>One class is significantly better than all othersHow do we fix wyvern rider dominance?
>>738398728Wyvern riders usually balanced themselves out in the campaign context by availability issues despite being so consistently good. Haar is an exception
More like ant rider
>>738398728Make maps full of magic enemies like FE4
>>738398728RYDER NIGGA
>>738398728You get them later onThis is why I absolutely disdain class changing systems
Samus looks cute while riding her dragon Ridley
>>738400242Wyverns aren't even that good in most reclassing games. It's literally just 3H thay created the meme that reclass games are just wyvern spam.
>>738398728they are just armor knights on flying wyvernsgive them armor weaknesslower their speed and accuracyremove bow immunity itemsmake bows ignore half the defense of flying units on top of dealing triple damagehave mounted archers for the enemy so you can't outrange them as a flierthere, no more wyvern reclassing spam
>hair for ants
>>738402970More like no more wyverns ever because you just made them dogshit you faggot
>>738403326Miledy would still be good in fe6 with those so you are wrong
>>738402970best i can offer is "remove bow weakness and add a weakness to the rarest type of magic"
>>738402970Anons are really bad at class balance in that they can't seem to grasp the importance of keeping things simple.
>>738403641>has to pick the most stat inflated busted unit in gba to make his point
>>738404039Oswin riding a wyvern would also be good in fe7
>FW thread died under 20 posts>this thread is almost dead at the time I'm bumping itDid Star Fox kill our franchise or something?
Cutesythea
>>738402970>this class is good? let's make it so shit that nobody will ever want to use it againbravo, I love modern "balancing" of singleplayer games like this
Beruka is a good model of what Wyverns should be like.
>>738408368>nobody will want to use it again>unkillable flying juggernauts with 8 moveYou are crying over literally nothing
>>738402172Reclassing to wyvern rider absolutely obliterates the DS games.
Marriage with Marianne!
>>738408885>unkillablenot if there's one archer in range>lower their speed and accuracynow they don't kill anything on top of easily dying to a common unit type>make bows ignore half the defense of flying units on top of dealing triple damagein case you thought your wyvern unit could be salvaged by having enough defense, you've ensured they now die to lv 1 archers with bronze bows>have mounted archers for the enemy so you can't outrange them as a flierin case you thought you could reposition them and use them as mini armor knights that can't kill anything in specific areas of the map, you've now ensured there will be no escape from archersfates had reclassing and didn't need to make wyverns useless to prevent wyvern reclassing spam, just have a wide variety of useful classes instead
To me, Ike is a true hero. In my opinion, the truest hero among Fire Emblem lords. He's a man who will proudly uphold his ideals, principles, and bonds no matter what. And despite being surrounded by people with differing, sometimes discriminatory, opinions and beliefs (mainly Soren, Shinon, Lethe, and Jill), he shows them respect and compassion, and will even help these people improve themselves more often than not. His dynamics with the cast of Tellius (mainly Black Knight, Mist, Titania, and Soren) are really good and some of the best in the seriesHe takes no nonsense from bigots who sit upon a high horse, and is more than willing to push them off said horse regardless of their social or political standing. To the people who call him a Gary Stu, I don't see it. He's a person who tries to learn from the mistakes he makes and grows into a stronger man because of it. I will admit characters in Radiant Dawn do kinda glaze him, but getting glazed by other members of the cast does not fit into the definition of Gary Stu.
>>738407861I wouldn't even be mad if Star Fox got some more attention. Those niggas deserve something after this madness of getting the same fucking game over and over.
>>738409007Wyverns aren't even good in FE12 late game due to their shit speed cap
>>738409158With ugly puppets.
>>738409141Oh no the best class throughout the series is countered by one of the worst class in the series and now can't solo in a game designed for you to use multiple units boohoo
Toss me the FE7 save /v/ros
>>738409007Wyverns fall off in late game DS FE on higher difficulties. 23 Spd is not good enough.
>>738409151The only thing that strikes me as hard to swallow about Ike's story is him shittalking the Begnion senate and not facing any repercussions for it.
Altenna is worse than Fee in Gen 2Dean is the best flier in Thracia but Eda is the worstMiledy is the bestHeath is the best only if you skip Lyn Mode.The best flying class is shared in 8. The best flying unit depends on the route that you pick.Jill + Haar are worse than Marcia + TanithHaar is the bestDS FE Wyverns fall off due to speed cap but they're good early on.Pegasus is better than Wyvern in AwakeningWyvern for combat in Fates. Falconknight has a niche for utilityMost people prefer Wyvern in 3H but there are characters like Bernadetta and Marianne who are fine with FalconWyvern and Griffin are even in Engage.
>>738410214Ike is a pretty special boy considering his family. He also doesnt really face repercussions for quite a few things that he does because the plot handwaves it as a "good and refreshing thing"
>>738410460Yeah, I couldn't think of some other examples but I felt like there was one. The beginning of the story does a pretty good job with Gatrie and Shinon leaving though.
>>738404039Why would you nerf them where they aren't OP?
>>738410359>Altenna is worse than Fee in Gen 2Only because Altena joins late as fuck>Heath is the best only if you skip Lyn Mode.I'm still not sure where I stand between him and Fiora.>Wyvern and Griffin are even in Engage.Not really. Griffin is a weirdly overrated class in Engage, and I honestly do not see where people are coming from.
>>738409695https://files.catbox.moe/xl2qb9.sav
I played the first chapter of this one so I figured 3 chapters was enough to go again. What is your guys' weird obsession with supporting Hector and Elishit? Ideally we wouldn't even be deploying that useless fuck.
>>738409643It wouldn't be the best class if it had shit speed and accuracy doe
>>738410627On a somewhat related note, I don't know what drugs they were on when they decided mounted units should have better bases than infantry units in Engage. It's so jarring to see that someone can choose between Swordmaster and Griffin, and Swordmaster has worse or equal stats in every category outside of one point of Con.
>>738411024Marcus will rescue Priscilla from Bandit cock for once
>>738411082Not being OP would allow them to appear early game so you can train them until you fix their speed and accuracy from being 10 levels above the enemy like you'd do with any other early game unit
>>738410627No. Altena is worse than Fee because her resistance is complete and utter ass on top of no staff utility.And no, Wyvern is not better than Griffin. Its a very middling outcome for a lot of units and even Kagetsu prefers to leave Wyvern for Griffin later on because he can use S Swords + Georgios + Marth as a nuke to trivialize practically any hp bar for free.
People will shit on Diamant for being incredibly middling combat wise while praising Wyverm!Chloe and Lapis in the same sentence when all three of them have comparable combat parameters.
>>738402172Wyvern is easily the best or 2nd best class line in Fates, great skills, stats, flight and Malig Knight for magical units. Literally the only problem with them is no unpenalized, physical 1-2 range.
>>738411380would only work in games like FE7 where enemies have shit stats
>>738411274I wanted to recruit Erk turn 2 but the soldier didn't get baited like I wanted so he was out of range for Serra.
>>738411525Yeah, Engage discourse sucks honestly. I like the game but it doesn't lend itself well to conversation.
>>738411525>being surprised people mock a lord for having similar combat prowess to a throwaway myrmno shit anon, people hold lords to higher standards, just look at Roy, Lyn, Eliwood, or Micaiah. average as fuck units that get trashed because people expect lords to be more than that.
>>738411625Then learn to use dual strikes
>>738411768?How are dual strikes supposed to fix a class that inherently has shit stats? i'm not going to use it anyway, and not because it's difficult to give it exp
>>738411728>Micaiah>BadI'm not going to bother entertaining the rest of your post.
>>738411665Our Lowen is cracked?
>>738411865Ask Beruka
>>738411965Beruka is dogshitIf anything she's better off not being a wyvern at all
>>738411024Because Eliwood (and Lyn for that matter) are force deployed in certain maps and the final one. Supports and letting them have some levels early on mitigates fear of them eating shit later on. No one is asking to turn them into juggernauts or to feed them all the kills, but holding off too long with them will make chapters later less dreadful when you are forced to deploy them.
Lapis actually has fairly good combat parameters among the pre 11 units but Big Chloe has managed to convince everyone that Lapis is terrible.
