Remember that time a weapon got nerfed because it made the competitive scene less interesting to watch?
>TF2>competitivethis mindset is what killed the game
>compniggers get tons of fun weapons nerfed>then their compnigger rulesets just ban the weapons anyway
>>738323693Compniggers in any game should be mocked and ridiculed.
>>738323815All I want is>Quick Play>Escape Plan/Equalizer put back together>Every other weapon reverted to pre-MYM status>I guess let the gas passer refill at supply cabinets, but it doesn't really matter>Afterburner finally added>Heavy Update with a new primary >No valve server requirement for Halloween contracts
>>738323693The GRU got buffed what the fuck are you talking about. -20hp is actually usable in combat compated to being marked for death.
>>738323815Yea what do you call a battle between 2 teams again? Sorry you're a tranny who seethes when others play to win rather than join your faggy dance partys.
>find a fun glitch in an offline game that lets you progress faster or get more resources/XP than you're supposed to>gets patched immediately>game has some notable bug that actually hinders the experience>devs do nothing, maybe you'll get a fix a year later
>>738324172>6v6 where only 5/9 classes ever see play>9v9 with one of each, also not what any map was ever designed to hostFuck off. TF2 is designed around 12 v 12 free class choice games.
>>738324412All classes get play in 6s, the specialists only come out when their specialty is a part of the gamestate such as a last point hold. No one wants to run slow and inflexible classes fulltime in a format that rewards speed and flexibility Highlander is cancer. It devolves into a standoff to see which sniper gets an important pick first (either medic, demo, or enemy sniper) while literally everyone else has their thumb up their ass waiting for something to happen.You dont have to play competitive formats if you dont want to. Tryhard pubs exist, as do PUGs.
>>738324162>B-but the e-celebrity said...
>>738324412>12v12Not true. TF2 was designed around 8v8 based on what the default team size is on orange box.
>>738324917That's to accommodate PS360 limitations.
>>738323693Because casual players loved when the heavy and his faggot premade pocket finally died and then got back on the point instantly
>>738324819Prolander where they use their bans on sniper rifle and machania is a great feeling since it means either the faggot sniper player uses something like Huntsman or classic or he fucks off and plays an actuality interactive class
>removed damage penalty>removed mark for death>only downside is that you temporarily have less health. If youre missing health already this downside literally does nothing to youThe only "problem" is that they made the Eviction Notice into Diet GRU
>Heavy gets to midSoldier and Demo mains shit themselves in anger.
>>738325175Valve would never design the game around a player count half the playerbase wouldn't be able to play at launch.
heavy is FUCKING BORING and he deserves his nerfs
>>738323815f2p is what killed the game
Remember that time a weapon got nerfed because of a rumor that turned out not to be true?
>>738325846>Valve would never designwell, not anymore lol
>>738325889Never played shotgun heavy, roamer heavy, or been the anchor heavy that won the day for your team huh?
Changing a game for its competitive community must be the stupidest act imaginable. The competitive community should be formed of people mastering the game as it is, not retards who want to form a gay little clique of fellow retards who beg the game to nerf shit that they ban in their competitive formats anyway. Watching masters of a game and all of its mechanics play at the highest level is fun when they arent sneething cunts who hate the game
>>738326059>shotgun heavyliterally just play pyro or scout or minisentry engineerheavy is FUCKING BORING because his primaries are all FUCKING BORINGfull auto hitscan where you just track aim is codslop, you're not playing this game for this
>tf2 toddlers still in denial that valve is shit at game design
>>738325952This is larping as an oldfagGame would be a fraction of the playerbase w/o f2p
>>738326194Take the rocket jumper pill.You get most of the bulk to win with raw numbers that shotgun heavy has and all the mobility to basically teleport anywhere that you want to fight at.
>Not going melee Heavy
>>738326194He'd be fun if there was literally anything you could do to make a difference in his outputHe's boring because his spread is so wide aim is borderline irrelevant and spinup is so short there's functionally no reason to ever not use the minigunHe's a flesh sentry, every single heavy is identical
>>738323848>>compniggers get tons of fun weapons nerfednever happened because>compnigger rulesets just ban the weapons
>weapon had a unique feature of penetrating multiple enemies>was even mentioned as a loading-screen tip as being intentional for optimal use>said feature was removed as it "was a bug"Never forget.
