I just don't like the combat. Zelda 1 felt super satisfying dealing with multiple enemies at once, avoiding hazards, prioritizing different enemies and focusing on spacing. Then Zelda 2 comes along and is just standard boring side-scroller shit, you have a little tiny wimpy sword, you only really ever fight one enemy at a time, most enemies can just be jumped over or bypassed, the hitboxes can be pretty awful at times, and they have the forced RPG mechanics now where you have to focus on staying at the exact right level to not make the game too easy or too hard.Also Zelda 1 had way more satisfying exploration, you could actually discover items and upgrades, you could actually buy shit, it felt satisfying finding hidden shops and rupees and shit, meanwhile Zelda 2 is just endless mindless farming of enemies.Genuinely I think it requires a certain type of NPC/low functioning autism mindset to be able to enjoy Zelda 2, meanwhile Zelda 1 just has such an incredible sense of adventure and discovery combined with simple, but very intuitive and challenging combat system.
>>738259883Same reason every generation praised it,
Didn't read, zoomer here, i just think the movement is very fun, but i don't really enjoy other Zelda games so maybe it's that
What do you think motivates OP to keep making posts about games that filtered him?
>>738259883Good Zelda games started at ALTTP and ended at Skyward Sword. Any other opinions is just a showcase of your own retardation.
>>738260120>beat game on original hardware >think it's decent but nowhere near as good as the first game and substantiate my opinion>YOU ARE LE FILTERED!!! XDWhat causes this mental retardation?
>>738260247You clearly are filtered though. Nobody goes onto multiple boards and cries endlessly about the same games because they found them easy.
>>738260361I am talking about the quality of the game, not the difficulty... or do you think the only reason that someone could ever not like a game is because it's too hard and they got filtered, in which case... you are one dumb motherfucker.
>>738260456You are bitching the same way you've bitched before about this game, which is in a way that makes it exceptionally obvious you were filtered. Because you have autism you don't understand this fact, but people can clearly tell when it's the same low IQ autist whining over and over again.
>>738259883>I just don't like the combat.Skill issue
>>738260456It is more believable that you got filtered, why else would you be a windbag?
Zelda 2 has been favorite since 2004 when I finally sat down & beat it. Yeah its got some tedious enemies & jank but its the only zelda that feels like a grand adventure & not a guided tour
>>738259883I never see anyone praise it, it's very underrated.
>>738260650Calling out flaws and substantiating an opinion on a game is not "bitching", and I had already beat the game on original hardware before I even said anything about it. Try again.>>738260765More believable to who? You? A delusional autistic retard fanboy who refuses to accept that their contrarian pick game isn't actually that good? Additionally, The "challenge" is almost entirely the obtuse progression and being underleveled. The combat is unforgiving with a moderately high skill floor but very low skill ceiling; it's extremely shallow once you learn the basics. There is only one of like four tactics that you will use for every given enemy in the game, and they all require very low execution skill, so combat becomes very formulaic. And since every combat encounter is such a segmented 1v1 with little consideration for other enemies or the environment, you will never have to deviate from those tactics and will rarely ever face unique and dynamic situations. Not to mention bosses are pushovers with very limited and predictable movesets, and the magic system encourages you to use fairy magic to skip and completely bypass huge portions of levels.It also has basically no replay value as the combat is so shallow and one-dimensional with no other difficulty modes, builds, playstyles, or Second Quest.
>>738261341>I had already beat the game on original hardware before I even said anything about it.Erm post clears or it didn't happen. You clearly didn't actually play it.
>>738259883>muh zoomers muh zoomers muh zoomerswhy is this fucking board like this? think for yourself
Shitlennials are the fucking worst and need to be systematically culled.>any opinion different than yours?! call them a zoomer or boomer!Kill yourself.>>738260247You didn't play originally because you're a fuckstick that presumes any like of the game is zoomer revisionism. If you didn't start your shit thread with such a shit mindset, you wouldn't be obviously filtered.>>738261341>A delusional autistic retard fanboy who refuses to accept that their contrarian pick game isn't actually that good?Massive projection; just because someone might have a differing opinion doesn't mean it is a "contrarian pick", because that implies motivations on like that are based around other opinions. Also usually for autistic behavior, the inability to consider others have their own opinions is prominent; so why are you calling others autistic when you're mad to the core of differing opinions to your own?
