Did games really use to launch finished or is this just historical revisionism?
>>738353085>Twitter screencap>zoomer hereKill yourself.
>>738353085mostly revisionism some games were rushed to launch and were shipped in a basically unfinished state, and some games had some awful bugs that had to be patched or resold as a revision.But the standard was games being sold as a finished product, whereas today you get an unfinished games with months of "engoodening" patches to finish it
>>738353265At least he's honest. I think we can keep him around.
>>738353085They were basically 99% donetwatter bitchboy is just gaslighting You had updates but game you got day 1 was game you got and those updates wereinot bug fixing no fucking testers could ever figure on their own or little balance tweaks Dont forget, you had to go and buy physical thing that had work for all at once since internet and downloading aditional shit was seen as nonsense that it is Shitshow started with WoW
Do twitterfags really post on twitter without breaking TOS so they can spam screencap here?
stop posting screenshots from other websites because you are afraid of confrontation and don’t want to say something to that person yourself
>>738353085take a guess
>>738353085oh no, it is underage and new to 4chan
>>738353085i hate shill revisionismI noticed they do that evey single fucking time they need to shill something now>no no older pokemon games weren't better you have rose tinted glasses>no no older GT games didn't look and run better you have rose tinted glasses>no no older obsidian games weren't better you just have rose tinted glasses
>>738353085depends on the era they're talking about. there was no way to patch a game for a console with no internet access.
>>738354176
Idk. All my ps1, ps2, gamecube, wii, nes, sega, and arcade games I have all played seemd finished to me.
bugs used to be seen as features/easter eggs
>>738354562because they had to bethe fuck you gonna do hotfix patch cartridge or cdCompanies are getting away with murder and fags like twatterfag are doing paid astroturfing
>>738353085Patches existed, but were far less frequent, and primarily only addressed severe issues, over fucking with balance a million times.Larger ‘patches’ usually accompanied expansion packs.
Good games that weren't utter dumpster fires were finished at launch
Most single player games are released in a finished state nowadays too. The issue is overblown.
>>738354557his point is entirely obvious
>>738353085they would have to release the entire game again if there was a critical bug.http://www.fforigins.com/ff1/bugs/index.htmlThey would at least test their games from start to finish. QA testing doesn't exist anymore
>>738354643t. speedrunner
>>738354176>Capcom fleecing their customers since the beginning of video games
>>738353085Slice the throats of twitter and bluesky users.
>>738354850sure is samefag, that you meant by it
>>738353085Lmao what the fuck is this faggot saying?
>>738353085they were more likely to be technically finished and bug-freegames sold on cartridges were notoriously rigorously testedstory or gameplay "finished" is a different matter
>>738353085It depends on what you mean by 'finished', exactly. Old games had weird fucked up shit that would never get patched due to the fact that old consoles weren't networked. However, it usually wasn't shit that would make playing the game impossible. It could still fuck you over though.Like I forget which Seiken Densetsu game it was, but one of the really highly regarded SNES ones. It had a stat that literally did nothing. But you could put points into it when you leveled up.
>>738354176Each one of those games was a finished product though. Fightfags are just stupid enough to buy iterations of a game over and over again. Its the only genre where DLC actually improved things.
Games were feature complete at least. Sometimes bugs slipped through, sometimes really bad ones, but this phenomenon of the most loyal consumer who buys day one, pays the most and plays the second it unlocks having the worst experience is fairly recent.The only thing you'd gain by waiting was a discount on the purchase, nowadays the game itself is better. The Final Fantasy XV I played is a single character game and the party are just there for flavor, riding the car was there for world building and atmosphere, you just watched it auto pilot across the roads. The Final Fantasy XV you can play today has a fully controllable party and you can drive anywhere. Games didn't become different things.
3D game era was full of buggy games. When people speak about bug free finished games it's the 2D era where games were very simple.
>>738353085The games that launched unfinished were the countless shitty games that never sold well and were completely forgotten to history.
>>738355170It was SD 3 with Crit, it straight up does not work because the game's stats are broken. So any buff spells that raise your crit chance actually do literally nothing.
>>738353085You see all those updoots? That's crazy work for a lie on a Wednesday.
>>738353085Games used to come in a box.What was in the box was what you got. If it didn't work, you returned it to a store and got your money back.
>>738353085"AAA" games (they were not called that back then) GENERALLY released finished and polished. I'm talking the big hitters here, not rando games. You know, Mario, Zelda, Warcraft, Spyro, Crash, Halo, etc. They could have some bugs or issues, but noticeably less than today's AAA releases.However, he is correct that people do kind of write off that more games than they remember had some serious issues. This is ESPECIALLY true if you were a PC gamer in the 80s and 90s. I am pretty sure every single Ultimata game launched with game breaking bugs that the company had to laboriously send out patch floppies to people. Everyone talks about how great and genre defining Ultima was, which is true, but it also was the poster child for buggy as fuck but ambitious releases.
>>738355352Are there fan patches for that? I was thinking of doing a playthrough of SD3.
>>738353085Even PC games couldn't count on the user having Internet readily available, and console games couldn't be patched at all. You couldn't expect to get away with releasing a game as an unplayable mess and fixing it with patches.
>>738354971>anon doesn't realize other companies have done the same toowho's gonna tell him?
>>738355170Pre WoW>closed aplha, f&f beta, beta, open beta, 1.00post Wow>marketing meeting, early access or 0.69 public release, alpha, open weekend alpha, 2 years of beta, paid DLC, 3 years of open beta, 0.99, 1.000 and abandon with apology letter to they userbase
I played a supposed 1.0 game release the other day where, as I opened the room after the last boss I beat, I was greeted with a placeholder graphic that said >This boss will be added in a future update! You can tell me games launched buggy, they cut features, etc. But this kind of shit was never in old games.
>>738353085They had one shot at launching. They didn't always launch complete - Wind Waker is a very high profile example of this - but once you put a game out there that was it, it was what it was unless you wanted to do some kind of director's cut rerelease or some shit.
People forget like 1000 times more games get released nowadays.
Boomer here. A game back then at release was equivalent to a game now after about a month of release. Yes, many games today launch buggy and near broken, but it's compensated by the fact that they can be continually updated and improved through updates, while older games couldn't do that, although I suppose it can be nice that you have the same shared experience as everyone else regardless of when/what update you played it on.
>>738355249I do agree with you that it is weird that nowadays games are almost always just objectively at their worst at release and require like 3 major patches + a DLC + a rework of some core systems.Back in the day, waiting meant you could possibly just play with the expansion pack from the get go instead of waiting, or maybe they released an updated version in stores and lowered the price. As you said, it was mostly about price, not waiting for a game to get DLC.>t. Currently still waiting to play Stalker 2 because the game has like 5 promised DLCs + major updates + tax + tip + tariff
>>738355568and yet less and less shit is worth playing.
>>738353085More games were launched finished than not. This guy is a disingenuous faggot
>>738354562but in what state? That one house/island that's empty, That NPC that doesn't say anything, the slow plot that suddenly is sprinting to finish. These are all indicators for cut content and if they had the ability back then they would have sold you it as dlc
>>738353085They didn't release finished but they did release with as much as the devs could put in it rather than purposefully breaking it into chunks so you could pay for the rest of the game as DLC. Some outliers include games like Sonic 3 which released as half a game so they could also release the other half as & Knuckles at full price later to coincide with McDonalds toys.
>>738353085why do people complain about how shit the world is 24/7 but when you talk about how most video games are dogshit now they get all defensive
If a game launched in an incomplete state that was usually it and the company buckled or was relegated to making slop handheld games until they paid off that title's budget (in the case of publisher houses like EA ubisoft thq and the like). But yes, objectively, games launched in a more complete state. Your average game is now gutted RIGHT before gold to strip content out to sell back to the player to try and recoup development costs as they keep ballooning up higher and higher, this is called on disc DLC, it's been a plague since gen 7 but stupid fucking brainless normalfaggot niggers slurped it up like the cattle they are so companies got away with it and people don't see the ridiculousness of a game being launched with planned content (often with names, existing data, assets, and art) being sold separately for a surcharge.I'm sure it happened in circles I'm not familiar with in the past (I guess some expansion packs would fall under this), but it's literally every major release nowadays.
>>738353085Old gamers in this context means those born in the year 2000 and later...
>>738355460Yeah, there's a big bugfix patch. Search CDRom for Trials of Mana instead of Seiken Densetsu and you can find a port of the Switch's official english release with the bugfix hack applied ready to be used in any SNES emulator.
>>738355661That's mainly because you get more experienced and the amount of any wonder to experience in video games gets less and less.
>>738353085No but the glitches in those games were indeed things that got past the devs, while now they deliberately ship an unfinished product to patch later
>>738353085Total historical revisionism. The original Super Mario Bros was completely unplayable before its 4th patch. Video games have always been like this and anyone who claims otherwise is hopelessly blinded by nostalgia.
>>738353085You couldn't update anything other than PC games and even with those there was no guarantee people actually would update(because centralized shit like steam didn't exist, hell for a time you'd actually have to mail in for floppies to get updates), so yes, shit had to be done on release.
>>738355689>That one house/island that's empty, That NPC that doesn't say anything, the slow plot that suddenly is sprinting to finish.Only game I can think of thats retro that does these things is Xenogears which WAS rushed when they used up all the budget. FF7 doesnt have that issue.Dragoon doesnt have that issue.Ape Escape doesnt have that issue.I could go on and on.
>>738354909>They would at least test their games from start to finish
>>738355474Of course, I just had no idea Capcom has been at it for THIS long.I remember they were the first ones to feature day-one on-disc DLC and everyone was outraged back then, but apparently they've been doing this forever.
>>738353085There were no patches so yes, the game you bought was the finished product even if it's development was rushed, didn't include all the content devs originally intended, or had bugs.
