we do
>>738280034for basic programming functions and frame upscaling shit? sure? art assets? don't, its just cringe and stolen assets. coding as well is like that but you won't at least have to reinvent the wheel every single time you write a piece of code.
>>738280034If the industry collapses faster, yes.
>>738280034I don't care. If your shit is good, I'll play it. If your shit is ass, get fucked. I don't care where it came from.
if it's done to cut corners and deliver a poorer quality product, absolutely not
>>738280034>AI? No buy.Simple as.
Under-the-hood coding sure. Art assets no, by principle and in practice. By principle, if a human didn't make it then it's not art. In practice, companies have consistently shown that you use AI when you don't give a shit.
>>738280034Yes if it's someone making something that looks visually appealing and AI is helping save time. The 2000 henty puzzle games with 1GIRL LARGE BREASTS pictures can all fuck off
>>738280034if the game supports my AI generated money then yes
>>738280034will the game be free because of it? I ain't ever paying for slop
>>738280034yes
>>738280419problem with AI is it saturates the market more with low effort garbage.
I support vidya that have cute girls, good gameplay, good monetisation, good story, and other things that makes a game good for me personally. If AI will help games achieve that than i support it. I don't a single fuck about how it was made, i only care if it's good in the end
>>738280034If you hate AI you do not belong here.
Sex with Mint
>>738280647I see where you're coming from but AI has been used regularly at this point and games haven't gotten any better. If anything, they've gotten worse and have homogenized anywhere that AI is used, which makes sense because of gen AI functions.
>>738280457>if a human didn't make it then it's not artDo you consider photography to be art?
>>738280282>coding as well is like that but you won't at least have to reinvent the wheel every single time you write a piece of code.Fuck you, artfags shouldnt get special protections here, stealing is stealing and if one part is bad its all bad.
>>738280647>I support green. I don't a single fuck about how it was made, I only care if it's greennever ever to be achieved with red. all you'll get is brown
>>738280034I don't give a shit. What bothers me is when art generated assets have 0 effort put on them.
>>738280974Yes because a human took the picture. Not the same thing as typing "waterfall sunny day 1girl short skirt" into a prompt field and getting AI to draw you a picture but you're welcome to pretend otherwise.
>>738280034Here at /v/ we support the future.
>>738280717goodmorning
>>738281161>the opposite of the truthAll /v/ does is complain about how much worse things are than the past, from zoomer lingo to modern industry morality to wishing death upon any upcoming AAA release.
I don't mind if as long as it is just as good as a human artist. What I don't support is the development of generative AI where we might live in a world where billionaires will come up with fake AI footage of US soldiers getting tortured to push us into wars, or where real actual footage of CEOs fucking minors will be seen as AI
>>738281108>Yes because a human took the picture.A human told the AI what to make.>it's not the sameWhy not? If both the photographer and prompter have a creative vision, what's the difference between the photographer searching for a location that matches his create vision vs a prompter refining his prompt until the AI gives him something that matches his creative vision?
>>738281297>A human told the AI what to makeIf someone pays an artist to draw a picture of their waifu, is the commissioner the artist to you? Having an idea and wanting it carried through is not the same as doing the creating yourself.
>>738281297the creative process is entirely outsourced to the AI. you may tardwrangle it around and specify what you want, but you're ultimately on a whim of the machine
so what you're saying it, i'll be fine since they're aislop children. it won't be REAL trauma.
>>738280282Agreed. If its under the hood shit and functions, idc. Dont be trying to put that shit out front and center though.
>>738281001nta and as an artfag I agree, genAI is ruining open source software development too, burn it all down kill tech corpos
>>738280034YesVoice actors are scum and deserve to be replaced
>>738280034why does it matter? there is nothing, nobody can do to stop it.
>>738280034Couldn't they have used that AI to make the models look better? They look like 2020 assets
>>738281385Is photography art?>>738281391>you're ultimately at the whim of the machinefix'dThat's why the pompter keeps trying until getting what he wants, refining his prompt along the way. It's trial and error, but he has some control over the outcome. Likewise, the photographer can't just materialize the exact scene he has in his minds eye. He has some control in that he can chose the angle, framing, props, etc.
>>738280034Yes. Anyway, anyone got Nanally? I'm still rolling for her.
>>738280034Personally I dont give a fuck one way or the other
>>738280974Not that anon that answered you but do you really think that photography starts and ends at pointing and clicking the camera?
>>738281821I already answered that question and told you why I think photography is art unlike gen AI, then you responded with some retarded bullshit. Now you answer my question.If someone commissions an artist to draw a picture of their waifu, is the guy who commissions the art an artist? Give me a simple yes or no here then tell me why because I was kind enough to do the same for you.
