Are we winning bros?
so /v/ is fine with AI sloppa as long as they can coom to it
>>738298231Looks like concept art, what makes it AI? Genuine question.
>>738298227Theyre apparently gonna bring it to steam actually, rumours say
>>738298168Tacky and overdesigned realism slop. There's no strong silhouette to these designs they're just metal swimsuits.
>rollslop
>>738298168go back
Is reddit in the room with us?
>>738298274nta but it looks like peak AI slop art, because its absolute generic korean MMO design.
>>738298168>Are we winning bros?Yes, they've already started shitting themselves in impotent rage>>738298227>>738298231>crying about aiLmfao
>>738298168for pointing out how stupid, generic and ugly they look? if they're going to make gooner bait at least make the outfits more appealing, that middle one is the worst.
>>738300030>korean MMOs were made with time-travel AI technologyW t f
>>738298168Yeah it sexy but it's also relatively normalI'm tired of people exaggerating on what's an average display of sex appeal.
They'll announce a steam release at E3 just watch, the fem armours look kinda gay but they're guest designs by the look, chicks will still get some proper sets.
>>738298168I saw that thread and read some of the comments and it's super funny when you realize every single person whining about it is a man or a tranny.
>>738298168they need to be shorter, flatter, showing more skin and with bigger butts
>>738298168>Are we winning bros?>steam releaseyes we are
>>738300618cry harder
>>738298227Environmental Social Governance exclusive?
>>738298168buy a banner
>>738302940Wait are they doing a steam release now?
>>738298168Highly disappointing they aren't gender locked. That's not a total win yet.
>>738298168They're skimpy, but they lack eroticism
>>738305648>they lack eroticismNah they're plenty so for any normal straight guy. Otherwise they wouldn't have been a staple for ages
>>738298168>some pick-me grifter shilled by asmonturd and pandering to the men that despise her for her sex had a hand in this, so it can't POSSIBLY be sexist or soullessLOTF2 won't last 5 minutes! Men Only!
>>738305974BackgroundNPC even leaning into the tradcath shit like a good little grifter girl
>>738298227found reddit
Its worse than bad, its boring. This could be any random KMMO from 10 years ago, LOTF has no identity.
>>738305648Because a foid made it. Same issue with Ninja Gaiden 4.
>>738298168Why haven't they released a new game yet?
>>738306175>LOTF has no identity.To be fair, neither does anyone crying about "woke" "DEI" "they're taking away sex appeal"
>>738306198We need to milk the "gamers want sexy" shit for as long as possible! We can't let a good grift go to waste, after all. We even hired a literal NPC complete with alt-right talking points to act as out female spokesperson!
>>738305821These outfits aren't cool, interesting, or exciting in any way other than being hot, which makes them boring in any context other than cranking my shit to them.I'd prefer the outfits to be both cool and hot. Is that too much to ask of a $70 + tip AAA game?
man this board really is bluesky during euro hours
>>738305648The problem is they start with trying to make them sexy, before making them a character or someone "cool". Lea mogs all those girls and she lacks any skin showing.
>>738306387every cutscene with her was safe horny and she was caked the fuck up while wearing skin tight pants
>>738298168What other tired MMO slogans am I missing?
I guess the retarded polish cucks think aping gook/chink freemium MMO designs will make lords of the fallen not suck. Call me when they'll make a game deserving a higher average score than 7.
>Reddit are losing their minds over this The fact that anyone on this website or that website gives 1 single shit is pathetic. 0/10 thread, kys OP
>>738306382Yeah, lots of "anti-woke" twitter pajeets around this time.
>>738298168it's sexier if I can picture it being functional. Shit like this waters down the implied character of the woman wearing it, thus making her less appealing. 70% of the sexo is in the person, not just the outfit>>738306387case in point
>>738298168We will be buying.
>>738298464If epic have given them shekels for development, that exclusivity deal will last a while, by which time it will be long forgotten.
>>738306626There's a good chance it's gonna be free on relevant sites before that.
>>738298168skimpiness is cool but how cute (Asian) can we make her in character creator?
>>738298168It's a start I guess.
>>738298168This shit is just not very good, anon.Only this is acceptable because it is OK to be a slut if you are with.But other ones? Just poor taste
>>738298231Separate issue, faggotThat is assuming it's AI at all, faggot
If the game is good that's fine. People seem to forget THAT is the most important thing after all.
>>738306698You're a fucking homo. Skimpy valkyrie is peak female armor design.
this thread really shows how cucked, sucked and fucked /v/ got from all the discordtroons, trannyera and gcj tourists >>738306698>Just poor tastebro dilate lmao
>>738298168This looks like shit
>>738306768Nah, it's too slutty
>>738298168only thing I don't like is them using it as a marketing tactic in a "we're not like the OTHER soulslikes!" wayjust have them be in the game and let people discover it naturallythat's how you get this shit normalized again, just have it be there and not act like its this huge thing to have sexy clothes
>>738306726The devs seem to forget that, too. But when you're pandering to horny men who think Stellar Blade wasn't a flop and that GookslopMMO that everyone made fun of is peak...>>738306778Aw, the "anti-woke" crusader is trying to say his first words
>>738306287>it's a grift to make characters attractive
>>738306802If it was chainmail bikini you'd maybe have a case, but I still wouldn't agree. This is perfectly fine.
>>738306816Their marketing has been nothing but "gamers want this"
>>738306809>its this huge thing to have sexy clothesBut it absolutely is. Just look at how RAPED people got in response.
>>738306778Yeah, sorry that I have basic taste and know Lords of The Fallen is mediocre crap like the rest of CI library. Them making half-assed attempts to pander to 'anti-woke" indians like you instead of learning how to make a genuinely good game shows that they really are hopeless. Most polish "game devs" are retarded kikes anyway and I say it as a Polak.
>>738306210Funny how it's only "crying" when people reject your ideological rotBut not when you wailing grifters demanded the ideological rot in the first place
>>738298168for me it's the middle one and the one on the very rightthey look hot and cool, left has a dorky crown, the one next to it i'm just not a fan of the vampire look with the horns, the horns would look cool in like light blue as part of a more mystical outfit, and middle right is nice too i just imagine in game the cloth parts would be so awful in motion
>>738306853The only thing RAPED will be the game's low sales. Rightoids like (you) don't even buy games.
>>738306845All good if they deliver. Can't belive a board with 24/7 coom threads in the open would be that fucking prude.
>>738306814>Stellar Blade wasn't a flop and that GookslopMMO that everyone made fun of is peak...oh my God, westacucks are still bleeding
>>738306853ok, that doesn't change what I said.acting like this is just gonna bring attention to it and make it seem fake. especially if you advertise it in a way that suggests you are trying to pander to a certain culture war class
resetera tourists fuck off from my board
>>738306871>OY VEY STRAIGHT WHITE CHADS HATE SEXY VIDYA WOMYN WE ACTUALLY LOVE FAT CALIFORNIAN TROONSLLLLLMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO HE'S STILL AT IT
>One copy of Lords of the fallen 2
>>738306875>people reject your ideological rotSo is that why the right can't make video games and everyone's laughing at them?>>738306897Anon... it took them at least three months to hit 1mil. Gookslop never lasts a year.
>>738306893They won't, retard. Holy shit, did you start playing games yesterday? It's CI, they used to be known for making literal bargain bin trash and their "ambitious" games released in recent years are not much better.
>>738306845>marketing is a griftlmao, that's not completely incorrect I suppose, but do you apply the same standard to every marketing campaign ever?
>>738306932>maybe we should pander to people buying games for a changeThis is somehow a bad move on their part.
>>738306891>RightoidsAIDSbro...
>>738306968What games have you legally purchased lately?
>>738306952>So is that why the right can't make video games and everyone's laughing at them?Lmao you must be seething hard if you're being this obvious about trying to get a rise out of me
>>738298168No they arent. Nobody cares.
>>738306935Indians please fuck off to the indian subreddit.>>738306941>IF YOU HAVE BASIC AWARENESS AND KNOW LORDS OF THE FALLEN SUCKS YOU ARE CALIFORNIAN REEEEEEEEAgain, I am a Polak so I know that the only good game you can count on made by poles is some autistic indie product. Witcher, Shadow Warrior, Ghostrunner, Sniper Ghost Warrior, Lords of Fail, whatever - all mediocre garbage.
>>738306965no, I'm saying the way they are advertising it specifically.stellar blade was an ecchi game made to pander to the majority consumer audience. it didn't advertise itself as an anti-woke game to own the libs. some people tried to paint it as that, but the developers treated it just like any other game, which was the right move.
>>738306953Both LotF were good, leagues above the shovelware Spiders or Deck13 produce, and that's the cost bracket I compare it to.
>>738306993Brb boutta play EM8ER
>>738306952Anon... You lost... It's all over, Saudi Arabia beckons
>>738306871Most modern developers are hopeless and creatively bankrupt, but I'd rather them be hopeless, creatively bankrupt and not woke, than hopeless, creatively bankrupt and woke
I just wish they would take more inspiration from western sword & sorcery artwork and less inspiration from generic Korean MMO designs.
>>738307007SB still failed>>738307047I accept your concession
>>738306998>self hating cucklord/larpergrim
>>738307030>flailing so hard he's Grummzposting nowkeep going, this is hilarious
>>738306998Flaseflag, or some disgusting occupation leftover.
>>738307052No matter what way you slice it, someone's not gonna have their vital organs
>>738307058it both sold and reviewed quite well considering its budget. I don't know where the narrative that stellar blade was a failure comes from. not everywhere is the american west coast where your games need to sell 10 million to break even
>>738307052Valid point, but it's a step in the right direction at least
>>738298168I like hot women but these do nothing for me. I don't get the vision except "Show off skin and look fantasy"You can do that but if you want to be sexy then know where to tease. The reason stuff like heart-shape sweaters and zettai ryouiki work is because they know exactly the spots to tease that fit both a modest and slutty design, because they instantly make the imagination spark.These characters, I can say they're fit and feminine, but otherwise they're forgettable to me
>>738307082So you admit the right can't dev?>>738307109See >>738306952
>>738307104Yeah, you, if the brain was a vital organ, but clearly you continue existing without it, baffling the scientists around the world.
