>elden ring is so difficul-
>>738266159yea, i went in blind and my results were pretty much the same. dont understand why so many people whine about difficulty
>>738266656We're not impressed
>>738266159how many tries, monkey?
>>738266159>Backhand BladeYou didn't beat the game.
>>738266750Frieza?
>>738266159I'm sure you didn't die 900 times trying to farm framedata like this.
>a game isn't hard if it's easy after 2000 hours of practice
>Playing only Dark Souls 1>Being a noob at the time, I still finished the game>Not being able to play another Souls game from 2010 until Elden Ring>Putting in 600 hours>Replaying Dark Souls 1 and 3>It's easy for me>Only Sekiro and the Bloodborne DLC are a bit more challenging>played Dark Souls 2 for a while; it doesn't seem complex to me, but I do find it somewhat boring.
>>738267060What gets me are weapons that were so busted even FromSoftware decided to nerf them, and then you have thrusting swords.
>>738266159>>738267828>>738267304>>738266750the sick and twisted thing is that they've tuned these bosses to track the players SO HARD, players who they have conditioned to overwhelmingly use lock on, that locking off actually makes dodging many attacks easier and even breaks the boss sometimesalso jumps are broken, giving nearly 2x the amount of i-frames as rolling and work by just turning off all the hitcapsules from the torso down, so tons of attacks that dont seem like they should be able to be jumped over... actually are. in jumps hands are still valid hitcapsules so 2Handing greatswords or jumping animations that keep your arms above your shoulders are objectively better than other jumps
>>738269163Jumps are almost exclusively used for mashing. You hardly ever see actual good players use them outside of scripting bosses.
>>738269163I'm used to Monhun so I never used lockon and found ER to be easy, just DS3.5I'm glad it wasn't like Bloodborne which locks the faststep behind locking on
>>738269163playing locked off is best in most from games
I want another game where you dash around like bloodborne it's way better than the roll in all the other games.
>>738269390There's a thing called quickstep in DS3 and ER.
>>738269390You still roll quite a bit in BB. Just take away the i-frames and suddenly rolling is fine.
>>738269163people use lock-on? its ok for certain situations but you dont really need it for anything
>>738269476It uses MP you need to make it your ash of war ability and it's still not as good.
>>738269390crimson desert
>>738269692BHS is still absolutely busted in PvE.
>>738269740Dude in crimson desert you can literally set your controller down and pick up your phone and the character will still be finishing up his walking animation. I've never played a game before where the character had so much of a mind of his own. Just doing whatever the fuck he wants while I merely offer suggestions.
>>738266159>tiny jump blocks full area coverage attack
>>738268993cool memoirs bro
>>738268993Dogshit and bland blogpost award
>>738266159Jesus Christ that looks fucking boring.
>>738266159Nice gameplay
>>738266159What...? This doesn't make sense why isn't he rolling more ,ROSSLOP YOU FUCKING RETARDED FROMFAG
>>738271283It's tool assisted.
>>738271345jump is just vertical dodgeroll
>>738269390day 2000 of /v/ getting upset over an animation
>>738269390Isn't lies of p this way?
I think it's funny how people still spam dodge-roll in ER despite the game being much easier if you don't do that. I think they have just become conditioned to playing in that fashion cause of Dark Souls, and they refuse to acknowledge any alternative despite ER having several.
>>738272057at this point i think its just the rollslop meme tricking people. like in ds1 shields are the strongest fucking shit but no one bothersthen again these people are probably summoning as well so do whatever you want it doesnt matter
>>738269163Man I really should try a run where I don't roll at all and just jump everything, but fuck if it isn't hard to break the conditioning to spam that circle.
>>738272783or... just re-bind jump to dodge button and vice versa
>>738273016But then you can't sprint
>>738272057>>738272535Idk I always use a shield in DeS, DS1, and DS2. Elden Ring is more focused on boss fights so more damage just makes sense. The fights end faster if you're good enough at dodging. That's really all it is.