>>738280282Oh you looked at another artists picture for inspiration, such as been the way since the inception of the medium? You're actually just copying and stealing the idea. I'll never understand the "Ai steals content" narrative. Do you cavemen even have a grasp on how it functions? How it pulls from a sample size and makes something new from the given information? How is that any different than following an art tutorial, mimicking someone's style to learn yourself? And even then, do you honestly expect people to just generate something and do absolutely no manual editing to the picture afterwards? As if it'd generate it perfect with no flaws?
>>738282006>Oh you looked at another artists picture for inspiration, such as been the way since the inception of the medium? You're actually just copying and stealing the idea.If you actually made art you would know that nobody thinks this because even if you take inspiration from another picture, you still need to construct your own piece from the reference. When people get annoyed is when you don't credit others for things that are very heavily inspired or derivative, which AI models are on a massive scale essentially.
>>738281880Do you really thing that AI art starts and ends at typing in a prompt and hitting enter?>>738281952I'm not talking about commissioning art. I'm talking about someone having a creative vision. If you want a more relevant example, consider the difference between a character artist brainstorming a new character idea and a prompter using AI to do the same.
>>738282006tracing isn't artAI isn't artthey're the same slop
>>738282234>Do you really thing that AI art starts and ends at typing in a prompt and hitting enter?Over and over again, yes. Because that's all it is, and I dare you to prove it wrong. It may not be the same prompt, but it is just typing a prompt and hitting enter.
*hits pipe*AIslop is just the new boogieman to weaponize and virtue signal with. Before this it was tracing.
>>738282298If we're going to allow photography to go beyond the simple action of clicking the shutter, why not allow the same for AI?
>>738282234>more retarded bullshit to avoid answering the questionThe only difference between commissioning an artist to draw your waifu and telling an AI prompt "draw my waifu" is that you're getting it for free from the AI prompt. If that's the only difference then my question is relevant and I'll ask it 50 times until you stop replying to me or you nut up and answer it like someone with some balls:If someone commissions an artist to draw their waifu, is the person who commissioned the picture an artist?We can discuss other things related to that and you can wax on about how you can put "large boobs offmodel" in your prompt afterwards, but if you don't answer that question then I will not stop asking it and this conversation will not continue. I answered your question with a clear "yes". Have the honesty to do the same.
>>738282478Because photography goes beyond just that. It also requires the creation of the photo long after the camera has pointed and clicked.Mind you, you're a retard that thinks I'm of the same opinion as everyone else here saying AI stuff isn't art. I'm not.I consider AI art to also be art, but I do not consider people who make AI art to be artists. The artist is the AI, not you. You're a patron. A glorified idea guy.
>>738280034It's fine to use in all forms as long as the output is actually properly vetted and not just taking the first output and putting it in without oversight.
>>738281001There is a huge difference between code and art. Code is 100% logic-driven. Ask 1000 coders to write a script to perform a basic function in a specific language and most of the submissions are going to be exactly the same. Stuff like coding that has no room for artistic expression is exactly where AI efforts should be focused.
>>738282006>And even then, do you honestly expect people to just generate something and do absolutely no manual editing to the picture afterwards? As if it'd generate it perfect with no flaws?My porn must be perfect
>>738282537Again, I'm not talking about commissions. It seems like you're more interested in talking with a strawman you've constructed in your head and not me actually.>>738282618>It also requires the creation of the photo long after the camera has pointed and clicked.You mean like developing the photos the old fashion way, or putting the image in editing software? If it's the latter, why can't you do the same with AI created media?
>>738282776Shut the fuck up tranny, your uneducated opinion isn't worth the data used to post here.
>>738282618You're an absolute faggot that has no idea how the process works kek
Well that was an easy concession.
If the devs are competent, sure. The AI discourse hasn't really addressed the reality that some people don't have enough common sense/talent to even use AI. Look at exhentai and all the "rough translation" garbage in there. How can you have the closest thing we have to a thinking machine and still fuck it up?The same thing applies to games. I cannot fathom how so many people are still trying to put out visual novels with generic, 2023-era AI artwork.
>>738280034In some cases, mostly not because it makes things look out of place and ugly, and in NTE's case they were very lazy about it, It's very obvious, low quality and in your face and on top of that they deny it, so...
>>738282809>I'm not talking about commissionsYou're talking about the act of prompting making a person into an artist and I'm saying that it is not meaningfully different creatively from commissioning something. YOU are the one who said that "telling an AI what to make" makes a human an artist so don't get upset that you've staked a position. It sounds like you just don't want to defend your position because you hadn't thought it through.If a human telling an AI what to make can make them an artist through something as simple as typing "draw Konata from Lucky star" into a prompt, do you think that a human telling an artist what to make by typing "draw Konata from Lucky star for 10 dollars" into their commissions page makes them an artist in that case? I ask because many people(clearly you as well because you're writhing about to avoid answering the question) would NOT consider a person who commissions an art piece from an artist to be an artist themselves.Answer that question with a yes or no. Dodge it one more time and I will stop bothering with you and consider your concession to be accepted and my job of raping you to be thoroughly completed.