>safe horny trash
>>738306932>ok, that doesn't change what I said.It does THOUGH lolIt goes directly against youThis is how normalization and reactionary pendulum looks like. This is normalization. If troons can advertize their slop with a mutt woman shaving her head in the mirror then this is the least they could show.>trying to pander to a certain culture war classThe gender poll showed who the overwhelming majority is.
>>738306387>>738306592retards
>>738307140I admit you're lashing out in fury because your ideology's influence is in rapid decline.
>>738307023I genuinely fucking hope you did NOT jusf say that original Lords of The Fallen was good because holy FUCK I can't imagine having such dogshit taste. I heard someone describe it as "Dark Souls for Android" and to me it was very accurate.>>738307049And I would rather replay sifu than play any of your "anti-woke" garbage.>>738307071>>738307092Mam do was mówić we własnym języku, jebane Indiańskie gównojady? Dobra kurwa mać, macie. Polacy kurwa mać NIE POTRAFIĄ robić dobrych gier, wszystko to nic tylko kupa śmierdzącego gówna z błyszczącymi teksturami. Jedyne dobrw polskie gry to autystyczne indyki jak KeeperRL, Helltaker, Soulash albo Casualties Unknown. Wszystko inne to jebane GÓWNO.Teraz zamknąć mordy albo wasze jebane matki zdechną w czasie snu dzisiejszej nocy.
>>738307058I do not consneed though? SB smashed and raped you. I'll be making threads for the sequel, see you in those lol
It's rare these days to see feminist culture warriors forced to the fall-back position of "what about the male outfits?!". It's a question posed in bad faith. Ever notice how all their requests and demands are aimed against rather than for a group of people? Are they buying the Veilguards, Concords, Forspokens and so on made specifically for them? No. They don't care. So why would they ever buy this game? Their sole concern is repelling a straight male audience by any means necessary. Meanwhile all actual gamers want is their toys back.
>>738307140senran kagura has sold about 1.5 million units too, that doesn't mean there isn't a market for ecchi games.>>738307170I don't think you understand my point.its embarassing and offputting for the consumer to be so blatantly fake with your pandering. take that medieval combat game. the developer was asked if there was going to be gay romance mechanics in the game. instead of just responding "no", he used terminally online buzzwords to try and ignite a culture war argument. this is not a winning strategy for anything but making your cause look really annoying.
>>738307228>And I would rather replay sifu than play any of your "anti-woke" garbage.I don't want "anti-woke" games, I want games that aren't woke.You're too much of a retard to understand this, because you just want your politics shoved everywhere.
>>738307170>The gender poll showed who the overwhelming majority is.Unfortunately for you, that poll is just a hugbox, not a reflection of the real world.>>738307198I already accepted your concession. Keep seething about the inevitable, Mark>>738307246Now show us how long it took for SB to even crack 1000.
>>738306932>pander to a certain culture war classYou mean gamers?
>>738307247>"what about the male outfits"We used to be a proper society where that problem was solved.
>>738307247marvel rivals has sexy designs for both men and women and its doing just fine with minimal controversy, so perhaps that's the path forward for this kind of thing
>>738307256>its embarassing and offputtingIt's not? It's just product marketing. Sorry but vidya is not for mature red carpet jew larpers.
>>738307256>senran kagura has sold about 1.5 million units tooThat's laughably low>that doesn't mean there isn't a market for ecchi games.Because there isn't, especially not Artstation gookslop like this
>>738307228Goddamn, the impotent autism just oozing out of this post. Friendly reminder this is the moron you're wasting your time on arguing with on this site. If anyone bothered to even translate it, mother of all spergouts.
>>738298227is chuds the only word you know you retard
Lords of the Fallen never had an identity of its own. All the designs are just ripped straight outta Warhammer like pic related is an average model in Lords of the Fallen. Looks like they're copying Lineage for the chicks, but that's logical if they're trying to appeal to Asian markets. On a side note I think it's based the dev scammed Tim Sweeney outta exclusivity bribe money to fund them through their EA period, but now that the game is finished and approaching 1.0 Release they're bringing it to Steam. Fleecing free money out of Timmy's EGS is always the morally correct choice.
>>738307298>picrelI urge you not to look up the latest redesigns. Fucking side-shave and they lack the power fantasy appeal.
>>738307256>he used terminally online buzzwords to try and ignite a culture war argumentI don't remember the exact wording, but my memory is he said he cared about fun, not politics.The fact this sends you into a frenzy should make you seriously reconsider whether your positions are rational.
>>738307269>Now show us how long it took for SB to even crack 1000.?Sitting at near 4 million sales on PC alone.It's a well budgeted games because Koreans are high IQ unlike westranny scammers.
>>738306382a lot of them are ragebaiting faggots, some are women who feel like any female character that's hot is an insult to them.
>>7383073784 million in 2 years? That's extremely sad.
>>738307295no.>>738307303its annoying and offputting product marketing. again, stellar balde never advertised itself like this. is it really controversial to think that making your game into a culture war magnet is a bad idea? im surprised I'm getting pushback on this.>>738307308>That's laughably lownot really when you consider budgetagain, not everywhere is the west coast.>>738307364he specifically said something like "we don't want to pander to the modern audience :)" which is a meaningless term only used in culture war fights. a simple, "no" would have caused much less controversy.>The fact this sends you into a frenzy should make you seriously reconsider whether your positions are rational.what are you talking about?
>>738307269It's not healthy to be so angry about culture war stuff all the time anonYou need to get offline and touch grass
>>738307257And I already play games that are not "woke" while widely avoiding anything declared as "anti-woke" because it will be fucking trash. Do I have to remind you how Kingdom Coom Deliverance was supposed to be le anti-woke? Then the dev turned out to be a kike drifter proudly putting in gay sex, WE WUZ bullshit and kike worship in the sequel? Stop being brown.
>>738307416>not really when you consider budget>again, not everywhere is the west coast.See >>738307414>>738307434Speak for yourself Mr "THEY MADE MY VIRTUAL WIMMINS LESS SEXY LITERALLY 1984"
>>738307378People still use SteamSpy numbers?
>>738307269>Unfortunately for you, that poll is just a hugbox, not a reflection of the real world.Democracy rapes you.It's over. You lost.
>>738307378>mostly chink playersMeaningless
>>738307467Whatever pushes the agenda. No source is 100% reliable either.
>>738307461its not that sad. I would say that its a success. its a single player action game
>>738307416>"we don't want to pander to the modern audience :)"No he didn't faggot, you interpreted it that way because you are insane, and you see a refusal to pander to your cult as an act of hostility. Even if he had said it that way, it would not justify your reaction.You should get over this and learn to cope, because it's going to happen more and more often.
>>738307491Democracy is when I gather a hugbox of likeminded virginal men to agree with me
>>738307467>SteamSpyHoly shit skullfucked raped into blindness
>>738307434nta andyou are right but the grass is green, just like men are men and women are women.
>>738307140>So you admit the right can't dev?Halo and Halo 2 beg to differ.
>>738307520>its a single player action gameMy favorite cope <3 Will you say this line when LOTF2 inevitably fails like SB did?
>>738298168There's more to sexy armor design than doing the same retarded strapless + cleavage + thigh + tight + tiara/crown Wonder Woman look for every outfit. The armor designs in the last game were shit too, now they just show more skin.
>>738307460>And I already play games that are not "woke"So what are you bitching about?
>>738307523my reaction was>this is a tacky way to advertise your game and won't help gain playersI don't really know who you think I am or what I said. And now you are accusing me of being in a "cult"? This is just ridiculous
>>738307523>you see a refusal to pander to your cult as an act of hostilityThat explains why you get pissy whenever there's queer themes, a brown person or a woman that doesn't look fuckable enough for your liking.
>>738307505That's where the market is, get used to them senpai.
>>738307461>Speak for yourself Mr "THEY MADE MY VIRTUAL WIMMINS LESS SEXY LITERALLY 1984"I'm not the one seething up a storm in this thread about sexualized characters, anon :)>>738307549Agreed
>>738307625Ok chinkbot>>738307648>:)Gonna cry?
>>738307598Indians who shit all over my board with their "anti-woke bullshit".If you don't want le woke then just play good games that are not woke instead of simping for polish shovelware producers who want to be le anti-woke for twitter likes.
>>738307414LMAO RAPED
>>738307608>And now you are accusing me of being in a "cult"?You are in a cult. You are offended by a rejection of your cult's beliefs. You read into it hostility and insincerity."We want to focus on fun not politics" would not elicit a disapproving reaction from a sane person.
>>738307709>"RAPED" and it's fucking midYou'll shill for anything to "own da libz" will you?
>>738307714>You are in a cult. You are offended by a rejection of your cult's beliefs. You read into it hostility and insincerity.The irony of an "anti-wokester" saying this
>>738298168>terrible game but sex?You arent playing the game, you are being played
>>738307339>On a side note I think it's based the dev scammed Tim Sweeney outta exclusivity bribe money to fund them through their EA period, but now that the game is finished and approaching 1.0 Release they're bringing it to SteamSource? Or is this just another poor brown fa/v/ela gabenkike cocksuckers schizophrenia?
>>738298168Good sexy armours means cool but titillating, while these are basically just "sexy" halloween costumes.Maybe give them cool helmets and masks and you can salvage them.
>>738307620I've never gotten angry at a developer for saying "I don't want to put politics in my game", unlike you culture warriors
>>738307714>You are in a cult.what? which one?>You are offended by a rejection of your cult's beliefswhat are you talking about?>You read into it hostility and insincerity.not really hostility, just that the guy most likely wanted to start a culture war fight for some unknown reason>We want to focus on fun not politicsthat's not all he said but even that is questionable because its bringing a political dimension to the conversation which of course is going to invite people to throw a shitstorm over itI don't know why you are so hostile to my post. All I said was I disliked this marketing strategy and I don't think it will work out in the long term. You have gone absolutely crazy and keep throwing character attacks at me for no reason. Get a grip.
>>738307668>Gonna cry?I'm winning, so the only reason I would cry would be out of sympathy for you.Needless to say, that's not going to happen.
>>738298168Not a single Lords of the Fallen game has been good.
