>Mfw I preordered starfield and I actually expected it to be good
>>738310535>Saarfield>expected it to be goodYou only got yourself to blame anon. This game was destined to be ruined by microjeets
>>738310535i wonder if todd has any goodwill left after starfield. then again people went for starfield after the absolute humiliation ritual that was f76 so the cattle probably doesnt care
>>738310734Im giving him one last chance with tes vi, starfield didnt count because it wasnt a singular open world map, but thousands of proc genned maps
I've never paid for any bethslop game and I still feel ripped off. I got tes3/4 with GPU bundles and they are fucking garbage
>>738310535Oddly lust provoking image
>>738310535Foolishness anon, foolishness
>>738310535I made that mistake, I still maintain that most of the pre release concern was baseless though, there were no real red flags until it was in gamers hands
>>738311240>it was bad>but the pre-release red flags weren't reallol
>>738311292The people dooming were the same people who didn't like Oblivion and Skyrim to begin with
>>738311334But were they wrong
>>738310535Why?
>>738311240>there were no real red flags>a game by Bethesda>riding hot on the heels of buggy, shallow piles of absolute dogshit like Skyrim and Fallout 4>released in 2023, at the height of idpol pandering>endlessly hyped up by noted liar Todd Howard>promises made that were so ludicrous, they could only ever be liesThe game was mired in red flags without even showing a single frame of ingame footage.
>>738311334>okay, they were right twice before but this time they had to be wrong! (they weren't)Anon...
>>738310734Remastering 'Oblivion' was a good enough apology - let's see what else they cooking.
>>738310535At what point did you realize it was not what you were expecting?
>>738311424>Remastering 'Oblivion' was a good enough apologyWhere do you faggots come from?
>>738311424what reason is there to play the remaster over the original
>>738311413Your forgot FO4, so really they were right thrice before.
>>738311440When I was doing the quests and all the characters were boring to talk to
>>738311475looks better, plays better, feels better
>>738311334>>738311512>>738311413>Oblivion, Skyrim & Fallout 4 are badMe thinks it's time you three find a new hobby, you're either terrible at gaming or it's just not for you :(
>>738311424does it still suffer from the og's weird item and monster scaling?
>>738310535mfw I did this and then bought Oblivion Remastered on launch
>>738311512FO4 was when I completely disowned Bethesda. It was so disappointing. The writing was shit. The gameplay loop was just that of another looter shooter. Half the quests were either shitty procedurally generated slop (preamble to Starfield I guess) or settlement management garbage. The game world felt artificial with the constant respawns of scaled enemies and loot were it never felt like you were making a difference or that anything was thought out. I wasn't surprised that they shat out 76 and Starfield afterwards and ignored them, and have no faith in anything they'll release in the future.
>>738311759no idea what you're talking about, but there's probably a mod for whatever you have in mind
>>738311723They are bad. Oblivion is by far the best of them, and even that is really only by comparison to its successor. But Skyrim and anything made after it is just inexcusably terrible. Skyrim is transparently made for lowest common denominator retards, which its success with that demographic proves. The same is true for Fallout 4. If you genuinely enjoy either of these games, then you're 100% an NPC, sub-90 IQ, incapable of engaging the critical thinking or meta-observation part of your brain, have never played another game in your life, or all of the above.
>>738311240Bro I'm someone who genuinely enjoys Fallout 4 and I knew Starfield would be bad.
>>738311412>there were no real red flags>a game by BethesdaHonestly could have ended the post there.
>>738311840>this is your brain on contrarianism & faggotrySome days I honestly feel bad for the joyless cunts dwelling here, who genuinely can't find happiness in gaming>FO4 writing is badGo read a book, most folk enjoy showering super mutants with rockets from a jetpack
>>738311881>"Everything's a matter of taste" said the dog and licked its own asshole.They're brilliant games, and I've been PC gaming since '96. Your opinion is wrong & gay.t. 120+ IQ electrical engineer
>>738311991nta but how the fuck can you defend fo4 writing when the very first thing that happens when the game starts proper is the mc thinking his baby must still be a baby. how the fuck can you think that when you know you were frozen. thats not even getting into how utterly retarded the institute is, and how it makes no sense the man (kellogg?) is as old as he is, literally having not changed in 60+ yearsit's all le subverted your expectations for literal toddlers
>>738311991Good writing is imperative in an rpg. Not that Fallout 4 is one, but still.