>>738259883>Zoomer thisayo wtf this game sucks like wdym, this was fun in the vacuum doing nothing but to actually play the game it's not fun
>>738262404>I'm not like the other zoomers, I am a contrarian faggot who claims to love Zelda 2 after playing it on NSO with rewinds and with a guide on youtubeNotice how not a single fucking person in this thread even addresses a single point in OP, it's just regurgitation of the same 70 IQ "le filtered!!" drivel
kass game
>>738263072The reason nobody engages with your tard rants is because it's so obvious you're beneath even the average /v/ user.
>>738263072I'm 47 years old you shitllenial crybaby, kill yourself with your ironic off-site jibberjabber.
>>738263163>well substantiated and level-headed critique through playing the game on original hardware without outside influence from someone who is white, 130+ IQ and has extensive gaming experience (beat 1000+ games)vs.>KILL YOURSELF>FUCKSTICK>OBVIOUSLY FILTEREDYeah, I'm definitely the one on a tard rant here lmao
>>738263163Nta, but address his points, unlike the average /v/ mongoloid/Indian then.
>>738260456Don't worry anon, he's not trying to argue in good faith. Just call him a niggerfaggot and move on.
>average Zelda 2 haterI kneel...
>>738263607This site also says DSP is a genius based on his old game reviews. It appears to be reversing the results.
It's too hardThe diverging paths in the dungeons are cannoying e.g. you may have taken the wrong path when you need a key from the other
>>738263429Half the shit in the OP is made up or an over-exaggeration. Anyone remotely intelligent isn't going to fall for it. This board is actually too smart for his baiting, now that is sad.
>>738263856>Half the shit in the OP is made up or an over-exaggerationIs this what you do when confronted with something that challenges your autistic worldview?
>>738263952No it's me pointlessly attempting to explain to you why everyone just laughs when you post.
>>738264090Zelda 2 fanboys barely qualify as human, they aren't even capable of forming an intelligent thought to be able to respond to anything in OP.
The revisionism on the NES Zeldas is really strange. People act like they're some long lost treasures of game design when they're bested by every Zelda game that came after them. Hating on BotW and TotK in 2026 is the same as hating on OoT and FF7 in the 90s/early-00s. There's no actual basis to it, it's just people trying to appear like they have more taste by denying that the popular thing is good.
>>738264219BOTW / TOTK aren't even real Zelda games. It's just modern westoid open world sloppa.
>>738264296Is this the part where you pretend it's the same as Ubisoft-style open worlds, ignoring the fact that it's deliberately the opposite?
>>738261341>contrarian pick gameI'm pretty sure Zelda 2 over Zelda 1 was the contrarian pick as far as video game historian consensus goes. Unless there are some faggy mental gymnastics at work, do you have intestinal parasites you haven't told your doctor about?
>>738264553Illiterate or responding to the wrong post?
>>738263718Cute pauper.
>>738264872The latter. You shills are obviously given different scripts while on the same agenda. I don't know what else to do with my free time.
>>738259883Zelda 2 is cool. I like how fluid link fights.I don't think it's the best in the series, or even the best 2D. But I like it more than the game that came before and after it.
>>738265416Liking it more than ALttP is just insane, and ALttP is a low-tier top-down Zelda. Zelda II isn't a good game in general, let alone a good Zelda game. Play Faxanadu or any of the sidescrolling Ys games if you want Zelda II but good.
>>738259883i'd be surprised if even 1 person in this entire thread could finish zelda 1 or zelda 2
>>738265584There's the brainlet contrarian hot take, was waiting for it.
>>738259883its nes botw.
