I really hate when you look at concept art for a video game and it's better than the final product
>>738291024If you can look at the Super Mario Odyssey concept art and NOT recognize the Mario Mandate was real then you are beyond saving.
>>738291024basically the super mario movie was how new donk city was gonna look likesurprised no one has modded the npc's to look more mario esque
>>738291441The most sickening art concept book I've laid eyes on.
>>738291024Tale as old as time.
This happens literally every single time, I dare you to prove me wrongConcept art always looks better than the game because its impossible to turn a painting into a game
>>738291441>Mario MandateCan someone inform me? I haven't touched nintendo since the gamecube.
>>738291024Did Mario Odyssey become the reboot of the Mario franchise or what?
>>738292021meanwhile the actual mushroom kingdom in the game
>>738291024It looks pretty close to the game. I don't get it.
>>738292670nice file name retard
>>738291024>People STILL don't realize that what makes New Donk City special is how plain it seems on the surface, but upon closer inspection it's a truly bizarre place.
>>738292021I don't think having little Toad houses would have made the Mushroom Kingdom better, especially considering it's largely just a nostalgia trip for SM64. Make no mistake, I would have liked that too, but it doesn't gel with what they were trying to do.
>>738293032What exactly what it have taken away from the Mushroom Kingdom we got which is literally some random block floating in space and peach’s castle which is totally empty
>>738291024Still sold 40M copies so it sounds to me like they knew what they were doing better than you
>>738292517nobody knows what it means, it's some schizo theory about Miyamoto hating fans or something.
>>738293110how many cod and fifa copies are sold every year?
>>738291024It looks like mario wonder artstyle which nobody likes
>>738293094Just like Super Mario 64.
>>738293279It was a game from 1996 made in 1 year, what’s Odyssey’s excuse for having equally random levels which are just disconnected floating blocks
post it
>>738293351Because it's a fucking love letter to that game? I don't understand what you don't understand. Were you expecting the post-game victory lap world to be the largest and most detailed, that they would recreate the entirety of that hub world while adding to it?
>>738292517Basically a conspiracy that Nintendo limited the creative range of their Mario IP starting around WiiU/3DS era. Fans noticed a few Mario games (Paper Mario games, Mario 3D Land, NSMB2, Mario Party 9/10) felt very stale and only reused old existing designs and hardly deviated from it. But then you have games like 3D World, Odyssey, Wonder, and Mario+Rabbids that don't fit that bill. Personally I think there was no mandate and the developers of those games were just lazy. But nooo, that CAN'T be it. Miyamoto must be the villain who is purposefully making these few spinoff games (mainly Paper Mario) soulless and shitty for some reason!
>>738293278I don't see it
>>738293616Paper Mario was 100% Tanabe having a spergout after Miyamoto rightfully pointed out SPM's character designs were shit.
>>738292670This implies that somehow they managed to move Yoshi's house from Yoshi's Island by cutting out a a gigantic cylinder of dirt from the ground. But Peach still placed his home somewhere surrounded by a empty canyon because the Toads are racist against dinosaurs o something
>>738292517As I understand it, it's saying that the Mario brand is carefully managed so that it can only be vapid and sterile, and Mario himself is in Edgeless Mascot mode at all times. They don't allow anything really interesting to slip through
>>738293738these are kino fuck off. Made sense in that world they went in
Will absolutely use AI to liken games more to their concept art once it's advanced enough.>B-But the developer's vision-Not every game's visual style is fucking Okami. Most are lazy unity assets anyway.
>>738293616>conspiracy>Miyamoto must be the villain who is purposefully making these few spinoff games (mainly Paper Mario) soulless and shitty for some reason!It's basic fucking corporatism 101, dude, especially if they have an image for being family friendly. They carefully guard their brands to be as safe and sterile as possible. It's not an absurd notion and it's not a matter of cackling villainy. It's just sterile boardroom marketing and HR meetings
Man I love mario games more as I get older
>>738293969>mandate>only applies to like 6 games out of 20yeahok
>>738294042>only applies to like 6 games out of 20By your own narrow interpretation, but it's not like those other 14 games are really breaking the mold
>>738293613Just because it's a nod to a previous game doesn't mean that they should do the bare fucking minimum
>>738291024>New Donk City is a bizarro world where everyone is either Mario or Luigi.
>>738293616Similar toads appeared in the movie, they just didn't want mutant toads because they never appeared in any mainline game.
>>738294097>make literally 100+ Mario games>why is there a dip in creativity lately?