>>738307825>unlike you libtards i don't get upset about>WHY ARE THERE NIGGERS GAYS AND UNFUCKABLE WIMMINS IN MY GAME
Why do asians love spiky armors so much?
>>738307680>f you don't want le woke then just play good games that are not wokeI will, and there will be a lot more of them now because wokeshit is on its deathbed.
>>738307817Crack pipe. I'm sure it'll land on steam eventually, but by then nobody's gonna give a shit about it.Hell, nobody itt is gonna give a shit about it once they close the page. Autists just like to feel something, even if it's anger at nothing.
>>738307874>I'm winningYou're shilling for commie China. You haven't won shit.
>>738306132Well you've found me.. now what?
Actually unless it's the first Soulslike I played, it's rollslop.
>>738307942bro meds
>>738307538Basically displays the same shit Steamspy did, and guesstimates on analytics. 2-4m is a wide ass guess.
>>738307971Gonna tickle your antenna.
>>738307793>The irony of an "anti-wokester" saying thisI don't need my beliefs inserted into everything, nor do I demand this.>>738307830>pretending not to understandlol> just that the guy most likely wanted to start a culture war fightThe fact that you read this into "we want to focus on fun not politics", which as I remember is extremely close to the exact words he used, reveals an extremely skewed perspective on your part.
>>738307228There's nothing more gross than cynical self hatred btw. You're not an intellectual, you're just a cuckolded pick-me liberal traitorous western wannabe. This is why people think you're a subhuman.
>>738308016even ignoring the "modern audience" comment, do you not understand how "we want to focus on fun not politics" when no explicitly political things were ever mentioned is going to cause a culture war shitstorm? he basically got handed a lit match, and decided to throw it into gasoline for no reason, and was surprised when a fire started. I'm the guy on the side, saying that maybe setting this gasoline on fire is a bad idea. don't know whats so hard to understand.
>>738308016>I don't need my beliefs inserted into everything, nor do I demand this.So why do you demand every female character wear less and look like dolls?
>>738307912I've found certain political inclusions to be tiresome, but I repeat, I never got upset over a developer stating he didn't want to be political. My position is much saner than yours :)
So like, what about choice? You can be a dude, in full plate armor. You can be mostly naked or in lewd outfits in Elden Ring. No one's chimping out over Elden Ring showing cleavage. Choice is their enemy, choice is globalism, choice is freedom, you can't be happy liking what you like, it has to be taken away and you must be given something that you don't like for some lofty ideal of humanity that does not exist in the activism let alone the real world.
>>738308105>sure i don't want anything that triggers my straight cis while male fragility to touch anything i won't buy anyway but uh... you say it's retarded for a dev to utter culture war nonsense so i win>the smiley face means i'm totally not mad see
>>738308092>no explicitly political things were ever mentionedAsking for minority representation is inherently political.>I'm the guy on the sideMaybe you are, but you're still laying blame at his feet by interpreting a very benign response as being deliberately inflammatory. Maybe the people who go insane over being told no are the problem?
>>738307763not that nigger, but the game is funstellar blade is only good for the porn, though
>>738298227SAAR PLEASE BRING ON STEAM SAAR NO STEAM NO REDEEM!
>>738308162You're absolutely right. There should for sure be a choice. Men absolutely deserve to look their sexiest in the heat of a war and strut their stuff while their jiggly bits bounce around. After all, it's about choice, right? You don't want to deny men the chance to be EMPOWERED, do you?
>>738307491This poll ruined their lives desu. It dispelled and exposed just how outnumbered they really are. Especially because they followed through and changed it back to male/female. This is why the vitriol is fucking INSANE even on /v/. They fear this will be repeated by other devs too.
>>738308103I don't do either of those things. Just keep your culture war shit out
>>738308273None of those losers polled will buy the game. They'll move onto the next grift. Vidrel is a western mistranslation.
>>738308262The most infamous Elden Ring player wears a pot on their head, the dicks in Conan Exiles have jiggle physics, go for it we know you love manbearpigs buttfucking dudes in a shed, have at it.
>>738308275>Just keep your culture war shit outYou first, mister "IT'S ADAM AND EVE, NOT TYPE A AND TYPE B"
>>738308229the problem is that he didn't just say no, he made the problem worse. perhaps that wasn't intentional on his part, as I doubt he has any PR experience, so maybe I'm being too harsh on him but still. for controversial subjects like what he dealt with, you have to give cold, clinical, dispassionate responses, ideally in a removed manner. just saying "we have no plans for anything like that" and ignoring all other comments on the topic would have been a better move, if anything.
>>738308273>WebmNice fake subtitles. I'm sure they never said that.
>>738308329>conflating male humor and optional scenes with objectification
>>738308162BG3 does this and that also escaped controversy from its sexualized outfits. also helps that they're all in the second half of the game so easily angered nongamers don't see them
>>738308273That video, but with audio:https://archive.org/details/with-koso-koso-day-2-fvdq-to-3-v-6no
>>738307625>stellar blades 60.4%damn
>>738308189>straight cis while male fragilitylmao>saying "I don't want to focus on politics" is uttering culture war nonsenseeven more lmao>the smiley face means i'm totally not mad seeNo, the smiley face is an expression of smugness. :)Is it not enough? Maybe you can give me some tips, I know leftists are the smuggest fuckers on the planet. Teach me senpai.
>>738308348>he made the problem worseThe problem lies entirely with the people weaponizing outrage. Tutting at people who don't walk on eggshells around the perpetually offended is just giving them power and rewarding their tantrums.> just saying "we have no plans for anything like that" and ignoring all other comments on the topic would have been a better move, if anything.I doubt it, since he'll probably get more sales as a result of the controversy.
>>738308534has there been any game that's become more successful by becoming a culture war firepit? I can't think of any.
>>738308339>"Type A" and "Type B">"Male" and "Female"I wonder which of these is normal and organic, and which is culture war shit? Hmmmmm....
>>738308308Anon, it is your kin that doesn't buy games. Even if you did you are so small and insignificant to be profitable. Nobody wants your shit polluting any game.Here, found the dev reupload just for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4s512g6gf0
>>738307491The head Dev was banned from his own games subreddit and the mods of said sub started spouting straight up bullshit about the game
>>738308383The problem is most companies just put forth either forward facing material, or completely demolish a once-dominant flagship, popular IP and attempt to paint it with the DEI brush that removes objectification by denying the reality of sexual dimorphism and human dynamics. Take Diablo 4 as an example. It's almost universally agreed the females are very ugly, potentially trans sounding, and definitely a few transexual looking "Body Type 2" characters that have had their objectifiation removed with wide waists, square torsos and flat chests, but villains are allowed to have big breasts and hips. The cash shop releases fetish gear, leather straps and chains, succubus armors, so when it comes to money, for the media presenting face of the game you think you're getting your DEI dream, desexualized deobjectified women, in thongs from the cash shop.
>>738308563Kingdom Come Deliverance almost certainly sold better after standing up for artistic integrity.Indies in particular struggle to even garner awareness. Publicity can only help them, especially if it's something as uncontroversial as "I don't want to focus on politics"Maybe if he'd said "fuck niggers" or something he'd lose sales, but he can only gain them from this.
>>738308262no one cares if you play eldon ring in a loincloth..what is even your point, troon?
>>738298168these designs for me go in the other direction of stupidity where they just destroy any kind of grounded aesthetic the game would otherwise be going for. now I haven't played Lotf, but yea. This just looks like some Diablo 3 or Korean MMO shit and noone going into melee combat would be dressing for sex appeal like that.
>>738308631OH NONONONO, S-SISTERS???
>>738308721I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Culture War publicity didn't help Ex Voto any. I doubt his game will flop or anything though, since by the time it releases the controversy will be long forgotten. My point still remains that this kind of marketing is annoying and counterproductive.
>redditors being pussies that get offended by everything more news at nine
>>738298168Boring sets. The other ones look much sexier.
>>738298168Looks fucking terrible. Even Skyrim skimpy vanilla armor mods look better.
>>738308871>Culture War publicity didn't help Ex Voto any.That's because it's on the losing side.
>>738308967I think both sides are embarrassing and retarded, personallyig I wish I lived in a world where something as simple as "appealing character designs" isn't tied to a lame political activist movement.
>>738309054>LE BOTH SIDES
>>738309086yeah. I think this thread is a good example of that.
>>738308952>Formfitting "plate" that still shows breast, waist and hip sizesThat's the stuff.
>>738298168>not a single one with high heelsBikini armor is totally fine but that's where they draw the line?Fucking retards.
>>738309054>I think both sides are embarrassing and retarded, personallyWhich is dumb, because you should blame the aggressors, not the defenders.>ig I wish I lived in a world where something as simple as "appealing character designs" isn't tied to a lame political activist movement.This is what the people you call retards want, too. They're just willing to fight for it, while you prefer to think you're above it all.
>>738309127A lot of it is fake outrage, possibly samefagging. How can they even pretend to claim victories in highly moddable games where gooners can just mod every female into a skimpy bimbo as they please? Stating such a fact garners "Go watch porn, go masturbate, you shouldn't get to look at naked women pixels just because." like I have an infinitely reloading penis.
>>738298274What, so you can prooompt less of the snuff that makes it AI? Nah. If it looks like AI then it'll be treated as AI.
>>738298168looks as terrible as generic korean slopthis is "our game is pure shit" levels of generic skimpy
>>738309206a lot of the "defenders" chimp out when they see black or gay characters. just like the "aggressors" when they see sexy characters. they called morrowind woke slop because there's a gay character. I just think this whole activist mentality is retarded. so don't try and swindle me.
>>738309143All plate armor was (historically) form-fitting.
>>738298168LotF 1 was aggressively ugly and their women were even worse, but this isn't tasteful at all. Korean MMO tier shit. Really doesn't match the vibe of the previous games. I do like the 2nd from the left though. Some kind of Adyr demon whore noble. Adyr really does need some class to be a compelling force. Like why join the ugly spike cult of edgy gore? What's compelling about it, it's just aggressively ugly.
interesting how when theres a slightest hint of "chud" it sends the absolute gayest faggots into a frenzy
>>738309435I am not attracted to men's shapes, retard.
>>738298168Dis is boringThey should be wearing full princess dresses with heels and silly hatsAnd have MUCH larger breasts
>>738309520I wasn't aware tiny waists and big hips were men's shapes, Anon.
