https://www.gamesradar.com/games/pc-gamers-buy-way-more-games-that-cost-less-than-usd30-at-launch-compared-to-playstation-and-xbox-players-analysts-say-and-its-reshaping-the-pc-market/
>>738347426wow such big realization people buy cheap stuff more than expensive stuff
>consolenigs claim that consoles are cheaper>proceed to pay $80 for $30 gamesbaka fampai
>>738347878I know this obvious to you and I, but this is genuinely surprising to MBA students.
>crying that people aren't CONSUMING
>>738347426I rarely buy games on release day anymore. Need to hold off and wait to see if it contains woke-shit or have been censored in some way. Can't trust game companies anymore.
Indie games are taking over the PC market, yeah.
>>738347426PC keeps on winning. Love platformers and metroidvania games? 90% of them don't get released on console.
>>738347426Yeah, I pay $10-$20 for games I actually want to play on PC, sometimes less. Skill issue.
>>738347426All this tells me is that Sony needs to stop making nothing but AAA slop and actually invest in more AA or even lower budget games. There's always going to be a place for games like GOW or TLOU but that's literally all they fucking make these days.
>>738347426>buy random $30 survival craft slop in early access>get 80 hours out of it>more highs than lows>buy $70 aaa sloppy shop made by 90% indians and 10% people that want to kill themselves>it's the worst piece of shit i've ever played>somehow runs the same on a 2060 and a 5080>looks muddy because dlss is doing all the "optimization">14 dlc packs announces>company goes bankruptonly gotta fall for that one twice before pattern recognition protects you.
>more people buy stuff when it's affordablehorrible news to hear, how grim
>>738350721You can blame Jim Ryan for that. Dude's gone now, and maybe Sony can heal in time. Hermen Hulst is still there though and he's almost as much of a fuckwit.
>sell 1 game at 80 dollars>sell 2 games at 30 dollarseven with half the sales, the more expensive game made more money. what these STUPID fucking people who price their games at 80 dollars fail to realize is that the game that sells twice as many copies does is remain in public consciousness longer and word of mouth is the best way to sell your game. you will have more profit long term from a cheaper game. it is also why piracy is good for the industry, even if someone doesn't have the means (or desire) to pay for the game, they can still play it and spread the word about it to people who WILL pay for it. games are cultural artifacts and if the wider population cannot enjoy the experience they will quickly become forgotten artifacts.
>This is why Sony stopped making PC portssony never confirmed this, btw
>>738347426>Steam is literally the 3rd worlder platform full of jeets, chinks and gooks>they're too broke to afford $70 games and can only afford $30 games because that's their year's salaryYeah makes sense to me.
>>738347426that's a very weird way to say that people prefer indie games now
>>738351208awful bait
>>738347426Maybe because the 60 (70) buck games take a decade to come out nowadays.
>>738351265That's how I read it too. Consoleniggers suck up AAA slop, PC gamers buy indie gems
>>738351208>steam>jeetshttps://store.steampowered.com/stats/content/you need a computer to use steam, jeets only have cellphones, even argentina, a failed state, has more traffic than india on steam.
Sim games and strategy are what I like to play, fps is also more enjoyable on pc
>>738351945Solid proof that indians dont care about video games because they're too poor and retarded and yet there's mass hysteria about them.
>>738347426>reshaping the PC marketIf that means less AAA slop for me to sift through then I'm all for it.
>>738352048they certainly are present on online forums, just not really that common on video game related ones. The most vile thirdies you get here are SEA monkeys and spics
>friendslop and roguelikes at ~$15 with fun gameplay sells more units than a $70 shitty moviegaemStop the presses....
>>738347426Consoletards are conditioned into buying full-priced. On PC you have a much bigger library with a shit ton of old games that cost pennies and you can also pirate.
>>738347426This is just a false Concord was free and and released on pc. This is just a narrative they are making up to cope about the real reason that they will never admit.Gaming journalism lying as usual. If you fall for this, this is a good chance for you to realize you are retarded.
For 30 euros, I have real purchasing power in terms of video games, considering playtime and fun. I can literally buy hundreds of hours of fun if I look at the deals/key sites for that price. For 80 euros on PlayStation, I'd get a vaguely interactive movie lasting 5-15 hours, and it would be more boring than anything else. My last purchase was the three Etrian Odyssey games and No More Heroes 3; I got them for 4 euros on a key site.
It's really just as simple as there being almost no 60 dollar games worth buying in 2026Maybe 1 or 2 games a year that I might consider paying that price for tops
I've probably bought several games for under $20 in the last few years that were more appealing to me than any game I've seen marketed at me for $70 in the last 5 or so years. Granted, AAA was already falling off for me back in 2010 so it's nothing new, but the audacity never fails to shock me just a little.
>>738347426>PC gamers buylol no, and that's the real problem
>>738347426We've been saying it all along.
>>738352910In the time you wrote this, gaben bought another yatch
I think the last time I brought full price was WotR and that was because I wanted early access.
>>738347426Don't forget that Capcom sold 90% of what Sony sold with all their ports on PC with Requiem alone. At full price. The problem with Sony is Sony themselves, only people in their cult want to play their garbage.
>>738352961just keeps on goin' up
This was true ten years ago, why make a story about it now?It's been widely accepted knowledge for years that Steam is the main platform for indie games, Nintendo is a distant second and Playstation/Xbox might as well not even exist
>>738347426Yeah, Playstation was way better when it had tons of AA games
>>738353094>Nooooes pc users do not buBANG. Just stop making brown wokeslop you twits
>>738353142Inflation is a meme when wages don't go up, and developing games is getting easier and easier.When this picture was originally made, you had to know about extended memory, VGA registers (including secret undocumented shit), midi interfaces, wave tables, the PIT timer, manual memory allocation, and had to either use dos4GW or had to contend with having only 400KB of memory, because computers were packed with shit.
>>738347878>monkey in charge of reading comprehension About what you would expect.
>>738352496>I got them for 4 euros on a key siteAre those sites really legit? I'm seeing 40 dollar games for a dollar.
>>738347426I wouldn't buy some generic modern AAA title even if it cost $10.
>>738354080If you find it risky, a second account is made within a minute.
>>738354080They are russians committing credit card fraud, but the key works
>>738347426I'm calling bullshit.
>>738347426How come Stellar Blade didn't have this problem?
Based PCbros, fuck AAAshit.
>>738347426>indie games are both cheaper and higher quality than AAA sloppa>people buy it moreSugooooooi
>>738347426more like pc gamers don't buy woke garbage
>>738347878PC gamers would rather by 5 $30 games than 1 $60 game. That's a major fundamental difference than console players. They're not afraid of spending money, they just value individual games less.
>>738355304The thing is, on PC you can do that, you can buy some game from 20 years ago at 95% off. On console, you can't. And unlike some people believe, games aren't automatically better just because they are newer, so the only real incentive to buy new stuff over old stuff is the novelty factor.
>>738350319>90% of them don't get released on console.That's because 90% of them are shit. The ones that make it to console are the good ones. It's a quality filter.
Who would have thought that people who use platforms with thousands of stores, millions of games, and free piracy would be willing to pay less for games? I never would have guessed that.
>>738352275Consoles have a cheap second hand game market, PC doesn't
>>738356206>The ones that make it to console are the good onesIs this the kind of cope you have to make up to feel better about your poor investment in entertainment system?
>>738347426realistically, what % of games that release for consoles are $30 or cheaper?
>>738356106This is pretty untrue honestly. For the past couple years when Steam did its winter sale I compared the prices to console just out of interest going in with the presumption that the sales would be significantly better on PC. Surprisingly there's not much difference. I'm talking like $1-2 difference generally. Arguing PC is better value for money and everything is cheaper is a losing battle nowadays, it's better just arguing that PC is like the Ferrari experience and console is like Skoda. You pay a premium but get a premium experience.
>>738347426>We'd rather shoot ourselves in the foot than eat those sour grapes! GOD DAMN IT WE HATE YOU FOR BEING SO POOR!!!
>>738356339Name 5 good metroidvanias that are exclusive to the steam simulator platform (aka PC)
>>738356384It's cheaper, and you can play your old games without having to buy them again. No need for HD remasters. There's always a way to play them. Even old games that don't work on modern OS' can be played in VirtualBox. And you can emulate all past consoles. There's no conceivable way to argue consoles are superior that isn't rooted in tribalism.