>>738266701btfo
>>738266159>Roll slop games. Babies' first iframe experrience.
it could be really difficult and it wouldn't matter because all soulslikes are garbage
>>738266159Don't skip the hundreds of grovelling hours spent memorising boss attacks, i frames n all that shit. Hat off to the guys who have the patience to do it, I'm too old and feeble to waste my time being angry. Give me more power fantasy games
>>738274197Good bait. I'm triggered.
my gf played er for the 1st time last year and she beat malenia's first phase in one try as a sorcerer using olegg ashes
>>738266159Souls games are so fucking ugly when you aren't playing it. Movement and animation looks so janky and ugly from a presentation point of view, even though the responsiveness is important because everything is designed to 2 shot you. That and the answer to everything is just spamming dodge.
>>738274683>everything is designed to 2 shot you. That and the answer to everything is just spamming dodge.Consequence of a game design used to make casuals feel good about being able to dodge shit for once in their miserable lives. Souls games have the most overpowered dodges in action games.
>>738268993yeah basically, ignore the slopeaters. ds1 and 2 are extremely boring. ds3 is easy. only sekiro ever reaches the difficulty of elden ring, and really only for the final boss.
>>738269163>locking off actually makes dodging many attacks easier and even breaks the boss sometimesI don't understand this point anymore. It was true in DeS/DkS, but these games have had free-aim sprint while locked on for over a decade now.
this is like saying resident evil sucks because you can ignore every zombie in the game
>>738266159do you want to pretend that that is in any way enjoyable to play though?
>the quadruple axel is so difficul->video of Ilia Malinin landing it flawlessly
>>738266159Anyone who says ER (or Souls games in general) are difficult was born after 2000 and only played dumbed down, casual shit.They have absolutely no concept of a learning curve, and just automatically assume something is difficult when they can't surpass it on the first attempt.
>>738273175yea but to dodge everything you gotta learn the fight better. shields n shit have less margin for error
>>738274683>That and the answer to everything is just spamming dodge.wait until you find out about the "block" technique
>>738272535Block requires you to build towards blocking to stay reliable, so average person ignores it to get +1 damage instead. and thats if they didnt just google popular builds
>>738272057What easier alternative to rolling do you think there is?
>>738275742and how>cuphead is the dark souls of metroidvania roguelikes
>>738266159>just clips through the swingsWhy are nu-Souls games like this?
>>738266159>this is zoomers favorite franchise
>>738276331yea, us millenials only play the good shit like call of duty
>>738269275I've always used lock on in monster hunter, never in souls
>>738266159He's fast!
>>738274197This. After a certain amount of time I've decided that replaying a boss 50 times to learn its attack patterns is fucking boring.
>>738276007In ER? Playing mage. Or just putting points into vigor, since it scales really hard, and tanking hits. Both are far easier than spamming rolls and trying to get frame-perfect dodges.
>>738266159>This game is so easy after I autistically play it for years.
>>738269163> the sick and twisted thing is that they've tuned these bosses to track the players SO HARD, players who they have conditioned to overwhelmingly use lock on, that locking off actually makes dodging many attacks easier and even breaks the boss sometimesI'm 100% dependent on lock-on, even for the big dragon bosses. Now I know why the boss in OP was so difficult for me
>>738269163>the sick and twisted thing is that they've tuned these bosses to track the players SO HARD, players who they have conditioned to overwhelmingly use lock on, that locking off actually makes dodging many attacks easier and even breaks the boss sometimesWhat the fuck anon you can't just post this. Fromdrones are going to get angry if you point out the numerous ways in which Elden Ring is an objectively bad and highly flawed game.
>>738275305Not being locked on allows you to do shit that you literally can't do while locked on. Sekiro is the same way. It actually makes the game easier in many ways because the enemy AI is literally designed around target lock being used and you can break the game by not using it and exploiting that flaw in the AI.
>>738266159>STAY STILL!
>>738266750about 44
>>738266159>zero weight to animations>everything is clipping>hero is zooming like shitty anime character instead of like a physical entity in the worldYou people are entertained by this garbage?
>>738269163>they've tuned these bosses to track the players SO HARD, players who they have conditioned to overwhelmingly use lock on, that locking off actually makes dodging many attacks easierWhat's bad about this?
>>738266159Jiren is just that powerful.