>>738309605This and yours do not even look remotely the same.
>>738309443I'm glad dark crusader will also be available for females. I thought they gender locked it, KMMO style, with enchantress addition.
>>738307052faggot detected, that hair is horrendous
>>738309442>Like why join the ugly spike cult of edgy gore?To be fair, I do think you can make an aesthetic out of that. Mortal Shell 2 interested me a lot more than LOTF2 because of how many wacky metal-album-cover monsters were in the trailer. OP's pic is just as flavorless as Skyrim's daedric armor.
>>738309443>IS THAT A MINISKIRT I SEE!!! FOR SHAME!!!!leftists are lame, gesus xrist
>>738308262>>738308383>oh yeah what if we objectified the MALES how would you like it?>yeah go ahead>grrrr MALES ONLY LIKE TO BE NAKED FOR HUMOR FUNNYare you against objectification or upset at the lack of bara porn games?
>he doesn't agree with me? he must be from the opposing political party! Americans really live like this.
>>738309752Yeah it's absolutely cool to look at but you have to justify its existence within the setting. If Adyr of old "humanity" had horny vampire demon women then you'd understand why the nobility of a certain kingdom would become cultists. The literal demon soldiers are just the mask coming off. But in LotF there's no subtlety. "Actually we're just muder spike demons from hell lmao" Adyr could use some development and refinement for their world building to make more sense. This is a force that has SOMEHOW persisted through who knows how many years of Radiant domination. You don't really get that if your whole shtick is "Welcome aboard, murder the child and wear its skin and in return you can start fires with your mind"It's just kinda lame.
>>738309971doesn't 40k Chaos have this problem too?
>>73830972680s hair looks great.
>shit our game sucks>roll out the coombait!
>>738310026No, chaos is perfectly logical and enticing and by the time the mask slips you're either already balls deep into a cult and have split the veil or you're in literal hell. Until that point there's plenty avenues for chaos influence to spread. Noble Warrior lodges of combat that turn a little fight clubby and then a little murder happy, that would be khorne. A circle of noble patrons hosting artists of ever escalating artistic prowess leads right into a slaneeshi pleasure cult. A bunch of freemason faggots jewing it up is a straight path to tzeench. I have less of a concept on why or how a cult to nurgle would exist. Maybe among filthy lepers? Idk. I feel like Nurgle worship is the most circumstantial.
>>738309919bodied that strawman you brought up for no reason
>>738310131It looks like dogshit.
>show sexy amor sets and faggots complain >show the full armor sets to ladies to shut the faggot upBased devs.
>>738310131the hair is bad but the art is goated, that's why I commented. Boris is a good artist but he's clearly obsessed with that zoomer pube perm.
>>738309398>a lot of the "defenders" chimp out when they see black or gay characters.People tend to dislike propaganda. When they don't fall for it, anyway.>they called morrowind woke slop because there's a gay character. The occasional retard is to be expected, but this one sounds like a false flag. Those occur sometimes.>I just think this whole activist mentality is retardedLying down and letting the activists walk all over you and your hobby will not make them go away.
>>738306871The games not even out yet so this entire assertion is quite literally nigger tier.
>>738303162cry harder for pointing out that the suits are ugly and generic which they are
>>738298168I only like the one on the left, but liking 20% of all armor sets sounds like a good deal to me, extrapolating. Having a visceral negative reaction to not liking 5 armor sets in an RPG is a little weird, writing whole articles about it is VERY weird.I don't even think people should push back on that like they have, the articles themselves are offputting enough, no one will take that seriously.I didn't like all armor sets in the previous game, why am I expected to be angry about not liking all of these?
>>738310328>posts a fat nigger slobYou are not fooling anyone, leftie.
>First two posts are outright liesI can tell something fishy is going on
>>738307298looks awkward and dorky, just 2 gym rats with fake tans wearing ridiculous rubber boots and tight underwear
>>738310589What part of it being an Epic exclusive is a lie?
>>738307058>SB still failedSo they’re making a sequel to a game that flopped??? Shift up could ha easily cut their losses and ran back to NikkeI think you might be a schizophrenic retard
I dont care if the armor sets are unrealistic, I dont care if the men are covered up while the women are wearing bikinis. I WANT to see that shit in games like this. Fuck off with anita sarkeesian parroting and die
>>738306838>>738306768I disagree. The design is mid, and I'll tell you what it's lacking. If it's going to show that much skin, it needs a full helm or a helm with a face mask.
the first game fucking sucked and I'm not falling for the "hehe we're based now!!" shtickI bet you fags would suck Varva's dick if he came out and said "uhm we're no longer woke, now buy KCD3"
>>738310732By face mask I mean death mask
>>738310732You control the pieces of armor you equip. Fashion Souls was always about mixing and matching to create original looks, only gay faggots wear full sets.Games with set bonuses tend to understand this too, since most of them have a transmog feature.
>>738310732Based, that was really dumb of me to miss that.
>>738310775>I'm not falling for the "hehe we're based now!!" shtickThere's nothing to fall for as long as you don't pre-order.>>738310781>Fashion Souls was always about mixing and matching to create original looks, only gay faggots wear full sets.Nope, you're full of shit. You know how I know? ER is particularly egregious for it, every genetic piece of steel plate has a different fucking shade or texture, it's near impossible to find shit that actually matches.
>>738310613peak
>>738307414Lies of P and Stellar Blade both hit 4 million in less than 3 years. These are new IP from studios that were unknown in most markets. If that’s a failure to you than you must think all games must sell like GTA5 to be seen is success lmao
>>738310775I liked it more than Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring. It's no Nioh 2 but I like it more than all the other soulslikes I tried.
>>738310428See what I mean? Everything is in terms of "propaganda". It's very fear based, because its designed to manipulate you into becoming a drone for their preferred side. I want no part of it.Unfortunately, there might come a day where every detail has been fully politicized. Every aspect of life can be defined as "woke" or "unwoke". You must be either one or the other, or society can't understand you. At that point, the universe will cease to exist because life will have no meaning.
>>738310796I knew something felt off and I couldn't figure it out. Every outfit had a tiara so it was throwing me off, but I think the more skin you reveal the better it looks with a full helm. I don't know why, but it just does.
>>738308952Source? They had a new showcase?
>>738307058SB was so succcessful they're making a sequel. I don't accept your transition.
>>738298168Whats wrong?
>>738310898Yes. Posted it 3 hours ago on their facebook.
This shit is so embarrassing.Like cool include sexy armour. But just include it in the game quietly as a thing people will find and then use if they want to. Using it in advertising is just embarrassing. Doubly so when you show off armour sets and it’s all female characters wearing coomer sets. If they showed off 3 dudes wearing different armour each, and 3 women wearing different armour, some heavy, some light, and one bikini armour just amongst the rest it would’ve been fine. They’d still be telling people “look at this” but have plausible deniability that they just wanted to show off a variety of cool armour they were working on.This is trying way too hard.
>>738310821How am I full of shit? Been doing that since 2010 in any game that lets me.
>>738306949Very based. I put like 400 hours into the new LotF so I cant wait for #2
>>738311001Looks like ass. clownsuiting isn't a reason to not have solid cohesive full sets. Just think it's another quality piece to mix.
>>738307135they're literally showing less skin than women do IRL even in "serious" contexts like corporate offices the absolute terror cuntoids feel when they see a depiction of a woman in videogames or movies is hilarious it's like they know their only value is as eye candy, so when you create more eye candy it devalues their pussy and they get mad
More like Lords of the Risen PenisLMAO
>>738310693This. There's no real organic demand for gender parity in costume design. It's only ever brought up when woke activists have lost the battle to exclude female outfits that appeal to straight guys but still seek a way to turn them off the game. It's dev/artist time and money that could be better spent elsewhere
>>738311065It's the result of rising children in a closeted environment. These mf's got a phone at 5 and their brain fried too early
>>738310847>See what I mean? Everything is in terms of "propaganda". It's very fear based, because its designed to manipulate you into becoming a drone for their preferred side. I want no part of it.It is actually propaganda. They insert it on purpose, for propaganda purposes. They talk about the importance of doing this.>Unfortunately, there might come a day where every detail has been fully politicized. Then reject that. Tell culture warriors to fuck off like we do.
>>738311218>Then reject thatI literally did in this thread and people were arguing with me about it lol..because they were culture warriors.
>EGS exclusivityit will flop again, chud-friendly or not
>>738311054Nope, it's cool. Check my Kung Lao.
>>7383113382 is amazing in that regard. You can throw aynthing together and it looks at least decent.And the character creator is the best TN ever made.
>>738308952fake artorias looks sickI wonder if they'll just have nipple pasties for this game with how many armor sets show cleavage with no sign of chest wrapslooks much better without them
>>738311338shoulda gone with browner bracelets, the metal gorget is very distracting.
>>738311297You're telling the wrong people to fuck off, idiot.
>>738308273Makes sense. I never understood the hate LotF got but that makes sense. Its just seething trannys that see their doom approaching lol
>>738311330I'll buy it. I enjoyed the last one and that looked even worse than this. I think their ranged system is pretty revolutionary.
>>738298168Now make it an actual RPG instead of rollslop
>>738311414Shoulda play the game, lol.
>>738311419No I've only been proven right. I make a simple post that trying to pander to a culture war side is a bad thing and that they should present these sexy costumes in a neutral manner....flood of replies by crazies who think I'm their political enemy. Thats what culture warriors do. They need to fuck off because they are only making things worse.
>>738311401It really is amazing, the game as a whole is a masterpiece, finally surpassed Ninja Gaiden Black as my favorite Team Ninja game.>>738311414That's part of the weapon, I have both a Switchglaive and Fists equipped. Should have switched from the Fists so they would disappear before taking the screenshot, but I thought the shade of green from the weapon looked good with it.
Should I play the remake? I am not expected GOAT but if its at least fun enough I'm willing.
>>738311517Pandering to me is good, actually. Fuck off.
>>738307491>that poll doesn't reflect the real world>oh yeah? here's a poll from a DIFFERENT echo chamber ???
>>738311626So you either admit you're a culture warrior, or admit you can't read. Either way you need to fuck off.
>>738311460Soulslikes are deeper and more hardcore than RPGs.