>>738259883I assume that Nintendo felt that they couldn’t expand on the original Zelda enough to justify a sequel done in the same style and I respect that they tried something completely different. Broth games are hard and vague, but the 2nd one just requires to much backtracking and god forbid you lose on the way to opening up a section, but even with the the combat is fun and the lore expansion is cool. I honestly want their to be proper remakes of these games, but save states do a decent enough job of ironing out the old school Nintendo hard problems that are there
>>738265829Pretending Zelda II is a good game when it is one of the worst in its subgenre of 2D action RPGs even on the same console is the brainlet take. The game fucking sucks.
>>738265945Nah, it's evidently great. The evidence? This very thread. The fact the number 1 contrarian brainlet retard hates it, that alone is proof of its greatness. Not even joking.
>>738265584LTTP is just an ok Zelda game to me. Like it's not bad. But there are certainly better 2D Zelda games, like the Capcom games. Even comparing it to it's contemporaries, ot doesn't have standout jank like Zelda 1/2 had, and as far as being revolutionary or interesting it gets mogged by OoT and MM. Plus I always liked the feel of Zelda 2 more. It sounds crazy but its combat has always felt very intense to me. Because of the short range, you are always bobbing and weaving trying to get past shields. But thanks for the recommendations. Ys is a series I've always heard of but never played. Which would you recommend?
>>738265584>Liking it more than ALttP is just insanetrue>and ALttP is a low-tier top-down Zeldawooooah, no fucking way. ALTTP is still the peak.
ALTTP is literally in contention for best 16 bit vidya ever made along with Super Metroid.
>>738266298Ys III is the most Zelda-II like one, most of them are top-down. Faxanadu and Legacy of the Wizard are other NES games that play sort of similar to it.>>738266318LA had a better story, better music, better dungeon designs, and better items on way weaker hardware, and all the Capcom Zeldas also mog it (except maybe Minish Cap because it has so much filler).
I think zelda 2 has some neat ideas and it's a shame it hasn't really been iterated on. I think a lot of problems with the combat could also be alleviated by just making your sword like 1 or 2 pixels longer lmao
>and all the Capcom Zeldas also mog it This is how you know you're dealing with a truly mindless contrarian who doesn't even play games.
>>738266482Terranigma is better.
>>738266482It's alright but it's hardly all that. If we're complaring every 16 bit game. There's Super Metroid, but there's also four Castlevania games and a few dozen really solid RPGs. It's biggest advantage is that most games that even tried to play liie it adopted more RPG mechanics while it went more for puzzles and items.
>>738266586>Ys III is the most Zelda-II like one, most of them are top-down.Thanks. I bought Origins over a decade ago because I heard you can bang the main villain's sister, but I never got around to it. Speaking on Falcom games, is Popful Mail any good? It keeps appearing in my YouTube recommendations.Also I like Minish Cap. I won't pretend it's up there with the others but it's main hub town probably is a comf only surpassed by clock town
>>738266586No system with a screen res 1/4 the size, 1/3rd the buttons, only 4 colors, and weaker than an NES is making a better Zelda game than ALTTP.It's good for the hardware, but it still pales in comparison to ALTTP
>>738259883I'm a zoomer. I played the game around the same time I played the original Zelda when I was a kid, and since I watched a lot of videos about the Zelda games on youtube the only thing I had been exposed to was people talking about how it was total shit and the worst in the series by far. At best it was called an interesting misstep that was corrected by Link to the Past. So, when I played it, I was very shocked to find I really liked it, and while I never beat it then (I was around 11) I did eventually pick it back up later on and beat the whole thing, and I maintain the same opinion as I did back then. It's a really solid basic ARPG, I find the combat to be a lot of fun and I like the small interactions you have with the villagers. I've never used a guide with the game, and I enjoy having to figure things out in the world based on what few clues the villagers give you. I like the sense of scale that it lends to Hyrule, and exploring the dungeons can be extremely tense and force you to make tough decisions, especially at low levels. It's not my favorite Zelda but it's up there
OoT is the GOAT and Zelda 2 was always a piece of shit that was acceptable to skip or never having beat as a diehard Zelda fan. Anything contrary is faggot revisionism.
