game here
>>738269931Villains are often some of the easiest to like characters.
>>738269919A few hours of a 20+ hour game, yeah.
>>738269824>Because having a minimum quota for how often you have to be reminded you're on a different route, in real time minutes, is utterly retardedThat is reasonable, if only for the simple fact you want things to stay interesting.Also this is a strange argument because waterfall genocide DOES basically remind you the whole way that you're on a different route.
remove susie remove gay shitthen Ill play this game
>>738269931Nah, she's really not. She's a good intentioned person who made big mistakes.>>738269928Divorced woman, moron
>Deltarune is worse because it's longer>I need to be stimulated with reminders about what I'm doing every two minutes
>>738270029>it is reasonable to be watching the clock while you play and deducting points when it forgets to tell you something new every X minutes, it has to stay interesting after allSo... your IQ is two digits, right?
>>738265586What's the appeal of feet? I truly don't get it. Is it one of those things where you need to get mindbroken from an early age into liking it?
>>738269980NIGGER THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT ROUTE IS BASICALLY THE SAME DURING THE CHAPTER, THAT MEANS THE LENGTH OF THE CHAPTER IS RELEVANT FOR KEEPING THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU TRY LISTING EVERY DIFFERENCE
>>738249581perhaps Toby is a mom ntr enthusiast
>>738270208Rather than "mindbroken" it's believed to be a neural miswiring because the neurons responsible for recognizing genitalia are right beside the neurons responsible for recognizing feet within the primary somatosensory cortex
>>738270147>so reasonable to you had invent staring at a clock and deducting points in a desperate attempt to make it sound autistic
>>738269749>route and chapter 5 is going to be as significant as Undyne the undying,I doubt that, it will be less significant than 2 but I would love to be proven wrong.
>>738270245And that means the overall length of the game is relevant for keeping things in perspective when you try listing every difference caused by the routes. Deltarune is a 20+ hour game per route. Undertale is like 15-20 hours total.
>>738269614Ah yes, an ANGLICAN Accadian/Italian Are you retarded? That's pure Anglo-Saxon blood right there
>>738250174you disgrace other doefags. we don't raise up Noelle by putting down others. Noelle needs no other elevation. I sentence you to rewatching cutscenes on YouTube
>>738270417You yourself agreed that the number of minutes between new stuff was a reasonable metric. How do you propose to count the number of minutes without a clock? Is your sense of time so immaculate? Or were you being hyperbolic?
>>738270468>And that means the overall length of the game is relevant for keeping things in perspective when you try listing every difference caused by the routes.Yes. Which is why it's a pretty disappointing right now.
>>738270245>THE LENGTH OF THE CHAPTER IS RELEVANT FOR KEEPING THINGS IN PERSPECTIVEThis probably sounds smart if you're an iPad baby whose brain is hollowed out by ADHDIf you're an adult who reads more than 1 (one) book per year though, you should understand that the significance of story beats is determined by the context of their place and buildup within the story, and not the length of the CONTENT you had to sit through fidgeting in your chair with Youtube on the other monitor
>>738270468More like 6 hours. Undertale can be played First neutral route + Pacifist + Genocide fully in one single afternoon sitting, discounting playing every possible neutral route combination.
>>738270534ah yes, the religion that is clearly transmitted through bloodline
>>738270569The point is that evaluating the weird route poorly because its middle 10-20% isn't as dramatic a change as the entirety of the genocide route is stupid.
>>738270664Hey, who's talking about Catholics?
>>738264631>Genocide is about deciding to kill everyone because you're bored (because you've played the game multiple times through and have exhausted all other enjoyment from its "content")>The Weird Route is a specific series of actions that you're taking with an actual purpose in mind. The action you're taking is different, the goals are different and the consequences will be different. It is a different game with different rules.That's a meaningless distinction for what's being discussed here, which is just the fundamentals of the routes being interesting.>Tell me right now with a straight face how replaying the entire game after a Neutral run to do True Pacifist was different and better than replaying Deltarune to do the Weird Route.Well for a start you don't necessarily have to if you managed to avoid any killing on your first playthrough. It's also overall shorter.