>>738282776>There is a huge difference between code and art.no there isn't.
>>738283293There objectively is. None of the rules which apply to code apply to art.
>>738282809>You mean like developing the photos the old fashion way, or putting the image in editing software?The former, obviously. You asked if photography counts as art. There is still segregation between photography and digital photography.
>>738280034Chinks use AI a fucking lot, NTE just went full retard and made it too obvious but I wonder that now that the mask is off if they will just push harder.
>>738283491Anon it's widely known that Tencent is pushing extremely hard in AI and they have their hands in as many games as possible. If a Chinese game is backed by Tencent it's guaranteed they make heavy use of AI.
>>738281752Unfortunately this, AI is going to be used more, and more in video games, movies, music. Nobody can stop it.
>>738282836projection
I have no strong opinions on AI
>>738283748when these huge corps push AI do they get a fancy gui with an uncensored model or are they proompting on the same site as twitter tards
>>738283748Surely you have a source
I love AI it owns the libs and makes them seethe lol
>>738284024Just google it anon. This isn't some secret. Tencent is very open about how hard they're pushing for AI.
>>738284024NTA but Tencent does publish a lot of AI models. It wouldn't be shocking if they pushed for them to be used.
>>738283769>Nobody can stop it.Except for corporate greed LMAO
>>738284151libs hate when people breathe too.You know what to do, based anon.
>>738282006
>>738283263kek this kills the slopper
I don't support ai slop not just because it relies on theft of human content, destruction of environment and really just an excuse to make richer richer and poorer poorer. I don't support it because it's shit. The same reason I don't support cash grab remakes/remasters, gacha slop etc. Anyone who says slop gens are good is wrong.Dumping 50 gajillion bytes of random stolen data into some neural network and sometimes changing weights to suit to your bias is not a quality work you lazy sack of potato bags. Another reason to never bother with indie slop (or triple a even soon let's be honest) ever again because retards will just spam ai garbage everywhere in their games, as if indie games weren't ugly and generic enough.
>programmingI'm told skilled programmers can use it selectively well but I don't trust pajeet interns not to over-rely on it>texturesRight out, unless it's so small that you would never notice. Fortnite is a good example of very noticeable AI textures on the current map, I hate it>voice actingThe best niche for it, voice actors are stupidly expensive and some games would greatly benefit from having instant turnaround on getting new voice lines. There's also real-time voice generation as a niche>LLM writingI will not play your game unless I'm the one generating it as smut, in which case it's so tailored to my specific combination of fetishes that the myriad problems with slop writing don't matter in the moment
Fadia was one of the characters I liked the least because of her design but her city encounters have made me do a 180
>>738280034Remember the rule: If the product or game is good/making money then no one cares about AI. If it's bad, then AI is bad and why the game is bad. I don't really care one way or the other but pointing at something and screaming "IT USES AI" is the new online witch hunt now.
>>738284472Yes. If im paying you, you are my tool. If i didnt pay you, no art would get made.Simple as.Whoever causes the art to be made is an artist
>>738284702>voice actors are stupidly expensiveWhat do you mean anon? Not too long ago we had the Bayonetta VA scandal that shed a light on how cheap VA jobs are.
>>738280034If you mean for art assets or game code, no. If it could be applied to game mechanics such that it somehow makes games more reactive to player actions, think like an RPG where characters in the world react to what you do and how you play, that might be cool if it can be done properly.
>>738281821>Is photography art?Yes.An image of a person can be drawn by hand, photography, or AI generated. All of those are art. All of those have different levels of merit to them. Even though there are levels to AI generated imagery (knowing what you're doing, fixing mistakes) the AI generated one has the least merit to it.
>>7382800344chan uses AI. Now, everyone that hates AI has to stop using 4chn.
>>738280034Good art is already replaced by tumblrslop in city builders. Unless this is AI(unlikely) trained on tumblr, AI is an improvement.
>>738280034I will not support something that only furthers my race's demise, no.
>>738280034I support artists using AI trained with their own works, I support AI for rigging and making 3D models, I support voice actors allowing companies to use their voice for AI.
>>738281821>Is photography art?What exactly do you define as "photography" here? A person taking a photo to capture some moment, some mood, evocative scenery and so on is art. On the other hand a security camera performing its purpose of remotely monitoring some area is not art.
>>738282116>even if you take inspiration from another picture, you still need to construct your own piece from the reference.How is this any different than using AI? The result is what matters, not how you get there.>have idea>do thing(draw or prompt)>create picture>When people get annoyed is when you don't credit others for things that are very heavily inspired or derivative,This isn't required and has never been remotely standard practice plus any kind of artist will tell you what inspired them if you ask them.
