What is the misinformation?
>>738258993Probably the he wasn't cucked because his gf already left him before she became a dyke.
bladdy benchods spread lies about the game saar
>>738258993Are journalists just making up controversies so the game can get *any* attention?
>>738259104That's been their go-to tactic for years
>>738258993>snoy here's another $50K make them shut up, Saaros is doing good!
>>738259063>It's not cucking because.....JUST BECAUSE CHUD!
>>738258993>unwillinglySaaros plz.
>>738258993Kenneth Shepard being a gay cuck from Kucktaku.
The only misinformation is the implication by Kotaku that /v/ identifies with the brownoid Jeet protagonist.>jeet brownoid cheats on his wife, like all brownoids do>wife fucks off for a few centuries>he, like any brownoid, decides he wants to forcefully get her back>but she got it on with some lesbian bitch whose fingers do a better job than a brownoid Jeet micropeckerBrownoid cucked himself.Story as old as time.Also the author is a dumbshit looney troon.
>>738258993>you see, you're misinformed, our game was actually developed by finns, not dirty smelly jeets. We would never hire such subhumansKinda mean of sony I'd say
>>738259063lol is that a thing?
Why Sony games always have dykes or are about dykes but never have gay men?
>>738259573Yeah, see >>738259167
>>738258993The title has two 'a's in it.
>>738259167>vaguely resembles the lie, twisted amd distorted>is literally exactly what they describeIs this writer fucking retarded?
>>738259598>Why Sony games always have dykesHonestly don't know.Best theory I can go for is that fiction and fantasy are the only settings where dykes behave and aren't statistically the most abusive relationship of all categories in existence, trailblazing ahead of the 2nd place.
>>738260004No, Jewish. This is pretty normal for that demographic and I can't even really be mad at him because it's just how they all are.
>>738259197>leftist game journo Kenneth Shepardnow that you mention it, I recognize that name.
>>738259598>Why Sony games always have dykes or are about dykesThey want to be gay and think lesbians are more socially acceptable, the lube to prepare for Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 tier gayness.
>>738259167So this same thing definitely happened to the author and they're in denial, right?
>>738258993The MC is not gay. He's bisexual and trans.
>>738259167>>738258993>>738259249I GET that since it's based on cthulu shit it can't be played straight as a story, but why add the bit about her finding a new lover at the end?She's been living as a God in some eldritch fucking timeloop for centuries, she should be a completely bonkers batshit nonhuman as far as minds go. She shouldn't even be recognizably HUMAN in outlook anymore. Why does she have 'a lover'? Or if she does, she shouldn't remember the protagonist AT ALL, or her mortal life.It should be like rolling up on a greek goddess being like 'i'm here to rescue you!' and they respond in 12 dead languages, confused and wondering why this mortal thing is talking to them.
>>738259167>>738260004>>738260487I mean, technically this isn't getting 'cucked'. This is straight up being dumped and your Ex decides to give up on men entirely because of you. 'Cucked' implies there was still a relationship to defile, she kicked his deadbeat ass to the curb. So the Kotaku-cuck is TECHNICALLY correct.
>>738258993that women are evil, he had it coming.but for real though, lesbian, diverse goddesses? wtf were they thinking?
>>738258993That it's a good game
>>738259167EYE did it better
>>738259598Lesbians are always the safe version of faggotry.
This game and Returnal made me realize that the roguelike genre isnt really a good format for telling psycological horror/suffering stories. Trying to get a powerful build and blasting through enemies over and over again with fantastical weapon combinations doesnt really lend itself well to a story of "oh man I'm such a piece of shit trudging through this endless hell of my own creation constantly haunted by the spectres of my past."These games are well made and fun but I dont really want to keep playing them. If you want to tell a story like this make a survival horror game or a walking sim, leave the roguelikes to dopamine-farming slot machine sounds and visuals.
>Deboooooonked>It's the same shitFunny how they are sticklers for "actually the word means:"
>>738260367there werent any lesbians in uncharted you mexican idiotwell I don't know about Nadine, but Chloe Frazer wasn't lesbian at all, she was literally screwing both Drakes AND Sully
>>738258993>Make main character a Jeet>Unwillingly drafted Yeah fucking right
>>738259167what's the point of making the main character a loser who gets nothing in the end?if you want to portray him as a bad person, at least have the guts to let the bad person win, kek
Shit,it's Human Revolution all over again??
