Why exactly is destroying the Force wrong?
>>738317116>Why exactly is destroying the Force wrong?it isn't. she was right.the galaxy genuinely would be a more peaceful, nicer place to live without all the force adepts constantly fucking it up
>>738317116The more pressing question is why is destroying it particularly good?
>>738317116IDK man tapping into the universal essence of things seems pretty epic and is a great way to elivate the self and self actualize, which seems like the highest goal someone should try to achieve.Destroying it sems kind of lame and dysgenic.
>>738317116>i like playing lightsaber guy>no force>i can no longer be lightsaber guysimple as, get bent Kreia
>>738317116Because only creatures who wouldn't die with it are fucking retarded or slugs
Creating a wound big enough to deafen the entire galaxy would kill a shit load of people in the backlash. I don't even have any faith that it wouldn't be able to be fixed, the force works in mysterious ways after all.
>>738318509It would certainly be more peaceful, because everything would be dead. The Force permeates everything in the Star Wars setting. Even if it cannot be accessed by some, without it, everything dies. It would be like trying to remove mitochondria from your DNA.
>>738319216In the old EU, that would just give the Anti-Force a means to exert itself. Yes that was a thing. The Darkside was simply a corruption, not an opposite, the Anti-Force was an anterior means of space magic bullshit arguably older and more powerful but more costly to fuck with, so few ever did.
>>738319553>Anti-ForceI know about that but it was from crystal star and never brought up again.
Kreia was always just a contrarian old hag being used as a mouthpiece by a contrarian faggot writer who didn't like Star Wars and wanted to piss all over it. That's all the game is, Obsidian doing it's best to piss all over Star Wars. This was 'avant garde' and 'original' back in the day but Disney has been doing it for a decade now, so maybe we can stop pretending subversion for it's own sake is somehow artistic or thoughtful.We won't though, because jaded Gen X and Millennial Writers can't help themselves, they only live through destruction like the coprophage's they are
>>738319616Was that the all powerful slime alien thing? Because it showed up after that too.
>>738317116Was she even attempting to destroy it? I know she constantly berates the "may the force be with you" shtick but in the end she doesn't seem to do anything about it.
>>738319553>dude anti-force lma0>from a one-off book (read: officially published fanfiction) in '94EUfags will defend this
>>738319768Cope
>>738319748No that was the Mnggal-Mnggal, which wasn't actually in anything but a collection of cut content from the essential guide to warfare.
>>738319768Anon, everything EU was fanfiction. Lucas only ever considered the three films canon back in the day and everything else was just wankery he allowed to exist.
Kreia was right to despise the Force and its constant fuckery enabling space wizards to destroy everything, but her methodology was retarded and would have done just as much if not more damage. The setting puts a pragmatist like her between a rock and a hard place since the setting is almost entirely ideologically driven.
>>738317116It’s the embodiment of life, it’s like asking what’s wrong with destroying the sun. Sure, it can cause droughts and skin diseases, but at the end of the day it’s what keeps life going. The light side of the force is the correct side like how democracy is the best form of government, it’s just how it’s implemented that changes people’s view on it.
Kreia is a sith, you shouldn't ever trust a word out of her mouth about anything.
>>738317116If loving someone is truly a path to the dark side for force sensitives as the jedi claim and as lucas reaffirmed in his insistence that luke stay a bachelor, then yes the force is bad. Loving others and being loved is a crucial part of life and being cut off from that out of fear of becoming an evil super weapon is bad and wrong and needs to end.
>>738319917She never saw the the forest for the trees. She blames the Force or a lot of suffering people would still experience even without it. If her argument was the Force being unnecessary because atrocity and evil would still exist without it, she could have had a point.
>>738317116Its not, the writers of star wars are just retarded>its about balance>being good is good, evil is evil, but if you're neutral that is by far the worst>ignore the fact that both extremes only tip balance in their favor>both extremes are also outside forces that are counter intuitive to the natural balance of thingsIf Kotor was an honest series Darth Revan would have deleted every jedi in existence. For being manipulated by both sides
>>738318638>When the Greater Will was severed in Elden Ring things seem to go just peachy
>>738319986>This zealot named Darth Betreia, from a dogmatic cult built around lies, hatred and betrayal, sure is making a lot of sense guysWhy is /v/ like this?
>>738320115That's not necessarily true, the Force itself is directly responsible for a fair portion of stuff it's not just "human nature". The Force compels Jedi and Sith to act on its own will.
>>738320364>Darth BetreiaUh, its Darth Traya. Totally different
>>738320080It’s kinda weird, it wasn’t love that Jedi couldn’t feel, it was strong attachments to others. Remember that force sensitives can fall to the dark side just by having some mental instability, if their wife or child dies that shit is fucking up their ability to think properly. It’s why anakin failed in the way that he did.
Is there a more useless character than this guy?
>>738320551>Is there a more useless character than this guy?Carth. The answer is always Carth.
>>738320551I like canderous, but I would argue he is far more useless than disciple in kotor 2.
>>738320510Anakin failed the way he did because they ignored every problem he had while treating him like an ascended prodigy because number is... le high. He also was redeemed because number is... le high because finding out his kids were alive was enough to get him to start thinking>man this Palpatine guy is kind of a nefarious cock sucker, perchance I am le retard
>>738320663What? Mandalore is a fucking melee beast who can one shot enemies
>>738320510Anakin loved Padme but it was obsessive and not healthy. That's why he fell.
>>738320153that was never supposed to be the way the force worked, that was EU misunderstanding that Lucas absorbed and adopted because he's retarded.The 'light' side of the force is how things are supposed to work. It's meant to be:>>738319553>>738319952>>738320080>>738320510The force is an amalgamation of Daoist and Buddhist principles. LOVE isn't the problem, ATTACHMENT is. Star Wars is in essence a Buddhist universe where the Buddha never/hasn't yet manifested. This is what Anakin was supposed to be, but he failed.In Buddhist mythology, Buddha rejects both connection to worldly things AND the extreme asceticism of the sages. This was the establishment of Majjhimāpaṭipadā, the middle way. If there is good food, eat. Do not go out of your way to pursue it. If love comes to you, cherish it, but do not chase it nor clutch it to you if it leaves.Jolee Bindo's problem wasn't that he fell in love, his problem was that when he lost it, he let it drag him down instead of enriching him, because he couldn't give up the POSSESSION of it.
>>738320758>obsessiveIts not love if its not obsessive desu
>>738320417It doesn't compel a bunch of normal ass engineers from creating a Death Star anon. The Force existing only adds another potential vector for suffering though the actions of its adherents. It's like someone hating their own lungs for breathing in poison. The Force is fundamental to that universe, the only ones to blame for its misuse are the retards who go around being faggots in its name. People like Kreia are just an analogue for those who argue about gun control.
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>>738320781>The force is an amalgamation of Daoist and Buddhist principles.That's mostly cope from people want it to be deeper than it is. The black and white nature of the Star Wars setting is fundamentally Christian.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiImoO5QkcA
>>738320982Yeah sorry but Lucas post divorce is to be disregarded in the manner of all creators who made a thing they don't understand or know why it was popular or successful. He made a fucking pastiche of samurai films. The eastern philosophy is unintentional, but inescapable.
>>738320769ya dayum right!
>>738321039Sure anon, the Darkside automatically giving everyone who uses it scary monster eyes, a bad complexion and an automatic wardrobe of red and black, is super deep Asian mysticism about the nature of Dharma.
>>738321039This is peak media illiteracy>people think its popular because we believe x>artist: uh no sweaty its actually y>consumers: noooooo were gonna disregard you & pissed & shitted ourselves because you are no longer part of it!
>>738320982>fundamentally Christian.Yes, which is why understanding the Force continues to hard filter people especially midwits who side with Kreia because the argument 'against' the Force relies on the same foundations of 'if God real why bad things happen.' It's impossible to explain shit to Kreiafags because they inherently lack the spirituality needed to understand Lucas' work.
>>738319058With enough cybernetic enhancements you could still play lightsaber guyIsn't that what Grievous basically did?
>>738320758He fell because he was a spoiled brat who's shitty behavior was only ever reinforced by any other Jedi naming him the Chosen one. So the second he was denied the thing he thought was his rightfully, he fell. It's no different from some faggot kid being told they're special and oh so smart growing up, only to immediately crumble and curse the universe after they hit high school math class and realize that they're not hot shit at all.
>>738321434He was still force sensitive though which gave him a higher understanding of motion. He might be a cyborg but hes still a super giga nigga
How can one destroy the Force without destroying all life in the Universe which creates the Force?