>>738291024The concept art in this book mogs the everliving shit out of the actual game.>>738293616There's truth to the mandate and it was more so Tanabe than Miyamoto. And of course there's laziness with the spinoffs too, like it still is.Mario is being mandated differently now being less stale and more quirky toddler shit, which is worse and gayer.>>738293738Valid crashout but Tanabe is still a fag.
>>738293278Wonder is so utterly forgettable
>>738294704>There couldn't POSSIBLY be corporate interference ensuring the games remain as safe and formulaic as possible... that's just a conspiracy theory!!!!
>>738294794>that's just a conspiracy theory!!!!It is when there is very little data to support it. Now I'm just repeating myself.
>>738291024You must be pretty pissed because that's like 90% of all concept art
>confused when a simple scribble can't be translated into a high definition 3d model and texture exactly as it is
>>738294913Intelligent people are able to make rational assumptions about things that are not spelled out explicitly.It is more absurd to think they're NOT carefully curating Mario's image.
>>738295106I'm gonna rationally assume you are a gay retard
>>738293278>>738294743This place is so retarded I can’t stand it, you should all kill yourselves for your and my benefit
>>738291024>What if New Donk was LuncheonU r Mr Gay
>>738295173Congratulations! I knew you could do it.
>>738293613Yes, I except a game from 2017 to have more internal logic and consistency than a game from 1996. The point of Odyssey is to travel the world, isn’t it? Then why is every level just some random void floating in the air, not part of any larger world?
>>738295387because of hardware limitations and because nothing is gained gameplay wise by doing that
I want an artbook for Mario Wonder to come out before I die. If you think Odyssey had it bad, there's probably a thousand cool ideas they tossed out in that game, because they basically threw darts at the wall for what Wonder effects would be added.
>>738293110It would have sold the same if what was real and what got scrapped were switched and the new donkers being tall, realistic humans served no purpose besides that one moon where you hop across their heads.>>738293278Nobody has a problem with Wonder's art style. What people have a problem with are the kiddier voices/phrases, the plant, the cool gimmick that had lots of potential turning out to be superficial spectacle and nothing that turned the typical 2D Mario gameplay on its head, and the lack of bosses. Most people liked the character models taking inspiration from the classic 2D sprites as it made them look more expressive as opposed to the blank staring robots we've been getting for years now and the people who kept screaming "forced soul" at it couldn't articulate anything that was wrong with it beyond assigning some vague feeling that its inclusion was motivated by cynical pandering as if that somehow makes the more charming animations less charming. Also, the colors and backgrounds are prettier to look at than any of the NSMB games before it.
>>738291024I know right? Zero 2 would have been kino.
>>738295524Ai Zero 2*
>>738295198name 1 song or location that you vividly remember from mario wonder
>>738295575the epstein's new island
>>738293738Super did jump the shark and Miyamoto was right in calling out Tanabe and asking him what the fuck most of that had to do with Mario anymore. But doing what they did instead of just going back to what the first two Paper Mario games were like was an absolutely brain dead decisision too.
Concept art is pretty much always better than the final product. Concept art really spurs your imagination, makes you wonder all sorts of things. But then the game comes out and the imagination stops, now its just right in front of you, the mystery is gone. The final product feels worse because your imagination is no longer activated.
>>738295575The poison mushroom swamp with the bramble guys with bungie cords on their heads, and the dark woods theme from that area. Or the musical pumpkin level. Or the boo opera. Or the pink cloud level with the pole extending blocks. Or the pink cloud level with the athletic theme version. Or the level with the enemies that kick ice blocks at you with the great snow level music
>>738291024Nothing tops Epic Mickey in thay regard, the concept art is a completely different product.Also Killers Freaks from outer Space
>>738296976>killers*KillerGosh
>>738291024good ol' conceptart delusionit's not that you think concept art is better, it's because it's "unobtainable"
>>738296976that wasn't concept art of the game itselfthat was just them throwing various ideas
>>738294726>valid crashout
>>7382936162010s was the Meta Era not only for Sonic but for Mario. There I said it.
>>738291024Pic unrelated.Mariodyssey looks better.
>>738293278Wonder is amazing, you tourist.
>>738293616>conspiracyMongoloid.>>738293964AI results are dogshit, too.
>>738294913>very little dataMongoloid
>>738300291No its not, you dumb faggot. NSMBU mom's it to hell and back.
>>738292707this guy posts this every week claiming the original new donk city was "stolen" because they fundamentally do not understand how concept art works.