>>738347426>new releases are overpriced for how badly low effort they are>act surprised when people would rather spend $20 on a game they can sink 1k hours into insteadI dont know how it comes as a shock to these retards when its been the case for 10+ years
>>738347426it's telling that PC gamers would rather spend money on lesser games than Sony's slop, LMAO
>>738356384How is it untrue? On PC you can buy games from any generation, and old stuff are indeed heavily discounted all the time.For example, that's RE3R, it's always selling for peanuts, and it's not even that old.
>>738360090>tfw missed Mirror's Edge for 2 bucksit's over
>>738347426And am I supposed to complain that it’s not like that? Nah, fuck youDon’t force us not to buy shit on launch day, besides, we end up with poorly made games, half baked ports, and bugs, especially on PC portsWhy do you expect us to buy that? Have you forgotten about The Last of Us Part 1 and 2 PC ports?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ2emuUoxrIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0IoZxiv1i0Next time, make better ports that actually work on launch day, and maybe we’ll buy more
>>738351208>you NEED to buy GTA at 100 dollars, or else you're a third world jeet gook chinkYou dropped your (((funny little hat.)))
>Sony skips PC because they're not cattle
R* showing pc is a smaller market then even the xbone today really broke pc master race
>>738347426>pc gamers buy shit for 30 and indies while console fags buy sportball and shooters for 70haha
>>738347426PC gaming has already seen the writing on the wall and consumes appropriately, baring some whales and neophytes. Discounts and budget games make up a large percentage of their purchases because they have the options. Why the fuck would you spend $70 on some cinematic Hollywood wankfest that only has 10-20 hours of actual gameplay when you could buy several titles on sale or indies that could get you double to triple that time with the same amount of money?
>>738364838>R* showing pc is a smaller market then even the xbone todayFor casual games that is.
>>738364838No, it showed that people play on fivem and don't pay for their goycattle mtx
>>738347426>Major titles that sell for 70$-80$ at launch are usually super broken asset flips>Games that sell for less than 20$ at launch (lmao, they don't even want to say 20$ for risk of lowering prices across the board) are usually feature complete and functional>>738350974Yes, not only that but it continues to bolster the reputation of the company, so they sell even more of their future games.>>738353142>Tools are free >Knowledge is free >Distribution and production is free>Marketing is free>Audience is several times larger nowJust because retards waste money on consultants and breast milk shenanigans doesn't mean that the price to make games hasn't gone down in the last 30 years
>>738350721nobody buys that stuff. it flops. they made a metroidvania God of War and no one gave a shit
>>738347426Shuhei Yoshida said he didn't evidence of this being Sonys business strategy beyond rumor and speculation. I also don't trust anything Jason Schreier as ever being a reliable source when even his reporting was murky regarding picking up on updates to their SCE online pages. He's not a good journalist despite what many dumb redditors and resetera-sisters may believe.I'm not saying it's not potentially the case but i also don't believe it to be actually the case until we start seeing long enough gaps for their releases not going over to Steam in other words.
>>738347426>buy game that tries to do everything, but it all sucks or is too shallow and the game is $60-80>or buy a game that tries to do just one thing, does it well, and is $5-15It's an easy choice
>>738347426>>738347878>>738347975>NOOOOO!!!! You must buy our shitty overrated AAAA game!!>Don't you dare pay for indy games that don't owe us a console-tax!That said, you shouldn't encourage falling for Steam "impulse purchase" sales and buy games at their normal price to have a healthy market.
>why don't you want to pay $80 + $30 ultimate preorder + $20 season pass + tip for a half-finished buggy AAA mess
>>738350974It made more revenue. But it also cost more to make, so it has way more investment to recoup before it makes any money at all.
>>738347426I wonder how much tax that guy is paying in Australia i highly doubt he is smart enough to hide his money. He definitely got raped during tax time.
yes, IndieGODS are taking over the market over AAAfags. how long has GTA6 been in development now like 15 years? imagine thinking anything good will come out of that long in dev hell.
>>738368125Indie has it's own problems too.They can't make up for the loss of AA industry.Hence it lacks diversity in a lot of areas. They're stuck with them rarely being able to attempt anything above the scope of 5th gen era console games.
sony stopped releasing sony games on pc because everyone could bypass denuvo by typing>sony game full moviein youtube and play the whole game in there for free
>>738360090>>738360514Is there a term or word for this, where the price of something is so frequently discounted and commonly known to do so that it's widely considered the 'real' price
>>738350759>>14 dlc packs announcesYou forgot they are day 1>company goes bankruptOh wait you live in bizarro world, never happen in this one, the captive public have Stockholm syndrome
PC poorfag race
>>738355304>PC gamers>Buy?????
>>738347426you vill buy ze games at full price goycattle
>>738348124But if you put 600 million into a product and video games have an average ROI of 20% then that's a lot of money! More money means morer money!
>>738369239you'd do great at squeenix
>no Day 1 FOMO to encourage sales>people on PC either have already lost interest or are content to wait for a sale>expect those same PC chads to pay for your shit full priceRorumao
>>738368868Only really became possible with digital (meaning nigh-zero cost) distribution of software, and Steam was the store that made its name as the place with stupidly massive discounts twice a year. The only "real world" equivalent that is even remotely close is food produce in rural areas (just give cabbages out to your neighbors or they'll rot otherwise), or perhaps "permanently on sale" deceptive marketing tactic that is not even legal in some places.So you have an opportunity of naming the occurrence yourself, like as a thesis for your business school or some shit.
>>738347426decades of shitty ports will do that to a platform
>>738368463Quite the opposite.Indy game now easily reach what we called "AA" games.And it has a ridiculous variety of games, while also sometime specializing on doing AAA game, except with those-features better.Don't be confused by the inevitable copycat which happen precisely because a market is flourishing. Sure 99% of the market is crap and you'll only remember 1%. But the problem of AAA(A) games is that out of fear they only do "that one recipe that work" without taking risk.
>>738369621Plenty of big supermarkets do it on loads of shit, I never pay 'full price' for Coke cans for instance, both the big chains here swap weekly between boxes of 24 or 30 being like 40% off
>>738347426>People would rather spend less money on games that respect their time more, over games that cost more and respect their time lessWow, that's really weird. Why is that the case?
>>738370454imho it's just a plain wrong framework to work inyou gotta be an oblivious moron a single level ahead of a normalnigger to think it's "indie VS AAA" nowadays (or was ever) because of direct-to-steam deluge and a single sony moviegame shooter a year, because that's how out-of-the-loop chumps operate that only ever learn of things due to overwhelming notoriety (be it dedicated marketing or widespread word of mouth)the market is indeed so vast that it's naive to claim everything that's not published by one of the 4 gigapublishers is independent looking at you supergiant fanboys, or that "AA" was some perfected golden mean rather than the realm of panty fighters or eastern euro gamesit also means that the criticism of "it's all the same shit" is very coherent (if ill-formed) when bringing up endless metroidvanias or friendslop or whatnot on the bottom of the barrel, but the solution is gold-panning to find more unique games and few people are willing to do that
>>738347426I have gotten tremendous value out of many games that only cost $5 that I actually ended up putting many hours into. almost every time I spend more than $30 on a game it ends up being slop that lasts less than 7 hours worth of gameplay. It's not just about being cheap or frugal, there is no reason to spend more money on games that suck balls.
>>738347426>most PS games sell poorly on PC>but for some reason Marathon is one of the few to reach $1MRemind me again why you fags keep doomposting that game? If im Sony, and all my games are selling like shit, except for one, why would i shut it down?
I have not paid $60 for a game in easily 15 years. There is no game that good to justify that price.
>>73834742630 dollars? That's two whole Silksongs.
>>738347426Alll of those are unironically better than average snoy games
>>738347426I have more fun playing 4 20$ indie games than one 80$ ninturd
It makes sense, to me consolefags tend to think less and pay more. They're the ones falling for the scam of "I'll offer you cheaper hardware but now you have to pay a subscription and spend more on games"
>>738350721They need to disband their gaming division, remotely disable all PlayStations and go back to making Walkmans
>>738347878when snoy $70 "games" are walking simulator about strong wahmen, gay shit, and spider man getting raped by a refrigerator while the $15 games give you instant fun, yeah I wonder why people chose the cheaper games
>>738347426>PC gamers buy $30 dollar GAMES>they don't buy $70 dollar MOVIESSimple stuff
>>738370454For one, absolutely delusional that two dudes in a shed (if that's what you call indie) can compare with teams of two dozen that are AA companies. And even then, "indie" means fuck when Dredge with 3 dudes and a tiny budget isn't one because they couldn't be bothered to deal with distribution and marketing while Hollow Knight with infinite funding is, or even something like IO Interactive with millions in yearly revenue becuase they are private company, so by definition, independent.