>>738259104Well yeah. I mean when the "source" is a random Twitter post the entire article is shit they made up
>>738261770Men bad.
They should have waited until the DLC to go woke like The Last of Us if they wanted to be successful.
>>738258993>Jeet Gate
>>7382617012 women together is boring Calling them dykes is a complimentNone of those characters have any real chemistryEven actual faggots would give something to talk yes I am being serious There's literally nothing to these characters or their dynamic between each other
Sir shouldve stayed with his bf he would be happier
i get that Playstation is nu-nu-/v/'s sworn mortal enemy or whatever but>posting screencaps of shitaku articles
>>738259104imagine spending 300 million dollars on yet another flop, but just imagine that this is not even the first flop - its more like the 5th. you and me cannot really waste 300 m dollars, hell even 30m would be enough for me to start buying anything i want and still be rich as a pig, but imagine wasting 300m and imagine wasting 300m not once but like 5 times.
>>738262051>$300 million budgetwhy would you say something so patently false?what compels you to say something like that?
>>738258993>>738259104>>738259167>>738261770>>738261812>>738261718I know this comment is gonna be wasted on 4chan of all places, but I think there's an actual discourse to be had about this effect, and a consistent 'failure' of story telling and game design that has happened repeatedly. The bone I have to pick with it has nothing to do with woke, the color of the protagonist, lesbians, or whatever. My problem with this kind of game design is the same problem I had with Braid, the same problem I had with Spec Ops: The Line, it's the same problem I had with YIIKVideogames are NOT films. Films are a passive, third person form of storytelling. Videogames are an interactive, first person form of story telling. What does that mean? In films, the story is told to you, from an external perspective. Even if the film is following a certain characters viewpoint, we are an audience WATCHING that characters experiences. Videogames are different - whatever form they take, you are almost always controlling/experiencing the game through that character.This changes the audiences perspective immensely. You go from WATCHING the events, to EXPERIENCING the events. This is not to say, you absolutely MUST have direct perspective. But in all but the most extreme examples of linear storytelling where the narrative is seperate from the actual game, the audience cannot help but in some way identify with the main character. On at least some minute level, they are you, you are they. Your experiences through them are your experiences with the game. You become a part of that story.
>>738262340E33 does this well by making you start as gustave and giving you the perspective of the painted people.
>>738258993>shitstorm (blah blah insert jeet poop joke here) about a new ‘major’ release is apparently so bad that major gaming news outlets (you dont have to agree, but its true) have to spoiler the whole story of a ‘story-driven game’ days after release to attempt to assuage it.Even if I was considering getting it, why would I do so now when you just told me the whole plot?Having a blast yet?
>>738258993/v/ feels this studio is too white.
>>738262340>>738262447This is why there's so much FIGHTING over the identity of 'main characters'. Why things like gender and race and the ability to self project come up and are such fodder for arguing. People are different, and everyone has different levels of being able to sublimate into a character. Certain things might pull an audience member right out of the experience, and this creates dissonance between it and the playerThe problem arises when you bait and switch the audience, subvert their experiences. When you go through an experience with a character, and then there's a 'gotcha' that completely changes the tone and intention - that reflects back onto the audience. 'Braid' did this with 'she was running away from you all along', and it was meme'd on then. Spec Ops the Line is notorious for directly blaming the player for the events of the game, even past the 4th wall. YIIK is famous for how much peoples dislike of the protagonist shaped their inability to connect with the game itself.This jerks the player out of the game. It insults them, personally and directly. It's not rational on any level, but if the storytelling has done it's job, it's been woven into the gameplay itself and thus directly into the activities of the player. In the case of Saaros, this is effectively revealing to the audience that YOU, the player, were an abusive husband and your wife ran away from you to have sesbian lex with a black woman in an infinite time loop.It's ultimately self defeating, because if you actually did your job and told the story well, then the audience can't help but be pulled out of the experience and feel dissonance if not dissatisfaction with the events. People, feeling attacked, push back against the game and it's narrative. Suddenly the experience is adversarial, and the things you ENJOYED about the game up to that point have been soured by association. It can quite literally ruin the entire game.