>>738355689but they could sell it as dlc, and was called "expansion" back in the dayDiablo 2 LOD brood war warcraft 3 TFT halflife expansions , they could do that but even then, those expansions were 100% ready to ship games without needing constant babysitting.See how grim situation is nowDiablo 2 Resurected got warlock classONE FUCKING CLASS as "dlc" was prices MORE than whole D2:RE was priced.And retarded chimped out and paid.Brood war, complete new game in size of OG game was 50% price of OG Starcraft on day 1
>>738355773That doesn't explain it. I can pick up an older game I've never played or heard about before and it's way more fun than the vast majority of these 1000s of newly released games.
>>738355702it's not just vidya, people are sick of your doomershit
Well, games were much simpler, so it was much easier to release something that didn't need to be fixed after it was released. Like the original Doom was a very impressive game technologically, but only like ten people worked on the game, and like two of those were programmers.
>>738354176In the context of arcades, which is primarily where these games were meant to be played, this isn't really all that bad. The arcade owner foots the bill for a new version, not the players. Anyone who had a home version at the time probably had the only edition available for their console, or wasn't even aware other releases existed
>>738355702These losers see it as a personal attack cause their whole personality revolves around it. They're no better than fags having their personalities be that they are fags
>>738353085Really depends on where you live, most games I played on PAL were pretty much finished. Games like FF7 were stitched together, running on the hopes and dreams of developers and famously had a bug that made mdef completely useless which also made the game better lol
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>>738353085I don't know you but Final Fantasy I-X were ALL complete.
>>738355948Bury your head in the sand and fuck off then
>>738353085Nah, some weren't but this is modern slacker dev cope. People desperately want you to believe it was always this bad to justify decade+ long dev times
>>738355949>games were much simplerThe opposite actually, without readymade mass production engines games were actually much, much harder to make. It's just they were made by people with actual skill instead of jeets and women.
>>738354176All of these editions were old balance patches and didn’t add anything the first edition was intentionally missing.
>>738356009Not the best example when a lot of the later games in that list had updates to the European versions and then rereleased again as a "international" version in Japan with even more content
>>738353265>>738355981samefag
>>738356018>bury your head in the sandyou mean like you are doing?
>>738356090Wasn't that only FF7 and FFX?
>>738355947I gravitate towards old games too, whatever we call soul. But there are a shitload of super fun indie games that definitely have soul.
Another bit of revisionism is that pc ports were better back then.They were ridiculously unstable because hardware configs were very different.
>>738356049>without readymade mass production engines gamesthis was a thing for good while and it was epic>why doom2016 looks and runs 100 times better than my Unity/Unreal slop No clue really
>>738353085They did.Important Note: Presence of a bug or two is not the same as a game being unfinished, it just means something slipped past quality control (assuming zoomers even know what that is given the fucking state of modern game launches).
>>738353085It's historical revisionism Many old games have large chunks straight up cut or missing. Consider Wind Wakers entire back third for example"Finished" is subjective. The fact that things can be released and iterated upon now is a positive, not a negative
>>738355648Yeah, if you really care about a franchise, and you can resist the FOMO, the games you're most excited for are the ones you REALLY shouldn't play day one.It's fucked up, but it's the truth. If you want your first playthrough to be the most special, wait.Exception would be multiplayer games because then witnessing the evolution as you play has a lot more appeal.
>>738356130>N-No uah you're one of THOSE insufferable psueds.
>>738356153What do you mean "another bit"? What's the first bit?
>>738356215and it was fixed with 50kb download that didnt rebalance whole game, made computers explode or installed you a launcher to their new gaming ecosystem along with a crypto miner
>>738356237Cut content =/= unfinished.
>>738356304they are pillpulling like twatter fag nonstop
>>738356253and you're a shill. fuck off
>>738356135Could have sworn 8 and 9 got it too, but I might be wrong>>738356237You don't know how development works and it shows. EVERY game has shit left on the cutting floor. Doesn't make the final product unfinished.
>>738353085Nintendo had some brutal demands back then, such as moving to every spot that the player can move, and recording everything to VHS tapes.It wasn't perfect and there are many games released back then that had several bugs, but in most case none that would stop the "intended path of the game".Also there were less race condition and memory allocation bullshits as video games were mostly single core, asm programmed machines.
>>738355948t. zoomer that missed the golden days and is butthurt
>>738356237>The fact that things can be released and iterated upon now is a positive, not a negativeOn the grounds that a game hits the market in a feature complete state and doesn't pull some Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5 bullshit. People will always find a way to abuse a good thing.
>>738355948>If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all!Look how well that worked for vidya.
>>738356098You wish
>>738356237Disagree. Things can be iterated upon in a sequel full of new ideas. Up until the PS3 era we'd get sequels to AAA games that were a lot more polished and creative in 2 years. Nowadays in 2 years they're still patching the game I already played to give it QoL. Move on already, stop polishing turds, learn with the mistakes and apply to the next project.
>>738353085Occasionally there were revision cartridges released after the launch ones or sometimes they would fix bugs in Greatest Hits or International versions. But I can't recall any of these actually adding substantial content, they were just bugfixes or specific changes like changing the Fire Temple theme in OoT because of butthurt Muslims.
>>738356372boomer actually, i just think whining is not a good use of your time
>>738356009Final Fantasy 6 released with a stat that didn't work and only got fixed in the GBA release
>>738356350>"Doomer" posting is now shillingFucking lmao. As I said, you're a pathetic psued. Reflect on yourself
>>738353085if there's no way to patch it, then it's finished
>>738353085Many games were finished, but some were certainly not. Spyro 3 usually comes to mind. The final hub world and the final boss felt super half-baked
>>738356304What does mean unfinished to you then? Give examples
>>738356578Neither is being on here gramps, tick tock
>>738356605>nowit has always been. you think people throwing massive whining fits is organic?
>>738356304I mean if you play it and it feels less than a whole experience because of cut content, isn't that unfinished?
>>738354176Same company that invented on-disc DLC with SFxT, by the way.
>>738353085Ah yes guy, i remember how Heroes of might and magic 3 wasnt complete at launch and how this Olden Era Early access bullshit is literally same smooth thing like when i went and bought bootlegged CD and just fucking installed it and played complete game that after a while expanded with Armagedons blade, that also just needed to be autoinstalled and played and then SoD to complete it, again just install and play like everyone else.Gayming shills infront of the wall before jews
E.T. is a particularly famous example of an unfinished old game making its way to market, but also an irrationally extreme example. Atari got the product they asked for, which was a prototype by one code monkey hacking away for 5 weeks. And then they shipped it.
>>738356663weird choice to go after me and not the guy who just made fun of you
>>738353085at some point in the mid to late 2000s they really started leaning into massive updates after release. sometimes you'd get a game on launch day and still have to wait half an hour for updates and code revisions to download
>r-retro games released f-feature complete and finished, z-z-zoomie chud!Okay gramps
>>738356873Who said I was a zoomer, you geriatric idiot
>>738356090Just means it released complete multiple times
>>738355927PC games were getting patches all the way back in the 80s.
>>738356884consolefags are not gamers
>>738356009https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_CLnBCgJks
>>738357068Fresh cope just dropped, retro boyos.
>>738356702>Stop noticing bad things, be happy! Sounds more like shilling than>Hey, why is everything worse than before?But you boomers have always been prone to fall for shilling, so of course you wouldn't notice when you're being sold a grift.
>>738356952your speech pattern
>>738353085There's a difference between "Content was cut to make a deadline" and "We'll throw it in some DLC later."
>>738357103nintendo capcom weeberoo acting upyou are nigs on xbox are same trash
>>738356884The statement refers to a time before online patches were a possibility. That game wasn't during that time, disingenuous filth
>>738356876>at some point in the mid to late 2000sWhen internet compatibility became an achievable standard for consoles. Even in the early 00s, that was sort of touch and go. Around, but not standard.
before, devs had to call quits at some point and close it up assuming they'd never get to change anything after releaseover time, the internet became more involved in the process and we started getting patches. Users would need to actively do some work to download and update the gametoday, devs can blatantly keep things open and assume it can be patched after release, users not only don't have to do anything but they also have almost no choice in the matter because the updates are automatically pushed out and installed
>>738356884this game was shit on relentlessly for itnow cyberpunk is praised for having a 2.0 update years after launch
>>738357114sure, whatever SOUNDS more like shilling, don't look into it, don't think about it, keep whining
>>738355689games were easier to make back then so they were easier to finish but also you had a lot more devs going" hey wouldnt it be cool if we added X?" - "totally! do that today!" and then you would have the option to play as an alien or something as an easter egg.
>>738356884Everything that could've gone wrong with this game's development did. I don't know if it's a tragedy or a comedy.
>>738357145>Boomer thinks he even remotely understands speech patterns of generations after himYou faggots truely are self centered dickheads. Can't wait to see your cancerous generation die off in underfunded retirement homes
>>738356009>kills your FF6 run
>>738357208you genuine need to be fucked in retarded wellmudding assnot an inch normalizing degenITS WAS NEVER A NORMthe 3 examples of some the fuck sidelined titles you played as a kid are not the norm the gaslighting is all about
>>738357257Yes yes, keep saying everything is fine, psued. Hope your family doesn't get raped by jamal due to your negligence
>>738353085there was no way for a game not to release in a state that can be considered finished because the only option was physical media. for most games, bugs were not game breaking, and there was no way to patch them out, so any exploits would subsist. nor were games intentionally designed to delay the release of content in favour of producing future DLC-like content.the only exception to this is the n64 which had the capability for expansions, but whether publishers deliberately witheld content to later release as an expansion is doubtful.over time, the industry became more and more commodified, a lot of the big publishers shifted towards corporate centric philosophy where enjoyable experiences is second to capital extraction.
>>738353394what the fuck are you saying you dumb fuck. The standard was finished games. Especially on consoles. There wasn't an AAA game or an exclusive that wasn't already at its maximum. Then with PS3 and onward the slippery slope started slopping and it was over. >whereas today you get an unfinished games with months of "engoodening" patches to finish it>monthsmore like years. Not to mention the most epic move where you make the game, cut of 15 percent and sell it as a DLC, 3 days later
>>738356884And your belief is that because occassionally a game shit the bed like sonic 06 did, the general rule suddenly isn't true anymore?Are you mentally challenged? I have to ask since I don't want to insult someone for something they can't help.
