There was a recent thread on VNs. What are some of your favorite VNs? I'm new to the genre.Also, I remember DDLC was all over /v/ once, but not anymore, not like KS that still gets occasional threads (mostly to talk about that /vg/ thread)
>>738392149i played the N64 port of this, pretty faithful
I think the reason for that is because DDLC was made as a spiteful "subversion" of VNs, whereas KS was made out of love for VNs. Love endures for eternity, but subversion is only a product of its time.
>>738392149DDLC started the enshittification of VNs
>>738392374Was it DDLC that started this whole psychological horror trend I see on itch.io?
The only VNs I remember are the big ones, like Steins Gate and Fate. I played a bunch of ecchi ones like Nekopara, but barely remember them. The Fault series is good in my opinion.
i want to fuck all 4 of them
>>738392149My absolute favourite is ひぐらしのなく頃に, but recommending such a title comes with several caveats.First of all, please play in 日本語 if you can read the language. It's one of those works that really struggles in translation because the entire story only really makes sense (both literally and in terms of subtext) with a deep understanding of Japanese culture and history. If you're an otaku or a historian then you'll be fine playing in English but even then it's not the same experience.Secondly, you have to be ok with long tangents, extensive internal narration, and bouts of repetition. It's not so much purple prose as it is pink prose, lol. All of this serves an important function but if someone didn't like it I'd 100% understand.The first chapter is free on Steam and if you love it, you will enjoy the rest of the story. Make sure you use the original sprites in the options menu and you're good to go.By the way, don't listen to anyone telling you to get mods to update the graphics or sound effects. In short these people have no respect for the original vision of the author.
>>738392149Eveything with 3 stars
>>738392149I'm reading Subahibi. Very good so far.Desk-chan is best waifu btw
>>738393480>ひぐらしのなく頃にJust type Higurashi, you fucking nerd.
>>738393480Umineko took the ideas of Higurashi and executed them in a way that wasn't totally moronicMatsuribayashi is possibly the worst ending to a novel I've ever read
I liked this one
>>738393601>>738393720Check the filename, anons.>>738393791I agree that the last two chapters are disappointing, but they're not that bad. Overall it is still a fantastic story.Also Umineko has a completely core thesis, only the structure of the story is somewhat comparable. I'm not going into details for spoiler reasons.
>>738392149If you enjoyed DDLC, play totono(picrel). It's what inspired it.Not sure which I would consider my favourite. DDLC was fine, Totono was really interesting, but some topics it touches make me not want to put it on first place. Slay the Princess was really great, but it's western too and not your typical VN anyway. Kamidori was really fun, but mostly because of J-rpg elements. I guess if I had to pick I would choose My Girlfriend is the President as my #1 standard VN.I really have to play more VNs.>>738392149>DDLC was made as a spiteful "subversion" of VNsIt's not really. It was just totono but targeted for more casual, western audience. Both were made out of admiration of the genre, targeted towards to people who enjoys VNs.
>>738393864Milkchan top cute.https://youtu.be/lT7DPHzZ-oIhttps://youtu.be/T_nPfDd_ZvQ
>>738393480>In short these people have no respect for the original vision of the authorYou nips should really stop confusing shortcomings for intentions. Doujin works like that rarely come off perfectly as envisioned, often simply succumb to compromises.
>>738392337>DDLC was made as a spiteful "subversion" of VNsDan's letter at the very end totally disproves this. He loves visual novels and just wanted to make one that had a twist. I also think it will be remembered as a tentpole title that brought the idea of an AI computer character you fell in love with into the mainstream, way back in 2017 before generative AI was a thing.In this new world of AI chatbots that grown men are falling in love with, it was clearly a forward-thinking game and everything it was afraid of came to pass. I think that makes it a really special and prophetic work. But what do I know?
>>738392149https://vndb.org/v?f=022gen4owin&s=24wHere you go OP, the definitive source for everything VN. Enjoy
>>738396104>But what do I know?Apparently nothing. You would have to have never read any sci-fi ever written if you think anything about DDLC was original or "prophetic".
>>738397210Relax unc, I never said nothin bout no "original"These old fellas gotta get they eyes checked am I write anons?
>>738392149I would sell Monika to Indian gang rapists
>>738397619can u elaborate
>>738393628Wow, I didn't know that it was typical for VNs to be more than 10 hours of playtime.I thought it was average to go from start to finish a route in 3-5 hours, like a movie.
>>738393628lol noeveryone on this list is bottom of the barrel
>>738397167>fagshit
>>738399694I mostly posted it because it has better writing than a lot of the anime-esque VNs I read, but OK.
>>738400169Having gay shit automatically makes it worse than the most generic moege out there
>>738400887OK.
>>738397167IDK about that fag shit, but the art looks nice.I wish I could draw like that and make money.
>>738392337>KS was made out of love for VNsMost of the KS writers dislike VNs in general, or at least think most VNs are bad and unoriginal. There are plenty of 'subversions' in KS, like the sex scenes being tasteful instead of eroge hentai slop and some of the routes (Emi and Hanako's routes punishing you if you try to white knight too hard, Shizune's route being more of a character study than a love story and Rin's route not providing a conventional romantic payoff). But unlike DDLC none of these feel gimmicky or like they're playing with the medium itself.