>>738311614There's no remake, it's a completely different game that is actually a sequel and just shares the same name because they backtracked on calling it The Lords of The Fallen like a Fast and Furious sequel title and just gave it the same name.That said, the story isn't really that important, so just going straight to this one is no big deal.
>>738311614These are two completely different games, do with that what you will.
>>738311635Your life would be better if you stopped lying to yourself. At best the normie is utterly ambivalent to what retarded blackrock money chasing troons like you call male or female. The only people that support this shit actively are transhumanist retards with a lot of money and institutional power.
>>738306949>sir, this is a mcdonalds
>>738298168I'd bbuy it if they were lolis instead of hags.
>>738311517You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded
>>738311614I liked it. They added a ton of modifiers and stuff for new game + so you can mix and match whatever.
>>738310551Dumb ass fakecel gcj troon. Not fooling anyone nigger.
>>738311216I wouldn't blame normalfags. Literally everything they do is because of propaganda. It's the fault of their masters that the propaganda is so absurd and that they exploit the retardation of women and their pussy cartel to do some weird shit to normie's sexuality
>>738298168From left to right:>Classic brutal amazon getup. Passes.>Classic evil sorceress getup. Passes>Worst of both worlds on the realistic-bikin armor scale. Amazingly terrible.>Good girl amazon getup. Passes.>Why is it full of plate armor bits and a pauldron, when the rest is skimpy? Kinda meh.
>>738311635make a poll "let's kill all trannies mayhaps??" and most people would anonymously vote "yes" on every platform
>>738311995last election most people anonymously voted that they don't care about trannies and that they see their focus as politicians forcing a wedge issue
>if you buy this you're falling for propaganda>but if you don't buy it, it somehow proves chuddies don't buy the games they say they wantI have tranny exhaustion
>>738298168Plenty of skin-revealing armor in the first game, including for men, but I dunno if reddit noticed.
>>738311517There's the side of academic feminists and other activists who actively wanted this culture war and carefully planned/executed it. Then there's the "side" of innocent gamers who one day, out of the blue, had this culture war forced upon them and responded in justified self-defense. It looks you've chosen where your sympathies lie
>>738298274It looks nice
>>738312207holy yap
>>738310821>Nope, you're full of shit.You are new and brown. /v/ had fashion souls threads for DS2 the first week. And when Mordhau dropped we had knigga threads in open beta.
>>738312207How is it self-defense to try and pander your game to terminally online people instead of just, making a good game and promoting it (like stellar blade did, as I have pointed out multiple times)You are literally doing what I pointed out of making everything an "us vs them" situation.
>>738312280>Ds2I will grant you that ds2 has less of this issue. IT became more prevalent in ds3, with basic ass metal plate having dozens of different shades and textures.
>>738298168>please buy our terrible game because your ideological opponents hate itHow about... no
>>738312362DS3 looks like ass in general, no surprise the fashion is ugly there too.Still did it, though, wearing full sets is a declaration of homosexuality.
>>738307052The exact same trolls would instead complain that they're just wearing swimsuits.
>>738312474cute japette
>>738312293If it's all just terminally online, imaginary whatever then it will fail and you have nothing to worry about. But you do seem extremely worried though
>>738312515Not really. The reason the other side adopted these activist tactics is because they work. I never used the word "imaginary". I'm worried because extreme polarization has been the trend for the past 10 years and now its only going to get worse unless people call it out.
>>738307339>like pic related is an average model in Lords of the Fallen.No enemy in the game looks like that.
>>738312207>feminists and other activists who actively wanted this culture warGotta go deeper. It was seeded by US government to fracture the left after occupy wall street
>>738312635Calling out people trying to stop the feminist culture war agressors is not helpful. Unless of course you believe ensuring a decisive victory for the woke agressors is the quickest way to end the culture war
>>738312873I'm calling out people who act like culture warriors as culture warriors. As for evidence of why acting like a culture warrior is bad, I present this thread.
>>738308952Cool helmet. Nice to see the armor still shows feminine hips of the girl wearing it.
>>738307491We won, bigly!
>>738308273Reminder there was so much online backlash to this interview that the devs had to delete it from the internet and apologize
>>738298168I still have trust issues from the first game, it really was that bad
>>738313372>the first gamewhich one
So any info about the steam release? I ain't downloading EGS
>>738313431Most likely the 2014 one, that one was a stinker. The new one is unironically good though
>>738313485Contract probably forbids them from hinting at it. But them always insisting that they're "player first" to me is just confirmation that it'll be out the moment the exclusivity period is over.
>>738313568When that could be iyo? I'm out of the loop with the game but I'm interested in getting it
>>738313790Probably a year, six months minimum.It's a lot but nowadays games launch so barebones and unoptimized that you're better off waiting anyway. The game will run better and have more content for a lower price.
Double edged sword, I feel like if this flops it'll be the wokie's version of Concord. They'll bring it up at every opportunity. Obviously even at worst case scenario it won't even be close to the disaster Concord was, but they'll still weaponize it.
>>738313431Lords of the Fallen (2014) The first 1. The game is completely broken and unplayable
>>738313924Funny how they make two games with the same name. Why
>>738313568>But them always insisting that they're "player first"It's a marketing slogan you steaming retard lmao Also they openly stated this shit was NOT profitable on Steam because it got reviewbombed by poorfag niggers which killed the sales, so steamies are not their "players" anyway.>>738313790>>738313856Never. It's an Epic 2nd party game - like Alan Wake 2. It only exists because Epic funded it. Consider this a Playstation exclusive, digital storefront gabencucks.
>>738314040>It's a marketing slogan you steaming retard lmaoObviously, moron. But they're marketing something. Being player first is obviously at odds with not releasing where your players want you to, so they'll spin it as "we listened!" a year from now when it was always the plan from the moment they signed with Epic.
>>738314040Well, unlucky for them then >gabencucksWhy would I want to have w multiple launchers on my pc when most games are on steam?
>>738314000They announced the second one as The Lords of The Fallen, people made fun of it, so they changed it to Lords of the Fallen. People should have made fun of Lords of the Fallen II as well to make them call the third game "Lords of the Fallen" again.
>>738298231My dick doesn't discriminate
>>738314135>raped steamie schizophrenia fanficAlan Wake 2 status real quick? You are not the players they have in mind. You're a broke reviewbombing gypsy crying because UE5/Ebin/Denuvo burned down your favela second time this month.Fucking hell the threads are going to be unbearable from all the broke monkeys like you, store begging.>>738314231Nobody gives a shit nigger, alt tab back into TF2
>>738298168I enjoy the previous game but I dont play as a woman because I'm mentally well.
>>738314620If you think you're avoiding self castration by playing games in a certain way - congratulations, you are already mentally ill.Before you also shoot up a school know that it wasn't the fault of vidya either.
>>738314409>Alan Wake 2 status real quick?Bought, beaten, despised. Game sucked. Doesn't hold a candle to Control. Alan Wake Remastered was worse than the original but I bought it there too. The fuck does this have to do with anything? Where am I begging for anything? You're a mindbroken EGS shill assuming everyone is your culture war enemy. Kill yourself immediately.
>>738314887why would you ever grant a post like that the dignity of a reply
I enjoy attractive women but they are not enough to make me play bad and mediocre video games.
>>738314930The tranny faggot believes his own delusion, being confronted by undeniable reality takes him one step closer to suicide. It's worth it.
>>738298168After i started to play porn games i just feel bad for people who go awooga over designs like this. There is a whole world out there that they are unaware.
>>738314887>B-BUH AH PLAYE-Holy shit you really are retarded lmao. Favela reading comprehension.The point was it's still an exclusive you genuinely demented subhuman. Because it's Epic funded. Like this game. Dumb APE.>>738315007What delusions, you projecting storetranny? You're writing actual schizophrenic fanfics about "h-hehe finna be ported in six months" like some shitskin when you literally have an example from 2023 about an EGS exclusive, funded in the same way.Get four different ass tumors and die screaming.>>738314930Nice upvote bro. Your father is a nigger.
>>738315514It's still exclusive because it's an Epic published title, unlike Lords of the Fallen II, you retarded tranny faggot. It's relevant to bring up that I bought and played it because, unlike you, I do not have "storefront loyalty", I just acknowledge the facts.You're a deranged tranny on the verge of suicide and I'm giving you a little push.
>>738315514>Because it's Epic fundedUntil CI buys back their rights, as Tymiński has hinted on doing.
>>738298231Two wordsBooba
>>738315689You're a projecting castrato, writing actual mentally ill fanfics >>738313856Slit your shit filled tubes and stop polluting threads with store begging.>>738315747In 2 weeks.
>>738311216no it's not. It's women being insecure. Tale old as time.
>>738298168These look great but I've seen plenty of great concept arts getting raped in-game so I'm gonna refrain from celebrating too early.
>>738298168I'm assuming body customization won't be very high given how every girl seems to have the same breast size and general shape
>do basic bikini armor that was super common in the 90s-2000s>WOOOOOOOOOOO NOT REALISTIC WTF COOMER COOMERshut the fuck up retards
It sucks being part of the 0.01% of people that have taste and aren't particularly woke because this looks like shit but if I say it looks like shit, people think I don't want women in skimpy armor.
>>738317064Maybe people wouldn't assume if you didn't type like a faggot.
>>738317064Eh that's ok, we can't all like all styles. As long as you don't go around claiming the game is shit because it has these armor designs or that it needs to censor them you're fine.
>letting the overton window shift so much that this shit that's barely skimpier than vanilla Skyrim is supposed to be daringAsia remains our only hope it seems.
>>738317713The reactions alone prove how fucking grim the current state of gaming is. Jfc
>>738317713Zoomers have been conditioned to think anything less than a thick baggy sweater and snow pants on a woman is "gooner bait" which makes it borderline pornography. We can only hope gen alpha fights back against this conditioning.
why are you on reddit and why do you care faggot
>>738312293Being in this thread and making post after post about how bad it is to "pander" makes you seem like something of an activist yourselfI'm starting to think you're not being entirely honest about your sympathies.
>>738317967baggy sweater and big pants can be incredibly sexy if it highlights the midriff
>>738312942>don't shoot back at the people attacking you, that makes you just as bad as they are!