>>738357420i am sure you will prevent the fall of Rome if you keep whining about bread and circuses enough
>>738357447/threadeveryone claiming it was different is just realizing how deep they are getting without even wanting it deep but after years of that they have to defend their doggy position
>game is split in two and sold as different copies because development issues>before call it an all-time classic
>>738354783You can count up to maybe 10 games that were released in the finished state since 2014. One of those is Sekiro.
>>738357456>There wasn't an AAA game or an exclusive that wasn't already at its maximumMmmm akshually i remember that one game i cant even find online as a topic anymore where some turtle had texture glitch on its shell but it was released as complete game so twitter guy is right mkay
>>738357512Good, you admit it's happening.
>>738357456no you fucking nigger, most games ended up having cut content, you can often see most of them with debug modes (yes, even console games, faggot) and a lot of them had very little if any fucking QA done for them, some with bugs that would completely softlock you out of finishing the base game or even some bug rendering stats in some RPG completely useless (like FF6) you're a fucking nigger and you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, yes it's ten times worse now, but that's because now 95% of the high budget games end up like this, when it was only maybe half of them back thennow get bent, faggot
>>738355702Video games are the escapism strategy from the dogshit worldThat said my life has only gotten better, people are dooming way too much
>>738357604are you fucking braindead YOU ARE THE RETARD THAT BOUGHT IT TWICEYOU MADE THE SHIT THEY DO TODAY POSSBLEholy fuck
>>738357657and you admit your whining is pointless.
>>738357512Course this is the boomers response. "Who cares if shits bad, I had my fun, you should be happy like me!"This is why your are despised by ever generation after you, you selfish scum. You and your ilk put the world in this state and have no remorse
>>738357702>if my life personally is good life in general is goodNever thought I'd meet an actual unironic solipsist.
>>738353085Patches and updates were unheard of outside of PC gaming until the late 2000s. PS2, Gamecube, Xbox1 simply didn't use them. Even PC games used them sparingly until well into that period.All discipline went out the window the moment consoles supported online updates. While the 360 supported it, it was the PS3 that was especially egregious and it was Sony who pushed slippage of QA standards most aggressively.
>>738357456I didn't know why you are acting like a nigger when you agree with me. did you stop reading my post before getting to the part about finished games being the standard?
>>738357785i'm not a boomer though
>>738353085The big difference is that instead of endlessly patching the same game, devs back then would at least put in effort to make sure the "unfinished" game was an acceptable experience that felt somewhat complete.Then, provided the original game sold well, they'd made a bigger, badder, better sequel to the original game where they could polish the gameplay and use leftover ideas that they weren't able to use in the first game.A far better model imo, but the kids expect their forever games nowadays and will bitch and moan about "buying the same game twice."
>>738357760You're the one assuming I'm just whining.
>>738357702>im doing fine>i never had taste>i have genuine belief proven time and time again that others know better than me>i just want to escape wife and kids for few hours >i dont care its trash its peacefull dont ruin it for meYap, boomer or even worse Godforbid, GenX
>>738357698Cut content isn't unfinished doofus. Most cut content is cut for good reason, ie having no place to put it in the final game or being unable to get it to work.
>>738354557Kill yourself
>>738357798Probably that faggot boomer itt. Doesn't give a fuck about anything but himself. Got his bag, fuck the world
>>738357849that's what i meant when i said people are sick of "doomershit" - pointless whining. what did you mean?
>>738357885>cut content isn't unfinishedwhat the fuck am I reading, shut the fuck up nigger
>>738357843You said you were to another anon here>>738356578What does a loser gain from lying on the Internet?
>>738357698Cut content is cut content you stupid, mentally retarded moron. It's the most normal thing ever. If it didn't make it to final cut, then it didnt' make it. Just like BUGS you retard. Bugs are a normal thing. It gets past. Lmao braintard
>>738357456old games often got patches, you just didn't realize it because it was never advertised as sucha disk sold at launch was in a different state than the disk sold 8 months laterthe greatest hits cases were the final patch
>>738357924did you just combine doomerism with pointless whining like some doomer
>>738357959i lied
>>738357798No, I just didn't express myself very clearly but I genuinely believe the average person in the west who isn't in a shitty low income neighborhood is living a far better life in many aspects than he did some years agoMedicine keeps getting better, I've not had a blackout in years, AI helps me in my personal pursuits (fitness), I have more free time than ever because stuff like groceries keep getting streamlined, my house costs less for heating because of new heating technology, and more. Those things all affect more people than just me positivelySome people do live a worse life now than some years ago. I'm just saying many people doom and gloom who have no reason to
>>738357959>what does a loser gain from lying on the interneta few laughs at knowing i made a doomer seethe about words i just made up for my own amusement
>>738357962okay niggertard, think about it for more than a second; what is the premise of the discussion?'finished games', what is a finished game?how is star wars outlaws not finished by your definition?how are all the AC games not finished, by your definition?how is MGS5 not finished, by your definition?right, now you realize how fucking retarded you are you fucking monkey
>>738357924Disingenuous, it's obvious you see any negative posting as 'doomer posting' because none of what has been said here can be seen as just pointless whining. There is no background to the posts for you to differentiate what is pointless whining
>>738353265Based
>>738353394Then it’s not revisionism. The standard was a company released a finished product, with the exceptions being your examples. Modernity has conditioned zoomers to expect unfinished, broken and buggy games as the norm and a completely functional game with full content on release to be the exception.
Back then we didn't know any better because the internet wasn't the massive thing it is now, we didn't have gamers, marketers/reviewers and antis arguing over every new release on social media. If someone tried pulling what Sega did with Sonic 3 today, they would get eviscerated by the public.
>>738358054Except you didn't say you were a boomer to me. More psued bullshit
>>738353085everything pre xbox 360 shipped finished in a working state, and only revisions getting pushed out basically without telling anyone would happen, that would barely affect anyones experience with the game. this guy is full of shit and i hate that i'm replying to bait
>Game had three different revisions on US Gamecube ALONE just because bug fixes>People just play the original version because it has more sequence breaks
What people should really focus on is fun unlockables, that shit is entirely dead now. Even indie devs don't have them because they run such tight ships they can't afford anything but the bare essentials of the game. Back in the early days basically every game had fun joke alt costume/vehicle/character or other kinds of random easter eggs and now basically no game does.
>>738358134no, i said that to you. you are the only real person iTT, the rest is me samefagging
>>738357456>There wasn't an AAA game or an exclusive that wasn't already at its maximumResident Evil 4
>>738353085this basically >>738353394If you went to a LAN party (ie: a few dozen people would take their PCs around to someone's house for a weekend) the entire half of the first day was patching everyone's games to be on the same version, cuz some people would be on 1.0, some people would be on some would be on the latest patch and some would be inbetween. It was pretty common for people to still be playing early versions of Diablo 2 well into the 00s when internet became cheap/widespread enough for people to actually be online all the time. Before like 2003, the internet was a place you went out of your way to get to a few times a week/month.
>>738353394>>738353085Final product = finished game, whether it was rushed or not. The most egregiously rushed games either flopped or were so amazing they created a "Greatest Hits" version where they add shit, but you'd have to buy the game....again. However, this was back when people used to trade in physical games so.
>>738354971>gambling company rips off consumers
>>738354176>revisions that the arcade owner (not the costumer) had to buyOMG THIS THIS THIS SO MUCH ZOOMSISTERS OMG THIS!!!!!11!!Zoomers ruined everything including online discourse
>>738358225>Gets called out>Instantly tries to play it off as a le epic jokeGuess we're done here, psued?
>>738358073>how is star wars outlaws not finished by your definition?I don't know because I don't play goyslop but I assume it offers at least 30 different DLC's. >how are all the AC games not finished, by your definition?because they are literally missing story related content that gets sold to you later you stupid retard>how is MGS5 not finishedbecause the story doesn't have an ending lmao. It ends abruptly and then it politely begs you to replay the same missions again. It's not the same as the above examples though but it's still an unfinished game.
Didnt Fallout 3's initial release literally not even launch without crashing when it first came out? I remember ppl having to wait a week for a hotfix to get pirated and shared around.
>>738353085morrowind released on Xbox in a time before patches could be done and it was well received and playable which should tell anyone everything they need to know about the release states back then.
>>738358319>but what aboutit's all cut content bro, therefore the games aren't unfinished!retarded nigger, get off my board
>>738358226Expansions are not the same as being unfinished. RE4 on GC is a finished game.
>>738358075>you see any negative postingnot really, you can have your criticism, rants and complaints. i fucking love ranting. but when every thread devolves into>muh economy muh degradation everything sucksyou are on the same level as a leftist talking about late stage capitalism, might aswell talk to a brick wall
>>738358317>tries to have an epic serious argument in the 4Chin "zoomer here" twittercap threadyes i am laughing at you
>>738358415dude this is not politicsthis is gaslighting for someones profitGaming companies had standards to hold up to.There is non of that today
>>738358415So we should just ignore it while things get factually worse? How long should I ignore this? Untill im on the street sharing a tent?
>>738358482i prefer for there to be less standards and more freedom
>>738353394Every game made before 2010 was shipped completely finished.
>>738358512see>>738357512
Genzenese are honorary millennials. They increasingly adopt and mimic millennial culture.
>>738358663So you don't have an answer
>>738353085That poster should kys
>>738358717I'll happily team up with Zoomers to eradicate boomers and half of gen x
>>738353085It was just different. Games costed nothing and had at most 10 hours of content thanks to hardware restrictions. Of course every single of them was a dream unrealized.
>>738354176>like one game ever does this>"SEEEEEEEEE!"Mario 3 never received any DLC or updates. Ristar never received any DLC or updates...
>>738358781my answer is yes, ignore it
>>738358116I guess it depends on how autistic you are about "finished"it was common for games to have later versions for bugs or balance, but the games were usually fine as is for the first release
>>738358857sign me up>fortniteactually fuck that shit, every gen for itself
Games weren't endemic with feature bloat back then like they are today. They feel unfinished because half the systems are completely pointless and add nothing of value. Instead of a few main things you master you get 20 half-baked and pointless things thrown in your face that feel unrefined because they are.