>>738311991FO4 has nothing to enjoy in terms of gameplay. Is as basic as a shooter with shallow RPG mechanics can get.>Go read a bookDid you know that "good writing" can be determined relatively to its work? It's true! Just because something is silly doesn't mean it can't also be well-written. FO4 is poorly written, because - even leaving aside how seriously the game's narrative takes itself - just within its silly framework it can't be arsed to put in the moderate amount of effort to stand up to the most cursory scrutiny. It's a shit game, anon. Just admit you're retarded and stop trying to engage in any sort of discussion, you evidently lack the requisite mental equipment.
>>738311334Yeah, almost like not being a bethesda drone allows one to actually notice and acknowledge red flags.
>>738312081I don't defend it - I don't care. Playing games is a proactive hobby & a script that one must follow is anything but creative freedom.pic related, play it again, you must be forgetting shit
>>738311991Yeah, it really must suck to lose your way to Reddit and be on a website where people openly say that Bethesda games are gay.
>>738312079>midwit likes trash gamesSad to see it.
>>738312079But it's not a matter of taste. The flaws of these games are very obvious and quantifiable.>t. 120+ IQ electrical engineerEven assuming that's true, you still have the option of being an NPC with no points of comparison as to what an actually good game looks like, but those wouldn't help either, because you're incapable of engaging your brain when consuming slop. Which does seem pretty likely, all things considered.
>>738312168>i don't care if the story is shit in an rpgholy touristalso pic related was obviously added to the game to "fix" the plothole of kellogg being as old as he is, how is he the only human to have his life expectancy extended so much and him not changing in appearance at all?fuck off retard
>>738311991>Go read a bookApply your own logic. If you're going to just treat it like a dumb action game, then why not instead play something where the primary goal was just being a dumb action game?
>>738311424>UE5 Soulless garbageNo, into the trash it goes.
>>738310535>YOU'RE SKYRIM>YOU'RE SKYRIM>YOU'RE SKYRIM>I'M SKYRIM>ARE THERE ANYMORE SKYRIMS I NEED TO KNOW?>Elder Scrolls VI
>>738312168>we have anti-age tech but only a merc living outside the Institute is allowed to benefit from itHow does this prove that F4 writing isn't shit?
>>738312126You just grasping at straws, desperately searching for reasons to hate on Bethesda - from the gazillion genuine reasons to criticize to company, do you expect anyone to take you seriously for hating on one of the best games ever created? FOR ITS WRITING?! >The script is what matters in a shooter, yessir!How do you fuckers get even more retarded every year, I swear to God they must be putting something in the water
>you expect anyone to take you seriously for hating on one of the best games ever created?Holy fucking shit. Imagine having such dogshit taste.> FOR ITS WRITING?!Yes, bethesda writing is notorious for being liquid shit. It's hilarious that people claim these retards make "rpg's" with such retard level writing and zero imagination.
>>738311512They couldnt program iron sights for FO3... >>738311723Bethesda is the worst in human history at programming fun combat. The games are entirely carried by their design team and their ability to make interesting places to explore and that got stale after oblivion. The combat is about as deep as clicking the cookie in cookie clicker. You just left click until the rag doll kicks in.
>>738312348Why would you ever play a fallout game if all you want is a shooter. It's mediocre at best when it comes to that. You should expect a good thought out story, in depth RPG mechanics and meaningful choices for a Fallout game, or really any RPG worth its salt.
>>738311512I hadn't actually played any of the bethesda fallouts, but I was broadly aware of their flaws and if even I knew not having played them I thought surely Bethesda would learn from the mistakes of fallout 4but still once before, Oblivion and Skyrim are good
>>738312457My whole point is that there are better ways to criticize Bethesda, than hating on shit nobody cares about except a bunch of sad faggots. Nobody gives a shit about the script of any game - a "wow" moment here & there is enough, anything above that is pretentious nonsense.
>>738311412>released in 2023, at the height of idpol panderingIt really wasn't that woke in the grand scheme of thingsit would have had to have an actual world for the world to have been woke
>>738312348Anon, you're the only one laser-focusing on its writing. Yes, writing is important when you make a fucking RPG, like Bethesda continuously claims to make, for god knows what reason.But the gameplay is also shit. Skyrim literally has only two types of content: Draugr Tombs and Dwemer Ruins. That's it. Every single questline in the game inevitably approaches the Draugr-Dwemer singularity. College of Winterhold? What, you want to learn magic? Fuck that! Here's a bunch of tombs and ruins for you to scour! Thieves' Guild? Wanna do some heists, plunder someone's mansion and/or palace, working up to the legendary caper to end all capers? Hahaha, fuck you, here's a whole fucking storyline about why you really need to go into these dwemer ruins. And you better believe the main plot takes you to one tomb after another. Companions? Time to become a wolf after two missions, and then you better believe it's off to some draugr tombs!Skyrim combat is a meme, and for good reason. Zero impact, zero feedback, brainless clicking on enemies would be fine if it were at least satisfying. No wonder everyone plays stealth archers to essentially skip the fucking combat altogether.