>>738347426Unironically why should anyone buy a year old game, that's often a poor port, for the same price as console players got a year ago AND at current prices is probably closer to 30 anyway?
I don't get why so many ported games are released on Steam in a buggy state given the PS5/Xbox architecture is 1:1 the same as PC architecture. It's not like there are many proprietary systems and engines that don't run native on PC anymore. Games like FFVII Rebirth are relatively bug free on console but are a mess on PC
I got one of my favourite games for £2 on a Switch eshop sale and it's sequel on Steam for £5, again in a sale. I think if publishers are going to heavily discount their shit every 3 months or so it's not surprising.
>>738370454>Indy game now easily reach what we called "AA" games.no they're still not there yet. indie is still majority 2D and 3D games are heavily stylized to make up for the lack of texture/model quality.
>>738350974Games can be profitable without 3 Hr departments, motion capture, voice acting, 2 years marketing campgain prior to game release, DEI council and outsourcing all over the world.But then it wouldn't be a Sony product, am I right fellow Nigger.
According to Newzoo, 40-45% of AAA game sales happen on PC within the first 3 months of the game's launch.So clearly PC gamers also buy full priced games.
>>738374001How does that make sense as a statistic?There are AAA games that are 20 years old or more, you think that stat is accurate for themNaturally as time goes on the percentage will only shrink and shrink
>>738374136??
>>738352310Concord was not free.
>>738356384You compared the wrong games is whyConsole isn't selling you 99% of games from 20 or 30 years ago anon, they're just not there as an option at allI can buy 90s pc games for $4, better than anything made recently, 20x longer, with 20x the contentIt is true steam sales are worse than they used to be, by a huge margin, because shitbag devs are trying for "parity" with consoles now and wont actually commit to real discounts and pricing like they did 15 years ago. You can check steamdb and see that their "sales" now are not their highest ever discounts, they stopped doing that and are trying to scam people. Easy example I saw, disgaea 1 pc was, historically, like £2.99 on sale. It's on sale just recently, they're tried to sell it for £7.99.But the point is there are still plenty of games that do sell at the same rock bottom prices if you actually look for real games and don't just check "what price is steam selling the console slop at"
>>738373070>spider man getting raped by a refrigeratorIs this real?
>>738374539There are many other sites besides Steam to buy Steam keys from https://isthereanydeal.com/
>>738347426Why should I play 70$ for shit games like God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc. when I can play games like Mohrta, Nine Sols, Stardew Valley, Little Witch Nobeta, etc.?
>>738353142Inflation and money is not real. It's made up like every other religion.
>>738347878not only that. the cheaper games are much better than the corpo shit.
>>738350759>somehow runs the same on a 2060 and a 5080It really do be like this lmao
>>738374693All of those are shit btw. What's not shit? My gachasloppa
>>738347426that's because PC is not a monopoly, like consoles are.on PC, you can just make a game and legally distribute it.good luck trying to make money with a game you created for the playstation without having some kind of deal with sony where they dictate everything, including the price, kekthere's no competition on consoles, they are monopolies
>>738347426>>738347878steamies/pcfags are just poorfags desuit's why sales gabenkike worshiping threads and Denuvo seethe threads are a thing
>>738375751See >>738374001
>>738347426I can't think of another product where "low price, high volume" is more viable as a business strategy. Producing an additional copy is as easy as sending a few gigabytes of data.The videogame industry needs to get rid of its useless/counterproductive employees, positions, and departments so that development is faster and costs less per hour. Those $200M budgets aren't obvious from the games themselves because they're being spent on incompetence, laziness, fool's errands, and corruption.
>>738375751fr fr i always buy every new game that comes out and all microtransactions just to flex on uncs
>>738347426>paying full price for brown butch lesbians and cuck dads in corridorslolPC Chads know better.Valve is the superior platform simply due to the fact that it is a private company.Gabe doesn't answer to Larry Fink, like snoy does.
>>738376742Anyone who knows better doesn't play this garbage at all.Though Snoy sad dad and ugly lesbians walking simulators generally don't do that great on PC. As if you needed any more proof that PC is the master race.
>>738375727Some will argue that Steam is a monopoly because some games can only be purchased through it
>>738370454>And it has a ridiculous variety of gamesThey ain't done nothing in my favorite genre: stealth. Or not enough. So i see it all as limitations with a small amount of people being able to work on something right now.I'd also comment about still no real indie Deus Ex or System Shocks but I'm sure someone will have an answer to some vastly inferior indie version of it. Deus Ex costed somewhere from $5 million to $7 million to make at the time so it does not surprise me that they're still so behind on everything.
How hard is it to understand that I do not like god of war
Here's another big reason: on Steam if you don't like a game you can just easily get a fast refund within 2 hours of playtime. Snoy takes away your right toba easy refund the SECOND you start downloading a game, because by their logic you already used the product you paid for.
>>738367750The way Sonys own fans threated that perfectly fine average metroidvania God of War was quite the sight to behold.The full force of all the hatred of Sony fans always directed at Xbox, Nintendo and PC suddenly laserfocused on this yeah ok spinoff.Yeah 30 bucks is 10 too much but that wasn't worth all that outrage.
>>738373890did you even read the post or did you stop reading at the end of the greentext? i was saying that the game with the lower cost is better and that piracy is a net good, even for the company selling the game. you need cultural impact to sell your game and you won't have that if no one actually plays your game (due to high price or DRM).
>>738352048India is in a completely different bubble of the internet so it makes no real sense why /pol/roaches obsess so hard over them right as they dropped obsessing over the chinese.Literally my only contact with indians is when I look for obscure tech solutions and I get a few youtube videos explaining the thing with multiple solutions step by step. Just had one of those cases yesterday and the guy offered an easy, fast solution.
>>738368186yes, sorry, it made more revenue. but they are more likely to turn a profit if they make the game affordable to people. the justification for the prices being so high because of the cost of development and marketing is ridiculous. stop paying ridiculous licensing fees for third party DRM, stop paying cultural consultants to meddle with your art, stop starting from absolute scratch for every new project despite the new project being the same as the old project. you can pretty easily cut down on costs. you can also sell the game at 50 dollars and have WAY more people be willing to spend on it. don't come down on pirates and more people will play and talk about the game which in turn encourages more people to pay attention to it which in turn means more people will buy it.
>>738347426>>738355304I don't see why I should ever pay full price.
>>738347426make worthwhile games then cunts...I have 2k hours on ark between the original and the remaster and i'll buy the upcoming dlc too.I have 40hours on armored core 6 and 110 in elden ring great games that were worth it.Aside from that the last triple A game i bought was MHw 80hours and those are the only triple A games i've bought at full price in the last 5 years.I'm more likely to buy remasters like ff tactics at this point then i am another squeelnix game.
>>738347426>one company locked their product behind the highest possible security measures the other didn'tJeez real brain teaser as to why the store without the valuables locked behind lock and key is closing up shop in the middle of the ghetto.Surely it can't be the neighborhood and it's residents their trying to sell their products? No....
That's because those are the only games being made with passion. "AAA" titles are all corporatized utter slop inspirited with the spite and depression of thousands that worked on it.
>>738367184literal brownoid platform
>>738378246There's a good number of games that sold pretty decently on PC without Denuvo or any other measures.I think the big problem here is that their games only seem to appeal to people who would actually steal physical products
>>738347426its getting even worse because now we get flooded with retrojank ironylols fotm bullshit
>>738352048they only care about scamming people
>>738347426Give me the killzone and resistance games for $19.99 each one (or a MCC edition for $39.99) and I will buy. Give me Horizon, TLOU2 and modern GOW and I won't. Simply as
>>738377882>Literally my only contact with indians is when I look for obscure tech solutions and I get a few youtube videos explaining the thing with multiple solutions step by step.you live blessed and sheltered life
>>738354080yes but caution is needed(as always)many keys come from humble bundles, etcsome are devs selling keys directly without steam taxI bought like dozen cheap keys and every one of them worked
>>738355304>PC gamers would rather by 5 $30 games than 1 $60 game.Maybe the $60 game should release simultaneously on day 1, instead of 5 years later. Then more people would buy it.