>>738262583buncha fat retards i love helsinki
The only misconceptions being spread are that the woman the wife became a lesbian for is the black lady you sometimes see in screenshots posted, it isn't, the lesbian is dead in the game and never shown and from finland.I also don't think arjun was cheating on her with a man like some think
>>738259167>Men cheating is fine>Women cheating makes her an evil whore who just wants to punish men for existingThis is why you folk will never have girlfriends.
>>738262316does Sony even makes money on game sales ?
>>738262051watch out!!!!
>>738262791Forcing normies to play as a villainous male to "teach them a lesson" is peak woke nonsense. This game needs to step up and out itself before people buy it in good faith. The woke have no good faith and can't imagine providing it
>>738262340>I know this comment is gonna be wasted on 4chan of all placesDunno why you'd think that, I read similar comments plenty of times here.You take control of the character and guide their decisions (for as much as the game allows, but even when it's linear, it's still you carrying out the decisions).Even if you do not identify with the character, you still made those things happen.To then end it on a >Well, fuck you ChudMC, you are a bad person and you deserve nothingis retarded.
>>738262791>Men cheating is fineWho are you quoting?
>>738262590>>738263110>>738263009SAAROS has a perfectly fine story. It'd work great as a film. The problem is as a game, it hits too many dissonance triggers. And as a AAA big media, budgets are so high it simply cannot afford to not vibe with the mass audience. It outsmarts itself, smugs at the audience, and the audience simply won't have it. It's depressing for some to think of, but time and time and time again we see that the bulk mass media audience doesn't WANT these kind of narratives. They want something engaging, digestible, and comforting. This is because most people engage with media as a form of escapism, to relieve their tensions from life. From an artistic perspective you can poo-poo that as a dead end, but a videogame is packaged media. You cannot escape the business side of the equation.I feel it's just an unnecessary self own. A few simple changes alleviates the problems. Instead of Arjun being an emotionally abusive alcoholic spouse who cheats on his wife, he can be a controlling father, and Nitya his daughter who ran away to live her own life. This reshapes the narrative in a way where the player feels less culpable and villainous while still keeping the same general ethos of the story - a flawed and possessive man chases someone to the ends of the universe only to find they have moved on. Now, people will debate on the merits - was Arjun a bad father or just overly protective? Was Nitya right to run away? Would her life in 'the real world' have been better than the strange centuries she endures on the foreign planet?Making the MC an abusive husband chasing his ex just defacto slots him as a villain. There's a lot less sympathizing with that. Making him a cheater is just doubling down - Arjun is a bad person, and you the player are bad by proxy. Some will call this surprise dissonance thought provoking and make the game more enjoyable for them because it's something unexpected to reckon with. Others will reject it outright and hate it for it
>>738258993>Kotaku
>>738259598https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/RxHT6N3lov6yENlemPggpgyou will never be white, farquaad
>>738263152people wouldn't have a problem with playing the villain and making him do objectively horrible things if they knew what they are getting into.like you said, it's the gotcha shit that pisses them off.and it's not even smart gotcha shit where you let the audience mislead itself through their preconceptions, it's them telling story A, and then telling you only at the end that they actually hid relevant information from you that you couldn't have figured out on your own in advance and actually it's story B, fuck younone of that is clever, it's just insulting and makes people feel like their time was spitefully wasted (because it was)you have to be a good writer to pull of something like that and make the audience basedface at it when they realize the truth, and most modern writers suck ass
>>738263430making people feel like their time was wasted is another thing, yes. This brings us to Mass Effect 3, where the lack of a satisfying catharsis and denouement effectively crashed and burned three games of effort. For a more zoomie example, Game of Thrones terribly written final season. Subversion endings run a strong risk of completely invalidating everything done by the creators, no matter how long or much it's been worked on.
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>lol he got cucked >ANTIWOKE BACKLASH AND CULTURE WAR AAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>738261016The King in Yellow references feel very surface level, like I don't really get the point of them in this game
>>738263623if you want a more general example, you can also take any romance story where the girl is suddenly revealed to be a slut halfway through.people don't mind those characters in general, pic related is portrayed as a massive slut from the first moment and she was one of the most popular girls in the show (even if not a romance story).if she had been portrayed as the shy maiden who only later on reveals she's been heavily run through, people would have hated her.dunking on your audience and insulting them by proxy is just always a bad idea. you can easily have plot twists, but they should still follow the same trajectory.if you advertise your game as some guy going on a quest to try and find his wife, the game really shouldn't end on >you're an alcoholic, wife-beating cheater and she was right to forget about you
>>738262590>Serbian lexKek
>>738264052I feel like some implication that all is not as it seems and Arjun is not noble is implied/runs through everything, what catches people off guard is what a flat and unuanced bastard he is. Like he's not even complex he's just a drunk deadbeat.