>>738319058Anon, Han with zero training took Luke's saber and used it to save without cutting his arms off, some droid could easily be lightsaber guy, they just wouldn't have the space magic to go with it.
>>738321537I really don't know if the Jedi could have done a better job with him; he was fucked the moment they got him since he was never going to get over being a slave.
>>738321537Yes and no, it’s not like mace windu was sucking his dick the entire time. He outright says that he was going to start trusting anakin if he was right about palpy being a Sith Lord. Many Jedi were outright against him joining due to being too old and missing his mom. The Jedi code is dogmatic about attachments, but still partially bent their beliefs due to quigons dying wish. Anakin was still a complete schizo in aotc though. I feel like quigon was what kreia wanted from the Jedi, someone who got shit done without giving in to his desires. Phantom menace has a shitton of flaws, but Quigons dealing with way to alone make him one of the best Star Wars characters.
>>738321831It's a debate. Some people think Obi Wan being so young at the time getting the raw talent of Anakin as a student, set him up for future failure because of Obi's own arrogance and relentless attempts at positive reinforcement trying to be the Qui Gon that Anakin should have gotten. If Qui Gon Jinn survived and got Anakin as he was meant to, or got Yoda, or Mace Windu, there's an argument to be made that he would have been better prepared for Darkside lies and bullshit down the road.
>>738322160I think Quigon is often referred to as the model jedi and I wished we got to see more of him. Liam Neeson would have done it
>>738320781>The force is an amalgamation of Daoist and Buddhist principlesNo, Daoism is how we get retards who insist on a balance between light and dark. George was a weeb, the Force is based on Shinto-Buddhist ideas of impurity and corruption from his favorite samurai movies. The natural balance is one where impurity does not exist.
>>738317116Is it really feasible to destroy something created by all living things without killing those living things?
Because it's melodrama for a b tier DnDerivative that doesn't even want to play by the rules of the setting its in, it couldn't even commit to because Kreia is ultimately sith and the entire thing is just how she drags you into her dyad.Same with "grey jedi" shit.>OOOH, I WANNA SHOOT LIGHTNING AND BE A GOOD GUY, BUT ALSO I'M A SUPER DUPER GOOD GUY THAT'S BETTERER THAN THE ACTUAL GOOD GUYS!
>>738322261Yeah I don't think it would have mattered personally since I've been discussing this before. EU knowledge or not, it would have just made Palpatine's job more difficult, but he'd been eyeing Anakin as an apprentice for so long I think Anakin was fucked no matter what.
>>738322261Nta. Wasn't the point that obi wan acted more like a friend than a mentor?
>>738322160Jinn was someone who practiced the "Living Force" belief system that the old EU cooked up. He was considered something of a weirdo for it by other Jedi too. But the Living Force is more like how the Jedi used to think of the Force before their reforms into black and white dogmatism. Jinn was essentially that one free balling hippy space cop in a room full of stiff by the book types. Absolutely a far more chill teacher for the aggression of the desert slave messiah.
>hurr durr durr I'm a slave to the primal cosmic forces that keep me and everything else aliveWhat a whiny miserable bitch.>>738320781Buddhism is gay and attachment is a beautiful thing. Suffering is a natural consequence of loving anything, grief is just an expression of how much you loved something, and that is beautiful. I pay that price gladly.
>>738322656Pretty much yeah. He wasn't really the authority figure he should have been.
>>738322560>it couldn't even commit to because Kreia is ultimately sith and the entire thing is just how she drags you into her dyad.But anon that's literally the entire point of the story, Kreia is feeding you bullshit, her sith name is literally darth betrayer. The light side ending makes it clear, anyone attempting to both sides the force is just a pawn of the dark side in denial.
Why is she a Darth if she has no desire to preserve the Force? The Sith are still attuned to the Force, just the dark side of it. If she cares not for the light or dark sides then she can't really be a Sith Lord.
>>738321824If you want to take Jedi: Survivor into account you also have random raiders trained by Rayvis with no Force sensitivity that we know of that were able to use Lightsabers just fine. Several of them could even Maul stance.
>>738322656Plus he was also retarded and completely failed to do anything about Anakin's blatant emotional decline and corruption except give him even more shit without trying to understand or relate to him, and then abandoned him once he had fallen. Pretty much the opposite of what a mentor is supposed to do.
>>738322851>Um actually here's whereThey accidentally realized what they were retarded and were forced to play along with the rules.
>>738322851The amount of people who don't get this is unreal. She's a subversion of the stereotypical mentor figure guiding the player - she's corrupt and doing it to manipulate you.
>>738322961She didn't enter her nihilism phase until after the other two kicked her out of the sith trio. Kreia's entire character is being rejected by both the jedi and sith and deciding that both sides are bad because they rejected her specifically.
>>738323053Anon it's not complicated Kreia is just Avellone doing "what if Ravel was a companion" and if you think we are supposed to agree with her or Ravel you like completely missed the point of both games.
I stopped listening to her when she started giving me shit for doing blatantly good things like giving hobos some money for food. Fuck off you hag bitch.
>>738318509But the force is tied to all living beings. Destroying it would kill everything alive.
>>738319908I thought he also ended up like Dash Rendar and Shadows of the Empire?
>>738323317No, I'm not going to play this stupid game where I'm not supposed to take the overt attempted messaging as intentionally bad because the logical conclusion of them doesn't play out how the writer clearly wanted them to and instead how he was wrangled into writing it because of the setting.I've written before, and I know it's bullshit.
>>738320551I don't know, he's just happy to be there.
>>738322851Anon, there are no "both sides". The Force having sides is entirely the consequence of all sapience needing to categorize shit according to accept or exclude dogma and then building entire belief systems out of that conceit. The Darkside is only a permeable thing because it has been constantly reinforced as such. Which is why Yoda only ever calls it a corruption of the Force under Lucas' original ideas before those ideas caved under the weight of all the EU crap. The Light Side as a thing was never in the first three films. EU writers plotted it out after the fact. That shit is an addendum to make the story easier to consume, like how Kryptonite was never part of Superman's original gimmick or how Lancelot was never part of King Arthur's original poetic verse. Those things were added later by brainlet writers after the fact for the sake of cheap conflict and Lucas to his fault went along with it because he just wanted to sell toys.
>>738323545>where I'm not supposed to take the overt attempted messaging as intentionally bad because the logical conclusion of them doesn't play out how the writer clearly wanted them toAnon it's almost plagiarism levels of just being torment but star wars, the messaging didn't change that much. Do you also think we were supposed to agree with Ravel in Torment but all the subtext pointing to the opposite was a consequence of the setting?
>>738323726I already said no.
>>738323215Sounds like the equivalent of committing arson when you couldn't get a job.
>>738322961Darth is just a title given to any Sith who proves themselves. The Sith are a religious order, you gain the title by engaging in acts of betrayal as a part of ritual fundamentalism to reinforce your connection to the Darkside. Which is why the easiest way to become a Darth is for a Jedi to betray his teachings by joining the Sith. You don't have to be a Jedi to go Sith, there are simply a lot of former Jedi in the organization and you aren't automatically Sith just for using the Darkside, you have to use it specifically to betray your former ideals.
>>738323963The Sith are a religious organization by believing in their connection to the dark side of the Force. She's telling them they can shove it up their ass as much as the Jedi because both sides are drinking the kool-aid.
>>738323619Exactly my point anon, that's one of the central ideas of the game in fact, it's a critique on just simply boiling down the force into "blue choice and red choice" in KOTOR 1. It's why falling into the dark side also corrupts everyone around you it's not a simple binary choice with no consequences falling into that corruption is shown for what it is.
>>738323538Lucas also liked Darth Talon and didn't care if she was from twenty years after RotJ. He wanted to add her to his prequel shit and was talked out of it by the nerds who surround him because they were adhering to EU nonsense that didn't actually matter.
So if the Triumvirate achieved their goals and killed all the Jedi then what? Sit down and have a coffee?
I do like the idea of someone taking umbrage with the Force as an essence and how manipulative it is. The fact it has led people towards a light or dark side when in reality they have let their minds become enslaved to a specific way of thinking because of the Force's influence on their actions.It's not exactly wrong. Choosing to align with the side that speaks to you then telling the other side they are the bane of the will of the Force fails to consider that the Force is just playing everyone to its whims and is deliberately keeping everyone who ascribes to it in constant conflict for no actual benefit to those in the conflict.