>>738281821AI is sort of like photography in a way. You're commanding this AI with a peep hole into its brain to depict scenes it has imagined up, there are basically an infinite amount of images in this AI's brain, and you fiddle with levers and stuff to find something cool to take a picture of.It's kinda like a photographer wandering around in a world like Reboot
>>738285643Paying for a proompter is just as bad as paying for porn.If a product has AI, I'm not buying it, sorry.
>>738285508>I support artists using AI trained with their own worksPeople underestimate the amount of assets needed to train an AI model raw with their own works. Even Kaneko's Tsukuyomi game where they said he contributed the entire base for was able to generate cards based on Mickey Mouse and other characters.Unless you have thousands of works and a blank canvas model, there's going to be some stolen data
>>738286278u will pay though, because every game will have AI
>>738286638I won't, thoughbeit.
>>738286594That guy used ancient AI models so his commentary on it isn't very useful."Stolen data" is just the base model which isn't even relevant when you're trying to replicate a style. For that you just need a lora, if that(there are other methods) and any amount of images more than 0 can reproduce something similar to the style you want. More doesn't even necessarily mean better.
>>738286594Yes, basically. A LORA trained on an artist's style will get results that are very close to that artist's style, even though you don't need that many images for it to "understand" the style. It's still something that has to be applied to a checkpoint, which is a separate, much bigger model trained on thousands of images that have to cover all sorts of concepts such as burger, erect penis, and Ayanami Rei. You will get a Kaneko style Rei with a super hard penis holding a burger even though he never drew any of those things.
>>738283059Post prompts/what artists you blended/loras/model
>>738280034I can deal with AI generated background assets.I can deal with AI generated monster designs. But the AI generated playable character designs is where I draw the line.
>>738287430why
>>738287430Well, amazing news.NTE proved most people don't care either, so expect future games to also be vibe coded and you needing a 5090 to run them at 30 fps (Frame gen enabled)
>>738287480Looks dum
>>738287543you can't even tell the difference
>>738280034If it makes me cum, then yes.
>>738280034What else we gonna do? it ain't gonna stop and soon will swallow everything whole like DLCs and microtransactions.
>>738287702>AI generated microtransactionshopefully by then we'll be able to AI generate ICBMs
cheap philosophy, lazy fucks who are interested in progress, actual scammers, mass surveillance, paid shills, corruption, legal loopholes for stealing data, billionaires pushing it, bots, brainrot "content", glorified laziness, whataboutism... That's what comes to mind with AI so far, very few positives and what's funny is that they are trying to kill local ai, the only thing that you can actually get something specific and useful out of it.
>>738280034for everything except art assets but in the end theres no escape.at least humanity created enough media before AI, i still have so much shit to play i think i will just skip future shit.
>>738283375But how can you say that there's an "objective" difference between art and code when art itself is inherently subjective?
>>738288065Because code is objective. Something which is inherently objective and something which is inherently subjective operate differently. This is a fact. There are a hundred different arguments both sides can present for AI art. The same is not true for code because it operates 100% on logic and is not owned by anyone. It would be like trying to argue that somebody owns math and that AI shouldn't be used for equations. It's sheer stupidity.
>>738283375but code is art and art has no rules
>>738288286>code is artObjectively false. You can create art with code but that does not mean code is inherently artistic.
>>738288350
>>738288350these guys think coding is literally magic with no logic or math behind.
>>738288431>information based on redditAre you actually serious or just lazy
>>738288431Ask Gemini how big her breasts would be if she had breasts
>>738288286>art has no rulesArt does have rules for an artist tho
>>738280034for the most part, it's fine when used as a supplemental tool for a dedicated expert but as a full substitute it usually sucks. it's also useful for shit like upscaling and other things, i guess.
>>738288515>cant argue with the factual statementsConcession accepted>>738288575Tools not rules.
>>738288431>AI summary based on reddit shit
>>738288350Everything is art or nothing is. You're retarded.
>>738288632>no argument
>>738288431Okay cool so you don't have an argument and you need AI to handle your critical thinking because you're incapable of it yourself. Concession accepted.
>>738288653>no argumentConcession accepted.
90% of all textures and sound effects are stock libraries anyways. Oh, you used an AI to generate a wall texture that just used the generic stock wall texture as a model and generated a new generic stock wall texture? Cool, fantastic, who friggin cares.