>>738259883modern emulators allow you to ignore the actual bullshit of Zelda 2
>>738267197>is Popful Mail any good?It's a fun and charming game, definitely worth a play. It's different on each console, Sega CD version is probably the best.>>738267386>muh grafxTurns out resolution doesn't prevent good game design. LA expands on ALttP's gameplay in pretty much every conceivable way while having a way more interesting world and characters. Ways it improves ALttP:>item combos>manual shielding>jumping>2D platforming segments that add to the gameplay variety>each dungeon has its own music>a story that is more interesting and less generic than "defeat evil pig man">pixel-art cutscenes with multiple styles (superdeformed and chibi)>trading quest>more sidequests in general>each dungeon has a miniboss>multi-floor dungeons are expanded upon (nothing in ALttP is as intricate as Eagle Tower)The fact that it's doing all this with less pixels to work with is just a point in its favor, really.
>>738259883since when did zoomers like this game? it fucking sucks>>738263072>bl.jpgkek
>>738268194You really love listing things. Must be an autism thing.
>>738259883The only faggy thing about it is that P bags help you out a lot and if you die before leveling up, you've wasted it and they don't respawn, but ultimately that's on you. The game is otherwise well designed and mechanically functional, although it is the weakest of the pre-2000 Zelda titles, largely due to its deviation from the first game's style which, ironically, made it feel more derivative of other side-scroller actions at the time.
it's an interesting approach to the typical action based sidescroller, more adventure focus and heavy physics based movement. those could definitely make it stand out to zoomers even if the overall design is a bit unpolished/jank.
>>738268194>a bunch of gay gimmicks and filler to try to compensate for being on a potato with a quarter the screen size, two buttons, and four colorsvs.>actual fun and competent combat with top-notch dungeon designs and memorable enemy designs and bossfights
>>738268194>Turns out resolution doesn't prevent good game design. It does though, which is why ALTTP is universally regarded as the better game, even in spite of people giving LA pity brownie points for doing so much with so little
>>738268509>expanding core mechanics like movement, shielding, equipping and using items>gimmicksIt's obvious you have never played the game. ALttP is only so highly regarded because of graphicsfags who assume that since it was on the GameBoy it's just worse by default. The only top-down Zelda worse than ALttP is Zelda 1.
>>738268509A game being simpler in mechanics doesn't make it worse. Sometimes simply can mean simply better.
>>738259883hated it as a kid because it was too hard but replayed and finished it as an adult and while it's very flawed it's also very bold experiment and grew on me. And the combat is satisfying to master. I think its biggest flaw is that it's too hard at the beginning when you have no healing magic then too easy when you have healing+tons of mana or whatever the resources were i cant recall exactly
>>738268826>expanding the need to equip itemsThat's literally the worst part of Link's Awakening lol.
>>738268995>having 2 item slots is worse than just 1You open the menu more in ALttP.
>>738268861To a certain degree, but there is a bare minimum needed to achieve what you would like for a game. And a complex and long RPG adventure with only four colors, two buttons, and a screen size 1/4 that of the already tiny NES is well beyond that limit and is negatively impacting the game. LA's atmosphere, graphics, artstyle, controls, combat are nowhere near ALTTP, and that's why it relies on a bunch of shitty gimmicks. >>738268826Cope, LA fanboys are peak contrarian hipster fags.
>>738269035>having 2 item slots is worse than just 1When your sword is now an item and blocking is an item, yes.>You open the menu more in ALttP.You clearly didn't play either game.
>>738259883Zoomers don't like NES games. You're thinking of millennials.
>>738269086>When your sword is now an item and blocking is an item, yes.Have you considered using other weapons than just your sword?
>>738266694Terranigma, while good, is unbalanced. You can hit a level threshold (most likely vs Bloody Mary and the final boss) where you are doing 1 damage per hit then gain a level or two and you're doing decent damage. The level scaling of damage was not properly thought out.
>>738267631>I'm a zoomerOpinion discarded. Fuck off back to Zoomcraft and Zoomblox. you good for nothing nigger.