>>738324104She is correct in thinking the title doesn't mean shit, because it doesn't. It only has power because the Sith give it power.
>>738324173I'd argue the sith as a philosophy don't really know what to do once they achieved their goal. Bane didn't set an endgame just that one day a sith will be forged by his rule of two that will destroy the jedi and take over the galaxy. Sith never really knew what they would do with the galaxy if they took it over.
>>738317116You can't, so theres that
>>738323619>there are no both sides>someone uses it in a good way>someone uses it in an evil way>there are no both sidesExtreme retardation in this post. Sorry the EU and Lucas mogged any gay ass dharma bullshit you're pretending ever existed.
hag sex
>>738324537You can't say that.
>>7383183546
>>738322712>Buddhism is gay and attachment is a beautiful thingThis
>>738317116The Force is too much power for mortals to ever possess responsibly. You can't let them have it
so why was kotor 2 so shit?>planet force eating guywhy
>>738317116the more I grow up, the more I realize she's literally me.
>>738324356The foundation of Sith power is passion and power, an unending fountain. Nobody stays top dog forever
>>738317116It's not. The force locks the galaxy in endless wars for the stars. To wield the Force is to be a tool of it's will. Freedom is only possible through severance. Countless people would die, but it would not be the end.
>>738324826I'm top dog.
THE FORCE IS FEMALETHE POWER OF MANY
>>738324682Actually I always thought she was preaching the opposite: the Force is weak, the Jedi and Sith just let it have power through their devotion to the light and dark sides. Without those it can manipulate it will wither and fade, which is exactly what she seeks. Exposing the Force as a manipulator means it gives those who have fallen for its siren call back their ability to think for themselves.
>>738323481>>738318509It's not tied to droids, who would clankonically rise up after millennia of oppression.The future is artificial.
>>738324114Avalon can critique shit all he wants but that one in particular was a stupid thing to critique. The light side/dark side meter was only ever there to gamify another system to to pay attention for the player's benefit. It was a means to an end for adding a mechanic to the game that was already fundamentally primitive. Singling that out to critique it was idiotic and would be like someone making Nathan Drake a murderous psychopath in a new Uncharted game just because of all the goons he killed previously when those goons were only there to give the player something else to do and aren't actually part the story. Avalon not understanding ludonarrative dissonance is his own bitch ass problem because he forgets that video games are fucking video games.
>>738324173Either keep looking for ways to amass more power for themselves, betray each other or both
>>738318509Maybe. You don't know that though. It's just that thus far the largest galactic wars were motivated by Sith. Perhaps if there was no Force then it would be even worse.
>>738320628this. disciple is less bad.
>>738324682There's a weapon that can blow up planets. But tell me more about how The Force is such a horrible weapon.
>>738324682What greater morality is Kreia invoking when she makes these claims? Personal preference?
>>738324491Anon, your inability to separate the user from the system is unfortunate.
>>738324897I'm pretty sure at least T3-M4 was force-sensitive to a degree. A force backlash of that size would likely fry all of them droids also.
>>738324887>THE FORCE IS FEMALEThat would explain a lot about KOTOR 2
>>738320716honestly, how do you guys build these characters? I almost always just hard focus jedi only companions because everything else feels weak.
>>738325027Like what? You sound like you're going to bark some seriously stupid shit.
>>738321815The Exile proved that you can live without The Force. That was why she was obsessed with him.Would it be feasible to cut absolutely everyone from The Force? Probably not. But he's still a proof of concept.
>>738324928The critique is that it mostly fucks over roleplay, one of which he was right since Bioware did an even more stripped down version in Mass Effect and we see directly in that game how it plays out. Players don't think about choices, they pick blue because they are doing a blue playthrough. In context of the force you're not actually making choices, you aren't choosing to be a good person because it's the right thing to do but because it's the light side thing to do.
>>738325008Sith are inherently self destructive morons, so yes actually.
>>738325086>Female in nature>Likes to stir shit between different factions>Deadly and catastrophic consequences for delving too deep into her nature>Love me fully and no else or your on the dark side>Try to cut her off and her followers (white knights) come to her aid and even try to kill you
>>738325008Kreia would absolutely shut down and start screeching incoherently if she was ever asked this
The Force operates on a feedback loop. Choose a side to commune with, believe the other is to the detriment of the side to the one you chose, and try to prevent more people from believing in that side. Through this someone ALWAYS believes in the Force in some way and it gets what it wants, which is bodies and attention. The endless conflict that it creates for itself is just the thing that keeps people believing in it (because surely with stronger belief in their own side the Force will bestow them the strength to overcome the other side) and locked in the loop.
>>738324895Yeah that's more her philosophy I imagine.
>>738325001Weapons are man made the Force is not. And the Force is manipulative and draws people into conflict by its mere presence.
Never trust a sith. Never believe a woman. Now combine the two.
>>738325008I don't see her invoking a moral argument but rather an argument of will. Will is the third element missing from the traditional Force factions. Jedi are slaves to Balance and Sith are slaves the Passion, but neither acknowledge Will.
>>738325348Meh, I'll risk it
>>738325429Cade didn't go far enough with this bitch.
What if I want to follow one of the many non-jedi/sith force traditions?
does adhd cause me to instinctively hump objects and squeeze my penis because it feels good? I am addicted to feeling constant pleasure from humping and squeezing
>>738325395Okay but I'm stronger than you and I like the force, so it stays and you can't really make any kind of appeals to me via will
>>738325136That shit was only ever flawed because idiot faggots over at Bioware decided to give more exp to the choices they preferred the player pick, actively hurting the concept of the mechanic itself. So yeah, players tended to just go with whatever gave them the most points. Obviously, if the system was equal, there wouldn't be so much of an issue with choice. Regardless this is the same faggot who only begrudgingly allowed the player to join the Legion in New Vegas and wishes he never allowed it, so all his bitching about players being allowed to roll play as something that shouldn't be hamstrung by stupid mechanics or morality is for naught.
>>738325253So essentially never let god and the devil be the same entity, because then you're just the monkey dancing for the organ grinder.
>>738325574>god and the devil be the same entityIn most religions they kind of have to be since one God (specifically the Abrahamic religions) state everything comes from God. Even has bible verses saying it
>>738318539Slopvellone...
>>738325574>never let GodThe problem thoughever is that God IS. It's not a matter of letting God(the force in this case) do anything, it does and will continue to do because it is.
>>738325490Then you're a weirdo but if you don't get killed on Dathomir (pre-filoni) you'll get a hot gf.
>>738325505True strength is not the ability to impose your will upon the galaxy… but to know whether that will is your own
>>738325318>The Force is manipulative.Only if its actually alive. If it isn't you're just humanizing a fundamental law of nature by giving it agency where there isn't any. Nuclear bombs aren't manipulative because assholes want to obliterate people, it's the asshole who built the thing that's the problem, the bomb itself isn't wringing its hands and thinking about what a good job it did to trick its creator into it existing to bomb things.
>>738325728And what greater objective truth are you invoking when you attempt to make a truth claim?
>>738325704>DathomirStill pissed they killed off this guy so quickly. He had a point
>>738325728How does Kreia know that her own will is not influenced by the Force?
>>738325848I didn't play this, was it a good point
>>738325848>survives order 66>ends up on dathomir of all places>has to be in a constant state of might makes right or else the zabrak niggers will kill himThe fact he's even still coherent by the time you meet him is a testament.
>>738325795Your mind is searching for an objective, like a Jedi does with Balance or a Sith with Power.Appealing to “objective truth” is just another way of outsourcing responsibility and letting something else rationalize your choices for you. There may be no such truth and if there isn’t, what does that make your certainty worth?
>>738325874>Jedi were always destined to be wiped out>No point in trying to rebuild the order just for it to collapse again>Fight against the Empire>Allowed to love and feel emotionOf course this couldn't be allowed and he was turned into a deranged lunatic so you had to kill him
>>738325857By her logic, since the Force is everywhere and in all things, the Force is secretly manipulating her to hate it and seek its own destruction while also helping the player against her own wishes. She was only ever a yoyo.
>>738325857Kreiafags can't refute this. Kreia herself was driven by the Force - and if not by the Force then by her own psychosis. Ultimately she was a maniacal old hag ready to kill everyone for both Orders rejecting her.People really need to realize that Kreia just wanted to make a second Nihilus out of the Exile, so that she could die knowing the galaxy is going to burn.