>>738411952Alright I gave Bartre his chance and he squandered it like always
>>738412009Beruka has access to two good class sets in Fighter/Wyvern and A+ Selena lets her get access to Strong Riposte without too much additional effort if she dips into Hero. Just let her fuck Kaze or something so you can do the funny of a Master Ninja with Sol, Strong Riposte and Trample.
>>738412093How is this even possible to fuck up? It hasn't even started raining yet.
>>738412009She can kill everything Camilla is putting into single digit hp without a problem and be useful in the late game just like any other unit with or without reclassing. I'm not the person to force you to use a unit you don't like just because you can't use them
>>738412027This is exactly how the last relay died and you learned nothing. Instead you double down and spent a valuable support slot and raise a shit unit for like 3 maps.
>>738412276Someone failed it once somehow and then griefers started doing it on purpose once it became a meme
>>738412276ELIWOOD STOCKS PUMPING
>>738412316>She can kill everything Camilla is putting into single digit hp without a problemany shitter can do that, and they'll end up better than beruka long term too
>>738412246So your claim is that she should grab the wyvern skills and dip out, doesn't sound like a good wyvern to me
>>738412431HECTORCOIN IN FREEFALL
>>738412346Fine then. Early game is the only time to somewhat dummyproof them. A lord dying to a mage in the early game isn't suddenly gonna not be an issue in the late game. Now they'll just evaporate to everything else besides mages.
>>738412346>Eliwood>Lyn>Florina>Farina>Serra>Matthew>OswinA lot of his options are slow or are unlikely to be around him due to movement. This concern over a quick C Support is overblown.
>>738412642Current map state. Gonna try feeding Erk some kills see and see what he has for us.
>>738412453She is good enough to help you in beating a kid's game
>>738412642>9 strength>level 9Oh no no no
>>738412712Any character is, if that's the standard you use
>>738412740Why wouldn't I use that standard?
>>738412705>He's like a second Raven bro
>>738412882There's no point in ranking units if your only metric is "can contribute something if I use it"
>>738412910
>>738413015Why not?
>>738413130Risk management department: yay or nay?
>>738398728Make them weak to arrows again and bring back ballistas that cover 75% of the map and have 85+ hit rate.
>>738413142Every character can contribute something if you use them, no matter how shitty they are
>>738413212I just threw a javelin
>>738413245And you consider a character that can contribute into beating the game a bad character because?
>>738413318
>>738412910https://fireemblemwiki.org/wiki/RavenThose stats are pretty comparable.
>>738413368Because some characters are better than others. It's the point of ranking things, any car can take you from point A to point B but some of them are better at it
>>73841321281% pfft. By Casino standards thats a sure thing.
>>738413504Better how?
>>738398728Just don't allow re-classing or limit itI like my wyvern riders being absurdly overpowered, they are basically like the queen in chessRegular pawns need to work really hard and survive long enough to re-class to it.
Beruka is a perfectly fine unit. She just exists in the same dimension as Camilla who joins in the same class line and gains exp like a level 15 unit, so she's overshadowed. You can do far far worse.
>>738413585I love the "I'm retarded and will endlessly ask stupid questions until you get tired of answering me" conversation method
>>738413457Too bad this armory sucks. I'll pick up some irons and fires.
>>738413704She would suck even if camilla didn't exist btweven Selena is better than her, and Selena isn't exactly great
>>738411416who cares about staff utility the game has enough good staff users already.
>>738413757I left Rebecca in range of this peg by accident and the cav + peg combo kills her. Oswin is 1 damage off of killing the cav, too. If I rescue her it'd risk Erk, so I think she might die here.
>>738413742>i am measuring units using some metrics>what metrics are you using to classify what units are better than others>erm why are you asking stupid questions?
>>738413885I swear this was not on purpose
>>738413815Lol lmao at your entire post
>>738413913What do you mean?
>>738411416Engage is piss easy and takes little effort tto trivialize
>>738413971I'm putting all my staffs on lana who has the bargain ring. if I need to silence someone with high res I'll have ced do it. using fee for staffs is pointless.
>>738413952you are bad at this game
>>738413952No big deal.
>>738413952Bartre just TANKED a slim lance crit.
>>738411930Probably for the best, you can't read to begin with considering i never called Micaiah bad.
>>738398728Keep iterating on the 'swordmaster who is also a mage' except make them good, that enemy is the wyverns worst nightmare.
>>738413952baaaaased
>>738411728i have never personally had eliwood turn out bad desu
>>738414165https://files.catbox.moe/0nstdm.savGet the dracoshield and give it to Marcus
>>738414003That you were talking out of your ass and wasn't using any metrics to begin with or you wouldn't avoid answering that
>>738414408What makes you say that?
>>738414206>swordmaster who is also a mageWhat class is that? Or do you just mean Levin Sword users?
>>738414465You avoiding the question about what metrics you said you use to classify units into bad or good. Either you are a liar or talking out of your ass so why should I even think that Beruka can't help with beating the game if you can't tell your own highly secret metric to good units, if you aren't even using any metrics to classify Beruka then get the fuck out of here fucking liar
>>738414924What's a metric you use?
>>738415135If they help me beat the game and I have fun with them then they are good for me, I already answered this and you said this was bad because "my metrics are better and yours suck" or whatever and never bothered saying what metrics you use to decide a character was bad or good so why should I even bother listening you when you tell a character sucks if you can't tell that yourself
Melty
>>738415419What does beating the game mean?
>>738415567What context are using "beating" in?
>>738415567You tell me
>that character you enjoy sucks>okay, why do you think it sucks>because of my metrics (not answering you why i think it sucks hehe)>okay, what are your metrics>stop asking stupid questionsInsane
>>738416678What's a character?
>>738416752You are a character
>>738398728I only began to understand how good they were after playing the illusory dungeon romhack in hard mode. My only winning runs had wyvern riders (with the anti archer shield) that carried the group
>>738416818Define "you".
>>738414707Owain/odin
>>738417549Dunno, it is a 4chan thing
>>738417898It means that someone is replying to one of your messages.
relay?
>>738419101tired of yo shit
>>738413796>Selena isn't exactly greatSelena is basically Camilla if you train her. They made her bases super high for some reason, probably because she's Nami Komuro's pet. And Beruka is just Selena, but slow.
>>738419416>camilla without the good bases or level lead or exp bonus or starting class>sword locked until promotion or reclass>far worse class access and limited partner options>but it's basically camilla guysif you mean she has decent stats at 20/20, there are plenty of other units that can achieve that without as many downsides
>>738419101>uses one unit anon doesn't like>killed next chapterNah
>>738419416>She's just a friendship seal master seal and 10 levels away from a unit you get for free>And she'll have a worse internal level and personal skill and probably still worse stats and weapon levelWow
>>738419645>says "if you train her">you still feel the need to be autistic like thisCamilla glazers are so annoying honestly. They act like it's just impossible to raise unis that can match or surpass her, when she's just a regular unit with good stats.
>>738419731shut the fuck up, holy shitI'm going back to Star Fox threads
>>738419645Selena has the easiest wyvern access of anyone in the game. You can literally have her in wyvern before ch 11 if you're so inclined.3 points with Camilla in ch 103 points in Mozulogue3 points in Invasion 1There's A+ and now you have Beruka but way better (literally 4 points of speed higher at base level and better growths all around).
>>738419771>she's just a regular unit with good statsthat describes selena, except selena doesn't come out as a rape machine from the get go
>>738419856Little bro, she is just a prepromote. Goddamn, I seriously can't stand you waifufags.
>>738419816That requires giving her to camilla and specifically going out of your way to use these paralogues to grind her out which carries an opportunity costEven as a wyvern she's a scrimblo and doesn't accomplish anything great, she's just a worse camilla that requires more investment. I have better units to use
>>738419903And prepromotes are good. scrimblos with mediocre stats that need work to even get out of their sword locked base class are not good.It's funny because camilla has good growths on top of her insane bases and accelerated exp gain, you'd think the growths units lovers would be all over her
>>738420049>That requires giving her to camilla and specifically going out of your way to use these paralogues to grind her out which carries an opportunity costI feel like most people pair up Selena with Camilla on ch 10 anyways. And what is the "opportunity cost" to support grinding on the invasions? That's literally all they're good for.
units you can't use>Lapis>Firenese>Brodians>Citrinne (too slow)>Laslow>Beruka>Selena>Rinkah>Hayato>Nyx>Arthur>any unit that requires a heart seal>probably any unit that requires a master seal (be careful)units you can use>Camilla>ChloeThat's it!