>>738395246>but targeted for more casual, western audienceThat's not a good thing>targeted towards to people who enjoys VNs.DDLC was the first visual novel for many people who never played another one after DDLC
English mystery VNs on Steam from the past few years:>Beyond R: Rule Ripper>Birth ME Code >Blankspace>Clean Slate>CORPSE FACTORY>Decide 4 God (Out now in full 1.0)>Detective Instinct: Farewell, My Beloved>The Divine Deception>Entropic Float: This World Will Decay And Disappear>The Game of Fourtune>Head AS Code (remake)>Look Inside>Methods: The Canada Files>Methods: The Detective Competition>The Price of Flesh>Quantum Suicide>Reaplaced>Shards of Chaos>The Specters Desire>SYNESTHESIA>Tead>Thief's Roulette>Whispering Memories>The Zodiac TrialEnglish mystery VNs on Steam that are to-be-released:>The Lost Delinquents of Rollings High>Motives: The Ultimate Problem>NO MORE WORK FOR ITO>Ubel>Underground22>The Wonderland Killings
>>738396104>He loves visual novels and just wanted to make one that had a twistname 5 VNs that he likes
>>738392149just a reminder to all retards in this thread or passing this thread. VISUAL NOVELS are not video games and never will be. burn in hell sinners
>>738402289>DDLC was the first visual novel for many people who never played another one after DDLCAnd there are masses of zoomers on tiktok obsessing over SubaHibi despite never even playing it, any other VN. That doesn't mean SubaHibi was made for people who don't play VNs. Braindead audience does not retroactively change the intention of the creator nor its target audience.
I made what's 90% a VN. Shilled in the link below.>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2803990/XVTM/Ironically, if Steam did a VN Fest, I'd have to ask for an exception because there's minor gameplay that disqualifies it from meeting their definition of a visual novel.
>>738402809Even the creator didn't play many VNs, why would he make a visual novel for people who like visual novels if he doesn't even enjoy the medium? >>738402594
>>738403043>he doesn't even enjoy the medium?
>>738403198>He wrote a generic note that can be summarized as "thank you for playing", that means he loves visual novels!>>738402594We are waiting
Is this thread just some newfag defending the DDLC dev? Lol. Poor threads today. /vn/ is hyper S;G circlejerking at the moment.
>>738403465>>He wrote a generic note that can be summarized as "thank you for playing", that means he loves visual novels!Yes. You claimed he doesn't like the medium. He claims otherwise. Idk why do you think I would believe you more than the guy himself, when your only argument is that his VN got mainstream appeal. So does SubaHibi in even more extreme way, so what?
>>738403595No, I'm not defending DDLC or any dev, I just wanted to know what VNs you guys like, I'm new, like I said in the OP.
>>738403198>"my own favorite games have always been ones that challenge the status quo">he says this after making a generic vn even though the plot is supposed to be heckin subversive.
Slay the Princess was damn good. They even released a free expansion pack as a sendoff.
>>738403872How is DDLC generic?
>>738403648His "claims" are worthless without proof; he's a redditor, so maybe he posted about his favorite VNs there. It's funny because he only talked about games in general in that note, not VNs.
>>738392149More of an Adventure game, but 999 and VLR are my top favorites. I loved the wild ride of Muv Luv, though it's a fucking long haul. Fata Morgana was also good, but also a long one. Though it's overhyped Steins is genuinely really good, though the sequel and most of the spinoffs suck.
>>738403987>basic moege characters, but hey! that's the point because the characters are meant to be parodies!!>"subversive" and "unique" plot, but the japs did it first lol>DDLC fans are such tourists that Dan made paid side stories with generic moege plots, and the fans ate it because it was the first normal moege/visual novel they played.
>>738404113>His "claims" are worthless without proofSo are yours, anon.>>738404470>>"subversive" and "unique" plot, but the japs did it first lolThere is like one example where it reassembles DDLC. This is not generic by any means. It's actually what makes it not generic in the first place.>>DDLC fans are such tourists that Dan made paid side stories with generic moege plotsHow is this related to your original claim?
>>738404470forgot the>creepypasta tier horror
>Minimal unsolicited fanserviceit doesn't surprise me that everyone who likes ddlc is a fag
>>738396104That's a pretty unintelligent comparison you're making. DDLC depicts a character taking over your computer in a horror setting. That's completely different from running an ERP chatbot of your own will.>omg it's so prophetic because the game has AI in it Are you the same kind of person who thinks MGS2 was prophetic for "predicting" online communities? The internet wasn't invented in 2007.
>>738392149DDLC is nearing 9 years old, how often should people be talking about it?
>>738405590It's important to talk about it now in retrospect, to reflect on the irreversible damage it has done on the indie scene as a whole.
>>738405685>irreversible damageWhat did it do?
>>738396104"Creepy AI" and its relation to humans has been a trope in media for at least four decades now.
>>738405765Now whenever a potential indie dev wants to create a new masterpiece, instead they are filled with an unignorable lust that forces them to jack it to DDLC hentai until they are drained of any motivation and fluids. Tragic state of affairs.
>>738396104midwit take
>>738392149Have you read Yume Miru Kusuri?I think that is still probably still a good gateway VN for newbies that want something more than nukige (that's the term for a game that focuses on making you jerk off rather than the plot).
>>738392149just finished prism peak. it was peak
>>738405590>/ddlc/ - Doki Doki Literature Club #1728>/ksg/ - Katawa Shoujo General: Katawa Shoujo General #4057.5
>>738392337I don't get the feeling of spitefulness from DDLC. Maybe a little 2deep4u. An example of a spiteful (and extremely shallow) VN would be the Class of 09 series.
I only read chuunige.
Read Quantum Coffee Conundrum! It's 3 bucks and they got Dexter Manning in it.