>>738325954>what does that make your certainty worthWell without a greater objective truth or morality, all claims are subjective, at which point what I want reasonably has to matter to me the most, and therefore if I can I should, and last I checked, I'm the MC, and you're the NPC, Kreia, so shut that lip and watch me force lightning this dude
>>738325857If the Force touches all things, then it may influence her as well. I don't think she claims immunity.
>>738324114smoochable lips
>>738325857Uh...Shit there really is no escape from the Force unless you actually kill it
>>738325857Isn't that the whole free will question?
>>738319402It's funny you say that because that's precisely the reason she's so obsessed with (You), because you are the living proof that the force is not necessary at all.
>>738326090>t. The Force
>>738325957>No point in trying to rebuild the order just for it to collapse againAhhhh yes, the settler logic of those in the Fallout universe. No point in grabbing a broom to sweep up this glass or move these 200 year old skeletons, I'mma just squat in this shanty hole with this glass and these skeletons because if it build anything better, it COULD get knocked over.
>>738325848>>738325957Malicos would've just made another Dark Side Cult that would've immediately been sniffed out by Palps and destroyed, his "point" was moot.
>>738326149So the Force wants to kill itself?
>>738326032So, you have stripped away objective truth only to crown yourself in its place. How utterly efficient. "If I can, I should" is hyper predictable Sith logic, because they are a slave to passion and power echoing every other tyrant that has ever existed. Even calling me an NPC is just believing things were shaped for you and belief is the illusion at play here.
>>738326178Who says that the Jedi way is the correct way to use the Force?
>>738326207Or use a person who thinks they can kill the force to galvanize the force, its all according to keikaku.
>>738326207But also it wants to kill Kreia for wanting to kill it by helping the player kill her using it (while she uses it against you)
>>738326149All I’m gathering is the force is just Tzeentch with a vague eastern mysticism motif
>>738326090Well there is a way but uhhh... it isn't really better.
>>738321241No. Well, kinda but actually no.Dark Side users tend to get horrifically fucked up more, ones like Traya and Palpatine have glamours, but most of the time the ugliness of the Dark Side is limited to yellow eyes and the battle scars.
>>738325395Will is like the entropy of the Force, since will cannot necessarily be light or dark. The Force can't really impart a message on someone who already adopted a path of self-determination. It has nothing to offer them (since if they did like something on one side or the other they're already ensnared to the eternal struggle).
>>738326280The correct way to use the Force is to just not be an asshole. There, that's it. You don't need to be a Jedi to do that.
>>738326326They're still connected to the force. No one is truly free.
>>738326306Its simple logicIF the force is in capital A ALL things and directs capital E EVERYTHINGTHEN you can never be entirely sure that your decision especially that to destroy the force is itself not influenced by the force
>>738326207>Force is an animal>Dark Side is a cancerous tumor with puss>Sith keep poking the tumor with sticks so they can absorb the juices and get stronger>Jedi keep Force in hospice because they can't even begin to fathom life without it>Force is thus in a state worse than deathYes, the Force wants to die. It's miserable.
>>738326425The nature of the force is to be at balance. It makes sense that the force would use someone like Kreia to seek to destroy it to galvanize some new movement of force balancers
>>738326306>TzeentchPersonification of things like mutation, schemes and manipulation ultimately. The Force is sold as some energy field that simply exists and can be tapped into. But Kreia suggests it is something more like Tzeentch silently manipulating those it touches.
>Qui-Gon Jinn thinks the Force has agency>Qui-Gon Jinn was the only Jedi that understood the Force well enough to be allowed into Space Heaventhus we know that the Force does indeed have agency and is functionally Space God
>>738326306The Force is only manipulating those who use it when they themselves think it is. Since it's everywhere and in everything and everyone, then those who can focus on are the ones that give it definition. Back before the Sith as an organization ever even existed, the Force was just the Force, it was only when the Jedi looked upon the twisted shit that their own were starting to do with it that they said fuck off and then from that the Sith were created. Even in the old EU, the Rakata, the first being to use the Force evilly never defined the Darkside as the Darkside, to them using the Force to obliterate their foes and then eat them was just the normal way to do things.
>>738326357>Will is like the entropy of the Force, since will cannot necessarily be light or darkIt introduces a layer of uncertainty into the Force, because Light and Dark side both have controlled, honestly predictable narratives. But if Will is entropy to the Force than Will isnt outside the Force and thus becomes another expression of it, just less stable. We can't know for certain until we destroy it.
>>738326619If space god real why space bad thing happen
>>738326753Pack it up boys, the smartest man in the universe is here
>>738326753Dark side aka sin
>>738326753"Lack of balance" (even though what the hell are you trying to balance if stabbing every Sith Lord in the chest is the endgame because "they tainted the Force").
>>738326753Desire
>>738326809>>738326815>>738326845>>738326858why space god make space sin
>>738326646>RakataYeah they didn't name it as part of a compass but they still acted within its predictable framework. Interpretation is constructed, okay sure, but the effects are not.
If you had the Force in this world. What would you do? Realistically only so much violence you could get away with so keep that in mind
>>738326947Create a cult and get laid.
>>738326928From my understanding. Sin is just not doing what God wants. If he ask you to kill someone then its not a sin but if you do it off your own back then it is
>>738326619This, Prequels were very clear the Force is Space God. Qui Gon was one example, the fact that the Sith pissed the Force enough to basically spawn in their destruction is another.I imagine the Force was like chilling and was perfectly willing to let the galaxy do whatever up until Kreia tried to basically fucking kill it, and that was when it decided to take sides and that the Sith needed to be eradicated.
>>738326947I would use it to have sex
>>738326326if they show rakatans and vong in the near future i will take back 90% of my filoni slander
>>738326982All the alphabet agencies will be on you like white on rice so thats a no go
>>738327052They'll be done worse and be lamer.
>>738327059I become a three letter agent and use it to get laid.
>>738326619Even if the Force behaves as if it has a will, that doesn’t settle whether it’s a guiding mind or just a system whose outcomes we interpret after the fact.
>>738327106Well played anon
>>738327073at least then the door is open and we get another tony gilroy andor like thing
>>738326947If we're talking like, no restrictions I'm honestly a lazy piece of crap and hate politics so I'd probably use it to force grill some space burgers from the couch after space work.Maybe start a space soup kitchen if I got a hair up my ass about really doing something with it.
>>738326928Blame space women. Space god only defined sin after space woman deiced to defy space god.
>>738326928Things have to exist is why. In order for man to truly follow God and understand His will they need an awareness of what it would be to not follow it.What they didn't need to do was become intimate with it and corrupt their nature with it.Space Adam "knew" what sin was, which is why he was able to disobey space God before he ate the space apple. But eating the space apple of the knowledge of space good and space evil kind of imbued him with a certain space evil in his space nature
I think of the force like an ant. Using it correctly and letting it flow through you lets the ant work without trouble, and you benefit from it. If you control the ant and put it in places that benefit you then eventually the ant will bite you, no matter what you do you cannot control the ant.
>>738317116I don't know but I want to pin Kreia down and destroy her in bed
>>738327241In most space theology space Adam is technically the first space sinner despite space eve eating the space fruit first
>>738326936Because it's exactly as Yoda said, it's a corruption, The Rakata didn't understand that and just thought it was normal for them to get more fucked up the more they tapped into it. The Force responds to the user which is why you get more fucked the more you get corrupted by the corruption. In effect, the users of the Darkside are giving the Darkside agency through sheer collective will.
It feels like there should be more people like Kreia out there. Those disenfranchised by the fact that the Force has never let one side really defeat the other, meaning it's just making empty promises to keep things going. Even when the Sith itself almost fell apart due to the constant backstabbing and betrayal it never dissolved and retained enough of a presence to continue pressuring the Jedi.Count Dooku feels like the closest example to someone who was about to wake up to what they were actually playing into but instead he just chose to side with Sidious rather than refuse to be a pawn any longer.
>>738327373And in some, there was another space wife before space eve who was actually even more space worse
>>738327373Space Adam did not stop Space Eve from tempting him. I think it's a smart position to say Space Adam is the first space sinner since Space Adam being the Space Man should not have subjected himself to a Space Woman no matter what the reason was. I think the argument that he was the first space sinner is valid.
>>738327548Yeah, but that's all gnostic Space Jew head canon.
>>738327595Oh, I agree. Sorry, I hope I wasn't communicating that I disagree.
>>738326947I'd rather just use it to sense earlier if something dangerous is heading my way, or in ways that isn't totally unfair since I think throwing people around with space magic is kind of fake and gay and takes away from the accomplishment of defeating them normally.