>>738269163WoW! That is so sick and twisted!
>>738281924stomp complaining troon. try to find fun in things
>>738282571I do. By playing games that are good.
>>738266159here your skin, bro
>>738282129heh
>>738266159>auto dodge modnot really
>>738283654What makes you think he's using a mod?
>>738266159>300 failed attempts>upload the 1 where you don't fail*yawn
>>738284897>show off doesn't use mods for cloutwhy are you defending him anyway? are you his boyfriend?
I'm close to finishing my first playthrough and I can't wait to never play it again
>>738268993>I played the faster entries then went back to the slow older entries and it was easy!
>>738272057bro elden ring ain't deep, shit's as shallow as liurnia lake, you just spam jump attacks with a big weapon, or spam ash of war, or any posture breaking weaponelden ring is haphazardly put together, many attacks look like you can jump over them but they hit because their hitbox extends 12 feet into the air, then you have attacks that look like you'll get hit by jumping are in fact, nullified by jumping
any other contrarian takes you'd like to tell us about anon
>>738286249>why are you defending him anyway?Who said anything about defending him, I just wanted to know what made you think that he was using a mod. You must be short.
>>738266159/v/ is shitter general. Faggots here were writing essays about how not being able to panic roll anymore was a grave betrayal by Miyazaki while e-thots on twitch were beating the game with dance-pads.
>>738284897because they cut his health bar out and you can literally use cheat engine to make it so you don't receive hitsthat being said, memorizing these bosses isn't that hard
>>738286989>e-thots on twitch were beating the game on a dancepad after 400+ hours and had to do it with hundreds of deathsfor me, it's how every boss plays exactly the same>swing>mix up>swing>stall for player position>slam when player thinks there's an openingfighting dragons and shit is peak stupidity, fighting bale was the dumbest shit imaginable when you're just cutting his fucking toes and dodge through fancy particles that you couldn't even see properly due to fromsoft not knowing how to zoom a camera out
>>738269163>that locking off actually makes dodging many attacks easier and even breaks the boss sometimesI learned this beating the fucking flaming bull in Sekiro
>>738286429Where did I call it deep? I simply said the game is easier than people claim because they insist on playing it in a particular way that makes it harder, for no other reason than learned helplessness.
>>738266159>not pictured: 100+ hours and thousands of attempts practicing that boss alone to learn spacing and dodge timing
>>738287202You're supposed to attack his head. This goes for most dragon fights in the series.
>>738276007great shield builds are probably the easiest. Espeically if you use a poking weapon.Endure / damage reduction builds are also easier than rolling everything in my opinion.
My problem with Elden Ring is that I eternally stay a midwit and will never reach a high level of play. This is because I will end up killing any difficult boss before I fully learn their moveset and how to avoid it, because a half assed understanding of the fight and a decent build is all that's really necessary rather than mastery in order to win. I still don't know how to execute the reliable method to dodge waterfowl dance because I eventually have an attempt where it doesn't hit me enough while managing to kill her before she kills me.So when I go back to fight her on a replay I'm going to forever eat shit until I have a few decent attempts and one of them allows me to seal the deal before I master the fight again.
>>738266159WHY DOES YOUR POST HAVE NO FILENAME?WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FILENAMES?
>>738288450I use a shield for waterfowl. or endure. any shield with "barricade shield" works. I have dodged it all before but i cant do it consistently while playing aggressive. Im pretty sure Malenia is the boss who is meant to counter the builds who rely on rolling/avoidance in the same way gargoyles are a hard counter to slashing bleed builds. The reason she is seems as the hardest boss is because "the meta" way to play through the game is basically dual wielding two weapons on a glass cannon rollspam build. waterfowl is like 8 times easier to dodge if you can negate the first part by blocking it, or entirely insignificant if you have enough stamina to block it all (she barely heals off it in practice, it just psyches people out)
>>738281924He has a DLC Talisman that gives i-frames to the backstep animation (two of them do this). Without that talisman he'd be getting hit.
>>738287202>BayleYou hit that guy in the head and his raw leg stump right near his torso. Some overheads can hit him in the ribs. That's one of the most believable ways to kill a dragon.