>>738356384Publishers caught wind that PC is a major platform and started giving lousy deals just like consoles. The golden era of Steam sales was 2010 to 2018ish.But there are legitimate key sites (like Fanatical or Green Man) that often are significantly cheaper than Steam or consoles.
I'm happy to spend a lot on something that I really like.
>>738356384recently there was Total War sale -80%
>>738378524Yeah I am not an american who needs to shit and fart and piss out in anger lashing out at any random OTHER NATION to not acknowledge how fucking bad your turd world shithole has gotten.>at least I am not a yurocuck!>a-at least I am not a CHINK(oh god they are beating our ass so hard now)>uhhhh AT LEAST I am not a stinky poopoo doodoo shit shit shit indian!!!!Very normal behavior and totally not the deaththroes of a dying empire.
>>738375751>steamies/pcfags are just poorfags This anon gets it. From ONE torrent magent link source each. The Sony's Spiderman franchise had some completed torrent downloads of:553,761 466,343 and 1,050,339.There only counts for people clicking the magnet link from fitgirl.repacks. Direct downloads and other torrent magent locations aren't included. We know people don't double dip torrent magents so the number we see from fitgirls is the LOWEST estimate of people downloading a pirated copy of the game.So from fitgirls magent torrent links ALONE across the spider man franchise was downloaded to completion to an individual person/pc 2,070,443 TIMES.If the game was truly terrible and not worth the asking price people would not have downloaded it in large numbers like this. PC users are the shoplifting minorities of gaming. Now they're mad why the retailer without 24/7 security and loss prevention is closing up shop in their neighborhood There's a reason why Capcom locked their games down and report pc sales are up. It's not an accident they did that.
>>738374693>Horizon Zero Dawnlowest price on steam 12.5$
>>738378774>but the piratedoesn't really mean shit, you don't know how many of these people would've bought the game instead of pirating, chances are the % is extremely low and wouldn't have moved the needle muchthere are only so many games out there that I believe are worth the 60$, and that doesn't mean I need to play them, if i can't crack them, I'm just not touching them, sorry but not really, get fucked
>>738378742I live in bongland, dunny why burgers live free of rent in your mindanyway you are blessed that your only content with jeets come from some YT videos and not from daily contact with themyou should accept that and not shit your pants when somebody point it
>>738356384Steam isn't the only platform on PC, you know. In console, the only other option than the official store/physical is jailbreaking your console. So if it's not available in there, you're shit out of luck. And as stated, there's decades worth of old games that work on modern PCs, sometimes with some tweaking.
>>738347426I'm sure it's not because sony games are terribleif bethesda released elder scrolls 7 tomorrow for 79.99 USD it'd sell
>>738347426>release pc port years later>still day one pricing>wah wah wah this is why pc players dont buy it
>>738378774>steamies bitch about denuvo endlessly>one company doesn't include it or any DRM>steamies chimp out about the exact same company requiring a free account login to their game they made and published on pc to the point they reversed the decision>as a thanks for listening to their demands and not including the dreadful and evil drm denuvo...They illegally download your flagship franchise games millions of times to completion.If I was Sony I'd go tell you monkeys to get fucked as well.
>>738378883Clearly not enough because Sony is scaling back porting shit to pc because you apes do nothing but steal shit. The "oh the possible potential consumer" is a fucking farce. The games are old so people can watch gameplay of it to see what it entails on top of that there's a generous steam refund policy.The pirates are NOT going to purchase your game later. They stole the liquor and and they drank it. Instead of investing lord knows how much into drm/security for the possibility of Jamal buying the liquor instead clearly wasn't worth the hassle.This piracy is Negligible in regards to monetary narrative is overplayed by you theives. There's a reason why Bandai ADDED denuvo to their new games a couple of years back. There's a reason why Capcom is able to be profitable on PC and it has something with them having denuvo on every release. Even Sega is using it.There's no surprise why Sony who didn't use it is saying the pc market isn't working out for them. They even waited to see if those "I'll buy the game on sale if I enjoyed what I pirated" Unicorns showed up.The new generation of 3rd world poorfags who pirate are simply looking to get free shit. Those fitgirl numbers show the real face of pc gaming.
>>738352048they don't care about video games because that's a hobby and they don't have free time between two jobs and sleeping in a 12 jeet roomthey care a lot about getting jobs
>>738378246>>738379421You are literally screencapping different articles all spamming the same Jason Schreier schizophrenia as a source (he's an old jew so schizophrenia is kicking in)
>>738373279how many two dozen people sized aa dev teams made a game that sold more than like mewgenics for example?it's super easy for a single dev to beat 14 devs in that 1 dev's game idea is just more fun to playsame reason why e33 shit on aaa devs just smaller
>more and more stores look like pic related in your neighborhood>any good business that try and trust people and not lock everything down are going out of business due to the fact there's more theives than legitimate honest customersFunny how minorities and a certain subsection of pc users lack personal insight to see that maybe they're the fucking problem in a situation.
>>738379584https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/He you go brownie straight from the source.You people also can't fucking pretend that a game being pirated MILLIONS of times is healthy for a business other than fucking denuvo.If Sony did have that on those games and converted 50% of them (just from fitgirl's torrent links and just for the spider man franchise) they would have sold an extra million copies.You people love to pretend that denuvo has a positive coefficient with converting some pirates to paying customers. Yet having no drm doesnt do shit except make your game easily acceptable to 3rd world poorfags.
>>738379862I'm not going to pay full price for 5 years old PS5 "exclusive" on PC, and I doubt many people do either. If they were snoyfans, why didn't they play it on PS5?
>>738379640>mewgenics is an average solo dev projectThen here's your average game developed by a dozen people.
>>738375751>>738378774>>738379054>steamies
>>738379640>just have a fun idea!Idea-guy cope
>>738379862>https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/where does it say they are retreating from PC? also you once again screencapped an article that has the same Jason Schreier schizophrenia as a source >He you go dude you're a fucking nigger lmao
>>738378774>sell your product on the storefront whoose founder said "piracy is a service issue">don't implement measurements to prevent piracy of your game because you're using the service that should curb that possibility>game gets pirated millions of times and sales numbers are in the toilet specifically on that storefrontTragic borderline ironic as well. Gabe Newell's statement must have been valid when PC was mostly white men from first world countries. Maybe there's a reason why he has never attempted to cast Denuvo out from the steam store and go full DRM free like GoG. He knows who the modern PC is.
>>738379862>He you go brownie straight from the source.Not that anon. Sony have never officially confirmed anywhere that they have ceased the development of their ports to PC. Everything Shrierer reported on was mere speculation and a lot of guesswork. Potential schizophrenia and nothing concrete that they ever retreated.It's something that can only been known by being monitored over time in frequency of announcements.
>>738380229>ignoring the sales data and piracy numbers that supports the idea that pulling out from the PC market is a feasible way to goIf Sony stopped porting shit it would come to no one's surprise.You can tell when a company is ready to shut down a location like Target, CVS because they upped security measures and the revenue isn't increasing and other stores in less shit areas don't have these issues.You think when they see those torrent download numbers of their games and the sales numbers of said games on PC that they're satisfied with that ratio?Fucking bandai put denuvo on god damn super robot wars Y. Companies also saw the piracy to sales ratio of their titles and went running to denuvo to help. And guess what they still keep it on their games because it fucking works.Capcom is the shining example of that.But no keep seething about not having Sony directly state their leaving when the fucking writing is on the wall
>>738354080The only problem I ever had was getting 2 key for the same Zwei game, bought the 2 of them but got twice the same, had a refund the same day so who care
>>738347426most of the games sold under that price is multiplatform and why wouldnt I buy those games on PC if its the machine with the most performance?
>>738355304Also I can still play my old games, that game I bought on steam 15 years ago still work, I can still download itI can't do that on ps5, can't play the ps3 game I bought in 2011
>>738380365Interesting take, falls apart once you acknowledge good games without DRM don't suffer from this problem on PC.
>>738355304>PC gamers would rather buy 5 $30 games than 1 $60 gameYes. Because that's a better deal.Price is not an indicator of quality. Certainly not when it comes to vidya. Chances are each of those 5 $30 games will be better than the $60 one.
No one still has retorted that Sony reports low pc sales while clearly there's high demand to steal their product via piracy and certified proof of millions of completed downloads. Yet at the same time Capcom announces PC sales growing and there's been no way to steal their products via piracy for the past few years. (the hypervisor shit is a late edition)Funny how this simple situation says exactly what's going on with the modern PC market.Fucking retards like to pretend to be retarded about basic economics and business.