>>738420157>I feel like most people pair up Selena with Camilla on ch 10 anyways.Why would you, first of all camilla does not necessarily want to be paired up, and selena can be used for other things, like going right or getting promoted to bow knight to help with pegasus (by far her biggest accomplishment)>And what is the "opportunity cost" to support grinding on the invasions? You could support grind other units instead, like camilla with keaton for example
>>738414351No one is picking this up after you blatantly spite killed a unit
>>738420361This post just reads like you have one strategy you autistically follow every playthrough and are aggressively opposed to any alternative for some reason.
>>738420572Don’t worry, he’ll samefag it after it gets no activity like always.
>>738420701You guys really suck at identifying posters for how much you try to do it.
>90% of unit deaths in any run: expected disappointment and then crickets>rebecca dies for any reason>endless crying and concern trolling by one guy because his waifu diedmake it less obvious next time
>>738420648No? You claim you're automatically pairing up selena with camilla, I'm the one pointing out you don't have to do that. It's the exact opposite of what you said.
>>738410359>>738410627Nah, griffin is better than wyvern for having staff access alone, which grants exp and the ability to proc canter and charge the emblem meter all in one. It gives free A rank weapon with potential S, and a decent MAG stat and growth for magic weapons. Wyvern is a niche physical class for specific units that fit the bill. The flier type as a whole also has fairly weak emblem bonuses.
>>738420883No? I just said it's a pretty common thing for people to do so Camilla can get guard stance and a few nice stats. They spawn next to each other and it's a perfectly fine way of playing the map even when supports aren't a consideration. You're obsessing over these weird "opportunity costs" because you see any alternative usage of resources as an affront to your strategy.
>>738421062>It carries no opportunity cost if you pair up camilla with selena every single time and never plan on doing anything else
>>738420853I only had Rebecca that far forward because the last guy supported her with Lowen and I figured I'd keep her in range of him lol. This is just what tends to happen to combat units who die in 2 hits.
>>738413885>>738413952Why didn't you just block Rebecca's left side with Oswin, you fucking retard? The cav wouldn't be able to reach her.
>>738421230you're just bad and sad
>>738421243Erk is in range of the cav and flier if he does that
>>738421243Then they could have teamed up against Erk and killed him, which I was more concerned with avoiding so I ended up rescuing him with Oswin.
>>738420763>t. Sylveonfag
>>738421317>>738421332Who gives a flying fuck about Erk?? You just lost one of the best supports for our promising carry.
>>738421386>Who gives a flying fuck about ErkI do
>>738421386>Who gives a flying fuck about ErkMe.
>>738421358This is what I mean. I'm not sylveonfag and I don't post like him at all. I don't know if he's even played in this one yet.
>>738420238Add Seth and pent to the units you can use list
>>738421386Erk >>>>>>>>> R*becaca
>>73840979523 speed is fine in fe11, the enemies are slow.In fe12 it's easily the best class overall. The only time the speed cap hurts is chapter 23.
>people try to use shit unit>unit predictably ends up dying because they are shit>anon pisses his diapers for hours over itevery time
The good news is Lowen has a free support slot.
>>738421707If you're good at the game, you can prevent even the shittiest unit from dying.
>>738421807Oh boy, now we can support him with *checks notes* Isadora!
>>738421949Sounds good, knowing how anons play, we'll probably have the slots to deploy her.
>>738421949Harken and Isadora sound pretty good actually
>>738421949Thank god we can support him with a decent prepromoted paladin now instead of a shitty archer
>>738421987IS did Isadora so fucking dirty giving her 6 CON. She's a pretty good unit aside from being weighed down by half her arsenal.
>>738422106Yeah, she really needs a Body Ring.
>>738422138Raven is getting the Body Ring
>>738422162No he isn't.
>>738422162That's up to whoever takes the desert chapter.
>>738422106IS loved to give units negative con mods. But I dont think Isadora needs it as much as people think. She cares more about that iffy HP/Def combo she has at base
>selling stat boosters
>>738422208>>738422241;)
low def units are soul because you have to actually think about how to use them. /v/ loves high def units because they are easier to use.
>>738411024eligood promotes to cavalier so he can rescue hector!
i will relay where is the save im playing on vibes
>>738422873Fuck off. I can smell the deliberate run destruction on you.
>>738422873>>738414351
>>738422924where is the gba file i mean>>738422916if a tank cant tank cuz i didnt do math it aint my problem
>>738423006Just make sure Marcus has some Vulneraries, Hand Axes/Javelins then moving him 8 spaces every turn is how you should play this chapter anyway to intercept the thief.
I'm watching a pretty good japanese conquest player and he claims donnel is a very good unit
>>738423142Raising everyone in Awakening sucks so you might as well raise the person with the best chance of growing quickly.
>>738423142The nip is wrong.
>>738398728Pegasluts are better
>>738412431EliGOOD
>>738423142>he claims donnel is a very good unit>a pretty good japanese conquest playerdoubt
>>738423006Anon didn't upload the gba file so you'll have to fish that up yourself.
>>738412431Wasted exp
>>738412431>every offensive stat is -5 from raven on average
>>738374342>>738374675See, now this is exactly what I expected the first anon to do: cower in the corner like a little bitch.
>>738423490I don't know why, japanese players just love growth units and don't have the same views on tier lists as everybody else
>>738423142Nips never got the LTCfag vs Grindfag war, so their opinions are very different overall
>>738423006https://files.catbox.moe/ey3swp.gba
>>738423747yay thanks
>>738423615I'd rather lose the run than do that yet I didn't lose because of that. I just misplaced Eliwood onto an non safe tile when he could've easily been kept perfectly safe.
>>738423618Unironically japs just love grindshit for some reason. All their romhacks turn into that too. They're obsessed with big numbers.
>>738423618I mean, I like growth units...good ones.Some anon claimed the Japanese have a favorable view of "God Benoit" but I never saw any evidence of it, it was just a claim. I'm inclined to believe that while there are probably some cultural differences, they are rational individuals capable of coming to reasonable conclusions about things. Benny's just not very good. Same for Donnel.
>>738423862Well I did see that same guy use Benny for the ninja rape chapter with a reasonable degree of success. I get the appeal, he's pretty much immortal and has a niche, he also trivializes chapter 19
>>738411525>Wyverm!ChloeThere is absolutely no circumstance where you should ever put Chloe on wyvern, that's a terrible meme from early 2023 'meta'fags who had no fucking clue what they were talking about. You'd be better served putting her on warrior even, but besides that, Chloe beats the shit out of Diamant in DEX, which is his main issue. Diamant isn't 'bad', he just had one fatal flaw that you can patch up. I just found he felt like shit to use compared to other units.
>>738424135Benoit also cheeses the right hallway on Ryouma's map, his tankiness is absolutely nuts. I think the western audience sleeps on him desu.
>>738424286Try playing on Lunatic some time
this the map?
>>738423862The tl;dr of it is: bulk shuts down enemy offense, making him a good enemy fisher. Wary fighter makes his speed irrelevant to enemies, and he can punch them back once for someone to finish on player phase.
>>738424384No. Anon just did this map and got Erk and Priscilla
>>738424358I am talking about Lunatic, retard.
>>738424158The right hallway isn't even that bad if you go slowly it's automation lunge hell where one wrong step sends you to Brazil which is difficult>>738424384No we just did this map try the save here >>738414351
>>738424516Benny gets completely shredded by debuffs on lunatic so I don't see how he "cheeses" it at all, frankly.
>>738424452>>738424135I'm not really a Benny hater. I've used him. But by all intelligent metrics, he's like...worse than any other bulkster. The problem is that he can't kill things. So outside of 19 which is the one map where his offense is good, he's essentially half of a unit.
>>738424524thats what im using
>>738424607wait no i got it wrong
>>738424590He tanks the debuffs, especially since he has a anti getting doubled skill.
>>738424595Yeah, he can also block the ninjas on 17 but xander can also do that so i don't knowAnd I think the hallways on the right of 25 isn't that bad usually, it's the left side that is fucking impossible and i haven't found a particularly consistent solution for it yet, i know benny wouldn't last against those kinds of debuffs.