>>738298168Why are you people so obbessed with reddit?
>>738318593expressing an opinion doesn't make you an activistI just have the apparently incredibly controversial opinion that tying your game marketing to culture warriors is not a good idea.>>738318657I will call you out for polluting videogame discussion, yes
>>738298168looks like a bunch of regular females but i guess for western cucks it's like porn or something
>>738318768they made rage comics unfunny and i will never ever forgive them for it
>>738318823>I will call you out for polluting videogame discussion, yesYou say this after spending a fucking thread whining about how a developer is "pandering". How is that not polluting discussion, by your standards?
>>738318823>I just have the apparently incredibly controversial opinion that tying your game marketing to culture warriors is not a good idea.I'm sure you call it out with just as much fervor when developers pander to woke sensibilities, yeah?
>>738319113here's what happened in this thread>I remain positive towards the clothing, but dislike the way the developer seems to be attaching himself to culture warriors for marketing purposes. I argue that this is a bad thing and not the way to get sexy clothing normalized in videogames again.>anons come out the woodwork to screech at me, accuse me of being their political enemies, and in a "cult", because they are culture warriors>I point out their behavior and how negative it is for discussion as a wholeso, actually, there was no whining. I made a simple post and a bunch of retards tried to discredit it for no reason.>>738319201yes? if you bothered to read the thread there was another culture warrior who was getting angry at me for claiming that stellar blade sold well.
>>738307302>corpos get away with breaking the rules
>Misogyny bait threadNice try, Shlomo.
>>738319365You ARE in a cult. You can pretend to be neutral and "sensible" all you like, but you don't pass the sniff test, mate. You stink of activism no matter how you try to hide it.
>>738319625Thank you for proving my point. Posts like yours are the reason why this kind of thinking is so unhealthy. Now fuck off.
The most degenerate gooners on the internet will tell you it sucks because you only masturbate to games
>>738298231I already beat off to AI pics. I don’t give a fuck.
>>738317064>aren't particularly wokeDon't kid yourself, woketard.
>>738319804It's not healthy to spend a whole thread tutting about how developers didn't take a neutral enough stance for your liking so they must be pandering to culture warriors, while simultaneously complaining about how discussions get subsumed by culture war shit.Your actions don't really make sense given your stated position and you are protesting just a little bit too much about something completely benign.You are an activist pretending not to be.Maybe I could give you the benefit of the doubt if I hadn't seen this shit so many times before, but I have, and at any rate you're not as subtle as you think you are.
>>738298168>Reddit is losing their mindsWhy?
>>738317064What looks shit about it?
>Lords of the fallenIs this series the poster child for "It insists upon itself"
>>738320357perhaps if anons didn't respond so violently to my initial post I wouldn't have felt the need to defend myself. but ig replying is useless, we're already on the "you're either with us or against us" stage. have fun contributing to the spiritual heat death of the universe, nigger
>>738320605>perhaps if anons didn't respond so violently to my initial postAnons have dealt with hundreds of disingenuous activists saying the same kind of things you are.But maybe you are just a garden variety retard doing retarded things like placing blame where it doesn't belong and counterproductively soliciting the kind of discussions he claims to be fed up with.It's been known to happen.
Hope this game gets real threads when it comes out instead of bait threads. I really enjoyed the first game.
>>738320937I think I will keep blaming culture warriors for going schizo at the slightest sign of disagreement and acting like the spanish inquisition over whether you're "the enemy" or not I single-handedly experienced both sides of the culture warriors in this thread alone. You're all cancer.
>>738298168I’ll be sure to the buy the so long as it has no ugly bitches in it
>>738321079>I think I will keep blaming culture warriors for going schizo at the slightest sign of disagreementYou will keep getting angry about developers "trying to ignite a culture war argument" for simply expressing the desire to make a normal, thus becoming the polluting culture warrior that you hate.
>>738321364no not really. I've already given examples of a dev making an ecchi game without trying to get culture warrior goodie points.
>>738320489It's the non-Hollywood west looking at From Software and trying really hard to show "see? We can do it too!"If it was Hollywood, I'd laugh at them and tell them to fuck off. But since it's just the guys in the backyard, I just chuckle and give them a "you tried" award like I'd do to a tryhard kid.
>>738321432You are loudly disapproving of a developer communicating an answer that doesn't tread softly enough for you. Having such a strong opinion about how a developer navigates culture war topics makes you a culture warrior. Congratulations.
>>738306478There's a few good ones you're missing
>>738321726I disapproved of this worrying game design trend. Anons disagreed with me. I explained my reasoning. None of this is very loud or culture war-y. I'm pretty sure the anons insisting I must be their political enemy are the actual culture warriors. My point gets further vindicated with every post you make btw.
>>738320432incredibly generic designs that don't have particularly good looking silhouettes. Nothing about the armor makes the bodies any sexier. In fact the fourth armor manages to make the boobs look even flatter, like those shitty bikinis millennials used to wear.I earnestly believe no one is going to jerk it to these pictures
>>738321891GOD I hope the western vidya industry grows out of this enby tranny era so we can go back to tolkien-esque Nvidia fairy graphics card box horny marketing, it's the American/yuro equivalent of anime aesthetics.
>>738321079Deranged responses is the only useful way to handle skinwalkers pretending centrism. People have learned over the years that anything less guarantees a death of your position by inches.
>>738322005It's not meant to be jerked at, you buffoon.No one jerked at Lara Croft and Tifa's triangle tits yet they were enjoyable to look at nonetheless.
>>738322113the problem with pushing the pendulum is that it comes back even harder and there is no guarantee you win the next time
>>738322113>>738310847
>>738321919>worrying game design trendCommunication outside of the game isn't game design.According to your assumed stance, you should only be caring about the game itself, and the "unpolluted" discussion of it. And yet here you are in this thread, bitching about the developer communicating in a way you don't like.You are a hypocrite.
>>738322145>No one jerked at Lara Croft and Tifa's triangle tits yet they were enjoyable to look at nonetheless.????????????????????????????????????????????????tired of zoomer larp
>>738322005Silhouettes aren't everything, and I don't really think they're relevant in this case. But thanks for the response anon
>>738299289>hey guys I rage quit this game and now crash out any time it's mentionedOkay.
>>738322247>You MUST have compulsively masturbated at the PS1 polygonsNice buzzword, did you learn it at Bluesky?
>>738322198No I'm not. I don't want devs to start a trend of making sexy outfits while pandering to right wing culture warriors, thus forming a connection between the concept of sexy outfits and right wing orthodoxy. Because I believe in free expression and, just like what happened with the left, your art will need to conform to a specific set of extremist beliefs in order to survive. And since this extreme polarization is bad for the world, I disapprove of developers who feed into it. How is that so hard to understand, you retard?
>>738298168One thing nobody can tell me: were they or were they not doing this in the first game?
are you telling me wokecels are even losing terrain on the west?
>>738321516It's so completely different from entry to entry that the series has no cohesion whatsoever, it's like they are desperately trying to hit some core audience and they fail every single time they try.
>>738322183This isn't relevant to what he said at all. But I will say anyway:Guess they shouldn't have pushed it in the first place then.
>>738298168>no steam>gimped pvpDOA the entire fanbase is on pc
>>738322386First game revolved around a more gitty aesthetic because it was set very far away from the holy capital. This game has you actually going there instead.
you have to be legitimately indian to be into these kinda designs
>>738322523aren't we going to the moon worship land?
>>738322430>but mom, he started it!
>>738322518>the entire fanbase is on pcPS5 actually. Steamcucks don't buy new games. They just refund, reviewbomb and seethe when their stolen lap tops can't run it.
>>738322587The orius people are there in Full, so it very may be the same place
>>738320489Why is /v/eddit quoting family guy now?
>>738322187I do not care what you say because I identified your initial post as disingenuous. I tried to explain why you got the response you did and why that response is a strategic one. If you identify someone as subversive online arguing something that isn't real the only reasonable response is unchecked aggression to remove them.I do not believe you when you say this is not the case. >>738322183I don't care and I'm not going to argue with you about hypothetical blowback. The "pendulum" you refer to was pushed by forces beyond our control and if it's pushed again there won't be anything "we" can do about it. The extent of our power as customers in this industry is voting with our wallets and expressing our disgruntlement on the few venues we can online and that means nothing considering why the "pendulum" went so far in one direction to begin with.
>>738322427Isn't it just the 1 game? How can concept art indicate to you it will be "so completely different"?
meanwhile in actually good games
>>738322785I'm sorry that you live such a paranoid and useless life
>>738298168Honestly, not a big fan of these. They are just too generic. Still better than what we usually get these days though.
>>738322347>I don't want devs to start a trend of making sexy outfits while pandering to right wing culture warriors, thus forming a connection between the concept of sexy outfits and right wing orthodoxy. Because I believe in free expressionSounds like a culture warrior position to me. If believing in free expression not wanting devs to fill their games with progressive pandering makes me a culture warrior, what is it that renders you immune to the label?>And since this extreme polarization is bad for the world, I disapprove of developers who feed into it.I remind you again that:>he specifically said something like "we don't want to pander to the modern audience :)" which is a meaningless term only used in culture war fights. a simple, "no" would have caused much less controversy.Has nothing to do with gameplay or design. It pertains solely to a developer's communication about cultural and political issues. This is what you are voicing disapproval of.Making you a culture warrior, and a hypocrite.
>>738322885I'm sorry you think people can't read between the lines and identify patterns.
>>738322620Yes, even children understand that aggressors are the bad guys.Why can't you?
Is Marvel Rivals safe horny because I like what they are doing over there more than whatever this is
>>738298168Looks like the average korean mmo aesthetic , why would anyone be throwing a bitchfit over it?>ReditNevermind.
>>738322183It's interesting that you neatly sidestepped everything he said to sperg out about muh pendulum and paint defense as aggression
>>738322858There has been 2 already, the first was so forgetful it was instantly banished to PS+ land months after release.
>>738323029As long as they don't cover up Emma Frost's PAWG big mama bum, I'm game
>>738323029That's a sold cosmetic for a specific character. OP are just concepts for generic armors in an RPG. Way to bring up your irrelevant retarded shit, shill.