>>738285643>The result is what matters, not how you get there.this is where you're wrong, art is all about the journeyyou're on a video game board, do you also exclusively watch streamers play games? why does it matter how you experienced the game, you saw it, right?personally i dont give a fuck about if ai is art or not, but you really gotta accept ai art is like a dream journal, you might think your dreams are really amazing and you wanna share the dream you had but ultimately no one gives a fuck about your dream
>>738288905Brother the $420 gacha characters are literally AI slop. This is the future you chose
This game kinda plays like some sort of shonen protagonist simulator or even a magical girl simulator. you’re a regular dude in a regular city and you go around fighting otherworldly monsters haunting the population by night then you go on your side gig as a truck driver or a barista by day then you go out with Mint and take selfies and hold hands by evening. If they made a Shonen Protagonist Simulator this is probably what it would look like. Yeah, sure, the game is ass and janky in many areas, but I’m enjoying just how comfy it is
>>738280034NoFuck off
>>738288271>Something which is inherently objective and something which is inherently subjective operate differentlyNo, I mean how can you claim that there is an undoubtable difference between art and code when a subjective thing can be interpreted in any way up to the whims of an individual.You don't think that code is art, but someone will, just like with any post-modern paintings. Therefore since some can think of code as an art form, it becomes art because art is subjective, thus the objective difference is no longer objective at all.>The same is not true for code because it operates 100% on logicWhat is your stance on ASCII art like picrel?We literally call it art and someone had to make it. Interestingly, it's 100% based on logic.Is this art, but code is not yet both are made up of essentially just characters typed into a text editor given superficial meaning by the onlooker?
>>738288964Nope because you can't tell for sure how any creative thing was made, it's all just an illusion of your own making. Even if an artist talks about the journey in detail he could just be making it up, and most artists don't even talk about their journeys much. Not to mention people using AI go on journeys too and can talk about them all the same.It doesn't matter at the end of the day, what matters is that they made something because they wanted to.>you're on a video game board, do you also exclusively watch streamers play games? why does it matter how you experienced the game, you saw it, right?This analog is ridiculously off-track and bad.>you might think your dreams are really amazing and you wanna share the dream you had but ultimately no one gives a fuck about your dreamYou can say this to anyone for any reason. Totally pointless statement that has nothing to do with art.
>>738289196so tell me anon, why do you make ai images? i can't assume it's for fun considering you're spending your free time trying to justify your hobby to strangers on the internet rather than doing it
>>738289375For fun and it feels good.I am making pics as we speak.>considering you're spending your free time trying to justify your hobby to strangers on the internet rather than doing itThat's not what I'm doing, I just want people like you to understand the new art form instead of acting like stupid luddites. Also I'm making pictures as we speak.
>>738289071>You don't think that code is art, but someone willThis is opinion. Opinion is inherently subjective. Art is inherently subjective. Code is not subjective. These are all facts.
>>738289481this is just a genuine curiosity but would you bother doing it if you couldnt post it or show it to anyone? i know a large amount of artists do it for the process and would do it even if the internet disappeared, but would you? i guess im confused why suddenly you turned into a creative person that has found that art is their passion only just when ai came around
>>738289489Is non-working code still code? If yes, could that code be written with an artistic intention? Therefore could you write code that is art and thus subjective? Like an ASCII art, which is done by code, the argument that was conveniently skipped and didn't get a comment?
I love AI sirs.
>>738289729>Is non-working code still code?Non-working code is just text. The fact that it operates as code is what makes it code. Code is strictly defined by the rules which make it work. It is 100% logic and objectivity. If it's anything else it's not code.
>>738289596>would you bother playing video games if you couldnt post it or show it to anyone?wtf question is this? what the heck
>>738289596Yes I would.> i guess im confused why suddenly you turned into a creative person that has found that art is their passion only just when ai came aroundLots of people are creative before creating anything, they just didn't have the time for it or they didn't find the right outlet for it. I have always liked pictures but I don't like drawing. I take pictures and videos of games and real life though.
>>738289071Code isn't art because it's purely functional. There's no room for varying interpretation. Function A does A, never anything else, regardless of the observer. Not art.
>>738289783Why did you change his question then get confused by your own question?
>>738289795>because it's purely functional.wrong
>>738280034>supportNo.>careNo.
>>738289795What if I sneak a few jokes into my code for the hell of it? Does it stop being code the second I add in a little laugh?
>>738289783is ai already degrading your reading comprehension this badly?
>>738289892Comments aren't part of the code.
>>738289071Are you one of those guys who say maths is art because you heard a quote of Einstein say some equation is beautiful or something? Like if you look at it with hindsight or retroactively? I dunno.
>>738290072He's a pseudointellectual retard relying entirely on gotchas. He's been shot down numerous times but he keeps vomiting fallacies.
>>738280439I have "Anti-AI" fatigue.
>>738289895He's right, it seemed like a stupid loaded question. You were seemingly trying to suggest that I only use AI for attention which is disingenuous because you can say this to anyone doing anything.>>738289795It can express and elicit emotions beyond the functions so it's art. Just as a car can be a work of art. And AI-san already ended this argument here lol>>738288431
>>738289895I'm not anon. It's just a bizarre thing to ask out of nowhere of any hobby. If his hobby is creating AI slop, it's not my business. I wouldn't decide he's doing it to show AI slop to other people unless he's doing it. Same as if I saw you were playing video games and that was your hobby. Unless I saw a youtuber or something..