>>738398728>8 KB, 70x115the catalog loaded 0.000001 second faster, thanks
>>738424726Do you know what "cheese" means? It doesn't mean "survives one turn longer than the average joe".
>>738424924There it is!
>>738424796>Taking the entire hallway at once on his own, effectively crippling any threat it has isn't cheesingKek
bartre will defend the throne
>>738424995But like... how does he do that? I guess he can maybe kill a few master ninjas, but the spy shuriken guys can just debuff him with impunity until has defense is like zero. Basically no different from the average Xander.
marcus is alive
>>738424924This better be mangs patch version, that was the best map he changed
>>738425171Bro is just letting Marcus be shot to death with no 1-2 range weapon equipped.
>>738425257free 1 exp
>bennoitI used him in my first run and he was fine. His real problem is that Xander already covers your physical tanking needs.
>>738425373corrin with horse spirit also has insane defense usually and actually onerounds enemies
>>738424595I'm not really a Bennyfag either, I'm just trying to convey the mindset I see in the way they use him. It's basically huge DEF = safe physical engagements, WF = mages can't double. Give him appropriate pair up and you've got the perfect unit to pull those scary linked formations.
>BennyGODS vs. Royalspammershttps://youtu.be/OeF-VoGeyDM
>>738425881Nigga what's going on around the throne?
>>738425942nothing
>>738413239One shot ballistas are unfair. Maybe if they forced you to bench wyverns until you deal with the ballistas, then fine. However FE maps allow for do few playable characters to come be on the field that a 3+ wyvern setup is detrimental to your whole setup AND the map itself is always like "oh you made it so far to destroy the ballista, well you're already 80% there to getting the throne" and by the time the riders reach the action it's already done.
>>738425938btw dorcas died in there and i didnt know someone had handaxes
>>738398728Make areas they cannot land. They can be OP, just in their own part of the map.
>>738426076and serra died to this bad screenshot
throne is still safe
this might be the worst anon at posting screenshots so far
>Rebecca died so time to kill everyoneI feel like I've seen this episode before
I've noticed that these slaughters almost always happen immediately after rebecca dies
>>738426187It's not that this game is hard. It's just the people that play it are fucking insane.
any way to save bartre
>>738426076>42 hitAnd it still landed :(
>>738426234use your brain
merlinus is dead
>1 tile wide chokepoint>resident genius lets all the axe users throughat least make it subtle, like pretend you misplaced a unit or something, not like this
>>738426286Now this I can't accept, veto.>>738426308I love leaving the pre-promos actions for last too.
but he said he was gonna play on le vibes bro xdddI hate unfunny zoomers so much
>>738426424Playing on vibes is when I throw Marcus at a bunch of enemies and take away his method to counter-attack.
dont think im getting the shield
>>738426228>the people that play it are fucking insaneis it even "people?" i thought the "relays" were just like one schizo role playing a few different posters for some perverse reason.
>>738424158IL30 Warrior!Chloe56/26/12/25/28/15/12/15/11IL30 Warrior!Lapis50/27/7/21/28/17/14/12/10IL30 Succ!Diamant (there's no good reason to take him out)52/25/7/20/25/22/11/17/14Chloe: 57.5 HitLapis: 48 HitDiamant: 48.5 HitIt is absolutely ridiculous seeing so many people treat his dex stat as some sort of super weight around his leg when there are many other units with comparable dex stats.
>>738426582That just makes you the schizo to assume that lol
>>738426582everyone can be the same person if you forget to take your meds for long enough
>>738426582That does happen sometimes too, mostly when interest in one peters out.
need to put marcus in the throne cuz dorcas died with vuln
Intentionally getting units killed is not interesting or cool, it's just being a dishonest faggot.
>>738426582in the fe6 run there was one schizo who changed his filenames and posting style and hogged ~8 chapters, but the rest of the run was split between at least 10 unique players with 1-3 chapters eachin less popular games there are sometimes only a few posters passing the save back and forth, since no one else wants to play, but there's no schizo role playing
Eliwood mode sends its strongest soldier to tank this run
>>738426778I'm pretty sure it's just some zoomer who thinks playing like shit is funny because he's afraid of being genuine for once in his life. I'm not laughing.
Rebecca has been avenged
>>738426920If this relay ever happens to reset, I'm killing Rebecca out of spite.
hit but survived
>>738426924He NEEDS that steppe savage swordswoman pussy.
nvm he got doubled
do i need to survive the enemy phase too
>>738426857I love all the posts of:>Very insightful.
>>738427150Obviously faggot
>>738426596Anon, people's perception of units is based on memes and vibes, not comparative data. I've tried explaining on ten separate occasions over the years that Lapis and Framme and Clanne aren't especially weak units and it's their base class holding them back, but the salient fact is that certain units "feel" weak, so in the end you just have to let people be idiots.
need to put hector back in the throne after this
I bet this is the same dishonest Franz poster from yesterday.
lets hope for the best
>Haha I so don't care that I'm playing like shit and killing everyone. You can tell because I'm typing in all lowercase
i forgot matthew but he is okay
hit
another hit
third hit
>>738427423>I so don't careNo, he's proud of his sabotage
all the tanks survived just fine
>>738427423Why is every anon who does that a complete prick?
>>738427493>>738427542>>738427590MARKEKS, what is this?
This reeks of Sylveonfag's brand of mental illness.
>Three Houses has no unique classes>Make one which is supposed to be a Samurai which I put Felix into>FUCKING MAGICTHE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?
>>738427680It's pretty impressive if marcus survives considering this dude is doing everything he can to get him killed
>>738427642Bosswin TANKS the massacre
>>738427728Ever heard of a Dread Fighter? Though I'm not sure why it's bad in 3H...
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>>738427808No one is using that shit.
>>738427740Maybe he is better than gilliam after all
>>738427709He's probably going to samefag the next 10 chapters now
>>738427709Is he a Rebeccafag? Would explain it, honestly.>Oh, Rebecca is bad because she dies easily? Well I'll just intentionally throw everyone into the meat grinder because that's obviously the same thing
Despite the massacre, we only lost bench juice desu. Thankfully, the good characters were either benched or survived.
>>738427920That makes about as much sense as arguing everything is valid because it's in the game, so checks out to me.
>>738427920No, he just played like 7 chapters in the last FE6 relay and emulated a very similar posting style as this during one of them. That's my only reason for saying it, plus he's a nutter.
>>738427176I won't lie, I never got people's issues with Framme. I won't say she's a godly unit or anything, but I thought she was pretty fun to use. The power spike you get from promotion and Flashing Fist is really cool. But it also depends on how you play too, I don't use DLC or the well so the only other unit that can use Flashing Fist early in my playthroughs is Jean.
>>738428007Yeah, not the first time either.
>>738428042Framme in her base class line is kinda nothing special. Taken outside of it and promoted into Warrior or something before Solm, she's competitive with any other unit, though a giga buildlet (but fast).I mainly like using her because she's a cute lil scrimblo and not actually that bad.
>>738427957This, why are anons freaking out Marcus, Oswin and Hector carry everything until Pent shows up
>>738428178Deliberately sabotaging a run is just boring. If characters die it should be because these players are genuinely retarded instead of this forced shit
>>738428178Nobody is upset Dorcas died, but it does suck knowing some schizo is on the prowl from the literal fifth chapter of the run.
>>738427176>>738428042Diamant's dex is just a bad meme gone overboard. Framme/Clanne are fine units when trained but the game doesn't do them any favors on maddening.
>>738426596I'll say it again: skill is the meme stat, and is the only stat where you don't get any kind feedback that it's doing anything at all>Hp is obvious>Strenght increases damage>Speed allows you to double or not to double>Luck prevents the average enemies from being able to crit you>Defense reduces damage>Resistance reduces damage but magMeanwhile, you just have to believe that the skill proc will make you land an attack and that it's any significant at all.
>>738428249>retard lets the axe users on the left in>unit holding the right dies letting everyone inDorcas and Bartre were going to die no matter what in that situation
I've heard that Odin and Ophelia are the best units in Conquest but I don't see why they're better than Leo and Elise. What am I missing?