>>738269758This fanbase is autistic and thus can only see things in black and white. Either the character is a perfect saint or literally satan, no in-between.
>>738270684I think the Weird Route feels poor because it presented itself as this sequence breaker creepypasta that created a whole new way of playing the Chapter 2 dark world, then Chapters 3 and 4 offer nearly no change, which yeah it's pretty disappointing.
Jesus Christ, some people
>>738254824Toby isn't one of the mentally deranged ones on social mediaThe ones you refer to are radical, and handwaive any controversy or downplay it if it was done by a minority/womanToby, while 100% a leftist doesn't give me that vibe just based on the fact we don't get TRANS rights as a message or a billion Republican bad allegories in his games
>>738270605Again, we're not talking about importance or significance. We were talking about how much of the route is different throughout the chapter.
>>738270898Yeah, seems that way. It's especially bad on /v/
>>738271024And you are being told that thinking this is a good metric of anything is retarded toddler shit.
>>738255068OFF is such a fucking great experience.The Batter is such an unrepentant turbo autist that he wraps back around to being charming.>"You spent so long preparing the party that you forgot who it was for."Ah.Shame, I can't talk about it with anyone.For whatever reason, every opinion I hear about it is stupider than the last.
>>738271104Is the Steam version worth playing?
>>738271091The measured adult you're claiming to be wouldn't be resorting to insults.But yeah, the fun of these kind of routes is seeing how it's are different. Seeing so much of the game be the same is a let down.
>>738249781It's even worse when you find out Asgore was pretty much just a well liked figure head and she handled pretty much all the kingdom shit.She basically left her trophy husband holding the bag and fucked off while he was recovering from the worst event of both their lives.
>>738267445It's not too uncommon that women are very forward/fast with relationships, they usually need to be told no or to hold onIt's commonly joked that lesbians bring a U-haul to the second date
>>738271091I think at this point you're pretending to misunderstand the argument for the sake of keeping this debate
>>738271223>y-you insulted me I winThe measured adult you're pretending to be would not measure "sameness" by the minute.
>>738255459Perhaps so.But game still recognizes game.
>>738270208>What's the appeal of feet? I truly don't get it.As someone who like feet a normal amount (I don't particularly seek it out but I'm not put off by it either)There's a similar level of intimacy to them to hands, they're not as dexterous but they are usually covered and kept out of sight. It's not as private as your chest or crotch but you don't let just anyone touch your feet.When it comes to footplay there's also an inherent sense of dominance/submission and degradation to it. If a girl wants you to rub her feet or put her toes in your mouth you're servicing her, if she's stepping on your dick to give you a footjob she's dominating you. If she's squeezing your dick between her feet it's not that different from a handjob but it's more dirty/naughty, she's going out of her way to do something more deviant for you and you're getting off to more deviant service.
Toriel's large, fluffy feet
>>738271104OFF was neat. It's not a stellar gameplay experience, but it's a good experience itself (only so much to say about gameplay itself when it's so easy).
>>738271303No that seems a pretty logical metric.
>>738271267I posited the hypothetical "you can't really be measuring a route by how many minutes are between differences" and got a positive response.
>>738271527Only if you adjust the number of minutes you expect between differences for the length of the game. Which you do for Undertale and not Deltarune.
>>738265150As long as we really have to work for it, I'd feel great.
>>738271074/v/ is just filled with way too many contrarians or insecure anons that try to appear cool and unbothered. /v/ is just super hostile in general.
>>738271024>we're not talking about importance or significance. We were talking about how much of the route is differentIf you think it's appropriate to make a value judgement based on the changed word count or cutscene length without any regard to the context or substance of what's being changed, you an irredeemably content-brained reprobate and genuinely lack the facilities to appreciate this story written for gay furry teenagers.Killing yourself at this point would be a mercy.
