why are they using early access again for their next game? they're one of the richest studios in the world now.
It's necessary to cultivate a stockholm'd fanbase (who will then shill the 1.0 version to normal people). Need to get that sunk cost and copium addiction in early.
>>738281053BG3 would have been dogshit if they didn't get free testing from EA. If you played some of the early BG3 EA builds you would understand.
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>>738281053Larian are alright I got my money's worth out of BG3.
>>738281053Because they aren't arrogant to think they know what's best no matter what and appreciate feedback to make the game as close to what their players want as possible.
still haven't finished a single larian game i just drop it in the last chapter idk why
>>738282038because their games are boring. dont let the internet gaslight you
>>738281053they're one of the few devs out there with gameplay good enough a demo (which is functionally wat EA is for them) actually increases sales rather than decrease
Reminder that they actually changed some things for the worse in BG3's early access because people with shit taste were vocal about it.
>>738281053>trust-provoking image
>>738281053I genuinely hope they don't do early access again. Listening to the fans for BG3 was one of their biggest mistakes.
>>738282038Because they peak in the first chapter and the stories are nothing special, so you don't feel a strong urge to push through to see the ending.
>>738282108Gaslight? Are you a fucking woman?
>>738282578More like thrust butt-poking image.
>>738281053because it has clearly worked out great for them. duh?
>>738282563>>738282661i'm curious, got examples?
>>738281053Because the alternative is releasing no game for 5 years.
>>738282038most people don't finish gamesespecially longass crpgs
>>738281053Because they need testers? Their games are full of bugs even on release.
>>738281053>they're one of the richest studiosBut not THE richest.
>>738284173Changed Wyll's character to be more of a goody two shoes and boring. Scrapped a female Halfling who was also a werewolf, for Halsin because too many gays and women thirsted over him, are the major ones I think.
>>738285068that's it? wyll sucks but whatever, and i don't even mind halsin (not gay). big whoop.
>>738285068>Scrapped a female HalflingToo pedo-codedBearfucking is okay but halflings are horrid pedophile bait
>>738281053They don't know how to make a complete game but with early access they get infinite feedback on Act 1 which is always the high point of their games.
>>738286342>fucking short women makes you a pedoyou could tell some 5'10 dryed out hag had a saying in this
>>738286342But the halfling was a werewolf, anon. You're going to tell me wolffucking is off the table now?
>>738282661early access helped bg3 a lot but if they do it again for Divinity they need to listen to absolutely NO feedback about the companionsshoving in Halsin was fucking retarded and turning the warlock guy into the most milquetoast hero character was nonsensical
>>738282038most of their games are front-loaded, BG3 was terrible with how it went though, everything about the third act felt half-finished and rushed, with literal camera cut aways to avoid animations
>>738285068they also changed "Daisy" so they have this song called Down by the River that was made specifically for the game and it means fucking nothing because the story beat changed from being "seduced" by the tadpole because it was too "rapey"
>>738281053This >>738281234Just look at BG3 and POE2. It generates insanely parasocial shills and lets them milk these retards.
>>738285068Halsin becoming a companion was also a decision they made purely out of loud EA player peer pressure.
>>738288875brainlets whine about the upper city being "cut" when it was never gonna be in bc of the sheer amount of other crap they were already trying to shove into act 3they were way too overambitious with that. The city is cool but you get absolutely bombarded with side quests that aren't as good as anything in acts 1 and 2 and some of the cutscenes literally look like early development placeholders (mainly the one where the factory explodes)
>>738289056>force him in bc coomer women cry for it>you can't even get him until late act 2 so none of the coomer women end up using him anywaysthey should never ever listen to companion feedback again, if they had for Dos2 Sebille probably would have gotten cut
>>738281053Because it worked very well for their previous games?
>>738288940Down by the River still has meaning, Baldur’s Gate is literally on the estuary of the River Chionthar and every characters story is about going back to there.
>>738281053OS2 and BG3 are as good as they are due to player feedback. That's the reason.