>>738428308I'll say it once again, I disagree. Its exists in the same space as luck, where its a stat where you absolutely do notice it when someone has a legitimate deficit in the stat. For example, you need legitimately godawful luck before the vast majority of enemies in any given FE map have visible crit on you.I just have a problem with people bitching about a character with average skill in the grand scheme of things just because the devs made it harder to abuse a proc skill.
>>738428439>best units in ConquestThat's a bit strong. Maybe it got corrupt in a game of internet telephone, but they have arguably the highest *potential* in Conquest, owing to their crazy stacked class set. They're not innately all the special, just really strong if you scrimblo the fuck outta them.
>>738428439>OdinTrash that gets overrated because one metafag noticed that nostanking is still viable.>OpheliaActually really fucking good, even if it's greatly in part because getting her also means getting some of the best weapons in the game.
>>738428439Odin has a big availability advantage over Leo, and both he and Ophelia have the samurai classline by default which opens up some pretty broken combos, especially for Ophelia with her more minmaxed stat profile. Leo can also get samurai from Odin friendship which is nice.
>>738428178Getting these units killed while making a sincere effort to beat the chapter? fineGetting any unit killed on purpose because you want to control which units the next players use? not fine
>>738428413letting the axe users in is such an astronmically retarded move, there's no way anyone would do this even my retarded 6 year old self wouldn't have done this
>>738428161I'm a fan of Flashing Fist mainly because the sheer stats it gives early on lets her do a ton of damage and it's not easy to replicate at that point since there's very few fist users until the Byleth ring. It's a nice way to make a glass cannon that blows things up with quads without needing to kill a ton since she can coast on staff exp.
>>738428556>Odin is le trash but Ophelia is god tierWhat is this 2016 ass opinion? People already knew about the Odin stuff way back when but the average FE fan is stupid and won't believe it unless someone puts it on video.
So uhh are we expecting Raven to get killed off unceremoniously after he is recruited or is he meta enough to live?
>>738428439They're overrated as fuck. they're fine if you plan on resetting when they inevitably miss an attack.>but heartseekerdoesn't work at 2 rangeNosferatu has shit hitrates. And Ophelia is stuck trying to oneshot everything with life and death, if she misses one attack she's probably dead, and enemies in the late game can have very high avoid or very high res.
>>738428556Odin is not good because of nosferatu, you memester.
>>738427808His words reverberate through the pile of corpses surrounding him.
>>738428730>doesn't work at 2 rangeLet's consider the 2-range weapons we're worried about, shall we?>Javelins significantly lower avoid>Hand axes significantly lower avoid and face WTD>Bows have WTDYeah nosferatu might not work against a group of ninjas, but you're allowed to use different units for different situations. Stop pretending Conquest is a game where all of these crazy enemies and weapons are randomly mixed together.
>>738428898>Yeah nosferatu might not work against a group of [the most common enemies in the game]Kek
>>738428730Buddy, how many times do we have to say this? You stop using Nosferatu by the time you would recruit Ophelia. It's not a good tome after Ch. 14. That was never the argument for either of them, it's a stopgap training solution against shitty unpromoted enemies.
>>738428898You forgot tomes
>>738428663Anything Odin can do, Ophelia can do without a shitton of preferential treatment and better. Odin's claim to fame is banging someone so that you can get Ophelia, and more importantly, the tomes on her paralogue.
>>738429043
>>738429043>Playing the chapter againEven if the other guy played like a retard (perhaps on purpose), our losses are minor. Don't split the run over something like this.
>>738428996Nosferatu is not even that great to begin with outside of specific scenarios like chapter 10 or chapter 13 to kill takumi (which is so irrelevant, takumi doesn't actually threaten you in any way and you only need to go down the left path to take out the outlaw, then you can kill takumi at your leisure after the map is basically over)And Ophelia has never been that great for me, she struggles to even oneshot endgame ninjas even with calamity gate and life and death and capped magic, she's only good at killing shitters I don't care about. I guess you have to give her every skill in the game for her to become functional. i just don't get the appeal.
>>738428971I never argued Odin was good because of nosferatu. You're putting that in my mouth. Nosferatu does open up some very powerful strategies early on, but I'd never be relying on it past idk ch 16 (since it's good against the right side of the boat).
>>738429097
>>738429147I just quoted you basically verbatim kek. I couldn't put less words in your mouth if I tried.
>>738429192
>>738429245Because you were the one who brought up Nos saying it was shit. It is not shit for reasons I've already described, though it is simultaneously not Odin's claim to fame.
>>738429296
>Not even commenting, just going through the motions with boring screenshotsThis is even worse than the original run desu
>>738429143Nosferatu is very strong in 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. Basically the entire earlygame. But people on both sides get horribly confused on the purpose and use cases of Nosferatu, and so the discussion gets muddled.While it technically can be extended into 16 and beyond for niche purposes, it's generally not a good option compared to regular bulk tanking with a strong, reliable tome like Horse Spirit or forged Fire. The problem is that it rarely 1RKOs and it can't double, so it's not healing you for as much as you would think. It's better to build guard meter faster and kill efficiently, in one round, so you're not getting cucked by debuff skills and having to spend multiple turns fighting the same enemies.
>>738429061>20/5 Odin32/13/20/20/18/20/16/15>20/5 Elise!Ophelia (the most common one)29/5/25/14/21/22/10/19relevant statsOdin has +3 HP, +6 Skl, +6 DefOphelia has +5 Mag, +3 Spd, +4 Res
>>738429349Buddy, I just quoted your own words. You need to settle down.
>>738429374ROM: https://files.catbox.moe/ey3swp.gbaSave: https://files.catbox.moe/svn7mt.sav
>>738429448im picking this
>>738429412Odin is easily the most accurate of the native mages and he wants all the damage he can get, so it would be preferable to keep a forged thunder in his inventory over fire. the game already gives you the materials to make one for free by the end of chapter 10.
>>738429515Use the Dracoshield on whoever you want, or save it, doesn't really matter to me.
>>738429412How is it good in 12? The two problem spots are the ninjas at the beginning at the ryoma squad at the end, nosferatu would get raped by ninjas. i guess you can use it against the archer reinforcements. One problem I have with it is how much it costs too, I just don't like it. Even if it was particularly good in theory I'm not spending that much on it when I'd rather spend on reclassing everyone
>>738429552I mean, if you want I guess. It's not like Thunder is really better than Fire. It's less accurate and can crit (generally undesirable) but is slightly stronger and costs more gold to forge. It's kind of a lateral movement that is often worse, but I'd say it's the 2nd best generic option.
>>738429437Yes Ophelia has dogshit bulk, don't be fooled this unit wants to do life and death vantage spam and literally nothing else. And the strat isn't as good or reliable as advertised unless you spend quite literally every single resource you have on it
>>738429437>Odin grinded out to Ophelia's level>Ophelia is already way better and still has most of the game to widen the gapKek
>>738429639>One problem I have with it is how much it costs tooIt's 4K and if you ever feel you don't need it anymore you can just sell it to get half that back. What else are you buying from the level 1 armory other than a javelin and some bronzes, anyway?
>>738429639It's good against the bowfags in 12, yes. Odin and even Nyx can fight them indefinitely, very low cost strategy.You can sell Nosferatu back once it's no longer good for half the cost. Something else to keep in mind - Nosferatu is so ridiculously good at keeping its users alive in 10-14 that you can often skip on defense and HP tonics, and obviously speed as well. So in the end you break about even.
>>738428561Can you elaborate on the broken combos? Is it just vantage + life&death with attack stance?
>>738429726>-6 def>way better
rushing to get save lyn
>>738429748you just played the last chapter faggot
>>738429640>Bronzefag againYes, we gathered last night that you love bronze +3s and have this aversion to crits but here's the thing, you can forge with one less step when using irons because they have higher base mt. accuracy is generally not that much of a problem in cq either.
>>738430006no i didnt
>>738430006Seriously, no double dipping, silent-kun.
>>738398728I CANT SEE SHIT NIGGA
why is it always FE7 that gets these schizos
>>738429786>attack stance?But yes, vantage + LaD can allow her to reach high enough levels of damage that she can one-shot enemies before they're able to attack and reach pseudo-invincibility. People take this to mean they get LaD and call it a day, but you do actually have to do a bit of math to figure out the damage thresholds for the map you're playing and probably help her out with a strong magic pairup, tonics, or maybe even grabbing skills from other classlines like trample or elbow room.