>>738289928I never mentioned comments. It could be variable names too, or strings. Function calls too. Even the order of the lines could allude to a joke or a situation.Did you... not write a single code in your life?>>738290072Is your projection or my personal perception important in giving your answer? I thought we're staying rational here.>>738290143If you say so. Yet the anons in the chain never responded to my ASCII argument.>fallaciesFeel free to point them out, in detail.
>>738280550as oppose to 10 years of garbage we keep getting from AAA studios with hundreds of millions per game?
>>738290274>ASCII argument.It's not an argument because it isn't code. I already shut you down on this and you didn't bother responding because you know I'm correct and you can't fallacy your way out of it.
>>738290274The code will still do the same thing it would have if you'd used normal names.
>>738280974I hate when Indians say the dumbest shit imaginable and think they're clever.
>hardware getting more expensive>game is cost more and more>game has lower and lower effort putting in it>game become less optimized>game still take 200 years to come outAI IS THE FUTURE
>>738280550The ratios of bad to good games will only improve as AI gets better. Right now it's basically 99% awful 1% good, if that.
>>738288964>this is where you're wrong, art is all about the journeyDo you retroactively un-enjoy things if you find out later on that some great piece of art was actually just some loveless commission? Of course not.
>>738289824>this utter lack of reading comprehensionthe absolute state of zoomers
>>738290389Games always ran like shit. Hardware used to get outdated every other year, nowadays you have people with 10-year-old cards complaining about there being no reason to buy a new one.
Rajesh is now using the zoomer argument...Sad...
cope and seethe while ai gets better, and more prominent in all digital media.total jeet victory.
>>738280439do you decompile the code before buying a game to check?
Toilet shitter bros...We losted... It's so over...
>>738290560>complaining about there being no reason to buy a new one.No one complain about this
>>738290274>Is your projection or my personal perception important in giving your answer?Isn't it reasonable to ask your stance in the matter? We were talking about if code = art. I thought then you might have an opinion on the topic being discussed-like perhaps you do think code = art and that could help explain your position if you think so.
>>738290734some unironically do but they kinda hate video games, jaded uncs
Sometimes I enter these threads to argue for a position I don't believe in purely as an intellectual exercise.
>>738290512>Of course not.Well... he probably does. Most anti-AI people will un-like a picture, game, or whatever when they find out AI was involved. Just like some people will stop being fans of actors, singers, composers, or directors when they learn that they flirted with females, said a bad word 40 years ago, belonged to a certain tribe all along, are on a different political side than you, or whatever. >>738290878are ya winnin son
>>738280034>Pride themselves in having superior manpower numbers and bigger budgets than Japan>still resort to AI slopchinks will never escape the soulless drone factory allegations
>>738290963Only losers care about winning, da.
>>738290963if someone lies about using ai in their image generation and you find out later that they did use it, that's a reasonable reason to not like something anymorethis could be solved by allowing people to filter out ai-generated art if they don't want to see it but apparently that's too much
>>738280034>AI in everything BUT the part where we want AI inWhen people say they want AI, they actually mean they want good NPC reaction and behavior. I don’t support the AI we got.
everything that remove more wokies from game making is welcome
>>738291225People have lied about the means used to produce their art since times immemorial. You've had all of history to get used to it.
>>738291414so you think lying about your product is justified, because people have lied in the past?
>>738291225It's not reasonable, it's an arbitrary and petty whim. People will like what they like and dislike what they want to and reason doesn't play a role here since we're talking about art. How people feel about art is subjective.
This is because the NTE drama? for how many people were praising this game over and over again just to discover that was made by AI and now suddenly everyone hate it?
>>738280282They are already using and it's awesome. You won't realize they used AI, artfag.It gets better every year, unlike (You)
>>738291446No, I'm saying you should expect it. Also that it's nothing new or even exclusive to sloppa.
>>738291461>its arbitrary and pettyif you fully believed that ai art was justified then why are you lying about using it in the first place in your products?
>>738291553Because it means more people will buy it, duh.
>>738291553>youHow emotional you are kek. Tim has been consistently right about AI though, not disclosing what shampoo you used isn't lying.https://x.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1993687499621728312?lang=enAnd what the other anon said, if a developer is lying it's just to potentially make money from luddites.
The same shills still posting three years later. Aren't you doing this for free by now?