>>738327676No you're fine, I just wanted to elaborate my position.
Reminder: Space Eve shouldn't have eaten the space apple, but Space Adam is ultimately responsible because of his space passivity in failing to lead his spacewife.
>>738327432If the same corruption spiral appears across unrelated cultures, why does the system favor that trajectory and if collective will gives the Dark Side agency why does it produce such predictable outcomes?
>>738327742Eh, sorta. This talking point is used a lot in evangelical circles but it's more that Eve was tricked and Adam straight disobeyed God. Space space space space
>>738327617>Space Jew head canonYou can't talk about Toydarians like that.
>>738317116Because this is not something one bitter hag should get to decide.
>>738327689>since I think throwing people around with space magic is kind of fake and gay and takes away from the accomplishment of defeating them normally.Lightsaber Duelists would agree!
>>738325395Wheaton?
>>738327617Knock it off.Referring to anything as “Space Jew” crosses into antisemitic territory. You’re free to argue about lore or interpretations, but leave real-world groups out of it.This is a warning.
>>738327516The force has a lot of problems, mostly stemming from being a concept with 50 years of retcons. The whole point is the dark side should not happen. The writer of Kotor 2 wasnt the type of guy to get the essence of the jedis. Kreia is a self insert for a lot of his ideas on how things should work.
>>738328125Jew isn't automatically a pejorative, in fact it's used in the Bible as a term for the men of Judah
>>738317116Because most "people" are onthological cowards that would continue the cycles of pain, suffering and eternal game of cat and mouse between the jedi and the sith and even justify as "that's just the way things have to be" instead of doing anything to change it.All the secondaries speed readers itt failed to notice that the exile is a living proof you can live severed from the force.
>>738328257That’s not the point, and you know it.“Jew” can be a neutral term in the right context. Using it as part of a dismissive phrase like “Space Jew head canon” isn’t that, it’s invoking a real-world group as a punchline. Debate the idea all you want. Drop the phrasing.This is your final warning on it.
>>738317116>Why exactly is destroying the Force wrong?Ah yeah? That fundamental element in the universe that's tied to all living things? That force? Yeah maybe there could be some ramifications to the stability to the universe and the ability for things to live in it if you destroyed it. Just maybe, you know.
Can a kind anon help me. Decades ago, I got to the end of kotor 2 with one other dot on the star map looking like a planet I hadn't visited and I land wherever she is and go off alone to face her and I forget what we talked about but I was probably anti whatever bullshit she was spouting so we fought and this bitch pulls out 3 floating lightsabers and it was really close at the end, could have gone either way but I'm pretty sure I killed her and not vice versa and then it cut to the ebon hawk with my bros onboard falling into a canyon and then cut to the stars and then credits. I was like, maybe i lost and loaded the save and did it again and again it was very close and was pretty much the same shit, fought her, could have been me or her that died in the end but thought it was her, same ebonhawk falling then out to stars and credits. Afterwards people were all, that ending sucked and I was all, damn right, that was ass but I've never really been sure if that was the actual ending to the game or if I just found a fail-state or had a bad ending. Are there other endings to the game or was that really it? I'm half-retarded if that helps.
>>738328378>punchlineIts not a joke, it's a fact, "lillith" is a myth made up by a community of gnostic Semitic people.
>>738327758Because the users of the Darkside all want the same thing and all keep falling for the same entrapment scheme to get it. So the agency derived from that same single fundamental conceit of greed becomes a predicable equation and thus corrupts the same way every time. In the same sense, the Jedi eventually became so fearful of the Darkside that their own fear fed into the Darkside allowing for their powers to become weaker against it and even stop working when they felt that fear in facing it. Palpatine knew this and played into it. Through the rigid dogmatism of reform after reform, refinement of what it meant to be a Jedi over time devolved their understanding of Force itself and is what ended up killing them all. They went so hard into the concept of the "light" that they started excommunicating or straight killing anyone even slightly off base. Qui Gon was always on a knife's edge in regard to this and before he fell Anakin was also approaching similar apostasy for being "too aggressive". All for the sake of fear because of the Jedi who fell before.
>>738328276The Exile’s condition comes from basically PTSD. It’s a metaphysical injury that breaks their connection to the Force which is why Kreia latches on becausd its evidence that a possibility exists to live outside the Force and still, well, act. I wouldn't necessarily call it cowardice per say, especially if the Force is able to exert FORCE (they make it so obvious) on people's psyche to get them to take specified actions. The Exile shows the cycle isn’t absolute but the tragedy seems to be that breaking it requies some serious shit and costs that most people could not possibly manage without a complete mental breakdown.
>>738326326The vong are what they are because they once felt the force but then fucked their planet so hard the force rejected them. They literally got better when they got to feel the force again. >>738327052wait, are the rakatans related to the vong at all? I didn't think they were, that the rakatans were just the progenitor race that made slaves of the force and every species they came across then went extinct because the force always wins (or something). I wouldn't put it past some nuwars pseud thinking it would be ballerrhyme to link them.
>>738327742Space Adam was already corrupted by Space Lilith and didn't want slap Space Eve's shit because of it.
>>738327742>>738328718Space Cain is the cause of all this.
>>738327052>Tatooine is the real human homeworld>Tuskens are some kind of human precursor race and Coruscant natives were just the ones the Rakata decided to abduct as slaves thousands of years ago and ditched them there before they got wiped outIs any of this canon? Was it ever? Kotor kind of implied it and I found it interesting.
>>738328509No.This framing is problematic. You’re singling out a real-world ethnic/religious group in a dismissive way instead of addressing the idea itself.We’re not debating that here. Drop the phrasing and keep it about the content.Final warning.
>>738328125Space antisemetic anon. Get it right, you're all Darksiders anyway. The Space Jew is no better than a Sith or Dark Jedi.
>>738317116Sex with Kreia
>>738328696no, i just thing those 2 races need to be on screen. rakatans at least got mentioned in andor
>>738328832Lilliths is made up, sorry charlie
I think Ray Stevenson's character in Ahsoka was going to do the whole "not a jedi but not a sith, technically dark side but not evil" take on the force but the actor died so I don't know that they'll ever expand on that in the show now.
>>738328237The concept of the force should have never changed from the "luminous beings" speech.
>>738328764Space Cain was in the right, Space Able was a total pussy space queer. If Space Able was so great why didn't Space God help him avoid the space rock that split his space head?
>>738317116My life is so boring. I wish I could go on such adventures and meet intelligent women
>>738329126>If space God so good why space bad thing happenSpace Satan really thought he space cooked with this space argument. You already lost, bozo, you don't even have the keys to death anymore
You can corrupt the force without being a sith, you can be one with the force without being a jedi. You'll get labeled either way.
>>738325348we can make it work
>>738327373Yes because Eve was a woman and women don't have accountability
>>738329219>women>intelligentCrafty maybe, sly possibly.
>>738328828
>>738329308Every woman i ever met was so paper thin and boring. Holding a conversation is impossible and I like people I can also learn something from. And life is so boring and routine I wish I could go on an adventure with a mission
NEVER ask a Sith supremacist the race of their wife
>>738328947>made upWhich parts are real and verified anon?
>>738329469I never took her slave collar off.
>>738329403Xesh is a human and isn't from Tatooine, also the people in Tatooine don't look very humanlike
I've always wanted more Force religions. The Witches of Dathomir aren't good enough and are only interesting in concept besides. If the Sith are all about hate and betrayal. What about Darksiders all about sorrow and grief? Or Darksiders all about other emotional extremes like a cult of Hutts who manifest the Darkside through pure greed?
>>738317116I hope you and you're crusty boyfriend have fun in hell when I kill you on Malachor V
>>738329504https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHECKcnloCE
>>738317116>The Force booting supergenocidal murdermongs from communion: "stoopid EU >:(">Destroying the Force (lol): "OH MY RADICAL :O"I wish Lucas had made one of his tours at LucasArts when Obisidan pitched this crap and destroyed Avellone's life there and then
I am the dark lord in kotar 2. such shit bitch
>>738329501She wasnt written about by jewish people until the 8-10th century CE in which she was 1:1 plagiarized by Mesopotamian myth
>>738329582
the most satisfying thing in kotar 2 is killing this diseased bitch and her undead boyfriend
>>738329678>by mesopotamian mythFROM* Mesopotamian myth
>>738329678Jesus wasn't written about until a 100 years after his death
>>738329691
as a true sith lord, it was quite fun chasing her down
>>738329771
>>738329582It goes back and forth because EU writers were never unified and retconned the fuck out of each other all the time. Coruscant is repeatedly were humans first show up though aside from the Tatooine angle, the Mandelorians for example are from Coruscant originally and were once lizard people before getting the shit kicked out of them by the other proto-humans then having to exile themselves into deep space to evolve on a new world.
have any of you guys actually played the patched version of kotor 2?