>>738429726>GrindedLmao. How bad are you playing that 20/5 is considered "grinding". Also its far easier to shore up magical offense in conquest than it is to shore up bulk.>>738429990>>738429748>>738430054Just ignore this guy.
Gooners are happier than relayfrauds
If there were any doubts whether that first attempt was a troll or not lmao>>738430054
>>738430141It took me 10 minutes to erase someone's shitpost, it was pretty fun too.
>>738430045Irons are just worse than bronzes in Fates. I don't know why you have to be so childishly petulant about this fact.bronzes>+dodge>can't crit, so build guard meter consistently>significantly more accurate>slightly lower might, but cheaper to forge and can be more or less brought up to parity with irons through conservative forgingTake your feelings out of it and accept reality.
>>738430175what
>>738430252no one is playing your save btw have fun wasting your time
>>738430045>accuracy is generally not that much of a problem in cq eitherthat's just a lie, I get dogshit fucking hitrates even using bronze +2s I can't even imagine using iron unironically, outside of daggers/bows
>>738429748>>738430307>No commentaryHmm, really makes me think
kent died to ballista
>>738430325Skill issue, you can easily get accuracy in Fates
>>738430364>kent died to ballista
he needs to solo them
i dont think lyn dies here
>>738430108Because FE7 is more punishing, so you feel it full force when something happens. Therefore, sabotage is simple and honest mistakes falsely raise alarms.
>>738430425I mean yes, it's literally a skill issue. You will see sub-90 hit rates using irons fairly often, especially at WTD. Why the fuck are you gay so for irons? 2 mt for 10 less hit is not a good trade in a game with Fates forging.
>>738430364>>738430457>>738430532No one cares nigger.
I respect the commitment to knowingly wasting his time, even if the mental illness required to spur such behavior eludes me.
still pushing on the left side towards lyn
>>738430632>especially at WTDTry avoiding WTD, as a start.
free exp
>>738430632That doesn't really get into the game handing you a ton of Iron for free.
>>738430696How about I don't, because I'm not a moron who uses bad weapons, and therefore WTD is not a big deal to me? You're telling me you use irons in the fox map?? Are you brain damaged?
need to put will in front to save lyn
>>738430216I agree, but bronzes effectively cost more (you get free irons and don't need as many resources for forging)And sol doesn't work with bronzes.
>>738430773You can keep playing badly as much as you want, it's your prerogative. Just know that your problems are self inflicted.
doubled
>>738430832Anon, a +2 bronze forge is 2k. That's it. It's so ridiculously cheap and resource efficient.I agree you shouldn't use bronzes if you're Sol tanking.
>>738430832on no not that anything but losing Sol
running away
>>738430846Well, I'm not the one living in fear of WTD because of my choices. Like damn nigger.
Post girls with hairy buttholes
lots of horses coming
>>738430940You're the one bitching about hit rates when you could easily improve them kek. No need to have a melty.
you fags are such drama queens
>>738430989Put a trip on so i can filter you.
>>738430696dumbass you definitely get 90ish hitrates with iron even with neutral weapon triangle, and avoiding WTD at all times is not possible or practical on enemy phase
>>738431010Yes, you could improve them...by using a bronze. What the hell did you have in mind exactly? Switching to a more accurate weapon is the best way to improve hit rates.
>>738431035what that isi think this is safe
>>738430216>+dodgeCrit = (Skill - 4)/2.Dodge = Luck/2.Odin's 20 luck for example is enough to fact 0 crit rates from enemies with up to 23 skill. This isn't accounting for the fact that you can also get additional dodge from supports as well.Unless you have cripplingly bad luck like Arthur, you seriously overestimate how often this actually comes into play.>GuardSpend more of your player phase actions clearing out the enemies around you. Then you wouldn't be so worried about not generating enough guard meter in time.>AccuracyI will give you this one, especially for units like Arthur, Elise and Nyx. However, do bear in mind that some pair up partners like Arthur offer an absolutely massive amounts of bonus hit to whoever's in front or in attack stance.>ForgingI'm sorry, but this is a classic case of false economy.Bronze: 500 GBronze +1: 1000G, 1 GemBronze +2: 2000G, 4 GemsBronze +3: 4000G, 11 GemsIron +0: 1000GIron +1: 2000G, 1 GemIron +2: 4000G, 4 GemsYou always have to forge one extra step with bronze to meet the iron equivalent in terms of might, so it quickly balances itself out in practice. If we pretend that the gem deficit doesn't exist anyway.How about you take your feelings out of the matter and look at things more objectively?
>>738430867I was thinking +2 iron vs +3 bronzee.g. 3 free irons, 1000g, 4 materials vs 1 free bronze, 3500g, 11 materials
finally got to heal the green horse
The only unit I really notice is susceptible to crits in Conquest is Kaze. I have watched him die to a crit more times than I'd like to admit in C17.
>>738431105I'm really tired of pretending that the monopoly money in Fates is worth anything. Gems are a nonfactor. Gold is more important and bronzes cost less to forge. It's easier to get attack power in Fates in general, accuracy is harder to come by.>Then you wouldn't be so worried about not generating enough guard meter in time.flippant, almost braindead response
>>738431114fat fuck
got a random fire tome
>>738431209Kaze is a backpack that shouldn't see combat
everyone is safe here
>>738431272Kaze is good tho. Honestly I was thinking about trying a vantage + LaD build with him since I don't see people using that reclass often.
>>738431213Take your feelings out of it and accept reality. Gems are part of the forging cost and you have to spend extra time in the arena to make those bronze +3s.
>>738431065Better yet, you could consistently have better hit rates by using the game mechanics, such as not putting yourself in wtd.
sain has to protect one side alone
>>738431357What makes him good? His shit bulk or his nonexistent strength?
he hit
>>738431376So use bronze +2s lol. It's literally good enough, you have such insane levels of attack power in the game. A bronze +2 is still better than an iron +2. 10 more hit makes a difference every moment of every turn, 2 more damage only makes a difference in very thin margins.
>>738431403I guarantee you face WTD in your runs
>>738431417His strength is good though? He's fast and strong, what's not to like?
left is safe
right i think is safe too
>>738431470I only need to make an Iron +1 and the Fates is quite generous with the amount of Irons that it hands out. +2 Mt also matters way more for a lot of characters to secure one rounds because that is frequently the bottleneck, not accuracy.
>>738431478His strength is awful? It's 14 on average at level 20. His cap is 25.
>>738431586You are such a massive idiot. Stop talking to me.
>>738431470>>738431631What's the matter anon? Did he hurt your feelings? Lmao
im going to buy javelins and hand axes
>>738431631>Someone doesn't agreeing>Seethe about itYou don't have many friends, do you?
>>738431718Some Fatesfags are such drama queens.
>doesn't agreeing
>>73843160915 at 20 actually since you'd round up. Even a strength boon Corrin would only be about 2 points up on him at that point in ninja. He can easily get more damage from Silas friendship offering elbow room and defender, and you can give him a good strength pairup like Charlotte for even more damage. When he hits his strength cap in master ninja and has already picked up shurikenfaire, you can reclass him to mechanist where his cap is 28.
>>738431771The problem is you're fuckin dumb and annoying, bud. Don't even try to have a discussion with me if at the end of it you're just going to tell me>Yeah well, I just don't need itThat wasn't the point of contention.
going to buy one more handaxe i think
Free copies>Iron LanceBennyEffieGunterIgnatiusSiegbertSophie>Bronze LanceSilasYou only need to recruit one of Ignatius, Siegbert or Sophie to get all of the materials for a free Iron Lance +2 or two Iron Lance +1s.Meanwhile, to get the equivalent Bronze Lance, you have to pay for the extra three copies.Sure its, just 1500G, but considering how much he harps about Iron forges being too expensive compared to Bronze, the come across as being cheaper overall to make from a funds standpoint.
>>738431835No in conquest it's 13.95 at level 20 on average.Assuming corrin reclasses to ninja around level 10 they'll have 17 strength.So his strength sucks. And his bulk is not even remotely good to make up for it, in fact as ninja he won't have much of an enemy phase against anything that isn't a mage
>>738432005Iron is cheaper and more MT, yeah.