They had to be finished. There were no mainstream internet, and consoles had no way to connect to it either
>>738358980thats not what is happening today and its not what faggot is revisioningAndost important of it all>when they fixed it they left your game alone
>>738359027Games had revisions and you could mail back your CD/cartridge and receive an updated version
>>738358952>he never heard of super mario left bros
>>738359119so what though? generally a game wasn't so broken at launch that you needed to, and bugs were fun.
Just fucking yesterdayHearthstone forces up patch motherfucking 3.4Everyones phone and everyones CPU is getting cooked by just opening that piece of dogshit>fix in progrees, no ETA day 2Blizzard pre 2000s would be closed for this shit
>>738353085>>738353265
>>738359119for real?nobody knew about that shit in my euro country. we boughted and just stuck with it
>>738358976Fucking cattle
>>738358998We can fight over the scraps once the boomerfags are gone
>>738359248process was more complicated that Gigabyte RMA and in general it wasnt that bad that you had to return itAnd even if it was that bad you would just move to another new game and had thise mofos on your brain blacklist
>>738359273i'm anon, nice to meet
>>738359358Upvoted
The crazy thing is that for each generation, however things are is just " normal"They have no way of knowing how much better (or worse) things were before, nothing to compare current bullshit with. Kids these days think that $1 tasty burgers are a myth
>>738357720That's because back then they cared enough to make incomplete games still fun, now games are incomplete as well as lame and gay.
>>738359549there wasnt "a thing before" of start of gaming in late 20th centuryyou are listening to literal pioneers and learning nothing
>>738353085Depended.Most, yeah.Some, no.Tiny amount, PC destroying or so bad they needed a patch and would never get one...or needed to download one....IN FUCKING 1996
>>738353085"Finished" in this sense means that games were shipped in a final state and no updates could be given because the games weren't online prior to the Xbox 360 / Playstation 3 / Wii era
>>738357818>Patches and updates were unheard of outside of PC gaming until the late 2000s.Please blow out the back of your skull with a shotgun.
>>738354176Honestly early own with competitive fighting this was probably the only way to go. You can't release patches so just re-release the same game with the tweeks and some new content
>>738359412>humor is redditi see why you like doomerism so much
>>738359694so you puffed inte cartrige and insered it in your ass to connect to nintedo servers to patch you dumb fucking niggerOfc you still bought nintendo ofc you bough fixed version even though you got ass fucked with halfbaked shit and you are not proving what, that you are patient 0 of todays situationfucking console retos i swear
>>738353085Until the PS3/360 era yes, there was no expectation of post-launch online updates
>>738359148Left bros fixes what?
>>738355947because when you encounter jank, bad design, or outright bugs and glitches, you tell yourself "ah it's okay, it's old after all"fucking uncs
>>738353085Yes.>>738353394Exceptions are not the rule, fuckwad. They even recalled some games when they fucked up the release.
>>738359939>niggerspeakzippidy
>>738355947how? when i open up a modern game i'm VERY likely to see some new mechanics i have never seen before, a hint of a story and atmosphere. even a game i don't like can be carried by a unique enough artstyle.when i play an old game, let's say on the NES, it's 95% platformers. it gets so fucking stale after a while, and the games all look the same. you can immediately tell a homebrew from a licensed NES game from a single screenshot because all the licensed games have that samey NES stank to it.
>insert PS3 game disc>installing updates (1 out of 19)...reeeeeee
>>738360092what do you uncs say here?'I accept your concession'
>>738359630I'm talking in general, faggot. Btw my first console was a genesis
>>738353085>Did games really use to launch finished or is this just historical revisionism?Revisionism. Mostly from kids who weren't there mind you.Anyway, games released in an incomplete state all the time one of v the most famous examples being Sonic 3
>>738359641Bitch lier never heard the RUMBLE PAK
>>738358952Actually, it did, not even counting the fact that the game obviously had to be translated from Japanese to English. The main difference being that the Revision 1 version cleans up the Toad house dialogue for one of the minigames and calls the "Kuribo's Shoe" a "Goomba's Shoe," but games DID get updates. You just had to buy them again if you wanted the update.>>738359924Left Bros is the original version.
>>738360530
>>738360092just like "nigger", we will keep saying it as long as it keeps working
>>738353394>mostly revisionismDumb zoomer. Even in the 6th gen era games rarely got a patch of your console was hooked up the Internet, and 5th gen and before games were finished. If you wanted a slight revision of a PAL version or whatever you had to go and look for it
>>738358218Modern gamers hate unlockables
>>738359857You. Shotgun. Now.
>>738353085It depends, console games were usually polished to some degree but polished means they suppressed any possible exceptions, so the game runs in any circumstances, even if you swap a disk with a complely different one
>>738360154>buy GTAV for PS3 in late 2010s or early 2020s, I forget>like 40 patches, have to wait an hour>try game>nothing>look it up>you have to let so many patches go through, stop it partway, patch some more before stopping again, bend over backwards, smile and say "I'm Lovin' It!" to your Xbone, pay child support, then kill yourself to get it to workI got it for less than 5 bucks and it was still a ripoff, I'm not doing all that shit.
>>738353085Yep, they did. Also, QA used to be a lot better back in the day, since games didn't have hard drives and internet, it meant that game companies couldn't release their games in an unfinished state, full of bugs etc, or their games wouldn't be imported due to not passing proper QA.Now, ever since the internet, along with hard drives for consoles, game companies will release their games in piss poor condition and with tons of bugs, because there is no reason hold back release dates to iron out all the bugs anymore.>We can just release a patch afterwards. Hah hah hah!And then the game doesn't sell well enough, and they're like.>A fuck spending more money fixing all the bugs. Let's make a sequel instead. Fuck everyone, and their mother, who bought our game. Hah hah hah!
>>738353085Listen to me. Up until 2005 or so, games used to launch finished. Sure, there were tiny patches for minor, almost unnoticeable things, but games were launched finished. Around 2005, developers acquired a new goal which was to be acquired by a larger parent company. Devs thought that all they needed to do was to produce one good game and that was all they needed to get noticed by the big company. At the same time, the people who worked for that developer were thinking the same way. Those workers (coders, modelers, animators, etc) hoped that with experience working on a large successful project that they could move to a bigger company that paid better. At the same time, dev studios started issuing deep and rapid turnovers in their workforce in an effort to find the best and most efficient workers.The workers realized that their idea of moving to a bigger studio was never going to happen for 95% of them, so they decided to milk their current employment for as long as they could. Production slowed way, way down, draining the dev studio of investment funds. Studio execs started cutting workers and ordering a finish-by date or more firings would happen.As a result, products were released unfinished so that the studio could have the benefit of a revenue stream from sales to finance the continuation of the production and to pay off angry investors.That is why small independent studios are best studios and produce the best games with the most soul while big studios produce games that are soulless and feel rushed and disjointed.
>>738358643I love monster hunter tri but I will never pretend it was a finished game.
At least console games still work. On PC you need to fine tune settings, try the game, find out what's wrong after it crashes, play a bit more, find out what's wrong after it crashes again, then when you have everything figured out your computer updates a week later and the controls are remapped and the game crashes on start. Seriously, fuck PC.
>>738353085Mainly because they had no ability to alter the game after release, so yes they're "finished."Plenty of games had revisions to fix bugs. You'll often find differences in game releases from one region to another because they had time to tweak things in between.It's also a lie that western gamers were too soft and japanese gamers were more hardcore. Battletoads, Dynamite Heady and Ecco the Dolphin were made easier for the japanese release because everyone complained they were too damn hard.The reverse is true: a difficult japanese game may have been made easier for the western versions due to feedback from japanese players.
>>738361461wut? when did this happen to you? this sounds like some 2004 shit.
It's really hard to not notice politics in everything at this point. I'm incapable of not immediately thinking in my head that this person is a liberal, because all liberals are obsessed with historical revisionism that explicitly believes nothing has ever been better than it is now.
>>738361608* I just checked and dynamite heady was a japanese game. Fuck.
>>738353085Emulate an old game and judge for yourself.That is how it was released. They weren't getting update patches, except in extremely rare cases.
>>738361608>a difficult japanese game may have been made easier for the western versionsOn the contrary, Working Designs.
>>738354429They have a script
>>738361772>That is how it was released.With 720p upres, geometry jitter toggled off, 2D upscale filter, and save states?
>>738355689>That one house/island that's empty, That NPC that doesn't say anything, the slow plot that suddenly is sprinting to finish.This was not as common as you think.And at any rate, everything has content that doesn't make the final cut. That doesn't mean it's unfinished.Even if you engage in pedantry, it's impossible to ignore that games generally released without crippling bugs that required day one patches, which is a lot more finished than we get now.
>>738353085Been gaming since the mid 80's. Yeah completed was the norm. Didn't mean there wasn't updates or revisions, its just nothing was ever considered 'early access'. That just did not exist beyond beta trials was is nothing like what is considered the norm on Steam. For the longest time, updates and revisions were considered either hardware or bug fixes that slipped through.
>>738361842>With 720p upres, geometry jitter toggled off, 2D upscale filter, and save states?Emulate an old game without crutches for shitters*
>>738361719Rent free
>>738362029Never! AVADA KEDAVRA!
>>738359731>Psued lacks self awareness
>>738353085Updates weren't a thing back then, so common sense is yes the game stayed as they were when released. Game had to be finished to make sales.But there were plenty of shit games.
>>738361981>Steam*every single modern platformEven looking at Nintendo, half of Star Allies didn't release until months after the game came out.
>>738362305>PsuedBrown.
>>738362305>nigger lacks writing skills
>>738362247Avada Catavra*
>>738353394>>738353085Games really used to launch finished. It's a physical requirement, particularly pre internet because there's no effective way to update them. A bunch of the shit for the certification processes for consoles was to make sure the game was working and done.Look up the fuck going gold is for the CD era. And learn what the fuck ROM stands for. It's not just a format to pirate shit from.Pic related. It's vampire savior. Do you fucks understand what it means to update something like this?