>>738281345>would haveEA testing wasn't necessary, don't worry.
>>738289283Let’s not forget the incessant whining about Laezel and Shadowheart being too mean as well, it was near omnipresent in EA threads, like anons had never heard of a character arc.
>>738281053never heard of her
>>738289441Considering how many players killed Sebille in DOS2 because she made a terrible first impression, maybe Larian wanted to narratively justify giving these bitches a chance.
>>738289441I didn't play bg3 EA but I'm curious if that's why those are the 2 first companions you meet in the full release
>>738289605Sebille is a very good character so it’s funny how many people supposedly kill her>>738289664Larian knows their audience. In DOS2, Lohse and Sebille are the two origins whose stories are better as companions. The male origins are better if you play as them yourself. Obviously the idea was you would play a guy and romance a girl.
>>738281053Early access is good kind of, it gets a bunch of customers playtesting for you in a way which probably helps quality control
>>738284173>groove killer MCs could turn the tables and male-dom Minthara on the altar including an option to stab her right there>Karlach was planned to be far more of a hard-assed bloodwar vet instead of a quipping plebbitfaggot on HRT
>>738281345It was dogshit though what the fuck are you even talking about they're owned by tencent not EA. I've never played a more cringy, boringly piss easy and awfully written game in my life and I use to really enjoy tedious turn based games like Gladius. Irredeemable trash in every category and I question the sanity/sincerity of anyone that likes it. To Larian's credit though a big part of that is how terrible 5e and all the Forgotten Realms retcons are but the game still has all the charisma of some Melvin larping as Shredder from ninja turtles and expecting to be taken seriously. It mostly just made me vaguely uncomfortable every time one of their Chrischan OC tier characters started making edgy jokes.
>>738289719She's the best romance by far, but she rarely makes it off the beach.
>>738289405And they both fall off a cliff after the opening act.
>>738289056Makes sense, I wondered why we got two druid companions which were basically the same
>>738289897acts 2 and 4 of dos2 are completely fineit's just act 3 that's weird and bad and filled to the brim with horribly uncreative combat encounters
>>738281053larian EA is alright in my books even though I will never buy into it because they're basically just pre-orders that let you play a vertical slice of the game, with updates to that slice every now and then. it's not like other EA games where they pretend to have not launched yet, it's a pre-order and a demo.
>>738287742Yes, pedobait overrides everything else. Child polymorphed into an adult? Child rape.Adult polymorphed into child? Child rape.Person who looks like a child polymorphed into an animal? Believe it or not, child rape.
>>738289761>"owned by tencent">30% preferential shares>preferential shares have no voting rightsso tecent owns 0% of the actual shares of the company?
>>738289761Wyll took like 5 EA updates to not die in his introduction scene each damn time, during the first few version simply by jumping off the palisade after his stupid "blade of the frontier" speech, that shit was hilarious to watch.
>>738290161>replying to someone so low IQ he thinks EA is referring to EA the company
>>738290213>I can't readwe already knew you couldn't
>>738289991at least that act is short so you can get in and out of that shithole in only few hours
>>738290161Yup.They are just investors.
It's not a about money It's about balance according to Dev's themselves It took KCD 2 months to get the difficulty right It's just really hard to balance anything complex, you can get more play testers but EA is a much better route Skyrim and oblivion would've been much better if they had EA and some changes were implemented after EA
>>738289441people killed sibelle for being a murderous cunt instead of doing her wack ass cuck story so they probably wanted to avoid that shit againi know i killed lae'zel the first time she showed up simply because she was rude
>>738290161By all means blow your load on semantics no one cares enough about to confirm while conceding to everything else I said. I'm happy with that outcome.
>>738289761>Owned by tencentTencent partially owns literally every single publically Traded studio
>>738290284>get proven wrong about thing>"that means I am right about everything else!!!!!"no, it means you are retarded
>>738290213Oh well I'm sorry a low IQ like me is just too dumb to know the pointless acronyms you made up in a discord with all five of the people that still give a fuck about Larian anything.