>>738431872>slightly lower might, but cheaper to forge and can be more or less brought up to parity with irons through conservative forgingWhen you dropped down to bronze +2 then logically, the iron forges would also drop down to Iron +1 to maintain parity in terms of gold cost and might.
>>738431872I hit a nerve or something? Do you struggle to fit in with people irl, perhaps?
actual dogshit thread
most enemies with aggro are clear i think
>>738432164Also an Iron +2 is way better than a Bronze +2 and you're limited to +2 until Chapter 14 I think it is.
>>738432005I don't actually have a problem with the cost of irons. Irons are just not AS GOOD as bronzes, pound for pound, gold cost being a factor. 2 mt for 10 hit is a horrible trade. Yes, you can make it work, but I'm talking about the best thing, not the second best thing.One of the things that annoys me about /vfeg/ and the FE fandom in general is how extremely simple points gets bogged down in pointless minutiae. I don't count my gems, faggot - I have so many of them, and few things even worth forging. I'm telling you that a +2 bronze is good bang for buck, but you nitpick the shit out of every piece of solid advice because it doesn't appeal to your 'tism.Shit just wears on your nerves after years of it and you have no patience for it anymore.
this is all i can buy
melty lol
>>738432195I like seeing the door to iron discussion in Fates being opened, even if there's the typical sperg failing to understand that people can disagree with him.
I like how the relay devolved into one schizo playing the entire thing while the entire thread ignores him and argues about fates for the millionth time instead
>>73843206814.65 according to the calc. I also just have a good Kaze since he happened to level well for the branch of fate I use, which helps. Strength has always been a stat that feels very fungible in Fates, anyways. Damage skills and pairups tend to make these minor differences in raw stats less relevant than one might think.
At this point someone just take the next chapter and run Hector into an enemy and kill this fucking cursed run
i will be camping here until reinforcement stops
Wait am I misunderstanding how vantage works in fates?Enemy initiates a battle with Ophelia, Ophelia activates vantage, Ophelia attacks firstThen does the unit standing beside Ophelia jump in and deliver the finishing blow or not?
>>738432312at least it's not engage vs 3h
>>738432338I knew this would happen and I'm not sorry. Either ignore the faggot and take my save or let him in on every run forever.
>>738432312i didnt play another anon redid the chapter
Wyvern wife
>>738432320You can make up for bad strength to some extent. Shit defense is harder to deal with. Kaze's stats are simply so shit that I don't know what the argument is for using him - you could just pair him up with a better unit instead and make that unit a ninja. I guess technically he's in the prologue so you could get a blessed one in your branch of fate if you're lucky.
>>738432350If you have vantage then your attack stance partner will also attack before the enemy even on enemy phase in fates
>>738432223Dude, get over yourself. It is absolutely laughable that you want to project onto other people and call them autistic and all sorts of other things just because they disagree with you or highlight that you are hand-waving away certain aspects just because of personal preference.I consider the forges to be sidegrades with their own valuable niches.
>>738432312>>738432338I've warned people to not overreact to the loss of Dorcas and Bartre for that reason. Anons letting these get on their nerves opened the doors to the schizos to go wild.
had to heal marcus
>>738432473I don't care just kys fag
>>738432350You can do it that way potentially, but then the issue is the enemy can just attack the unit without vantage. Also you're worrying about 2 hits connecting rather than dumping all your resources into ensuring one hit that kills by itself.>>738432423>Kaze's stats are simply so shit that I don't know what the argument is for using himI don't know what you mean by this. His stats aside from luck (which is a meme stat) are all fine. He has like the same defense as your average reclass into ninja such as Laslow.
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>Kaze>bad Behold your average fates shittier that doesn't know how to play.
>>738432460He's a sperg who loses it like this every time someone disagrees with him in a thread btw. You might have seen him before actually, I know I have.
>>738432579>His stats aside from luck (which is a meme stat)The start of this conversation was talking about Kaze eating shit to a crit, by the way. Now it's only a few % that he will, but it's still funny.
>>738432460You are bringing up fucking Siegbert and Iggy as a sources of "free" irons in Conquest. Be real, wouldn't you find yourself if you were in my shoes?
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>>738432686Yeah that's basically never going to happen unless you're fighting with him unpaired against a kitsune or something. This is the reason everyone takes a luck bane on Corrin.
>>738432579>He has like the same defense as your average reclass into ninja such as LaslowLaslow's defense is also shit, compare him to soleil or effie or beruka
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I respect anon's spergout because it represent a level of passion rarely seen in these threads
>>738432750It shouldn't as long as you're carrying a Bronze but he does need it against some enemies. Master Ninjas too. Also, Corrin with a LUK bane has more LUK than Kaze even if you don't give them the Goddess Icon. Kaze's LUK is seriously trash.
>kaze 20/2015 defense>laslow 20/20 ninja reclass at 1220 defense
moving up
I think people are passionate enough to not need a sperg who takes internet arguments personally. We could be having this same discussion in a far more productive way if he didn't lose it whenever people disagreed with him.
Damn I though you queers hated fates (only cuckquest lol) why are you talking about it?
passing through the forest
>>738432781>Beruka>EffieWhy the fuck would I compare him to these characters? Beruka has literal shit-tier speed and doesn't have access to ninja unless she marries him. Soleil is also great but that doesn't mean Kaze isn't.>>738432859It legit does not matter in the slightest. I cannot remember the last time I've gotten anyone crit in Conquest. It doesn't happen since defense stance gives a fuck ton of avoid and enemies get no crit weapons.>>738432898Yeah that's 20/20. So for most of the game Laslow is like 1-3 points ahead. Literally a tonic difference. Did you know Laslow is also 7 points behind in speed before promotion?
>>738433025Whatever gave you that impression? We love Conquest here.
>>738432005Good point.People get too caught up in data tables. On paper I think a bronze +3 is better than an iron +2, but that's not considering the context. Now the question becomes whether the difference between iron +2 and bronze +3 is worth 3500 gold.
tanking the bolts
>>738433034It's very cool that you don't notice 1-2% chances anon but they can still hit sometimes unless you take countermeasures. You'd know if you played it the game more.
Post Camilla's huge tits and Hinoka's tiny tits in the bext thread
>>738433034>Why the fuck would I compare him to these characters?Because they have access to ninja just like he does and they're better at it?
>>738433025Don't tell the jannies this secret, but we love video games here
archer is out of ammo
>>738432005>lancescan we do real weapons next?
>>738432950It's really extremely hard to be patient with someone bringing up Ignatius's iron lance as an example of the free iron economy in Fates. I'm sorry, anon. I don't know, it shouldn't, but it just kinda enrages me on a spiritual level. I want to cause you harm.
>>738433140More like you love to bitch and fail
>>738433107No there are no 1-2% chances it's just 0. Enemies have nonexistent crit rates. If you use a bronze dagger he will never be crit, ever.>>738433124Beruka doesn't have access to ninja. Beruka is shit and if I wanted for Kaze to give someone ninja, it'd most definitely not be her.
>>738433124>they have access to ninja just like he does??? They either need to win the Kamuibowl or the Suzukaze bowl, and it's not like these two aren't without competition.
>>738433182Even discounting the 2 free ones that have your panties in a twist there's still enough for a +2 one and change.
>>738433217Oh hey it's the japanese names guy.
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>>738433209How is Beruka worse than Kaze doe? She has better stats than him in every area except speed (irrelevant for most of our purposes since kaze's speed is overkill and only matters against other master ninjas potentially)
>>738433182>I want to cause you harmI suggest seeing a therapist if someone disagreeing with you on the internet is bringing out violent impulses.
i wonnered
This guy could have been a serial killer in another life but instead he instead chose to argue with people on a basket weaving forum
>>738433341>How is Beruka worse than Kaze doe? She has better stats than him in every area except speedYou were JUST crying about Kaze's strength stat and you chose this shit wyvern with a 30% strength growth and trash speed as your superior alternative?
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>>738433349Why do you faggots idolize therapists? They're just priests of the globalhomo religion.
ok it's time to finish revelations. should I give my daughter curse or a damage boosting skill for her last slot?