>>738362546abra kadabra*
>>738353085our guy already debunked this
Games used to launch with content and basic QoL and you got an update here or there that added or fixed stuff. Now games launch with bare bones content and lacking even the most basic qol and you gotta wait 6+ months for anything of not to be fixed or added.
>>738362574>release a pile of broken games anyway>don't give a shit
>>738353085>zoomer hereI'm a zoomer too retard and I fucking remember the games from PS2/3, even four to an extent wasn't this pathetic until the near end of its cycle.
>>738362709Is this the guy who worked on a programming language for 20 years only to make a Sokoban clone with it?
>>738353085the games that launched unfinished didn't make any moneywell except for Skyrim I guess
>>738353394>>738357456>>738358116>>738358643Revisionist lies. Literally every single game i played before 2010 had bugs in it, several, sometimes gamebreaking. Every single one.
>>738362796Skyrim is a modern game. Games were actually finished before the 360 gen
>>738354176and this image is missing the actual newest version that released as a switch exclusive with 2 new pallet swapswhich I fucking brought for full fucking price for some reason and then they released a big collection for around the same price that included street fighter 2, the money I paid wasn't worth 2 pallete swaps and motion controlsI didn't even really like the fucking game, gimme SNK any day
>>738362709>I haveStopped reading there. Didn't ask, don't care.
>>738354176You have the Japanese and English titles of the same revision multiple times on here. Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo is just the English title of SSF2X: Grand Master Challenge, same for the "Revival" port on GBA
>>738362852"Finished" doesn't mean completely free of bugs
>>738355224>Its the only genre where DLC actually improved things.Monster Hunter
>>738362709*sigh*...
>oot 1.0>entire game>oot 1.1>no more islamic chanting, fixed bug where you could teleport to the credits by shoving the controller up your assSEE SEE IT GOT UPDATED IT WAS UNFINISHEDdo not engage with twitter engagementbaiters
>>738353085No. There's an entire subculture centered around exploiting the many, many bugs and glitches that pretty much every single retro game has, it's called speedrunning
>>738362898OP asked, faggot
>say stupid shit >profit
>>738362574>It's a physical requirementIs it?
>bg3 was the most successful rpg since skyrim>launching their next game in early access
>>738362914That's exactly what it means.
>>738362756Based as fuck honestly>>738362796Bethesda came from PC so they were used to a culture that allowed and celebrated unfinished messes
>>738362940>ww>cut content that is publicly known to be reused in tpBUT IT'S A FINISHED GAME BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE PATCHES
>>738363019Yes? You couldn't just download a patch. If a revision needed to be made that meant an entirely new board needed to be printed and distributed.
>>738362965Who the fuck do you think you're talking to.
>>738353394>that had to be patchedGames didnt get patches without the internet
>get DK64 as a birthday gift>boot it up>fall through the floor in the first hour of game>get Shadows of the Empire next year>same shit happens again
>>738363143I was just taking the opportunity to remind people of the gall some devs have to purposefully and openly release a game without all the completed content in it.
>>738363175>>get DK64 as a birthday gift>>boot it upyou cant do this with new games>get [game] as a birthday gift>boot up console>sign in to download the console update>put game in>download day 1 40gb patch>start game>mash start for 35 seconds to skip all the battle pass and lootbox advertisements
games had cut content spanning more than 30 years due to technology and time restraints. Final Fantasy IV (not the one we know today) actually spun into three different games that resulted in the creation of Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, and Final Fantasy IV (the one we know today). And the Super NIntendo Playstation cut chunks of content that were lost in the process. Chrono Trigger had a lot of stuff changed or scrapped overtime.
>>738363154
>>738363262Okay? And?
>>738354557>jeet doesn't know what "vague" means
>>738363204I'm not really sure how a ps4 game is relevant to that. Obviously a modern game can be released unfinished.
>>738353085pc games didn't, they had shareware which was the equivalent of early accessconsole games were buggy at launch and had patches too
>>738363262It's a shame people don't realize how much has happened that allowed this to become normal and expected.
>>738363296That's not a patch. Or a game. That's a hardware add on.
>>738353085Some console games have different versions on ROM sites. And sometimes you needed to download a patch for older PC games.
It's harder to think of old games as 'unfinished' because youd just cope that 'the game is just like this' and learned to play your way around the bugs and glitches. Me never shutting down the console in the character creator menu of Soul Calibur 3 became second nature, but thats only because i had to go through the fucking piece of shit deleting my save three goddamn times before it stuck
>>738363363A 1.0 PC game from a reputable publisher was a complete product. SimCity 2000 for any computer version (DOS, Windows, Mac) had two patches at most and it was just bug fixes.Console games had even better standards. Like in SMB 3, Rev 1 was just fixing some of the names to match up with the established English names (Kuribo's Shoe -> Goomba's Shoe, King Koopa -> Bowser, etc.) or in Link's Awakening changing a few tiles so you can't get stuck (which requires doing something stupid in the first place)
Who cares. Let's focus on shipping finished games regardless of what happened in the past or not.
>>738353085The inability to patch games, means yes. They did launch finished and largely bug free(at least major bugs which rendered the game unplayable). That's not to say they launched in a perfect state.There was inherently more care put in to how the game released because they only had one shot at it. Now most games release with a day one patch fixing some major problem that should have been caught through basic playtesting.
>>738356884>Sonic '06>retropick one
>>73836436120 years makes it retro, those are the rules.
>>738357604>>738357720It was because of the McDonalds tie-in thing, and because selling a 34meg cart would have meant 3&K would have been over 100 bucks3&K gets a pass because it's the GOAT video gameAlso, if they didn't do that then they would have had the time to replace all the MJ tracks from the Sonic 3 portion and fuck that noisePlus at least they gave us Knuckles in Sonic 2 as an extra
>>738364397Nope. Time doesn't make things retro, advancements do. Nothing newer than the ps1 is retro.
>>738363032BG3 was literally early access release.
OOT has some major bugs
>>738364397I have to agree with >>738364569 to a point.advancements have slowed down heavily.
>>738353085just more false performative sentiments on twitter x. Nothing is real over there it is just view farming by say the most ridiculous and over the top things imaginable
>>738354176Those were arcade games from a time where you couldn't just download the new balance patch to the cabinet from the internet, retard.
>>738357698>A game isn't finished unless literally every single brainfart the devs ever had during the creation of the game made it inI have to stop talking to zoomers, this shit is killing my braincells.
>>738363728>Console games had even better standardsNah, the first party games from Nintendo did.
>>738363048No it's not you fucking retarded shitheadGames today have more bugs than those before 2010 you're complaining aboutIt's only natural with games nowadays being far more complexThe only game without bugs I can possibly think of is Pong
>>738353085they didn't have the luxury of day 1 patches back then so they generally had to work harder to make sure games were "finished" on-launch because pushing revisions was costly and also didn't automatically flush out the older "less-finished" launch copies that still have the bugs/glitches the new revision fixed
>>738363153An absolute subhuman, if you're OP and responding "didn't ask" to answers.
>>738355170Seiken 3 is pretty buggy and poorly programmed in general2 was not much better>>738355460>>738355756No, the bugfix is trash because the tranny who did it made it so that it nerfed your attack by half in general because ''it would make the game too easy''Seiken 3 can literally crash and reboot on original hardwareThe B team at Square working on these games had incompetent programmers working on themJust enjoy Seiken 2 and 3 for the poorly programmed and executed beautiful messes that they areThe franchise had so much potential but it was wasted, Final Fantasy Adventure on Gameboy is objectively the best one
>>738353085Nah most games were done and finished like i would go as far to say as 95% of games for consoles made the mark of "wont crash if played for 8 hours" Now theres all sorts of bugs and issues If i were king of the world i would enforce that no update can be made to a game for 3 months after release. It would make game companies release a good game or let it sink none of this patching the ship as she sets off for her maiden voyage.
>>738364569>>738364704>retro is when my feelings#JustMillenialThings
>>738353085If you released an unfinished game before the ps3/360 era it meant your studio would go bankrupt (core design) as there was no way to fix it unless you print a brand new version of the game like half a year later. So yeah, it's zoomershits talking about stuff they know nothing about.
>>738354176Based capcom, right fellow gamers.
>>738353085No. However theres a massive survivorship bias because the ones that did come out riddled with bugs would just sell like shit or straight up get refunded, but that dont meant they didnt exist
>>738365851People's fault for buying, same with Skyrim.
>>738360956>console that pionered internet usage had it's games use internetIs there a point you're trying to make here?
>>738353085You can install the original Jagged Alliance right now and look at the patch notes.
>>738363115>cut content means the game is unifinishedPost it again. Maybe it'll become true next time.
>>738363423Shut the fuck up.
a lot of games never actually launch "finished" but games back then were more finished on launch than they are nowadays
>>738366553Hey there! I noticed you were coping and being a complete retard, so here's something to help you out:>Patches and updates were unheard of outside of PC gaming until the late 2000s.I don't need to post the tired screenshot about how leftist rhetoric is pretending not to know things, do I? Hope this helps clear things up!
>>738366732>no argument
>>738367048You're point of reference is an obscure console no one bought and even less people used it's internet capabilities to download the optional christmass event retextures in PSO and SA and a proof that those games were unfinished like the rest of the games in the industry?Whatever you say, kid.
>>738357456a good number of japanese games america got were the updated version or "special edition"
>>738358229>Before like 2003, the internet was a place you went out of your way to get to a few times a week/month.I remember it differently. I was online daily from the moment we had internet access in 1997. There were an endless number of sites to find. You could never get bored.
>>738367227Guys? Anyone see a goalpost around here? I swear it was right there when I checked, I heard some guy crying and now it's gone.
>>738367550I accept your defeat due to lack of arguments.I won.
>>738363204Many of the kids aren't gonna get the reference.