>>738322726the soulslike fanbase you fucking tar, you niggers only play cod and fortnite
>>738298231Be careful, AI might be inside your walls
>>738322885>the activist begins to break down and lash out
>>738323226Take it up with the devs, broke nigger.
>>738323223why does it matter if it was sold or not? It's still in the game
>>738323335You're so brown and retarded bro
>>738322934culture warriors are those insane justice warrior types who won't accept dissenting opinion. everything is in two camps "woke" and "antiwoke". there are people who refuse to play games because they contain a brown person. brown people are woke of course, and since they are of the antiwoke team, they can't consume it. this kind of thinking is obviously unhealthy for society. it already happened to the left, and now its happening to the right. don't believe me? look at the thread. you have people actively talking like their soldiers on the front line, and the strategies they have to use to defeat their political enemies. they get confused and angry when you refuse to play into their game.
>>738306210If being gay and lame is your only identity then maybe you should stop.
>>738322909I don't think it's better>Oh look we're reinventing the wheel and we want your applauseI make the allusion to Arrowhead implementing concepts in an autistic and unplaytested way in helldivers 2, the community bitching at them about how shit and unfun it all is. And them finding out through their game crashing and burning why games like mech fucking warrior didn't have these issues with mechs, or why scramble calls and retarded weak spots that make nonsense make people focus on the railgun because it's the only non shit weapon
>>738298168Slop design for slop game in a series of slop. I don't care. Shit ain't even particularly hot.
>>738323452>make subversive post>wtf they didn't get into my fake debate
>>738309242>>738309272Like anons have pointed out, it's generic but I don't think it's AI slop at all as it's too consistent to be AI-generated. Even with a lot of probing AI struggles with consistency
>>738323383thats right bitch, tuck your tail
>>738322859Hotter and more immersive designs than OP's slop. How did they do it?
>>738323452Ah, so it's fine for me to make posts about not liking woke games so long as I accept dissenting opinion and tolerate a brown character?
>>738323620?Kill yourself, capeshit shilling mutt.
>>738307052look at this AI sloppa
>>738323452>man those woke people sure are bad. Look at what the left is doing to gaming!>BUT DON'T YOU DARE RESIST THEM YOU DISGUSTING CULTURE WARRIORSlmao
>>738323592>>738323565It's nega-crimson desert>Take Korean gooner armor designers>Make them design realistic shit>They fail utterly and consistently at itSkip to whatever this is>Apparently poles don't believe in sex or sex appeal so the best they can come up is armor that focuses on exposure, but with no ability to get anyone excited in a way like marvel rivals blatantly does
>>738323808>let's do exactly what the left is doing to gaming but from our political positions!>why are people treating us exactly like the left?
>>738307298the worst part is feminists just dismiss that as "male power fantasy". in their mind hot female bodies pleases men and hot male bodies also pleases men and women get nothing no matter what unless everybody is ugly.
>>738323661Because it's isometric. Now try having these dangling pasties-covered belly dancer tatas in a 3rd or 1st person camera view without boycotts and media crying over fascism
>>738323869>>let's do exactly what the left is doingWe are not demanding that everything has to be woke, brown, gay, lame, etc etc. What the fuck are you talking about. Literally what do you have to lose if vidya were less woke? If you hate the anti-wokes so much why not be on the side that wants to give them less ammunition?
>>738323880It's just the destruction of beauty, always has been
>>738323869>noooo just use ineffective tactics, don't ever use the weapons they wield against you!
>>738323869>If you dare to fight back, you're just as bad as them and lose the moral high groundNice tactics, Chamberlain
>>738323880Post-modern feminists are obsessed with everything being relatable and all media inherently being direct representations of actual reality. Feminists are quite literally the opposite end of the same 'portrayal in fiction = endorsement in real life' horseshoe with the moralist church moms at the other end.
>>738323565>Shit ain't even particularly hot.This is the fundamental problem. They're trying to appeal to gamers with "sexy designs" instead of designs that are actually sexy. At least korean gooner games actually understand what looks hot.
>>738323979you are creating your own orthodoxy that will limit all expression. it happened to the left. why wouldn't it happen with you?>>738324028>>738324068yes, you're just as annoying. you ruin videogame discussion.
>>738323843I can believe it
>>738324148>By saying no, you're limiting someone else's freedomYes, the freedom of the enemy to shut you up must be protected at all costs
>>738323869You came into the thread. You made the post. You summoned these people. Now you are complaining that they reply to you.
>>738322386The first game was developed during the leftist infection so it's ugly and has zero sexiness. They tried to make the faces less ugly with some patches but that's about it, as they would have neededed to rebuild all the armors to fix the ugliness properly.
>>738324148>you are creating your own orthodoxy that will limit all expression.We are limiting expression by wanting more things to be allowed? Aren't expressions already limited because everything HAS to be woke now? By basically wanting more expressions to be allowed you are per definition already anti-woke.
>>738324148>Drop your guns and let them win or else I'm gonna... Uh... Call you weird and annoying okay?Oh noes, your approval means so much to this war, please don't go
>>738298168I thought this was Vindictus
>>738298168this makes my penis happy
>>738308710Oh no! Anyway...
>>738324148>yes, you're just as annoying. you ruin videogame discussion.You have as yet failed to address how you whining about a developer's cultural commentary is not just as bad or worse.If you really cared about this, you would recognize your own contribution to the problem and shut up.
>>738298168>LORDS of Fallenwtf these are all dudes?
>>738324304I remember Jason Schrier, when he was criticizing the Dragon's Crown designs for being sexualized, said he didn't want the art to be censored. What ended up happening?I really don't believe you are going to keep your word regarding free expression, especially when all the culture warriors in this board chimp out whenever there's a gay character in a game. I mean, you're using the left's tactics. Why would you stop now?>>738324501its not whining. and I think its pretty obvious how pointing out a developer's shitty response to a question is "less bad" than becoming a fucking inquisitor who is constantly paranoid and thinking they're fighting on the frontlines of a grand cultural battle
>>738324509Hopefully so, these trannies are hot AND powerful. Absolutely based how low-budget right wing reactionary art nails progressive aura more than woke ever could after a decade trying and pumping millions.
>>738324148>you are creating your own orthodoxy that will limit all expressionWokeshit will inevitably become toxic for a while. But once the propaganda is firmly in the past, creativity will be able to thrive again.Because for us, the problem isn't any form of expression, it's the activist intent behind it.When the intrusive activism goes away, the problem goes away. That isn't true of the left.
>>738324509That's what happens when you forget to pay your FUTA tax. All of your waifus sprout dicks.
>>738324617>its not whining. and I think its pretty obvious how pointing out a developer's shitty response to a question is "less bad"It's about culture shit. It has nothing to do with the game itself. You are doing what culture warriors do. Be the change you want to see and shut. up.
>>738324701there was no "activist intent" behind the homosexual kiss in Final Fantasy XVI, and yet anons kept complaining about it just like they would with any other thing they deem morally problematic.
>>738324824>Be the change you want to see by letting them shut you upNice try
Liking Lords of the Fallen is a fucking curse>first game is abysmal dog shit>second game is actually good and the only non-FromSoft Souls-like to ever emulate Demon's Souls level design, but the producer decides it a good idea to give the game the exact same name as its abysmal dog shit predecessor>third game is probably going to be good, but the producer is, again, going full retard, but this time by jumping on the anti-SJW bandwagon in the most blatantly pandering way possibleFor god's sake, I just want to play video games
>>738324840>some anons complained>most didn't give a shit>FFXVI is not considered wokeFalse positives happen sometimes. They correct themselves because they don't gain traction. If you're going to dredge up every time you ever saw an anon complain about something and try to use it to draw broader, inapplicable conclusions, there's no point discussing it.
>>738324840>Yet anons kept complainingI love how the only way for the anti-wpke crowd to have a point is to get the entire internet in a worldwide consensus walking lockstep in a single discourse, otherwise the woke get to keep shoving their trannies and don't you dare criticize them
>>738307228Jebać Cię i cała twoją lewacką rodzinę pecie jebany.
>>738325051He is the one saying we shouldn't discuss culture war stuff. He needs to adhere to his own principles.
>>738325169Curious indeed
Man, the troon brigade sure had a melty in this thread.
>>738325169Reminds me of Anita's bullshit being immune to any response whatsoever that isn't outright praise, because of those pesky death threats from gamergaters. If only the entire internet agreed not to call her names, oh noes lil Jimmy call her a slut, shut EVERYTHING down and give her more money.
>>738324840>there was no "activist intent" behind the homosexual kissWhich is why nobody complains about it anymore. The only problem anyone had with it was the suspicion of activist intent
>>738324824keep in mind that only came up as a comparison between that situation and the one this thread is about. though you can argue that this thread is entirely off-topic, as its about marketing for a game that isn't even out yet. instead of just having these outfits be a part of the game naturally, it has become a cultural firerod.>>738325110>>738325379nobody can agree on what's "woke" or not. there are arguments constantly about if KCD2 is "woke" or not. again that woke games list actually existed and no, it wasn't a falseflag.the broader problem is trying to categorize games into such stifling terms, for the sake of the culture war. my side vs them, you're either with us or against us, "activist intent"
>>738324617>I remember Jason Schrier, when he was criticizing the Dragon's Crown designs for being sexualized, said he didn't want the art to be censored. What ended up happening?Yeah, Jason is a jew hypocrite, what's your point?
>>738325715>I mean, you're using the left's tactics. Why would you stop now?
>>738325474>nobody can agree on what's "woke" or not.There is a general consensus. Does there need to be universal agreement like >>738325169 said?>that woke games list actually existed and no, it wasn't a falseflag.The list did not call games "woke". It advised as to progressive content. Leftists made a false flag version that used the same database but added "woke" labels to everything, so they could make it seem silly.>the broader problem is trying to categorize games into such stifling termsThe broader problem is games being an activist battleground. It's an insidious practice that doesn't lend itself easily to clean categorization, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be opposed.
>>738325731I want games like Dragon's Crown to be allowed. How is this going to stop other games? If woke shit can't compete in the marketplace of ideas without needing censorship, then that's the wokies problem.