>>738281053ALL LARIAN GAMES ONLY POLISH THE FIRST ACTThere I said it. Their end game always sucksThe story sucksThe endings suckAND LARIAN NEVER GETS PROPERLY SHAT ON BECAUSE EVERYONE ONLY FINISHES ACT 1
>>738281053T-they gave me my nymphomaniac, adorable, sassy frog wife...I-I FUCKING KNEEL
>>738290440cry more
>>738289761I don’t think you’ve actually played many games
>>738285068>Scrapped a female Halfling who was also a werewolfBro, we were robbed, what the fuck?That pisses me off.
>>738290321No you.
>>738290440gee what could EA possibly be referring to in the thread about early accessit's so complex and mysterious, it must be a discord psyop or something yep. Trannies or something
>>738290442The Lower City and Arx are both very fun areas to explore. Act 4 of DOS2 in particular has some of my favorite encounters in the game.
>>738290543arx is based, final boss is also 5 million times better than bg3's even though it's easy to one shot the entire group
>>738281053To get feedback.
>>738290461>>738290486>>738290526Its not my fault recreationally hating Larian is more fun than their games maybe they should make good ones.
>>738290509She was an old lady, and her EA dialogue made it seem like she had a similar personality to Karlach. I think people are really overblowing her. She would’ve been just another boring good companion.>>7382905745e is just inherently harder to balance, so they erred on making things easier. Hopefully with the return to a videogame system, Divinity will have DOS2 difficulty again.
>>7382901506/10 bait, I replied
>>738290610Divinity Original Sin 2 is the best RPG ever made so far
>>738290610EA has absolutely nothing to do with LarianIf the thread was about an early access game of any other company, or no company at all as an indie game, and someone mentioned "EA", you're the autistic retard for thinking of the company.
>>738290574I will say though I dislike the second phase of the DOS2 final boss. It’s worse in every way. Thankfully if your build is good enough you can skip it.
>>738290665It's not bait, it's how Discord trannies, biblethumpers and journalists think
>>738290671You cant turn this around by baiting me so easily. I didn't even get an hour into the first one with its shitty asset store models and snarky millennial HR lady writing.
>>738290623they already said on a plebbit AMA that it's gonna be similar to the dos2 ruleset but with more skill schools, no diabloslop random loot, and and some kind of different shit for dealing with CC instead of physical/magic armorso hopefully that will mean it will hold difficulty throughout instead of falling off a cliff like BG3 does
>>738290710You're missing a key detail which is I don't care.
>>738290871Their systems designer and combat designer seem skilled, which is the most important thing. I just hope they dont nerf surface stuff too much, playing as an elemental mage was extremely fun in DOS2.Also note in the AMA they said different “action economy and character progression” systems. I think they will keep a classless system, but maybe have a movement points action points system instead of just AP
>>738281053Paying hundreds of thousands of people to playtest your game costs a lot of money so it's better to get people to pay you to do it for them
>>738290623>She would’ve been just another boring good companion.As opposed to the creeper faggot bear that invalidates Shadowheart as a proper romance from his mere Gary Stu presence?
>>738290950i too enjoy the surface memes, although in a lot of fights it gets hard to even see what the fuck is causing some of the stupid chain reactions (specifically with Curse)
>>738290950That'd be nice. Having to balance mobility against actual skills was kind of a ballache in DOS2.
>>738289719>The male origins are better if you play as them yourself.Mr. Main Character Syndrome aka Fane agrees
>>738290912I accept your concession, good talk!
>>738289441>Let’s not forget the incessant whining about Laezel and Shadowheart being too mean as wellDo you like it when people treat you like shit? Lae'zel makes sense, but Shadowheart doesn't.
>>738282841ok anon, we get it, you're butthurt
>>738281053If thats what it takes to make another banger, why not? At least you know what to expect this time around; just wait until 2 years after release to buy it when its on sale and bug free.