>>738269235Like what? Anyone who has actually played the game knows about the item switching. Stop discussing games you haven't played.
>>738259883Miyamoto just said Zelda II was a mistake, maybe is just another case of zoomers being contrarian
>>738259883Didn't /vr/ give you enough (you)s?
>>738269074I don't know anon, maybe it's just because I'm used to it. But there are a lot of RPGs on gameboy I like. Like the Final Fantasy Legends games. And recently I tried the gbc mario tenis and enjoyed it. But I understand if this sounds like goalpost moving because I'm comparing a turnbased rpg to a an action game like zelda.
>>738269367The bow can replace the sword in most circumstances and is more versatile. Even if you permanently have your sword equipped, you still have the same number of slots as ALttP, since it only had one slot.
>>738268194>a story that is more interesting and less generic than "defeat evil pig man"And also suitably less epic in scope.
>>738269520>Even if you permanently have your sword equipped, you still have the same number of slots as ALttP, since it only had one slot.Yeah except now you need to switch to a bracelet to lift things up, or block, or use the newly added jump, or do absolutely anything at all in the game. You'd know this if you played the game.
>>738269035I didn't. LA is designed around switching equip setups a lot which is why they let you remove the sword, while ALTTP's design tended to focus more on one side item for longer.
>>738269074>LA's atmosphere, graphics, artstyle, controls, combat are nowhere near ALTTPThat's fucking hilarious and shows you know nothing about any of those things. ALttP is one of the ugliest games Nintendo has ever made, and easily the ugliest Zelda game. The spritework is fucking awful and there is no cohesive art style to speak of. Link's Awakening has a much more cohesive aesthetic and uniform style to its spritework while being much easier to read. You don't run into infamous situations like the Agahnim sprite that half of players misread when playing ALttP with LA, because the sprites are simply better designed. If you throw in the GBC version, it has better colors than ALttP as well, because despite having less colors to work with, the color choices are better. A great deal of ALttP is just green and brown. LA also has multiple pixel art cutscenes in chibi and more fully proportioned anime styles that match the art in the instruction booklet, while ALttP has nothing like that. Link's Awakening unironically has better graphics than ALttP.
>>738269339You asked dumbass nigger
>>738269817ALTTP's artstyle is incredible, it's my favorite looking game on SNES, and I think it's some of the best pixelart out there. Crisp, clean, clear, easy to read the screen at a glance, great use of color, charming cartoony, almost chibo-esque style.
>>738269436Miyamoto says and does a lot of dumb shit
>>738269817>this is one of t he ugliest games Nintendo has ever madePost hand.
>>738269817what lack of parental figures does to a mofo
>>738269883I'd grab some LA screenshots for comparison but the internet has been taken over with screenshots of the cancerous remake that ruin the aesthetic and replace it with funko pops, so just pretend I posted a picture of the entrance to the swamp dungeon or Tal Tal Heights.
>>738269817>If you throw in the GBC version, it has better colors than ALttP as wellYou cannot be serious right now.
>>738269817DX is a downgrade across the board >menu transition takes way longer (especially bad as you need to frequently menu to swap items)>floor numbers removed from the map screen>chest loots rearranged for the worse>babymode hints added in each dungeon>shitty gimmick dungeon added that gives you an OP reward in an already easy game>shitty sidequest added just to shill the Game Boy Printer>can no longer skip through the many, many repetitive text boxes >ugly, garish coloring that doesn't even mesh up properly
>>738269817What did ALTTP do to you to make you hate it so much?
>>738270783The tiling is fucked but the actual colors are no worse than ALttP's and flat-out better in a lot of cases. Don't forget that the entire Dark World is just brown, and half the dungeons are as well.
>>738269817>>738271019The only overuse of brown is your skin. This looks FAR better than LA (either version)
>>738271019>The tiling is fucked but the actual colors are no worse than ALttP's and flat-out better in a lot of cases.Pathetic attempt at saving face.