>weapon* gets nerfed because comp sniper mains bitched about it
>>738323815remove compfagsbring back quickplay>>738324172>>738324819fuck off, compfags
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>>738327253>unnerf the bison>fuck that up too>now has one pixel hitbox
>>738324819>Tryhard pubs existtf2 is at its best when both teams are having an aneurysm trying to win. I miss when people actually played 2fort like that.
>>738327401Prenerf base jumper let you reach scout speed by just pressing spacebar and then airstrafing, no rocket jump required.The amount of memoryholing how good this thing actually was is muddled by people who dont know how to move in source games AND valves own patch notes regarding the nerf being plain wrong
>>738327253Wasn't the thing that was nerfed its ability to penetrate the same player multiple times (ie when they backpedalled)?That was also """intended""", and later """fixed"""
>>738323693>also nerfed the Eviction Notice at the same time, which no one ever complained aboutTf2 devs had such bizarre balance decisions sometimes
>>738325971what rumor
>>738327610Valve already listed its weakness all the way back in 2014.It's called bullets.
>>738327876>Valve told you how to counter something after they playtested it for a month at best, their word is gospel.If there's a type of retard i dislike the most, it's the one who thinks the dev can do no wrong.
>>738328025>it's the one who thinks the dev can do no wrong.But I am complaining.It got nerfed, remember?
>>738328130>>because comp sniper mains bitched about itfacetious troglodyte
>>738327253I only use it for its looks, but I've landed a few kills with it after the nerf tho it is more out of luck than anything, I can see it passing through targets and it doesn't register.
>>738327852that max sprint BFB scout outran his hitbox
>>738327253I can't believe comptrannies got the bison nerfed.............
>>738327253
>>738325971probably was partially true because there was a longstanding hitbox desync bug that affected every class at the time and the faster you're moving the more significant the desync is.
>>738328251My strange bison has over 1 thousand confirmed kills.Ive had the most success pairing it with the direct hit since it puts medium classes into near lethal range the most consistently
>>738328875I'm at 200, that's still too low, my RL has 30k and CM5K has 5k and reserve shooter 4k, there's a huge discrepance between those, it's cool that you know how to aim it but that doesn't make it any less difficult to land shots.
>>738323693>competitive>TF2
>>738329076My advice is to only take it out for pure spam or at close-ish range to followup a DH rocketThe slow laser speed makes it basically unusable at mid range the way youd use a shotgun.It is funny to see pyros try to reflect the bison though.
Name one weapon that was nerfed due to comp players because there isn’t one
>>738329572The vita saw
>>738327253And the reason for that "nerf"? Some jewtube nigger found a lopsided ramp on one map and started abusing it by stacking six million bison lasers on it, leading to instakill for anything that walked over it. You don't hate e-celebs enough.
>>738329569Ah yeah that's how I use it the most, shoot a few bison lasers then a plasma rocket, they never see it coming
>play stock launcher/shotgun soldier>literally never been nerfed since that one ancient patch that lowered your ammo reserve from unlimited to "I need to jump to an ammo pack every 5 minutes">just use whatever melee is good or funny at the momentlife good
>>738331621The most stupid kills Ive gotten were on engineers>disable his sentry/dispenser and light him on fire>bison penetrates through his buildings and tickles him to death>beep beep boop, maggotMy go to halloween/moon loadout too
Reminder that GRU was added to the game in the first place because of valve trying to balance for competitive tf2.Valve were trying to shoehorn heavy into 6s at the expense of the balance of normal games. And it took the very competitive scene they were trying to pander to banning the thing for them to realise they were making a fucking mistake.
Bring back release ambassador
>>738331905>he wants headshots that deal less damage than bodyshotsWhy the fuck would you want release ambassador?
>>738332025The gun was broken and didn't miss as long as you aimed in the general direction of someone, it was the most fun I had in tf2
Comp TF2 is literally the best* its ever been thanks to the crossbow making pushes way faster and less risky, people were not using the GRU before. Comp fags don't give a shit about nerfs because valve is shit at balance and they can just ban shit they don't like.*It's still dead so that doesn't matter.