ENTER
>>738367550He was correct and you are being incredibly pedantic
>>738367615>>738368538I was willing to let it go and move on since it's clear you're just shitposting but samefagging after getting btfo like this is just pathetic.
>>738353085Most games were finished even in the WC3 days when people got it for multiplayer too
>>738364569Wrong.
They all released finished because many people purchased a physical copy of the game and internet and "downloading patches" was not a ubiquitous thing. It was only after always online started taking off with xbox live and steam that this trend started.. with the original.. DayZ. the first early access game.
I was alive during all of this. Multiplayer online only games like Dota, CS, League, were dominating the market at the time (2010-2012ish) and created the consumer base for this trend.
I just googled it to make sure, and this is the early access release date of DayZDecember 16, 2013And it became super popular and created the business model
It depends on what you mean by finished.They launched feature- and content-complete, but usually had a lot of cut content and bugs that wouldn't get addressed until the sequel 1-2 years later.>>7383693762013 is still zoomer territory.
>>738353085Games were launched with a bit of cut content.A missing level here, a cut weapon there, maybe an enemy variation couldn't be finished in time so they were cut and put into the sequel instead.Games didn't launch with an endless fucking stream of bugs, turbo-fucked balance decisions and other major issues. Because there was no way to patch a fucking PS1 disc lmao.
>>738353085Bethesda released their first game in 1986. So yeah, buggy unfinished games been around for a while.Bethesda was notorious for launching buggy shit even in the 90s. Every review I read of their games talked about "it's buggy right now but wait for patches".
>>738369406What do you mean by 2013 is still zoomer territory? The OP says did games use to launch finished or not? I explained when it changed
>>738369438Right, so you're saying it changed during the zoomer era.
>>738353265Fpbp
>>738353085we just mean there was no dlc retard
>>738367364yeah varies from place to place, but for majority of people broadband was only for rich people until like 2004. before then you had dial-up and had to convince boomer parents not to use/answer the fucking phone. used to cost 40cents to dial the ISP every 4 hours, and you'd get auto-d/c'd every 4 hours cuz that was the longest a dial-up modem at the time could stay connected for. I remember my university gave out free internet via a proxy that anyone could dial into and connect to, but you only got 30mb a day of bandwidth to use. I used the shit out of that until around 2003. Moved into a house with 5 friends and we split a 1.5mbit DSL connection between the 6 of us. man it was so weird just being on the internet all the time at first, like before then you had to book time at the library or parents might let you dial-up like once or twice on the weekend.
>>738369465sure, yea, it changed on December 16, 2013
>>738353085yes, there was when you weren't able to just download a day 1 patch, games generally had to launch complete because it was a massive pain in the ass to fix it. such as a hot fix that you'd have to snail mail out to every affected customer.of course, he's probably going thinking some retarded shit like>this MMO had an expansion pack, see? developers never released full games.
>>738353265fippy bippy
>>738363154Finish reading his sentence and you'll find out how they fixed bugs in games that didn't have access to the internet
There's always been buggy games but the context around them has certainly changed. Nobody 20 years ago would've accepted a barely functioning launch day title under the promise of "we'll patch it later". Nowadays even the major studios pull that shit. Probably a consequence of the availability of high speed internet as much as anything though. Praying a patch fixes your product when half your customers are rocking dial-up (if they even had internet) wasn't a good long term strategy.
>>738353085Well it may be buggy, rushed out to meet their deadline and full of cut content, but since they couldn't patch it afterwards I guess it was properly finished!
Holy fuck what a massive bait thread.
>>738369114Lol
>>738369629PC games got actual online patches, even in the 90s.Console gamers just had to hope they could find the revision that would actually have the fix for potentially game breaking, softlocking bugs, or else they'd just have to play carefully or otherwise suck it down. They were second class citizens since the dawn of time, but at least it got slightly better for them once CDs became the standard and they were more willing to do another printing. >>738369812I think you're getting too many wires crossed. People today still absolutely rip into buggy as fuck releases when actual money is involved. Even when it's planned-to-be-updated, live service schlock, there is still minimal acceptance once there's a price tag on it. It's just with free-to-play games that people don't give a shit and will freely sit around and wait for them to patch, since they have no skin in the game and can just ignore it until it gets better.
>>738353085games launched finished because there was no patching. It's that simple.
>>738356876the death of dialup. when it became common for everyone to have a highspeed internet connection at home it became possible to push digital only content. streaming services and smartphones are probably the driving factor for people ditching dialup, but then end result was you could easily send multiple gigabytes of data over the internet to your customers without it taking an entire day or more. and so began developers testing the waters with what would eventually become the standard digital only online only live service model.
>>738353085Whether or not they were good is a separate question, but when a game was released it was understood to be finished. Maybe the developers didn't implement all the content they wanted, but releasing it means it's done because you can't patch it afterwards
>>738353085Sports games were pretty notorious for console revisions. Basically they would release a 1.0 version before the sports season began and later in the year release a 2.0 version with all the trades and roster moves accounted for.Greatest Hits versions of games would also contain bug fixes.
>>738353085Well no they didn't release(i refuse to use this retarded newspeak "launch") in a fully finished state. But we didn't get a drip feed of updates for years. We got one expansion a year after release. And if it sold well we got a sequel a year or two after that. Now we get unfinished and broken games that, if they sell, get updates every couple of weeks or months for years. That keeps people playing and talking about the game which increases sales.
>>738369114I will never stop butting in to comment chains to call out retards, seethe
>>738353085Nigger what
>>738353085I was there 3000 years ago. Now I know what my grandfather felt when he kept saying things weren't like in WW2 as they say in the TV. I always thought it was just the age. Now I understand how they rewrite history because there is no one left anymore to remember it.
>>738370029>PC games got actual online patches, even in the 90s.I remember having to patch fallout 1 and 2 because Interplay rushed them both out. Every Age of Empires game had some amount of patches, Warcraft 3, Starcraft, etc.Anything that could be expected to connect to the internet would receive patches because no amount of QA would ever catch all the edge cases.
>>738353265and as usual fpbp.
>>738371428>things weren't like in WW2 as they say in the TVmaybe he could've just told you what actually happened. i bet he didn't though. you ever wonder why?
>everything was always bad>things were never better in the past>you need to take your schizo pills and just go to sleepWhy do npc's do this?Will it literally kill them to admit things are way worse now then before?
Games HAD to launch finished. The greatest game of all time, TimeSplitters 2, launched finished. Free Radical Design even passed Nintendo's cert process for Second Sight in the first try. If your game was unfinished, your game was shit and it was all over. Now devs don't even have to finish their game and they have shills and retards saying the game is "engoodened" anyway.
>>738372029Because then he would have to tell his grandson how the nazis actually were the bad guys.
>>738372236>was always badNo, that's not the case."Always" would imply perpetuity, whereas things are way better and actually good nowIt's great not having to lie and accept constant broken releases, unfinished games, and terrible optimizations because updates are forced to be pressed to disc as physical revisions or just not release at all. Now, you better patch your fucking game or else you will get crucified, and so companies do. It's great :D
>>738372236Normalfags are smarter than the average /v/fag. While you guys make a point to nitpick every little thing and your day is ruined if a black character appears in a game you'll never play, normalfags like >>738372390 see how things have actually improved over time despite a few rough spots. NPCs are honestly worth more respect than you autists.
>>738372029He told me things. Like jews were protected in my country despite what they said we were murdering them like the Germans. A decade later DNA tests proved my country has the second largest percentage of jewish population after Israel.It is too scary to think the other things could be real.
>>738372348>victor writes the history books>"akshually I was in the right lol"
>>738353085I'm not sure why that dumb nigger is saying that. Yes some games launched with big bugs and stuff but Twilight Princess and Wind Waker were famously hard to abuse glitches in for quite a long time. In general, games worked out of the box and didn't have progress halting problems.
>>738372628it's never a direct "the nazis were right" and explanation from one of those old soldiers, it's always vagueposting like this. both sides lied during WW2. propaganda and lies are part of war.
>>738372668Might is right, yes. Winners win. It's sad that you don't understand this but I guess a lifelong loser wouldn't get it.
>>738372941>it's never a direct "the nazis were right"Probably because they weren't?
Something that used to be an unsaid rule about Pokémon was that you could capture all Pokémon (except mythicals) in the same games they were introduced. However, there was one exception to that rule and it was Tangrowth in Diamond and Pearl. It's impossible to obtain a Tangela in Diamond and Pearl and because there's no way to find a Tangrowth either, it's impossible to obtain Tangrowth in the same game it was introduced unless you transfer a Tangela from a Generation 3 game. People theorized Tangela was supposed to be a swarm encounter that got bugged back then but I haven't found anything confirming this was true. Anyway, this was the first time something like this happened in Pokémon (It happened again with Zorua and Zoroark one generation later but it was completely intentional) and they added Tangela to Sinnoh in Pokémon Platinum. So, yeah, content that you literally couldn't access on release.
console games had "revisions", you'd know if you emulate. it was invisible to consumers back then.arcade games had even more revisions, just look at street fighter 2 names, except released as new releases instead of "new balance patch every 3 months"in early internet and pre steam days, pc games had downloadable patches, you had to be aware and seek them out, if you wanted to play online it would be a headache, shady sources and broken links, slow internet etc.a lot of games came out "finished" but a lot of games also came out... shit. gamers used to be more accepting of jank and bugs. "a delayed game can eventually be good, a rushed game will always be shit" quote from miyamoto or whatever. post release updates can in some cases mean a shit game can be fixed. it's a positive... if you're patient and not fomo cattle.then about pc, there's the matter of performance: shit may look grim today but it's actually better than before, by far. idk how any boomer could deny that. same for any OS or program related issues in general. you had to be an actual nerd to fix and make broken shit work back then, and issues happened constantly, hardware incompatibilities, awful crashes etc.zoomers cannot appreciate how much steam as a unified platform for pc did to make everything smooth and "just work"there was no indies, early access or episodic bullshit like we get now but that's also because newer games take longer to make or indies can do whatever without a publisher forcing a deadline on them, EA can be a scam or a nice way to small devs to make a good game, but sadly all the earliest examples tended to be scam so it got bad reputation
>>738373158excuse me, are you the guy i was talking to, or did you just decide to chime in with the most obvious statement of all time?