>>738380365tbf spiderman is one of those games I would pirate and if it sucked not buy itAAA has lost blind purchase priviledge and its no secret publishers sometimes pay content creators to wear rose tinted glasses in their video so if there is no demo the only option is pirate before you buy, I have pirated games before too but I promise you the good ones I bought on steam and the bad ones were off my PC in under an hour.so yes service issue give me the demo
I’m a self proclaimed PC gamer and I only buy games for $20 or less. If a game doesn’t go on sale for $20 or less, then I simply don’t play it. I’m not a poorfag, I just don’t believe in games not costing $20 or less. Sorry game publishers.
>>738380656Here's an idea, don't try to sell mediocre games at (more than) full price 5+ years after their release. Or keep pretending you don't know why only a certain subsection of games seems to suffer from not selling well, your choice.
>>738347426and nobody cared.
>8-12 hours long movie games>3 years after initial release>Ask 80 euroFuck sony
>>738347426>people with large libraries aren't buying expensive games on launcht.- the people who wanted us to all go digital
>>738351208fr fr no cap they crashin' out cuz they aint got no rizz got no flex
>>738380826Those games are outliers like expedition 33. However for every game that sells well without drm on pc. There's 7 more that do have a form of drm such as always online shit like tf2, csgo, arc raiders, etc those games are popular because they're online games of course but they cannot be pirated so it's a form of DRM.Look at new games that peaked over a million concurrent users on steam in the past 2 years. For every silksong (once in a decade game release btw) and expedition 33 (smash hit from an indie devs first game attempt (again one in a few years phenomenon).There's Wukong, MH wilds, and even games that didn't have DRM on release like elden ring which did great on PC sales wise their own publisher starting adding denuvo to all their tiltes after a couple of years.You can't pretend these actions are flukes with zero reason behind them. And at the end of the protecting your product from being accessed for free in full without proper compensation for it is not a taboo.Most steam users don't give a shit about denuvo because as Confucius sayOnly a thief gets upset when you protect your valuables.
>>738380656>ignoring the sales data>You can tell >You think when >Fucking bandai hey that's cool but where does it say they are retreating from PC? if you don't answer this in 10 minutes your mother will get bone cancer
It's funny how as I got older I realized 50 bucks was too expensive yet the industry decided the opposite.
>>738347878Jewish neo-hires who grew up in families earning 100k+ are completely out of touch with how prices feel to normal people, this is why $70 games feel acceptable to them.
Port Saros to pc you double niggers at sony
>>738381001News flash Jamal (probably Pedro) just because you think a product is not worth the asking price doesn't mean you have free moral authority to steal it.And if it really is a price to value proposition you'd see certain drm games SKY ROCKET concurrent users during sales. Turns out the true value was getting it for free.
>>738381372That post didn't mention piracy at all
>>738380854most people who pirate that shit have no ability to buy or pay for it in first placeeither they don't have credit card or money or leave in 3rd world shithole where price of game equal few weeks of food or solid % of monthly payor simply they don't think that product is worth the price and will not pay full for itin short they would not buy, nor pay it(at last for the regular price)all of it was shown in that EU study about piracy
>>738350721>>738367750Nobody is going to get excited for products that they don't have faith in, and only the most braindead people could have faith in the Hollywood machine at this point.Focusing on things like scale, monetization models, or genres when the issue is that your company is full of people who don't take their trade seriously and who hate your customers is like obsessively adjusting the doors, windows, etc. in your house because you don't want to admit that the foundation is warped.
>>738367750>they made a metroidvania God of War and no one gave a shithuhnever even heard of that
>>738347426Pricing should match the quality of a game. If you're producing movie games, then it should be costing movie ticket prices.
>>738380826>yes that movie was pirated and watched by millions of people because it was badFucking retard. If the game was bad there wouldn't have been 2 million browns downloading it from fitgirl.You can't have it both ways. Right answer is do what most big publishers are doing. Lock the game with drm so irregardless if your game is received good or bad people aren't able to access it for free.It works, that's why they do it. No one wants to be like Sony in the pc market. That's why they pay for denuvo.
>>738381372It is a price to value proposition. Always has been, and always will be. All independent data shows as much.
>>738381435>most people who pirate that shit have no ability to buy or pay for it in first placeWrong.
>>738381372>News flash JamalYou're doing an awful lot of shit talking only to defend a company that justified basketball American behavior.
>>738381425Pirates main defense is "game isn't worth the asking price"However you feel about it Sony lost more sales from piracy than people not thinking the game is with its full retail price.Just go look at ghost of tshisuma's numbers on fitgirl. Sony's games are popular enough to be pirated millions of times but those people jump through hoops saying shit justify why they pirated instead of just saying Iike free shit.
>>738356384True. The steam sales are very comparable to Sony's sales. Probably Xbox too but I can't confirm. The sales are on old games but Sony has steep sales on old games all the time. Steam being cheap is just marketing. PC is only cheaper because you can get free games.
>>738381641who used to pirate most?>youths, students, poor and 3rdiesyou think that guy who pirated 30 games per month and have no money would suddenly buy it if it have denuvo?
>>738381773>Pirates main defense is "game isn't worth the asking price"Correct, and it's true. Thanks for playing.
>>738381372>News flash Jamal (probably Pedro) just because you think a product is not worth the asking price doesn't mean you have free moral authority to steal it.not him but I have moral authority to refuse to buy it>Turns out the true value was getting it for free.maybe that is what the specific game is worth for most people who play it
>>738347426>pc gamers refuse to buy overpriced trash>sony pulls out of the pc market because of low salesIt's not often a company openly admits their product is garbage like this.
>>738381773What copeYoutube is a bigger enemy to the sales figures of a modern Sony game than piracy is
The true mask off moment for pirates is that if Sony stops porting their games. If there's a mass outcry in the pc gaming community bitching at Sony.Then it's just those millions of people who pirated spider man throwing a fit they can't get free Sony games anymore
>>738378657>But there are legitimate key sites (like Fanatical or Green Man) that often are significantly cheaper than Steam or consoles.I wonder how does that work? Do the devs give away keys at a cheaper price for those sites to boost up the player numbers? Couldn't they just lower the price on distribution sites? Are they afraid people wouldn't then buy those games at full price?>check the LEGENDARY bundle on fanatical>Frostpunk 2, the Alters, Rogue Trader for 50pln each>normal price way above 100pln
>>738382194then they stopthere are plenty of games on PC
>>738382010>Spiderman's Playstation 4/5 sales are in the tens of millions>most Sony first party games sell a few million on their platformYou do know there's a youtube app on Playstation right? Funny how helldivers is one of the biggest selling Sony game on steam. And it happens to be the one you can't fucking pirate. Really gets the ol noggin jogging. Inb4 it was 40 bucks of course it sold well. Ok then show me the steam chart of ANY Playstation game and the astronomical jump in player count the moment it went to on sale for under 40 bucks.. I'll wait.
>>738382194Why would only pirates be upset at no more Sony games coming to PC? Obviously all the people who want to buy and play them legitimately would be upset>>738382414Yeah Helldivers is multiplayer, its not a movie game you can just watch an LP of and feel like you missed out on nothing
>>738347426I don't foresee the Hollywood machine saving itself. They don't have another 15 years to figure out that people are really and truly done with the ethos of Hollywood and that every single person on staff who looks down on the customers and/or the product is a serious liability. They can't just put pen to paper and make it so that the reason why everything that they release is a flop is because they released it on PC. Even if the taxpayer is forced to pay to keep them afloat (basically guaranteed, unfortunately), once annoyance, anger, and schadenfreude progresses into apathy, it's extremely hard to get people's attention back.
The audacity of Sony to launch their games on PC without DRM is commendable.Like leaving your car unlocked in the ghetto. Now it's sitting on 4 cinder blocks and it's radio is gone. Now everyone knows what not to do. But hey you can't say Sony didn't have faith in the PC gamers. No publisher that big is every going to release a drm free game on PC ever again. They also saw with the hypervisor bypass explosion that it was never about the principle of denuvo running causing performance issues or whatever. They just wanted free shit.
>>738382510When a target closes due to too many thefts. No sane person is upset at target.Actual Sony fans on pc either have a ps5 already to get the games day 1 of release or would completely understand why Sony would stop porting games. Because it's not profitable and again not Sony's fault because the games DO sell just not on PC. Their fans would understand and buy a Playstation to keep playing the games they like. Exclusives are a main reason why consoles sale. Any GTA fan already has a console for GTA's release.