>>738271601>Only if you adjust the number of minutes you expect between differences for the length of the game. Which you do for Undertale and not Deltarune.I don't do that for either.
>>738271303An adult also wouldn't mimicing what the other person says but intentionally saying it in a stupid way. That's literally something a child would do.
>>738269758Look, I don't care, yeah, she's allowed to have flaws, that's fine, I'm allowed to hate her for it too. If you like her in spite of her flaws, that's fine, I don't.
>>738271630heaven forbid you bring up Kris being in a bad situation by loving their friends but still being loyal to the knight. a few anons will jump down your throat
>>738271721Even worse, you're not even failing to do so in a limited capacity, you never adjust for the length of the game at all? Damn. Have you considered getting medicated for whatever mental problem causes this?
>>738270664Anglicanism in America is ALWAYS followed by Anglo-Saxons. It's really not that difficult to understand.
>>738271720But I do appreciate the story. The first time I played it.
>>738271981Anon, do you think the churches will throw rocks at you if you're irish or something?
>>738271959>Even worse, you're not even failing to do so in a limited capacity, you never adjust for the length of the game at all? Damn. Have you considered getting medicated for whatever mental problem causes this?I think you should be asking yourself that last one looking at this post.
>>738272151I need meds? I need meds because I think you probably have some flavor of attention disorder, for your stated belief that a different route should remind you you are on a different route every few minutes?
>>738272015I do not consider you an adult, or even really a human being, if you advocate CONSUMING your MEDIA/CONTENT like this, and I'm not going to continue this discussion that you are not mentally capable of having. You are not my peer, much less my equal.I hope you can grow up, or someday undo the damage society has done to you, but I don't have much hope.
>>738258420Who is this japanese man?
>>738259132she sets them on fire when they try to leave, so yes
>>738271805What I said applies doubly to the humans due to the fact they don't have spoken dialogue, both Kris and Chara attract untold autism and flamewars. Frisk only avoids it due to not doing anything controversial in Undertale that isn't the player's fault.
>>738272392She only did that with Frisk, the anniversary stream confirmed it.
>>738272283Look at what you're typing anon.
>>738272392Toriel didn't try to stop any of the other kids by force. If she did, she would be dead.There is evidence that at least one of the previous kids threatened her to let them leave, with the fire pokers being filed down and no knives in the drawer.She let the other kids go on their own and has come to regret it because they have invariably been killed. That's why she intends to destroy the exit to the Ruins when Frisk starts saying they want to leave, she thinks it's hopeless and doesn't want to let any other kids go to their deaths, to not even give them a choice.
>>738268693Mate.You're describing like 5-10 minutes of unique content - sprinkled across a chapter that takes hours to complete.Everything around those altered scenes is identical to the standard route.That is jarring.Stones are dropped into the pond, but leave no ripples.In Undertale's genocide route, the consequences of your actions permeate your environment through every step of your journey.Deltarune simply does not achieve the same effect.The effects of rendering Berdly comatose or violating noelle are localized and isolated. Despite everything the overarching narrative marches along the same track as the standard route utterly unfazed.
>>738272289>I do not consider you an adult, or even really a human being, if you advocate CONSUMING your MEDIA/CONTENT like this, and I'm not going to continue this discussion that you are not mentally capable of having. You are not my peer, much less my equal.
>>738256434>>738256139millennials are pretty gayEven their clothes/styles are gay to this day. Everyone of my friends thought that my uncle was gay>>738269614And Austrians look like T*rks
>>738272109Oh my gosh are you fucking baiting me or something?How is this hard to understand? Anglo-Saxons in America have Anglican traditions in America. Irish, Italians, French, and Mexicans in America have Catholic traditions. Ulster-Scots in America have Presbyterian roots. How is this so hard for you to understand? If someone is Anglican and American they're most likely of Anglo-Saxon blood.