>>738300526>moms itlmao, you had a typo in your retarded post!!
>>738297104Cloud's chin kept getting more oblong
>>738292517Nintendo stopped making original characters in series like Paper Mario and opted for generic toads and koopas instead. After some interviews and speculation it was thought that Nintendo adopted strict company policies to regulate the perception of the Mario IP and its characters.While it hasnt been proven it hasnt been disproven either.
>>738293964What book is this?
>>738300573Are we not allowed to believe the original concepts for a game are more interesting than the ideas they went with? New Donk City just looking like New York and having real humans is the lamest possible idea they could’ve went with. And they did. A city with Mario-like humans and more wacky architecture would’ve been way better.
>>738291024That's literally all concept art. Devs always have to make concessions to be able to create something actually playable.
>>738300872yeah no shit a concept leaves more up for personal taste than a complete product.
>>738293032How would it not be an improvement? Even Mario Galaxy had toad houses at Peach’s Castle. The Mushroom Kingdom in Odyssey is fucking barren and makes no sense since it’s just disconnected from everything else
>>738300573I'm convinced that they don't even know what "concept art" means. Yeah no shit it's going to look better in that stage because it's a fucking concept. Same with the retard who posted the fucking GC Zelda tech demo lmao.
>>738300998You guys just outright deny the possibility that the final product of a game should be as good as the original ideas invented for a game, it’s baffling.
>>738300872This. It looks really out of place. Its the same vibe I got playing Sonic Adventure originally. In the previous games the only human was basically Eggman and suddenly theyre all over the place? And instead of being in some other part of Mobius we are in the middle of a city?Mario is a little different in the fact that Mario is a human but why dont other humans look like Mario? He looks like a weird subspecies compared to the New Donk residents. I mean even the Mario Movie characters make more sense.
>>738291024For me it was when seeing concept designs of street fighter characters. Capcom without a doubt always picked the single worst design as the final one.
>>738301060they literally can't be as good, concept art is designed to be evocative and a launch pad for picking a final state. The final state is unable to encapsulate every single thing a CONCEPT represents, as that definition is what moves it from a concept to a product.When you make a movie from a script, all possible interpretations of the script are replaced with the final movies product. The vision of the director.
>>738301084Mario games make 0 sense in terms of continuity but Nintendo insists there’s a coherent timeline for the games for some reason. Pauline being a little girl in Bananza, Brooklyn never being mentioned or shown in the games but only in the movie, Mushroom Kingdom having a different appearance in every game, Pauline and Mario not being the same type of humans as New Donkers etc
>>738301174They absolutely could’ve done things like add a sense of lived-in civilization to the Mushroom Kingdom by adding stuff like houses. They already did in Mario Galaxy! They went with an abjectly inferior world design for every level in Odyssey. Contrast this to Mario Sunshine where every level makes perfect geographic sense and feels like it’s really located on Isle Delfino
>>738300853Check the bottom right of the image
>>738292517>Can someone inform me? I haven't touched nintendo since the gamecube.One of Nintendo's top producers, Tanabe (Metroid, Luigi's Mansion, Paper Mario, Fire Emblem, etc.) said when Paper Mario the Origami King released that he was NOT ALLOWED to make any new Mario characters or to modify existing ones. So for example he could not make a goomba who was a cowboy or a Koopa that was made of gold. If he made a goomba it had to look and act like every other goomba and a koopa had to look and act like every other koopa. This was part of a broader issue during the Iwata era of Nintendo where everything was simplified as much as possible - game design, story, characters, etc. to appeal to the casual audience. Iwata did not believe that Nintendo's success came from the core audience, he wanted to sell to old people and young children, his "blue ocean" strategy. Iwata died in 2016, but games take years to make now and the planning stage happens first so you can feel his influence in Nintendo's games up until like 2021 or so.
>>738301869To be fair I think a lot of the problem with Odyssey's world design was hardware related. Odyssey was pushing the switch to its absolute limit. A lot of the game has to run at fucking 720p. The game looks really beautiful for a 60fps switch 1 game, but that came at some costs. There's a reason why for example the two biggest areas in the game are both full of sand and why the ruined kingdom has basically nothing in it but one dragon.
>>738291024Epic Miickey is a good example of this.
thats why fromsoft >
>>738291024jerking off concept is just another flavour of being an ideas guy
>>738305465If you think fromsoft games are better than Mario, you would be wrong
>>738293110Stop this verbal anti-discussion vomit