>>738329759And? Genesis was written somewhere 1400-1500bce, that's 2000+ years before a brand new adoption from a incongruent belief system. Even orthodox jews don't believe in lillith
>>738329619Yeah it never made sense to me that jedi would get a complete monopoly on force sensitives especially when the galaxy isn't completely unified. They might so rare that most planets wouldn't know what to do with one, but planets whose native races have a higher sensitivity should have some non-jedi force training protocols hidden in their religions and customs.
>>738329691>>738329771>>738329859I'm still mad Dawn of the Jedi and its novels got canned because of the Disney buyout; the Rakata were great villains, and they had this cannibalistic kind of bend to them too, IIRC.
dark side is the best ending
>>738328901>Kreia is disappointed in youFoolish anon, had you suggested hard fucking she would have been down.
The Jedi are just space mormons, just as evil and selfish as space sith
>>738329939as far as I'm concerned Disney isn't cannon, but legends is, and extended universe
Does either kotor or kotor 2 have sex mods? The archaic graphics is no hurdle for me
>>738329973I cut that bitches head off, and her crusty boyfriend. and after that I destroyed the jedi with my dark jedi
>>738329897I'm fine with it never getting elaborated on or set in stone, the galaxy is so old I wouldn't be surprised if every single 'home planet' for every race is actually not where they're from at all, partially because of the rakata and other races at the time. I know Palpatine in his short time completely rewrote the republics history and it was accepted fact for a while, imagine how many times that happened prior to the republic.
>>738329973>>738330108>we stopped the nukes
>>738326147NTA but QRD? Didn't the anon that you reply is saying the truth? I only played the first KOTR so why is the player in KOTR II proof the force is not needed?
there are boss fights after kreia
we will make a human centrist empire, yes this is my wife
I murdered every jedi and sith in this game even the galactic retard
>>738330290Who?
>>738330290get ye gone golem
>>738329913I just started a fresh playthrough with the restored droid planet version of the patch. Always heard it was awful so I’m curious to see it for myself.
>>738330192Tldr he gets ptsd from genociding mandoniggers and becomes a schizo and loses access to the Force and kreia gets wet because she sees it as proof that u dint need the force to make a decision in life bevause everyone in universe believes the force guides everything everyone does fucking calvinists
>Whispers an order to you but you have no idea what he said
>>738330402you have to patch it. the original game is broken
>>738330290faggot
>>738330443>Kreia is SW Nietzsche>Central antagonist is named NihilismWow big brain game
once patch and make it work kotor 2 is underrated
>>738329973yeah she claims that she wants that but in the end she wants some tender love making
>>738330290I bet u fuckin put your mom's bra and panties on as well you fuckin freak fag chopped up cock bitch fuck you get out of the fuckin thread prick
>>738330526>writer: some guy who heard "God is dead we killed him" in passing one time
>>738330443>I also kill it and sees what happens
>>738330443*warble warble robot noises*
>>738330581I tried to do but the controls on PC don't work because shit is all fucked up like super fast mode or slow mode randomly. Its fundamentally a broken port.
>>738330443>do you get sucked in or not
>>738330443>>738330647kneel, loser
>>738330582Kreia is probably so warm ans tight in her pussy and I would love to feed from her breast and cum
>>738330695>just need to...catch my breath
>>738330151Pretty much, there are also those automated pyramid ships in the EU that randomly abducted various very early Force sensitive races and dropped them off just as randomly and that was before the Rakata started fucking about. The pyramid ship deep lore is also why the ancient Sith and Jedi temples all look the same, because the first Jedi temples were built out of some of those ships which became dormant for unspecified reasons.
>>738330665just buy or use the gog version. I dont have the patched version anymore because I sold my old pc.
>>738330665Even with the community patch it still has memory leak issues that have never been resolved.Kotor 1 is even worse off.
>>738317116>”Why exactly is destroying the Force wrong?”
>>738330408It's not just about that. She explicitly mentions he is more than anyone else because of living with and without the force. He has abilities that aren't reliant on the force while at the same time being able to command it. One part is the will of the force/it's effects on will, the other is that it makes dependant children who cannot see anything but the force. I always believed the dark side play though you fail her because you still end up as a sith. As a lightsider you can simply choose to walk away after wiping the slate clean. Her plan b if the force can't be destroyed is to at least make sure you don't end up with genocidal powertards or a jedi order so fallen it itself becomes a path to the dark side. She's basically meta-Plapatine (sic!) that ends it on her terms instead of some tragedy based on misunderstood prophecy.
>>738330290Your wife likes math problems more than you.
Is there like, a normal dude under the Nihilus cloak? I always pictured him as like a spooky shadow figure beneath his robes but in the art of him fighting Atris, he has a normal human hand. When Visas removes his mask, she says she sees "just a man" but she's looking using the Force to begin with so that could mean anything.
>>738330401>>738330503>>738330598>>738330857are you alright
>>738318509it's an all-encompassing power and she's a hypocritical dipshit trying to be "smarter" than it because she can't stand the idea of never being 100% independent in her own strength
>>738330790it was really hard to get to get this game to work back on the day, there has to be better ways now, right?
>>738330609Accurate since Nietzsche never meant it literally. He was commenting on how godless SOCIETY was becoming, not about some space corpse.
>>738330790My game breaks the moment combat starts
best outcome is being super powerful sith
>>738330998what's you're platform?
>>738331040douche
>>738330895The Chiss are all autistic anon.
>>738330925I used the Steam version on Linux (original through Proton, not Linux port) and it works. Can even play movies without crashing. Just need to have vsync on at 60fps or there's a bunch of issues.
>>738330998you probably need to install patches. these games are broken on pc and other platforms
>>738330780Yeah, and what's funny is the Tho Yor were probably never getting elaborated on; who the fuck knows who built them? Celestials, maybe. Dawn of the Jedi starts up like a few thousand years after they all get taken to Tython, and there's still a ton of ancient shit going on in the background, so it's like staring at the pyramids a few centuries after their creation and trying to figure out why they were built that way, and then having the same question a few thousand years later.
>>738330891i think there is still a normal guy under there but the dark side energy just explodes and consumes him
>>7383310741
>>738331035PC modern. Camera spins and overall glitches happened and I cant play. Someone said to lower the resolution and cap fps
>>738331104I was talking about kotor 2 I had to download unofficial patches to even get it started
Oh... Star Wars yippie!!! Anyone else here trans?
>>738331182you're going to need to look up some unofficial patches
>>738330891Nihilus was a hungry void in the shape of a person."just a man" lm0a yea she's dispelling the myth, that's part of destroying her foe
>>738331135>CelestialsHatred. I despise the concept of actual Force Gods getting picked up, Folini can fuck off with that shit.
>>738331104I had to fuck around in the .ini to not instantly crash in the Peragus intro but after that it’s fine aside from aforementioned memory leaks making dialogue glitch out if I play too long without restarting the game.Pretty standard fare for getting an older game to run on modern hardware. Kotor 1 I need to quicksave every 5 minutes with how often it crashes or hangs on loading screens.
>>738331165NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
don't underestimate unofficial patches
>>738331261become an hero
>>7383314042
>>738331243Yes, me too. I did restored content mod through workshop, think it has some patches baked in.
>>738331312George did it. Why do you guys constantly blame Filoni for TCW when every episode is George Lucas approved?
>>738331417>don't underestimate unofficial patchesyea dont underestimate the random undocumented shite they'll bundle inside it
>>738331165>>738331420The first mod I ever installed was the one that let me win that fight and kill that little cunt.
>george lucas made ahsoka cunnybased graybeard
>>738331489that's a "you" problem
>>738331312i liked the clone wars force priestess thing but the shit from the comics is outlandishly retarded
>>738331441It applies fixes to some bugged events that don’t trigger in vanilla but I don’t know if it does anything regarding stability. Doubt it.The technical problems I have with kotor 2 I could just fix myself.
>>738331441gog is probably the best version if you're too retarded to fix and patch it.
>>738331441kotar2 was released completely broken and unplayable
>>738331445The old EU comics also did it in their early days. It was stupid then and its stupid now but at least the old ass comics from the 80's made those space gods fucking weird.