>>738368125but I don't like pixel graphic gay slop about depression and being queer
Has Sony just have never thought of "Hey, this game clearly does not target me and I'll play stuff that interests me!" about PC customers? You're also making them pay full price for games that are years old by now.
>>738355304This holds true most of the time, except for phenomenal titles like BG3, Persona mainline games and such. Those have no trouble being sold at full price because not only do they have publicity but also are good games.
>>738382830You keep making comparisons to theft of physical goods, porting an already fully-developed game to a digital PC storefront should cost fuck-all and then piracy is literally impossible to tell apart from someone just not interacting with your game at all
>>738382740Every time this picture is posted it's always for something retarded that has nothing to do with survivorship bias by a retard that clearly understand nothing both about probabilities and survivorship bias but believe it's a magic word somehow.>A coin flip is 50/50 chance>survivorship_bias.png>Only 5% of players finished this game>survivorship_bias.png>13% commits 50%>survivorship_bias.png>You are twice as likely>survivorship_bias.pngThe retard literally think it's a magic word about proba
>>738383010>phenomenal titles>>738383010>BG3
>>738377882jeet hate is a meme by and for mixed race zoomers that are too young to experience the internet's golden days where it was 90% educated white nerd making edgy jokes about niggers.I don't give a shit about that shithole country. Poo in Loo /designated shitting steet was the first and last time India was ever culturally relevant for the lulz. Anything "muh jeet" is just mutt zoomers and actual niggers punching even further down the hierachy because they want to impress their swarthy wignat Mexican friend
>>738381773I still don't understand how "lost sales from piracy" are calculated.
>>738383057No, you fucking faggot. We've got a retarded dickhead calling PC gamers pirates because his precious sony games aren't selling as well as he thinks they deserve; whereas they're actually not selling because nobody truly wants them!
>>738383787You're called pirates because of your actions. >>738378774Stupid ass.
>>738383954If those games had been worth paying for, they would have purchased them, nigger. I bought Stellar Blade for PC. I will not play Spider Man even at a 100% discount.
>>738381372>is not worth the asking price doesn't mean you have free moral authority to steal it.I won't "steal" sony it's not even worth to pirate itI already have dozens of good games to play
>>738347878Why do blacks pogfish?
If I get less than 1 euro/1 hour of game, I won't buy your gameSee, I bought evenicle on steam last week for 25, I'm already 30 hours and I'm only on chapter 4 on 7For sony movies games it's more 10 euro/1 hour of content, their games aren't that good, it's random slop
Most obvious paid shill in recent memory. At least he's putting some effort for his meager paycheck.
>>738384316>Most obvious paid shill in recent memory.It's likely Greg Miller and Colin Moriarty making the rounds again. Because if they're not artificially bloating Sonys review scores they're talking about how PC gaming is evil. Or i don't know that pathetic tripfag known as Moose or the last shill account i remember was that twitter fag @theAP99. It's hard to keep track of all the snoys aside from that pedophile community manager.
>>738381773If I download a pirated copy of a game hundreds of thousands of times does the company lose millions?
>>738356106>On console, you can't.This isn't really true anymore. You can find plenty of decent games for under 30 dollars after a year or two. If anything, Steam has eased off of such deep discounts during sales outside of a handful of designated titles in an effort to get consumers to value software again. Sale prices across platforms a pretty standardized at this point, how deep the discounts get depends more on the publisher rather than the platform.
>>738381372>>738381773Nog-brain, I wouldn't take your shit games for free.Source: I haven't pirated a single one of them.
>>738378656This tbqh, you can't roll up with late ports and expect people to pay day one prices.
>>738383010lmao, parasocial worms are so sad.
>>738385576I fucking wish.
Maybr Sony should make game instead of DEI/Woke cuck ideology games
>>738347426do they even put into account people who buy used games on consoles in which case they don't make money at all? I bought only one game new on release back in ps4 days, rest was used except one from ps store which was on steep discount
>>738376986Yeah, but those people say that because they want to hurt Steam, not because they believe it.
>>738386315No one buys 1st party sony movies period. Their numbers are by far and large bundle fraud.
>>738374587in spider man 2, peter's block face sugar mommy saves him by pushing him away from venom's attack, but she uses too much of her woman strength and makes him crash against a fridge, making said fridge fall on top of him and completely immobilizing him
>>738347426total sony death lmao
>>738347426Why would I pay $80 to play "games" made by normgroids that hates gamers' guts to listen lecture about how men are the real monsters?
>>738383116It's unmatched in the past 10 years despite whatever memes you might spout.
>>738386916You don't even play games you literal cocksucker.
>>738386315I'd guess not, since those sales are pretty hard to track.
>>738371892competitive shooters sell like hotcakes on PC if the gunplay is good and destiny 2 was always praised for how good it felt to shoot the guns in that game.
>>738381812The difference here is that PC has access to all old games. On console, you don't, just a few ports. And PSN discounts are never on the same level as Steam for old stuff, you'll never pay $2 for some decade old AAA, actually you won't even pay that for these low effort games strapped to an emulator.
>>738371169>>738373279It's not indy vs AAA because one can afford risk the other cannot, the one can afford content the other cannot.The quality of game did improve to a level we would call "AA" before.If only because Digital store allow coders to not have to worry about advertising/publishing cost easily worth 30%, some BIG GAME are said to spend 50% in advertising.An as a result, small developers can actually make games that threaten big AAA studio, light a fire under their ass, telling them "it's time to innovate">the criticism of "it's all the same shit" is very coherent (if ill-formed) when bringing up endless metroidvanias or friendslopNo disagreement. Still, 90% of games have always been shit & copycat (before it was only the big studio trying to copy each others features).What is important is that you get more of the 10% that worthwhile or at least tiny niches made just for you.>>738377130>They ain't done nothing in my favorite genre: stealth.To be fair, this problem is worth a thread by itself because it's not simple to do a "pure stealth" game.By nature stealth is about NOT INTERACTING with the game world, or at least the NPC. So you are better integrating stealth aspect as part of another game, or making games that feel more like puzzle/parkour.Many "Deus Ex" mechanics are now common in many games, and I got tired of the trope of having man-sized aeration tunnel everywhere I need them.>>738373652>heavily stylized to make up for the lack of texture/model quality.Doing better with less sound like exactly what we want to encourage.Big studio don't do that anymore because "generic = safe", and recently if they make any stylistic choices they get mocked or called reddit/woke/whatever.
>woe is me>we didn't get enough money for our grooming gang>that's it you fucking ingrates we're pulling the plug
>>738347426Capcom outsold the entire catalog Sony put on Steam with 1 (one) game. Sony thought people cared about their slop outside their walled garden, well they actually don't.Should've ported Bloodborne if they wanted the cash.
>>738353142Nope, the deal was $20.
>>738382194I was in full support of Sony when they started porting to PC, but then they completely betrayed this by only releasing their gayest pozslop PS4 era trash from western devs. Now maybe hoping for a PS1 or 2 classics collection was too optimistic but not even Last Guardian? Not even Demon's Souls demake so I can actually compare it to real DeS on RPCS3? I won't notice a difference at all once they stop. Sony is worthless.
>>738382740Analogy need to be explained.Both Snoy or PCfag can interpret it in their favor.
>>738347426In a sane world you'd think maybe the suits would realize the mediocre sales is an indictment on the quality of their games as many non-affiliated multiplats do just fine. But that's overestimating human nature.
>>738388487Suits aren't human though
>>738348124WTF to they teach in MBA schools that their graduates are so powerful yet so out of touch with reality?
>>738347426I WANT SMALLER GAMESMADE CHEAPERWITH WORSE GRAPHICSBY PEOPLE WHO WORK LESS HARDFOR MORE MONEYNO I'M NOT JOKING
>>738388164>Should've ported Bloodborne if they wanted the cash.They tried, Bluepoint pitched a remaster/remake for BB but Miyazaki immediately told them to fuck off after seeing how they bastardized Demon's Souls.
>>738388420>no Bloodborne >no Demon's Souls>no real GoW>no SotC, Ico or LG>no Killzone>no Gravity Rush>no Ape Escape >no Gran Turismo>no Infamous Just a bunch of movie slop and that mediocre SSD tech demo Ratchet and Clank. Fuck Sony.
>>738388647At least decomped PC ports are in full swing now.