>Mad Milk and Jarate virtually untouched their entire existenceOh nooo mad milk isnt giving me 60% heal only 50% wooow what a nerf
>>73833220875% heal on hit is a disgusting amount of lifesteal.Even if it were nerfed down to 50% instead of the 60% it actually got, it'd be absurdly strong because scout is just always strong (unless a retard is behind the wheel)
>>738332208>give up your ranged damage to charge up 750 damage or wait 60 seconds to apply the same dinky afterburn you get from your flamethrower>spawn and get a free buff banner every 20 seconds in exchange for the SMG you don't usewhat did valve mean by this
>>738332321Wait until an eceleb makes a video about mad milk next everybody will realize how busted it is finallyIve won fights i should have lost especially vs heavy
>>738332751The exact same item is a lot stronger depending on the class its on, mostly due to opportunity cost or being better suited to capitalize on something.That said, the gas passer is insultingly useless in normal play and bonkers strong in mvm for the amount of credits it costs to upgrade.
>>738331785I like disabling sentries and watching engies and pyros trying hard to disable the invisible sapper.
>>738333146All good players know how strong lifesteal in a massive radius is. There's a reason compfags banned it since a good use of it can singlehandedly win a team fight (almost more of an advantage as getting a pick).MvM players especially know how strong lifesteal is for sustain.Fact of the matter is that most scouts are abysmal dogshit at the game and cant take advantage of how busted his tools are.
>>738323693Pic unrelated I assume?Surely you must have proof they balanced a single weapon because of compfags and you're not just parroting a meme?
>>738333161>The exact same item is a lot stronger depending on the class its on, mostly due to opportunity cost or being better suited to capitalize on somethingAlso applies to the Sharpened Volcano Fragment.It could be theoretically useful on literally anyone but the class that is already setting everything on fire anyway just by equipping their primary and holding M1.On Pyro it is just completely, utterly worthless and I don't know what they were thinking.
there's a blogpost explaining how they decide what gets buffed or nerfed mainly by having a look at equip rates (which is obviously stupid for its own reasons) and they did that for years and then b4nny visited valve's offices once and that's the point where everyone decided to lose their mindsi dunno man, from where i'm standing poorly thought out nerfs to fun beloved weapons are nearly as old as tf2 itself
>>738334620Before they got the idea of being original, the fragment and sun stick were going to be reskins of the axtinguisher and boston basher.Hell, the sun on a stick we got would have been better on pyro than the fragment was.
>>738327000Tomislav can snipe
>Eternal reward, C&D and enforcer have to live in total hell for no reasonWho the fuck wants to give away all their cloak for a disguise?
>>738335818You dont have to use this combo together, anon.Enforcer is fine for consistent 2 shot kills, and I regularly use cnd with yer. You'll only apply a manual disguise in spawn (costs no cloak) or if youre fully cloaked (doesnt reveal you if you arent moving) or near an ammo kit.
>>738329572Ambassador, retard. Literally because a highlander engineer complained like a faggot
>>738335003Most changes they've done have been shit from the start you're right, people here act as if the compfag boogeyman destroyed their beloved game.
>>738332025NTA but it was pretty cool how it could pierce. Killing two snipers at once with a headshot was a fond gold rush memory. Naturally like everything fun they got rid of it and gave it to faggots playing sniper
>>738335818Enforcer is great on its own if you want to make razorback retards eat shit without a headshot
>>738335973Should be half your cloak especially when youre using it with watches like DR its basically unplayable but nobody uses that knife with it soAs for the enforcer, let it pierce sapper armor on buildings and it would instantly become appealing. Its simply too weak as is.
>>738337347It pierces wrangler armor.You dont need to be close to the engi to make him shit himself over how much effective damage that deals.
>>738338379>It pierces wrangler armor.WhatDid they change it to do that?
>>738325971>playing with BFB and just running around at full tilt only using the boston basher>full pink/lime scout starts raging in chat that I "didn't earn my mobility">just keep smacking him with the bat while spamming the IMGONNAHEADBUTTCHA voicelineGood times.