>>738373090That is exactly what I said. It is sad you don't understand I'm mocking the fact you refer to it as truth.
>>738372941>lying is fine if the side I like does it
>>738372769are you a woman
>>738353085All the Halo games released unfinished, but you'd agree they are perfectly functional and worthy of the AAA name. Modern games release straight broken, not worthy of AAA.
>>738373337never said it's fine
In the golden age of DLC and patches there is no excuse for your Street Fighter Supers, your Persona: Again Editions, your Ys X Nodicks. Nothing wrong with a later FF XV Everything Actually Included after the fact so long as all that was also available as DLC for people who bought the original rather than only putting it in a separate full release.
>>738353085Games launched finished but if they were broken then they were simply broken. But this risk meant that on average games didn't release like broken piles of garbage unlike today, where devs rely on using the customer as their QA and patch the glitchiness out of the game after you've bought it at launch.
>>738373225>console games had "revisions", you'd know if you emulate. it was invisible to consumers back then.But it wasn't THAT common. It's mostly games that had shit that they need to get rid of like GTA SA for getting rid of the sex or Zelda getting rid of the quran
>>738365726It will happen to you
>get mass effect 3 for xbox, big fan of previous two>go to country house on holydays for like 3 months without internet>lore important companion and story mission are DLC only>have to live with the ultra shit ending tooi was so mad
>>738363048It's basically impossible to have a bug free game.
>>738362931I don't fully disagree but I don't agree either. Monster Hunter's "expansions" are great but their "update DLC" is kind of undercooked.
>>738373648not really
>>738353085Beyond good and evil PC release was literally impossible to finish without a patch because an item you needed to progress costed more currency than you could possibly have at that time
>>738373825I remember being softlocked and manually downloading a patch for bioshock 1. Was it that long ago already...
>>738373679Yeah that's fair
>>738373225>in early internet and pre steam days, pc games had downloadable patches, you had to be aware and seek them out, if you wanted to play online it would be a headache, shady sources and broken links, slow internet etc.And in the days before that you had to order for the patch to be sent in the mail on a disc if you didn't own a modem to download it from the publisher's BBS.
>>738353085There wasn't even any possibility to patch cartridge games and so on, so it's a big fat lie to claim that games have always been delivered in a faulty state.
>>738353394>uhmmm actually there were patches and revisions?? yeah that mean it the same as today p much :))))))))disingenuous faggot retard kys nigger
>>738374207They did still do updates. Rare but it happened. You'd have to send your copy in the mail and they'd send you the updated version back. Remember how games used to come with registration cards? That's what that shit was about. Letting you know about things like there's a new version of the game. Mostly they just sent you marketing material though.
>Cut content = unfinished gameOkay, retards.
>>738374362Correct. Your lack of foreskin means you are an incomplete product.
>>738353085No, but that was rarely what anyone wanted. The difference is that now they get released unfinished on purpose.
>>738374362>game devs now have the power to put cut content in the game post launch>they still won't do it anyway
>>738354429>"older pokemon games weren't better" is a zoomer psyopThe same gen1&2 games where due to coding fuckups Ghost types aren't actually SE against Psyhics at all, and the Moon Balls have an improved catch rates only for a non-existant group of PKMN that evolve via IceHeal instead of MoonStone?
>>738373767Yes really. Name one game that doesn't have a single bug.
>>738374862Duke Nukem time to kill.
>>738374862pong
>>73837335290% of games launched ready to play out of the box you stupid fucking tranny
>>738374896Name one game that doesn't have a single bug.
>>738374919Ok then you probably have me here but Pong is as simple as it gets. A lot of people learn how to program by making a Pong clone.
>>738372390>>738372556Soulless shiteating consoomers
>>738357957the truth, are you insane? cut content is 90% of the time shit that didn't work in the game not shit that they had to cut for time.
>>738360807Some people say that developers used this type of rerelease to fix bugs, I can't tell if it's true or not.
>>738353394>that had to be patchedThat imply internet era, which filter out anything post from and before the PS1/MSDOS/GB generations.Pre-56k games were sold finished. Not because the devs were kind and competent, but because there was no realistic way to fix anything afterward anyway (beyond silently selling updated copies, but the people who got the first batch were still fucked).
>>738375695That's trueiirc silent hill 2 GH has the born from a wish episode and extra stuff, it's not just PS2, PS1 had them, I remember crash 2 having analog controls, jet moto 2 having the first game courses, spyro 3 not being an obvious beta
>>738375228https://drummyfish.gitlab.io/anarch/
>>738357957He means that cut content was not meant to be finished.
>>738363274Maru Island had nothing to do with itMana, Chrono Trigger etc. were divorced from that project and started from scratch >Chrono Trigger had a lot of stuff changed or scrapped overtime.No it didn't.I don't know why there is this revisionist as of late.The devs themselves said that they cut any content that wasn't fun to play because the design goal of Chrono Trigger was to make an all killer no filler game. Anything that couldn't be done(like the ATEL system or the combat being more action-oriented) was so because of technical limitations on the SNES.You may look at mock-ups of preview images and see very different graphics or something but back in the 16 bit era, games were much simpler to design so you could literally scrap an entire game and start from scratch pretty easily. And that was a fairly common thing devs did back then.
>>738353085False for console games, true for PC gaymes.
I think this entire board is going for revisionism using the general statements given by old faggots.But then again this entire website has Train Jannies so whatever.Anyay here's my statement as an old faggot: Games, especially on console, typically, would be ready to go and ready to play. They had to be because the business of games on consoles was "do it once; do it right." That's it.For PC there was some flexibility and you were responsible to mail a postcard, letter, call a telephone hotline, et al to get a software patch via floppy, CD via mail that would then be required to be used to patch your game if need be. Sometimes entire physical re-issues would have to be waited upon for the patched base game to come out along with whatever extensions sold in the reissue (again this refers to PC games usually).I would encourage OP or anyone here to not be lazy and find a title that you're interested in finding out their patch versions and how they were delivered to customers and go from there to finding out what happened per title.Otherwise, I'm going to say, take an old faggot's word because, hey, I was there, my experience usually was, from box-to-slot, a seamless, uninterrupted experience. This whole "Day 1" patch stuff started when consoles modems installed in them with a RJ45 port in the back.
>>738374530They do... You just have to pay extra!
>>738354557actual retard spotted
>>738374862That Google Chrome no internet game with the dinosaur
>>738375367Being a contrarian is not a good replacement for a personality.
>>738354850>>738357887>>738363340>>738376552Trolled
>>73835308540yo boomer herethey where mostly finished cos almost no one had internet to download patches.usually we buy some specialized magazines with cdrom that had patches for most popular games.twitter guy has no idea of what hes talking about
>>738375046>speed running glitch is the same as a bug making the game unplayableLMAO
>>738353525>honestSomeone pretending to be a zoomer isnt being honest.
>>738376701>almost no one had internetFucking kek, now I know you're lying.
>>738353085yes and no. you couldn't bug patch them so there were usually different versions. Like there are multiple versions of smash and games like pokemon famously had bugs and glitches but now they plan to release games unfinished and to day 1 patches and sell day 1 dlc
>>738377050i know it seems alien to zoomers but it was like that
>>738377116>pokemon famously had bugs and glitches>if you talk to this specific NPC, then fly to this specific city, then use surf on these specific titles and encounter a random battle, then use these specific commands bad things can happenNothing compared to modern games
More and more I'm convinced that discussing vidya with zoomers is like pic related. Just constant misunderstanding and acting dumb about a time where they weren't even cognizant.
>>738375046.kkrieger
>>738353085They released functionally finished, even if that includes cutting content because you can't finish it for the deadline, even if that included some bugs that made it past QA because of the deadline, even if the game was bad.Because the alternative was horribly inconvenient trying to get (PC players) to look for and find patches online, or expensive and unfeasible.But now that the internet is widespread and ease of patching has been accomplished, some devs have gotten horribly lazy. Games became minimum viable products. Deadlines become suggestions. Bugs became problems that would be fixed later. Players became employees that pay the devs for the privilege of QA'ing the game with a priority list that prioritizes fucking the player in the ass.
>>738376583Shiteating NPC talking in stock phrases lol
>>738377170pokemon has a lot of under the hood bugs you wouldn't notice as a kid like focus energy makes your crit rate 4 times lower, not 4 times higher. they ghost is weak against psychic even though the same says otherwise.they did a good job at getting rid of all of the noticeable glitches that caused crashes outside of the missing no or brock through walls or mew glitch, but the game is full of typos and shit that make moves work wrong that a 5 year old wouldn't notice
i remember playing >MDK>chaos:legion>commandos behind the enemy lines>RE2 and 3>starcraft>age of empires>legacy of kain>symphony of the night>all the sonic games>other sega games>some nintendo gamesall those were sold as finishedand they were all finished
>>738377485You are wrong.
>>738356884It's more like modern games are closer to Sonic 06 than RE4 on release they just have the chance to be patched later. CP2077 is a clear example. No Man's Sky is another. If 06 was patched the way modern AAA does things now it wouldn't have the legacy it does. That's what you retards don't understand.Your beloved AAA slop is closer to a Sonic Team failure on release than it is to a true 10/10
>>738353085That's a ragebait twitter.Games HAD to launch finished because there was no internet back then.The only instance where I found a game breaking bug was on Digimon World for Playstation 1 but only because somehow the italian translation introduced a glitch that softlocks the game after you beat Tyrannomon.Other games were either 99% polished with very minor glitches or would get refunded due to unplayability.Gamers nowadays have settled for absolute unplayable shit getting released and are somehow happy to pay 80$+ for it.