>>738291460Based and Fanepilled
>>738291291Yeah, people’s issue with it was visual clarity, not the actual mechanic itself. BG3’s fire surface is a lot more subdued and no one complained.>>738291317I like it in theory because having more choice and decision making involved with how to spend your AP is engaging. But in practice, it was just annoying, because movement it’s important enough that you will have to factor it in, but not so important it’s worth spending an AP on. That’s why The Pawn is a very good talent.
>>738292397Shadowheart didn’t even “treat you like shit” like Laezel does, she didn’t trust you and was very secretive because of her upbringing. Personally, I find the satisfaction of a good character arc to be worth the annoyances of a character displeasing me, especially in an RPG where I can choose my own dialogue choices to counter them back.
>>738289605>Considering how many players killed Sebille in DOS2 because she made a terrible first impressionMy first character was as an undead and I let her grab my hand when we first met, her reaction left a pretty good impression on me. I'm shocked to hear so many people hated her.
>>738281053Sven better let me marry a lizard girl this time round that asshole.
>>738293237I think the amount of people who killed her is overblown, most people didnt stake Astarion either.
>>738293272Swen likes self inserting as a lizard man, and romances elves, so I bet we'll be getting another male lizard it seems.
>>738281053Because their games a buggy messes that need as much playtesting as possible.
>>738293132Shadowheart's problem was that she was at first evil, as in you do evil shit she approves. Then they removed the evil aspect and she just became a bitch.
You get money from people beta testing your game, why wouldn't you do it?
No female lizard companion no buy, simple as.
>>738293687I do like the idea they tried with her where, she says she approves of evil things, but she actually approves of doing the right thing, being good. It's a gameplay way of foreshadowing her story.
The point of early access is to get people to test your game and give feedback so they can change/fix things, BG3 was originally a vastly different game. I know it's hard to believe because games like Battlefield use early access as a time-gated demo and not for testing or changing anything as the final game releases in an identical state as it was in early access.
>>738289761uh im pretty sure you were supposed to play a githyanki and fly off into the sunset with laezel for the true baldurs gate 3 experience
>>738293967It actually pisses me off that Microsoft's Activision-Blizzard has not done an actual beta test for their games in years. I still remember those WoW betas where they would give us pre-made characters...I really just miss when games were actually tested before release. Fuck man.
>>738293967Do they actually set up some proper feedback and bug reporting channels for the Early Access projects? Trawling the Steam community forum discussions for unsolicited feedback seems like a very inefficient way to improve the game.
>>738289761>though what the fuck are you even talking about they're owned by tencent not EA.Lmao did this retard really not know what "EA" means?
>>738290198Is there any footage of this?
>>738289761I think its insane 5 replies to this post didnt realize this guy thought EA meant the publisher and not early accessNiggas can't even read
Have you guys actually played BG1 or 2? My friend and I started playing and I think its crazy how much BG3 was inspired by the first two games. Other than the game being played in real time turns/ticks, it felt very similar. Like playing an old dark souls game. Theres also texture mods and decent ai voiceovers for everything thats not voice acted.
>>738296339its very clear that Larian put a lot of effort into making it 'feel' like a BG game ("DOS3" was one of the most common criticisms repeated in EA threads so it was something they might've wanted to address). portraits are a bit part, but the music is very very BG inspired. the way they use brass and woodwinds is identical to the BG1 soundtrack.you could say that responding to this criticism was another example of EA overcorrection, the hordes of people complaining that it didn't feel like Baldur's Gate led to things like old characters being shoved in where they don't really belong. I think BG3 Jaheira is well written for example but does she really need to be a party member?
>>738281053BG3 proved it works to scam people>here's the roadmap folx!>yes folx, just 3 years and it's gome from #lolz early access to uh completely done haha yeah we promise'>game is 'finished'>game 'releases'>still mogged hard by free mods, still missing over 70% of content promised, still needing monthly patches for updates>but uh y'know we said it's done so uh... lolz goty?????>>738281345>EAYou mean paid alpha and it's still in paid alpha. You just got scammed
>>738296510We just started 2 but it seems like they put a great amount of effort into either finding all your npc companions or finding out what happened to them after the events of the first game. Jaheira seemed a bit forced but overall I think act system seems a bit poorly planned out. The first game had seven chapters? Why did they cram it all into 3? Was there supposed to be DLC?