>>738338905Yeah it pierces all damage resistance, so wrangler, vaccinator, Fists of Steel, Battalions. It's niche but randomly killing a vaccinator medic with a bullet is really funny
>we don't even know anymore, we keep adding random debuffs to this weapon every time we get an email stop using puff and sting already
>>738339571I don’t even remember the last time I saw someone use itWhat purpose does it serve over stock?
>>738339960>press 1, then M2 when you see a rocket coming toward youIt being quick to switch to is still valuable against projectiles, flarepunching is still a thing, axtinguisher may have fallen from grace but it can still kill things.
>>738327000Heavy is the only class in this game who has actually gotten MORE braindead since release.Release heavy had a minigun whose spin and move limitations were significant enough that you learnt to switch to the shotgun when you needed to flexibility.
>>738339571A lot of pyro weapon balancing is a massive display of the stupidity of prioritising weapon balance over class balance.>but they're all using this one weapon! that means it should be nerfed!When you nerf a weak classes best weapon then it becomes a nerf to the already weak class. Don't punish the class for being so desperate to be good that they cling to the best options available to them.
>>738341972even with his brass beast-equivalent spinup times, he didn't have a damage or accuracy ramp that he got during love and war.release heavy didn't have to deal with being an easy target for huntsman headshots or jars, all teleporters were level 1, the payload cart didn't exist, the only advanced mobility that heavy had depended on the syringe gun of all things, and it took an additional 2 years after release for pub scouts to actually get good at playing the class aggressively like the DM monster that he always was.release heavy only had shotgun because TFC heavy had a shotgun like QTF heavy had before that. It's a formality in the loadout but it's really unnecessary because of how strong the minigun's damage output is. You can talk all you want about responsiveness and flexibility but the core skill that heavy players need to develop is gamesense to never be caught without the gun ready to go.It's why the Uber update's Tomislav was a big middle finger to all existing heavy players, as their class became so retard-proof that valve had to actually nerf the poor guy.
>>738339571OG puff and sting was fine and I still don't understand the complaints.t. pyro is in my bottom 3 least played classes
>>738323693I mean to be fair when someone mentions they play competitive TF2 you usually dont take anything they say seriously after that.
>>738335818Eternal Reward is very powerful, what are you on about?
>>738343081the old complaints about axtinguisher were misplaced. the actual target of their ire was the old airblast acting as a stun that robs you of all of your mobility, but the axtinguisher was in the kill feed so clearly that's the problem. If you used axtinguisher with the old backburner (no airblast at all), landing the crit was actually fairly difficult to do.Then when they gutted the axtinguisher in bizarre ways (slower draw speed and only crits from behind?????) people just switched to the reserve shooter for the exact same ez bake combo of airblast stun into a followup, except now it worked at range instead of just at dick-kissing reach.RS didn't belong on pyro, and the old axtinguisher would've been fine if they just stopped making the airblast take your air control away.
>>738346005When I mentioned OG puff and sting I was thinking of Degreaser + Flare Gun + Axtinguisher specifically. I do agree that the reserve shooter did not fit with the class, getting someone in the air with a soldier is harder and makes sense, but having that as a "restriction" on pyro was stupid.
>>738327497Nerfed because sniper mains kept getting one shotted by a single sticky jumper demoman coming out of nowhere at incredible high speeds
>>738346416Fairly sure it was nerfed because of the guaranteed crits when using a shield, not that I'm defending the change.
Comp players just want to play quake, not TF2. Which is fine if that's what you want, and they should be allowed to mod the game how they please, ban whatever they want, and play how they want when in their own servers. But the rest of the game should not be changed because of how a subset of people want to play. Deathrun players don't want deathrun in the official map pool, comp is a separate gamemode and is no different in this case.
>>738331905Fuck release ambassador, give me back pre-nerf ambassador that could crit for full damage from across the map, I always used to counter snipe snipers with that
>>738346416no it was nerfed because clicking the floor to kill a scout that got close to you was unnecessarythe damn thing didn't need the litany of nerfs it got, they went overboard with it as they usually.at the very least it should deal normalized damage regardless of where on the body you hit them, instead of calculating the damage based on how far away from the center of their collision hull it is. They changed that with how grenades and rockets worked ages ago, the caber could at least use that as a general quality of life fix. this would bring it's damage above 125 at all times instead of requiring you to crouch and hit him in the liver
>>738346664You're right, and it would be a fair criticism if Valve had done changes to the game specifically because of comp players.Since that didn't happen though, I don't see how that has to do with anything.