>>738388675It needed nothing but a 60fps patch. Fuck Bluepoint too, glad they are gone.
>>738367865Schreier built his reputation entirely on anonymous insider leaks, which was always dubious but also juicy (which is what people tend to really care about). Everything else he's done exposes him as the untrustworthy shitbag he's always been, and pretty much no one paying attention holds him in any kind of regard anymore.
>>738388487Pragmata outsold Marathon and now it's unironically over for AAA
>>738369213>Can't afford games Flexing being poor?
>>738388647Monkey pawned
>>738388694And it's not even just being shitty to PC because I don't think those titles are ported or made backcompat on PS5 either. PS3 has tons of remaster packs for their biggest franchises from PS2. Sony just completely lost their priorities halfway into the PS4 generation.
>>738388817I don't get why people bother listening to this retard anymore when his hit rate is like 60%
>>738388632Nepotism, and an overreliance on KPIs
>>738388958A lot of these are on PS4/PS5 already, or have a few titles there.
>>738355304>PC gamers would rather by 5 $30 games than 1 $60 gameAnon my Steam library is probably thousands of dollars worth of $5 deals I've never played. I maybe spent $600 last console cycle.
>>738347426How fucking dare they buy games that are affordable.
>>738381372>pirate game 1 million times>game costs $80>have stolen 80,000,000 from company>it instantly collapsesFools dancing in the palm of my hand.
>>738387461You are such an underageb& little faggot it's unreal.
>>738379421>When he pirates:/>When I pirate>:( Not you but half of /v/ is hypocritical as fuck, actual subhumans
>>738350759TRVTHNVKE
>>738347426>console game after 5 years: $40-60>PC game after 5 years: $30, on sale for $5
>>738389223And now you're going into ERP. How one dimensional can you raiding faggots be.
>>738388817What this anon said. >>738389037Jason has more often been wrong than right. All Sony did was remove crossbuy logos from their backend. Which had never been used for anything yet and this moron called that journalism.That's the supposed level of "journalism" we're dealing with here. If he had more to report on than this article would have never been so barebones in information. Perhaps there's a chance that he is right but there is also no evidence to support it.
>>738389354Some Jap devs have gotten super gay about price lately. I can't remember the last time Dark Souls 3 was below $60 on steam.
>>738364625Can confirm.t. had my mba paid for by my company
It's not complicated, just release the game on PC at the same time, or if you release it later, make it cheaper in an edition with all the DLC.
Should the death penalty or life imprisonment be enforced for piracy?
>>738389698key to the city
>>738347426PC focused players love friendslop
>>738390183When I was a kid I thought that meant you were such a cool and good guy that you could walk into any building in the city because you were so trustworthy.
>>738389502Ds3 has had lots of -50% sales lately. The real problem is that souls games used to have much deeper discounts before Elden Ring came out, but after that bamco decided that 50% was the deepest discount they would offer, call it the Elden Ring tax.
>>738388926Good thing God of War was always just a poor man's Devil May Cry and I have literally never cared about it.
>>738388420Sony only wants the modern audiences' money, they don't care about our cash.
>>738389118>NepotismIf they had connections they wouldn't need an MBA, they'd just be given a cushy job. Did you mean 'networking'?>KPIs Prioritizing numbers over humans, that's certainly got to be part of the problem.
>>738389502Meanwhile Capcom selling PS4 era RE for like 3 bucks
>>738374827thisit's a value / price evaluationand both the value and price of the AAA games are wrong
>>7383895022 weeks ago lolFor some reason FromSoft doesn't discount DS3 as much as they used to since Elden Ring released.
>>738347426>We're better goys than you, steamie!!!
>>738391218But DS2 just hit a all time low during the same sale
>>738388694thisI'm simply not interested in the slop they ported and I'd have bought more than half of this list.
>>738388647This is such a retarded take, that's precisely how you get these sloppy remasters.I absolutely don't want these people "working less hard for more money". Lower budgets? Smaller games? Sure, not everything needs to be a Rockstar game. With worse graphics? That just means they'll use some shit like Unreal and use presets.It's perfectly possible to make a good looking AA with a decent budget by talent people who care. They were still a thing during PS3/360 era.
>>738392102we just need more astro botsfor sony specifically, they just need to stop wasting their money on californian studios
>>738390345Oh you're right. Still, 10 year old games shouldn't be $60 base.
>>738388647>BY PEOPLE WHO WORK LESS HARDwestern devs are not working hard lmaothey are all tech illiterate nepo trannies, offloading work to some mumbai jeet while tthey dilate in company provided LA dilation station >FOR MORE MONEYwestern games are starting to be more expensive than burj khalifa they have bloated budgets and they don't break even anymore
>>738347426>Schedule 1, Peak and RepoVidya is so dead. Kill indie devs
>>738392274Wait until your discover grocery stores do the same shit, that's why half the shit is always on sale, yeah I hate it too, but it does help increase sales.At least Capcom does it more often, look at this shit lol>>738360090
>>738353068The only time I've ever bought early-access was on discount. Release-day was full-price.
>buying games months/years after release for full priceno . also no game is worth the full price anymore at release anyway
>>738392737I never understood the same for or even more for early access for digital stuff. In the past it made sense, you'd often get real, physical bonuses, and a full game that would be 100% the same as everyone else would. Now with digital stuff? You get a broken game most of the time and maybe some useless shit like a soundtrack or some retarded skin (that won't be exclusive for long). If you pay more, you are just being scammed.
>>738368463Why should anyone give a shit about trying to replicate newer console generation in terms of graphics?If a game is fun, it stays fun. While there are a lot of copycats at every level in the industry, the indie space has the most amount of experimental and niche appeal games that rarely ever ask for more than 20 bucks, compare to AAAA which is exclusively the realm of design-by-committee to make the safest most intellectually-boring copycat games designed for retards imaginable that'll be 120 USD.
>>738368868reference price or anchor price, depends on what you mean exactly
>>738347426So why doesn't Sony work on getting more smaller scale games so It's not just releasing one big game every decade?
>>738347426maybe if they made better games instead of focusing on visuals. most of those expensive games don't even look fun. what did you expect when you've been ignoring your customers? that they'd still buy no matter what you made?
>>738367184consolefags are the literal slop shiteaters
>>738396195for all the claims of not wanting to be western or PC related, what they secretly really want to be seems to be Timmy without the remote chewing
>>738369621Furniture shops have been famous for this bullshit. Everything is always -40%.
>>738347426>ports California slop no one cares about>PCfags don't buywowmeanwhile look up how much capcom just made with requiem on PC alone
>>738350104there have also been a few high profile cases like no man's sky and fallout 76 where if you bought on release you got the shittiest shit to ever shit but if you waited a few years you got a decent game
>>738347426I'd buy every game on day one if they cost $30. Now I just don't buy games. Which is better business?
>>738347426I wouldn't be upset if crimeslop like Schedule I wasn't part of that "movement." Now it's just the same subversive shit but by a smaller studio. Wait, what am I saying? It's been that way since Undertale...
my steam account is 20 years old and the most expensive game i've ever bought on it was 55€, i will never buy one of those overpriced games on launch
>>738375751not my problem
>>73835314248 bucks for a strong AA game like e33 is more than reasonable.
>>738347426funny way of saying no one wants to buy snoyslop at full price because it's fucking trash.
>>738404361that store asset flip is not worth 30 bux
>>738347426People always said console prices were subsidized by game prices, why is this news now?
>>738377130>They ain't done nothing in my favorite genre: stealthoh my lucky stars, a negro on /v/
Reminder that sony considered a port selling 750k in a single month a flop
>>738382898then you will get nothing and be happy
>>738368125>That said, you shouldn't encourage falling for Steam "impulse purchase" sales and buy games at their normal price to have a healthy market.nice try jew
>>738347426>Sony will die in your lifetime feels good.
>>738380656>Fucking bandai put denuvo on god damn super robot wars YThey just removed Denuvo from SRW Y in the latest update that came with the new expansion.
>>738368125/thread
>>738347426Well is what monkey island said, never pay more than 29,99 for a game
>>738352213remasters and old games too, which is why zoomers are abandoning AAA and leaving to millenials and corpo shills like snoys and blizzdrones
>>738388817it was confirmed that fo4 had to go through a rewrite thanks to that jackass leaking the game, plus he also proven to be on snoy and blizzard's pockets for years.