>>738433450Her strength is identical to kaze's at level 20, and only 2 points behind him at 20/20. meanwhile she has 10 (TEN) fucking defense over him
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>>738433429What prevents him from doing both?
>>738433504Answer with yes or no: do you think that violence is a reasonable response to someone not agreeing with you?
>>738433584is that a euphemism of SEX ?
Kaze>kills mages>kills beasts with the hunters knifeGood enough for me.
>>738433630That's not even a hot take, everyone on the left would say yes.
>>738433648Yeah, I always find him useful.
>>738433571So you read my statement about Kaze's defense being rather normal and took that to mean you won if you found a unit with a higher defense stat yet is way worse in every other way?
>>738433691First time on 4chan?
>>738433630nobut the solution is for him to suck it up and stop being a pussy, not to get an exorcism
>>738433691But she isn't worse in every other way, she has the same strength stat and her speed being lower is irrelevant against 90% of enemies
Someone get FW early and change Glasses girl to be a ginger
Also Kaze's defense isn't "normal", it's dogshit. Among the worst in the game I'm pretty sure.
>>738433770But you already admitted she has a lower strength stat than the unit you claimed to have unusably bad strength.
>>738433759Fair enough ig, I wish psychology and mental therapy especially were not blatantly corrupt fields.
>>738433841Having bad strength is one thing, having bad strength and bulk is another. You can fix having bad strength alone, by your own admission strength is easy to fix apparently. So what's your issue with Beruka?
>>738433676The left is a cult more than ever these days, so I don't exactly see them as reasonable.
>Excelblem>Mangs>Deltre>Loosaphone>BigKlingy>GhastAny other /v/ approved FE influencers?
>>738433936Isn't Deltre dead?
>>738433880She's slow and rather weak? Not worth the work it'd take to train her as a ninja in the slightest when Kaze is good already? I mean if we're just giving her the benefit of the doubt in the 7 chapters it'd take for her to marry him starting on ch 12, how about we throw Kaze a bone and give him elbow room, defender, and str +2 or HP+5 and Sol from his own supports?
>>738433936Dondon151
>>738433936Post goose nudes
Man I missed an actual unit discussion. Anyway, Beruka is decent solely because of her personal, good class options, and solid defense growth. Opportunist can make up her low initial strength until you have the resources to throw a forged weapon on her, or you can go all in on her bad speed and let her use steel weapons. Unfortunately she's kind of shafted when it comes to A+ support options, Camilla gives mage which doesn't offer her anything, she doesn't have skill issues so heartseeker isn't valuable, bowbreaker I could maybe see an argument for but that's 4 levels as a mage with shit weapon ranks and a horrible magic stat to back her up. Lifetaker from dark knight could provide some value, but compared to sol which she can get on her own it's not nearly as good. Selena giving access to bow knight is alright if only for shurikenbreaker. Meanwhile Charlotte gives troubadour which is actually fucking useless for her. I personally always use Effie!Percy over her but if you aren't using kids she's decent, give her a knight pair up and she'll be able to tank a lot of shit.
>>738423862>>738424286>Benoit>Ryouma>>738433217>Kamuibowl>Suzukaze
>>738434008beruka already has access to str +2 to start with and gets trample from her base classand +5 hp doesn't save kaze from his shit bulk he's still worse than beruka at surviving. if you give beruka a cavalier pairup she would just outclass him in every way then
>>738434092It's not too late. In fact, I'll disagree on opportunist, since getting it to trigger is kind of a pain in the ass, with it being PP only and often requiring worse weaponry like handaxes. The Charlotte friendship is also a bit underrated, since Meido is basically akin to Ninja but trading raw stats for utility
>>738433936I don't watch "influencers".I've seen some cool LTC runs but I only like the ones that are reliable. If the player has complete control over the RNG it's a completely different game and not one that I'm interested in.
>>738434229Just say "Maid" ffsThere's no need to romanize the Japanese text
>>738434180>gets trample from her base classYeah at the end of the damn game lol>and +5 hp doesn't save kaze from his shit bulk he's still worse than beruka at survivingBeruka already has worse HP than him by default, so it certainly does help quite a bit. I really don't see why you chose this shitter to make your point. She's one of the worst characters from a pure combat perspective.
>>738434416True, but I shall not be doing that. I find Meido is more fun to say/type out.
>>738434516anonymouse youeru neederu toeru stoperu yourselferu
I always find it funny that weeaboos call her belka and anti-weeaboos call her beruka
>>738434425Beruka does have slightly worse HP than him but she also gets easy access to hp +5 so it's not that big of a gap, it's around 2 hp on average, the defense gap is much bigger and more relevant
>>738434572Her name is Velka so everyone is wrong
>>738434572I call her beluka just to piss off both
>>738434569Kek
Beluga
>>738434229+4 damage is quite a lot, it makes a hand axe only a point weaker than a steel. With her iron axe all she needs to one shot archers is a single point of strength so you can give her a tonic, a strength pair up, or you swap Camilla's steel with her iron so Camilla can double almost everything on the map and Beruka's able to hit harder. I find it to be a skill that helps her get going rather than something you rely on the whole time.
Belka balls
>>738434695I don't disagree that it's a lot, but it's more of a opportunistic (heh) bonus than a selling point, if you get what I'm saying. Handaxes in Fates are very inaccurate so you don't want to rely on them, plus they give nasty AS penalties if you can't trade it off. In other words, you can only use the handaxe when it's safe and the enemy can't fuck over your plans by having 1-2 range.
Belleka
Belkin. She's a router.
Polka
>>738434572I just think 'Belka' sounds cute. Beruka sounds very weird by comparison.
>>738435028https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14gZxbn0kM
Burqa
Beruka porn where
>>738435178why is hinoka so shit compared to camilla?
>>738435112post it in the Lyn thread
>>738435270She's the best BR royal, but she's still unfortunately a BR royal.
>>738435178Me on the right
>>738435178These ladies are married and have lesbian sex every night
>>738435335how is she better than ryoma?
>>738435178Me on the left
>>738435178Fujochan girls on the right4chan girls on the left
>>738435335Sakura is cuter! Skinship with your little sister!staff~ staff~
>>738435414>Joins late when you already have the resources to win>Is complete scumMeanwhile, best sister>Joins early and can wield the Guard Naginata to carry you through the early game where you have barely any worthwhile units>Actually cares about (you)
>>738435484Girls don't exist
>>738433182>Effie, Benny, Gunter are guaranteed>You are very likely going to be making Sophie or Siegbert in a given run>If you are absolutely fucking desperate or want to recruit literally everyone then there's IgnatiusIt sure is a good thing that he said that you only need to get one of the three to get a free Iron +2.>>738433178You get more irons than bronzes for literally every weapon type so
Ryoma is worse than xander desu he would suck in conquest he's lucky his game is easy
>>738435673Yeah.
>>738435673True, Rev proves this
20/1 MN Beruka29/16/1/26/20/15/17/1720/1 MN Kaze30/16/0/22/29/8/10/23
>>738435673They're like, functionally the same 98% of the time, when you patch up their deficiencies. Ryoma gets keked in the Eternal Stairway though, I've tried.
>>738427590>>738427542>>738427493This is why exactly why dodge tanks are a meme
>>738435808>posting the version with panties
>ThunderCamillaOdinOphelia>FireNyx
>>738435841You're just bad. Dodging should be a bonus that you have a back-up action for if it goes wrong.
you get no bronze daggers or bronze axesso if you want to do a "no mycastle" run you better save an arms scrolls for mechanist soleil or whatever
>>738435891Camilla is literally a dexlet. Elise also likes Fire.
>>738435950If they are relying on high hp to survive they are not dodge tanks
>>738435995>15 base skl>12 base luckElise is the one with no skill, anon. Camilla's fine
>>738435998If they're facing 50-60% hitrates they're not a dodge tank.
>>738436061And yet they can still die in 3 hits even with 20% dodge. Pretty much the same chance of a 1 crit if the enemy has a low chance to miss the hit
>>738435841I'm ok with dodgetanking if the enemies need to land multiple hits at 1% accuracy.
Camilla anal
>>7384362130.0005% odds of death are fine by me.
>>738436471Anon....
>>738436525Oh, Mr. fucking Perfectionist over here, won't even accept that huh?