>>738324172Shouldn't you be playing Deadlock instead?
>>738342783I hate the fucking tomislav so Goddamn much it's unreal. Fucks on heavy vs heavy with every other minigun as long as you're not at dick sniffing range, fucks on people being smart and trying to disengage by virtue of it being easier to hit at distance so fleeing enemies die easier, fucks on spy with lolnorevnoise and the way it winds up faster. Fuck that stupid retard proof weapon is don't get why people don't put it in the same tier of gay and lame bullshit as wrangler, diamondback and vaccinator
>>738345741Hello time traveler anon, they got rid of the silent decloak set bonus some years back and in its place you lose cloak faster
Un-nerf the Deadringer you cowards
>>738327457You belong in the grave with the compfags.
>>738324819Sounds like Sniper is the problem to me.
>>738349132Always has been. I still don't understand why the fuck he got razorback
>>738349209Spy has a gun and people used to not entertain people cheating as a legitimate "discourse" about game "balance" (made up bullshit concept)
>>738348717tomislav doesn't triple/quadruple his effective health or give him crits for existing. you know why people don't put them in the same ballpark.
>>738348951To which version? Because original original was fucking AIDs to play against and I say that as a faggot that mains spy. At the absolute most I'd say let it pick up ammo at like a quarter of its normal worth but even that I'm hesitant on, that thing is the only weapon in spy's kit that ever felt unfair aside from maybe current release diamondback
>>738349268>Spy has a gunCool, and I'm talking about a sniper that is playing like he's not a paste eater and is playing with some relative caution near the combo, pyro or sentry. That shit made highlander fucking AIDs on its initial release
>>738349621>ERM, BUT DID YOU EXPECT THAT IN RETARD HYPOTHETICAL LAND THE SNIPER HAS ALL 11 MEMBERS OF THE ENEMY TEAM DEFENDING HIM?Kill yourself
>>738349406A single pyro with airblast could still easily kill an original DR spyGive me the original DR back, I don't care if it was busted
>>738349809Type it without crying next time and i might read all the way through, sped-kun. By the way you're gay and retarded
>>738350174You read it through to get mad about it dumb dumb
>>738349939Not true, if you flicked fast enough to have it proc and drop multiple times and grabbed the ammo before he did he'd literally run out of ammo from the flames and airblast before he could kill you. I know because I had a pyro have a meltdown because of that and then he died to a crocket he couldn't reflect because he was down to trying to melee me. Good times. For me, anyway
>>738350284I saw the all caps and instantly skipped to the kill yourself past the green text, thank you.
>>738350426Well now it's beyond a doubt that you read it considering you're still upset.
>>738350346>Pyro let you get the ammo packSkill issue on his part
>>738350618?
>>738323693too be fair even ignoring compfags the GRU were just the best in slot melee for heavy. no reason NOT to use them. Though I'm not quite sure the changes they gave it was the right move.
We need to buff the Scorch Shot. Its damage is too low.
>>738349939the only way that 2009 pyro was actually capable of dealing with a competent original DR spy would be to pin him to a wall and have a dispenser brought up so he'd never run out of airblast ammo. the classic dead ringer was so busted that you could have written a feign-spam script to constantly have the 90% damage resist active and since the cloak didn't have a drain-on-activate that it has now you'd regen back to max ready to spam the DR again after every tick.at that point you've commit so many resources just to stopping the spy from accomplishing anything that you may as well be dead the whole time.the old DR was cancer because he just wouldn't fucking DIE
>>738351593fuck off
>>738329572the caber.
>>738331896The fucking gall of the revisionism here when 6s niggers genuinely tried to argue that the original GRU would mean literally all games would turn into 3 medics vs 3 heavies because it was "guaranteed uber".
>>738352262no one argued that because at no point in comp TF2's history did anyone ever think that more than 2 of any class was ever acceptableThere's a reason they have class limits of 1 on both Demoman and Medic: because 2007 compfags tried it and it didn't fucking work to make a format that was fun.
did the botters consider the fact that TF2 fans don't need any help killing themselves?