>>738271098Damn now I want to replay lttp
>>738271112>tiles and colors are the same thingPathetic attempt at deflection.
>>738271393LADX colors are garish and ugly. To white people it's not a good look, but maybe your kind has bad taste.
>>738271549Try playing it on an actual GBC or with color correction in an emulator instead of looking at raw screenshots, every GBC and GBA game looks oversaturated and garish on modern screens without color correction.
>>738259883as a NES guy. i quite liked it.had it's ups and downs but still good
Dagon SamsonDagoth Ur
Gen X loved Zelda 2 (see the AVGN video where James is surprised that someone calls it a bad game)Zoomers love Zelda 2Only shitlennials dislike it because they grew up on braindead games like ALTTP and OoT and Zelda 2 is too odd and hard
>>738271829Still looks way uglier. Gotta love the yellow cake stools.
>>738272285AVGN is a millennial.
>>738272318On an actual GBC that bright yellow would just look like a highlight and not as saturated. The background also still has more color than the ALttP screenshot, and the tiling on the pots interrupts the floor texture while it's seamless with it on LA.
>>738272336James was born in 1980, he's a late genXer.
>>738272730Millennials are 1980-1995.
>>738272656>The background also still has more color than the ALttP screenshotIt looks garish and ugly, plus the tiling looks terrible. Just admit you were wrong like usual you sad clown.
>>738272924I'd still take garish over dull, which is what most of ALttP is. While I admit the tiling is worse in the DX version, I still think the color palette is more varied, especially in dungeons, which makes the game look much less drab than ALttP.
>>738273248How the fuck doss this >>738271098 look drab you absolute moron?And LA is a literal black&white game where the DX color version looks ans plays even worse see >>738270783 and >>738270883
>>738273248I don't think you could possibly backpedal anymore than this. What a spineless poser.
>>738259883>game has bad reputation>go in expecting it to be terrible; end up only seeing the good>game has good expectation>go in expecting perfection; end up only seeing the flawsIt's a weird form of contrarianism. The people who call Zelda 2 an underrated classic are the same people calling Ocarina of Time overrated.
>>738259883Because games like this only got any shit because a generation raised on e celeb retardation. People who actually grew up on it liked it and people who later went to play it like it
>>738273503People seem to only think in extremes, the idea that something can be overrated but still good or great is a foreign concept to most people
>>738273538Complete revisionism. Zelda 2 was always the black sheep.
>>738272797Gen X: 1965 - 1980 Millennials: 1981 - 1996
>>738273391Bosses are a tiny fraction of the game. Most of the game looks like this.
>>738273826You're really splitting hairs here.
>>738273826For all intents and purposes he's a millennial. According to you that's a one fucking year difference.
>>738259883filtered. it's got flaws but it's a pretty kickass game.
>>738273934Genuine question: why be a lying cocksucker about a game everybody has played? Is it a compulsion to be a dick inhaling faggot every moment of your life?
Not a single mention of the enhanced/remastered version :(
>>738273503No I like both Zelda 2 and OoT because I grew up with that collection on gamecube.But I am that way with Castlevania 64 and SotN.
>>738274483>CastleKINOHoly based.
>>738271193>brown>whore tattoosWaste of a thicc bod.
>>738274690Sorry anon the castle doesn't get to be kino.I know the new castlevania will probably play fin, and I enjoyed playing Dead Cells. But something about the new game gives me an inate diagust.
>>738274230Probably less, unless James was born on the first second of the first day of January 1980, which would be pretty unlikely.
I like zelda 2
>>738274397Where is the lie?
>>738277323That looks fucking horrible compared to ALTTP
>>738277323It's great for gb but every single real Zelda game after ALTTP is wholly derivative of it. BOTW/ TOTK aren't included as real Zelda games because they aren't even remotely the same fucking genre. At that point, you might as well include the musou's and link's crossbow training / tinkle's rupeeland if you include those ones.
>>738273639It was popular and well-regarded when it released. It only got a poor reputation after people who got into the series with OoT went back to it and got mad that it was too difficult and dissimilar from OoT.