The strange reactions people have to AI are funny. My favorite thing is the constant need to invent more and more convoluted explanations for why they are opposed to it. To me, this is self evident:>a lot of AI crap is low effort and looks like shit>since it's easy to make that means there's a ton of ithowever it's also self-evident to me that audiences will become more discerning and grow higher standards. Ultimately it's just a better tool to make things with. 95% of people are uninspired simpletons and can't even imagine the cool shit AI is going to lead to. The remaining 5% will pave the way and make insane art, media, content that the remainder will take for granted after a few years. Like the printing press, the steam engine, electricity, and the internet this strange new tech will disrupt the world but ultimately lead to more prosperity and a richer and more varied experience.
>>738292613What I don't get is the double standards. Most non-AI crap is low effort and looks like shit too but nobody is complaining about that. The average AI art is better than the average human made art.
>>738292613@grok tl;dr this
>>738280419>>738280647Absolutely soulless way of thinking.
>>738280034hard no. i actively avoid it
>>738280282Found the redditfag. Nobody will ever like your shitty art. AI isn't taking your art job you never had one.
I like AI. I want to see it grow strong
>>738292953you need help
>>738282006These fools think AI literally just makes collages of stolen art, cutting and pasting little pieces into new shapes But if a human did that they'd call it art
I support anything that hurts/upsets leftoid trannies, "creatives" and other assorted subhumans.
>>738292968Why is AI and AI devs obsessed with using it to create high-definition pixel art?
>>738292953>plz buy my woke pozzed gayart but it's artisanal It's that simple. You're mad that you've competition. You say it's about art in video games but-wait a minute, all art in video games before AI was woke. That means you're mad "creative" wokeslop is competing with AIslop. Mm.
>>738293481It's the aesthetic joy of playing a retro game without having to deal with the horrible gameplay
No wonder jews wonned hard.>I'll support X because it makes Y mad!
I have anti-AI and anti-anti-AI fatigue I'm tired of proletariat human-cattles fighting over AI shit while not doing anything producive at allHonestly, if you've got the time every single day to pick fights and sling insults on this Belarusian spitz grooming forum, you'd be a 114154 times better off doing something more productive instead>>738285508>I support voice actors allowing companies to use their voice for AIARC Raiders did that
>>738293375based
>>738292870>The average AI art is better than the average human made artIn terms of baseline raw generic composition sureIt's like saying a UE5 tech demo looks better than a heavily stylized PS2 game because every leaf is individually rendered. But that same rubric is hollow and doesn't actually express anything about the art outside of "is detailed"
>>738280034I don't care one way or another who made or what tools/methods were used to create something, all that matters to me is the thing itself.
>>738293795>It's like saying a UE5 tech demo looks better than a heavily stylized PS2 game because every leaf is individually rendered.I disagree and you don't have to make an analogy because you can just take the average AI picture and compare it to the average deviant art image. You can also just look at the art they make while seething about AI, that says it all.
I'm still waiting for that first step of AI beyond making asscrack video on tiktok
>>738293918>my instant gratification machine that automatically makes the image for me is better than a random artist on deviantart that had to actually put time into learning somethingok
>>738294090This isn't about me but yes, AI art is better than the "effort" of some talentless nobody.
>>738293530I don't have competition because i'm not an artist. I just have an intact soul.>all art in video games before AI was wokeVerifiably false.
>>738294321You are a cancer on humanity. A soulless, goyslop consuming golem.
>>738294558
>>738294558You're just mad because you know I'm right.
>>738280282This, basically. No one cares if under the hood stuff was automatized but the actual artistic side needs to be authentic. I don't think it's a matter of stealing but it's simply disingenuous. I cut small (as in, literally one person) projects some slack in that regard but if you are a big enough studio to have an art department, the only reasons you would ever use AI to make art assets for you are either laziness or cheapness and I don't accept excuses for either when you're trying to sell me something.
>>738280034I don't care at all unless it's really noticeable.
>>738294654>complains about not liking certain art styles>gets upset when he learns someone doesnt like ai art
>>738295041>>738284431
>>738281061This, on the bright side that gives me the perfect reason to never touch the game
>>738294654A wall of people showing off their own art while standing in opposition to the "make good art machine". What about it?
i want ai controlled npcs, yeah.
>>738294654we have a serious mental health problem
>>738280282This is you
this place is such a fucking clownhole these days i cant even tell if these ai posts are meant to be ironic or not. im having a hard time fathoming someone posting that shit genuinely thinking they're owning someone
>>738280282Kek at all the mad jeets replying to you
>>738280974Not really.
>>738288519>massive double DDBased bot
>>738297662We have been enduring AIjeet posting for years now, how have you not noticed?
>>738297662it must be horrible having a low IQ
>>738297724Seething tranny leftist detected. Please tell us how terrible AI is for using a trillion gallons of water.