>>738331841my favorite was the extended universe after the original trilogy
>>738331794classic obsidian
>>738331445Because it was largely dropped only to get regurgitated worse and brought back.
>>738331886kek yup
>>738321267It's actually the other side of the horse-shoe, it's peak media over-analysis, because inherently death of the author is you saying 'nah fuck off' to the creator.>>738321241yes, because you're mainlining hate directly into your dick and corrupting your space chi
>>738331886God damn retards
>>738331882Early Star Wars comics were fucking goofy. I didn't know how good we had it.
>>738330067This was a serious question
>>738332040I don't drink space chi, I'm not Sith. Only space black coffee for me.
>>738332106you never read the novels
>>738330067There are some nude mods out there, but actual polygonal cock and balls penetration? Never seen it.
>>738332247learn how to make your own mods
>>738332247Dammit
>>738317116Because both the light side and dark side influence people. No one is free to make their own decisions free from it.Agree or disagree with it thats just her philosophy put as succinctly as possible.
>>738326326WTF is up with the humans' armor? Very un-Star Wars like design
>>738332376she's a total bitch. Just kill her in the end
>>738332376>>738332441she's not even the end boss.
>>738332214I read two. Splinter of the Mind's Eye, which was alight, and then the novel that was created out of the original concept for Star Wars from the McQuarrie art. That one was poo.
>>738332441She is kind of a little pissy crybaby even though I mostly agree with her points>Apathy is death. Worse than death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds the beasts and insects.
>>738330981Nietzche was just a protodawkins cheerleading the exact societal decay that he would later lament. His battle with nihilism was retarded and stands testament to how you cannot abandon normative authority and behavior and expect people to pretend like they still exist.
I wish there were more dark side stories. they're exciting, and cool. I promise everyone it won't turn me into a degenerate
>>738326326I don't like that their species got off scott free. They killed TRILLIONS and subjected people to 40k levels of torment in their living flesh rituals. They should've been genocided completely.
>>738332572I murdered her undead boyfriend in front of her
>>738332583He also hated being quoted, which is very funny.
>>738332571you should read the Darth Bane trilogy
>>738332631The old EU had some gems but it was mostly like trudging through a mountain of shit to find them.
>>738332683>Kreia approves of this
>>738332503>she's not even the end boss.SHE'S NOT?
>>738332571read these they're good books
>>738332745Bane?
>>738332906yes
Darth Vader trilogy > Darth Bane trilogy
>>738332195fucking space goths
>>738332954nice
>>738332875>>738332745>Drew KarpyshynIsn't this the same guy who wrote that god awful Revan novel?
>>738333005Yes because he worked for BioWare. He also wrote ME1 minus some characters (the good ones).
>>738332978>No space Goth light side Jedi waifuWhy even live?
>>738333065So, what you're saying is, he was paid to write that Revan swill bad, on purpose?
>>738333072Fate of the old republic will have this as a companion, don't worry
>>738333005you should read his books before you have an opinion, fucking retard
I've been doing a chronological EU read, currently on the Republic Commando books which are gud. I recommend the Lost Tribe of the Sith Anthology if you haven't read it. It's neat to see how a society of self-serving psychopaths barely avoid killing each other long enough to take over a planet.
>Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... that's what they should teach you to beware. But love itself will save you... not condemn you.Why is it always the Jedi who say "fuck the council" who are the most based?
>>738333005>I don't read books
>>738333005he wrote the Darth Bane trilogy
>>738333072I was about to ask what the fuck would that even look like then I remembered Merrin from Jedi Survivor
>>738333253explain Anakin then
>>738333005rule of 2
>>738318539>five fingersyikes!
>>738333253Because all the other Jedi and their self righteous piety signalling don't see how much they suck and are guilty of the same crimes they point out of others.
>>738333365*jedi who said fuck the council but didn't join/ stay with the Sith
>>738333325>>738333072>>738333208
>>738333253because the council is always run by out of touch zealots by the time when shit gets serious happened in kotor and in the pt
>>738333253Because true 'gray' Jedi like Jolee, Qui, and other 'fuck the Council' types are the only beings in the galaxy who are the closest to understanding the true nature of the Force.The Jedi Way IS the Force's Way, it's just that the Jedi Way frequently gets muddled and diluted by the Council, who rot and stagnate just like any other form of government.
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>>738333409Not playing EAslop
I'm surrounded by ignoret retards
>>738333365Anakin had an unhealthy obsession with a woman he only knew for a few days and didn't see again, then spent time with for a few more days until they got married in secret. In all this time they have 0 chemistry.
>>738333325You can't just look at a Space Goth and automatically think Sith. Maybe all that sexy makeup and deliciously pale skin is just part of their space culture? She could be a nice lady.
>>738333365anakin was actively being groomed by a sith lord for 13 yearsjedi like jolee bindo, qui gon jinn, and luke skywalker were not
>>738333467I haven't either but i heard the first ones ok>>738333464>>738333537>literally just a pale human with tattoosgive me wookie feet or give me death
>>738333534>everyone here is retarded
>>738333365Didn't control his passions, duh.
>>738333365Anakin could have just quit being a Jedi so he could get pussy, leaving the order wasn't banned. He wanted that space pussy AND council membership. He got greedy.
>>738333253The faggy council is unable and unwilling to stamp out evil and they aren't even all good. Where the sith are all passion on the right side of the horseshoe, the Jedi are just flavorless disenpassioned bureaucrat fag donothings on the other side, not realizing that you can be enpassioned and do good. Anakin with the proper shaping could have been a passionate force for good. All the cool Jedi who say fuck the council realize that you need to have a certain measured "yes dear" style of deceit in order to actually stand up against evil
>>738333370So only the first two bane books are good?
>high tier trope: the author recognizes that Jedi do have attachment, both to their teacher/student, and to the Order as a whole>novel is about how their failure to let the Order go after Order 66 leads them to make reckless decisions leading to bad outcomes
>>738333661i don't think the council would have permitted it, the would have hounded him to join or kept tabs on him, being the chosen one and all
>>738333661Anakin would have left the Order if they weren't at war. He wouldn't abandon the Jedi, not because of desired prestige, but because he would view it as leaving people he cared about to die fighting a war that they need his skills for.
>am I jedi>or am I sith?
>>738333772Padme's entire career might have been ruined as well.
>>738333772He could have just fucked off though, powerful Jedi had gone into hiding before. He could have taken Padme and split without ceremony.
>>738333707it's a trilogy. yeah, but you decide
>>738333707also forget about Darth zannah
>"Perhaps Revan never fell. The difference between a fall and a sacrifice is sometimes difficult, but I feel that Revan understood that difference, more than anyone knew. The galaxy would have fallen if Revan had not gone to war. Perhaps he became the dark lord out of necessity, to prevent a greater evil."God this game was so good
>>738333751Jedi Outcasts story is so kino>Darth Tyranosaurus Rex wants the source of all force energy>"kills" Jan>Kyle Katarn in a fit of rage: I will pfucking kill every sith and empire piece of shit that stands in my way>Luke: Aight, don't hurt yourself Kyle. Your Lightsaber is back in the ancient Jedi temple>kyle: STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY, SKYWALKER>Luke: alright, I trust you>It all works outWhy is there still no Kyle Katarn movie?
>>738320153There is no light, there is only the force. Leaving in balance with it is what the light "side" is, becoming a cancer upon it is the dark side. It's less good and evil and more co exist or become a parasite
>>738333931Bane's loli apprentice is arguably one of the shittier parts of those books. She's pretty trite.
>uhuhuhuh bro your mom died? That sucks dude, but like.....maybe you need to get over it brah.....
>>738334021yeah. she could have been written better.
>>738333931>>738334021I really liked her in the third book. It also has one of the best characters with Set.
>>738334023Padme had money, she was royalty. Why didn't she just buy his mom? Was she secretly Sith?
>>738334021>>738334079Darth zannah is no Darth talon
>>738334115she did get a sith lord elected as chancellor of the republic
>>738334410Technically Kiera Knightley did that.
>>738334115Palaptine and Padme are both from Naboo and both in the upper crust, coincidence?
>>738325136You either care about being efficent or roleplaying. I wanted to use one lightsaber like the guy in the trailer, if i wanted to win i would use 2.
Kotor 2 ruined the first game
>>738334023He literally did, he needed to understand Death is just a natural part of life. He was so obsessed with not dying that he fucked over the galaxy.