>>738401267Yeah, games are being released in piss poor condition these days. It's starting to get rare to see games on release day that isn't full of bugs.I no longer buy games from Capcom on release, because they always release a better version later on.>Buy Devil May Cry 3>Devil May Cryt 3 Special Edition gets released>Buy Dragon's Dogma>Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen gets releasedAnd these are just a few examples. But this has pretty much become the norm for this company. It's just better to hold off and pick up the complete edition, that is the full game + DLC, later down the road.
>>738407174If you don't buy on impulse, you pay the same amount you can afford.Your choice to buy a game you didn't really want but was cheap, instead of choosing better something you know you'll like.
>>738388817I think it's political give and take with Schreier. Gay communist devs give him insider info, Schreier uses that stuff to gain credibility and then uses that cedibility to push his gay communist ideology into gaming, thos closing the circle.
>>738412519Or you can just add what you want to play to your wishlist and wait for the sale and pay $5 instead of $40 for a decade old game. If people are retarded enough to go on a impulse buying spree, it's not my problem, actually they benefit me since I will be able to buy discounted games more often.
>price goes up>quality goes downNNNOOOOOOoooooUUUUUooouuuOOOOOOO WHY IS PRODUCT NOT SELLING?????????!!!!
>>738347426Steam Gamers in particular want bite sized little store-brand tier shits at bite size prices instead of name brand games like Kirby Air Riders.
>>738404715Yeah, you're right. At first I thought it was one of my favorite games of all time, but then I found out that some of the rocks and some of the furniture in the silly climbing easter-egg were store bought, so it's garbage now. I'm a human and this is how I think.
>>738382201Usually it's publishers selling a lot of keys at a sizeable discount to the key sites.
>>738347426>people would rather buy cheap than expensive...yeah no shit, what kind of frontal-lob-lacking moron needs "analysts" to tell them this lmaohey business boi I got another one free of charge>people would rather buy good gamesShocking I know, but jut trust me on this one.
>>738413490unless it's indie or from an official reseller, it isn'tthey are often from different regions or credit card fraud
>>738369213I almost never pirate games anymore even though I easily could. If a game good enough to warrant supporting the developer, it's not worth playing in the first place.
Crimson desert was like £40 on steam and if a game with that much content can be that cheap then £70 games would need almost double the content since its almost double the price. £70 games are usually just games with brand tax or from companies who have ridiculously mismanaged studios.
>>738413831agree on the price but crimson desert content is pure slop with no depth, it has everything but it does nothing well
>>738353338>>738355202sold better on PS5 :)
>>738374001>>738375925>According to Newzoooh wow that's fucking useless
>>738369213How do you think video game market analysts should advise game developers to price their games for what pirates are willing to pay?
>>738414402>3.7m on PS5, 2.7m on PC>1+ year gap between releasesmeh
>>738368463>Hence it lacks diversity in a lot of areas. They're stuck with them rarely being able to attempt anything above the scope of 5th gen era console games.It's honestly pretty decent once you start looking at games made by larger teams.The solo dev stuff 100% tends to be limited in scope, but even that can get pretty expansive.Just look at shit like abiotic factor, the game itself may not be perfect (balance is fucked and the difficulty spike in the last few sections is bullshit) but it's still a pretty expansive game with a hand made world from start to finish.
>>738347426>people on PS5 have nothing to play except Last of Us II Remaster III Revision VII, and so are willing to spend $80 on a game to justify their $700 console purchase>people on PC have lots of options and probably bought the PC for other reasons, meaning they don't need to spend $80 on the newest fourth releases of the same game on Steam>Sony isn't going to release games on Steam anymore since they figured out they can't scam PC players as much as their own captive audienceAre there any good Sony games on PC anyway? The only thing that even comes to mind as a possibility is Horizon Zero Dawn, and that includes spyware telemetry that requires an internet connection to run. Yes, even on the GOG version.
>>738378865They better be paying me that and not asking me to shell it out if they want me to play it
>>738417068>Are there any good Sony games on PC anyway?Nah not really, at least I've never encountered any. Really the only games I was really interested in were those Gravity Rush titles which they didn't port. Maybe the epin meme which is Bloodborne since I like From's stuff usually, but it looks like BB doesn't have sorcs / incants / pyros or any real equivalents so my enthusiasm is severely dampened.
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>>738417068>The only thing that even comes to mind as a possibility is Horizon Zero Dawnlol good onebut the only decent ones are probably Ratchet & Clank or that bike zombie one
>>738347426They're 20 years behind mobile gaming, as always
>>738417983>Ratchet & Clank>only R&C game on Steam is Rift ApartIs that one even good? I know the earlier PS2 games were fun and when they started getting PS3 releases, the series had gone downhill. I don't know if the most recent game was back to the good titles or if the whole series was still shit.
>>738392102>I absolutely don't want these people "working less hard for more money".gawd forbid mr shekelstein gets a slightly smaller slice of the pie
>>738347426>brightest minds of the gaming industry discover people wish to spend less moneyamazing
>>738347426PC Master Race is actually PC poverty race. Gee, it's like they've been coping all this time and are still in denial.
>>738417554>it looks like BB doesn't have sorcs / incants / pyros or any real equivalentsIt sort of does- in the form of a few of the hunters' tools- but they consume bullets instead of mana which leaves them in a very weird spot because it's usually better to shoot the gun instead of firing off a HT.
>>738347426>just make good games>no
>>738347426Only suckers pay full price. It is a buyer's market. That's the industry's problem for oversaturing the market. It is a sign of capitalism at work. Lot of competition and choice. The value of games is at an all-time low and I don't know how console goys stomach paying 70 dollars plus tip for some AAA slop. I can't remember the last time I paid full price for any game and I buy games on launch regularly. CO:E33 I paid 34 dollars in pre-order for from GMG (steam keys from official resellers aren't subject to Valve's 30% reseller cut)f as an example.
>>738418236It's mediocre as fuck, don't bother unless you are a fan.
>>738421336Alright, thanks for the warning.
>>738418252AAA devs get paid Silicon Valley wages and do a horrible job. They can go fuck themselves for what I care.
>>738418252The real Shekelstein is the publisher, and they make money no matter what. The studio increasing budgets will just leave less on the table for the game itself. Games were better when developers worked crunch hours for mediocre industry salaries, fueled only by passion. You won’t find my sympathy for modern developers.
>>738347426Because AAAshit has been terrible for the most part for the past ten yearsIf I buy four indie games for the same price, chances are I'll have more fun per dollar
I spent all my money on my GPU. I can't afford expensive games on top of that.
I would buy more games but I don't like em much anymore due to the game makers being unrepentant turbo faggots all the time. I refuse to pay more than $40 unless it's something legendary like GTA6 and even then..
>>738388632Not shit, they just take their money and give them a fancy piece of toilet paper to hang on their wall.
>>738382201For official key resellers (Humble Bundle, Fanatical, GreenManGaming, etc.) it's my understanding that the devs generate some wholesale amount of keys and sell them to the key seller so they get an upfront amount of money and then the key seller decides what to price them as.For grey market resellers (G2A, CDkeys, and whatever CDkeys rebranded to) it's usually something people legitimately acquired and they just never used (Humble Bundle codes in particular since they never expired until a few years ago), people who stole credit cards buy gifted copies and then offload them to turn them into hard cash they can use (These keys then get taken from your account and unless you bought insurance from the key site you get no refund), or people who got keys from a company to review their game and never did.
>>738347426>its-reshaping-the-pc-marketIt's been the PC market all along.Major developers who have been infested with Californian socialists sprung from the rise of Silicon Valley deluded themselves into thinking they could dictate demand and force you to pay through the nose for something you don't want.Giving people what they want, for the lowest price possible leading to a feeling of high value for money has always been the recipe for business success and it still continues to be.
>>738383010>phenomenal titles like BG3kys
>>738368463This is only a problem if the only indie games you are looking for are depressionslop sidescrollers.
>>738378246Why dontu gaijin raiku wahkingu simrurata?
>>738347426This is retarded and misses the forest for the trees. There are 50,000 games on Steam. Why would you ever pay a lot of money for one?
>>738347426>sony realized they can't charge actual humans $80 for their goyslop faggotrynews @12
>>738350759>only gotta fall for that one twice before pattern recognition protects youtell that to the DarksoulsBad crowd
>>738347426>it's another "oh no who cares" episode
>>738347426>PC gamers buy more varied experiences>Console players buy spectacleconsoles are for casuals, more at 11
>>738430097>great news about people not being mindless consoomers >who cares>do I fit in yet? do I look cool? retard