>>738297662We really need to nuke india
>>738297914lol, Id rather just ask you where all the AI games are. You guys said it would speed up dev time a gorillian percent, so why arent we swimming in good AI games of our wildest imaginings? Its been 4 years.>u-uh, umOh yea, remember how all the tech CEOs were saying everyone in the tech industry, mainly coders, would be 98% replaced by 2024? And how its at roughly 2% now and plateaued? By the way, how are you going to recoup the trillions invested in a product that still routinely fucks up at the most basic levels? Even if you fire 99% of the workforce, it wont be enough.>i-it will get better!!!It will never stop hallucinating.
>>738298126https://steamdb.info/tag/1368160/
>>738280282lol retard coding requires engineering. artistic expression is a form of engineering as well. its just that code bros arent delusional.
Bros...
>>738299936i still dont know what type of mutant watches vtumor shit
>>738299936May I ask why do you need team to just streaming? Fuck are they going to do?
>>738300092Isn't Ironmouse the one that has a mobility condition. I'd assume a team is needed if you can't move or do things properly. Besides that VTubers are getting near K-pop idol status so a Team isn't that farfetched anymore.
>>738280550no sir we love garbage as long as its ai sir.
>>738280282you steal oxygen and water from good people every day
>>738300092From what I understand about streaming a team>scouts out sponsors>scouts out merchandise deals and partnerships>handles bookings of appearances for events>deals with extraneous video archival like editing out music that aren't DMCA compliant from a VOD, editing clips, etc,Basically, you get a fleet of people to make it so that you spend most of your day as a streamer just streaming, instead of having to only stream for a few hours so you can handle any of the above stuff mentioned.
>>738298419>so why arent we swimming in good AI games>goodEverything you listed is absolute slop. Where are the good games? Not WEG garbage or something that could have been made by some fag in middle school. Where are they? Why arent people making their dream games of "X but with Y and Z"?Because you cant. Because you were wrong. Because you were full of shit. Your next response will be to make some excuse because you know Im right. Also cute how you dodged the rest of the post.
I haven't read up on it but I'm shocked anyone was surprised this game used ai every single character looks like ai sloppa there is no consistent theme. The dog cop guy is cool though.
AI will undoubtedly be a net negative for games the same way big game engines are, causing more stagnation and reducing average quality, but ultimately it's just another symptom, not the cause. My single hope about it is to see one creative game made with it, and honestly I'm not expecting it to happen.
>>738290336you know solo game devs exsisted before ai right. Its not just AAA or AI. actually mind broken. games requiring talent to make is the ultimate quality filter.
>>738290391ai will always struggle with individuality and creativity.
>>738290336the best games made were all made without AI btw.
>>738280034as long as it making twitter mad and vtuber no making money sure
>>738280282>AI steals assets! Stealing is wrong! >yes I pirate all my games, why do you ask?Now your response is: theft takes something away, piracy just makes a copy I respond: same as AIbtw, no I will not disclose I used AI in my game.
>>738297372NIGGA PLEASE, GIVE ME AI THAT IS BETTER AT MY JOB, THEN I AM, I BEG YOU
>>738302882gay sexbots are a few years off
>>738302872being adverse to admitting you used AI to develop your game is probably a sign that its not something people want in games.
>>738290190I have AI fatigue
>>738280034I thought /v/ supported ai to own the libs ?
>>738297372I hate that I laughed
>>738289795Just because code is logic-driven doesn't mean there is isn't an absurd amount of variability in implementing every single fucking function ever. There's a reason every fucking StackOverflow thread will have at least half a dozen different ways to do the exact same thing in the same language. There's a reason companies try to hammer everyone down with very specific syntax style guides because otherwise every code base with multiple coders becomes a fucking labyrinth of navigating varying syntax and losing one guy makes it borderline unusable without hiring triple the workforce to decode and rewrite their bullshit.
>>738303037The word is "averse", jeet. "Adverse" sounds similar but it's a different word, nigger. I'm averse to the adverse market conditions created by cockgargling poopticklers like you.I'm allergic to trannies review-bombing my game, not the act itself of admitting I used it. So I won't be doing that until everyone else admits they're using it as well.
>>738303618StackOverflow's traffic has dropped precipitously over the past couple years, I can't imagine why.
>>738298419>my summer carfinland has fallen
>>738303598I hate indians more than I hate the libs desu
>>738280034>AI should not be allowed ReeeeeeeeeeeFailed twitter artists>You should welcome AI ReeeeeeeeeeeIdiots that suck even with AIThe truth is if it's good no one will care, NTE got trashed because it's AI implementation was slop it deserves what it gets and every other game that does the samethe competition is Genshin and HSR you either meet that bar or you get trashed AI or not
>>738306109I don't think it shouldn't be allowed, but you should have to tell people you are using it. It just tells me you're lazy and personally not worth my money. If other retards want to pay for slop I literally cannot stop them but as long as they're informed and not being tricked into it I do not give a shit.
>>738306109>the competition is Genshin and HSRWuWa mogs that shit retarded hoyofag
>gachatards
>>738306440It's the same fucking game bro.