>>738272815>You're describing like 5-10 minutes of unique content - sprinkled across a chapter that takes hours to complete.>Everything around those altered scenes is identical to the standard route.>That is jarring.>Stones are dropped into the pond, but leave no ripples.
>>738272804Kinda wonder why she waited for a new kid to destroy the exit.
>>738272967Like I said earlier, she's guilty of falling into the same mindset as Asgore, hoping that another child never comes.
>>738272964How about you try actually using arguments instead of passive-aggressively green-texting?
>>738272680>no she only abused one kid so it's OK
>>738272815>Despite everything the overarching narrative marches along the same track as the standard route utterly unfazed.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D7ySqmpXko
>>738272950Anon, again I must ask, do you think anyone who defies tradition is executed on the spot? Do you think these traditions bind us tighter than chains of steel?"Most likely" means absolutely fuck-all.
Toriel being flawed is great, the issue is that UT never actually examines her flaws like it does with other major characters. in the text of the game, Toriel is never actually wrong or disputedthat's why Deltarune is superior in its writing of Toriel, she gets to actually be flawed in a way that matters
>>738273375Strictly speaking she hasn't been called out in deltarune yet either.
>>738251193you're so h*cking deep and mature
>>738273212How am I supposed to argue with>"the weird route doesn't change anything">here's how the weird route changes the Light World and Dark World and ending of Chapter 4>"uhhh okay it changes the light world story and the dark world story and the ending of the chapter, but the music doesn't get slower so it doesn't count.>"also I've arbitrarily reframed the argument to be about the number of Minutes of New CONTENT I can put in my Deltarune Chapter 4 Weird Route All Changes Youtube Compilation so you have to debate me in this framework and make 1:1 comparisons with a game that's 10x shorter."
>>738273437but at least we've gotten other characters give meaningful negative reactions to her actions instead of being implicitly the moral center of the game
what if ralsei has the final shadow crystal and we have to fucking kill him to get it
>>738274016I'm not a fan of Ralsei so I wouldn't be particularly troubled by that. I wouldn't go out of my way to kill him if there was a peaceful alternative. But I wouldn't be heartbroken about it if it was mandatory.
>>738273660>"also I've arbitrarily reframed the argument to be about the number of Minutes of New CONTENT I can put in my Deltarune Chapter 4 Weird Route All Changes Youtube Compilation That's really nothing arbitrary about looking about how much of the game is actually different. And you're having to go out of your way to think of the most retarded way to put it.
>>738272804Wait a minute... What if Deltarune is a sort of alternate universe where she succeeded in that? Like she stopped Asgore from murdering that last child and he just sort of chilled out over time and then things went back to somewhat normal and that's where the deltarune story picks up.
>>738274203>>738273660Can't you two see that you love each other? Just touch penises already and get it over with.
>>738274203>you're just putting it a retarded way, it's perfectly reasonable to judge how much is "really different" on a minute by minute basisNo. It sounds stupid the way it's being put because it is stupid.
>>738273237Everyone in-game abuses Frisk, she doesn't mind. Even Undyne jokes about it in the ending.
>>738274016I don't see Ralsei dying in an optional route.
I gotta step up my game. I usually Noelle post a lot more than this.
>>738274203Quantifying how much the story changes by literally counting words and minutes is both arbitrary and fucking moronic. Not making any attempt to value or engage with the actual material whatsoever, literally only valuing it as CONTENT/minute.There is absolutely nothing to be gained from engaging with someone who approaches a story like this, you are lower than a fucking ape.
>>738273250And this won't meaningfully alter the progression of the next chapter at all.There'll be some snippets of altered dialogue, a short scene or two slotted in somewhere - and then everything snaps back onto the same unfaltering storyline and remains as such for the remaining 90% of the chapter.These things you keep pointing to, I do not know how to explain it in simpler terms.They are narratively isolated, they will not impact the trajectory of the story.Its a sort of story-telling smoke-and-mirrors. Your choices won't impact anything.Do not be surprised when I am proven right.