>>738258993For example I haven't seen any chud mention the highly innovative poo mechanics and how you level up in the loo
>>738259167Yep /v/ lied to me and created a fake controversy by dropping the important parts.
>>738264126>SesbianFUCK
>>738261016Because tumblr can't write for shit. You've done more thinking about Human psychology in one day than these retards, whose actual career it is to write, have in their lifetime.
>>738264052>>you're an alcoholic, wife-beating cheater and she was right to forget about youSilent Hill did it right.
Good morning Saaros
>>738262340>Videogames are different - whatever form they take, you are almost always controlling/experiencing the game through that character. This changes the audiences perspective immensely. You go from WATCHING the events, to EXPERIENCING the eventsAs long as they game makes it obvious from the get go you're not the character and that you're not *meant* to sympathize with the character, there's no issue with this. Joel in Last of Us 2 doesn't work because the narrative tells you he's an ass but players like him 'til the end. Walker works in Spec Ops because the player is presented from the initial credits as a witness, not the architect of Walker's choices, and the entire game hammers home hard how utterly fucked the entire situation becomes.
>>738259063How about not putting any homo shit in the game at all?
>>738260194What a repugnant creature. It almost seems like a fitting punishment that his 'career' only amounts to writing softcore porn articles about T&A in video games.
>>738265670why?
>>738265608>This shit againWe just had an entire thread about spec ops where you parrot that shit, it falls flat on its face by the mere existence of the loading screen in that game and what the devs said. Spec ops fails entirely with what its trying to do.
>>738264769young adult fiction is also a perfect example for it. 90% of the books have the exact same tropes and non-existent plot because it's just a creatively incestual group of people who wrote the same fanfiction slop online somehow getting publishing deals
>>738262340Gaming is very simple.If it's a narrative experience where players are playing a specific named character, players want to play as someone heroic, attractive and idyllic.If it's a sandbox experience where players make their own character, players want to play as whatever fulfills the fantasy of the character they created.The problem is that western developers do not want to make heroic, attractive and idyllic characters for their narrative experiences, which automatically turns off what audiences are looking for in a video game narrative experience.Kotor, Mass Effect, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Dispatch, etc. these games work because the player is allowed to make their own moral decisions which actively engage the player.The vast majority of gamers do not want to be FORCED to play an unlikable and pathetic protagonist in a narrative experience.They want agency over their actions.There's no way to play God of War Ragnarok and TLOU2 without Kratos and Abby being unlikable and pathetic.You cannot change Kratos and Abby's behavior because it's not the narrative experience the developers wanted to give to the players.In Baldur's Gate 3, you can play as the Dark Urge, and completely give into your desire to be a killing machine. Or you can completely play against it, and be a repentant and repressive Dark Urge who eventually frees themselves.In Kotor, you can completely restart your life after living as a Sith Lord, and truly have an opportunity to save the universe. Or, you can instead double down on being a Sith, and eventually your selfish desires corrupts your companions and you are forced to strike them down.In Saros' case, the good ending and bad ending are both negative, neither one of them are ideal, and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth of players who feel its a game trying to lecture them instead of giving them any true control over the narrative experience. Saros is a miserable game, and it does not warrant the play time.
>returnal's twist is that the entire game she was coming to terms with her own mortality>SAARos's twist is that his ex became a lesbianHOLY FUCKING KEK
>>738265817I haven't talked about Spec Ops on /v/ for at least a year you absolute schizo.
>>738265981Spec ops directly chastises the player and not just walker, point still stands and what the other anon said also explains why shit like that game falls flat on its face.