>>738296571>still mogged hard by free mods, still missing over 70%Huh???
>>738296859>The first game had seven chapters? Why did they cram it all into 3? Was there supposed to be DLC?What does this mean? are you talking about BG1 in comparison to BG3? Well, not to state the obvious, but they are two different games, despite following somewhat similar story structures. The "Acts" division is all arbitrary anyway, it doesn't matter at all for BG1 and BG3 the only real divider is going into Act 3 as it prevents you from going back to Acts 1 and 2
>>738296571At this point people are begging them to stop updating it as updates break mods.
Literally every single game can benefit from having 30k play testers >balancing is terrible in this area>this is a major bug >a lot of people feel like x should've been y
>>738297035>Hey its me Jahera I'm from the first game>Also the cow is a talking goo>Also the darkness kill you like in that movie>Also theres a moon goddess upstairs, don't mind her>Also HAS ANYONE SEEN HALSIN WE HAVE TO REDEEM HIM AND SAVE HIS TIMELOST FRIENDAll one one single fucking village, jesus fuck.
>>738281053because the cattles will pay 60 for early access
>>738297193To be fair, it's in the middle of Faerunian Silent Hill.
>>738297193I don't understand your point at all
>>738296339I always thought the Ray Muzyka portrait was based on Brad Pitt and the Kelly Goodine one on Sean Connery.
>>738281053QA testers for videogames are retarded and often inches away from homelessnesss at any time with a drug problem because the uncertain terms of employment at any time Early access games let your community test your games out and give large feedback in doing such without having an organize a whole play test and community interaction period in a private beta. You can also request a refund for an early access game any point prior to its official release on steam for the reason of being early access alone. So like lol just don't buy it
>>738297323The problem with playtesters is that they can deviate too much from the desired audience, and they may also become overly immersed in the game causing them to overlook certain glaring issues
>>738288940The problem with the initial version of the tadpoles and the lover is that everybody got sussed out entirely by it and thus nobody engaged with the entire tadpole system at allThe solution you can debate about but nobody would engage with the emperor as it was originally set up
>>738297387it doesn't help that the original powers, unlike the full release, were pretty terrible and quite arcane in their acquisition there was also a scene in EA where your party got horribly sick if they indulged in the lover. basically it was red flags all over.
>>738281345>would have beenLOL.Also, we know for a fact that the original story was much more complex and all-around more skillfully composed than what we've got as the final result. No idea who ended up working on BG3, but those people should spend the rest of their career working at McDonald's.
>>738297528>Also, we know for a fact that the original story was much more complex and all-around more skillfully composednot really. we actually know pretty much nothing. 90% of what people say are just headcanons.unless you're talking about the black hound but we know even less about the plot of that game
>>738293436Where did these scalies come from? You'd think women would not be interested or trying to kiss a komodo dragon mouth or something weird.Back then we didn't >Dragon halfHave>Breath of fireScalies>DaggerfallDid>Altered beasts We?>Adventure
>>738297563Okay, you're right, Still, the story of BG3 is such a mess that to me at least the glimpses of what could have been already sound better. What even WAS the point of the story? Take a dumb kill-them-all sidequest from Baldur's Gate 2 and stretch it for 3 acts, 2 of which are blatantly superfluous? These people should be fucking professionals by now, they've been making RPGs for a living for years and years! What the fuck.
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>>738289605>>738289719>>738293281>>738293237I kill both Sebille and Astarion every RP run I do.You threaten me. I kill you. End of story.