>wants to play a shooter>chooses an rpg with shit rpg mechanics and below par shootingMake it make sense
>>738312640Anon, he likes Bethesda games. You really shouldn't expect good sense or decision making.
>>738311846>idk what level scaling isIf you leveled up too much certain types of armor stop spawning, enemies always match your level, and have gear thats far above what youd consider normal. >bandit>robs you of 40 gold>while wearing 3200 gold dead deadric armorIronically one of the best tactics to breeze through to game is to never level any primary stats and stay level 1. Your damage will scale up while the enemies stay low level.
>>738311846>no idea what you're talking aboutSo you know nothing about Oblivion then, why are you shilling it?
I thought it was gonna be a 7/10
>>738311240Bruh I haven’t preordered a game in decades. Rdr2 was my last straw. Never buy a game on release ever. That’s just a thing of the past.
>>738310535I hate the art direction Bethesda is going with character designs now. I don't even mean the purposfully ugly niggers and Indians in Starfield, but just the uncanny look they all have.I don't know how better to describe it than its almost like how an alien might think humans look, but never gets quite there. Both Starfield and the Oblivion Remaster are prime examples of this. They should've kept the design of Fallout 4 where I believe it peaked.
>>738312602Yes yes, we know that braindead normalfag redditors like you love bethesda slop. But people play RPG's for the writing and bethesda is openly proud over its shit writing.I also love how you pretend FO4 is a shooter when Bethesda gunplay is also famously dogshit.
Sorry OP, but niggerspeak gets hidden.
>>738312996It's a shooter, it's an RPG - who cares? I play RPGs for creative freedom & FO4 is perfect for that, considering the bazillion mods. I'm honestly wondering - why are y'all mad at it? It's a brilliant game, that half the thread hates on, and you know it's wrong.>writing badNobody gives a shit, except faggots - a game is to be played, not read or watched.
>>738313152>muh modsThanks for admitting that it's a shit game.>why are you mad at a kike company and its braindead fanbase that actively contributes to the death of gamingI dunno.
>>738310535i'm so tired of shitty twitter nigger babble memes kill yourself op
>>738311759They give you a flat number of attribute points on level up, so you can't get quite as powerful as in the original but it's more forgiving for people who don't design their characters properly>>738312724>certain types of armor stop spawningWeaker kinds. The kind that's obsolete.>bandit>robs you of 40 gold>while wearing 3200 gold dead deadric armorGetting to that high a level in normal play is unusual, unless you did something retarded like take Athletics as a major skill>Ironically one of the best tactics to breeze through to game is to never level any primary stats and stay level 1. Your damage will scale up while the enemies stay low level.Some people do it that way, but your damage won't scale up all that much because you're limiting yourself to basically Steel weapons at best.
>>738310734fo76 had the excuse people could make that it wasn't developed by the main Bethesda team same as ESO, but after starfield there are no more excuses.
>>738313531Theres other problems too. If you take umbra too early you basically fuck yourself out of the best weapon in the game as its stats generate when you take it. Also if you play the game long enough leveling up normally you'll absolutely see glass armor bandits and deadric armor enemies. It happens at level 15+ its not great.
>>738314145>fo76 had the excuse people could make that it wasn't developed by the main Bethesda teamThis was also a lie, by the way.
what happened to todd
>>738312939>these graphics were supposed to be 2 generations ahead upon release
>>738311475no shitty bloom
>they was gonna play in her faceI genuinely don't know what the fuck this means
>>738310964>one last chanceThe guy is 55, modern games have a 10 year dev cycle and TESVI doesn't even have a release date, TESVI is his last chance regardless he's said as much himself
>>738313223>modsbad turns to good, good turns to great, great turns to perfection - vanilla FO4 battled The Witcher 3 for GOTY, moron
>>738315258he got old, lost the passion. it will happen to you too if it hasnt already. every day is just looking for another way to kill time rather than yourself.
>>738310535Did the updates and modders ever make this game decent? Thought about getting it if greedy Bethesda ever lets it get at least 50% off, but seeing how the most basic and bare bones mods for Starfield charge you at least a $1 for the most retarded and trivial shit, while Fallout and Skyrim got massive mods for free helps to resist that foolish idea even if Bethesda does drop the price.
If you expect TES6 to be anything other than Starfield with grass, u r dumb