>>738334430i thought it was portman who was doing all the actually important political stuff
i wish i had the drive to play these games again, i also wish 2 wasn't such a sloppy mess of good ideas held together with chewing gum and paper clips
>>738334115Watto was a greedy space jew who didn't even accept Republic credits.
>>738334115
>>738334557
>>738334553Obsidians a real one for including this in their otherwise 100% serious story section
my favorite part of this game was murdering Darth kreia, and killing her faggot guard
1v1 x 5
>>738334637I always pictured him less as Jewish and more like those slimy middle eastern people
>>738329619Theres a couple of them but because of how star wars is "tell this story here and only the important bits" you dont see a lot of them. Theres like one in Bakura that has force stuff and the Chiss have whacky ideas about the force.
Reminder: Toydarians are a front to distract you so that you don't remember that these guys run the Space Banks.
I am the sith lord. bow down, and for die.
>>738334023>>738334479Yoda literally tells Anakin not to mourn people which is sociopathic behavior
>>738334875lol
"beat the game as a sith it's the best ending
>>738334553go play them again you lazy dorkthey’re aren’t even that long as far as wrpgs go
>>738334938Yoda's advice would have worked if Anakin was a normal Jedi. The Prequel Jedi's problem was their idiot rigidness. Yoda has no idea how to teach someone to let go of attachment after they've already learned to hang on to attachments. And he doesn't even try to alter the training in response, he just tries to force the square peg into Anakin's round hole.
>>738334553do whatever you want
>>738334557Padme could have taken one for the team and let Watto fuck her for a favor.>>738334410She was Palpatine's unwitting caws paw. He went after her for assassination specifically to involve the Jedi and by impetus Anakin gets involved as a kid with mommy issues with a fuckable replacement right there. Then he later encourages Anakin's relationship with Padme despite the age gap and her initial resistance. And then she starts dressing progressively more slutted up prompting Anakin to outright demand she acknowledge his favor. It's suspicious but she's just a ho.
>>738334938>remember that quirked up Muppet in the fart swamp? The one who is silly and hits people with his stick? Yeah he's actually this hyper-stoic retard who thinks showing any emotion is weakness
you guys aren't familiar with kotar abilities are you? insanity and lighting blasts are OP
>>738335339Yo mamma Force Drain's my balls nigga.
>>738335230it was gunray who wanted her dead, not palpatine if anything he would've preferred to keep her alive because she was a useful tool to manipulate anakin withher anti war stance in the republic was ultimately meaningless because the republic already had an army when she was rallying against making one, the cis would've made their move sooner rather than later and the republic would've gone to war either way
>>738334115If this is an actual question anakins mom escaped to uncle owen and aunt beru and became part of the underground railroad on tattooine
>>738335401thanks son. nice to meet you
>>738335339I don’t need more than flurryflurryflurryflurry and maybe a cheeky crit strike
>>738335406cliegg legally purchased shmi from watto, and then later freed herwe don't get a clear timeline on things but from the way watto worded it, she was freed before she got married
>>738335401insanity is the most over powered force ability.
>>738335493>instant mass stunOK
>>738335493you've never used max kotar insanity have you?
>>738335526force storm spam is already busted as shit does it even matter in these games?I just finished kotor 1 spamming force wave the whole time and nothing could even touch me, ended up just bullying Malak into a corner
Based Kreia filtering midwits
>>738335493>force hero>force speed>lightning you down while you cuck runI would whoop your ass lmao you are bad
>>738335612fucking newb. try playing jedi knight academy
Who hates Tusken Raiders more, Anakin Skywalker or Cliegg Lars?
someone help me get through kotor 1, I always get bored halfway through
>>738335614Kreia is the midwit
>>738335526The combat is so ass you really don't even need half of those abilities.
>>738335612insanity, and force storm is hand in hand. Good abilities
>>738335734Missions fat little pussy
>>738335746Cope
>>738335510Thanks bro, my memory was fuzzy on it
>>738335752insanity just fucks everyone so hard. it's the boss you're worried about. get you're lightsaber ready
>>738335778Do you let the Wookie watch?
>>738335845Nope
>>738335746I am with Kreia
I love these games.
>>738335778I still feel bad for having Zaalbarr to strangle Mission to death. I will do a light side run to make up for that.
>>738335778she’s 14
>>738336008out of 10 etc
>>738335909I don't know who came up with star wars Kotor 2.... but they shoud make star wars Kotor 2 the polls!
I miss star wars
>>738335752it’s fun breaking the game in half but yeah once you’ve got your big aoe force power of choice the game is pretty much over.
you retards remember when star wars was actually fun
>>738327052Rakata have been mentioned in Andor so they are canon at least, probably will not be shown ever unless the KOTOR reboot mentions them.
>>738335746You're right and Kreia being the midwit is what gives the game the depth that actual Kreiafags think it has
>>738336269she's a total cunt
>>738336269Youre just assblasted because she filtered you and now your entire life revolves around spite. Should have listened to her advice instead of getting forcecucked like a good sidepiggy
>>738331794I bought it on CDs and finished it in like 2006. I thought it was some janky russian copy off eBay but apparently it really did come in soft sleeve cases.
>>738336212yes
>>738319952>Like how democracy is the best form of governmentLolLmao
>>738334938Literally not accurate at all, Yoda quite literally tells Anakin his mom is in a better place and he mustn’t dwell on her death.Anakin didn’t listen BECAUSE HE IS A RETATD
>>738334786>slimy middle eastern peopleWhat do you think Jews are, exactly?
>>738336958Yoda never tells Anakin anything in relation to his mom. Anakin goes to Yoda because he has visions of Padme dying. Yoda believes he's talking about Obi-Wan possibly dying and hits him with the "deal with it kiddo, people die" because that would work for any other Jedi worrying about their friend dying.
>>738337145One of many types of slimy middle eastern people
>>738337225So Anakin not being completely honest is Yoda’s fault now?Holy shit Anakin apologists are so dumb
>>738337225That doesn’t even really seem to work for most jedi. A padawan’s master getting captured or killed or whatever has got to be the most common reason they turn.
>>738337424Not really, Padawans usually turn if they're on the younger side and they watch their Masters die brutally in front of them. In most cases a Paddie can handle that, especially if they parted on good terms or the Master ordered them to run and live.
>>738337225why would yoda assume he's talking about obi wan and not the young woman he's being extremely horny about is he stupid
>>738337847In the Prequels, he allows a Sith Lord to usurp the Republic and btfo the Jedi Order under his leadership.And then in the OT, his prescribed course of action (training Luke to assassinate Darth Vader) would have doomed the galaxy. Yoda is a turbo retard.
>>738338340>Let's just blame Yoda for doing the best he can in a bad situation instead of acknowledging the good he's doneretard. luke wouldn't like you talking about his master like that.
>>738338340I always hated how attack of the clones tried to make Yoda look like a total badass just for him to go into fucking hiding like a complete bitch after 3 movies of bitch dialogue.
>>738338595It's not like Yoda could solo the entire clone army.
>>738338648Like shit he couldn't. You see his gay little fight with countdouk
>>738338595The Jedi aren't infallible demigods. Thats one thing the prequels get right. Mace Windu is not someone you see as heroic or relatable and hes #2 on the Jedi totem pole.
>>738338595He was too old to do anything about it by that point. He'd just get 2v1'd even if he could solo either, the best play was to train a new generation. Luke falling into his lap and bringing the light of his father back to kill Palps was the silver lining of that plan. Also threadly reminder that fatherly love was the real protagonist of the OT.
Starting to smell like grey jedi fedoralord self-inserters in here.>dood why didn’t yoda just like do literally everything himself, was he stupid???
>>738338340if you want to get technical, yoda only says that luke must confront vader in rotj, in esb he flat out says that luke isn't ready yet it's obi wan that wants luke to kill him, with yoda there is room for alternate interpretations
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>>738333365He was first written as the villain so he was always going to end up that way.
>>738335148They're crpgs tho.
>>738339627your moms a crpg
>>738340029WRPGs are your gothics and tes' in that they are third person rpgs where you press a button and your character swings their weapon or casts a spell and it damages the enemy if you hit them. souls and souls-likes too but it breaks the children's brains because those were made in Japan
>>738330408It's more because he's alive without having a connection to the force, which proves that removing the force, won't kill all life in the universe.
The Legacy comics are some of my favorite parts of Star Wars, Cade is without a doubt one of my favorite Skywalker no joke. I think the whole edgy period actually makes him cooler to me.
>>738340724Why does he look like a white skinned nigger?
>>738341005Nigger twileks picked him up while they were out pirating and looting.