>>738266139>Spec ops directly chastises the playerBut that's wrong and gay. You're not Walker, you're not presented as Walker, you're not meant to feel bad for Walker's choices, and a loading screen leading players to ask themselves the nature of the warlike games popular at the time that Spec Ops was alluding to doesn't magically turn the player into and responsible for Walker.>explains why shit like that game falls flat on its faceBut Spec Ops resonated pretty damn well in most everyone that played it and has done so for 15 years.
>>738266139>also explains why shit like that game falls flatAnon literally everyone outside of certain /v/ 'tards likes Spec Ops. This idea of people triple guessing the story and thinking the game is shitting on them is uniquely a contrarian /v/ thing
>>738258993>Saar, do not redeem misinfo, game is about white hindu man, he is not cuc k, do the needful and buy game
Is there a way to skip story segments completely in this game?I enjoyed 'gameplay' parts of returnal, but whole story part made me drop the game.
>game is centered around the sun being eclipsed>ex-girlfriend is constantly analogized as the sun>eclipse is her getting with the niggerit's like poetry
>>738258993saar (blessed by god) os is a redeemful game
Spec Ops features Nolan North's single best VA performance. Pretty neat game.
>>738258993People are saying that he is getting cucked by his wife, but actually it doesn't count because she broke up with him before getting with a black lesbian. That's the actual article.
>>738258993people don't like the game, but the one's who write my checks say that can't be true.
>>738262791>Men cheating is fine>Women cheating makes her an evil whoreyes, glad you understand. Men and women are different. The man should obviously include his first woman and make it a harem. No need to hide (women love that you’re desirable).
>>738258993you tell me, you read the article mr mc faggot
>>738262051No corpo could survive such failures, except if they exist on tax money, so these games are government sponsored and will never be good
I’m going to make a video about this game, what should I talk about?
>>738267717Gameplay, pacing, level design, how shit the story is and how the game doesnt respect your time.
>>738267717can Sony make GOOD games for once?
>>738258993it's not a gay cuck game pls do be redeeming the game saaarrr
>>738258993>unwillinglyDid the team have the story forced upon them? Does the "everything is political" motto of the industry and their academic and activist culture warrior allies only apply when there's no pushback? Pick a lane and own it.
>>738262791But she wasn't cheating, she broke up with him. That's the end of the relationship.
>>738258993That George Saros is behind the game
>>738259167>it's true, but-Oh, ok.
>>738259598When a bunch of women writers all get in a room the one thing they all agree on is that men are bad and icky and stupid. And this is a socially acceptable position to have so well mannered and obviously liberal (not even a pejorative, very few creatives are chuds) men won't push back on it. Then when they want to write a new relationship they want to remove the icky men from the equation.
>>738258993>culture warWhat culture war?
>>738270186These people live in a delusional state of mind where not buying a product is an act of protest.
>>738259167>Your ex-GF dating someone else after you break up is cucking>but if you date a women who ever dated someone else, you're also a cuckIt never makes sense
>>738258993People are mistakenly saying the game is good.
>>738262340>On at least some minute level, they are you, you are they. Your experiences through them are your experiences with the game. You become a part of that story.very well written, but no. self insert immersionfags are subhuman. while these bugs do contribute a lot to market share, it doesnt make them less wrong for being faggots.
>>738261770Silent Hill 2 did that too, and it's considered one of the greatest games ever made (not by me, SH1 holds that title)
>>738258993talking about misinformation then calling game a roguelike, the irony is plapable.
>>738262340I agree with this except I also have a problem with the story being gigawoke faggotry. I don't know why they made a game where you PLAY AS mr. cheater and reward you, even in the best ending (i.e. where the player puts in the most effort) with an outcome that nobody would actually consider desirable and a reward for their (the player's) effort. I'm not even necessarily talking about identifying with the player character because you play as him, but identifying with yourself as the person who did play as him - you're the one putting in the effor t to get the 'good' ending, after all. But it sounds like they wrote this story without thinking about the fact that it's supposed to be a reward for the player performing well at the game. If they desperately had to write a lesbian cuck fanfic they could've at least made it so that doing well at the gameplay side results in the player character reconciling with his child or something, some positive outcome that's better than what happens in the bad ending and actually feels like a reward for the player's hard work.
videogames?
>>738258993Can we un-subvert demsel and distress trope and start making games where MC saves the girl and lives happily ever after with her in the end?
>>738270702I'm just here doing nothing and you are getting all mad at me.