>>738353085>Zoomer herestopped reading right there
>>738353085Most PC games were not finished, no. That's why expansion packs became a thingA lot of JPRGs would later get re-releases too that fixed bugs and added updates like Tales and Kingdom Hearts Final Mix 1 and 2
>>738378107you're going to get sent to iran, millenipedo
>>738376485Which is really ironic to say, because back in the day, it was far more likely to have to pay for an expansion or updated version of the game because they simply couldn't update it, whereas nowadays it's not actually that uncommon for cut content to make it in as free anniversary updates and such
>>738378167I prefer the old system.
Nothing as bad as NPCs spawning without face textures, and being just floating eyeballs and teeth, or whatever you have with modern AAA slop.
>>738377050Anon, internet didn't became mainstream up until mid '00.If someone had internet in their house it generally was for only ONE PC connected through ethernet and that was it.
>>738378317Wireless broadband internet was largely available in 2000.
>>738378242bugs in old games>yeah so we rushed to plop it out on store shelves in time for the holidays, so there's huge glitches where tons of shit doesn't function properly and there's softlocks that can cuck you out of hours-long questlines or even finishing the game>will we patch it?>nah, we can't afford to press a second run of discsbugs in new games>oh no, the NPCs are spawning borked>ok, here's the patch the next daywow, truly horrible how it is nowadays
>>738378352largely available doesn't mean people were adopting it.There were sites that still warned the user that surfing it required a broadband conenction for the best experience.
>>738378442>bugs in old games>[absolute headcanon that was true maybe in 0.01% percent of releases]wow anon you really showed everyone.Next time maybe find some sources for your claims, like some very famous games that shipped broken back then.
>>738378461>largely available doesn't mean people were adopting it.People were adopting it tho. Why do you think otherwise?Even in my small rural farming town, people were getting wireless internet in the year 2000.
>>738377175>where they weren't even cognizantIf anything, that makes me trust zoomers moreSomeone impartial with full historical record > Someone blind with nostalgia and thinks they know everything because they personally experienced 0.005% of it (and did so with bias back then as well)
>>738378507>it's headcanon that didn't happen>....okay it did happen, but only SOME.....or a lot.........shut up............>NOW SPOONFEED ME SO I CAN SAY THOSE DON'T COUNT!!!!Nah, I think you've just lost, little zoomie. Thanks for your concession.
>>738378512https://www.infoplease.com/math-science/computers-internet/world-internet-usage-2011Look at the Internet Users in 2000, anon. the users weren't that much. In USA maybe there was more adoption.
>>738378712Prove to me that you're no making shit up, anon.Should be easy, right?>Thanks for your concession.burden of proof is on whoever makes the claim, retard-kun!
Games were released finished up to the PS2/GameCube/Xbox generation. It was with the Xbox 360 that some games started releasing incomplete on disc and requiring a day 1 patch, still even at that time most games released complete
>>738353085Yes and no. Games always had bugs all the time because release dates, crunch and pressure from the publisher are not new phenomenons. On the other hand the bugs ware from games being complex, having lots of quests, different interactions etc., I dont remember games being broken on a fundamental level like you see some AAA games these days.
>>738353394There are a lot of notorious bad launches like Daggerfall, and it's rare for an older game not to have a bunch of incremental patches to fix game breaking shit.
>>738378760I live in the UK. Rural farming towns have had wireless internet since at least 2000, in my experience
There were tons of games that released in one region and then you had a further updated version in another though. Obviously if they had patches back then you'd have all versions lining up.Most of these were small bug fixes, but you did get some bigger ones, like Lizardman, Assassin and Berserk outright weren't playable in the Japanese version of Soulcalibur 2.
>>738379702Arguing with you is like arguing with a woman.>The average is>But I am
>>738379789Your claim was that people weren't adopting it. You haven't proven that claim true yet.Why not?
>>738379854I was never a part of your conversation, I was simply an outsider making a statement because of your retardation.
>>738379943Suuurre you were.;^)
>>738364569>noooo it can't be retro I'm not that old!You are old.20 year old games are retro.t. 39 years old.
>>738379969
>>738353394You are a retarded zygote who doesn’t know shit. Prior to 2000 all games were done. Dialup internet was asscheeks and not everyone had it.
>>738380002You think editing an image proves...what exactly?
>>738353085He's right some attributes in the older final fantasies literally do fucking nothing because of a single bug
>>738378760>And once again, yet another European (this time British) which asserts an anecdotal fallacy and only discloses why the assertions prior.So in the United States (3,900% times bigger in physical size with larger diversity in geography that spells for multiple logistical challenges for building, costs, and subsequent user-end adoption differing in rates compared ot the United Kingdom) the rate of adoption to certain types of ISP connections (satellite, ISDN, 56K, T1, cable, ADSL, Fiber) were a combination of factors that, for a time, left many people who already couldn't afford a personal computer desktop computer, even further not able to afford a monthly subscription to services that, for the service at the time, sometimes didn't come off as a viable cost for some Americans throughout different parts of the United States. Moreover, certain parts of the U.S. such as coastal states, were the first recipients of IT technology logistical infrastructure innovations and eventual, gradual, lowering of prices.
Many older games did, in fact, NOT launch complete.They were just patched and updated in subsequent releases with fixed bugs, more content etc.It was extremely common, especially when releasing later in other regions. See all the differences in JP, NTSC, and PAL releases of MANY games.Not to mention all the games that just cut content and abandoned ideas for the sole reason of hitting their release window.Many of these retards claiming that didn't happen back then are too young to remember any better.Even RE4, launched with many things wrong with it on GCN that were fixed in later releases.
>>738380119>Claims>No proof Yeah...
>>738353085Definitely true with the 7th gen. I was an offline gamer and a lot of games were a fucking mess, worse than today.
>>738380141>Even RE4, launched with many things wrong with it on GCN that were fixed in later releases.Any examples?
>>738354971These were arcade cabinets first you stupid faggot arcade goes werent paying any more than before and it was only consolefags getting the short end of the stick (provided they got a port of that version at all)
>>738380153What proof are you looking for? You're being vague.It's why Europeans on this website are often derided as snobs by default.
>>738380198Off the top of my head, Mine Thrower ammo could not drop on GCFixed for PS2 release
>>738380230Anything that conclusively proves that current PC users in the early 2000's were not willing to upgrade to broadband would suffice.We're looking for general statistics, not individual cases.Thanks.
>>738380280>Mine Thrower ammo could not drop on GCWorked on my version.Was this a NTSC only bug? Pal versions are usually less buggy.
>>738380230
>>738354003is this real
>>738353085They did finish completed, but if they were on console any bugs they had couldn't be fixed on the fly. It's why so many games from back then get ripped open and showcased in speedruns. Also, maybe not a lot, but some games would launch with game-breaking bugs that just wouldnt let you finish the game at all.
>>738380314>Was this a NTSC only bug?Might have been, and fixed for PAL release.I played NTSC and Mine Thrower ammo couldn't drop. So you basically had to sell and rebuy it often to actually use it.
>>738380281>Anything that conclusively provesPedantic but you're British so that's living up the stereotype. Alright.>that current PC users in the early 2000sExcuse me what? What current PC users? In the U.K.? In the U.S.? What users?> were not willing to upgrade to broadband suffice.> sufficecheeky, typical but cheeky all the same.https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2008/07/02/analysis-of-non-broadband-users/jIf there's more snark from you then all I can say is, once again, Europeans in this website entire, have been usually noted for arguing with anecdotes with Americans and yet demand Americans to offer statistics, charts, and ready published documentations of one kind or another. Wankers for days.
>>738353265fpbp. on old /v/ this shit thread would've ended here.
>>738380508And which part of this article proves you right? Quote the exact line, please.
>>738356884And Sonic06 was rightly mocked by everyone and was a tremendous failure. You couldn't get away with releasing unfinished dogshit back then because it wasn't an industry-wide practice.
>>738376732goalposts
>>738380586You're on your own and yet again prove the stereotype of that many users on this website have about Europeans. If you're smart at being rhetorical, thenyou're smart enough the use the King's English to read that report and discern what anecdotes and some descriptions of the situation when it came to Internet connections adoption trends.
>>738377050>literally born after 2005Yeah, we can tell.
>>738380683>Refuses to prove his own claims trueThen you lose, by default. I don't even have to accept your concession, it's been awarded to me by your own actions.
>>738380327It's not even that it's just the willingness to be incredulous with putting claims that you're with the burden of proof against their beliefs.
>>738378352So few people had WiFi routers in 2007/8 that both Microsoft and Nintendo sold USB connected devices to play games online wirelessly.
>>738378150Nice try, i'm not an amerishart retard
>>738380752>putting claims that you're with the burden of proofWhat?
>>738380720No you didn't you simply stated a disbelief and when offered leads you say that the burden of proof is still on the opponent. You've exposed yourself to being a mere believer and never engaged in anything said to you. So way to prove why Europeans are despised on this website by default.
>>738380781I know. I had one.Because everyone else I knew already had broadband, years prior.
>>738380809I'm not sure what you meant by the comic then.
>>738380816>Refuses to prove his claims>twice in a rowKeep crying, reply again if you're mad.
>>738380863What does your ESL babble say? It's not coherent.
>>738380863I posted it for fun, I wasn't even part of the conversation
>>738380902What does your pic rel imply?I know that zoomers like to vague post and pretend that is being clever. You're not clever.
>>738380968It's not my pic, I can't answer that question for you.Please stop dodging my question and tell me what you were trying to type in this post. Thanks.>>738380752
>Zoomers proven wrong once again trying to derail the threadI wasn't expecting much from an ADHD brain-rotten generation but here I am.Anons posted articels that literally proves internet wasn't as widespread in the 2000s and yet they refuse to accept it as reality, because it would imply that>games gnerally released finishedwhich would imply that>overall quality was betterwhich would imply that they've been consuming shit that they think it's the standard
>>738381227Shut the fuck up.
>>738381416struck a nerve?
>>738381416kys you fucking zoomer trash, listen and learn when much more intelligent people talk
>>738381892Does picrel take race into consideration though
>>738381916smart question
>>738353085kys zoomer you will never be a woman.
>>738381916leftist whites act like niggers so it doesn't really matter
>>738381227Stop crying. You already conceded the argument. That means you lose.