>>738274332pants off for your daughter ma'am. what next?
>>738274480This thread barely had any waifuposts, just a good olf flamewar.
>>738274656You didn't do any of the neutral routes in the first game did you?
>the ending of a chapter is "narratively isolated"Never forget that these are the people you're forced to share a board with
>>738274919I'm just amazed that even years later these threads still hit bump limit in one day flat.
Me on the left.
>>738274656>It's a sort of story-telling smoke-and-mirrors.Like every game ever, you mean?>no Undertale didn't do thatRight, it just found an excuse to make no new regular combat encounters, minimal new music, and so on for the genocide route.
I thought your choices were supposed to matter in this game, but it's just... Sans making a phone call again?8 hours of rehashed gameplay for that?
>>738274332>Carol riding you until you're about to cum>She hops off and commands her daughter to get on and finish the jobI'm not even into the deer but the image possessed me.
>>738274337>No. It sounds stupid the way it's being put because it is stupid.No. >>738273660, wouldn't be saying shit like "Deltarune Chapter 4 Weird Route All Changes Youtube Compilation" if he didn't feel the need to spin it in a way to try and make it sound stupid.>>738274587>Quantifying how much the story changes by literally counting words and minutes is both arbitrary and fucking moronic.Good thing we're not "literally counting words" then and this is more of you trying to invent shit to try and spin a reasonable take in a way that sounds autistic. Why are you unable to argue honestly?
>>738274712Sorry Noelle, I'm too annoyed at stupid people on the internet to want to have sex with you right nowNo I'm not going to "smack you around a little" to blow off some steam, Jesus Christ, I don't care if you're into it
>>738275176Leaderless ending was even better than Genocide. Serves em right for tying to kill me. Fuckers.
>>738255520Because kris genuinely believes he doesn't deserve love or happiness he's gone into the plan with full intention to die.however slowly but surely he's being worn down on that intention, because susie doesn't make him feel guilty and at fault just for existing she makes him want to livealso he did at one point probably love noelle but because he feels like she should hate him for what he's done and is reminded of his guilt when interacting with her had distanced himself from herand since his parents divorce likely was caused by asgore obsessing for finding dess, kris also blames himself for that tooand I won't be surprised if kris blames himself for Rudy being sick and literally everything else wrong in his own life too
>>738275046Undertale and Deltarune have a strong presence in this board.
>>738275451Frisk doesn't care about being killed and you aren't her, though.
>>738275513Thats why the festival need to feature a Krusie date on a ferris wheel. It would awake Kris to actually reconsider betraying Susie and instead protecting her against the prophecy and the Knight and Carol. If he's just a dude sitting on a bench while Susie has a Suselle moment, then it's not really effective for Kris and players to care.
>>738275513Kris is one messed up boy I'll tell you that
>>738275451
>>738275280Acting like the difference in a route can be quantified by the contents of the game is inherently silly no matter your purpose. You complaining about the hypothetical involving youtube is not an argument.
>>738260759the only tranny is the guy posting charas to himself in every thread
>>738275905gotta give Toby some credit here seeing particular characters seethe in his games at your actions and making me enjoy hurting them is kind of lost in a lot of games
>>738276025You're too late schizo-kun, thread is at page 9 already.
lore implications?
>>738276146Nothing. If it's intentional it's another man and Gaster connection.
>>738275939>the difference in a route can be quantified by how much of the game is differentYes.
>>738276146Would imply there are no more egg rooms. But this is probably a coincidence.
>>738276146People need to stop connecting non existent dots
>>738276053I think I've said it before but one interesting difference between Genocide and the Weird Route (so far) is how Genocide pretty vocally confronts you about what you're doing from the start, while the Weird Route has largely left you to feel bad about what you're doing on your own
>>738276334It's already confirmed there's an egg room in 5, too.
>>738276347
>>738275905Literally the icing on the cake. I hated Sans with a burning passion from the moment I met him. Suffer skeleton bitch!