>>738325775>The broader problem is games being an activist battlegroundthis is exactly what I'm complaining about and is exactly what's happening by marketing your game in such a way to culture warriors>there is a general consensusis there? any time someone tries to cry about BG3 being woke, someone cries that actually it isn't woke. Regardless of if it is or isn't (because its a nebulous meaningless distinction), it sold and reviewed well, really throwing into doubt the whole purpose of this. And this can apply to a ton of games.>The list did not call games "woke". It advised as to progressive content. Leftists made a false flag version that used the same database but added "woke" labels to everything, so they could make it seem silly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5Dr35hfBE
>>738322347>Because I believe in free expression and, just like what happened with the left, your art will need to conform to a specific set of extremist beliefs in order to survive.But I thought the problem was that we were polluting threads with culture war discussion?Now the problem is that we are risking free expression? And you are, curiously, happy to talk about it despite it "polluting" discussion?Were you being dishonest about your real position from the beginning?
>>738326017>what's happening by marketing your game in such a way to culture warriorsThis wasn't a problem 15 years ago? But it is as problem now?
>>738326079>Were you being dishonest about your real position from the beginning?no, you just need to read posts better>>738326086it was a problem 15 years ago. its a problem now as well.
>>738306949>mcspaghettido chinks really
>>738326157Filipinos, they use ketchup instead of tomato sauce
If alternatives to woke shit being allowed will end woke shit. Then maybe woke shit is just trash on it's own.
>>738326017>this is exactly what I'm complaining about and is exactly what's happening by marketing your game in such a way to culture warriorsThis is rejecting activism, not embracing it. It still becomes a battle ground, but unavoidably so because the activists have forced a battle where the two positions are "be an activist" and "don't be activist". This is why they (and you) have gotten upset over the developer taking that position.>is there? any time someone tries to cry about BG3 being woke, someone cries that actually it isn't woke.One example of a game being hard and controversial to categorize does not change that there is a general consensus, sorry.>videoShowing that that categories are "informational" and "not recommended", which is more nuanced than simply calling them woke.
>>738326109>no, you just need to read posts betterNo anon, these positions are mutually exclusive in this context.Is the problem polluting discussion with culture war stuff? Or is it discouraging free expression in games?
>>738322859>ugly faces>bad figures>small titssafe horny trash
>>738326496I have already explained why I'm upset that the developer is taking that position. >>738322347>One example of a game ok, how about KCD2? or Metaphor Refantazio? or hey, let's go back to FFXVI, which you said was "not woke" even though that game contains arguably pro-luciferian themes>>738326594the problems is culture warriors, with their dogmatic attitudes and generally insane demeanor, polluting game discussion by creating a polarizing "us vs them" environment, where even the slightest concern or pushback is treated as heresy (as evidenced by the reaction to my initial post), inevitably leading to the loss of free expression in art. which can be seen in the development of liberal creative spaces since the 90s, and will soon be seen in right wing creative spaces as well
>>738298168Sure but that's a bit much too much like a Korean MMO.An"old fantasy art from the 90s" Dark Souls could definitely work in Royo's style for example.
>>738298168Cool. Too bad it's LotF and that it is DoA.
>>738323565You probobly never even beat the first one, quick projecting your negative commie vibes
>>738326816>you see, if you want to allow alternatives to wokeshit in vidya you are limiting expressions in vidya! Why? Because wokeshit can't survive against competition?
>>738326816>I have already explained why I'm upset that the developer is taking that position.And it is still rejecting activism.>ok, how about KCD2? or Metaphor Refantazio?Still doesn't change that there is a general consensus on what woke is. People get into the weeds arguing about categorizing individual games, due to difference of opinion about degrees, and whether tits or being able to murder gays exempts a game from wokeness. Woke content itself is widely agreed upon. Not that it needs to be.>arguably pro-luciferian themesYou're reaching.
>>738325379>>738324840le homosexual dragon was clearly based around Renly in GoT I think
>>738327252who are you quoting?>>738327290how is embracing another form of activism rejecting activism?the rub is this: you fully admit to using the tactics of the left to win the "culture war". the left censor and forbid things they dislike as a form of power and cultural dominance. for example, microsoft has a ban on putting sexualized women in games they publish. if/when you get as much power as the left does today, what's stopping you from acting equally as censoriously? all I've got so far is "we promise we won't! :(" which doesn't mean much when as I've already said the left said the same thing back then
>>738298168>>738308952>post something to make the faggots mad>post something to make the women happy>now it's faggots vs women and the faggots will always loseGood luck trying to tell women that their dressup armor game where they get to stab goblins and save the kingdom is "anti-feminist" now.
>>738326816>the problems is culture warriors, with their dogmatic attitudes and generally insane demeanor, polluting game discussion by creating a polarizing "us vs them" environment, where even the slightest concern or pushback is treated as heresy (as evidenced by the reaction to my initial post), inevitably leading to the loss of free expression in art. which can be seen in the development of liberal creative spaces since the 90s, and will soon be seen in right wing creative spaces as wellI don't agree, but you've explained your position well enough and I withdraw my assessment that the two parts of it are mutually exclusive.
>>738327558>how is embracing another form of activism rejecting activism?How is saying "We care about fun games, not politics" embracing activism? It's an explicit rejection.>if/when you get as much power as the left does today, what's stopping you from acting equally as censoriously?The fact that my whole motivation is anti-censorship and pro free-expression. I do worry sometimes as well that anti-woke attitudes will become so dogmatic and reactionary as to stifle free expression, but I also think that's just an inevitability as the pendulum resettles. The left is the one pushing all this shit in the first place. Opposition to them is reactionary. When they stop, this all eventually settles down.Right now the left is the biggest enemy to free expression. You don't preserve free expression by refusing to fight them. Their weapons are wielded against them by absolute necessity.
>>738327558You are literally saying that allowing alternatives to wokeshit will inevitably lead to >inevitably leading to the loss of free expression in artAnd why is that? Because wokeshit can't survive against competition? >the rub is this: you fully admit to using the tactics of the left to win the "culture war". the left censor and forbid things they dislike as a form of power and cultural dominance. for example, microsoft has a ban on putting sexualized women in games they publish. if/when you get as much power as the left does today, what's stopping you from acting equally as censoriously? all I've got so far is "we promise we won't! :(" which doesn't mean much when as I've already said the left said the same thing back thenAll this shit from simply just wanting an alternative to wokeshit.
>>738328001I've seen this played out before. The west coast liberals also just wanted an 'alternative' to the 'dudebro' stuff. Perhaps I would have believed you about the free market stuff if this was 6 years ago. But you've fully admitted to using the left's tactics. So why should you be treated differently?>>738327956you will disagree, but asking "will there be gay romance in this game?" and replying "we care about fun games, not politics" is inherently trying to start a culture war battleground. same thing with referring to the "modern audience" a common buzzword. maybe he didn't mean it, but talking with these buzzwords only served to paint his game as a culture war firepit.The left definitely has more power than you...right now. But I'm still gonna call a spade a spade and point out dogmatic tribalist attitudes when I see them.
>>738328292>The west coast liberals also just wanted an 'alternative' to the 'dudebro' stuff.No. It was always meant to be a hostile take over. This is just revisionism. Again. Would allowing games like Dragon's Crown to exist limit expression? How?
>>738328469No, I want more games like Dragon's Crown. I also want more games like Bastard Bonds and Saya no Uta. Don't know why you think I don't. Allowing those games won't limit expression. Tying your games and associating culture concepts with extremist polarizing ideologies could lead to limiting expression in the future, though.
>>738328292>you will disagree, but asking "will there be gay romance in this game?" and replying "we care about fun games, not politics" is inherently trying to start a culture war battleground.I do disagree. It's recognizing that it's a highly politicized theme and a highly politicized question, and rejecting. That such a rejection creates a battleground is the fault of the aggressors, not the person standing for fun over politics.>But I'm still gonna call a spade a spade and point out dogmatic tribalist attitudesAgain, arrived at by necessity. I understand your concern, but voicing it from the sidelines as you refuse to fight the aggressors comes across as hand-wringing and calls into question how much you truly care about free expression. Not enough to descend from your lofty perch of judgement, apparently.>The west coast liberals also just wanted an 'alternative' to the 'dudebro' stuff. NTA but no. It was aggressively ideological from the beginning. Such is the nature of intersectional dogma.
>>738327598well thanks. I realize now the concept I was thinking about is succinctly called a "purity spiral"
>>738328609>couldUnless there is a hostile takeover by right wingers or "anti-wokies" or whatever in all media and all institutions, this is not going to be a thing. And woke shit didn't start as "an alternative" it started as an abject attack on everything SJWs and wokies didn't like and thought were "problematic". It was always a movement to limit expression and remving things they didn't like, never about offering alternatives. It's fundamentally different.
>>738328860>>738328903I don't trust you. I just don't. Even if you do believe in those ideals, the groupthink in your "army" will prevail. You can call those who think FF7 is woke trash because one of the characters is black "crazy extremists who don't represent you" but they'll end up leading your organization in the end. You're not a scrappy resistance anymore. You chose to take up the left's tactics and you'll end up just like them.
>>738329064>I don't trust you. I just don't.Why? Because wanting there to be alternatives to endless woke shit is a bad thing? >You chose to take up the left's tactics and you'll end up just like them.Unless there is a hostile takeover of ALL media, and ALL institutions by "anti-wokies", to FORCE change and censorship. It really isn't using the left's tactics.
>>738329064You chose to take up no tactics, and let them destroy the things you claim to care about, unopposed. My way may lead to more challenges in future, but at least there will still be a semblance of free expression to be threatened.My conscience is clearer than yours.
>>738310419That's how women looked in the 80s.>>738310131Yes.
>>738328860if someone asked "will there be black people in your game?" and you respond "we care about fun games, not politics". would this be the asker's fault if this turns into a culture war firepit? would the existence of a subsequent argument prove that black people are still "highly politicized" even though the CRA was signed 60 years ago?>>738329240>Why?Because of the way you act? I don't think MillenialWoes or Sam Hyde or whoever would be too nice to gay or trans games, for example if he had the power the left does now>>738329331No I didn't. Your way just makes you an annoying asshat who destroys yourself. Activism corrupts.
>>738307532Yes, that's literally democracy you retard.>but what I wanted was MY group of virginal men and ""women"" to winUnfortunately, you were smaller and weaker.