>>738297661>what was the point of a storytell a heroic adventure story with eldritch horror elements, involving Baldur's Gate and the Dead Three, that allows for a player to explore the sandbox world and adventure with either other players or party members>These people should be fucking professionals by now, they've been making RPGs for a living for years and years! What the fuck.I think they just value different things. Keep in mind that story has been a mess for them forever, they only really started caring about it in DOS2. Based off a talk the lead writer of BG3, Adam Smith, gave, I think Swen tends to prioritize freedom and choice over good story moments. He talks a lot about how hard it was getting the Orin shapeshifting stuff working but it was worth it because it was a good idea. Or Act 3 for example. Having the game end with a wide open search for the netherstones isn't good from a narrative structure perspective, an act 3 of a story should be quick and drive to the end. But the Act 3 story we got perfectly fits the gameplay of the Lower City.
>>738297645monster romance is very popular among women
>>738297859So do you kill jaheira and last light too? And zarell and moonrise?
>>738297968I killed Zevran in DAO, I killed Wrex in ME1 when he pulled a gun on me This only happens if you fuck up, you can tell him to stand down before he pulls the gun at you I'm pretty sure..>So do you kill jaheira and last light too? And zarell and moonrise?Not necessarily. I don't blame characters for being guarded when they run into a stranger (your PC). For example, I don't harbor a grudge against Lae'zel at the beginning because she assumes everyone onboard is mind-controlled. I specifically kill people like Sebille, Astarion, Zevran, etc during RP runs because they pull a knife/gun on you.
>>738281053It will be an overrated slop anyway
>>738281053Because they want dumb niggers like (you) to pay them to beta test their interracial porn slop.Also, they don't have as much money as you think, because Larian signed a very one-sided deal with Hasbro. Subsequently, a HUGE amount of BG3 profit went to Hasbro. Not to mention that they probably also needed to pay off Tencent, because it owns 30% of Larian.
>>738300716ok
>>738296339>Have you guys actually played BG1 or 2?Numerous times. They are two of the best games ever made.I quit Original Sin 3 after about 2 hours. Fucking trash game.
>>738281053>why are they using early access again for their next game? they're one of the richest studios in the world now.Early Access means you get player inpu early on an can build upon that. Expand the game seeing how people are plying your initial build.
>>738301624their developer process has been described as extremely iterative anyway so EA is even more useful
>>738281345>would have been dogshit>made shadowheart a softy instead of a bitch>removed the tadpole (daisy) trying to tempt you to giving in to ceremorphosis>pulled marvelslop out their ass to replace the original story
>>738303878the story wasn't replaced with anything. the symbol of the absolute was always a combination of the dead three symbols. the prism always had the same design. you're just making shit up.
>>738281345the EA is better than the finished game, retard
>>738304017>>738303878Larian absolutely changed a bunch of story beats and characters from the EA due to hasbro being jewish as fuck. like they were clearly setting up that halsin killed isobel in the EA and then cut it and made him a gay rapist. none of the shit in act 2 makes sense because they rewrote it at the last minute and fucked up the timeline. they had reasons for all the characters being weak and level 1 in the EA and then just changed it to >lol tadpolesin the final game because they separated the tav and durge characters idk how much of the shit was larian vs hasbro, but they gayed and marveled up the story and characters between the EA and final game
>>738281053good ideaact 1 is the most polished part for a reason
>>738304319Well considering the previous games of Larian i'd say that Hasbro definitely meddled. I am unironically glad that Larian aren't going to be working on BG4 and having to deal with Hasbro.
>>738281053>why are they using early access again for their next game? they're one of the richest studios in the world now.Ask the suckers who give them money to be allowed to beta test their games for them.
>>738304728yeah hasbro is a shitty publicly owned company that blackrock and the other dei fags own a decent chunk of
>>738304765I bought the early access right before release because I was able to get the digital deluxe content without having to pay $10 extra dollars, it wasn't as much of a scam as some people claim
>>738281053EA is what allowed BG3 to craft Act 1 into something that pandered to everyone with no complaints that it got them GOTY without people being able to play the unfinished crappy Act 2 and Act 3. So yeah they're gonna do it again.
>>738305137what's wrong with Act 2? I don't even think it was that buggy at launch
